i believe God sent the tornado, it's too much of a coincidence that it went straight to the Lutheran church exactly at 2pm when the gay meeting started. the tornado could of travelled anywhere.
I guess God must favor we Episcopalians over Lutherans. We went further than they did, even electing a a gay bishop. But we were rewarded with pleasant weather and good traveling conditions after the convention. God sure is one inconsistent fellow.
FOOLS rush in.. ELCA is on a fast track to the land of Politically correct and lobbyists ... so where is the separation between Church and state again??? Give to Cesar what is Cesars, and give to GOD what is GOD"S Do not under estimate the Lord
Sounds to me like there are some superstitious homosexuals out there, that believe that the prophecies of God will not be fulfilled. Time will show that they will. And, come judgment day, your so-called 'superstitions' will be confirmed to be true. The destruction of Sodom and Gomhorra was probably rumored, by gay zealots, to be a superstition in their time. Guess not!! Gays shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Ever.
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."
But it is. It shows God's view on homosexuality, and not just homosexuality exclusively, but sin in general. Plus, quoting Scripture has got to have substance. :)
@JosiahCha Yeah, its gay substance. Which is of little substance. Just keep telling yourselves what you want to hear, then, for you, it will eventually become the truth. No, don't worry about the truth, just what you want the truth to be. If if brings you so much peace, I wonder why gays just can't leave it alone.
"Why does god hit churches with tornadoes?" Because god/Jesus is a substitute for a persons accountability and has nothing to do with the worldly/universal events around them. To even ask the question means they have been brainwashed by some mystical card-counting magician. As for ignorance... thefreedictionary . com: ignorance: lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of BEING ignorant. And now: God - the supernatural BEING. - Similar? Spirituality - Just keep it to yourself...
I was driving in Minneapolis during this tornado. I had WCCO on the radio and they kept saying over and over that they could not explain why there was a tornado and that it went against everything they knew about meteorology.
@MrsSarb I don't believe that for a second. A tornado in the American Midwest on an August afternoon going "against everything they knew about meteorology" is like saying a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico during hurricane season defies everything we know about meteorology.
@ProfMTH I'm telling you the truth. You can check the news reports from that day. This tornado came out of nowhere. It was a cool day around 60 degrees. There was NO warning. They did not see it on the dopplar radar. As they were reporting it on the radio, the weatherman was saying that he could not explain why it was happening.
@MrsSarb "You can check the news reports from that day."
I did when I made the video. Do you have any news reports that you'd like to show me that support your claim that this tornado "went against everything they knew about meterology"? If so, please do share them.
@ProfMTH As I stated earlier, they were saying it on WCCO radio during the actual tornado. I do not have a recording of it because it was on the radio but I'm sure that if you contacted the station, you could maybe get the recordings.
@ProfMTH Wow, you went to the same website i did to prove you that your wrong! In a differant artical it reads "In the midst of the tropical monsoon like rains, an odd tornadic event for Minnesota happened. Embedded within the heavy rain showers small areas of rotation developed in the clouds and several tornadoes were spawned." They really couldnt explain it, maybe do a little more reserch, proud to be Missouri Synod btw.
Martin Luther's prejudice against Jewish people was pretty much as prominent as that Falwell's homophobia. I wonder if Luther reincarnated as Falwell 500 years later.
My Dad is an air traffic controller, he actually spoke with that awful person over the radio. He says he felt very dirty because of it.
Here in Norway (one of the most secular nations in the world), we just happen to have neither tornadoes or eathquakes to any appreciable degree. I guess this just means god loves us the most and everyone else should be like us... right? =P
@Watchman2012 LOL! Indeed. Even just one e-mail or a Facebook "poke" would convey WAY more than a tornado in the Midwest on a summer afternoon ever could.
Jerry Falwell was just an ignorant, filthy dog. The so-called "Pagans" were here long before christians arrived, since the Native Americans were Pagan.
@IheartChiroptera well, there arent any stars anymore, its all thumbs now...and here I am with no way to share videos with friends on youtube anymore... :(
A miracle, as I understand it, is an impossible event brought about by supernatural means. This tornado was not an impossible occurrance. It was unusual given the conditions, but unusual weather events happen about as often as one expects them to. There is a perfectly naturalistic explanation for the tornado, so we can exclude supernatural causes. Therefore we can say the tornado was not "miraculous".
It's funny how colloquially, people are happy to laugh in disdain for the weather forcaster, and subscribe to the conventional wisdom that their predictions aren't worth anything. But, when a tornado that was not predicted to occur happens, the superstitious are now suddenly very interested in the predictions of these normally distrusted meteorologists and ready to point to them as evidence for their claim.
Of course this does not discount the possibility that a supernatural being had some influence on it, but this whole argument is based on the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Correlation does not imply causation. For someone to accept that the christian god had a causal relationship with this tornado, you must first demonstrate the existence of god, and then find corroborating evidence that he was involved in this event.
The "miraculous" claim was actually because the weather conditions on that day were not what most meteorologists would expect to form tornadoes (it was cool, not humid, and had no frontal boundaries). Also, the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro doesn't have many tornadoes hit it--most are in rural areas.
Of course that proves no such "divine intervention," but I was unsurprised when I heard people stupidly arguing that it was.
One point this video should make is that on the same day that this tornado struck, several other tornadoes hit in the far eastern suburbs of Minneapolis-St. Paul.
I know, but that was regarding other states. I'm just saying that there were tornadoes within the same general area of the same state, which makes a case for a "divine cause" that much weaker.
I'm a bit of an expert on weather phenomenon (I'm a military weather officer (not in active duty)) and these claims are just ridiculous to me. If I had the will, I could probably find many interesting weather phenomenon coinciding with some event in the news. Claiming that tornado coinciding with a church meeting is a cause and effect. Besides that baffling meteorologists is easy, weather is one of the most studied, but hardest to understand field of science. It's balls-to-the-walls hard.
I appreciate your bringing your expertise to this discussion, Sinitassu. As no doubt you will have surmised from the video (and have a look at the comments section -- OOFA!), some religious believers just can't deal with a world in which weather events are not magical.
Hearing things like this makes me glad that I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran. Suprisingly I do agree that Homosexuals are born that way. Because I see that as a sin. And we are all born into sin. And Homosexuality is a sin.
"Insufficiently anti-gay"? I don't consider myself to be anti-gay, though you would. It's a matter of distinguishing the person from the act. As the Bible would say, loving the sinner yet hating the sin. If you take the Bible as the ultimate authority, you cannot condone homosexual behaviour, just as you cannot condone murder, etc.
And just because tornadoes are likely to happen in Minnesota, doesn't mean that God didn't use one. This way you can still have your blinders on.
I am a member of a Lutheran Church "previously" associated with the ELCA . There has been great dissatisfaction with the ELCA by it's member congregations who are fed up with the ELCA leaders who are so out of touch with their members and are deviating from the true Word of God. For that reason a great many Lutheran churches are leaving the ECLA and affliliating themselves with the Lutheran Churches in Mission for Christ (LCMC) as we have done.
I was actually caught inside this tornado (it hit my workplace, which is about a mile from where the ELCA was holding their meeting in DT Mpls.). Did it scare me? Nope, the tornado was pretty and very breathtaking to behold. I've always wanted to be inside a tornado, and used to pray to God that I'd see one up close.
I think their God granted this atheist's wish in celebration of the ELCA decision. Way to go, Sky Daddy and thank you!
Mr ProfMTH:Perhaps GOD should apologize for not checking with YOU on what would be a more clear sign to express anger at the 66.6% (more superstition perhaps?) of the ELCA voters. Obviously this BULLSEYE tornado is not up to your high standards. One more thing...for those of us who BELIEVE IN GOD, please have more respect. Just because you do not understand GOD or your obsessive-self-sufficient ego blinds your soul, does not mean we are all stupid to prefer GOD over you.
Maybe a tsunami or an earthquake or a searing light from the heavens would be the right punishment for Finland 'cos:
1. Women can be priests and we came close to having a woman bishop
2. We have an openly gay bishop
3. We have a priest who is openly gay and transgender!
4. We probably have several gay priests *gasp*
So the appropriate punishment from god was... We had snow crystals last year! It's one of the rarer meteorological phenomenon and it came from a clear sky! Godproval?
By the way, I do have meteorological training as Im a pilot and the lifted K index that day for the MSP area was low. Look that one up!
Like most liberals you take a little truth and sprinkle it on your bullshit agenda. Im not saying God sent that tornado, but I wouldnt say He didnt.
There is one thing I do know. God was certainly not happy about the vote. You are placing people in mortal sin who think they can live in impenitent sin. You are going to love them straight to hell!
I guess you are a meteorologist? There was no significant lifting mechanism for that tornado that day, no shear in the upper atmosphere, and the meteorologists werent forecasting storms. The storms to the South WERE a forecasted possibility.
But, lets take the tornado issue off the table. The ELCA is apostate! You guys dont follow the scriptures so Satan is running the helm. Im LCMS and find your last point a cheap shot that is not factually correct. Use all the books you want to!
No. One need not be to read and understand the stats regarding tornadoes in summer in the American Midwest.
"The ELCA is apostate!"
That's your religious view. I don't really care about that. What I care about is the moronic claim that because the ELCA was insuffiently homophobic, the Christian god sent a tornado to their meeting site.
"I'm LCMS and find you last point a cheap shot...."
If you are Lutheran than you might want to actually find out what scriptures and maybe Luther too had to say on the issue. Homosexuality is a clear sin. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But guess what, we're all sinners. The difference is whether one repents of their sins. Without repentance there is no forgiveness, without forgiveness there is no justification before God and you know where that leads. Blessing sin is about the most foolish thing a Christian can do!
Again, if you had any meteorological training you might know that the circumstances of that tornado event were very far from normal. This was not a textbook example of a forecasted tornadic event, but somethings it happens. However, for you to use climate data to support these events happening all the time is just crap. When meteorologists forecast they look at overall weather patterns and q and k equations, not historical weather data.
OK THIS IS SIMPLE,, GOD SEND THAT TORNADO,, AND THE ANTIGOD PEOPLE GOING TO SAY,,,,, HEY THAT IS A MOTHER FUCKER STRAIGT TORNADO............ lol my english is very bad XD
see and this is why god will not send us a truely great sign lol... people like you are simply ignoring signs like this and if god did send down a truely amazing sign most people would go crazy and see it as the end of the world... lol
i believe you should go watch some other videos about it from other people then i guess... because apperantly everyone that lived there didnt see it coming lol...
ya true that it is in tornado alley and etc but to be even baffling to weather experts who spend all day just watching this stuff... lol you dont see that every day... and most of all right after they allow gay marriage... this is pretty amazing
i saw the remarkable "mircale tornado video". people like me think: what? - and go back to sleep. but i'm happy that there are people out there who take the time and let the light shine bright on bullsh** like this!
"...even bottom-feeding insurance policies term it an 'Act of God'."
Which is a term of art. You have no idea what you're talking about.
"they are upset that the ELCA is (somehow) usurping the authority to determine what sin can be sanctified."
Christians have been deciding what is and isn't "sin" since the start of the religion. In any case, objecting to the ELCA's action is different in kind from asserting that a tornado was miraculously targeted at the ELCA by the Christian god.
Mostly4moderate, once you get over your apparent compulsion to rant, perhaps you can explain to me in rational terms what is "miraculous" about a tornado striking in the afternoon in the American Midwest during the summer. It's a bit like saying snow during the winter in Buffalo, New York is miraculous.
True, but you fail to provide information on the purpose of such. Yes, we know how they are formed, we know they can occur, but we also have weather forecasts and technology to see this. However, you call the superstitious crazy but keep in mind that although we may know how things work, we do not know WHY they work that way. So for this understanding, it is up in the air at anyone's guess. I say this, to not rule out that religious belief cannot be denied either or chastised in such manner
If you say so. However a more inquiring mind would through in other speculations, so you can see why it is possible for others to have different thoughts. Have you not ever experienced a Miracle? Something that settling for "Coincidence" could not satisfy?
I am not saying that Logos was right, just so we are clear on that. However, you are now throwing science behind it. Science is only the series of events without explanation of truthful purpose, which is why we turn to religion accepting such beliefs. You can call me brainwashed all you like, however I did not seek out this way of thinking. It was always here and I discovered it. Much like discovery of atoms, oxygen, micro-organisms, etc...
I don't much care whether you agree with Logos, though it's nice to hear that you do not. I don't care whether you're brainwashed (and I have no idea whether you are or what that really means). All I care about in this exchange is the FACT that there is no intentionality behind weather. That is beyond rational debate and so this will be my last comment on it. Thanks.
I find it confusing that you included examples of people associating natural disasters as proof of god's punishments, and then combat only the tornade event in Minnesota. Why even include that in the first place into the video?
Well your video responds primarily on the events that happened in Minnesota right? Why then would you even include OTHER people associating other disasters, but not answer all of the examples? What use is it to have them in your video?
1525 tornados since 1950. The message with this one was clear. Wish we knew what the other 1524 messages were. Perhaps you snickering ELCA folks should get busy nailing your crosses down more securely. How embarassing to have one blown of your steeple like that.
Thank you for including "A Mighty Fortress" in the beginning of this video!! I thought it was hilarious, seeing as it's one of the most traditional Lutheran hymns we have. Oh, yes, "we" because I happen to be ELCA Lutheran, so also, thank you for this video. I've watched a few scary videos about the tornado and how I now need to repent. I also laugh at them.
;-) Thanks a lot. Yes, "A Mighty Fortress" seemed appropriate for a number of reasons, primary among them that this was about Lutherans. While I've never been a Lutheran, I've had many Lutheran friends and probably like a lot of people who grew up in 70s and early 80s, I watched "Davey and Goliath" on TV and heard "A Mighty Fortress" every episode.
the tornado on Wednesday came after the ELCA typical Lutheran ambiguous vote.. the other vote, the bigger one, came Friday as that's when they voted to allow gay folk in a monogamous, committed relationships to be rostered clergy, etc. I think there was probably a miraculous rainbow somewhere on Friday.. :-)
I've noticed lately that religious people are more likely to deny global warming as man-made. They want to believe it's God's punishment.
As I started to write this comment it started to rain and I was planning to go out soon, does it mean God is punishing me & my whole town for this comment? But it was also raining two days ago when I wanted to go out and I didn't do anything wrong then, so I guess somebody else in my town had to offend God with something. LOL
Growing up i always thought all christians were bad because they condemned gays/lesbians... Then i realized muslims condemn women showing too much skin and they also for the most part condemn gays/lesbians etc... Ive realized these religions and the people whom identify as them are not bad, Just the radicals who choose to interpreut the religion that way... GOD=LOVE-So spread it
OMG............ACLU, and abortionists, and gays.... all caused 9/11? Why would anyone take that type of talk as credible? I wonder if many of these gullible folks who follow this train of "thinking" about miracles will bother to watch your well researched reply.
Relig-gi-idiots. So smug and self righteous. Probably watch Fox news and rarely think critically for yourselves. It's much easier to have Rush and Hannity tell you what you think!
I often get a chuckle when I listen to religionists try to use natural events to prop up their very unnatural beliefs.
ProfMTH, you wrote: "LogosApologia has yet to approve my video response. Perhaps the facts and statistics set forth in it are just too much for him to deal with."
I think I'll let Archie Bunker respond to that: "It's faith!—don't you know what that means?!? 'Faith' is something that you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe in..."
Yeah, because things like that never used to happen. Natural disasters? Totally a recent phenomenon. As is the tendency of scared, sexually repressed people to see the wrath of god in everything.
You don't have to be included officially in Tornado Alley to get tornadoes, and not, it makes not difference the timing of the tornado or the fact that a cross was knocked down. This stuff happens all the time and it's only when it involves something you're interested in that you notice. The church got hit by a tornado, and a thing stuck to the top got knocked off. At least the roof didn't get blown off. Pretty lucky actually.
"Actually Tornado Alley does not include Minneapolis...."
Oh, good grief! It's at the northern edge as I said in the video. Really, Maverick, you're sounding awfully silly here. In any case, we get it: you insist the tornado was a message from your god. You don't seem willing to work through the negative implications of mythologizing weather events, natural disasters, and the like. Rather, you merely want to declare *this* tornado a divine message. Well, you've done that. It's enough.
Tornadoes usually do some damage when they strike. To mythologize them both does too much (it multiplies entities beyond necessity) and too little (what of the other tornadoes that day which struck and damaged school buildings? Was the Christian god sending a message of displeasure about curriculum or something?). One wonders where attributing divine message-sending to this sort of thing ends. I fear the most likely terminus is profound superstition.
"The type of damage and timing equates to it being more probable that this was from God than a school where the timing and damage didn't mean anything in the Christian beliefs."
How could you know this? Do you know what was going on or being planned in the tornado-damaged school buildings? Or is a tornado sent from the Christian god only in response to a body of believers deciding to be less anti-gay than they had been in the past?
If yes, then the church building of the last parish I was a member of prior to my transition away from religious belief should have been flattened by *several* tornadoes.
I'm so glad to find a fellow believer. There's sin all over the place, what with the baby nazi massacre and the violent homosexual invasion. Maybe if we let the babies live, the sexual deviants of opposite gender could just have their way with them. The babies would get to live, it would be heterosexual, god would be satisfied, and it would be socially repugnant enough to appease the evil devil spawned gays. If only people realized that pedophilia is able to avert all natural disasters.
The type of idea I had and timing equates to it being more probable that the idea was from god. You seem somewhat close minded to an idea that could save the millions and millions of people who die from natural disasters. If you were a little more open minded, you would see that the only way we can be sure to never again have a natural disaster is to make gay people have sex with the babies that would have been aborted. Perhaps you should accept god and then maybe he will help you see.
And by you saying you have the right to pass judgement on others you are thereby breaking one of the main laws set out by your religion and that is 'it is gods place and his only to pass judgement'
And what if we do not believe in god? Heres what i have to say and i'm certain it will cause people to attack me. Afterall people tend to not handle anything 'different' all that well.
Heres a shocker the bible, the real one not the king james one. Does not say a thing about gay people being evil. It simply states that all will face judgement. What does this mean? Humm? To those of you pointing fingers?
Heres what it is. Things happen everyday. Not to be a pessimist here but
i believe God sent the tornado, it's too much of a coincidence that it went straight to the Lutheran church exactly at 2pm when the gay meeting started. the tornado could of travelled anywhere.
Swackers90 1 month ago
@Swackers90 "it's too much of a coincidence"
LOL! OK.
ProfMTH 3 weeks ago
I guess God must favor we Episcopalians over Lutherans. We went further than they did, even electing a a gay bishop. But we were rewarded with pleasant weather and good traveling conditions after the convention. God sure is one inconsistent fellow.
docslarn 5 months ago
@docslarn "God sure is one inconsistent fellow."
Totally. One might say a bit of a mystery. ;-)
ProfMTH 5 months ago
I love how christians condemn gays with leviticus, but forget the numerous other abominations listed all over the old testament.
smurfboywv 6 months ago
FOOLS rush in.. ELCA is on a fast track to the land of Politically correct and lobbyists ... so where is the separation between Church and state again??? Give to Cesar what is Cesars, and give to GOD what is GOD"S Do not under estimate the Lord
heartofmelody18 8 months ago
@heartofmelody18 Do you believe Yahweh sent a tornado to the ELCA's meeting?
ProfMTH 8 months ago
Sounds to me like there are some superstitious homosexuals out there, that believe that the prophecies of God will not be fulfilled. Time will show that they will. And, come judgment day, your so-called 'superstitions' will be confirmed to be true. The destruction of Sodom and Gomhorra was probably rumored, by gay zealots, to be a superstition in their time. Guess not!! Gays shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Ever.
GaboonViper67 9 months ago
9/11 was an inside job! thank you very much!!!
LeftWingPOG 11 months ago
Wow, I never thought I'd be slightly proud to have been baptized ELCA Lutheran instead of something else even more ridiculous.
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vikumsagara 1 year ago
The LCMS is as backwards as the Southern Baptist Convention and Mormonism and Scientology.
jajohnson7809 1 year ago
@jajohnson7809 I think maybe a bit more.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@jajohnson7809 Umm....no, but thanks for playing.
Paleolutheran 1 year ago
The Fred Phelps guide to apologetics:
1. Make your assertions
2. Wait for someone to disagree
3. Wait for that person to die or something bad to happen to them
4. Claim that God did it because that person was wrong
vgfmak 1 year ago
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God."
SSBB999 1 year ago
@SSBB999 Do you have anything of substance to say or did you drop by merely to spam my channel with quotations from your holy book?
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH That is substance right there buddy
JosiahCha 1 year ago
@JosiahCha "That is substance right there buddy"
Actually, substance would be something relevant to what is said in the video.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH
But it is. It shows God's view on homosexuality, and not just homosexuality exclusively, but sin in general. Plus, quoting Scripture has got to have substance. :)
JosiahCha 1 year ago
@JosiahCha "But it is. It shows God's view on homosexuality, and not just homosexuality exclusively, but sin in general."
The video was about how preposterous it is to call a tornado in the American Midwest on a late summer afternoon unusual--even worse "miraculous."
"...quoting Scripture has got to have substance. :)"
Whatever gets you through the night. :-)
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@JosiahCha Yeah, its gay substance. Which is of little substance. Just keep telling yourselves what you want to hear, then, for you, it will eventually become the truth. No, don't worry about the truth, just what you want the truth to be. If if brings you so much peace, I wonder why gays just can't leave it alone.
GaboonViper67 9 months ago
Psalm 148:8
"lightning and hail, snow and fog, strong winds that obey his commands,"
Matthew 8:27
The men were amazed and asked, "What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!"
SSBB999 1 year ago
@SSBB999 Amen!
JosiahCha 1 year ago
If God had turned all of Minnesota's 10,000 lakes to blood, then I think Logos would've been onto something.
Heck, just one of them somewhere in the vicinity could be a sign.
wilfredthebold 1 year ago
@wilfredthebold There ya go!
ProfMTH 1 year ago
"Why does god hit churches with tornadoes?" Because god/Jesus is a substitute for a persons accountability and has nothing to do with the worldly/universal events around them. To even ask the question means they have been brainwashed by some mystical card-counting magician. As for ignorance... thefreedictionary . com: ignorance: lack of knowledge, information, or education; the state of BEING ignorant. And now: God - the supernatural BEING. - Similar? Spirituality - Just keep it to yourself...
Zeusest 1 year ago
Fornicators, Tornadoes And Murderers .... Oh Why!
BesTiTemsCOmpanY 1 year ago
I was driving in Minneapolis during this tornado. I had WCCO on the radio and they kept saying over and over that they could not explain why there was a tornado and that it went against everything they knew about meteorology.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@MrsSarb I don't believe that for a second. A tornado in the American Midwest on an August afternoon going "against everything they knew about meteorology" is like saying a hurricane in the Gulf of Mexico during hurricane season defies everything we know about meteorology.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I'm telling you the truth. You can check the news reports from that day. This tornado came out of nowhere. It was a cool day around 60 degrees. There was NO warning. They did not see it on the dopplar radar. As they were reporting it on the radio, the weatherman was saying that he could not explain why it was happening.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@ProfMTH I live here. I saw it. I know the truth.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@MrsSarb "You can check the news reports from that day."
I did when I made the video. Do you have any news reports that you'd like to show me that support your claim that this tornado "went against everything they knew about meterology"? If so, please do share them.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@ProfMTH As I stated earlier, they were saying it on WCCO radio during the actual tornado. I do not have a recording of it because it was on the radio but I'm sure that if you contacted the station, you could maybe get the recordings.
MrsSarb 1 year ago
@ProfMTH Wow, you went to the same website i did to prove you that your wrong! In a differant artical it reads "In the midst of the tropical monsoon like rains, an odd tornadic event for Minnesota happened. Embedded within the heavy rain showers small areas of rotation developed in the clouds and several tornadoes were spawned." They really couldnt explain it, maybe do a little more reserch, proud to be Missouri Synod btw.
armyboy1207 1 year ago
@armyboy1207 What are you talking about?
"They really couldn't explain it...."
Yeah, a tornado in the American Midwest on a summer afternoon is just beyond explanation. Only someone in the Missouri Synod could believe that.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Martin Luther's prejudice against Jewish people was pretty much as prominent as that Falwell's homophobia. I wonder if Luther reincarnated as Falwell 500 years later.
My Dad is an air traffic controller, he actually spoke with that awful person over the radio. He says he felt very dirty because of it.
grungefreak10 1 year ago
Here in Norway (one of the most secular nations in the world), we just happen to have neither tornadoes or eathquakes to any appreciable degree. I guess this just means god loves us the most and everyone else should be like us... right? =P
TheStigma 1 year ago
It would be so much easier to know what God wants if he would just use Twitter or Facebook like everybody else.
Watchman2012 1 year ago
@Watchman2012 LOL! Indeed. Even just one e-mail or a Facebook "poke" would convey WAY more than a tornado in the Midwest on a summer afternoon ever could.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
@Watchman2012 that is really funny!!!!!!!!
noXception 1 year ago
Jerry Falwell was just an ignorant, filthy dog. The so-called "Pagans" were here long before christians arrived, since the Native Americans were Pagan.
jaymthegenius 1 year ago
Oh crap, it still says 665 ratings... and I was so happy being all evil and everything... ;{
IheartChiroptera 1 year ago
@IheartChiroptera LOL.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Ha! I just gave this video its 666th rating! YYYESS!!
(...umm, 5 stars of course, what other choice?...)
IheartChiroptera 1 year ago
@IheartChiroptera well, there arent any stars anymore, its all thumbs now...and here I am with no way to share videos with friends on youtube anymore... :(
BobChaos23 1 year ago
A miracle, as I understand it, is an impossible event brought about by supernatural means. This tornado was not an impossible occurrance. It was unusual given the conditions, but unusual weather events happen about as often as one expects them to. There is a perfectly naturalistic explanation for the tornado, so we can exclude supernatural causes. Therefore we can say the tornado was not "miraculous".
Arkalius80 1 year ago
It's funny how colloquially, people are happy to laugh in disdain for the weather forcaster, and subscribe to the conventional wisdom that their predictions aren't worth anything. But, when a tornado that was not predicted to occur happens, the superstitious are now suddenly very interested in the predictions of these normally distrusted meteorologists and ready to point to them as evidence for their claim.
Arkalius80 1 year ago
Of course this does not discount the possibility that a supernatural being had some influence on it, but this whole argument is based on the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. Correlation does not imply causation. For someone to accept that the christian god had a causal relationship with this tornado, you must first demonstrate the existence of god, and then find corroborating evidence that he was involved in this event.
Arkalius80 1 year ago
The "miraculous" claim was actually because the weather conditions on that day were not what most meteorologists would expect to form tornadoes (it was cool, not humid, and had no frontal boundaries). Also, the Minneapolis-St. Paul metro doesn't have many tornadoes hit it--most are in rural areas.
Of course that proves no such "divine intervention," but I was unsurprised when I heard people stupidly arguing that it was.
zetanato 1 year ago
One point this video should make is that on the same day that this tornado struck, several other tornadoes hit in the far eastern suburbs of Minneapolis-St. Paul.
zetanato 1 year ago
I mentioned that there were other tornadoes that day at about the same time.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
I know, but that was regarding other states. I'm just saying that there were tornadoes within the same general area of the same state, which makes a case for a "divine cause" that much weaker.
Sorry to nitpick.
zetanato 1 year ago
Was that cross knocked off in the previous years and or other tornados?
iramcaballero 1 year ago
I don't know.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
I'm a bit of an expert on weather phenomenon (I'm a military weather officer (not in active duty)) and these claims are just ridiculous to me. If I had the will, I could probably find many interesting weather phenomenon coinciding with some event in the news. Claiming that tornado coinciding with a church meeting is a cause and effect. Besides that baffling meteorologists is easy, weather is one of the most studied, but hardest to understand field of science. It's balls-to-the-walls hard.
sinitassu 1 year ago
I appreciate your bringing your expertise to this discussion, Sinitassu. As no doubt you will have surmised from the video (and have a look at the comments section -- OOFA!), some religious believers just can't deal with a world in which weather events are not magical.
ProfMTH 1 year ago
Hearing things like this makes me glad that I'm a Missouri Synod Lutheran. Suprisingly I do agree that Homosexuals are born that way. Because I see that as a sin. And we are all born into sin. And Homosexuality is a sin.
purplesmokesunset 1 year ago
Oooh! Do i see more canidates for wacky comments? O.o.......o.O..... :D
floydsghost 2 years ago
LOL.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
"Insufficiently anti-gay"? I don't consider myself to be anti-gay, though you would. It's a matter of distinguishing the person from the act. As the Bible would say, loving the sinner yet hating the sin. If you take the Bible as the ultimate authority, you cannot condone homosexual behaviour, just as you cannot condone murder, etc.
And just because tornadoes are likely to happen in Minnesota, doesn't mean that God didn't use one. This way you can still have your blinders on.
ngdcam 2 years ago
"I don't consider myself to be anti-gay...."
I have no doubt that you don't. The Munsters thought Marilyn was the odd-looking one in the family.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
you are so right!!! I agree 100% with you, i mean; so many thousands of tornados, and this is the first one hitting this church? right...
hehe...your logic is sad.
you must be gay!!
bluejexcalibur 2 years ago
@bluejexcalibur
And you must be an idiot.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Truth hurts!!!
bluejexcalibur 2 years ago
"Truth hurst!!!"
Not to worry. Eventually, when you embrace the truth, you'll find it liberating.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
God failed again if He wanted to punish lutherans. He must sent something like a destroyer angel (George Bush, for example)
EliasWadith07 2 years ago
LOL!
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I am a member of a Lutheran Church "previously" associated with the ELCA . There has been great dissatisfaction with the ELCA by it's member congregations who are fed up with the ELCA leaders who are so out of touch with their members and are deviating from the true Word of God. For that reason a great many Lutheran churches are leaving the ECLA and affliliating themselves with the Lutheran Churches in Mission for Christ (LCMC) as we have done.
lflewellen 2 years ago
@lflewellen
That's nice. Thanks for the information. Do you believe your god sent a tornado to the ELCA's convention?
ProfMTH 2 years ago
i DO NOT endorse homosexuallity!!! am i the only lutheran that commented on this?
TDWKING1 2 years ago
No, there were others.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I was actually caught inside this tornado (it hit my workplace, which is about a mile from where the ELCA was holding their meeting in DT Mpls.). Did it scare me? Nope, the tornado was pretty and very breathtaking to behold. I've always wanted to be inside a tornado, and used to pray to God that I'd see one up close.
I think their God granted this atheist's wish in celebration of the ELCA decision. Way to go, Sky Daddy and thank you!
LaerenMisha 2 years ago
Mr ProfMTH:Perhaps GOD should apologize for not checking with YOU on what would be a more clear sign to express anger at the 66.6% (more superstition perhaps?) of the ELCA voters. Obviously this BULLSEYE tornado is not up to your high standards. One more thing...for those of us who BELIEVE IN GOD, please have more respect. Just because you do not understand GOD or your obsessive-self-sufficient ego blinds your soul, does not mean we are all stupid to prefer GOD over you.
God Bless you ProfMTH
jplacayonic 2 years ago
@jplacayonic
Maybe a tsunami or an earthquake or a searing light from the heavens would be the right punishment for Finland 'cos:
1. Women can be priests and we came close to having a woman bishop
2. We have an openly gay bishop
3. We have a priest who is openly gay and transgender!
4. We probably have several gay priests *gasp*
So the appropriate punishment from god was... We had snow crystals last year! It's one of the rarer meteorological phenomenon and it came from a clear sky! Godproval?
sinitassu 1 year ago
By the way, I do have meteorological training as Im a pilot and the lifted K index that day for the MSP area was low. Look that one up!
Like most liberals you take a little truth and sprinkle it on your bullshit agenda. Im not saying God sent that tornado, but I wouldnt say He didnt.
There is one thing I do know. God was certainly not happy about the vote. You are placing people in mortal sin who think they can live in impenitent sin. You are going to love them straight to hell!
pilot4321 2 years ago
I guess you are a meteorologist? There was no significant lifting mechanism for that tornado that day, no shear in the upper atmosphere, and the meteorologists werent forecasting storms. The storms to the South WERE a forecasted possibility.
But, lets take the tornado issue off the table. The ELCA is apostate! You guys dont follow the scriptures so Satan is running the helm. Im LCMS and find your last point a cheap shot that is not factually correct. Use all the books you want to!
pilot4321 2 years ago
"I guess you are a meteorologist?"
No. One need not be to read and understand the stats regarding tornadoes in summer in the American Midwest.
"The ELCA is apostate!"
That's your religious view. I don't really care about that. What I care about is the moronic claim that because the ELCA was insuffiently homophobic, the Christian god sent a tornado to their meeting site.
"I'm LCMS and find you last point a cheap shot...."
Too bad.
"not factually correct"
Prove it.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
If you are Lutheran than you might want to actually find out what scriptures and maybe Luther too had to say on the issue. Homosexuality is a clear sin. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. But guess what, we're all sinners. The difference is whether one repents of their sins. Without repentance there is no forgiveness, without forgiveness there is no justification before God and you know where that leads. Blessing sin is about the most foolish thing a Christian can do!
pilot4321 2 years ago
"If you are Lutheran...."
I'm not.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Again, if you had any meteorological training you might know that the circumstances of that tornado event were very far from normal. This was not a textbook example of a forecasted tornadic event, but somethings it happens. However, for you to use climate data to support these events happening all the time is just crap. When meteorologists forecast they look at overall weather patterns and q and k equations, not historical weather data.
pilot4321 2 years ago
O yea the northern edge of tornado alley isnt exactly a bullseye. LOL
JAMRAND 2 years ago
I wanted to hear the other side.
I have and have concluded that Logos is right and you would explain away anything.
JAMRAND 2 years ago
An expansion created a people who claim knowledge of God.
At the same time people who claimed a knowledge went against what is well known to be against God.
They got hit by a tornado on a day when weather forecasters would have bet their homes that the weather would be fair.
The steeple was knocked off their church.
there is no event so great as to overcome someones intent to discredit that event.
Come on, is the best you can do???
JAMRAND 2 years ago
OK THIS IS SIMPLE,, GOD SEND THAT TORNADO,, AND THE ANTIGOD PEOPLE GOING TO SAY,,,,, HEY THAT IS A MOTHER FUCKER STRAIGT TORNADO............ lol my english is very bad XD
I0quend0 2 years ago
see and this is why god will not send us a truely great sign lol... people like you are simply ignoring signs like this and if god did send down a truely amazing sign most people would go crazy and see it as the end of the world... lol
aaron200907 2 years ago
i believe you should go watch some other videos about it from other people then i guess... because apperantly everyone that lived there didnt see it coming lol...
aaron200907 2 years ago
Tornadoes often come up without warning. You're desperately trying to find something unusual about this, but it's just not there.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
ya true that it is in tornado alley and etc but to be even baffling to weather experts who spend all day just watching this stuff... lol you dont see that every day... and most of all right after they allow gay marriage... this is pretty amazing
aaron200907 2 years ago
It wasn't "baffling to weather experts."
ProfMTH 2 years ago
i saw the remarkable "mircale tornado video". people like me think: what? - and go back to sleep. but i'm happy that there are people out there who take the time and let the light shine bright on bullsh** like this!
thanks foryour video!
luxus1977 2 years ago
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Haha, I live in Minnesota. We get tornadoes all the time!
BestSpatula 2 years ago
"...even bottom-feeding insurance policies term it an 'Act of God'."
Which is a term of art. You have no idea what you're talking about.
"they are upset that the ELCA is (somehow) usurping the authority to determine what sin can be sanctified."
Christians have been deciding what is and isn't "sin" since the start of the religion. In any case, objecting to the ELCA's action is different in kind from asserting that a tornado was miraculously targeted at the ELCA by the Christian god.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Mostly4moderate, once you get over your apparent compulsion to rant, perhaps you can explain to me in rational terms what is "miraculous" about a tornado striking in the afternoon in the American Midwest during the summer. It's a bit like saying snow during the winter in Buffalo, New York is miraculous.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
The tornado struck and did its damage while the side opposing openness to gays was presenting its argument. Ask anyone who was there.
ismellpoptarts17 2 years ago
So what?
ProfMTH 2 years ago
And that's suppose to mean?
Minnesota lies within' an area known as TORNADO VALLEY!
PlainsofWar 2 years ago
There was an earthquake here on a Sunday when church was in service, therefore god hates Christians.
Gerafix 2 years ago
@ismellpoptarts17
I farted and left a jesus shaped shit-stain on my drawers, therefore jesus hates you.
That's logic, douchebag! Ask anyone who was there.
Eron2828 2 years ago
"about 25...a year" no, i would round that out at 26
arachnophile01 2 years ago
True, but you fail to provide information on the purpose of such. Yes, we know how they are formed, we know they can occur, but we also have weather forecasts and technology to see this. However, you call the superstitious crazy but keep in mind that although we may know how things work, we do not know WHY they work that way. So for this understanding, it is up in the air at anyone's guess. I say this, to not rule out that religious belief cannot be denied either or chastised in such manner
24okay 2 years ago
24Okay, with respect to weather, knowing how it works is the same as knowing why it works as it does. Period. End of story.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
If you say so. However a more inquiring mind would through in other speculations, so you can see why it is possible for others to have different thoughts. Have you not ever experienced a Miracle? Something that settling for "Coincidence" could not satisfy?
24okay 2 years ago
"a more inquiring mind would through [sic] in other speculations"
About weather? No. Looking for intentionality behind the weather is not the product of an inquiring mind but a superstitious and unscientific mind.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I am not saying that Logos was right, just so we are clear on that. However, you are now throwing science behind it. Science is only the series of events without explanation of truthful purpose, which is why we turn to religion accepting such beliefs. You can call me brainwashed all you like, however I did not seek out this way of thinking. It was always here and I discovered it. Much like discovery of atoms, oxygen, micro-organisms, etc...
24okay 2 years ago
I don't much care whether you agree with Logos, though it's nice to hear that you do not. I don't care whether you're brainwashed (and I have no idea whether you are or what that really means). All I care about in this exchange is the FACT that there is no intentionality behind weather. That is beyond rational debate and so this will be my last comment on it. Thanks.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
That is true and I agree with you. Good day to you.
24okay 2 years ago
I find it confusing that you included examples of people associating natural disasters as proof of god's punishments, and then combat only the tornade event in Minnesota. Why even include that in the first place into the video?
Just a curious question...
kungfufighter 2 years ago
Why even include what in the video? I don't understand your question.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Well your video responds primarily on the events that happened in Minnesota right? Why then would you even include OTHER people associating other disasters, but not answer all of the examples? What use is it to have them in your video?
kungfufighter 2 years ago
To show that it's not uncommon for religious believers to attribute intentionality to weather and other events.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
1525 tornados since 1950. The message with this one was clear. Wish we knew what the other 1524 messages were. Perhaps you snickering ELCA folks should get busy nailing your crosses down more securely. How embarassing to have one blown of your steeple like that.
willolsson 2 years ago
Ein feste Burg! Nice.
ptm5150 2 years ago
Thanks. It seemed most appropriate.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
This video is an explanation is reasonably good, but does not abolish the central fact, "a tornado hit the ELCA as they negotiated the word of God."
this was normal or spiritual?, just a coincidence?
everyone wants to interpret it
I readed a comment here, if it is raining or not raining, if it is punishment or blessing,
for some it will be a punishment for others it will be a blessing,
and nobody can define it here.
only God
MitonjMatheus 2 years ago
lol they are so stupid!
They need to go back to grade 2 Science class when we learn weather cycles.
Did they all dropped out in Kindergarten?
pranays 2 years ago
On this topic, I'm not sure what else to conclude. It's either that OR they have allowed total superstition and myth to eclipse their education.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Very good point I never thought of it that way.
pranays 2 years ago
Thank you for including "A Mighty Fortress" in the beginning of this video!! I thought it was hilarious, seeing as it's one of the most traditional Lutheran hymns we have. Oh, yes, "we" because I happen to be ELCA Lutheran, so also, thank you for this video. I've watched a few scary videos about the tornado and how I now need to repent. I also laugh at them.
NoLBe1 2 years ago
;-) Thanks a lot. Yes, "A Mighty Fortress" seemed appropriate for a number of reasons, primary among them that this was about Lutherans. While I've never been a Lutheran, I've had many Lutheran friends and probably like a lot of people who grew up in 70s and early 80s, I watched "Davey and Goliath" on TV and heard "A Mighty Fortress" every episode.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Stan Finger must be a fanatic disguised as a weather blogger. Those crazy Jesus conspirators are everywhere!!
He says it was "remarkable" how "straight" :) the tornado was as it headed and then lifted over the convention center.
Yes Stan, we know what was happening at that precise time. It was only a coincidence, God doesn't judge.
Oh Stan, we all see right through you, just come out of the closet you believer you!
kersten0425 2 years ago
Stan Finger is a weather blogger in Kansas. Check out his blog on the tornado from 8-21-2009
kersten0425 2 years ago
the tornado on Wednesday came after the ELCA typical Lutheran ambiguous vote.. the other vote, the bigger one, came Friday as that's when they voted to allow gay folk in a monogamous, committed relationships to be rostered clergy, etc. I think there was probably a miraculous rainbow somewhere on Friday.. :-)
crimthann86 2 years ago
you've got some great stuff. Glad I found your channel. Here's hoping you get plenty more views and subscribers.
stylovore 2 years ago
Thanks very much.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I've noticed lately that religious people are more likely to deny global warming as man-made. They want to believe it's God's punishment.
As I started to write this comment it started to rain and I was planning to go out soon, does it mean God is punishing me & my whole town for this comment? But it was also raining two days ago when I wanted to go out and I didn't do anything wrong then, so I guess somebody else in my town had to offend God with something. LOL
UserNr001 2 years ago
LOL XD
OrEeOw 2 years ago
I wish the Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod was as liberal as the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America.
tifforo1 2 years ago
Growing up i always thought all christians were bad because they condemned gays/lesbians... Then i realized muslims condemn women showing too much skin and they also for the most part condemn gays/lesbians etc... Ive realized these religions and the people whom identify as them are not bad, Just the radicals who choose to interpreut the religion that way... GOD=LOVE-So spread it
JoeyBoya 2 years ago
OMG............ACLU, and abortionists, and gays.... all caused 9/11? Why would anyone take that type of talk as credible? I wonder if many of these gullible folks who follow this train of "thinking" about miracles will bother to watch your well researched reply.
awreslr2 2 years ago
Well, some have watched it and simply insisted that *this* tornado was a warning from their god. Cognitive dissonance management is a powerful thing.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Relig-gi-idiots. So smug and self righteous. Probably watch Fox news and rarely think critically for yourselves. It's much easier to have Rush and Hannity tell you what you think!
arctic6005 2 years ago
I often get a chuckle when I listen to religionists try to use natural events to prop up their very unnatural beliefs.
ProfMTH, you wrote: "LogosApologia has yet to approve my video response. Perhaps the facts and statistics set forth in it are just too much for him to deal with."
I think I'll let Archie Bunker respond to that: "It's faith!—don't you know what that means?!? 'Faith' is something that you believe that nobody in his right mind would believe in..."
;-)
SentientMajority 2 years ago
LOL! I remember old Archie saying that. And he was largely correct. Thanks, SentientMajority.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Good video!! Nice to know Mr Falwell missed the Rapture. I bet Lucifer was rubbing his hands the day that tw@t showed up on his doorstep. ;-)
wjhopper 2 years ago
lol Thanks.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Any day now there's going to be a big earthquake in California and I'm going to say it's God's punishment on Californians for passing Prop 8.
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
lol
ProfMTH 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
So the tornado wasn't merely "a warning" to the ELCA assembly, but to the nation generally about not observing the Ten Commandments?
ProfMTH 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
Yeah, because things like that never used to happen. Natural disasters? Totally a recent phenomenon. As is the tendency of scared, sexually repressed people to see the wrath of god in everything.
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
What are the odds of a church being damaged in Tornado Alley? Pretty good actually.
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
You don't have to be included officially in Tornado Alley to get tornadoes, and not, it makes not difference the timing of the tornado or the fact that a cross was knocked down. This stuff happens all the time and it's only when it involves something you're interested in that you notice. The church got hit by a tornado, and a thing stuck to the top got knocked off. At least the roof didn't get blown off. Pretty lucky actually.
AbbeyNormal 2 years ago
"Actually Tornado Alley does not include Minneapolis...."
Oh, good grief! It's at the northern edge as I said in the video. Really, Maverick, you're sounding awfully silly here. In any case, we get it: you insist the tornado was a message from your god. You don't seem willing to work through the negative implications of mythologizing weather events, natural disasters, and the like. Rather, you merely want to declare *this* tornado a divine message. Well, you've done that. It's enough.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Thank God you're on Youtube (It's ironic, I know-just take the compliment).
spiffythealien 2 years ago
LOL. Compliment taken. Thank you.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
Pareidolia.
Looks like Satan to me, giving the church cross the finger.
middlekk 2 years ago
"It amazes me that people are so closed minded that they can't see God in their lives."
And it amazes me that anyone in the 21st century could regard a tornado on a summer afternoon in the American Midwest as miraculous.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
Tornadoes usually do some damage when they strike. To mythologize them both does too much (it multiplies entities beyond necessity) and too little (what of the other tornadoes that day which struck and damaged school buildings? Was the Christian god sending a message of displeasure about curriculum or something?). One wonders where attributing divine message-sending to this sort of thing ends. I fear the most likely terminus is profound superstition.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
"The type of damage and timing equates to it being more probable that this was from God than a school where the timing and damage didn't mean anything in the Christian beliefs."
How could you know this? Do you know what was going on or being planned in the tornado-damaged school buildings? Or is a tornado sent from the Christian god only in response to a body of believers deciding to be less anti-gay than they had been in the past?
ProfMTH 2 years ago
If yes, then the church building of the last parish I was a member of prior to my transition away from religious belief should have been flattened by *several* tornadoes.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
I'm so glad to find a fellow believer. There's sin all over the place, what with the baby nazi massacre and the violent homosexual invasion. Maybe if we let the babies live, the sexual deviants of opposite gender could just have their way with them. The babies would get to live, it would be heterosexual, god would be satisfied, and it would be socially repugnant enough to appease the evil devil spawned gays. If only people realized that pedophilia is able to avert all natural disasters.
darebear42 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
The type of idea I had and timing equates to it being more probable that the idea was from god. You seem somewhat close minded to an idea that could save the millions and millions of people who die from natural disasters. If you were a little more open minded, you would see that the only way we can be sure to never again have a natural disaster is to make gay people have sex with the babies that would have been aborted. Perhaps you should accept god and then maybe he will help you see.
darebear42 2 years ago
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Maverick4u1 2 years ago
lol, epic weather fail.
FlightIsLife 2 years ago
I'm laughing at all of these comments. I didn't know there were so many pantheists.
aridchicken 2 years ago
;-)
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Hey Mitch, I though you might enjoy this video with Bill Maher: watch?v=x2vhxhxEKME. It is a delightful parody of the very topic your discussing.
robtul12 2 years ago
Thanks! I'll check it out.
ProfMTH 2 years ago
And by you saying you have the right to pass judgement on others you are thereby breaking one of the main laws set out by your religion and that is 'it is gods place and his only to pass judgement'
RecycledDreams 2 years ago
the real bible, not the king james version states that all were created in the image of god. Yes i did study this for a great deal of time.
If so then would that make god gay if biologically we happened to be gay?
RecycledDreams 2 years ago
And what if we do not believe in god? Heres what i have to say and i'm certain it will cause people to attack me. Afterall people tend to not handle anything 'different' all that well.
Heres a shocker the bible, the real one not the king james one. Does not say a thing about gay people being evil. It simply states that all will face judgement. What does this mean? Humm? To those of you pointing fingers?
Heres what it is. Things happen everyday. Not to be a pessimist here but
RecycledDreams 2 years ago
I believe in Biblical inerrancy and we cannot determine why God does what He does. However, we know that it's His will.
God tells His people throughout the Bible that they will meet hardship.
God caused the tornado. Application of chaos theory should demonstrate that humans cannot perfect determine the weather to you.
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago
"God caused the tornado."
Did your god cause all the tornadoes that day?
ProfMTH 2 years ago
Yes.
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago
How do you know your god caused all the tornadoes that day? Did your god have reasons for causing all those tornadoes?
ProfMTH 2 years ago
God causes everything and is the Ultimate Cause or the "External Permanency" or the "Great Architect of the Universe".
I don't know God's reasons for doing what He does though.
numberonesurvivor75 2 years ago
Did god cause me to just have to take a dump? Or was that the coffee?
middlekk 2 years ago