According to this,Arabs had no national independence which led to conflict with Israelis. There are over 40 independent Arab nations - many existing prior to 1947. Thus Arab nationalism is NOT cause of the conflict against Israel. British promises 2 both Arabs &Jews is a root cause than Arab nationalism. So too is the Arab/Muslim desire to finish off what Hitler started - remove Jews from existence. These are fundamental causes which the World overlooks - instead Jews are scapegoats again
IT'S LIKE NATIVE AMERICAN GETTING BACK THEIR LANDS... HOW CAN AMERICA SUPPORT ISREAL RETURNING BACK TO THEIR LANDS WHEN NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE NO CONTROL OF THEIR LANDS !
@businesseast The diference is the the Indains have proptions of land that is thiers and soverign to everone but the Federal gov. and we no longer seek thier eradication.
Hertzl was not the founder of Zionism but the Rabbi Kalisher. Hertzl mentioned his joining the Zionists (hovevei Zion) later. and the Zionists and Arabs had a peace treaty (Fisal Wiseman agreement) which they took to Versailles. The allies then took this document and in San Remo divided the concurred ottoman empire lands. Arabs got Iraq, Jews got Israel. This was part of the League of Nations charter which later became the UN.
Ask the Buddhists of Thailand what they think about your Muslims friends. I suppose you agree with the Muslims that Thailand is an illegal entity occupying Muslim land too!
@AntiFascist2011 Well...I am not a fan of religions busting in on others' business. Muslims in Thailand are a bit like Buddhists in Sri Lanka...unwelcome invaders, aren't they? Show me an innocent religion...but in the case of the Palestinians, that has been their homeland since forever. Muslims Christians...even some Jews were pre-Zionist Palestinians. This is a different situation. The Christians and many Jews are also, anti-Zionist.
@opensourcebuddhism Absolutely false, the only autonomous states that have ever been in Israel were Jewish states. The name Palestina was assigned to the land, replacing JUDEA, after a 2nd Jewish rebellion vs. the Rome to erase the memory of their opponents. Jews have always maintained a presence in the land throughout history. When it changed hands from the Ottoman Empire to Britain, Palestine included the lands of both Israel & Jordan, & had a population of <1 million.
@hatamimbixen Facts you asked for: "According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy, the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews. McCarthy estimates the non-Jewish population of Palestine at 452,789 in 1882, 737,389 in 1914, 725,507 in 1922, 880,746 in 1931 and 1,339,763 in 1946." wiki
@opensourcebuddhism your just proving my point...jews have always lived there...israel accepted the original UN plan giving them a tiny piece of land compared to the 80-90% of the mandate the arabs were allocated...when they declared there independence, only from their allocated borders after the resolution, they were invaded and they were victorious
@hatamimbixen ...and if the Iroquois were backed by a strong outside gov, and wanted new york state back, well, the same argument: they are all Americans and can easily flee to Tennessee etc. There is no real "New York" because it is actually governed by the US Gov. I just can't believe the nonsense from Zionists for this video. Really, about every other day...must be bothering you, this innocent, undergrad project...she had no prior bias, except towards Israel...till she did her research...
@opensourcebuddhism in the hypothetical scenario that the iroquois tried to retake NY and americans fled and the iroqouis won...too bad for the americans that left...also in israels war of independence, no foreign armies fought alongside them and arms were purchased from private funds not...in 1947 the US enacted an arms embargo to prevent us made arms being involved, so weapons were smuggled. Regardless arab armies had both British and soviet arms and planes...this is a fact
When were local arabs removed from their land? last time i checked they packed up and left, thinking that the Jews would be slaughtered. why don't you support your claims...quite unscholarly. You can't just spit out statements without providing facts or at least citations
@hatamimbixen I thought there weren't any people there (or few) based on your claim above. Wouldn't you flee a war zone? Does that fact that Israeli's won with superior British and American weapons mean those people lose their homes, due to Arab gov. decisions? Israel is innocent? How about the Safsaf massacre October 29, 1948, Eilabun massacre October 30, 1948, Kafr Qasim massacre October 29, 1956, Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, February 25, 1994 and finally, complicity in Sabra/Shatila
@opensourcebuddhism notice all of the massacres i posted preceded the ones u list, bringing us back to the point that the arabs started the violence...no one's condoning the killing of civilians...
@AntiFascist2011 As a person who has recently lived in Thailand I will tell you that whether you ask a Muslim or a Buddhist, the majority will almost get offended and let you know they are Thai first. Other than the political problems in the south, they get along quite well and do not need your bigotry and fascism. We all know "anti-fa" is the new fascism anyway.
She went off the tracks at "arab and Jewish Nation. The Jewish Nation was reborn in 1948. There was no birth of an arab nation that year or in the thousands of years beforehand.
@hinginana I side with you. We are all brothers and sisters and our true mother is the stars and we are all star dust. Science is what made us and we are all chemicals and not the gods. Religion for me means conflict and more conflict just like nationalism.
@hinginana and still after the holocaust, where they were almost extinct, they became a nation after 2000 years of exile, yes I call Israel a hint from a very real and present God, wanting his creation to know he still loves them and regardless of their pride he is humble enough to forgive us and bless us.
i'm a former anti israeli activist.You do share some facts that are truthful but with some very misleading propaganda. the myth of a Palestinian people was invented in the 1960's, the conflict exist because of Jealousy against israeli's amongst the arabs .
I dont agree with everything the state of israel does, but that land is there's and every time the arabs have tried to steal it they have failed, come on! do you not think God almighty was trying to give us a hint when they won the 6 day war!
@domthebfg Actually, perhaps God was sending a message to the Jews back in the day when they were deported by the Romans for rebelling. Perhaps he wanted them to be a "light unto the nations" rather than part of a fascist takeover of the ancient land named for the Philistines. I like that version of Judaism so much better. I like Christians in the minority, Muslims too, but give them a majority and...watch out! I don't think God was behind the 6 day war victory...I think the US was though.
@opensourcebuddhism - utter nonesense!, whatever you've got against God needs to go, i tell you any nation or people who try and interfere with israel possessing the land God promised to Abraham is in deep trouble. The reason the arabs are in poverty is because of the arabs, I believe we should help those in need but when someone keeps jumping in the water when they can't swim, how many times are you going to dive in there after them.
@opensourcebuddhism The US was not "behind" the 6 day war, in that they neither spurred it or funded it. In fact there's more to support the Russians being behind the Arabs, given the arms support they had provided to the Arabs, and the offers to rearm after the initial losses. Either way, both had a naval presence and reasons for monitoring the events. I also question with the characterization of "secret plans" to remove Arabs during the 1948 war. Was there a desire on the part of some? Yes.
@opensourcebuddhism All you forget the masses continued in Israel,only the elites were thrown out,the very proof of that is the many Palestinian muslims do recognize they descend from jews and some still practice cripto-judaism there...while many jews NEVER LEFT THE LAND and can be found easily in Israel to this very day,some have even appeared on the news.
@opensourcebuddhism Keep dreaming, arab. US only have ammo. And the Soviets actually gave you guys tons of weapons and pilots. Does Muhammed want you to lie?
@opensourcebuddhism "rather than part of a fascist takeover of the ancient land named for the Philistines" the Philistines? really? well, it's all justice then if you believe they're philistines. "philistine" means "INVADER." The phillistines came from the defunct Minoan civilization and settled in the area. So, they lost this time. time to stop whining and move on with their lives. the invaders have been invaded, so sad, oh well....
@BillKiernan Exactly Bill, what I say every time to this: I think Jesus got this one right: "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword." As I have told countless viewers of this controversial video (apparently it is, not really sure why), when the Arabs re-invade that poor invasion route, I am sure you will applaud them then, right? I will mourn for yet more lost innocent lives. That was just my point about the Philistines and Canaanites...they were invaded by Moses and friends.
@opensourcebuddhism the arabs won't re-invade anything. they couldn't do it when Israel was a sliver of indefensible land, they sure as hell can't now. The Philistines invaded that land. practically every nation on earth came about through one group usurping another. the "palestinians" were offered citizenship in israel from the beginning. they rejected not only citizenship, but their own state time and time again because they wanted it all sans jews. i have no sympathy for them, at all.
@BillKiernan Well, you have no sympathy for Palestinians. Take a look at the Golan Heights tank battles on Netflix...maybe hundreds of Soviet tanks taken out by five or so US -made Israeli tanks. I suppose you must hope the US remains rich enough to keep bankrolling that military. When we run out of money in the US for that nonsense, they may find a need to stop encroaching on what remains of Palestinian land. They don't want to kill all the Jews, they want a secular state like we have here.
@opensourcebuddhism "They don't want to kill all the Jews, they want a secular state like we have here" wow. you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. haven't read the Hamas or Hezbollah charters have you?
@opensourcebuddhism i'll help you since you've not done your homework: "These are the motives. As to the objectives: discarding the evil, crushing it and defeating it, so that truth may prevail, homelands revert [to their owners], calls for prayer be heard from their mosques, announcing the reinstitution of the Muslim state. Thus, people and things will revert to their true place" Hamas charter article 9, Motives and Objectives.
"We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly." (America And The Founding Of Israel, p. 49
@opensourcebuddhism that's nice. doesn't change the fact that the palestinians overwhelmingly voted for Hamas to govern them and have no interest in a "secular state." there are muslims in the Israeli Knesset, and even in the Israeli army fyi.
@opensourcebuddhism "opensource buddhism." hmmmm, try building a buddhist center/temple in Israel. Ok, now try it in "Palestine." anyway, you were talking about the plight of the poor palestinians right? where were we? women and homosexuals have it great in "palestine" too compared to Israel. I see your point, Israel is the bad guy, you've convinced me. I watched the golan heights tank battle thing you talked about. Arabs not having their shit together and getting their asses kicked as usual.
@BillKiernan Nope. "opensourcebuddhism" is all about looking at all the religions of the planet, hence "open source". I think it is fair to say Arabs had their act together during the 700 or so years of Umayyad and Abbasid caliphate. That is a long time, the Empires, vast. What I like about traditional Indian and Chinese religions is that do not view a deity as a landlord, boss over some land or other. They generally fail to understand this conflict.
@opensourcebuddhism What about the ancient Abracadabran people? You know, the native people of all of Europe and America. Oh, did I forget to mention that the Abracadabrans happen to be Arab Muslims identical to all other Arab Muslims. And they want to exterminate all non Arab Muslims and even moderate Muslims. But I'm sure you wouldn't be fascist enough to hold that against them. Stop occupying Muslim land!
@AntiFascist2011 Well, sorry you are so filled with hatred. That is what makes for these ridiculous wars! Christians and Jews also plan a planetary takeover...why single out Muslims?
@opensourcebuddhism I don't hate anyone. Muslims are people who have been brainwashed by an evil ideology. They are victims too. Christians and Jews do not want to conquer the world or force people to convert. Jews just want to left alone. Christians want to share the good news and let people choose. Islam has Sharia Law. Read the Quran and the Hadith. Tell me what you think of Muhammad and his followers. Muhammad was a cross between Hitler and Genghis Khan.
The Jewish people were exiled from Israel by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. They survived, returned to Israel after 70 years, and then built the Second Temple. Then in 70 CE, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple, causing the Jews to go into exile once again.
Therefore, we see two different uniquenesses:
A. The only nation exiled twice from their own land
B. The only nation to ever survive and return from a previous exile
Jews remained a people despite exile and dispersion. In all of human history, there have been less than ten exiles of an entire people out of their country. It’s a highly unusual phenomenon to take a whole people and throw them out of their country.
Multiple exiles are unheard of, since after the first one the people generally disappear—they simply become assimilated among other peoples. In human history, multiple exiles and dispersion are unique only to the Jewish people.
@Zabaloola All true, friend. I've read the Quran and Hadith for myself and seen that Muhammad was a forerunner of Hitler. The order to conquer is open ended for the entire world as we can see today with Muslims massacring Christians in places like Nigeria. The Islamic Caliphate introduced the Yellow Star to be worn by Christians and Jews as symbols of our inferiority. That practice was revived by the Nazis. Hitler praised Islam and set up a Waffen SS unit for Muslims.
@domthebfg It is obvious you are an Israeli. Only israelis and Zionists say the Palestinian people are an invention. Comments like this are typical Israeli propaganda.
You are pretending to be a former anti Israeli activist, whilst all the while, planning and plotting to steal more of the Holy Land by deception and conivance.
@TheChutzpahGirl Surely the palestinians are exactly the same as Jordanians?
Could it be that the arbitrary line drawn by the British between Jordan and so-called Palestine just so happened to be exactly where the two groups were living? Palestinians on the left and Jordanians on the right?
I very much doubt it. There is a conspiracy and that is between some Arabs from many countries to destroy the Jew. Thay use the "palestinians" as pawns.
@TheChutzpahGirl no, they'll try and divide the land, we'll see a third world war and the complete defeat of all nations that go against israel, just like the 6 day war, just like nazi germany
@domthebfg 'the conflict exist because of Jealousy against israeli's amongst the arabs'
Of course. Islam demands Muslims live in the 7th century, and 21rst century Israel makes them look bad.
Plus, the so called "Palestinian issue" makes a great distraction from Allah's imperative for Muslims to dominate the world.
"Look what you made us do! There are Jews here! If you would let us kill them all, there would be no problem. Islam is a religion of peace! Look what you made us do!"
The reason that the Arabs are as impoverished as they are is because that is the way that their leadership WANTS them to be. I is HISTORY, not an opinion and if history isn't good enough for you, tough. The Israelis, the bulk of them, want to live side-by-side with their Arab neighbors. ONLY in Israel are Arab women treated like human beings; in all Islamic cultures in the middle east, women are 15th class citizens.
Well, isn't that special...someone misusing my name who doesn't even know how to spell Palestine. Palestine is the name the Romans gave the land of Judea. The term Palestinian was invented by an Egyptian by the name of Arafat; it didn't exist until 1964l Do the Arabs have any rights to a state? Of course. They were GIVEN ONE by the UN. Instead of accepting it they said NO. Ishmael was NOT promised any land; only Issac and that was what is now Israel. Ishmael is described in Genesis 16...
Since 62 years no solution - Why did the UN and G 20 not help to find a solution for peace and a Palestinian land
We have more than 1 million Palestinian refugees living in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon Camps, all these people want to return to their homeland in Palestine.
Ban Ki Mon, UN are obliged to work together to send the Palestinian people back to their own land.
The lands that Jews were expelled from had lived in those lands before ISLAM! How many Israeli refugee camps do you hear of? NONE, because they accepted each and every person wanting to emigrate to Israel. NO ARAB COUNTRY HAS ACCEPTED THEIR ARAB BRETHREN, NONE! Israel has accepted the Vietnamese boat people, they flew in the Etheopeans who were threatened with death. Israel has accepted immigrants from all over the world who are escaping their homelands. Get your story right before lying.
Madagascar was NEVER a thought in the Jewish mind. Gentiles thought that the Jews would be happy in Uganda. GENTILES, not Jews. There is one thing missing in any other country other than Israel: JERUSALEM. We have prayed for thousands of years to be back in Jerusalem; your "history" is defective. As a matter of FACT more Jews were thrown out of Arab countries that Arabs left Israel. Israel BEGGED the Arabs to stay, but the left on the promise of their leaders that they would destroy Israel.
To Buddhist open...I am a Jew. I believe in the Tenach; the Jewish bible. I fully accept that Abraham was promised the land of Israel as an everlasting possession. Show me where any other group of people were promised by the Creator of the Universe where anyone was given a promise like that except for the Arabs who were promised a different land entirely. Buddhists have no god but themselves, I do not expect you to accept the Tenach.
You miss a large amount of crucial history in your brief assessment. For one thing, the Zionist Congress was still debating where the Jewish state would be before Herzl died, and were still considering that Madagascar might be more suitable in the long-term, but after WW2 started this agreement became impossible.
Also, The expulsion of Palestinians began before the war in 1948 - Jews owned a minority percentage of Mandate Israel and had no other means of achieving an ethnic majority.
OpensourceBuddism : re: your example of taking back Belfast. That IS what many of "the celts" wished to do with Belfast, in the late 20th Century, with substantial sympathy and support from Irish Americans, and co-operation with anti-Zionist regimes such as Gaddaffi.
And if it was wrong for the IRA and Irgun to talk of a race's ownership of land, surely it is equally wrong for Hamas and others wishing to extirpate the Israeli's and the state of Israel? Have a thoughtful XMas.
@CBfrmcardiff I am actuallly from the Protestant side of Ireland. That they are there is a sign of a Protestant takeover of the north with the aid of the British, just as the British enabled Israel. It is wrong for Hamas and friends to want to extirpate Israel, it is not wrong from them to want and to have a state. It is wrong for Israel to continue to extirpate them with these further settlements.
You have lied in your moronic attempt at rewriting history. Only ONE GROUP of people were ever promised Israel: Abraham and his descendants. The Arabs were promised a totally different land. I thought that Buddhism taught some truth; now I know it does not.
@bevkurtin Bev, EVERYONE was "promised" land. How about I go and take over a home in Belfast, whence my people came? That was Celtic land and I am half Celt. What if a Canaanite wants his land back? Can he just take an Israeli home? The truth is that what Israel has one in Palestine matches the brutal conquest of Moses and the Jugdges. That is my problem with the religion and god of Abraham...all the violence and certainty. Buddhism is not like that.
@opensourcebuddhism And what if the Native Americans wanted their land back, across the entire hemisphere, and the Maoris and other Aboriginal peoples around the world? The difference with the Jews and the land of Israel, is that it is a return to a homeland, not the colonization of a new one. You need to work on your history some more. Read the part about the brutal progroms, evictions and land and property confiscations in Arab states after Israel's acceptance into the UN. Remove the blinders.
@opensourcebuddhism "EVERYONE was "promised" land." is not biblically correct. Israel is the only area of territory that God ever promised to a particular group and that group is the descendants of Jacob/Israel.
The occupants were deemed by God to be worthy of severe judgement as was all the Earth's population when God destroyed it with a flood. Worse is to come if you read what the Bible says will yet happen. You can trust God though. Love God and you will want to do what He wants. He is good
The land was promised to the midgets. Then the giants ate the midgets, and sold the land to the purple monkeys. The purple monkeys were slaves until 1905, and then in 1492 the cheese empire was formed by angry Turks. This is the birth of Jesus, who was the grandfather of John Wayne!
Great video, Palestine never existed before the British mandate, i.e. their are people alive today who remember a time when "Palestine" didn't exist LOL! Funny the leftists and muslim sharia terrorist say Israel is a bully considering Arabia spans from western Africa to almost China in a giant empire run with Sharia law. Israel geographically is an ant in comparrison, Palestinians are Jordanian you can trace their bloodline.Anti-Semitism is ripe here with Hitler apologists scared of true history
@TreeSmoke1999 "Palestine" is a name going back to the Philistines of the 14th century BCE...what do you mean it never existed? You mean, because the British "owned" it? You say they are Jordanians, but in fact both regions were administered by the Ottomons. I suppose too, there was no Israel until 1948, or is it an ancient name? Whatever you say, the fact is millions of people were kicked out of homes they lived in, one I knew, since the year 900. That is a long time to live in a home.
@opensourcebuddhism Oh Moh was kind to Jewish people? I am confused as someone told me that the Palestine themselves are the Jewish who lived there but they just converted to Muslims. I feel sorry for all. We don't need war though.
@eflwinnie Yes, people don't know their history on the Jewish Palestinian issue...the Jews were deported en masse after revolt against the Romans in 135...that is how so many end up in central Europe. The people there were descendants of Roman settlers and Arab Muslim invaders arriving approximately the seventh century. About 1% of the population had remained Jewish throughout the centuries...not more than that.
i've been thinking.. it's a very small piece of land. why not argue over something a bit more substantial? australia? it might even be worth the bloodshed.
Muhammed when he established the constitution of medina said Muslims Jews and christains should exist peacefully together since we all believe in Abraham and we are all monotheistic religions and even though I am jewish I believe this would be a brilliant Idea since we are all brethren
@czarsean1 That is wrong read the bible to know what muhamamd did and wrote in his book... no jews was alive in his time in medina... you are not a jew if you dont know our book
@eflwinnie That is very true. There are many references in Quran to Killing all non believers including Jews and Christians (kafirs or infidels) Sura9: 29
Israel is a state that was offered by the west and the British occupying forces to the Zionists , while the most of the 600000 Jews who were there at? the time were migrants , and although the Arabs did not accept the partition plan , theirs was a voice in the wildenes , the voice of the people who lived there for? centuries was ignored , israel was imposed on the palestenians and the neighbering countries ,,,, for me , this is a war decleration , this is the root cause of the problem
@Pledgeist don't tell me what allah means in arabic, i know! but some of them say, allah is the name of god, well thats wrong, and the allah of muslims is a killer, he give right to kill, while our allah say: we should not kill nor murder! So this is clear that this allah the muslim have is:Devil!!!
@Ahridium777 what u say is based on impressions , not on arguments , and yes , in the torah , it is said not to murder , well , let tell you that that it is far from what's going on the ground
Chapter 2:140: Or say you that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the twelve sons of Jacob were Jews or Christians? Say (of Muhammad), 'Do you know better or does Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony he has from Allah?' And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
@rasheed1660 Allah was anyway a shatan a false god, cause he commanded to kill, my allah does not ommand this, my allah is not ur allah, you allah is shatan!!!!
In Chapter 3:65-67: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense? Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim (worshiper of none but Allah alone) and he joined none in worship with Allah.
@eflwinnie pashtuni are notbrelevant to persians, persians are a clean arian tribe, pashtuni not, while iranian are also mixed with arabic as pashtuni too!
@rasheed1660 ishmael wa snot arab and chaldeans were not arabs and jokhtan were not arabs but chaldean arameans. arabs the word came very late with the qur'an not b4, dont mix up shitt!!!
Prophet Abraham PBH was neither jew or christian he was a chaldean semitic in features with a oval face wavy black hair arched eyebrows not looking like a european or aryan
neither side is right,both are wrong.NO ONE can judge or say who is right.Both are looked upon with shame by our creator.It's a nice video with a good history,But you did not live that history so you will never know what is true and false.
Make Jerusalem a municipal independent governement (with UN apointed mayor) where both can have government offices and foreign embassies, give the pre-1967 borders back to palestinians, allow both into the EU for economical integration and Israel into NATO as a safeguard for its existence and allow only a gendarmerie type of militia to palestine (but make other arab states guarantors of its security and finally demolish all the settlements. Done!
@sarahgittel Indeed Sarah! The land of Canaan was promised to...the Canaanites (just ask Ba'al!)! You have demonstrated a great awareness competency! Congratulations....
@opensourcebuddhism Yes the Canaanites had received the land, and when Gd saw their ways, He repented and destroyed them and today they are no more. No one exists to say or prove Canaanite. The Baal is THE abohorrance Gd rejected.
Hebrew Nation was forbidden from going in the way of the Baal. Congratulations
@opensourcebuddhism Yes, they Canaanites received the land. When Gd saw their ways He repented, and destroyed them. Today, they are no more. No one exists to prove Canaanite. The Baal IS the abhorrance Gd held in contempt.
The Hebrew Nation was specifically forbidden to go in the ways of the Baal, Congratulations
@opensourcebuddhism Archaeological evidence suggests that the the Jews actually are the Canaanites and that the Bibles account is a revision of history that was adopted when the early (harshly oppressive) ruling class was over-thrown. Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because either way the Jewish claim precedes the Arab claim by thousands of years and the Jews have never ceased fighting against all odds to reclaim it. They spent nearly 2000 years as refugees.
There is a book "Palaestina ex Monumentis Veteribus Illustrata"
Link: goo.gl_kqnJS
written by Adriaan Reeland in 1695 (not mistake, I mean 1695) - he visited nearly 2500 settlements in Palestine at that time and wrote in the book that most of population of Palestine were jews, the rest were christians and only very little were muslims (beduins).
So this is definitely jewish land. Muslims came later, when there already was jewish majority, but now muslims complain that jews occupied Palestine.
@CleverManX CleverMan, I found this about Adriaan Reeland in wikipedia: Although he never ventured beyond the borders of the Netherlands, he was also acclaimed as a cartographer[4
So how do you claim he visited Palestine to find mostly Jews there? My sources say about 1 percent Jewish prior to the immigration by pogrom victims. Where did those Jews go? Why wasn't Palestine then, easily made a Jewish state if they were the majority...many, many questions about your claim....
@opensourcebuddhism - Wikipedia is not reliable source - one can write there that Reeland visited Palestine (link "4" doesn't exist).Anyway,in the time when he lived there was no Israeli-palestinian conflict,so he didn't have any interest in fabricating facts.
The issue is not why jews did not create their country at that time,the issue is that there were no muslims in Palestine, so muslims' claim of jewish occupation is BS (arabs are foreigners there).
@CleverManX This is just so ignorant what you are saying. No Muslims in Palestine in 1695? odd that the Ottomon (Muslim) empire governed it, but had no officials there. Arabs do not belong in Palestine you say? What about the original Canaanites? They were there before any Jews...Semitic peoples in fact. And I suppose the Muslim who told me his family had lived in their home since about the year 900 was just lying, right? Just google "Jewish occupation of Palestine map" and see it all....
@opensourcebuddhism - It is not what I said, this is what Reeland said in his book.
You talked about to count ottomans as palestinians - would you count british solders in India as indians during British Empire? And then what british solders in Palestine during British Mandat? - are they counted as palestinian arabs, jews or christians?
I'm curious - do you know the history of your family before 1000 years? And your friends know about their? - sure, you understand why I'm asking :)
@CleverManX and the US was once controlled by indian tribes- those who give credence to history just make their arguments that much flaccid- u could cite history to prove your point and i can cite equally valid history that contradicts yours, its ridiculous to even use history to settle the tension in the middle-east, its an argument that's un-winnable, as this conflict with be "never ending"
JEWISH CALENDAR IS 5771 years Islam Mohammed 1,486 years.So who was where for over 4000 years Jews were around 4000 years before Islam Wake up to this.
@itayherz I suppose we can say the same about the Native Americans and Tibetans too then...they, like the Palestinians, deserved to lose their land...cuz someone with better weapons took it, right? The maps do not lie sir, and you know this is true....
@opensourcebuddhism Except that you are missing very salient points form his post, and from history: the Mandate was actually under control of the British who gave it to Israel - there was no governing body in America; & the locals were not pushed out, they left at the behest of the Arab Higher Committee. Then, after being attacked Israel won the land as well. The maps don't lie, but you do - if only by omission & false analogy.
@FlaviaR I so forgot how long the British lived in that part of the world Flavia. My goodness, they had every right to control Palestine and give it away. They had a right to control the third of the world they once did. I mean, if you can take something, it is yours, right? You can find that view in the Bible...ask Moses. Geez...they should also have granted a country to the American Indians too.
@opensourcebuddhism, what you forgot is that the British were administering the territory after the last rulers had been defeated, at the behest of the UN. IOW, there WAS NO COUNTRY THERE. For you to call it "Palestine" as if it was a country is pernicious Your childish lies and posturing about "taking" it proves that even you know how wrong you are about all this - good job!
@FlaviaR Flavia, fyi, the word "Palestine" refers to the ancient Philistines. It is rather older than even the English nation. People have lived there since, well thousands of years BCE. There was no UN after WWI but the League of Nations. Now, you are telling me the British-controlled League had authority to govern and give away this land. When I was there I met a Palestinian family who had lived in their home since the year 909 CE. Even they outdate Britain.
@opensourcebuddhism ROFTLOL!! I love it when someone tries the "Philistine" card! All that does is INVALIDATE your claim! They LOST the land in a war - so, there ya go! And yes, the British WON the land in a WAR as well - you may have heard of it - WWI? & yes, the League of Nations did start the whole process - look up the San Reno conference. As for the "Palestinian family living there since 909"? You're either a liar or way too gullible.
@FlaviaR You know Flavia, your kind of reasoning: Israelites TOOK the land, the British WON the land is so sad. So you won't shed a tear when the day comes and Arabs have their act together and WIN the land back, will you? People like you are the cause of all the bloodshed. I WILL shed many tears on that dreadful day. I know the innocent don't deserve such treatment, no matter who WINS the land, as you put it. I am not gullible, just
The biggest Robe ever...free Palestine
and nO mo shit from the miserable nomad jews without land
ibraVibraz 5 days ago
According to this,Arabs had no national independence which led to conflict with Israelis. There are over 40 independent Arab nations - many existing prior to 1947. Thus Arab nationalism is NOT cause of the conflict against Israel. British promises 2 both Arabs &Jews is a root cause than Arab nationalism. So too is the Arab/Muslim desire to finish off what Hitler started - remove Jews from existence. These are fundamental causes which the World overlooks - instead Jews are scapegoats again
1messers 5 days ago
IT'S LIKE NATIVE AMERICAN GETTING BACK THEIR LANDS... HOW CAN AMERICA SUPPORT ISREAL RETURNING BACK TO THEIR LANDS WHEN NATIVE AMERICANS HAVE NO CONTROL OF THEIR LANDS !
businesseast 5 days ago
@businesseast The diference is the the Indains have proptions of land that is thiers and soverign to everone but the Federal gov. and we no longer seek thier eradication.
CogInAVice 1 day ago
Britain screws up again.
Siguror6 1 week ago
Hertzl was not the founder of Zionism but the Rabbi Kalisher. Hertzl mentioned his joining the Zionists (hovevei Zion) later. and the Zionists and Arabs had a peace treaty (Fisal Wiseman agreement) which they took to Versailles. The allies then took this document and in San Remo divided the concurred ottoman empire lands. Arabs got Iraq, Jews got Israel. This was part of the League of Nations charter which later became the UN.
1czechit1 1 week ago
San Remo Conference 1920 gave the Arabs Iraq and Syria, the Jews got Israel and Jordan.
1czechit1 1 week ago
anyone can just draw maps it doesn't mean the map is true..
tmpq1lzy 1 week ago
The Quran says that Allah has given all the world to the Muslims.
AntiFascist2011 1 week ago
Ask the Buddhists of Thailand what they think about your Muslims friends. I suppose you agree with the Muslims that Thailand is an illegal entity occupying Muslim land too!
AntiFascist2011 1 week ago
@AntiFascist2011 Well...I am not a fan of religions busting in on others' business. Muslims in Thailand are a bit like Buddhists in Sri Lanka...unwelcome invaders, aren't they? Show me an innocent religion...but in the case of the Palestinians, that has been their homeland since forever. Muslims Christians...even some Jews were pre-Zionist Palestinians. This is a different situation. The Christians and many Jews are also, anti-Zionist.
opensourcebuddhism 1 week ago
@opensourcebuddhism Absolutely false, the only autonomous states that have ever been in Israel were Jewish states. The name Palestina was assigned to the land, replacing JUDEA, after a 2nd Jewish rebellion vs. the Rome to erase the memory of their opponents. Jews have always maintained a presence in the land throughout history. When it changed hands from the Ottoman Empire to Britain, Palestine included the lands of both Israel & Jordan, & had a population of <1 million.
hatamimbixen 1 day ago
@hatamimbixen Facts you asked for: "According to Ottoman statistics studied by Justin McCarthy, the population of Palestine in the early 19th century was 350,000, in 1860 it was 411,000 and in 1900 about 600,000 of which 94% were Arabs. In 1914 Palestine had a population of 657,000 Muslim Arabs, 81,000 Christian Arabs, and 59,000 Jews. McCarthy estimates the non-Jewish population of Palestine at 452,789 in 1882, 737,389 in 1914, 725,507 in 1922, 880,746 in 1931 and 1,339,763 in 1946." wiki
opensourcebuddhism 1 day ago
@opensourcebuddhism your just proving my point...jews have always lived there...israel accepted the original UN plan giving them a tiny piece of land compared to the 80-90% of the mandate the arabs were allocated...when they declared there independence, only from their allocated borders after the resolution, they were invaded and they were victorious
hatamimbixen 23 hours ago
@hatamimbixen ...and if the Iroquois were backed by a strong outside gov, and wanted new york state back, well, the same argument: they are all Americans and can easily flee to Tennessee etc. There is no real "New York" because it is actually governed by the US Gov. I just can't believe the nonsense from Zionists for this video. Really, about every other day...must be bothering you, this innocent, undergrad project...she had no prior bias, except towards Israel...till she did her research...
opensourcebuddhism 1 day ago
@opensourcebuddhism in the hypothetical scenario that the iroquois tried to retake NY and americans fled and the iroqouis won...too bad for the americans that left...also in israels war of independence, no foreign armies fought alongside them and arms were purchased from private funds not...in 1947 the US enacted an arms embargo to prevent us made arms being involved, so weapons were smuggled. Regardless arab armies had both British and soviet arms and planes...this is a fact
hatamimbixen 23 hours ago
When were local arabs removed from their land? last time i checked they packed up and left, thinking that the Jews would be slaughtered. why don't you support your claims...quite unscholarly. You can't just spit out statements without providing facts or at least citations
hatamimbixen 1 day ago
@hatamimbixen I thought there weren't any people there (or few) based on your claim above. Wouldn't you flee a war zone? Does that fact that Israeli's won with superior British and American weapons mean those people lose their homes, due to Arab gov. decisions? Israel is innocent? How about the Safsaf massacre October 29, 1948, Eilabun massacre October 30, 1948, Kafr Qasim massacre October 29, 1956, Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, February 25, 1994 and finally, complicity in Sabra/Shatila
opensourcebuddhism 1 day ago
@opensourcebuddhism notice all of the massacres i posted preceded the ones u list, bringing us back to the point that the arabs started the violence...no one's condoning the killing of civilians...
hatamimbixen 23 hours ago
@AntiFascist2011 As a person who has recently lived in Thailand I will tell you that whether you ask a Muslim or a Buddhist, the majority will almost get offended and let you know they are Thai first. Other than the political problems in the south, they get along quite well and do not need your bigotry and fascism. We all know "anti-fa" is the new fascism anyway.
Dystopian420 1 week ago
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tmpq1lzy 2 weeks ago
She went off the tracks at "arab and Jewish Nation. The Jewish Nation was reborn in 1948. There was no birth of an arab nation that year or in the thousands of years beforehand.
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crash911a 2 weeks ago
There was no Israel for about 2,000 years. But otherwise pretty objective.
peopleofthecircle 2 weeks ago
Both (yes there were 2) kingdoms where elimanated by the Romans.
peopleofthecircle 2 weeks ago
Where does this lady get her facts from? check your resources.
orenokhovat 3 weeks ago
from where did you get this map (in the last seconds)
It is the really stupid and fake map!!!
supergization 3 weeks ago
Stupid woman can't even get her history right.
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EmpireofFaith113 3 weeks ago
@hinginana I side with you. We are all brothers and sisters and our true mother is the stars and we are all star dust. Science is what made us and we are all chemicals and not the gods. Religion for me means conflict and more conflict just like nationalism.
TECWAR100 1 month ago
@hinginana and still after the holocaust, where they were almost extinct, they became a nation after 2000 years of exile, yes I call Israel a hint from a very real and present God, wanting his creation to know he still loves them and regardless of their pride he is humble enough to forgive us and bless us.
P.S. i'm also an x atheist
domthebfg 1 month ago
Get a proper microphone.
DonKael 1 month ago
I saw the buddism link and well that was enough for me, sorry.
ucancallmebaby1 1 month ago
i'm a former anti israeli activist.You do share some facts that are truthful but with some very misleading propaganda. the myth of a Palestinian people was invented in the 1960's, the conflict exist because of Jealousy against israeli's amongst the arabs .
I dont agree with everything the state of israel does, but that land is there's and every time the arabs have tried to steal it they have failed, come on! do you not think God almighty was trying to give us a hint when they won the 6 day war!
domthebfg 1 month ago
@domthebfg Actually, perhaps God was sending a message to the Jews back in the day when they were deported by the Romans for rebelling. Perhaps he wanted them to be a "light unto the nations" rather than part of a fascist takeover of the ancient land named for the Philistines. I like that version of Judaism so much better. I like Christians in the minority, Muslims too, but give them a majority and...watch out! I don't think God was behind the 6 day war victory...I think the US was though.
opensourcebuddhism 1 month ago 2
@opensourcebuddhism - utter nonesense!, whatever you've got against God needs to go, i tell you any nation or people who try and interfere with israel possessing the land God promised to Abraham is in deep trouble. The reason the arabs are in poverty is because of the arabs, I believe we should help those in need but when someone keeps jumping in the water when they can't swim, how many times are you going to dive in there after them.
domthebfg 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism but amen to the jews being a light to all nations and not repeating the sins of their forefathers
domthebfg 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism The US was not "behind" the 6 day war, in that they neither spurred it or funded it. In fact there's more to support the Russians being behind the Arabs, given the arms support they had provided to the Arabs, and the offers to rearm after the initial losses. Either way, both had a naval presence and reasons for monitoring the events. I also question with the characterization of "secret plans" to remove Arabs during the 1948 war. Was there a desire on the part of some? Yes.
bman342a 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism All you forget the masses continued in Israel,only the elites were thrown out,the very proof of that is the many Palestinian muslims do recognize they descend from jews and some still practice cripto-judaism there...while many jews NEVER LEFT THE LAND and can be found easily in Israel to this very day,some have even appeared on the news.
Gwynsek 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism "most justified claim to the land". I would say God's decision is the one we should take most seriously.
Moses said the people would be dispersed, but that they they would return and they have!
copperload 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism theres no god man
oshitomaha 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism Keep dreaming, arab. US only have ammo. And the Soviets actually gave you guys tons of weapons and pilots. Does Muhammed want you to lie?
MrBigBEARHUNTER 2 weeks ago
@opensourcebuddhism "rather than part of a fascist takeover of the ancient land named for the Philistines" the Philistines? really? well, it's all justice then if you believe they're philistines. "philistine" means "INVADER." The phillistines came from the defunct Minoan civilization and settled in the area. So, they lost this time. time to stop whining and move on with their lives. the invaders have been invaded, so sad, oh well....
BillKiernan 2 weeks ago
@BillKiernan Exactly Bill, what I say every time to this: I think Jesus got this one right: "Those who live by the sword shall die by the sword." As I have told countless viewers of this controversial video (apparently it is, not really sure why), when the Arabs re-invade that poor invasion route, I am sure you will applaud them then, right? I will mourn for yet more lost innocent lives. That was just my point about the Philistines and Canaanites...they were invaded by Moses and friends.
opensourcebuddhism 2 weeks ago
@opensourcebuddhism the arabs won't re-invade anything. they couldn't do it when Israel was a sliver of indefensible land, they sure as hell can't now. The Philistines invaded that land. practically every nation on earth came about through one group usurping another. the "palestinians" were offered citizenship in israel from the beginning. they rejected not only citizenship, but their own state time and time again because they wanted it all sans jews. i have no sympathy for them, at all.
BillKiernan 2 weeks ago
@BillKiernan Well, you have no sympathy for Palestinians. Take a look at the Golan Heights tank battles on Netflix...maybe hundreds of Soviet tanks taken out by five or so US -made Israeli tanks. I suppose you must hope the US remains rich enough to keep bankrolling that military. When we run out of money in the US for that nonsense, they may find a need to stop encroaching on what remains of Palestinian land. They don't want to kill all the Jews, they want a secular state like we have here.
opensourcebuddhism 2 weeks ago
@opensourcebuddhism "They don't want to kill all the Jews, they want a secular state like we have here" wow. you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. haven't read the Hamas or Hezbollah charters have you?
BillKiernan 2 weeks ago
@opensourcebuddhism i'll help you since you've not done your homework: "These are the motives. As to the objectives: discarding the evil, crushing it and defeating it, so that truth may prevail, homelands revert [to their owners], calls for prayer be heard from their mosques, announcing the reinstitution of the Muslim state. Thus, people and things will revert to their true place" Hamas charter article 9, Motives and Objectives.
BillKiernan 2 weeks ago
@BillKiernan Theodore Herzl, Zionist founder:
"We must expropriate gently the private property on the state assigned to us. We shall try to spirit the penniless population across the border by procuring employment for it in the transit countries, while denying it employment in our country. The property owners will come over to our side. Both the process of expropriation and the removal of the poor must be carried out discretely and circumspectly." (America And The Founding Of Israel, p. 49
opensourcebuddhism 2 weeks ago
@opensourcebuddhism that's nice. doesn't change the fact that the palestinians overwhelmingly voted for Hamas to govern them and have no interest in a "secular state." there are muslims in the Israeli Knesset, and even in the Israeli army fyi.
BillKiernan 2 weeks ago
@BillKiernan ...and there are anti-Zionist Jews, who oppose Israel actions for the same reasons Palestinians do: they are unjust.
opensourcebuddhism 2 weeks ago
@opensourcebuddhism "opensource buddhism." hmmmm, try building a buddhist center/temple in Israel. Ok, now try it in "Palestine." anyway, you were talking about the plight of the poor palestinians right? where were we? women and homosexuals have it great in "palestine" too compared to Israel. I see your point, Israel is the bad guy, you've convinced me. I watched the golan heights tank battle thing you talked about. Arabs not having their shit together and getting their asses kicked as usual.
BillKiernan 2 weeks ago
@BillKiernan Nope. "opensourcebuddhism" is all about looking at all the religions of the planet, hence "open source". I think it is fair to say Arabs had their act together during the 700 or so years of Umayyad and Abbasid caliphate. That is a long time, the Empires, vast. What I like about traditional Indian and Chinese religions is that do not view a deity as a landlord, boss over some land or other. They generally fail to understand this conflict.
opensourcebuddhism 2 weeks ago
@opensourcebuddhism What about the ancient Abracadabran people? You know, the native people of all of Europe and America. Oh, did I forget to mention that the Abracadabrans happen to be Arab Muslims identical to all other Arab Muslims. And they want to exterminate all non Arab Muslims and even moderate Muslims. But I'm sure you wouldn't be fascist enough to hold that against them. Stop occupying Muslim land!
AntiFascist2011 1 week ago
@AntiFascist2011 Well, sorry you are so filled with hatred. That is what makes for these ridiculous wars! Christians and Jews also plan a planetary takeover...why single out Muslims?
opensourcebuddhism 1 week ago
@opensourcebuddhism I don't hate anyone. Muslims are people who have been brainwashed by an evil ideology. They are victims too. Christians and Jews do not want to conquer the world or force people to convert. Jews just want to left alone. Christians want to share the good news and let people choose. Islam has Sharia Law. Read the Quran and the Hadith. Tell me what you think of Muhammad and his followers. Muhammad was a cross between Hitler and Genghis Khan.
AntiFascist2011 1 week ago
@AntiFascist2011
-Judaism-3600 years old
-Jewish Jesus created Christianity-2012 years ago
-Islam-1380 years old
-Read the Dead Sea Scrolls -History's greatest archeological finding
JUDEA (JEWS) & Somaria anyone?...
Zabaloola 1 week ago
@AntiFascist2011
The Jewish people were exiled from Israel by the Babylonians in 586 BCE. They survived, returned to Israel after 70 years, and then built the Second Temple. Then in 70 CE, the Romans destroyed the Second Temple, causing the Jews to go into exile once again.
Therefore, we see two different uniquenesses:
A. The only nation exiled twice from their own land
B. The only nation to ever survive and return from a previous exile
Zabaloola 1 week ago
@AntiFascist2011
Jews remained a people despite exile and dispersion. In all of human history, there have been less than ten exiles of an entire people out of their country. It’s a highly unusual phenomenon to take a whole people and throw them out of their country.
Multiple exiles are unheard of, since after the first one the people generally disappear—they simply become assimilated among other peoples. In human history, multiple exiles and dispersion are unique only to the Jewish people.
Zabaloola 1 week ago
@Zabaloola Makes ya think doesn't it? ;) God still has a place for His people.
AntiFascist2011 1 week ago
@AntiFascist2011
Muhammad was a man of war
"Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them (Qur'an 9:5)
Over 100 Qur'anic verses instruct believers to wage Jihad against unbelievers
According to him, Allah commanded to take up arms
He crushed the Quraysh, Hawazin & Thaqif tribes (refused to convert)
Laid siege to BANU QAYNUQA (EARLY JEWISH TRIBE) until they surrendered
He began efforts to conquer BYZANTIUM (CHRISTENDIUM) & Persia
Zabaloola 1 week ago
@AntiFascist2011 Muslim armies conquered regions that never even heard of Islam before
-Al Islam deen wa dawla - Islam as a religion & state
-Dar el Harb - War
-Dar el Islam - Global Caliphate
-Fatah -constant expansion
-Umah- Muslim nation
-Jews & Christians ("People of the Book") given 3 choices:
1)Death
2)Conversion
3)Paying Jizya (heavy tax, severely restrictive conditions & humiliation) 2nd class citizens (Dimmis)
Zabaloola 1 week ago
@Zabaloola All true, friend. I've read the Quran and Hadith for myself and seen that Muhammad was a forerunner of Hitler. The order to conquer is open ended for the entire world as we can see today with Muslims massacring Christians in places like Nigeria. The Islamic Caliphate introduced the Yellow Star to be worn by Christians and Jews as symbols of our inferiority. That practice was revived by the Nazis. Hitler praised Islam and set up a Waffen SS unit for Muslims.
AntiFascist2011 1 week ago
@domthebfg It is obvious you are an Israeli. Only israelis and Zionists say the Palestinian people are an invention. Comments like this are typical Israeli propaganda.
You are pretending to be a former anti Israeli activist, whilst all the while, planning and plotting to steal more of the Holy Land by deception and conivance.
TheChutzpahGirl 1 month ago
@TheChutzpahGirl Surely the palestinians are exactly the same as Jordanians?
Could it be that the arbitrary line drawn by the British between Jordan and so-called Palestine just so happened to be exactly where the two groups were living? Palestinians on the left and Jordanians on the right?
I very much doubt it. There is a conspiracy and that is between some Arabs from many countries to destroy the Jew. Thay use the "palestinians" as pawns.
copperload 1 month ago
@domthebfg
There is no such thing as a 'former anti-Israeli activist'. Those who are 'anti-Israeli' become more so, not less.
No one is jealous of Israelis, not even the Arabs who live under the Occupation.
There will be a One State Solution, with the return of all refugees, and full compensation for the land and assets stolen by the Jews of Israel.
TheChutzpahGirl 1 month ago
@TheChutzpahGirl no, they'll try and divide the land, we'll see a third world war and the complete defeat of all nations that go against israel, just like the 6 day war, just like nazi germany
domthebfg 1 month ago
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@domthebfg 'the conflict exist because of Jealousy against israeli's amongst the arabs'
Of course. Islam demands Muslims live in the 7th century, and 21rst century Israel makes them look bad.
Plus, the so called "Palestinian issue" makes a great distraction from Allah's imperative for Muslims to dominate the world.
"Look what you made us do! There are Jews here! If you would let us kill them all, there would be no problem. Islam is a religion of peace! Look what you made us do!"
SheikhTaqiyyameister 3 weeks ago
The reason that the Arabs are as impoverished as they are is because that is the way that their leadership WANTS them to be. I is HISTORY, not an opinion and if history isn't good enough for you, tough. The Israelis, the bulk of them, want to live side-by-side with their Arab neighbors. ONLY in Israel are Arab women treated like human beings; in all Islamic cultures in the middle east, women are 15th class citizens.
bevkurtin 1 month ago
Well, isn't that special...someone misusing my name who doesn't even know how to spell Palestine. Palestine is the name the Romans gave the land of Judea. The term Palestinian was invented by an Egyptian by the name of Arafat; it didn't exist until 1964l Do the Arabs have any rights to a state? Of course. They were GIVEN ONE by the UN. Instead of accepting it they said NO. Ishmael was NOT promised any land; only Issac and that was what is now Israel. Ishmael is described in Genesis 16...
bevkurtin 1 month ago
1:35 Arabian Gulf
SexMoooT 1 month ago
Long live Israel!
plashchynski 1 month ago
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Since 62 years no solution - Why did the UN and G 20 not help to find a solution for peace and a Palestinian land
We have more than 1 million Palestinian refugees living in Jordan, Syria and Lebanon Camps, all these people want to return to their homeland in Palestine.
Ban Ki Mon, UN are obliged to work together to send the Palestinian people back to their own land.
news778 1 month ago
The lands that Jews were expelled from had lived in those lands before ISLAM! How many Israeli refugee camps do you hear of? NONE, because they accepted each and every person wanting to emigrate to Israel. NO ARAB COUNTRY HAS ACCEPTED THEIR ARAB BRETHREN, NONE! Israel has accepted the Vietnamese boat people, they flew in the Etheopeans who were threatened with death. Israel has accepted immigrants from all over the world who are escaping their homelands. Get your story right before lying.
bevkurtin 1 month ago
@bevkurtin i think so that is the reason they used phosphate bombs to kill people in war against palatine
alikool0001 1 month ago
Madagascar was NEVER a thought in the Jewish mind. Gentiles thought that the Jews would be happy in Uganda. GENTILES, not Jews. There is one thing missing in any other country other than Israel: JERUSALEM. We have prayed for thousands of years to be back in Jerusalem; your "history" is defective. As a matter of FACT more Jews were thrown out of Arab countries that Arabs left Israel. Israel BEGGED the Arabs to stay, but the left on the promise of their leaders that they would destroy Israel.
bevkurtin 1 month ago
@bevkurtin ya by bombing them and by throwing them out of there own houses which were owned by them for hundreds of years
alikool0001 1 month ago
To Buddhist open...I am a Jew. I believe in the Tenach; the Jewish bible. I fully accept that Abraham was promised the land of Israel as an everlasting possession. Show me where any other group of people were promised by the Creator of the Universe where anyone was given a promise like that except for the Arabs who were promised a different land entirely. Buddhists have no god but themselves, I do not expect you to accept the Tenach.
bevkurtin 1 month ago
You miss a large amount of crucial history in your brief assessment. For one thing, the Zionist Congress was still debating where the Jewish state would be before Herzl died, and were still considering that Madagascar might be more suitable in the long-term, but after WW2 started this agreement became impossible.
Also, The expulsion of Palestinians began before the war in 1948 - Jews owned a minority percentage of Mandate Israel and had no other means of achieving an ethnic majority.
JimmyeDallas 2 months ago
OpensourceBuddism : re: your example of taking back Belfast. That IS what many of "the celts" wished to do with Belfast, in the late 20th Century, with substantial sympathy and support from Irish Americans, and co-operation with anti-Zionist regimes such as Gaddaffi.
And if it was wrong for the IRA and Irgun to talk of a race's ownership of land, surely it is equally wrong for Hamas and others wishing to extirpate the Israeli's and the state of Israel? Have a thoughtful XMas.
CBfrmcardiff 2 months ago
@CBfrmcardiff I am actuallly from the Protestant side of Ireland. That they are there is a sign of a Protestant takeover of the north with the aid of the British, just as the British enabled Israel. It is wrong for Hamas and friends to want to extirpate Israel, it is not wrong from them to want and to have a state. It is wrong for Israel to continue to extirpate them with these further settlements.
opensourcebuddhism 2 months ago
islam was is and it will be for ever
la ilahi illah illa muhammad ur rasul allah
alikool0001 2 months ago
@alikool0001 I'm afraid you are wrong-as all will be gone soon
regardingwave 1 month ago
@regardingwave all Arab tribes are also decedents of Abraham not only the Jews
and Semites in Jewish population are very few nearly extinct . all left are gentiles or semi smites
alikool0001 1 month ago
You have lied in your moronic attempt at rewriting history. Only ONE GROUP of people were ever promised Israel: Abraham and his descendants. The Arabs were promised a totally different land. I thought that Buddhism taught some truth; now I know it does not.
bevkurtin 2 months ago
@bevkurtin Bev, EVERYONE was "promised" land. How about I go and take over a home in Belfast, whence my people came? That was Celtic land and I am half Celt. What if a Canaanite wants his land back? Can he just take an Israeli home? The truth is that what Israel has one in Palestine matches the brutal conquest of Moses and the Jugdges. That is my problem with the religion and god of Abraham...all the violence and certainty. Buddhism is not like that.
opensourcebuddhism 2 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism And what if the Native Americans wanted their land back, across the entire hemisphere, and the Maoris and other Aboriginal peoples around the world? The difference with the Jews and the land of Israel, is that it is a return to a homeland, not the colonization of a new one. You need to work on your history some more. Read the part about the brutal progroms, evictions and land and property confiscations in Arab states after Israel's acceptance into the UN. Remove the blinders.
bman342a 1 month ago
@opensourcebuddhism "EVERYONE was "promised" land." is not biblically correct. Israel is the only area of territory that God ever promised to a particular group and that group is the descendants of Jacob/Israel.
The occupants were deemed by God to be worthy of severe judgement as was all the Earth's population when God destroyed it with a flood. Worse is to come if you read what the Bible says will yet happen. You can trust God though. Love God and you will want to do what He wants. He is good
copperload 1 month ago
Good video
siriusstar10000 2 months ago
The land was promised to the midgets. Then the giants ate the midgets, and sold the land to the purple monkeys. The purple monkeys were slaves until 1905, and then in 1492 the cheese empire was formed by angry Turks. This is the birth of Jesus, who was the grandfather of John Wayne!
jbearden 2 months ago
Great video, Palestine never existed before the British mandate, i.e. their are people alive today who remember a time when "Palestine" didn't exist LOL! Funny the leftists and muslim sharia terrorist say Israel is a bully considering Arabia spans from western Africa to almost China in a giant empire run with Sharia law. Israel geographically is an ant in comparrison, Palestinians are Jordanian you can trace their bloodline.Anti-Semitism is ripe here with Hitler apologists scared of true history
TreeSmoke1999 2 months ago
@TreeSmoke1999 "Palestine" is a name going back to the Philistines of the 14th century BCE...what do you mean it never existed? You mean, because the British "owned" it? You say they are Jordanians, but in fact both regions were administered by the Ottomons. I suppose too, there was no Israel until 1948, or is it an ancient name? Whatever you say, the fact is millions of people were kicked out of homes they lived in, one I knew, since the year 900. That is a long time to live in a home.
opensourcebuddhism 2 months ago 2
@opensourcebuddhism Oh Moh was kind to Jewish people? I am confused as someone told me that the Palestine themselves are the Jewish who lived there but they just converted to Muslims. I feel sorry for all. We don't need war though.
eflwinnie 2 months ago
@eflwinnie Yes, people don't know their history on the Jewish Palestinian issue...the Jews were deported en masse after revolt against the Romans in 135...that is how so many end up in central Europe. The people there were descendants of Roman settlers and Arab Muslim invaders arriving approximately the seventh century. About 1% of the population had remained Jewish throughout the centuries...not more than that.
opensourcebuddhism 2 months ago
i've been thinking.. it's a very small piece of land. why not argue over something a bit more substantial? australia? it might even be worth the bloodshed.
theotendleeey 3 months ago
totally biased crap
Jacob2Israel 3 months ago
Muhammed when he established the constitution of medina said Muslims Jews and christains should exist peacefully together since we all believe in Abraham and we are all monotheistic religions and even though I am jewish I believe this would be a brilliant Idea since we are all brethren
czarsean1 3 months ago
@czarsean1 yes , we are all brethren ,but its just unbelievable to say jesus is god
jaberalsalamah 3 months ago
@czarsean1 That is wrong read the bible to know what muhamamd did and wrote in his book... no jews was alive in his time in medina... you are not a jew if you dont know our book
Nashamoshe 2 months ago
@Nashamoshe As I read in Quran, Moh didn't like Jewish. Maybe I am wrong as I am not both.
eflwinnie 2 months ago
@eflwinnie That is very true. There are many references in Quran to Killing all non believers including Jews and Christians (kafirs or infidels) Sura9: 29
Nashamoshe 2 months ago
First human that set foot on the land is Abraham, so land belongs to both Muslims and Jews, but Jews are greedy as always.
ilfaraone7 3 months ago
Israel is a state that was offered by the west and the British occupying forces to the Zionists , while the most of the 600000 Jews who were there at? the time were migrants , and although the Arabs did not accept the partition plan , theirs was a voice in the wildenes , the voice of the people who lived there for? centuries was ignored , israel was imposed on the palestenians and the neighbering countries ,,,, for me , this is a war decleration , this is the root cause of the problem
Pledgeist 4 months ago
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fuck off fucking zionist killer
teedeearr 4 months ago
My allah is not allah of the muslims, but this allah of the muslims is evil is the devil!!! My allah is Yehovah Eloah Halleluyah amin
Ahridium777 4 months ago
@Ahridium777 you are total fuckin crazy jew
teedeearr 4 months ago
@teedeearr yeah i be better one, that a shitty muzlüm islami!
Ahridium777 2 months ago
@Ahridium777 allah means God in arabic , it is pointless not to say it without translation
Pledgeist 4 months ago
@Pledgeist don't tell me what allah means in arabic, i know! but some of them say, allah is the name of god, well thats wrong, and the allah of muslims is a killer, he give right to kill, while our allah say: we should not kill nor murder! So this is clear that this allah the muslim have is:Devil!!!
Ahridium777 4 months ago
@Ahridium777 what u say is based on impressions , not on arguments , and yes , in the torah , it is said not to murder , well , let tell you that that it is far from what's going on the ground
Pledgeist 3 months ago
by dna the iraqi kurds are the closest to the semitic jews
the dominant halo type of the muslim kurds is eu9=j2(semitic)
rasheed1660 4 months ago
@rasheed1660 So you mean Kurdish people are Jewish people? I think they mixed between Persian and Semitic.
eflwinnie 2 months ago
@eflwinnie kurdish are not jewsih people, some had later intermarriage with jews, but yes between persians and arabic mix
Ahridium777 2 months ago
@rasheed1660 bullshit, a big lie!
Ahridium777 2 months ago
Chapter 2:140: Or say you that Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob and the twelve sons of Jacob were Jews or Christians? Say (of Muhammad), 'Do you know better or does Allah? And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony he has from Allah?' And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
rasheed1660 4 months ago
@rasheed1660 Allah was anyway a shatan a false god, cause he commanded to kill, my allah does not ommand this, my allah is not ur allah, you allah is shatan!!!!
Ahridium777 4 months ago
In Chapter 3:65-67: O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you dispute about Abraham, while the Torah and the Gospel were not revealed till after him? Have you then no sense? Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was a true Muslim (worshiper of none but Allah alone) and he joined none in worship with Allah.
rasheed1660 4 months ago
@rasheed1660 the torah and the gospel were in fact revealed to him see here: John 8:56 >>
Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad."
Ahridium777 4 months ago
sumerians are the dark dravidians and the elamites were a afro asiatic people also like dark indians
rasheed1660 4 months ago
@rasheed1660 sumerians are europeans and no darvidians you pashtuni dirty ass, dont mix up things, put your lie in ur ass.
Ahridium777 4 months ago
the pashtun people are from joktan ! buqayin bin Joktan bin Eber settled on the cophen river(kabul river)
rasheed1660 4 months ago
@rasheed1660 dont bullshitt arround you, pashtuni has nothing to do with the semitic world, pashtuni are indians and islam is to clean my ass.
Ahridium777 4 months ago
@Ahridium777 Pashtuni are relevant to Persian or a bit mixing with Indian no Arabic at all.
eflwinnie 2 months ago
@eflwinnie pashtuni are notbrelevant to persians, persians are a clean arian tribe, pashtuni not, while iranian are also mixed with arabic as pashtuni too!
Ahridium777 2 months ago
Prophet IshmaelPBH was half chaldean and his wife was from the cousins of the chaldeans the people of joktan Qahtani arabs!
rasheed1660 4 months ago
@rasheed1660 ishmael wa snot arab and chaldeans were not arabs and jokhtan were not arabs but chaldean arameans. arabs the word came very late with the qur'an not b4, dont mix up shitt!!!
Ahridium777 4 months ago
from Prophet Jacob(Israel) the bani Israel came from
people of madyan came from Prophet Abraham PBH and Keturah Prophet Shu ayb is a descendant of Prophet AbrahamPBH
Adnani Arabs come from Prophet Ishmaeel PBH who married into the bani jurhum who com from joktan son of eber
edomites come from Prophet Isaacs son Esau who married the daughter of Prophet Ishmael PBH and were semitic not europeans!
amalikites come from lud son of shem not Esau! Imliq was son of Lud
rasheed1660 4 months ago
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Prophet Abraham PBH was neither jew or christian he was a chaldean semitic in features with a oval face wavy black hair arched eyebrows not looking like a european or aryan
rasheed1660 4 months ago
@rasheed1660 Semitic doesn't look like European.
eflwinnie 2 months ago
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rasheed1660 4 months ago
neither side is right,both are wrong.NO ONE can judge or say who is right.Both are looked upon with shame by our creator.It's a nice video with a good history,But you did not live that history so you will never know what is true and false.
ezfla 4 months ago
is the holy land that god promised not heaven and all that. Is the holy land not heaven. why are they fighting over a physical land.
cheesyrichardhead 4 months ago
Make Jerusalem a municipal independent governement (with UN apointed mayor) where both can have government offices and foreign embassies, give the pre-1967 borders back to palestinians, allow both into the EU for economical integration and Israel into NATO as a safeguard for its existence and allow only a gendarmerie type of militia to palestine (but make other arab states guarantors of its security and finally demolish all the settlements. Done!
greenday1978 4 months ago
that map is bullshit
jondummitt 5 months ago
THE LAND WAS PROMISED TO ONLY 1 NATION
sarahgittel 5 months ago
@sarahgittel Indeed Sarah! The land of Canaan was promised to...the Canaanites (just ask Ba'al!)! You have demonstrated a great awareness competency! Congratulations....
opensourcebuddhism 5 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism Yes the Canaanites had received the land, and when Gd saw their ways, He repented and destroyed them and today they are no more. No one exists to say or prove Canaanite. The Baal is THE abohorrance Gd rejected.
Hebrew Nation was forbidden from going in the way of the Baal. Congratulations
sarahgittel 5 months ago
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@opensourcebuddhism Yes, they Canaanites received the land. When Gd saw their ways He repented, and destroyed them. Today, they are no more. No one exists to prove Canaanite. The Baal IS the abhorrance Gd held in contempt.
The Hebrew Nation was specifically forbidden to go in the ways of the Baal, Congratulations
sarahgittel 5 months ago
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sarahgittel 5 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism Archaeological evidence suggests that the the Jews actually are the Canaanites and that the Bibles account is a revision of history that was adopted when the early (harshly oppressive) ruling class was over-thrown. Whether or not that's true is irrelevant because either way the Jewish claim precedes the Arab claim by thousands of years and the Jews have never ceased fighting against all odds to reclaim it. They spent nearly 2000 years as refugees.
fezrockson 2 months ago
You put me to sleep.
petrolbears 5 months ago
There is a book "Palaestina ex Monumentis Veteribus Illustrata"
Link: goo.gl_kqnJS
written by Adriaan Reeland in 1695 (not mistake, I mean 1695) - he visited nearly 2500 settlements in Palestine at that time and wrote in the book that most of population of Palestine were jews, the rest were christians and only very little were muslims (beduins).
So this is definitely jewish land. Muslims came later, when there already was jewish majority, but now muslims complain that jews occupied Palestine.
CleverManX 7 months ago 3
@CleverManX CleverMan, I found this about Adriaan Reeland in wikipedia: Although he never ventured beyond the borders of the Netherlands, he was also acclaimed as a cartographer[4
So how do you claim he visited Palestine to find mostly Jews there? My sources say about 1 percent Jewish prior to the immigration by pogrom victims. Where did those Jews go? Why wasn't Palestine then, easily made a Jewish state if they were the majority...many, many questions about your claim....
opensourcebuddhism 7 months ago 2
@opensourcebuddhism - Wikipedia is not reliable source - one can write there that Reeland visited Palestine (link "4" doesn't exist).Anyway,in the time when he lived there was no Israeli-palestinian conflict,so he didn't have any interest in fabricating facts.
The issue is not why jews did not create their country at that time,the issue is that there were no muslims in Palestine, so muslims' claim of jewish occupation is BS (arabs are foreigners there).
BTW, Reeland is not a single source.
CleverManX 7 months ago
@CleverManX This is just so ignorant what you are saying. No Muslims in Palestine in 1695? odd that the Ottomon (Muslim) empire governed it, but had no officials there. Arabs do not belong in Palestine you say? What about the original Canaanites? They were there before any Jews...Semitic peoples in fact. And I suppose the Muslim who told me his family had lived in their home since about the year 900 was just lying, right? Just google "Jewish occupation of Palestine map" and see it all....
opensourcebuddhism 7 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism
Israeli representative in UN: "I want to tell you something about Moses. He came to water and decided to swim.
Moses removed clothes, put them aside and entered the water. When he got out his clothes had vanished. A Palestinian had stolen them!"
The Palestinian representative jumped and shouted, "What are you talking about? The Palestinians weren't there then."
The Israeli representative smiled and said, "And now that we have made that clear, I will begin my speech."
CleverManX 7 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism - It is not what I said, this is what Reeland said in his book.
You talked about to count ottomans as palestinians - would you count british solders in India as indians during British Empire? And then what british solders in Palestine during British Mandat? - are they counted as palestinian arabs, jews or christians?
I'm curious - do you know the history of your family before 1000 years? And your friends know about their? - sure, you understand why I'm asking :)
CleverManX 7 months ago
@CleverManX and the US was once controlled by indian tribes- those who give credence to history just make their arguments that much flaccid- u could cite history to prove your point and i can cite equally valid history that contradicts yours, its ridiculous to even use history to settle the tension in the middle-east, its an argument that's un-winnable, as this conflict with be "never ending"
carlo88moe 2 months ago
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aboalaagalal 7 months ago
JEWISH CALENDAR IS 5771 years Islam Mohammed 1,486 years.So who was where for over 4000 years Jews were around 4000 years before Islam Wake up to this.
Theknopf 8 months ago 2
@Theknopf even the jews only claim their religion to be 3,000 years old...ur wrong
chickenppox 7 months ago
due to this video, im pretty sure most of them do NOT know this:
-Why peace can NOT be done? watch this:
watch?v=63hTOaRu7h4
-what is Israel's problem to come back to 1967 borders? watch this:
watch?v=ytWmPqY8TE0
itayherz 8 months ago 2
losing land what the arabs' fault
one in 1947 when 7 arabs armies attacked Israel (the Jewish accepted the partition, the arabs didnt)
and they didnt learn.. they attacked again at 1967 the year when the west bank, gaza and other areas passed to be under israeli control
and this is a bulshit video and maps
itayherz 8 months ago
@itayherz I suppose we can say the same about the Native Americans and Tibetans too then...they, like the Palestinians, deserved to lose their land...cuz someone with better weapons took it, right? The maps do not lie sir, and you know this is true....
opensourcebuddhism 8 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism
ho stop saying bulshit things this is our land too and actually its not your
you guys didnt accept the partition and attacked us in 1948(7 arabs armies)and you lost land
you didnt want peace you didnt learn and attacked again in 1967
you are terrorist who dont want peace at all
and there have NEVER been, NEVER IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD a state which was not jewish
israel is the third autonomic state in this area(after the first and second kindom- both of their were jewish)
itayherz 8 months ago 2
@opensourcebuddhism now lest take a look on your bulshit maps at 9:46
first of all, it was NOT palestine land.. it was under the british control
first map bulshit --> there were a lot Jewish in the desert, there were NO NO NO palestines people there
third and 4 maps--> where is the golan highs? the Golan, in the north is part of Israel and not syria!!
I can give you facts, you cant give me..
you guys could have a country in 1948- you didnt want to
itayherz 8 months ago 2
@opensourcebuddhism Except that you are missing very salient points form his post, and from history: the Mandate was actually under control of the British who gave it to Israel - there was no governing body in America; & the locals were not pushed out, they left at the behest of the Arab Higher Committee. Then, after being attacked Israel won the land as well. The maps don't lie, but you do - if only by omission & false analogy.
FlaviaR 5 months ago
@FlaviaR I so forgot how long the British lived in that part of the world Flavia. My goodness, they had every right to control Palestine and give it away. They had a right to control the third of the world they once did. I mean, if you can take something, it is yours, right? You can find that view in the Bible...ask Moses. Geez...they should also have granted a country to the American Indians too.
opensourcebuddhism 5 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism, what you forgot is that the British were administering the territory after the last rulers had been defeated, at the behest of the UN. IOW, there WAS NO COUNTRY THERE. For you to call it "Palestine" as if it was a country is pernicious Your childish lies and posturing about "taking" it proves that even you know how wrong you are about all this - good job!
FlaviaR 5 months ago
@FlaviaR Flavia, fyi, the word "Palestine" refers to the ancient Philistines. It is rather older than even the English nation. People have lived there since, well thousands of years BCE. There was no UN after WWI but the League of Nations. Now, you are telling me the British-controlled League had authority to govern and give away this land. When I was there I met a Palestinian family who had lived in their home since the year 909 CE. Even they outdate Britain.
opensourcebuddhism 5 months ago
@opensourcebuddhism ROFTLOL!! I love it when someone tries the "Philistine" card! All that does is INVALIDATE your claim! They LOST the land in a war - so, there ya go! And yes, the British WON the land in a WAR as well - you may have heard of it - WWI? & yes, the League of Nations did start the whole process - look up the San Reno conference. As for the "Palestinian family living there since 909"? You're either a liar or way too gullible.
FlaviaR 5 months ago
@FlaviaR You know Flavia, your kind of reasoning: Israelites TOOK the land, the British WON the land is so sad. So you won't shed a tear when the day comes and Arabs have their act together and WIN the land back, will you? People like you are the cause of all the bloodshed. I WILL shed many tears on that dreadful day. I know the innocent don't deserve such treatment, no matter who WINS the land, as you put it. I am not gullible, just