Second Muller Testing unit running on a capacitor --closed loop setup.ASF

[lineuve]

Great demostration, very simple and directely.

[tectalabyss]

Hi Lidmotor.Another fine video !! I can't believe some dork gave you a thumb's down.Your video must have been beyond the crayon level they are at.

THANK YOU !!!! For sharing.Tec

[Magneticitist]

funtastic

[iracerguy]

Looking good Lid, that's encouraged me to build a cheap version. Where can i get GroundLoops diagrams, on OU.com ?

[diegra1]

Lidmotor good job!!!

Believe that performance has increased relative to the previous tests?

Cheers and good luck.

[g11690102]

you should try a cement battery as the cap.

[rogeramjet65]

Good going Lid. I think it is good that you are doing some basic research on the generator. I am confused as to why Litz wire is being used by replicators when Romerouk said that he did not use Litz wire. He used  insulated strand wire and even had a picture of the wire he was using, It was not Litz wire. Just wondering.

[Lidmotor]

@rogeramjet65 ---Thanks. Romero DID use LItz wire on his Muller. He explained that he started using it on his coils after he found out that a Bedini bifilar coil worked better using it. Other people disagree with him and claim that it is not necessary. I have some ordered and I will do my own tests.

[rogeramjet65]

@Lidmotor Ok thanks, I must have missed something. I will go look again as I thought he said he used insulated single strands of copper wire in his coils that were twisted together like a cable. He found this type of wire in the deflection coils of a old computer CRT. This is the same type of wire used in AC generators to lower the current and voltage loss. This caught my attention.

[egn83b]

What about if you take off the led will it keep running longer?

[Lidmotor]

@egn83b -----The LED work off the flyback from the drive coil. I could replace it with a regular diode and maybe save some energy. 

[G0HPV]

Hi Lid , Magnificent work . In this video ,what cores are you using , or is it air cored coils please?

[Lidmotor]

@G0HPV -----I am using air core coils right now but the design calls for ferrite cores. It is on the to do list.

[Pirate88179]

Lid:

Once again, excellent experimentation on your part. This, I believe is a great milestone being able to run on a cap while looped. These are exciting times for sure and, as always, I look forward to watching your progress. I do not have the time, money nor knowledge at this point to attempt a replication but I am following everyone's progress with great interest. Great work man.

Bill

[Lidmotor]

@Pirate88179 -----Thanks Bill. It looks like a true Romero replication will cost a few hundred dollars to build and many many hours of work. This is one of those "look before you leap" projects for me.

[conradelektro]

Very encouraging that your simple (but nevertheless ingenious) set up can be looped back. Just having it run some time on a capacitor is a great achievement.

Greetings, Conrad

[Lidmotor]

@conradelektro ---Thanks. I think that this is working because the drive coils are out of phase with the generator coils. Looping this dynamo is fun and irresistable but the focus needs to remain on efficiency.

[TedFnBuckle]

very very nice job, brilliant, has me more excited about building my own. take care

[Lidmotor]

@TedFnBuckle -----Great. Take your time and enjoy the project.

[KyleCarrington]

Lidmotor, not that this necessarily applies to what you are doing, here... but... have you ever fooled around with magnetite compositions for coil cores? I'm interested in it, in the sense that it would (seemingly) offer very customizable sizing, as opposed to trying to find the exact right ferrite core for various projects.

[Lidmotor]

@KyleCarrington ---I am going to try magnetite for a coil core. I can get it for free here. I just go down to the beach and drag a magnet through the sand.

[joewilder]

I suppose you're aware of zerofossilfuel's replica attempt. He's putting together a very carefully crafted device. 

[mnsman1]

@joewilder To me it's still unclear if zff is doing a muller or a romerouk or some combination of both with his own "improvements". This goes for all replicators. Since romero started the stir & the nay sayers say he's a fraud & let's prove it, I think "they" should be replicating him100% before concluding fraud. If "they" make any changes & it doesn't work then who's to blame? Replicate then improve is my position. This doesn't mean that I don't appreciate Lid's attempt here- it's great!

[Lidmotor]

@joewilder ---Yes I am following zerofossilfuel's work closely. There are at least half a dozen people doing full size replications right now.

[TPUBruce]

Look, I am not trying to be critical. I am just saying it is a good start but not a replication, but a "modification". And that is cool. But the comment in the video seemed very "negative" toward it "ever working". That is my point. Good luck!

[Lidmotor]

@TPUBruce ---- What I am showing in the videos is a "learning tool" not a replication or modification. I built it to test out parts and ideas on. The Romero Muller Dynamo should not work according to the "rules". I have an open mind but I DO have doubts about it "ever working". I have watched Romero's videos over and over and read his postings many times now. I really can't see how he faked it or WHY he would have spent that much time. That is why I am still envolved and have great hope.

[mrBr00k5]

Hi Lidmotor, that's a nice looking rig there. You always amaze me with your ability to build very neatly constructed mechanical devices. I decided a long time ago to only mess with solid state stuff. I'm just no good with moving parts! Anyway, keep up the good work!

[Lidmotor]

@mrBr00k5 ------I used to think that if you could do something soild state with no moving parts the efficiency would be much better because there would be no energy loss due to friction. Now I am not so sure about that. The efficiency with soild state might be better but there is definitely a higher "Fun factor" when something spins around in front of you.

[User2718218]

Lid: You probably have built one of the highest performing replications we will ever see. The reason for this is that you are cutting out the "middle man" by eliminating the DC-to-DC converter. Note that by measuring the voltage drop across the 20 F cap over say two minutes you have enough data to make a rough power consumption measurement for the device.

Unfortunately over the next two weeks we are going to see a lot of long faces and frustration.

[Lidmotor]

@User2718218 ------We ARE going to see some long faces and frustration. I see it coming. Probably most will simple say nothing.

[abramrk1]

Great work again ! I think eventually you will need to run it at a higher voltage and amperage Mk1

[overunitydotcom]

Great Progress Lidmotor !

Well, dont let you bug down from the other comments.

YOu will get there also with your small CD parts.

Just keep working on it and optimize it.

With your small size you really need to minimize your losses,

as if you build it small, every 0.5 Volts losses on the diodes counts...

Lets see, what will come up, when you have all your coils connected.

Many thanks for your hard work.

Regards, Stefan.

[Lidmotor]

@overunitydotcom ---Thanks Stefan. I am keeping up with the Romero thread at OU but it is hard. There are so many people posting now that it takes quite awhile to get through it each day.

[mnsman1]

@Lidmotor This is the point I tried to make to Stefan in a message sent to him. It would be nice if there were a replicators section only with pics, specs, sources and links to their vids. He mentioned other builders on the smartscarecrow show but the audio wasn't easy to understand and I wanted him to repeat it. No reply. I am just following- not leading like you Lid. When the true craftsman figure it out, I'll start building. Thanks for a job well done. -jr

[TPUBruce]

Have you added ferrite to the cores as RomeroUK did? Have you added magnets to the ferrite, in repulsion to the rotor magnets, as RomeroUK did? Have you TESTED your coils to make sure that each one's B field is in attraction to the rotor magnets?

You have a LONG WAY to go at even coming close to a replication, I hope you don't skip any steps...!

[Lidmotor]

@TPUBruce ----In my last video I showed the ferrite core in the bobbin and I have been doing test with them and with the bias magnet. In this video I just have air cores. Everything takes time. I guess Romero took years working on this. It was one step at a time and learning from each step how to improve the design.  I am running this now in repulsion with the air core and will switch to attraction when I get to the cored testing. Noise goes up with the cores. Not good where I live.

[User2718218]

@TPUBruce You are going to be in for a surprise. Because Lidmotor eliminated the "middle man" - the DC-to-DC converter there is a decent chance his little device will outperform any build that makes use of the DC-to-DC converter. Once all of the replications fail to self-run the next move will not be to agonize over the coil windings and the ferrite composition, etc. The next step will be to make measurements on the performance and Fausto will be posting my recommendations on OU.

[jozsab1]

@User2718218 : some say the idea of the DC2DC converter is to limit your RPM, this device is made for a specific load, if you boost your RPM too much, to much power will be wasted on friction and your cap will get depleted, your device will halt. The converter might eat up X watts, but at least it is a constant factor in the device, if your RPM tries to increase all the time cause you still have power to increase it, it will eat up the cap.

[User2718218]

@jozsab1 The allegation that the motor will speed up faster and faster and that's why Romero had to use the DC-to-DC converter is a lie. You are correct that the higher the RPMs the higher the friction. Just wait and in a few more days some replicators will be testing full-blown replications that are fit, form, and functionally equivalent to the device that Romero demonstrated in his two main videos, including the DC-to-DC converter. The only problem is that they won't work.

[jozsab1]

@User2718218 What can i say ? some people watch cartoons, other beleave that there are not yet fully understood parts in physics.

The magnets on top of the washers have almost no meaning either by the laws, the huge gap between the magnet and the coil seems to be BS also. But then again we are simply trying to replicate a device and not state weather it is BS or not.

[User2718218]

@jozsab1 The replications will prove that it's BS. The people on the forums that believe that a simple pulse motor-generator like this is "outside the bounds of conventional electromagnets" or that there are things that are not understood in physics as it relates to what's going on here are dead wrong. Most of the time they are wrong out of ignorance. When the replications fail to work in droves Plengo will post my measurement suggestions on OU and hopefully some will follow through.

[rogeramjet65]

@User2718218 Yeah, may be, but Lids having fun anyway. Lets see what happens.

[jozsab1]

@User2718218 i would say you are tommeLreed xD ( professional troll skills ).I never went to disneyland, it's probably for kids only. Not sure why you are trying to bash others fun of building generators. Seems like you are not in the right place to post constructive comments. There are many people randomly poping up with strange dynamo results that others never manage to reproduce. Dreams drive the future. Not trying = failure for sure.

[psaiipsaii]

Lidmotor, RomeroUK stressed out the importance to "tune" the unit for a specific load. Also, it looks like the unit will perform at a specific RPM for the best input. Do you plan to investigate this at one point ?

Keep it up, it's really fun to follow your progress ;) cheers

[Lidmotor]

@psaiipsaii --Thanks. This project can consume vast amounts of time and quite a few dollars so I don't know how far I will go with it. I did work with the "load" aspect of tuning today and understand what Romero meant in regards to that. 

[Lidmotor]

@psaiipsaii ---Yes. I have already been doing some load testing. When I get all the coils mounted and all the bridger rectifiers wired then I can do more.

[2TEKTRON2]

Thanks Lid, you're getting close there. Need more coils maybe?

[Lidmotor]

@2TEKTRON2 ------Yes! More coils !!!! More coils Scotty !!! "But captain the rotor can't take much more!"

[bsibille]

great work Lid and thanks for sharing!

[Lidmotor]

@bsibille -----Thanks. You are welcome.