you get your "news" from fox, cnn, abc, nbc, and "News"papers. Ron Paul gets his news from the nsa, cia, fbi, dept. of justice, dept. of commerce, the u.s. treasury, and homeland security. Don't forget hes a congressman america, hes just here to warn us, maybe even save us
Joe Klein made this observation. He writes this. "If nothing else, a presidential campaign tests a candidate's ability to think strategically and tactically and to manage a very complex organization. We have three plausible candidates remaining - Obama, Clinton and John McCain - and Obama has proven himself the best executive by far. Both the Clinton and the McCain campaigns have gone broke at crucial moments. So much for fiscal responsibility."
incipidsigninsetup, a political campaign has to spend money to keep the candidate in the race. Maybe Obama has actually been spent too little money since it's taken so long for him to even become relevant in the race, with the result being all the mud slinging between him and Hillary that we're seeing today. That will come back and haunt him in the general election.
incipidsigninsetup Stupid canadian, campaign funds are contributed and because obama may have twice as much money doesn't mean he can count to 10 or manage a lemonade stand. I'm stilling waiting to hear what his accomplishments are, and getting elected to the senate or having a good personality, and reading what his speech writers wrote can notbe considered an accomplishment.
Kirk Watson isn't Barack Obama. Claire McCaskill listed various accomplishments of Barack Obama that were very impressive the very next day on Hardball.
Lincoln and JFK were not Obama!!! Vote with your Brain vote McCain! Not some mouth who spits! Obama came out when not his place to say he'd bomb Pakistan if there were Alquaeda forces there! How dumb is that there our Ally. Not the best of countries proven with money we give them some of it goes uncounted for. But this guy has no idea what he's doing Politics wise!
glory789, its not so much that Hillary is fucking up, its more that the American people want somebody who wll make them feel good about themselves esp. after 8 years of Dubya. Its america thinking with its butt not brain!
The problem Hillary is having is that she can't inspire the American people and after 8 years of Bush's policys Americans need inspiration.
The fact is running a campaign for the presidency is one of the biggest tests of capability that either Hillary or Obama has gone through. That's a fact. So far Hillary and McCain have looked like rookies compared to Obama.
It's not experience that counts but great judgment and sound leadership.
Look all leaders make mistakes- its only human. As far as Hillary's Iraq vote goes- it wasnt a bad judgement call as it was a calculated risk. For if Dubya actually hadnt lied and misrepresented the truth, it would have worked out very differently for America AND Obama would have been defending his "no" vote. So lets please stop with this Hillary has bad judgemnt bullcrap.
Hillary keeps touting her long experience, and record, but actually, Obama has been in elected office 3 years more than Hillary. Obama started in '97, Hillary in 2000.
Republicans Portray good values family first! Liberals say what ever floats your boat what happened to strength and Honor! Unbelievable how Brain washed obama clan is! Fucking Joke I can't listen to anymore of your one sided minds anymore! Good luck with your lives! You want to get inspired help the homeless! I do I give computers to family's that need them through a recycling program I created! A Republican going into hoods helping out Families of all ethnicity! Use your brain Vote McCain!
why dont you buy them a new one?...like the one u have...another example of the selfrighous ideology that most republicans hold...Ill give you my junk so I can say I did something good...yeah!!
Obama has not even demonstrated he can be an effective Senator and now he thinks he is qualified to be President. This man's arrogance is unprecedented. He can take his "Change" sign and shove it. Why not just vote for someone on the street corner with a "Will Work for Food" sign?
By the way not calling you an Idiot! I am Obama because I know him from Chicago and he was a shiesty or better to say sneeky attorney and very pro black. nothing wrong with that but I say that its racist. He doesn't like suits says he's changing washington. It has changed without him! what Democrats forget and don't see is he is a poor representative and promising way to much. Very unrealistic good college motivator thats about it! His wife was smacked around by him too public record!!!!!
Obama decent but no experience and has voted to raise tax on all classes. You just can't make a guy president based on I have a dream. McCain Not the average republican a good man who makes decisions based on thought and education. What has Barack done? a speech lets make a change. salesman a nice man but not to run a country. A Refreshed Republican who served his country USA. Vote with your Brain! John McCain 2008! Vote on issues not speeches! I like his words and inspiration isn't a reason!
Obama has more experience on the national level than Bill Clinton had, at least, and has been an elected official for more years than Hillary. The whole "inexperienced" thing was just Clinton's attempt at redefining him, which didn't work.
By the way, I hope you all realize that these smears Hillary has levelled against Barack in a vain attempt to block his nomination, such as the "inexperienced" thing, are going to be lingering all the way to November, like land mines left on a battlefield. That's the result of her scorched-earth negative campaigning style. Thanks, Hillary! Way to drag the party down with you.
JFK had much more experience when he became President than does Obama. He had 8 years in the Senate and 6 years in the House of Representatives. Obama has yet to finish his first term on the national level.
So what? Obama was a senator here in Illinois years before Hillary even ran for office for the first time in her life in 2000, at age 52. "National level" versus "state level" has nothing to do with it. The job's the same.
Bill Clinton had no experience at a "national level" either, for that matter.
frellthat, I'm just pointing out that JFK had plenty more experience than has Obama as this claim of the opposite comes up again and again. You can talk all day long about his time as a state senator or in city council or whatever else you can come up with to justify your position.
Thing is, were you around when JFK was vying for president? I was, and people were saying the same damn thing about him, that he was too young and inexperienced for the highest office in the land.
Barnekkid, you can say a great deal of things about anyone, but in the end you'll have to decide for yourself based on your own assessment: Is it enough that a Presidential candidate's greatest accomplishment is a not yet finished first term in the Senate?
Worse than the experience problem is the TAX PROBLEM. Obama wants to raise your taxes far in excess of what Hillary would. Your income over $100K would be taxed for Social Security. We don't have to go that far. Plus he's a real naif if let out in the world. College grads, affluent white men, students and everyone else VOTE HILLARY!
frellthat, you already pay a much higher percentage of your incomes in taxes if you're wages are high than if you're an average or low income earner. Not just "a little more", but a lot more.
frellthat, if you make 100k a year you're a very productive member of society and should not be punished for that by the government by having more money taken from you through higher tax rates. You'd still pay much more in taxes than your average Wal-Mart employee. It's all just a matter of whether or not you've bought into the socialist view of government or if you still believe that the government should be there for the people and not the other way around.
"You'd still pay much more in taxes than your average Wal-Mart employee."
That's the way it should be. If you taxed everyone equally, than poor people, who have to spend a larger percentage of their money on the necessities of life, would be hurt harder than rich people. The wealthy have to be taxed more.
And the fact that the government is there for the people, and not the other way around, is exactly why this is necessary.
False thats why some have regarded McCain as left wing! He will end up raising taxes on the rich and especially business benefiting by outsourcing ! I should know I am on his campaign. Malcolm Obama and his unpatriot wife have stated they wouldn't back other democrats. If and I say If Al Gore came in to Run he would win the election. He and McCain and others have all discussed global warming issues! In 50 yrs the ice caps maybe gone! Obama is all a microphone and will say whatever to get a vote
Wrong Obama's plan is false hope and more BS for Change McCain's is realistic go over the actual plans spec by spec. Do you believe everything you here. right now at this time McCain and others have been backing expeditions to Antarctica and other areas to look deeper into what we can do to stop procees. Obama has just told the auto industry he wil help and create more jobs for them. He is an Ass! This guy said last year he would bomb Pakistan out right! Idiot there are ally he is a mouth!
1. Obama has told the auto industry that he will help them create more jobs, but that they will have to raise their fuel efficiency standards.
2. What difference does it make if McCain sponsors trips to Antarctica? He still only calls for a 30% reduction in carbon emissions over 50 years, and that's just not enough.
3. Obama did not say he would "bomb Pakistan", he said he would CONSIDER counteterrorist operations IN Pakistan SHOULD certain situations arise.
And McCain is hitting him on this issue, but of course if you pay attention to the news, this is exactly what the CIA actually did a few weeks ago when the took out Alqaeda's # 3, which Bush called attention to. You'd think McCain would have heard about this, but perhaps he had his head so far up Mr 19%'s ass he couldn't hear anything.
do you believe everything you here. 50% never going to happen! Like i said he will say anything to get a vote! And the evidence that he abused his wife is public record! we called himout on it when he ran for Senator. He's an Ass I hate to be honest. McCain may not be a saint nor Hillary but this guy really is a poor representative for the Dem as stated by Bill! The fact is with McCain or Clinton in at least we have optimistic chances of change. The only thing Obama will do is increase taxes.
Perhaps an 80% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 is an overambitious goal, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Better to aim too high than not high enough.
McCain's call for a 30% reduction in the same time period just isn't enough. It's too little, too late to solve the problems we face. It's basically lip service.
Spending the kids' inheritance, leaving the next generation with the bill - basically the hallmark of the baby boomers.
Thats why we need McCain he understands Social security the importance. And if the illegal aliens are allowed to stay i feel they are i lost very good friends that were illegal because of the laws. Not just employees friends i miss dearly. were not saying open the border no more illegals. But the ones here to be citizens fine but pay taxes to secure all our future's. You can't put an unqualified individual in the White House PERIOD!
Its realistic! Thats what you should be voting on Reality! We will be in Iraq stationed there as there Ally! Same as we are in Japan Germany Korea Vietnam and so on! If your so democratic than vote for Hillary at least I hate to say she is qualified. has done a great job in New York and has gone to bat for her country when Bill was in office by involving herself with foreign countries and understands foreign policy! Barack is an attorney and knows how to finess a jury! HE ISN"T QUALIFIED PERIOD!
You keep going on about Barack's personal attributes when I am trying to discuss policies. McCain's aim of reducing our greenhouse gas emissions by 30% over the span of fifty years is NOT ENOUGH. More drastic measures are needed in order to confront this problem. Obama has proposed a reduction of 80% as our goal, and I find that to be much more acceptable. It's not a question of "experience" or "qualifications". What good is experience if you don't do what needs to be done?
I mean, for goodness' sake, just think about it: a 30% greenhouse gas emission over the span of fifty years? That's barely a 1% difference every year. If that's the best we can hope to do, we might as well just roll over and die.
Changing from oil to renewable energy is well within our capability both technologically and economically. There is no reason to aim so miserably low. It's time we expected more from our government. That's why I've voted for Barack.
As I said before, I'm from Illinois, and in this state, we receive 70% of our energy from nuclear fission. Less than 10% comes from oil. It's high time the rest of the country got its act together environmentally speaking. John McCain doesn't even sound like he's trying. 30% in 50 years? What a joke!
Policy, bud 30% is realistic and will happen! 50 percent won't sounds good but won't happen. Again your youth comes out and its like talking to a wall! McCain is about to crush Obama with facts of why he has no reason to run more than you or I as President! Bud we need as McCain has stated energy from water! I don't care who you vote for either! Your already sold a car salesman can see you coming amile away! Get off the BS train Obama leads.lol He is the most Liberal on the Planet! Pathetic!
Scenario 1: We try for 80%, but we only reach 40%.
Scenario 2: We try for 30%, and only reach 30%.
Which is better?
We can do a lot better than 30% over the span of FIFTY YEARS. The only reason McCain isn't calling fo rmore is because he doesn't want to lose what little support he has with his backward party. Like I said, if we can't expect any better than that from our government, we might as well just take our suicide pills now.
Its realistic! Thats what you should be voting on Reality! We will be in Iraq stationed there as there Ally! Same as we are in Japan Germany Korea Vietnam and so on! If your so democratic than vote for Hillary at least I hate to say she is qualified. has done a great job in New York and has gone to bat for her country when Bill was in office by involving herself with foreign countries and understands foreign policy! Barack is an attorney and knows how to finess a jury! HE ISN"T QUALIFIED PERIOD!
frellthat, I agree that if you earn more you should also pay more in taxes. But that doesn't mean that your _tax rate_ should go up when your earnings do.
I want government to be for the people, not a legalized way for some groups to steal money from others through taxation.
Clayton, yes, your tax rate does have to go up along with your earnings.
If everyone had to pay the same percent - let's say 5% - to taxes, then poor people would be hurt harder, because a larger percentage of their income has to go toward necessities.
A poor person might have to spend 30% of his income on food, whereas a wealthy person would only have to pay 1%. So a flat tax in which everyone pays the same percentage actually places the greatest burden upon the poor.
frellthat, so you agree that all people would then have an incentive to keep the government out of their pockets by keeping taxe rates low. That's the way it should be, instead of having a bloated government like is so evidently the case today.
Obama decent Senator however votes to raise taxes on all classes. Its too bad Obama doesn't get the experience he needs. You just can't make a guy president based on I have a dream. McCain Not the average republican a good man who makes decisions based on thought and education. What has Barack done? a speech lets make a change. salesman a nice man but not to run a country. A Refreshed Republican who served his country USA. Vote with your Brain! John McCain 2008! Vote on issues not speeches!
Ok so lets hire someone with no experience to run our Utility companies that be smart. Oh but they have no experience in these matters. Pretty much same as the ego of Obama yes he can speek and yes he can vote for higher taxes we all know this here in Chicago as he has several times with Daley raised city taxes etc. His political career has been short stemmed.. HE WAS A VERY GOOD ATTORNEY BUT HAS NEXT TO NILL POLITICAL EXPERIENCE!
All our qualified technocrats were replaced by Bush political operatives who gutted our regulatory agencies. Republicans are out to prove government is incompetent, and it will continue being incompetent as long as suckers like you fall for that pathetic excuse instead of firing those lazy bastards.
Suckers. Don't think so I am a proud catholic taking my son to church every Sunday as a single father business owner of several business , your comment is off! This is an ignorant comment again from another liberal who can dish and dish but not take! I stand behind my country and party! I support our troops and economy! Republicans nor Democrat parties are out to prove incompetence. Since Your in your own world and don't like politics which candidates are running for a political job! SHUT UP!
He doesn't have to shut up. This isn't the O'Reilly Factor.
It's true, Republican conservative ideology is that government is inherently incompetent, and they prove it with every election. Forgive me for expecting our government to actually work.
Hit a nerve with that one. Let's go for nerve number two. As an ex catholic, I can tell you that you have nothing to be proud of, all those years wasted on bullshit.
So Wolfson thinks that that the "American people" won't vote for Obama due to his "lack of experience in government"? Well this mutt doesn't speak for me. It's negative bullshit like this that turns people off. BTW -- Obama just won Wisconsin. Did Wolfson speak there too?
Actually, Obama won 70% of the independent vote in Wisconsin, as he has considerably done all along. And this is how we're going to get a Democrat in the White House in November. Nominating Hillary would only doom us to another Republican President. Why can't you see that?
Bubba, Dubya, Carter, and Raygun (to name a few), were all governors with zero national/international political experience. Eisenhower was an army general with absolutely no political experience. Tricky Dickey Nixon was an "experienced" politician. Need I say more? Wolfson needs to do his job, try to come up with some new ideas, and stop insulting the intelligence of the American voting publc.
Obama has _exceptionally_ little experience on the national/international level and none in an executive role. That's why legitimate questions about his lack of experience are being raised. It is only fair to the voters that they be made aware of this.
Sure there's a difference. Obama's spent his short career in the Little League, but now he wants to not only play with, but lead, the big boys as the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the world. Honestly, doesn't that make you stop for a moment and think about what you're advocating?
Did Bill Clinton ever have any experience outside the "little league" of state politics before he ran for President? I think you're being unfair.
Anyway, like I said before, all of her supposed experience counts for very little if she consistently makes the wrong decisions. Why didn't all of those years of experience she absorbed from Bill through osmosis tell her that the invason of Iraq was a bad idea? And why did she even vote for the recent resolution on Iran?
There's a big difference between being a state senator and having the executive responsibility of a governor.
Having executive responsibility is about making the best of whatever situation you find yourself in. You're not going to be right every time, but you had better have the experience to deal with the outcome, be it as you expected or not.
Nevertheless, Bill Clinton had no national experience when he ran, so you can't hold it against Obama.
And once again, if Hillary has absorbed all of this alleged executive experience from Bill, she should presumably be able to make good decisions, right? The whole point of experience is that it leads you to make the right decisions. So what part of her experience told her that invading Iraq was going to be a good idea?
Bottom line is that Hillary still only has seven years as an elected official. If you were voting for experience, you would have voted for Joe Biden. Arguing who is the most experienced between her and Obama is like arguing who is the richest person in the welfare line.
Considering Bill Clinton ran a "2 for 1" campaign, you could argue his eight years as president count towards her experience as an "elected official". Even if you go on that assumption, you can't argue against her experience as a foreign diplomat, a woman lawyer breaking barriers, and even a legislator and reformer in Arkansas.
"...you can't argue against her experience as a foreign diplomat..."
I'll accept that when you can tell me, what part of her alleged experience in foreign affairs convinced her that war with Iraq was going to solve our problems?
What part of her alleged experiencein economic policy convinced her that NAFTA was a good idea?
She has no such experience, but even if she did, what good is experienc when you consistently make the wrong decisions?
He'll do just fine. It's kind of silly to hear these people tell so many that Barack isn't electable when he turns out incredible crowds everywhere he speaks. He is exceptionally gifted. He was a leader at Harvard and he turned down Wall Street for the streets of Chicago. That scares the heck out of the neocons. He brings Independents and even frustrated Republicans to his side.
Can anybody reverse the mess the neocons have left us with. We need to radically change course. The dollar and our economy teeters on the edge unless there is fundamental change. If anyone can gather the powers that be together to chart a new course,well, I think Obama may have that magic.I pray he does.
Obama was first elected to public office in 1992. Hillary was first elected to public office in 2000. Obama does not have a "lack of experience". And Democratic voters really have no problem seeing through these smears.
What office did Obama get elected to in 1992? I thought his first successful election was for the state senate in 1996.
Concerning Hillary, it is true that she did not assume an elected office until 2001, but I do believe that being a very active First Lady of the U.S. (1993-2000) does count for experience on the national arena. She's been the public eye for a long time and I think the people have gotten to know her.
Obama, who had even heard of him a few years back? That should be a clue.
He was a city councilmember before he was a state senator. I know that doesn't sound like much, but it is an actual elected office. Hillary was never elected to anything in her entire life until 2000 at age 52.
What relevant experience would you say that being a member of a city council would bring to a President? How much weight do you think it should be given, considering that the office he's now trying to get elected to, the Presidency of the United States?
As I'm sure you know, Hillary has been a very active force at her husband's side throughout his career, including the time he was governor and later President. To me, that counts for a whole lot more than some city and state level offices.
I would say his experience on the local level as a community organizer and council member gives him some perspective which Hillary might lack. He was also a Constitutional law professor, which in itself, IMHO, is a better qualification for the Presidency than having been a First Lady. Wouldn't you say?
No, I wouldn't say. Being President is an executive position. It's all about building coalitions and making things happen. Not about lecturing and correcting exams.
It's not the "professor" part, but the "Constitutional" part which in my mind better prepares him for the Presidency than having been a First Lady.
Anyway, just look at Barack's record. If there is one thing that's characterized it, it's been his ability to build those coalitions you're talking about.
Grad. of Columbia University and Harvard Law School. Community organizer. Civil rights lawyer. 1997- 2004: Illinois Senate. Authored 2 books.
U.S. Senate -2004 On the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and Congressional Black Caucus.
109th Congress: Coburn-Obama Transparency Act. "Lugar Obama Act." 110th Congress: Worked with Russ Feingold to create the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act" Helped sponsor S. 453.Introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", Co-sponsored an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act. A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in 2007. Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
Newbs to politics seriously need to stop saying Bush was inexperienced in 2000. He was actually banking on his experience- and the experience of his staff [the vice president etc], as a virtue of his. Bush is not an inexperienced politician by any means. Hes just stupid.
Of course his lack of experience is a worrying thing- but its not Necessarily a bad thing. Presidents in the past had just as low experience as Obama, and while im not saying hes certain to do a good job because of that- he is not doomed to failure. Experienced presidents [our current one] did terrible jobs upon entering office. Experience does not make the candidate. Sometimes in fact, it makes them worse. The longer you are in Washington, the more corrupt you become [generally speaking.]
fuck off...these days legacy equates to experience...george bush can hardly talk...my nextdoor neighbor could do a better job than him...literally anyone would...experience or not...it's about what you do with the experience you have...barack's created a movement...actions speak louder than words and beefed-up resumes
yes, she has been a US senator for 7 years, him, for barely 3, though he had years in the Illinois senate. being First Lady does indeed count, as everyone knows, she broke a lot of barriers with that role, and the things she accomplished are quite numerous and had a profound impact.
Howard Wolfson is a member of the Glover Park Group(Look it up at CloverParkGroup dot com), which is nothing more than a political spin machine designed to smear others to get people elected. You'd have an easier time getting a crack-head to tell the truth, then hearing from him. He'd make Bambi look like a racist killer if you paid him enough...Americans are done with ass-hats like this...
Supporters of the 911 "done by terrorists" believe themselves to have bought a first class ticket on the joy joy train for an joy ride to political Valhalla. Only their their hubris is monumental. Include Hillary who would be the conductor.
Experienced in politics means cutting deals with rich people and duplicious smiles. So far Barack is the only candidate who has posed any kind of resistance to the military/polical scam that is 911. Who the hell needs experienced liars to rule over truth. Good premise Wolfson, We do not need a higher pyramid of deception. Life can go on without the rich ruling.
Experience? Such a relative term, what;s the definition? Experience inside the beltway means corruption, Hillary has been in politics her whole life and I don't trust her. Less experience in Washington = more like average American, therefore more electable.
That's a mistake. We must not make the assumption that a new candidate, just because he hasn't been "jaded" by gov't, would be better at getting things done and done the right way. I'd much prefer a candidate in the so-called beltway who actually had done things to some young pup who thinks he knows all and has a huge ego.
That is the political right getting jittery. Obama has the experience necessary to do a great job. He will surround himself with good people. His talent is obvious and he does not shrink from the good fight. Kennedy was called young and inexperienced also.
JFK had much more experience when he became President than does Obama. He had 8 years in the Senate and 6 years in the House of Representatives. Obama has yet to finish his first term on the national level.
Obama worked his way through the system in Illinois. He spent 20 years in Chicago fighting for the people. That is what people like about him. He isn't weighed down by the corrupt establishment of Washington D.C. Also, he is inately connected and concerned with the people of the world. He will make an honest effort to repair the damage the neocons have left.
Working at the state level is great if you aspire to be elected a representative at that level. It can even be a good basis for being elected into Congress, representing that state. It should not, however, be enough experience to qualify you for the most elected powerful office in the world, the Presidency of the United States.
Mr. Wolfson, I think American people are tired of same kind of ploiticians running this country for last 2 decades and need change! I think Nixon and Bush both were more experienced than Obama! so did that make them successful leaders? No matter what you tell people about Obama's experience, people are going to vote Obama and you better accept it!
Obama has 11 years experience in elected office, and over 20 years in public service. Clinton's been a US Senator for three or four years longer than him, but she's never held any other elected office, never had any executive experience and her original career was as a corporate lawyer, defending big corporations against the man in the street.
The American "Masses" will not elect him because he is not experienced NO, because in the end he is black.
and they will not elect Hilary because She is She. So believe it or not McCrazy warmonger might win.
And Plz don't get me wrong all of them is corrupt "Hilary Obama McCrazy" in the same game, and all of them is the worst options for America and The world
Andrew Jackson was considered by many in the Washington elite of his time in much the same way that Hillary's hack is talking about Obama. Looked at another way he may lack the sly cunning backfighting experience one acquires after years of being in congress. Also, he may lack the cold and ruthless art of self-enriching and self-agrandisement of those with long D.C. experience. His lack of these skills may serve him well and the country. Jackson didn't do to bad a job unless you were Indian.
I Dont like obama or hillary but Experance doesnt have an effect Bush had Experance didnt he? Hillary does and she has already screwed things up without bieng president
To be fair, Hillary's experience isn't all that incredible. She cites her time as first lady as executive experience, and i have two fundamental problems with that: 1) She won't advise the release of documents which would allow the public to know what advice she gave her husband during his term. 2) Being close to a person doesn't allow you to claim their experience as your own; my dad was a university professor who homeschooled me in his office for a year, but i don't expect tenure at Harvard.
While Obama is a good guy he is not "a JFK" as implied below. Please. JFK had been in the Congress for 14 years (of those 8 years in Senate) and he had a long political career before that. Obama's been in the Senate for two years and campaigning for President most of that time. If Obama had been governor, that would have made up for the lack of experience.
Hillary Cliton couldn't keep her husband's penis in her panties... what makes you think she can keep the American govenment's penis from going deeper in ours'?
Aside from being Billy's "second lady" for eight years, Hillary's only has been a senator 4 more years than Obama(8 years to four years). Wow, that's "so much MORE experience". With all that experience, look at their voting records. Clinton voted for the Iraq war. I don't trust someone who was asleep at the wheel during the most important decision in US history to run our country.
If you're looking for a dictator, look for someone with lots of experience ruling people. If you're looking for a GOOD American president, you should be looking for someone who knows how to let others rule themselves. "Experience" is overrated in this arena. Personally, I think everyone in this race with the exception of Ron Paul is too interested in micromanaging American's lives.
Wolfson is such a naked hack its unbelievable, and I've seen the Hillary folk on all the talking head shows: grim robots representing a grim robot. All these folks were negative and wonky while the Obama guys were actually upbeat, occasionally smiling. C'mon Wisconsin!
Bush was governor of a state system with a weak governor. Before that, he was a failed oilman and joint owner of a baseball team who put very little of his own money forward but was picked for his name. I'm not saying he's been a good leader, but he's been able to get his agenda passed and re-elected by the American people. Obama has succeeded at everything he has tried and his smart enough to be a great president. He has more than enough experience and force of personality. Vote 08AMA!
Cheney and Rumsfeld had plenty of experience. Look at the clusterfuck they led us into. No, after 8 years of these jokers, I think people crave someone with a good head on his/her shoulders-- not necessarily experience.
That was the exact same argument when Bill was running...talk about the kettle calling the pot black?
Hillary can't have it both ways, send Chelsea out to stump for her but Chelsea is off limits to the MSM.
Bill won despite his lack of experience yet when she calls Obama on it...then it's ok. They are pulling out old political tricks used 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago...they are so hard up , they reek of desperation.
His voice has the reek of dishonesty and desperation. Simply listening too him leaves me feeling like I've been frying bacon all day and I am covered in smelly oil.
Neoaesop: Finding unemployed people jobs does not count as experience. Sitting on the board of walmart and shipping jobs overseas on the other hand does.
ne0aes0p, JFK had plenty more experience when he assumed office than does Obama. JFK had served 8 years in the Senate and before that 6 years in the House of Representatives. Obama has only served 3 years in the Senate. He's not even close.
Clinton does not deny taking money from large cooperation and drug companies. By any account, she has the largest donation from drug, insurance, and other cooperation. How can you claim to battle these large cooperation if they are financing your campaign? Its not complicated, its simple logic. Care to describe whats so complicated about it?
every excuse possible for their racism. amazing.
ukentseeit 2 years ago
you get your "news" from fox, cnn, abc, nbc, and "News"papers. Ron Paul gets his news from the nsa, cia, fbi, dept. of justice, dept. of commerce, the u.s. treasury, and homeland security. Don't forget hes a congressman america, hes just here to warn us, maybe even save us
iTellYouNoLie 3 years ago
Joe Klein made this observation. He writes this. "If nothing else, a presidential campaign tests a candidate's ability to think strategically and tactically and to manage a very complex organization. We have three plausible candidates remaining - Obama, Clinton and John McCain - and Obama has proven himself the best executive by far. Both the Clinton and the McCain campaigns have gone broke at crucial moments. So much for fiscal responsibility."
incipidsigninsetup 3 years ago
incipidsigninsetup, a political campaign has to spend money to keep the candidate in the race. Maybe Obama has actually been spent too little money since it's taken so long for him to even become relevant in the race, with the result being all the mud slinging between him and Hillary that we're seeing today. That will come back and haunt him in the general election.
claytongault 3 years ago
incipidsigninsetup Stupid canadian, campaign funds are contributed and because obama may have twice as much money doesn't mean he can count to 10 or manage a lemonade stand. I'm stilling waiting to hear what his accomplishments are, and getting elected to the senate or having a good personality, and reading what his speech writers wrote can notbe considered an accomplishment.
rdjohanson 3 years ago
Abraham Lincoln and JFK were inexperience and look what happened to them. If Hillary is so experience, then why does she continue to fuck up so much?
glory789 3 years ago
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"Hardball" Way Too Hard for Obama Supporter Kirk Watson
lfplayboy 3 years ago
Kirk Watson isn't Barack Obama. Claire McCaskill listed various accomplishments of Barack Obama that were very impressive the very next day on Hardball.
glory789 3 years ago
Lincoln and JFK were not Obama!!! Vote with your Brain vote McCain! Not some mouth who spits! Obama came out when not his place to say he'd bomb Pakistan if there were Alquaeda forces there! How dumb is that there our Ally. Not the best of countries proven with money we give them some of it goes uncounted for. But this guy has no idea what he's doing Politics wise!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
glory789, its not so much that Hillary is fucking up, its more that the American people want somebody who wll make them feel good about themselves esp. after 8 years of Dubya. Its america thinking with its butt not brain!
sachusada 3 years ago 2
The problem Hillary is having is that she can't inspire the American people and after 8 years of Bush's policys Americans need inspiration.
The fact is running a campaign for the presidency is one of the biggest tests of capability that either Hillary or Obama has gone through. That's a fact. So far Hillary and McCain have looked like rookies compared to Obama.
It's not experience that counts but great judgment and sound leadership.
incipidsigninsetup 3 years ago
Look all leaders make mistakes- its only human. As far as Hillary's Iraq vote goes- it wasnt a bad judgement call as it was a calculated risk. For if Dubya actually hadnt lied and misrepresented the truth, it would have worked out very differently for America AND Obama would have been defending his "no" vote. So lets please stop with this Hillary has bad judgemnt bullcrap.
sachusada 3 years ago
Hillary keeps touting her long experience, and record, but actually, Obama has been in elected office 3 years more than Hillary. Obama started in '97, Hillary in 2000.
bitherwack 3 years ago
He was elected in 06 here in IL!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
OBAMA THE TRUTH!
Go to this video to hear about your candidate!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
Republicans Portray good values family first! Liberals say what ever floats your boat what happened to strength and Honor! Unbelievable how Brain washed obama clan is! Fucking Joke I can't listen to anymore of your one sided minds anymore! Good luck with your lives! You want to get inspired help the homeless! I do I give computers to family's that need them through a recycling program I created! A Republican going into hoods helping out Families of all ethnicity! Use your brain Vote McCain!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
why dont you buy them a new one?...like the one u have...another example of the selfrighous ideology that most republicans hold...Ill give you my junk so I can say I did something good...yeah!!
talentjwest 3 years ago
Obama has not even demonstrated he can be an effective Senator and now he thinks he is qualified to be President. This man's arrogance is unprecedented. He can take his "Change" sign and shove it. Why not just vote for someone on the street corner with a "Will Work for Food" sign?
donottake 3 years ago
Besides my comment this is about the most honest comment around! Thank you! Osama and Obamarosa
lfplayboy 3 years ago
By the way not calling you an Idiot! I am Obama because I know him from Chicago and he was a shiesty or better to say sneeky attorney and very pro black. nothing wrong with that but I say that its racist. He doesn't like suits says he's changing washington. It has changed without him! what Democrats forget and don't see is he is a poor representative and promising way to much. Very unrealistic good college motivator thats about it! His wife was smacked around by him too public record!!!!!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
And finally, Obama beats his wife? You'd better have some compelling evidence for that kind of accusation.
frellthat 3 years ago
We will bring it up again!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
Obama decent but no experience and has voted to raise tax on all classes. You just can't make a guy president based on I have a dream. McCain Not the average republican a good man who makes decisions based on thought and education. What has Barack done? a speech lets make a change. salesman a nice man but not to run a country. A Refreshed Republican who served his country USA. Vote with your Brain! John McCain 2008! Vote on issues not speeches! I like his words and inspiration isn't a reason!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
Obama has more experience on the national level than Bill Clinton had, at least, and has been an elected official for more years than Hillary. The whole "inexperienced" thing was just Clinton's attempt at redefining him, which didn't work.
frellthat 3 years ago
By the way, I hope you all realize that these smears Hillary has levelled against Barack in a vain attempt to block his nomination, such as the "inexperienced" thing, are going to be lingering all the way to November, like land mines left on a battlefield. That's the result of her scorched-earth negative campaigning style. Thanks, Hillary! Way to drag the party down with you.
frellthat 3 years ago
You could say the same thing about JFK and Nixon.
Barnekkid 3 years ago
JFK had much more experience when he became President than does Obama. He had 8 years in the Senate and 6 years in the House of Representatives. Obama has yet to finish his first term on the national level.
claytongault 3 years ago
So what? Obama was a senator here in Illinois years before Hillary even ran for office for the first time in her life in 2000, at age 52. "National level" versus "state level" has nothing to do with it. The job's the same.
Bill Clinton had no experience at a "national level" either, for that matter.
frellthat 3 years ago
frellthat, I'm just pointing out that JFK had plenty more experience than has Obama as this claim of the opposite comes up again and again. You can talk all day long about his time as a state senator or in city council or whatever else you can come up with to justify your position.
claytongault 3 years ago
Bill Clinton had EXECUTIVE experience. President is an EXECUTIVE job.
kdTV2Lvr 3 years ago
Thing is, were you around when JFK was vying for president? I was, and people were saying the same damn thing about him, that he was too young and inexperienced for the highest office in the land.
Barnekkid 3 years ago
Barnekkid, you can say a great deal of things about anyone, but in the end you'll have to decide for yourself based on your own assessment: Is it enough that a Presidential candidate's greatest accomplishment is a not yet finished first term in the Senate?
claytongault 3 years ago
JFK had 8 years in the senate. guess who else has 8 seate years...
kdTV2Lvr 3 years ago
JFK also had 6 years in the House of Reps.
claytongault 3 years ago
Worse than the experience problem is the TAX PROBLEM. Obama wants to raise your taxes far in excess of what Hillary would. Your income over $100K would be taxed for Social Security. We don't have to go that far. Plus he's a real naif if let out in the world. College grads, affluent white men, students and everyone else VOTE HILLARY!
Jerseydevil4ever 3 years ago
"Your income over $100K would be taxed for Social Security."
My income over 100k?
How many people even make 100k?
If you make 100k per year, you deserve to be taxed a little more.
frellthat 3 years ago
frellthat, you already pay a much higher percentage of your incomes in taxes if you're wages are high than if you're an average or low income earner. Not just "a little more", but a lot more.
claytongault 3 years ago
And yet despite all those taxes, you keep raking in triple-digit salaries, which means you can afford to give more than you are.
frellthat 3 years ago
frellthat, tax them 'til they bleed, huh?
FYI I don't earn anywhere near such figures. I'm just setting the record straight.
claytongault 3 years ago
"frellthat, tax them 'til they bleed, huh?"
Are you kidding?
If you're making 100 grand a year, you're not bleeding. People working at Wal-Mart are bleeding. Really, don't be so silly.
frellthat 3 years ago
frellthat, if you make 100k a year you're a very productive member of society and should not be punished for that by the government by having more money taken from you through higher tax rates. You'd still pay much more in taxes than your average Wal-Mart employee. It's all just a matter of whether or not you've bought into the socialist view of government or if you still believe that the government should be there for the people and not the other way around.
claytongault 3 years ago
"You'd still pay much more in taxes than your average Wal-Mart employee."
That's the way it should be. If you taxed everyone equally, than poor people, who have to spend a larger percentage of their money on the necessities of life, would be hurt harder than rich people. The wealthy have to be taxed more.
And the fact that the government is there for the people, and not the other way around, is exactly why this is necessary.
frellthat 3 years ago
False thats why some have regarded McCain as left wing! He will end up raising taxes on the rich and especially business benefiting by outsourcing ! I should know I am on his campaign. Malcolm Obama and his unpatriot wife have stated they wouldn't back other democrats. If and I say If Al Gore came in to Run he would win the election. He and McCain and others have all discussed global warming issues! In 50 yrs the ice caps maybe gone! Obama is all a microphone and will say whatever to get a vote
lfplayboy 3 years ago
Yes, global warming is a major issue and a major reason I'm voting for Obama.
His plan would reduce the US's carbon emissions by 80% by 2050.
McCain's is similar, but much more conservative. It would only reduce our carbon emissions by 30% in the same time period.
Neither goes far enough IMHO, but McCain's hardly even qualifies as action.
frellthat 3 years ago
Wrong Obama's plan is false hope and more BS for Change McCain's is realistic go over the actual plans spec by spec. Do you believe everything you here. right now at this time McCain and others have been backing expeditions to Antarctica and other areas to look deeper into what we can do to stop procees. Obama has just told the auto industry he wil help and create more jobs for them. He is an Ass! This guy said last year he would bomb Pakistan out right! Idiot there are ally he is a mouth!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
1. Obama has told the auto industry that he will help them create more jobs, but that they will have to raise their fuel efficiency standards.
2. What difference does it make if McCain sponsors trips to Antarctica? He still only calls for a 30% reduction in carbon emissions over 50 years, and that's just not enough.
3. Obama did not say he would "bomb Pakistan", he said he would CONSIDER counteterrorist operations IN Pakistan SHOULD certain situations arise.
frellthat 3 years ago
And McCain is hitting him on this issue, but of course if you pay attention to the news, this is exactly what the CIA actually did a few weeks ago when the took out Alqaeda's # 3, which Bush called attention to. You'd think McCain would have heard about this, but perhaps he had his head so far up Mr 19%'s ass he couldn't hear anything.
stealth63 3 years ago
do you believe everything you here. 50% never going to happen! Like i said he will say anything to get a vote! And the evidence that he abused his wife is public record! we called himout on it when he ran for Senator. He's an Ass I hate to be honest. McCain may not be a saint nor Hillary but this guy really is a poor representative for the Dem as stated by Bill! The fact is with McCain or Clinton in at least we have optimistic chances of change. The only thing Obama will do is increase taxes.
lfplayboy 3 years ago
Can you hear yourself? It'll never happen?
Perhaps an 80% reduction in carbon emissions by 2050 is an overambitious goal, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Better to aim too high than not high enough.
McCain's call for a 30% reduction in the same time period just isn't enough. It's too little, too late to solve the problems we face. It's basically lip service.
Spending the kids' inheritance, leaving the next generation with the bill - basically the hallmark of the baby boomers.
frellthat 3 years ago
Thats why we need McCain he understands Social security the importance. And if the illegal aliens are allowed to stay i feel they are i lost very good friends that were illegal because of the laws. Not just employees friends i miss dearly. were not saying open the border no more illegals. But the ones here to be citizens fine but pay taxes to secure all our future's. You can't put an unqualified individual in the White House PERIOD!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
I wasn't talking literally about money when I said "leaving the next generation with the bill". I was talking about his environmental policies.
Do you really think reducing our greenouse gas emissions by 30% over the span of 50 years is going to solve global warming?
No, it's just going to shirk the responsibility onto the next generation, mine.
I want a President who will solve problems now, not leave them for other people to solve in the future.
frellthat 3 years ago
Its realistic! Thats what you should be voting on Reality! We will be in Iraq stationed there as there Ally! Same as we are in Japan Germany Korea Vietnam and so on! If your so democratic than vote for Hillary at least I hate to say she is qualified. has done a great job in New York and has gone to bat for her country when Bill was in office by involving herself with foreign countries and understands foreign policy! Barack is an attorney and knows how to finess a jury! HE ISN"T QUALIFIED PERIOD!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
You keep going on about Barack's personal attributes when I am trying to discuss policies. McCain's aim of reducing our greenhouse gas emissions by 30% over the span of fifty years is NOT ENOUGH. More drastic measures are needed in order to confront this problem. Obama has proposed a reduction of 80% as our goal, and I find that to be much more acceptable. It's not a question of "experience" or "qualifications". What good is experience if you don't do what needs to be done?
frellthat 3 years ago
I mean, for goodness' sake, just think about it: a 30% greenhouse gas emission over the span of fifty years? That's barely a 1% difference every year. If that's the best we can hope to do, we might as well just roll over and die.
Changing from oil to renewable energy is well within our capability both technologically and economically. There is no reason to aim so miserably low. It's time we expected more from our government. That's why I've voted for Barack.
frellthat 3 years ago
As I said before, I'm from Illinois, and in this state, we receive 70% of our energy from nuclear fission. Less than 10% comes from oil. It's high time the rest of the country got its act together environmentally speaking. John McCain doesn't even sound like he's trying. 30% in 50 years? What a joke!
frellthat 3 years ago
Policy, bud 30% is realistic and will happen! 50 percent won't sounds good but won't happen. Again your youth comes out and its like talking to a wall! McCain is about to crush Obama with facts of why he has no reason to run more than you or I as President! Bud we need as McCain has stated energy from water! I don't care who you vote for either! Your already sold a car salesman can see you coming amile away! Get off the BS train Obama leads.lol He is the most Liberal on the Planet! Pathetic!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
Okay,
Scenario 1: We try for 80%, but we only reach 40%.
Scenario 2: We try for 30%, and only reach 30%.
Which is better?
We can do a lot better than 30% over the span of FIFTY YEARS. The only reason McCain isn't calling fo rmore is because he doesn't want to lose what little support he has with his backward party. Like I said, if we can't expect any better than that from our government, we might as well just take our suicide pills now.
frellthat 3 years ago
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Its realistic! Thats what you should be voting on Reality! We will be in Iraq stationed there as there Ally! Same as we are in Japan Germany Korea Vietnam and so on! If your so democratic than vote for Hillary at least I hate to say she is qualified. has done a great job in New York and has gone to bat for her country when Bill was in office by involving herself with foreign countries and understands foreign policy! Barack is an attorney and knows how to finess a jury! HE ISN"T QUALIFIED PERIOD!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
frellthat, I agree that if you earn more you should also pay more in taxes. But that doesn't mean that your _tax rate_ should go up when your earnings do.
I want government to be for the people, not a legalized way for some groups to steal money from others through taxation.
claytongault 3 years ago
Clayton, yes, your tax rate does have to go up along with your earnings.
If everyone had to pay the same percent - let's say 5% - to taxes, then poor people would be hurt harder, because a larger percentage of their income has to go toward necessities.
A poor person might have to spend 30% of his income on food, whereas a wealthy person would only have to pay 1%. So a flat tax in which everyone pays the same percentage actually places the greatest burden upon the poor.
frellthat 3 years ago
And I'd like to add that our government has realized this for a long time, which is why we have the income-based tax system in the first place.
frellthat 3 years ago
frellthat, so you agree that all people would then have an incentive to keep the government out of their pockets by keeping taxe rates low. That's the way it should be, instead of having a bloated government like is so evidently the case today.
claytongault 3 years ago
Obama decent Senator however votes to raise taxes on all classes. Its too bad Obama doesn't get the experience he needs. You just can't make a guy president based on I have a dream. McCain Not the average republican a good man who makes decisions based on thought and education. What has Barack done? a speech lets make a change. salesman a nice man but not to run a country. A Refreshed Republican who served his country USA. Vote with your Brain! John McCain 2008! Vote on issues not speeches!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
As far as I'm concerned the experienced these insiders have had crawling to the top counts against them.
j0hnwi11iams 3 years ago
Ok so lets hire someone with no experience to run our Utility companies that be smart. Oh but they have no experience in these matters. Pretty much same as the ego of Obama yes he can speek and yes he can vote for higher taxes we all know this here in Chicago as he has several times with Daley raised city taxes etc. His political career has been short stemmed.. HE WAS A VERY GOOD ATTORNEY BUT HAS NEXT TO NILL POLITICAL EXPERIENCE!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
All our qualified technocrats were replaced by Bush political operatives who gutted our regulatory agencies. Republicans are out to prove government is incompetent, and it will continue being incompetent as long as suckers like you fall for that pathetic excuse instead of firing those lazy bastards.
j0hnwi11iams 3 years ago
Suckers. Don't think so I am a proud catholic taking my son to church every Sunday as a single father business owner of several business , your comment is off! This is an ignorant comment again from another liberal who can dish and dish but not take! I stand behind my country and party! I support our troops and economy! Republicans nor Democrat parties are out to prove incompetence. Since Your in your own world and don't like politics which candidates are running for a political job! SHUT UP!
lfplayboy 3 years ago
He doesn't have to shut up. This isn't the O'Reilly Factor.
It's true, Republican conservative ideology is that government is inherently incompetent, and they prove it with every election. Forgive me for expecting our government to actually work.
frellthat 3 years ago
Hit a nerve with that one. Let's go for nerve number two. As an ex catholic, I can tell you that you have nothing to be proud of, all those years wasted on bullshit.
j0hnwi11iams 3 years ago
So Wolfson thinks that that the "American people" won't vote for Obama due to his "lack of experience in government"? Well this mutt doesn't speak for me. It's negative bullshit like this that turns people off. BTW -- Obama just won Wisconsin. Did Wolfson speak there too?
fpm229 3 years ago
No Obama spoke in Wisconsin, the sheep baaed, and the individuals voted for Hillary.
Devin1498 3 years ago
Actually, Obama won 70% of the independent vote in Wisconsin, as he has considerably done all along. And this is how we're going to get a Democrat in the White House in November. Nominating Hillary would only doom us to another Republican President. Why can't you see that?
frellthat 3 years ago
Nominating Obama will doom the country to mediocrity.
Devin1498 3 years ago
Whereas what would we get with Hillary? More lobbyists? More special interests? What does she bring to the table?
frellthat 3 years ago
Bubba, Dubya, Carter, and Raygun (to name a few), were all governors with zero national/international political experience. Eisenhower was an army general with absolutely no political experience. Tricky Dickey Nixon was an "experienced" politician. Need I say more? Wolfson needs to do his job, try to come up with some new ideas, and stop insulting the intelligence of the American voting publc.
fpm229 3 years ago
Anyone who is chicken scared of illiterate turbanhead terrorists in Pakistan is a dumbass, not Obama.
me2super 3 years ago
Anyone who is chicken scared of illiterate turbanhead terrorists in Pakistan is a dumbass, not Obama.
me2super 3 years ago
Why is Osama's lack of experience so newsworthy? Bubba was only a state governor. Hillary is only an 8 yr senator. So what's the big deal?
fpm229 3 years ago
Obama has _exceptionally_ little experience on the national/international level and none in an executive role. That's why legitimate questions about his lack of experience are being raised. It is only fair to the voters that they be made aware of this.
claytongault 3 years ago
Oh, BS. There's no difference between being an Illinois senator and being a US Senator. The job is exactly the same, only the office is different.
Besides, I'd rather have an inexperienced senator who knows invading other countries is a bad idea than an experienced senator who doesn't.
frellthat 3 years ago 2
Sure there's a difference. Obama's spent his short career in the Little League, but now he wants to not only play with, but lead, the big boys as the President of the United States, the most powerful office in the world. Honestly, doesn't that make you stop for a moment and think about what you're advocating?
claytongault 3 years ago
Did Bill Clinton ever have any experience outside the "little league" of state politics before he ran for President? I think you're being unfair.
Anyway, like I said before, all of her supposed experience counts for very little if she consistently makes the wrong decisions. Why didn't all of those years of experience she absorbed from Bill through osmosis tell her that the invason of Iraq was a bad idea? And why did she even vote for the recent resolution on Iran?
frellthat 3 years ago
There's a big difference between being a state senator and having the executive responsibility of a governor.
Having executive responsibility is about making the best of whatever situation you find yourself in. You're not going to be right every time, but you had better have the experience to deal with the outcome, be it as you expected or not.
claytongault 3 years ago
Nevertheless, Bill Clinton had no national experience when he ran, so you can't hold it against Obama.
And once again, if Hillary has absorbed all of this alleged executive experience from Bill, she should presumably be able to make good decisions, right? The whole point of experience is that it leads you to make the right decisions. So what part of her experience told her that invading Iraq was going to be a good idea?
frellthat 3 years ago
Bottom line is that Hillary still only has seven years as an elected official. If you were voting for experience, you would have voted for Joe Biden. Arguing who is the most experienced between her and Obama is like arguing who is the richest person in the welfare line.
frellthat 3 years ago
Considering Bill Clinton ran a "2 for 1" campaign, you could argue his eight years as president count towards her experience as an "elected official". Even if you go on that assumption, you can't argue against her experience as a foreign diplomat, a woman lawyer breaking barriers, and even a legislator and reformer in Arkansas.
Devin1498 3 years ago
"...you can't argue against her experience as a foreign diplomat..."
I'll accept that when you can tell me, what part of her alleged experience in foreign affairs convinced her that war with Iraq was going to solve our problems?
What part of her alleged experiencein economic policy convinced her that NAFTA was a good idea?
She has no such experience, but even if she did, what good is experienc when you consistently make the wrong decisions?
frellthat 3 years ago
He'll do just fine. It's kind of silly to hear these people tell so many that Barack isn't electable when he turns out incredible crowds everywhere he speaks. He is exceptionally gifted. He was a leader at Harvard and he turned down Wall Street for the streets of Chicago. That scares the heck out of the neocons. He brings Independents and even frustrated Republicans to his side.
SLAVEforLISA 3 years ago
he's a really really (ridiculously) good campaigner, the question is, will he also be a good leader?
danthemango 3 years ago
Can anybody reverse the mess the neocons have left us with. We need to radically change course. The dollar and our economy teeters on the edge unless there is fundamental change. If anyone can gather the powers that be together to chart a new course,well, I think Obama may have that magic.I pray he does.
SLAVEforLISA 3 years ago
Obama was first elected to public office in 1992. Hillary was first elected to public office in 2000. Obama does not have a "lack of experience". And Democratic voters really have no problem seeing through these smears.
frellthat 3 years ago
What office did Obama get elected to in 1992? I thought his first successful election was for the state senate in 1996.
Concerning Hillary, it is true that she did not assume an elected office until 2001, but I do believe that being a very active First Lady of the U.S. (1993-2000) does count for experience on the national arena. She's been the public eye for a long time and I think the people have gotten to know her.
Obama, who had even heard of him a few years back? That should be a clue.
claytongault 3 years ago
He was a city councilmember before he was a state senator. I know that doesn't sound like much, but it is an actual elected office. Hillary was never elected to anything in her entire life until 2000 at age 52.
frellthat 3 years ago
What relevant experience would you say that being a member of a city council would bring to a President? How much weight do you think it should be given, considering that the office he's now trying to get elected to, the Presidency of the United States?
As I'm sure you know, Hillary has been a very active force at her husband's side throughout his career, including the time he was governor and later President. To me, that counts for a whole lot more than some city and state level offices.
claytongault 3 years ago
I would say his experience on the local level as a community organizer and council member gives him some perspective which Hillary might lack. He was also a Constitutional law professor, which in itself, IMHO, is a better qualification for the Presidency than having been a First Lady. Wouldn't you say?
frellthat 3 years ago
No, I wouldn't say. Being President is an executive position. It's all about building coalitions and making things happen. Not about lecturing and correcting exams.
claytongault 3 years ago
It's not the "professor" part, but the "Constitutional" part which in my mind better prepares him for the Presidency than having been a First Lady.
Anyway, just look at Barack's record. If there is one thing that's characterized it, it's been his ability to build those coalitions you're talking about.
frellthat 3 years ago
And, I might add, the one thing that's most characterized Hillary's record is her INability to build coalitions.
frellthat 3 years ago
Grad. of Columbia University and Harvard Law School. Community organizer. Civil rights lawyer. 1997- 2004: Illinois Senate. Authored 2 books.
U.S. Senate -2004 On the Senate Committees for Foreign Relations; Health, Education, Labor and Pensions; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs, and Congressional Black Caucus.
dejahthoris 3 years ago
109th Congress: Coburn-Obama Transparency Act. "Lugar Obama Act." 110th Congress: Worked with Russ Feingold to create the "Honest Leadership and Open Government Act" Helped sponsor S. 453.Introduced the "Iraq War De-Escalation Act", Co-sponsored an amendment to the 2008 Defense Authorization Act. A provision from the Obama-Hagel bill was passed by Congress in 2007. Obama also sponsored a Senate amendment to the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
dejahthoris 3 years ago
Newbs to politics seriously need to stop saying Bush was inexperienced in 2000. He was actually banking on his experience- and the experience of his staff [the vice president etc], as a virtue of his. Bush is not an inexperienced politician by any means. Hes just stupid.
DazedSpy 3 years ago
Of course his lack of experience is a worrying thing- but its not Necessarily a bad thing. Presidents in the past had just as low experience as Obama, and while im not saying hes certain to do a good job because of that- he is not doomed to failure. Experienced presidents [our current one] did terrible jobs upon entering office. Experience does not make the candidate. Sometimes in fact, it makes them worse. The longer you are in Washington, the more corrupt you become [generally speaking.]
DazedSpy 3 years ago
Yeah jackass, IF OBAMA HAD ANY LESS
EXPERIENCE HE WOULD BE GEORGE W. BUSH IN
2000!!!! Why don't any of the talking headz
ever mention how little experience GWB had
when he ran in 2000?!!! Experience doesn't
make u a proven leader sorry, the historical
facts say u would be WRONG about that.
bigge525 3 years ago 2
fuck off...these days legacy equates to experience...george bush can hardly talk...my nextdoor neighbor could do a better job than him...literally anyone would...experience or not...it's about what you do with the experience you have...barack's created a movement...actions speak louder than words and beefed-up resumes
CocoaLuv22 3 years ago
barack has 11 years experience as opposed to hillary's 8. NOW WHO HAS MORE EXPERIENCE.
Being the First lady doesn't count
trublueone 3 years ago
yes, she has been a US senator for 7 years, him, for barely 3, though he had years in the Illinois senate. being First Lady does indeed count, as everyone knows, she broke a lot of barriers with that role, and the things she accomplished are quite numerous and had a profound impact.
elaayna 3 years ago 2
He seems overall to have the better advisors, at least in foreign policy.
Mooshito 3 years ago
Howard Wolfson is a member of the Glover Park Group(Look it up at CloverParkGroup dot com), which is nothing more than a political spin machine designed to smear others to get people elected. You'd have an easier time getting a crack-head to tell the truth, then hearing from him. He'd make Bambi look like a racist killer if you paid him enough...Americans are done with ass-hats like this...
Bolgernow 3 years ago
Supporters of the 911 "done by terrorists" believe themselves to have bought a first class ticket on the joy joy train for an joy ride to political Valhalla. Only their their hubris is monumental. Include Hillary who would be the conductor.
hypnofan35 3 years ago
We don't need "experience", at least not the kind that Hillary has to offer, we need change. The status quo is killing America!
neotoy 3 years ago 2
Experienced in politics means cutting deals with rich people and duplicious smiles. So far Barack is the only candidate who has posed any kind of resistance to the military/polical scam that is 911. Who the hell needs experienced liars to rule over truth. Good premise Wolfson, We do not need a higher pyramid of deception. Life can go on without the rich ruling.
hypnofan35 3 years ago 2
Experience? Such a relative term, what;s the definition? Experience inside the beltway means corruption, Hillary has been in politics her whole life and I don't trust her. Less experience in Washington = more like average American, therefore more electable.
bootpdx 3 years ago 2
That's a mistake. We must not make the assumption that a new candidate, just because he hasn't been "jaded" by gov't, would be better at getting things done and done the right way. I'd much prefer a candidate in the so-called beltway who actually had done things to some young pup who thinks he knows all and has a huge ego.
Whoo69 3 years ago
That is the political right getting jittery. Obama has the experience necessary to do a great job. He will surround himself with good people. His talent is obvious and he does not shrink from the good fight. Kennedy was called young and inexperienced also.
SLAVEforLISA 3 years ago
JFK had much more experience when he became President than does Obama. He had 8 years in the Senate and 6 years in the House of Representatives. Obama has yet to finish his first term on the national level.
claytongault 3 years ago
Obama worked his way through the system in Illinois. He spent 20 years in Chicago fighting for the people. That is what people like about him. He isn't weighed down by the corrupt establishment of Washington D.C. Also, he is inately connected and concerned with the people of the world. He will make an honest effort to repair the damage the neocons have left.
SLAVEforLISA 3 years ago
Working at the state level is great if you aspire to be elected a representative at that level. It can even be a good basis for being elected into Congress, representing that state. It should not, however, be enough experience to qualify you for the most elected powerful office in the world, the Presidency of the United States.
claytongault 3 years ago
I'll elect someone with "little experience" in things like, listening to lobbyist, taking bribes and disregarding the will of the people.
If he's inexperienced in those things, he's got my vote.
CynicalSavior 3 years ago 2
i would rather have Obama with little exsperiance than Clinton a 100 yrs of exp... .
nkfallout 3 years ago
Mr. Wolfson, I think American people are tired of same kind of ploiticians running this country for last 2 decades and need change! I think Nixon and Bush both were more experienced than Obama! so did that make them successful leaders? No matter what you tell people about Obama's experience, people are going to vote Obama and you better accept it!
aminmos 3 years ago
Obama has 11 years experience in elected office, and over 20 years in public service. Clinton's been a US Senator for three or four years longer than him, but she's never held any other elected office, never had any executive experience and her original career was as a corporate lawyer, defending big corporations against the man in the street.
zangdook 3 years ago
The American "Masses" will not elect him because he is not experienced NO, because in the end he is black.
and they will not elect Hilary because She is She. So believe it or not McCrazy warmonger might win.
And Plz don't get me wrong all of them is corrupt "Hilary Obama McCrazy" in the same game, and all of them is the worst options for America and The world
Gilliatt83 3 years ago
Andrew Jackson was considered by many in the Washington elite of his time in much the same way that Hillary's hack is talking about Obama. Looked at another way he may lack the sly cunning backfighting experience one acquires after years of being in congress. Also, he may lack the cold and ruthless art of self-enriching and self-agrandisement of those with long D.C. experience. His lack of these skills may serve him well and the country. Jackson didn't do to bad a job unless you were Indian.
agitcam 3 years ago
I Dont like obama or hillary but Experance doesnt have an effect Bush had Experance didnt he? Hillary does and she has already screwed things up without bieng president
jimmyphack 3 years ago
To be fair, Hillary's experience isn't all that incredible. She cites her time as first lady as executive experience, and i have two fundamental problems with that: 1) She won't advise the release of documents which would allow the public to know what advice she gave her husband during his term. 2) Being close to a person doesn't allow you to claim their experience as your own; my dad was a university professor who homeschooled me in his office for a year, but i don't expect tenure at Harvard.
DamNationDiplomat 3 years ago
While Obama is a good guy he is not "a JFK" as implied below. Please. JFK had been in the Congress for 14 years (of those 8 years in Senate) and he had a long political career before that. Obama's been in the Senate for two years and campaigning for President most of that time. If Obama had been governor, that would have made up for the lack of experience.
berig1 3 years ago
Well put.
claytongault 3 years ago
That guy doesnt know how to count...the American people have pretty much already chosen Obama. ROFL
theastrusmega 3 years ago 3
FYI the Democratic party is not the American people.
claytongault 3 years ago
If George W Bush, George H Bush, and Ronald Reagan can be president then anyone could be president.
MiLoMac06 3 years ago 6
Hillary Cliton couldn't keep her husband's penis in her panties... what makes you think she can keep the American govenment's penis from going deeper in ours'?
huskercane 3 years ago 3
Elect Sen. Obama.
oldbaldy129 3 years ago
"Elect Sen. Obama."
QFT
jeremebp 3 years ago 2
Experience have brought us The Golf war, 9/11, The Iraq war, a BJ on the global office, Economic problems.
Open Minded unexperienced will always win over Narrow minded war monger Experience every time.
gallomex13 3 years ago 2
Aside from being Billy's "second lady" for eight years, Hillary's only has been a senator 4 more years than Obama(8 years to four years). Wow, that's "so much MORE experience". With all that experience, look at their voting records. Clinton voted for the Iraq war. I don't trust someone who was asleep at the wheel during the most important decision in US history to run our country.
Bolgernow 3 years ago 2
If you're looking for a dictator, look for someone with lots of experience ruling people. If you're looking for a GOOD American president, you should be looking for someone who knows how to let others rule themselves. "Experience" is overrated in this arena. Personally, I think everyone in this race with the exception of Ron Paul is too interested in micromanaging American's lives.
alnewberry 3 years ago
Wolfson is such a naked hack its unbelievable, and I've seen the Hillary folk on all the talking head shows: grim robots representing a grim robot. All these folks were negative and wonky while the Obama guys were actually upbeat, occasionally smiling. C'mon Wisconsin!
moejardines 3 years ago
If they're that concerned he won't have won EIGHT IN A ROW.
Riauw 3 years ago 4
Bush was governor of a state system with a weak governor. Before that, he was a failed oilman and joint owner of a baseball team who put very little of his own money forward but was picked for his name. I'm not saying he's been a good leader, but he's been able to get his agenda passed and re-elected by the American people. Obama has succeeded at everything he has tried and his smart enough to be a great president. He has more than enough experience and force of personality. Vote 08AMA!
jimbojim68 3 years ago 3
Cheney and Rumsfeld had plenty of experience. Look at the clusterfuck they led us into. No, after 8 years of these jokers, I think people crave someone with a good head on his/her shoulders-- not necessarily experience.
bicyclethief 3 years ago 2
"clusterfuck" nice word. Im gonna steal it.
awerner2007 3 years ago
I like the fact that Obama recently completed his eighth year of representing a poor district in state government.
EricJaffa 3 years ago
i hate that she claims all this experience she was married to the the president that does not equal political experience nor does walmart
mikie1973 3 years ago 4
That was the exact same argument when Bill was running...talk about the kettle calling the pot black?
Hillary can't have it both ways, send Chelsea out to stump for her but Chelsea is off limits to the MSM.
Bill won despite his lack of experience yet when she calls Obama on it...then it's ok. They are pulling out old political tricks used 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago...they are so hard up , they reek of desperation.
winklestraat 3 years ago 5
If Clinton counts her voting for the preemptive invasion of Iraq (AUMF) as "experience", I'd rather have Obama.
DeepSouthDispatch 3 years ago 3
Don't forget she was an extremely accomplished Senator in NY
Fringe111 3 years ago
Accomplishments: creation of the Patriot Act, AUMF, Kyl-Lieberman amendment.
DeepSouthDispatch 3 years ago
There's something about Howard Wolfson I just don't like.
westphalianprinz 3 years ago 2
His voice has the reek of dishonesty and desperation. Simply listening too him leaves me feeling like I've been frying bacon all day and I am covered in smelly oil.
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago 2
yeah, the American people seem really concerned, thats why he's winning the dem. race
almightywang 3 years ago 3
Obama has been in public service for over 26 years!
ne0aes0pDltdNOTDftd 3 years ago 3
Neoaesop: Finding unemployed people jobs does not count as experience. Sitting on the board of walmart and shipping jobs overseas on the other hand does.
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago
Everyone said JFK had no experience but he turned out to be one of the greatest presidents this country had ever seen.
ne0aes0pDltdNOTDftd 3 years ago 2
What? You are not serious
ThatsmyYokoOno 3 years ago
ne0aes0p, JFK had plenty more experience when he assumed office than does Obama. JFK had served 8 years in the Senate and before that 6 years in the House of Representatives. Obama has only served 3 years in the Senate. He's not even close.
claytongault 3 years ago
Eleven years lecturing constitutional law at the University of Chicago.
Eleven years.
JoeFelice 3 years ago 3
still better than clinton, who led herself be bought off by insurance and drugcompanies
911MmRy 3 years ago 6
This comment has received too many negative votes show
it is more complicated than that and you know it. stop being reductionist and focus on reading books.
theatinga 3 years ago
Sorry, The Clintons taught 911MmRy and I to exaggerate. She was not bought, just rented out for a few key votes.
snarkwaupaca 3 years ago
It's hard not to be reductionist in <500 characters, and your "read books" snark was a snarkier snark than the drug companies snark.
JoeFelice 3 years ago
Clinton does not deny taking money from large cooperation and drug companies. By any account, she has the largest donation from drug, insurance, and other cooperation. How can you claim to battle these large cooperation if they are financing your campaign? Its not complicated, its simple logic. Care to describe whats so complicated about it?
crikeyuncle 3 years ago