You guys have a good message, but we have a chance of getting a libertarian in office who could potentially end the federal department of education. This would be a HUGE move in the advance of voluntarism- less indoctrination of the young people. If you were a slave and your master offered you water or milk, would you just say "nah this system sucks" and not take your pick just to prove a point? Or would you live the best you can while under control despite not sending a message?
@brush200400 The difference is, the choice between your slave owner giving you water or milk does not require support for an aggressively violent system on peaceful people, like in statism...
What is worst is that people now believe that state's rights, government borders, taxation (albeit lower rates), and statism = freedom.... which we know is the opposite of the truth.
Your rational is off. The system itself doesn't need votes to legitimize itself. It only needs to justify it's existence through coercion, which it does daily. Voting is the method by which people involved can influence the course of the statism.
Your path of Passive Resistance is something I can appreciate, but not everyone will agree with non-involvement, and those people should not be held as immoral or unethical for their choice. That would be part of that control through Coercion.
No one is demonizing people who believe they are protecting themselves from coercion. He is suggesting that if you understand that you are using coercion to get your way, you are immoral. The people you write about here consider their actions to be self defense. I have many friends that are libertarian that consider voting self defense.
@Joe11Blue I would rather shape the society towards the nonaggression principle than vote for politicians who advance the ideal that the state is actually able to do some good. I don't know one politician who is a realist/voluntaryist. They all believe in using threats of aggressive coercion on peaceful people who simply disagree.
@mikeshanklin The idea that you are shaping anything outside of your own group of people is assuming a lot.
You are also assuming a lot about people that run for office here as well. I'm finding it hard to accept any explanation that is based on such an irrational assumption of what Individuals are thinking and doing and their motivations.
@mrtapoche1 - I personally like George Carlin on most everything... BUT his stance & logic on voting. That was wrong, and one of the few mistakes he made in logic. Voting is POWER TO THE PEOPLE... not voting allows fewer people to seize control & power, and turns things into what they are NOW!
@mikeshanklin - I'm telling you that 'no body' voting with NEVER HAPPEN... therefore, the ONLY HOPE & CONTROL 'we' that want a positive change and smaller government can honestly hope for is to banned together, and push those candidates which MIGHT BE MORE LIKELY to give us the freedom, liberty, and constitutional rights we want & deserve. The 'no body' part is a fallacy - won't EVER happen, and those not voting are part of the reason we are in the state we're in.
@mikeshanklin - If 'we' want a positive change, then we need to lobby for it - push for it (legally) - and group people that agree with us, TO VOTE... and to take BACK our nation, by putting the right people into office, with the morals, goals, and actual policies WE WANT. 'We' have a create deal of control, and 'we' can educate, advocate, and articulate FOR GIVEN QUALITIES... and continue pushing for smaller government, and more of what we want. That, my stubborn YT friend, is the ONLY way!IMHO
@foghornleg90 No, we must fight for the complete abolishment of statism slavery! In hopes that people in 10,000 years from now will never have to suffer through threats of aggressive coercion on peaceful people. We must end a system that has nothing but threats of aggressive coercion, and enable voluntaryism. No one says things will be peaches and cream/utopia, but it will enable much more personal choice versus voting which matters almost zilch while giving the state sanctuary.
@mikeshanklin - That's almost too funny to even laugh at... worrying about what the state of things will be 10,000 years from now. ROTFLMAO - wow, I'd hate to be in your brain! And I thought worrying about, and striving for positive change in MY lifetime, my kids, & grand-kids was far sighted. Damn... you're 10,000 years out, impressive. Seriously, you need to back crap up about 9900 years, and worry about now & the nearer future! But hey, you give grandiose a new meaning!
@mikeshanklin - legally 'fighting to abolish statism slavery'... I agree. I just do NOT agree that 'not voting' is the best, fastest, rational, or realistic way to accomplish THAT. You really need to think about the logic, reality, and probability of the means in which you think that is LIKELY to be accomplished. We agree upon the problem, and even the end result (goal)... just not the solutions or means in which to 'get there.' And seriously, 10,000 years. WOW - I surely don't care about THAT!
@foghornleg90 So you believe statism can be changed for the good... I don't think an unethical and evil system can be "made good"... it is nothing but threats of aggressive violence on peaceful people. The system is made to go against our goals, it is made to suck people in, and destroy the real message of Freedom, which means no statism slavery at all. There is no other option, the system will not allow real change, and will only place all the systems blame on "freedom people" for "ruining it".
I still agree with statism, I think people are to vulnerable without a state. As amazing as anarchy sounds, I think it would eventually lead to a brutal dictatorship and then a feudal heirachy.
I believe that this dude did a poor job at explaining why not voting is important. I liked it because he has the right idea, but I firmly believe to truly make a difference and have people notice (especially Government) is to do the following:
Go to your voting place and write in "No Confidence" on your ballot. That's what I plan on doing. Because then you are SHOWING them that you care enough to speak your mind and let them know that you have zero faith in our system.
what this guy is talking about, for all you idiots, is the fact that we always get 2 candidates that suck balls, so what is the point in voting for a lesser evil?
I don't vote either, waste of time as there is no one to vote for. Jessie Ventura would be the only one I would vote for and he is not running. Tom Laughlin would have been another one after his Trial Of Billy Jack movie. I didn't understand anything you said. After viewing Tom Laughlin's new messages of making a movie right and all that I don't understand what he was talking about. Jessie Ventura is still on my list though.
you can still right in candidates, even if you do not agree with the policy of either party or candidate. I'm going to vote for Ron Paul, not matter if he's on the ballot or not. I will right him in if that is the case.
"The consequence of not participating in politics is you give and advantage to your inferiors". -Plato
@joeratti so you are one of those spelling check trolls that has no backbone to stand on anything else except spelling errors. Get off youtube doucher
@puncher53 Listen, I truly understand where you are coming from,... but no politician will save you from the state. We must end it completely, not leave it around for generations down the road to clean up later. That is what is unethical. We must end statism completely, because the state is nothing but threats of violence on peaceful people who simply disagree. That is a version of slavery.
This is just stuff modern society waffle, Don`t bother voting? Well, Nobody under forty does anyway, But, The voting system is not really the problem, Your position is false one anyway, Look at history before voting, Complete Dogshit for the masses, So what`s your mandate? Back to that? Fuck off, Besides, Your free not to vote, And they knew twats like you would try to unhinge the system by withdrawing support, But, The system wont break through lack of outright number of votes
@mikeshanklin Well, I`m not to sure what you mean, I`m a Socialist, So I believe in state run trains, Water, Electric, All in social healthcare system etc.., So I don`t foresee less Government, But, With votes, If the turn out was higher, They would have to be more open and in favour of the masses to get voted in, You are right though, About that snotty retort people say about not voting, That it means no say, That is beyond stupidity to think that
I still vote...but I completely understand this side of the argument. Watch George Carlin's video eplanation on why he believes people who vote are part of the problem. It's fairly compelling.
some say we are playing into the dialectic system of false choices. Either way you believe, our two party system really represents no real change.
Voting is pure nonsense and is equivalent to doing nothing. Voting is not intended to relinquish or abolish privilege and slavery as it is meant to perpetuate both, a point made by Frank Chodorov. The history of voting is the history of mass murder, theft, and coercion. Those who believe in voting believe that the gun should be used against those who don't consent to the government they live under. Wanting to change government is like trying to change the mafia into a charity group.
@victorious2233 Great response! I'm retarded?!? WOW, you really brought some facts to the table. Tell me... why does society need to vote once we've educated them into the fact that statism has nothing but the threat of violence on peaceful people who simply disagree. If you still encourage voting, you don't see the reality of the world yet... that statism will NEVER bring us anything good, because it is physically impossible.
Your arguments against Statism are correct as usual. However as a non-violent activist, change is only possible within the system. That the system is dysfunctional is beside the point. The State is always going to have more force than any individual, group or militia. Revolution in our day is only possible through intermittent & accurate snipes within the system. Perhaps you might consider a big sniper with a big gun, Ron Paul in 2012? As all utopias, Randian Heaven is only in one's imagination.
You may not understand how things work but I do, money dictates everything that happens including who we have selected for us to vote on, this is mirage by the very wealthy giving us these canadates that they hand select to vote for, do you not understand these canadates are only there to make the common people think they have a choice, they can only do what the wealthy let them do, prime example HEALTH CARE the insurance industry owns alot of politicians that's why it didn't happen.
If you don't vote your just helping elect the worst of the worst. If you do vote your helping elect the best of the worst. They're all liars and scumbags so while it seems it doesn't matter because you don't know who or what you're truly voting for but suppose you could elect someone that may truly make the country better and you choose not to vote?
If we don't vote, we let 'them' plug in exactly who they want to 'place' in the presidency. we should back Ron Paul and have exit polls everywhere. you have to register republican (i know this hurts) to vote for him in the primary. if you don't vote in the primary they'll plug in another oligarch like Romney which will be more of the same old shite.
maybe you realize that the people that are picked to vote for have been picked by the wealthy, this is the whole problem these people we vote on only work for the wealthy that have sent them there, the middle class does not have true representation these people that have been handed to us are mere puppets for the wealthy or you would not see the top 2% having most of the wealth in the world and the middle class would not be struggeling so hard these days.
@s46d45m17 - You have no clue what you are talking about, and are totally buying into the 'rich control the world' CRAP! If what you said was true, the blacks would still be slaves, women still won't vote, wars that aren't helping the majority of the rich, and the entitlements to drug addicts & alcoholics the rich detest spending money on wouldn't have ever existed. You are correct most politicians worth FOR the wealthy, big corps & unions. Rich only control media - not votes!
@detmersstudios How does me calling out all the candidates equate to me helping candidates?!? I don't want any of them, and I am calling all of them out...
@mikeshanklin - for someone that seems smart, you are missing the POWER OF THE PEOPLE, and the necessity of VOTING. You are young, and ignorant. And the anarchist theory of self ownership & individualism has NOT WORKED in any government, country, or continent, since 1200BC in most books & studies, 250BC in a few. When the population was less, mean age was under 40; not 79.4 of today. It was an old west sorta justice/logic where only the strong survived & the weak packed up in small towns.
@mikeshanklin - 'calling out all the candidates' and evaluating their character, integrity, honor, love of this country, ethics, logic, and ability to honestly deal with things for the benefit of 'THE CITIZENS' is a great goal; worthwhile expenditure of your time, and something I try to do also. However, I support PUSHING THE BEST CANDIDATE THROUGH THE PRIMARIES. I don't (yet) think Ron Paul is honestly electable, but appreciate MOST of his ideas & goals. Change from within through VOTING!
people vs. the state is THE paradigm. left vs. right, black vs. white, north vs. south, gay vs. christian, east coast vs. west coast are all divides of the people, divide and conquer.
Great, don't vote. That way we don't have dumbasses like you voting people like Obama into Office. Our system of Government was based on the vote. Don't vote and you give them what they want. The system of tyrants is based on not voting. Your "brilliant" theory of not voting may sound great at round table discussions by intellectuals over a Latte' at starbucks, but in reality it doesn't work.
@1911HeadBanger what does it matter if you vote or not if they do what they want anyway? thats not democracy, eventhough im not pro-democracy anyway. democracy is freedom for 51%, the rest s.o.l. also, two choices? oh yeah, much better than one choice. i think your right, people should vote, but only if the system is real.
Doug Casey doesn't vote either for the same reason. Personally, I think Ron paul shouldn't run in 2012. The ship is sinking, why does he want to be on it?!
@lukasewing. Investor. Hates and loathes the idea of the state. Poltical athiest. He's been a guest on Stefan Molyneaux's Fredomain YouTube Channel. Blunt like Jim Sinclair but with some humor. Casey has a YouTube channel but I can't recall the name.
I'm interested in your ideas Mike, but I can't fully buy into the voluntary society thing. What will prevent an oligarchy from quickly rising if we don't have a gov't to set limits. We should know by now that people won't stop it.
If u vote u already had ur saying and u can't complain. If u already know the system is rigged (as most of us with brains) and for that reason not voting u have all the rights to complain on anything the so called "rulers" attempt on doing. You can't change this rotten system from "the inside", it will change YOU or it will dispose you..
@DackIsBack Yeah anarchy. Lets throw 10.000 years of though and fight into the toilet. The system is good and fair most of the times. You work hard, get brave and results will come to you. Lets throw away some corruption, thats all, not simple at all.
When both parties have little difference between them, and third parties are ineffectual, not voting sounds like a good option. Though I’m secretly hoping that more and more people start waking up from the illusion of choice and start voting third party. Perhaps then there will be a serious game change.
So what do you advocate? How do you initiate change if not by demanding change by using your public voice.. the vote. You argue for change but you offer no practical solution. It matters little what you call the process, it matters completely that it is for the people, by the people. In order to achieve that noble platitude we MUST have a recorded, public, accountable record of the will of the people, and if not by the vote then how?
Athenian Democracy was "by the people, for the people." They voted to poison Socrates to death for his beliefs! I fail to see why democratic process is a good one.
@BanditoWalrusGames It's only good if the people are educated about the issues that plague society. Only people who actually have technical skills and knowledge are capable of having a successful democracy. Instead, we have a bunch of brainwashed sheep who are only out to satisfy their own egos.
@S0up3rD0up3r Democracy is nothing but mob rule tyranny. It is actually in stark contrast to Freedom and the nonaggression principle. If you support democracy, you are anti-Freedom.
The Majority in where I live hath decreed that gays are not allowed to participate in the religious ceremony of marriage, even if their religion is okay with it. Majorities in the past have legislated that blacks were inferior to whites. Majority vote has suppressed free speech.
There are plenty of examples of where a majority vote has lead to tyranny and oppression. Just because it is the majority who rules does not mean that they will rule well or fairly.
@BanditoWalrusGames Things can go wrong, but that doesn't mean that we let go of the system we use, in any situation. We'd be nowhere now if we did it that way. People are fighting to straighten how things work. Its not about letting go.
I dont vote! Regestering to vote gives them power over you.And its bullshit.They put into office who they see fit.Voting shows that the fisadi is still working.Dont vote!Dont play the game.Show them you dont want any of them!
@mikeshanklin I used to not vote, but now I do, simply because I still have hope that maybe, just maybe Ron Paul will get elected, he's a step in the right direction towards freedom and individualism.
I'd like to know what your opinion of Black Bloc is, they continually destroy things, cars, private property, harm individuals, at the these protests to try and initiate a negative response from the police to shut down the protests.
I have never heard of anyone saying if you don't vote you don't have a right to complain. What people say is 'If you don't vote, don't bitch' most commonly, 'to me about it' usually taken to be implied. What's not voting going to accomplish? Most of the country doesn't vote and you can see what that's lead to.
You need a more balanced view about what you call the 'state'. For instance do you ever give credit to the cop that solved a crime or helped someone or do you only see the abusive ones?
"If you don't vote, you're allowing the worst candidate to win."
But the worst candidate is always the one who wins. Don't matter who, that person is the worst simply because he/she won. The best election will be the one without a winner.
@Ovalshine - Until or unless 'None of the Above' is 'written in' on ballets... and the US Government is forced to deal with THAT, because a majority ELECTED NO ONE... there must be some plan of positive action, besides just 'not voting' (which changes NOTHING POSITIVE, and merely allows a minority of citizens to control THIS COUNTRY). It's clearly YOUR LIFE, but if you really care about change - then you'll lobby for some real positive change.
@foghornleg90 your viewpoint legitimizes the process. You're saying that if you "win" it's ok. What we are saying is that everyone should do their own thing without me telling you (by proxy) what to do with your life.
@MrPisster - fewer than 10% of the America adults over 18 PLACED owe-bum-a & congress INTO office... doesn't take very many to effect a positive change. NOT VOTING is LUNACY, and accepts that you GIVE CONTROL to OTHERS. Enjoy that thought AND REALITY.
@foghornleg90 Using "ALL CAPS" doesn't make what you're saying "REALITY". We are saying that the state is not a legitimate enterprise and you're saying we must participate it in anyway. Let me put it in terms you'll understand: VOTING GIVES CONTROL TO OTHERS, by gum -that's exactly what a vote is! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
@MrPisster - NOT voting gives control to others... voting intelligently at least off sets a stupid vote. 1-1=0 If you honestly want change, then get off your butt & lobby for it... and help get the better people in office! THEN 'we' have some hope. If there are no good people - then lobby for them, or maybe even run yourself. The American Dream - alive & well. BY THE WAY, I'm pretty sure you were able to read & understand those parts EMPHASIZED, huh? ROTF
@foghornleg90 Not true, I give no one else control when I do not vote, you are just brainwashed into statist propaganda... America is the land of the free, not voting is slavery and stupid, the system can do GOOD!....
@mikeshanklin - I agree that it's bull shit... but IF you live in America, under the current system, and you don't vote - then YOU ARE giving up what few rights you have. That is your choice, but don't fool yourself into thinking reality is something different than what it is. ONLY through voting, going off grid, or moving to a different country might one gain control legally. Thinking otherwise is irrational, unrealistic, and fallacy.
@foghornleg90 You're a brick-head. "run yourself. The American Dream - alive & well." wow you are really brainwashed to the core if you think "anyone can be president", maybe we'll all be astronauts and firemen some day too?
If you vote, they win, if you dont, they win. But if you dont vote, there is there is the chance that if someone threw themselves into protecting true justice, we would have left that person without a rope to hangon to, no evidence of our though and so we will fall together. Keep hope up.
@burns83 - voting in silence, not lobbying for the things you believe, helping enlist (legally) others to vote with you - for the cause or person you support & want, is pretty useless. Evaluating the negatives, the side effects, the unconstitutionality and reality is vital... if we expect to improve anything. Hope doesn't come for passivity, silence, nor violence. It CAN come from assertive, intelligent, planned education - advocation, and lobbying.
If your talking about the federal elections, I would agree to a point. Voting in local elections is more important. The mayor and local repesentitives are out of control and drunk with power right now. So VOTE for the right person in the local elections and start reversing the damage from the city level on up.
@rawfodog75 - All the way to the top... WE have the power, in numbers... fewer than 1 in 10 people over the age of 18 are directly responsible for who is in the whitehouse & congress. FEWER THAN... it sure wouldn't take very many to really make a difference!
@lordy500 - dude, what type of drugs are you on?? Your articulation of the verbosity of the English language is impressive (not), and demonstrates your keen higher education, and desire for positive change and sense of reality within the world. Yee ha! Enjoy your fantasy world, but I think you might have clicked on the wrong post.
@lordy500 thats not nice. wait till the british remember who they are and then it may be you who is doing the dieing, and by that i mean the inhabitants of those isles used to be warriors, now they are generally human cattle, being someone who is ethnically from those lands, but living in a forigen place, its saddening to watch what is happening over their right now, let alone north america.
I agree that you have a right to complain no matter what, but sitting on the sidelines and refusing to partake is pretty childish. Vote in the primaries. There are usually great people on the ticket who never make it past the primaries because the are shanghaied by the media. I can understand not voting in general elections sometimes, but sitting the whole thing out? That's whiny. Plus, what you're advocating will only justify more ignorance.
@mikeshanklin - seriously, if you were 'educated' you WOULD VOTE... and your 'bitching' would be to lobby for the freedoms and logic you proclaim to have. Your mentality and words merely relinquish power to the system, or knowingly choose to live outside it... which gives them greater power and more controls (through laws & regulations) over you, your life, and your future. Lobby for positive change, expose the corruption, and vote it out of power!
Good point ive never voted and never will its a corrupt system and not even worth voting. The best thing to do is to expose the system for its corruption and try and wake up other people who are going to vote. If you talk to people and come from a point of love and just say your a political atheist then explain your reason for not voting and why they should not vote people do listen. Education is the key, "you cant expect a unintelligent person to make a intelligent decision".
So complaining to the people we didn't vote for, and exposing their corruption will save us? How? Politicians are seldom held accountable in a court of law. They only care about being exposed because people won't vote for them. Seems to me that if you don't vote they could care less if you expose them or not.
@whitetuber - sadly, less than 9% of the citizens over 18 yrs old and eligible to vote ARE RESPONSIBLE for the government controls, because over 82% do not vote. Shame shame... do the math... if you want positive change, stop bitching, start lobbying, and get off your butt and vote for the positive changes!
@foghornleg90 You don't have to be a legal citizen to vote, man. You just have to be a "resident". Stop spraying the stuff that has us where we are now. I'll send you some stuff if you want to learn how the system is really working.
@foghornleg90 I take it back. You are correct. You DO know how the system works. Obviously you're benefiting from it somehow. Do yourself a favor. (and all of us) Lose the brainwashing that has taken this country by storm for the past 230 plus years and ditch it. Now! I'll say it again. If you want the facts and lose the brainwashing... then we can talk. Otherwise, have a nice day. :)
@TungstenOrWolfram - under different circumstances, I would love to... because change is obvious... and needed. And it's not gained in the way that 'the government' (for decades) has been doing it, and 'we the people' have allowed, through not voting... not caring enough to lobby & legally fight for our rights, freedoms, and liberties... to have them reduced, eliminated, and controlled. Obamacare = 400,000 to 500,000 'citizen regulators' and 159 NEW government agencies. How's that positive?
Not voting will never happen, if you don't like the parties, vote 3rd party, vote green, vote something so the main two can't dominate elections. The few who vote can decide your future laws and economy; so participate or suffer at someone else's whims. Apathy is not the solution to corruption. If no one votes Obama out, would he stay in? YES
@threepercenter03 - splitting the vote doesn't work either... do the math. It sucks... big time! Three parties means the 'majority' winner only needs 33.4% of the actual voters (17.8% total in the 2010 election)... which is fewer than 6% of the actual adult population IN CONTROL OF THIS NATION through their votes.
@foghornleg90 I've skipped elections, it only gets a little more socialist around here each time... it's discouraging to think it's all just a facade of liberty; but simply giving up will alllow them to steamroll through agendas uncontested... what's the solution? The statistics suck, the voters are idiots for the most part; allowing charisma instead of substance to be their focus, and the candidates are two sides of the same coin... it's coming to a revolution or tolerate the b.s.
@threepercenter03 - agreed... but seriously, fewer than 10% of the voting citizens put owe-bum-a into office, and allowed the congress to rape this nation for the last FEW DECADES... which means that just over 10% CAN TAKE BACK THE NATION through voting the RIGHT PEOPLE, and pushing to repeal many of the laws, regulations, and government agencies designed for 'citizen control' verse honest 'public health & safety.'
Not voting would be the same as voting for the candidate likely to lose... a wasted vote or none at all, either way the popular guy gets in and changes everything he can to suit his donors. It's a lose - lose situation for the common man. The elite will always run things, until we find a way to live w/o them... off grid isn't cheap or easy, but it's a start. what else can we do?
@threepercenter03 - lobby, educate, and encourage MORE PEOPLE to pay attention to character, integrity, honor, and caring about THIS COUNTRY and the working class & small businesses that comprise 80% of the taxpayers. Owe-bum-a has got more people 'talking' and 'thinking' that anyone since the depression. USE IT... INFORM, EDUCATE, and TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY through voting! Only 1.7% MORE people voted in 2010 than in 2008, while not perfect, it was a start... and congress was changed slightly.
@foghornleg90 You can talk until you're blue in the face and people will call you a racist, dismiss you as a kook and ignore you if you attempt to further the education of the sheeple with facts and such... we are beating our head against a wall, for what? to regain the liberty we were founded on... seems surreal.
@threepercenter03 - agreed... if you are on facebook, feel free to add me (Terry Mercer) - I'm active in a few political groups that understand that voting is the only effective way positive change can happen in this country. And that violence begets more violence, and passive non-voting is why this nation is actually in the shape it is in. (I'll have the underwater (scuba diving) photo on profile).
Youtube won't allow me to post the link to the article on 'Why should YOU vote: Easy Math" I have it posted on facebook, under 'Terry Mercer' - note_id=187967244593989
Mike, do you still have a voter's registration card? I'm thinking about sending mine back. I don't see the point in voting since we don't have a government for the people. It is a corporation owned by a bunch of narcissists.
I agree you have the right to $#$#@ why? Well, because it's an inalienable right. But, the point is that you are not voting servants into office, you are voting tyrannts/corrupted into office. It's a bait, and the citizens (not the people) are the bait.
It's sad that you don't vote... and are willing to allow this country to be 'controlled' by fewer than 17.8% of the citizens over the age of 18 in this country. Read THE article: "Why YOU should vote: Easy Math"
If you don't vote, you apathetically accept others control of you through laws, regulations, and who is placed in office.
@888music - while I can understand how it looks that way, there is evidence that suggests that a minority (or people - not race or gender related) are IN CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY VOTE. Those are the facts... like them or not. Not voting is passive relinquishing of control to others over your choices, freedoms, liberties, and future. How's it worked for ya so far??
Voting is passive. Voting is relinquishing control. Voting is believing that compulsive liar politicians will actually keep their campaign promises. Voting is self deception. Voting is just changing one puppet for another. Do you actually believe that voters "are in control of this country"? I used to believe all that feel-good propaganda about voting and how powerful it is. Government institutions are not controlled by a ballot box or by smooth-talking politician/entertainers.
well voting is a scam, if there is a bill thats put to the voters and it fails then theyll rearange and try to get it through till it does or theyll throw it into another bill that will pass or the courts will just say screw the people and make it law. Voting is really for the stupid point blank.
The reason people don't vote is because their 'views' are not getting the attention 'they' want them get. If their particular views were say 150 million people strong, they would be hailing voting as the best thing ever. Complaining about voting is logically only 'a means an end' where voting will become inevitable anyway. Even by not voting you are still actively participating in the government you eventually get, you cannot escape responsibility. Not voting is still voting.
If you don't vote, you don't count to the people who make decisions. If you don't vote, you let someone else decide and speak for you. So, unless you plan on starting a military revolution, not voting simply conveys, "I don't care." Vote for people who you think will do better than the people you believe will win. If enough of you do, we might have a viable third party. If none of you do, then you won't - ever.
@balanceseeker "If you don't vote, you let someone else decide and speak for you." i'd say the same exact thing for those who DO vote. in fact, that's EXACTLY what voting is... voting for someone else to represent, decide and speak for you.
@TungstenOrWolfram - the option is apathetic acceptance of others control & rule over you... or through voting & lobbying, the potential for a positive change. Your choice... your right to or not to... but so long as there is a government and a Constitution, there is a system which you can either work within or suffer the negative impact others will have upon your lack of convincing others to vote your way (to support smaller government, fewer regulations, and more freedoms). The choice is yours
@foghornleg90 You have it backwards as you've been taught (just as I have) that voting and the CONstitution are the way of life. Did you sign that document? A bunch of rich English lawyers signed that document for benefit of the king, man. There is a difference in "people" and "People". By voting, you are telling these corrupt scum in Deceit Central and locally that you agree with their goings-on and what have you. Unregister your voting card. It let's them know we don't support their system.
@chop98 - 17.8% of the voting age citizens are ALL THE VOTES NOW... your logic has failed, doesn't work, and ignores the reality that a minority is in control... those that are voting prefer not having the competition, and getting their way. How's it worked for you?
@foghornleg90 Logic, logic, logic. Why don't you take the logic and come to the conclusion that stats are manipulated to fit any agenda. Stop trying to coerce men and women into giving away their rights given by God and not a corporation. When you do this, then maybe we can talk. Otherwise, you have a nice day.
@chop98 - enjoy your fantasy world, while you are forced to comply or break the laws others place upon you. Enjoy... because you change nothing by not voting, and lobbying others to not wield the power the constitution gives US. Your right... and your apathetic ignorance. Because without positive change, you only have two options: comply or break the laws. With the vote, there is the option to CHANGE THE LAWS.
People who complain when logic isn't on their side simply have no rational point to make.
"come to the conclusion that stats are manipulated to fit any agenda"
I would be happy to if you would provide evidence that the population statistics are manipulated or the number of voters voting is being manipulated to intentionally show that fewer than the majority are voting. And if true, then I fail to see how not voting makes some statement.
@balanceseeker - But not voting does make a statement... it says, "I don't matter, and I'm willing to act like a baby and cry & complain, and let others control my life... and refuse to grow up and take responsibility for my life, my family, my country. That's other people job. Now leave me alone!" Waaaaaaa
Seems like a pretty clear statement to me, doesn't it to you?? Feel free to add me on facebook - let me know if you want an invite to any of the political groups that advocate voting.
@balanceseeker Because by voting, you are giving these people consent through your signature on the dotted voting ballot line to continue with what they do. Voting is a privilege mentioned in the CONstitution. These scummy politicians want you to place all your confidence and faith in them instead of yourself... which is where it belongs. You turn over every bit of leadership to them by signing at the end after voting. Remember that part? They don't tell you it furthers contracts with them.
And not voting means what? That the government is not legitimate? Come on.
Further, I have plenty of self-confidence. Enough so that I am not afraid of voting as being some sort of signing over of my rights -- or whatever it is you think I am signing over. It is my ability to impact who governs, which impacts the direction the country takes. It isn't the most direct form of democracy; in fact it is a republic. Still, what would you replace it with? And how?
You guys have a good message, but we have a chance of getting a libertarian in office who could potentially end the federal department of education. This would be a HUGE move in the advance of voluntarism- less indoctrination of the young people. If you were a slave and your master offered you water or milk, would you just say "nah this system sucks" and not take your pick just to prove a point? Or would you live the best you can while under control despite not sending a message?
brush200400 4 months ago
@brush200400 The difference is, the choice between your slave owner giving you water or milk does not require support for an aggressively violent system on peaceful people, like in statism...
What is worst is that people now believe that state's rights, government borders, taxation (albeit lower rates), and statism = freedom.... which we know is the opposite of the truth.
mikeshanklin 4 months ago
P.J O'Rourke
"Don't vote it just encourages the bastards!"
AnarchicJ 5 months ago
Your rational is off. The system itself doesn't need votes to legitimize itself. It only needs to justify it's existence through coercion, which it does daily. Voting is the method by which people involved can influence the course of the statism.
Your path of Passive Resistance is something I can appreciate, but not everyone will agree with non-involvement, and those people should not be held as immoral or unethical for their choice. That would be part of that control through Coercion.
Joe11Blue 5 months ago
@Joe11Blue
Hi Joe,
No one is demonizing people who believe they are protecting themselves from coercion. He is suggesting that if you understand that you are using coercion to get your way, you are immoral. The people you write about here consider their actions to be self defense. I have many friends that are libertarian that consider voting self defense.
niklasbastholmhansen 5 months ago
@Joe11Blue I would rather shape the society towards the nonaggression principle than vote for politicians who advance the ideal that the state is actually able to do some good. I don't know one politician who is a realist/voluntaryist. They all believe in using threats of aggressive coercion on peaceful people who simply disagree.
mikeshanklin 5 months ago
@mikeshanklin The idea that you are shaping anything outside of your own group of people is assuming a lot.
You are also assuming a lot about people that run for office here as well. I'm finding it hard to accept any explanation that is based on such an irrational assumption of what Individuals are thinking and doing and their motivations.
Joe11Blue 5 months ago
@mrtapoche1 - I personally like George Carlin on most everything... BUT his stance & logic on voting. That was wrong, and one of the few mistakes he made in logic. Voting is POWER TO THE PEOPLE... not voting allows fewer people to seize control & power, and turns things into what they are NOW!
foghornleg90 6 months ago
@foghornleg90 So, you are telling me that everyone voting is better than nobody voting in statism?!?
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin - I'm telling you that 'no body' voting with NEVER HAPPEN... therefore, the ONLY HOPE & CONTROL 'we' that want a positive change and smaller government can honestly hope for is to banned together, and push those candidates which MIGHT BE MORE LIKELY to give us the freedom, liberty, and constitutional rights we want & deserve. The 'no body' part is a fallacy - won't EVER happen, and those not voting are part of the reason we are in the state we're in.
foghornleg90 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin - If 'we' want a positive change, then we need to lobby for it - push for it (legally) - and group people that agree with us, TO VOTE... and to take BACK our nation, by putting the right people into office, with the morals, goals, and actual policies WE WANT. 'We' have a create deal of control, and 'we' can educate, advocate, and articulate FOR GIVEN QUALITIES... and continue pushing for smaller government, and more of what we want. That, my stubborn YT friend, is the ONLY way!IMHO
foghornleg90 6 months ago
@foghornleg90 No, we must fight for the complete abolishment of statism slavery! In hopes that people in 10,000 years from now will never have to suffer through threats of aggressive coercion on peaceful people. We must end a system that has nothing but threats of aggressive coercion, and enable voluntaryism. No one says things will be peaches and cream/utopia, but it will enable much more personal choice versus voting which matters almost zilch while giving the state sanctuary.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin - That's almost too funny to even laugh at... worrying about what the state of things will be 10,000 years from now. ROTFLMAO - wow, I'd hate to be in your brain! And I thought worrying about, and striving for positive change in MY lifetime, my kids, & grand-kids was far sighted. Damn... you're 10,000 years out, impressive. Seriously, you need to back crap up about 9900 years, and worry about now & the nearer future! But hey, you give grandiose a new meaning!
foghornleg90 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin - legally 'fighting to abolish statism slavery'... I agree. I just do NOT agree that 'not voting' is the best, fastest, rational, or realistic way to accomplish THAT. You really need to think about the logic, reality, and probability of the means in which you think that is LIKELY to be accomplished. We agree upon the problem, and even the end result (goal)... just not the solutions or means in which to 'get there.' And seriously, 10,000 years. WOW - I surely don't care about THAT!
foghornleg90 6 months ago
@foghornleg90 So you believe statism can be changed for the good... I don't think an unethical and evil system can be "made good"... it is nothing but threats of aggressive violence on peaceful people. The system is made to go against our goals, it is made to suck people in, and destroy the real message of Freedom, which means no statism slavery at all. There is no other option, the system will not allow real change, and will only place all the systems blame on "freedom people" for "ruining it".
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
I still agree with statism, I think people are to vulnerable without a state. As amazing as anarchy sounds, I think it would eventually lead to a brutal dictatorship and then a feudal heirachy.
FureyinHD 6 months ago
If those want to bitch saying you have no right to complain, you can tell them to shove it up their ass.
(I forgot YouTube has a word limit) lol. :D
marrrvelous 6 months ago
I believe that this dude did a poor job at explaining why not voting is important. I liked it because he has the right idea, but I firmly believe to truly make a difference and have people notice (especially Government) is to do the following:
Go to your voting place and write in "No Confidence" on your ballot. That's what I plan on doing. Because then you are SHOWING them that you care enough to speak your mind and let them know that you have zero faith in our system.
This way too, if thos
marrrvelous 6 months ago
what this guy is talking about, for all you idiots, is the fact that we always get 2 candidates that suck balls, so what is the point in voting for a lesser evil?
joeratti 6 months ago
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I don't vote either, waste of time as there is no one to vote for. Jessie Ventura would be the only one I would vote for and he is not running. Tom Laughlin would have been another one after his Trial Of Billy Jack movie. I didn't understand anything you said. After viewing Tom Laughlin's new messages of making a movie right and all that I don't understand what he was talking about. Jessie Ventura is still on my list though.
scottjo63 7 months ago
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scottjo63 7 months ago
you can still right in candidates, even if you do not agree with the policy of either party or candidate. I'm going to vote for Ron Paul, not matter if he's on the ballot or not. I will right him in if that is the case.
"The consequence of not participating in politics is you give and advantage to your inferiors". -Plato
puncher53 7 months ago
@puncher53 seriously, right?
joeratti 6 months ago
@joeratti so you are one of those spelling check trolls that has no backbone to stand on anything else except spelling errors. Get off youtube doucher
puncher53 6 months ago
@puncher53 Listen, I truly understand where you are coming from,... but no politician will save you from the state. We must end it completely, not leave it around for generations down the road to clean up later. That is what is unethical. We must end statism completely, because the state is nothing but threats of violence on peaceful people who simply disagree. That is a version of slavery.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
This is just stuff modern society waffle, Don`t bother voting? Well, Nobody under forty does anyway, But, The voting system is not really the problem, Your position is false one anyway, Look at history before voting, Complete Dogshit for the masses, So what`s your mandate? Back to that? Fuck off, Besides, Your free not to vote, And they knew twats like you would try to unhinge the system by withdrawing support, But, The system wont break through lack of outright number of votes
xmoroseguyx 7 months ago
@xmoroseguyx Please, explain how getting more people to vote for government gets rid of government....
mikeshanklin 7 months ago
@mikeshanklin Well, I`m not to sure what you mean, I`m a Socialist, So I believe in state run trains, Water, Electric, All in social healthcare system etc.., So I don`t foresee less Government, But, With votes, If the turn out was higher, They would have to be more open and in favour of the masses to get voted in, You are right though, About that snotty retort people say about not voting, That it means no say, That is beyond stupidity to think that
xmoroseguyx 7 months ago
@mikeshanklin
Hey Mike, thanks for the invite! I'm curious about your thoughts on G. Edward Griffin and his Freedom Force project
Here is a good video of him speaking at a Ron Paul rally in 2007
/watch?v=sw6zhIiGCvg
I look forward to hearing more from you.
hamyncheese 7 months ago
Nobody has any rights to anything. If you want to do something, then fkng do it. The system has to change and voting is just supporting the system.
MDealer 7 months ago
I still vote...but I completely understand this side of the argument. Watch George Carlin's video eplanation on why he believes people who vote are part of the problem. It's fairly compelling.
some say we are playing into the dialectic system of false choices. Either way you believe, our two party system really represents no real change.
hokieguy95 7 months ago
Voting is pure nonsense and is equivalent to doing nothing. Voting is not intended to relinquish or abolish privilege and slavery as it is meant to perpetuate both, a point made by Frank Chodorov. The history of voting is the history of mass murder, theft, and coercion. Those who believe in voting believe that the gun should be used against those who don't consent to the government they live under. Wanting to change government is like trying to change the mafia into a charity group.
ed2point0 7 months ago
this guy is a retard guys DO VOTE - THAT IS THE ONLY WAY FOR CHANGE!
victorious2233 7 months ago
@victorious2233 Great response! I'm retarded?!? WOW, you really brought some facts to the table. Tell me... why does society need to vote once we've educated them into the fact that statism has nothing but the threat of violence on peaceful people who simply disagree. If you still encourage voting, you don't see the reality of the world yet... that statism will NEVER bring us anything good, because it is physically impossible.
mikeshanklin 7 months ago 2
Your arguments against Statism are correct as usual. However as a non-violent activist, change is only possible within the system. That the system is dysfunctional is beside the point. The State is always going to have more force than any individual, group or militia. Revolution in our day is only possible through intermittent & accurate snipes within the system. Perhaps you might consider a big sniper with a big gun, Ron Paul in 2012? As all utopias, Randian Heaven is only in one's imagination.
BrotherWoody1 7 months ago
Thats Why I have given up on the sham of goverment Democracy . God give us a full monarchy
SouthernWhiteKnight 7 months ago
wow this video sucks dick.
SnoozeParkour 7 months ago
You may not understand how things work but I do, money dictates everything that happens including who we have selected for us to vote on, this is mirage by the very wealthy giving us these canadates that they hand select to vote for, do you not understand these canadates are only there to make the common people think they have a choice, they can only do what the wealthy let them do, prime example HEALTH CARE the insurance industry owns alot of politicians that's why it didn't happen.
s46d45m17 7 months ago
If you don't vote your just helping elect the worst of the worst. If you do vote your helping elect the best of the worst. They're all liars and scumbags so while it seems it doesn't matter because you don't know who or what you're truly voting for but suppose you could elect someone that may truly make the country better and you choose not to vote?
cityguyusa 7 months ago
If we don't vote, we let 'them' plug in exactly who they want to 'place' in the presidency. we should back Ron Paul and have exit polls everywhere. you have to register republican (i know this hurts) to vote for him in the primary. if you don't vote in the primary they'll plug in another oligarch like Romney which will be more of the same old shite.
EarthPulseTechnologi 7 months ago
maybe you realize that the people that are picked to vote for have been picked by the wealthy, this is the whole problem these people we vote on only work for the wealthy that have sent them there, the middle class does not have true representation these people that have been handed to us are mere puppets for the wealthy or you would not see the top 2% having most of the wealth in the world and the middle class would not be struggeling so hard these days.
s46d45m17 7 months ago
@s46d45m17 - You have no clue what you are talking about, and are totally buying into the 'rich control the world' CRAP! If what you said was true, the blacks would still be slaves, women still won't vote, wars that aren't helping the majority of the rich, and the entitlements to drug addicts & alcoholics the rich detest spending money on wouldn't have ever existed. You are correct most politicians worth FOR the wealthy, big corps & unions. Rich only control media - not votes!
foghornleg90 7 months ago
Too many people not voting is exactly what benefits the oligarchy. You telling people not to vote helps elect the oligarchs CHOSEN candidates!
detmersstudios 7 months ago 2
@detmersstudios How does me calling out all the candidates equate to me helping candidates?!? I don't want any of them, and I am calling all of them out...
mikeshanklin 7 months ago
@mikeshanklin - for someone that seems smart, you are missing the POWER OF THE PEOPLE, and the necessity of VOTING. You are young, and ignorant. And the anarchist theory of self ownership & individualism has NOT WORKED in any government, country, or continent, since 1200BC in most books & studies, 250BC in a few. When the population was less, mean age was under 40; not 79.4 of today. It was an old west sorta justice/logic where only the strong survived & the weak packed up in small towns.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@mikeshanklin - 'calling out all the candidates' and evaluating their character, integrity, honor, love of this country, ethics, logic, and ability to honestly deal with things for the benefit of 'THE CITIZENS' is a great goal; worthwhile expenditure of your time, and something I try to do also. However, I support PUSHING THE BEST CANDIDATE THROUGH THE PRIMARIES. I don't (yet) think Ron Paul is honestly electable, but appreciate MOST of his ideas & goals. Change from within through VOTING!
foghornleg90 7 months ago
nice to see you again
niggaflies 7 months ago
You see like the type that would vote for Ron Paul.
Swemba 7 months ago
*belong
johnnyappleseedism 7 months ago
left wing and right wing belond to same eagle. bush was bad cop, obama is good cop.
johnnyappleseedism 7 months ago
people vs. the state is THE paradigm. left vs. right, black vs. white, north vs. south, gay vs. christian, east coast vs. west coast are all divides of the people, divide and conquer.
johnnyappleseedism 7 months ago
You want fish or chicken? ....
Um... I want steak.
Too bad! Now which is it?!
TungstenOrWolfram 7 months ago
Great, don't vote. That way we don't have dumbasses like you voting people like Obama into Office. Our system of Government was based on the vote. Don't vote and you give them what they want. The system of tyrants is based on not voting. Your "brilliant" theory of not voting may sound great at round table discussions by intellectuals over a Latte' at starbucks, but in reality it doesn't work.
1911HeadBanger 7 months ago
@1911HeadBanger what does it matter if you vote or not if they do what they want anyway? thats not democracy, eventhough im not pro-democracy anyway. democracy is freedom for 51%, the rest s.o.l. also, two choices? oh yeah, much better than one choice. i think your right, people should vote, but only if the system is real.
johnnyappleseedism 7 months ago
i like to say i voted not to vote i voted not to support either stupid ass in office
cricketol 7 months ago
Not voting only feels kinky the first time.
jayphailey 7 months ago 2
Good vid. Reminds of the George Carlin video on voting, but this was "classroom intellectual" version of the stand-up act.
ObsidianTeen 7 months ago
Doug Casey doesn't vote either for the same reason. Personally, I think Ron paul shouldn't run in 2012. The ship is sinking, why does he want to be on it?!
1977Melville 7 months ago 2
@1977Melville Who is Doug Casey?
lukasewing 7 months ago
@lukasewing. Investor. Hates and loathes the idea of the state. Poltical athiest. He's been a guest on Stefan Molyneaux's Fredomain YouTube Channel. Blunt like Jim Sinclair but with some humor. Casey has a YouTube channel but I can't recall the name.
1977Melville 7 months ago
I'm interested in your ideas Mike, but I can't fully buy into the voluntary society thing. What will prevent an oligarchy from quickly rising if we don't have a gov't to set limits. We should know by now that people won't stop it.
LightningBoltz 7 months ago
@LightningBoltz Mind you, I'm no fan of government myself.
LightningBoltz 7 months ago
If u vote u already had ur saying and u can't complain. If u already know the system is rigged (as most of us with brains) and for that reason not voting u have all the rights to complain on anything the so called "rulers" attempt on doing. You can't change this rotten system from "the inside", it will change YOU or it will dispose you..
kaxitaksi 7 months ago
voting for ron paul will just give the chance for statists to blame him and libertarians for the shit that is gonna go down...
pipobun 7 months ago 4
Not voting isn't going to change anything tho. If you want to change the system, do it from the inside.
DoubleWW 7 months ago
Voting legitimises the current system...
So don't do it, simple.
DackIsBack 7 months ago 8
@DackIsBack Yeah anarchy. Lets throw 10.000 years of though and fight into the toilet. The system is good and fair most of the times. You work hard, get brave and results will come to you. Lets throw away some corruption, thats all, not simple at all.
burns83 6 months ago
Well said my friend. I don't vote either. It just perpetuates the machine...
Stereophonics81 7 months ago
Will you vote for Ron Paul if he gets the Republican nomination?
Armageddon2077 7 months ago
If you dont think voting will help neither will your bitching so i guess you dont vote and shut the bitching also
rumpelstillskin65 7 months ago
@rumpelstillskin65 No, we can and will.
remyllebeau77 7 months ago
Ive got a two word argument for you. Ron Paul!
NicosMind 7 months ago 5
Amass an arsenal of weapons. That is all.
BabelOn4infinity 7 months ago
When both parties have little difference between them, and third parties are ineffectual, not voting sounds like a good option. Though I’m secretly hoping that more and more people start waking up from the illusion of choice and start voting third party. Perhaps then there will be a serious game change.
BlameTheFirst 7 months ago
So what do you advocate? How do you initiate change if not by demanding change by using your public voice.. the vote. You argue for change but you offer no practical solution. It matters little what you call the process, it matters completely that it is for the people, by the people. In order to achieve that noble platitude we MUST have a recorded, public, accountable record of the will of the people, and if not by the vote then how?
smelyalata 7 months ago
@smelyalata Agorism and disobedience work a lot better than voting. Also, there is no will of the people. There's only the will of the individual.
carpaltunel 7 months ago
@smelyalata
Athenian Democracy was "by the people, for the people." They voted to poison Socrates to death for his beliefs! I fail to see why democratic process is a good one.
BanditoWalrusGames 7 months ago 14
@BanditoWalrusGames It's only good if the people are educated about the issues that plague society. Only people who actually have technical skills and knowledge are capable of having a successful democracy. Instead, we have a bunch of brainwashed sheep who are only out to satisfy their own egos.
S0up3rD0up3r 7 months ago
@S0up3rD0up3r Democracy is nothing but mob rule tyranny. It is actually in stark contrast to Freedom and the nonaggression principle. If you support democracy, you are anti-Freedom.
mikeshanklin 7 months ago
@mikeshanklin So true!
daizee106 7 months ago
@BanditoWalrusGames might not be a good one but its the best one for sure
MTread545 7 months ago
@BanditoWalrusGames and thats just one instance that happens to be bad and negative side of it which almost all of the people were against socrates
MTread545 7 months ago
@MTread545
The Majority in where I live hath decreed that gays are not allowed to participate in the religious ceremony of marriage, even if their religion is okay with it. Majorities in the past have legislated that blacks were inferior to whites. Majority vote has suppressed free speech.
There are plenty of examples of where a majority vote has lead to tyranny and oppression. Just because it is the majority who rules does not mean that they will rule well or fairly.
BanditoWalrusGames 7 months ago
@BanditoWalrusGames ...I think you missed my point.
smelyalata 7 months ago
@BanditoWalrusGames Things can go wrong, but that doesn't mean that we let go of the system we use, in any situation. We'd be nowhere now if we did it that way. People are fighting to straighten how things work. Its not about letting go.
burns83 6 months ago
@BanditoWalrusGames. Women and slaves couldn't vote either.
1977Melville 4 months ago
Well he's right in a way but if you want to vote just vote for Ron Paul.
I mean it he's our only hope!!
As long there are people like Ron Paul and enough people who are wise enough to think for themselves never lose hope.
it’s people like you guys we need the most to make Ron Paul win the election.
Your not alone.
07084935 7 months ago 3
Wipe your ass with the ballot and hand it in. Then you can proudly wear your "I voted today" sticker.
deadman12078 7 months ago
I (sort of) agree with what you're saying here.
TrippingTheTube 7 months ago
I dont vote! Regestering to vote gives them power over you.And its bullshit.They put into office who they see fit.Voting shows that the fisadi is still working.Dont vote!Dont play the game.Show them you dont want any of them!
semiLivedj 7 months ago
The lesser of two evils is still evil, so to vote for the lesser of two evils is to endorse evil.
TheCeejReturns 7 months ago
Well I just disagree about not voting.I am voting for anybody who is not Obama.I will take my chances with the next crook.
dave4708 7 months ago
I can understand not voting in the presidential elections, because the popular vote doesn't mean shit, Florida 2000 :)
But not voting locally is absurd and stupid. letting others decide on what you have to live with oppression.
psychokillercrab 7 months ago
@mikeshanklin I used to not vote, but now I do, simply because I still have hope that maybe, just maybe Ron Paul will get elected, he's a step in the right direction towards freedom and individualism.
I'd like to know what your opinion of Black Bloc is, they continually destroy things, cars, private property, harm individuals, at the these protests to try and initiate a negative response from the police to shut down the protests.
TheAmazingJimmy 7 months ago
I have never heard of anyone saying if you don't vote you don't have a right to complain. What people say is 'If you don't vote, don't bitch' most commonly, 'to me about it' usually taken to be implied. What's not voting going to accomplish? Most of the country doesn't vote and you can see what that's lead to.
You need a more balanced view about what you call the 'state'. For instance do you ever give credit to the cop that solved a crime or helped someone or do you only see the abusive ones?
acuriousbeast 7 months ago
only idiots vote ... dont vote and complain ... voting only shows you agree with the system...
neoprana 7 months ago
I remember how Carlin said he didn't vote too. He said he is able to complain at the people who made the more stupid choice.
Randomness65535 7 months ago
70% of you yanks don't vote, what's the point? If you make it 71% will someone get the message?
Even if you can get 10% of Americans to vote for a Libertarian cadidate, you will see a massive improvement in Washington's attitude.
If you sit around talking to each other, waiting for your perfect society to magically appear - you're gonna be waiting for a long time.
LibertyDownUnder 7 months ago
Well if you dont go vote how do you want to change the system ? Revolution ?
Jigssaw1989 7 months ago
lol i agree with your vid so much its not even funny
gamerofalll 7 months ago
"If you don't vote, you're allowing the worst candidate to win."
But the worst candidate is always the one who wins. Don't matter who, that person is the worst simply because he/she won. The best election will be the one without a winner.
Ovalshine 7 months ago
@Ovalshine - Until or unless 'None of the Above' is 'written in' on ballets... and the US Government is forced to deal with THAT, because a majority ELECTED NO ONE... there must be some plan of positive action, besides just 'not voting' (which changes NOTHING POSITIVE, and merely allows a minority of citizens to control THIS COUNTRY). It's clearly YOUR LIFE, but if you really care about change - then you'll lobby for some real positive change.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 your viewpoint legitimizes the process. You're saying that if you "win" it's ok. What we are saying is that everyone should do their own thing without me telling you (by proxy) what to do with your life.
MrPisster 7 months ago
@MrPisster - fewer than 10% of the America adults over 18 PLACED owe-bum-a & congress INTO office... doesn't take very many to effect a positive change. NOT VOTING is LUNACY, and accepts that you GIVE CONTROL to OTHERS. Enjoy that thought AND REALITY.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 Using "ALL CAPS" doesn't make what you're saying "REALITY". We are saying that the state is not a legitimate enterprise and you're saying we must participate it in anyway. Let me put it in terms you'll understand: VOTING GIVES CONTROL TO OTHERS, by gum -that's exactly what a vote is! Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
MrPisster 7 months ago
@MrPisster - NOT voting gives control to others... voting intelligently at least off sets a stupid vote. 1-1=0 If you honestly want change, then get off your butt & lobby for it... and help get the better people in office! THEN 'we' have some hope. If there are no good people - then lobby for them, or maybe even run yourself. The American Dream - alive & well. BY THE WAY, I'm pretty sure you were able to read & understand those parts EMPHASIZED, huh? ROTF
foghornleg90 6 months ago
@foghornleg90 Not true, I give no one else control when I do not vote, you are just brainwashed into statist propaganda... America is the land of the free, not voting is slavery and stupid, the system can do GOOD!....
...it's all bullshit.
mikeshanklin 6 months ago
@mikeshanklin - I agree that it's bull shit... but IF you live in America, under the current system, and you don't vote - then YOU ARE giving up what few rights you have. That is your choice, but don't fool yourself into thinking reality is something different than what it is. ONLY through voting, going off grid, or moving to a different country might one gain control legally. Thinking otherwise is irrational, unrealistic, and fallacy.
foghornleg90 6 months ago
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@foghornleg90 You're a brick-head. "run yourself. The American Dream - alive & well." wow you are really brainwashed to the core if you think "anyone can be president", maybe we'll all be astronauts and firemen some day too?
MrPisster 6 months ago
If you vote, they win, if you dont, they win. But if you dont vote, there is there is the chance that if someone threw themselves into protecting true justice, we would have left that person without a rope to hangon to, no evidence of our though and so we will fall together. Keep hope up.
burns83 7 months ago 2
@burns83 - voting in silence, not lobbying for the things you believe, helping enlist (legally) others to vote with you - for the cause or person you support & want, is pretty useless. Evaluating the negatives, the side effects, the unconstitutionality and reality is vital... if we expect to improve anything. Hope doesn't come for passivity, silence, nor violence. It CAN come from assertive, intelligent, planned education - advocation, and lobbying.
foghornleg90 6 months ago
I've never voted and I never will.
god0fgod 7 months ago
If your talking about the federal elections, I would agree to a point. Voting in local elections is more important. The mayor and local repesentitives are out of control and drunk with power right now. So VOTE for the right person in the local elections and start reversing the damage from the city level on up.
rawfodog75 7 months ago
@rawfodog75 - All the way to the top... WE have the power, in numbers... fewer than 1 in 10 people over the age of 18 are directly responsible for who is in the whitehouse & congress. FEWER THAN... it sure wouldn't take very many to really make a difference!
foghornleg90 7 months ago
Every time one of my friends tells me they voted I say, that's awesome, now I know who to blame
yinzjagoffs 7 months ago
Bunch of fucking inbred pathetic human beings who will die and rot in the ground with their being dispelled and their bones dissolved.
All of you.
Fuck off.
And fuck Britain I wish you would all die you pieces of fucking shit.
lordy500 7 months ago
@lordy500 - dude, what type of drugs are you on?? Your articulation of the verbosity of the English language is impressive (not), and demonstrates your keen higher education, and desire for positive change and sense of reality within the world. Yee ha! Enjoy your fantasy world, but I think you might have clicked on the wrong post.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@lordy500 thats not nice. wait till the british remember who they are and then it may be you who is doing the dieing, and by that i mean the inhabitants of those isles used to be warriors, now they are generally human cattle, being someone who is ethnically from those lands, but living in a forigen place, its saddening to watch what is happening over their right now, let alone north america.
mothman64 7 months ago
I agree that you have a right to complain no matter what, but sitting on the sidelines and refusing to partake is pretty childish. Vote in the primaries. There are usually great people on the ticket who never make it past the primaries because the are shanghaied by the media. I can understand not voting in general elections sometimes, but sitting the whole thing out? That's whiny. Plus, what you're advocating will only justify more ignorance.
Brajabu74 7 months ago
@mikeshanklin - seriously, if you were 'educated' you WOULD VOTE... and your 'bitching' would be to lobby for the freedoms and logic you proclaim to have. Your mentality and words merely relinquish power to the system, or knowingly choose to live outside it... which gives them greater power and more controls (through laws & regulations) over you, your life, and your future. Lobby for positive change, expose the corruption, and vote it out of power!
foghornleg90 7 months ago
Good point ive never voted and never will its a corrupt system and not even worth voting. The best thing to do is to expose the system for its corruption and try and wake up other people who are going to vote. If you talk to people and come from a point of love and just say your a political atheist then explain your reason for not voting and why they should not vote people do listen. Education is the key, "you cant expect a unintelligent person to make a intelligent decision".
casinohijack 7 months ago
So complaining to the people we didn't vote for, and exposing their corruption will save us? How? Politicians are seldom held accountable in a court of law. They only care about being exposed because people won't vote for them. Seems to me that if you don't vote they could care less if you expose them or not.
gsuitter 7 months ago
3 parasites that depend on govt force don't like the video
swu880 7 months ago
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@swu880 - 'parasites' - you are funny and pathetic... but that's your right, for now.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@whitetuber - sadly, less than 9% of the citizens over 18 yrs old and eligible to vote ARE RESPONSIBLE for the government controls, because over 82% do not vote. Shame shame... do the math... if you want positive change, stop bitching, start lobbying, and get off your butt and vote for the positive changes!
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 You don't have to be a legal citizen to vote, man. You just have to be a "resident". Stop spraying the stuff that has us where we are now. I'll send you some stuff if you want to learn how the system is really working.
chop98 7 months ago
@chop98 - I'm very clear on HOW the system works... and WHY it's failed... NOT VOTING is clearly a major contributor to that equation.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 I take it back. You are correct. You DO know how the system works. Obviously you're benefiting from it somehow. Do yourself a favor. (and all of us) Lose the brainwashing that has taken this country by storm for the past 230 plus years and ditch it. Now! I'll say it again. If you want the facts and lose the brainwashing... then we can talk. Otherwise, have a nice day. :)
chop98 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 damn, why aren't YOU running for PRES?! you know how it works, you know why it's failed... and you can FIX it!
TungstenOrWolfram 7 months ago
@TungstenOrWolfram - under different circumstances, I would love to... because change is obvious... and needed. And it's not gained in the way that 'the government' (for decades) has been doing it, and 'we the people' have allowed, through not voting... not caring enough to lobby & legally fight for our rights, freedoms, and liberties... to have them reduced, eliminated, and controlled. Obamacare = 400,000 to 500,000 'citizen regulators' and 159 NEW government agencies. How's that positive?
foghornleg90 7 months ago
Not voting will never happen, if you don't like the parties, vote 3rd party, vote green, vote something so the main two can't dominate elections. The few who vote can decide your future laws and economy; so participate or suffer at someone else's whims. Apathy is not the solution to corruption. If no one votes Obama out, would he stay in? YES
threepercenter03 7 months ago
@threepercenter03 - splitting the vote doesn't work either... do the math. It sucks... big time! Three parties means the 'majority' winner only needs 33.4% of the actual voters (17.8% total in the 2010 election)... which is fewer than 6% of the actual adult population IN CONTROL OF THIS NATION through their votes.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 I've skipped elections, it only gets a little more socialist around here each time... it's discouraging to think it's all just a facade of liberty; but simply giving up will alllow them to steamroll through agendas uncontested... what's the solution? The statistics suck, the voters are idiots for the most part; allowing charisma instead of substance to be their focus, and the candidates are two sides of the same coin... it's coming to a revolution or tolerate the b.s.
threepercenter03 7 months ago
@threepercenter03 - agreed... but seriously, fewer than 10% of the voting citizens put owe-bum-a into office, and allowed the congress to rape this nation for the last FEW DECADES... which means that just over 10% CAN TAKE BACK THE NATION through voting the RIGHT PEOPLE, and pushing to repeal many of the laws, regulations, and government agencies designed for 'citizen control' verse honest 'public health & safety.'
foghornleg90 7 months ago
Not voting would be the same as voting for the candidate likely to lose... a wasted vote or none at all, either way the popular guy gets in and changes everything he can to suit his donors. It's a lose - lose situation for the common man. The elite will always run things, until we find a way to live w/o them... off grid isn't cheap or easy, but it's a start. what else can we do?
threepercenter03 7 months ago
@threepercenter03 - lobby, educate, and encourage MORE PEOPLE to pay attention to character, integrity, honor, and caring about THIS COUNTRY and the working class & small businesses that comprise 80% of the taxpayers. Owe-bum-a has got more people 'talking' and 'thinking' that anyone since the depression. USE IT... INFORM, EDUCATE, and TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY through voting! Only 1.7% MORE people voted in 2010 than in 2008, while not perfect, it was a start... and congress was changed slightly.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 You can talk until you're blue in the face and people will call you a racist, dismiss you as a kook and ignore you if you attempt to further the education of the sheeple with facts and such... we are beating our head against a wall, for what? to regain the liberty we were founded on... seems surreal.
threepercenter03 7 months ago
@threepercenter03 - agreed... if you are on facebook, feel free to add me (Terry Mercer) - I'm active in a few political groups that understand that voting is the only effective way positive change can happen in this country. And that violence begets more violence, and passive non-voting is why this nation is actually in the shape it is in. (I'll have the underwater (scuba diving) photo on profile).
foghornleg90 7 months ago
Youtube won't allow me to post the link to the article on 'Why should YOU vote: Easy Math" I have it posted on facebook, under 'Terry Mercer' - note_id=187967244593989
foghornleg90 7 months ago
The article is open to everyone... under the notes section. Worthy of reading, I think...
foghornleg90 7 months ago
Gee, I would never have guessed that you wouldn't vote. He!He!
connerjd 7 months ago
END THE FED
Salihovicable 7 months ago 2
Mike, do you still have a voter's registration card? I'm thinking about sending mine back. I don't see the point in voting since we don't have a government for the people. It is a corporation owned by a bunch of narcissists.
I agree you have the right to $#$#@ why? Well, because it's an inalienable right. But, the point is that you are not voting servants into office, you are voting tyrannts/corrupted into office. It's a bait, and the citizens (not the people) are the bait.
liammarcus 7 months ago
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jamestargetedindiv 7 months ago
It's sad that you don't vote... and are willing to allow this country to be 'controlled' by fewer than 17.8% of the citizens over the age of 18 in this country. Read THE article: "Why YOU should vote: Easy Math"
If you don't vote, you apathetically accept others control of you through laws, regulations, and who is placed in office.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90
If voting changed anything significant, it would be illegal.
Government institutions are not controlled at the ballot box.
Politicians "placed in office" do the will of their benefactors...not the voters.
888music 7 months ago
@888music - while I can understand how it looks that way, there is evidence that suggests that a minority (or people - not race or gender related) are IN CONTROL OF THIS COUNTRY BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY VOTE. Those are the facts... like them or not. Not voting is passive relinquishing of control to others over your choices, freedoms, liberties, and future. How's it worked for ya so far??
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90
Voting is passive. Voting is relinquishing control. Voting is believing that compulsive liar politicians will actually keep their campaign promises. Voting is self deception. Voting is just changing one puppet for another. Do you actually believe that voters "are in control of this country"? I used to believe all that feel-good propaganda about voting and how powerful it is. Government institutions are not controlled by a ballot box or by smooth-talking politician/entertainers.
888music 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 As opposed to giving them approval to control me through laws, regulation and who is placed in office?
Ovalshine 7 months ago
The jesuitscumronpaul-worshipers will gut you for this vid.
chich234 7 months ago
well voting is a scam, if there is a bill thats put to the voters and it fails then theyll rearange and try to get it through till it does or theyll throw it into another bill that will pass or the courts will just say screw the people and make it law. Voting is really for the stupid point blank.
pdxeddie1111 7 months ago
The reason people don't vote is because their 'views' are not getting the attention 'they' want them get. If their particular views were say 150 million people strong, they would be hailing voting as the best thing ever. Complaining about voting is logically only 'a means an end' where voting will become inevitable anyway. Even by not voting you are still actively participating in the government you eventually get, you cannot escape responsibility. Not voting is still voting.
123backinyerface 7 months ago
If you don't vote, you don't count to the people who make decisions. If you don't vote, you let someone else decide and speak for you. So, unless you plan on starting a military revolution, not voting simply conveys, "I don't care." Vote for people who you think will do better than the people you believe will win. If enough of you do, we might have a viable third party. If none of you do, then you won't - ever.
balanceseeker 7 months ago
@balanceseeker "If you don't vote, you let someone else decide and speak for you." i'd say the same exact thing for those who DO vote. in fact, that's EXACTLY what voting is... voting for someone else to represent, decide and speak for you.
TungstenOrWolfram 7 months ago
@TungstenOrWolfram - the option is apathetic acceptance of others control & rule over you... or through voting & lobbying, the potential for a positive change. Your choice... your right to or not to... but so long as there is a government and a Constitution, there is a system which you can either work within or suffer the negative impact others will have upon your lack of convincing others to vote your way (to support smaller government, fewer regulations, and more freedoms). The choice is yours
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 You have it backwards as you've been taught (just as I have) that voting and the CONstitution are the way of life. Did you sign that document? A bunch of rich English lawyers signed that document for benefit of the king, man. There is a difference in "people" and "People". By voting, you are telling these corrupt scum in Deceit Central and locally that you agree with their goings-on and what have you. Unregister your voting card. It let's them know we don't support their system.
chop98 7 months ago
@chop98 - 17.8% of the voting age citizens are ALL THE VOTES NOW... your logic has failed, doesn't work, and ignores the reality that a minority is in control... those that are voting prefer not having the competition, and getting their way. How's it worked for you?
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@foghornleg90 Logic, logic, logic. Why don't you take the logic and come to the conclusion that stats are manipulated to fit any agenda. Stop trying to coerce men and women into giving away their rights given by God and not a corporation. When you do this, then maybe we can talk. Otherwise, you have a nice day.
chop98 7 months ago
@chop98 - enjoy your fantasy world, while you are forced to comply or break the laws others place upon you. Enjoy... because you change nothing by not voting, and lobbying others to not wield the power the constitution gives US. Your right... and your apathetic ignorance. Because without positive change, you only have two options: comply or break the laws. With the vote, there is the option to CHANGE THE LAWS.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@chop98 "Logic, logic, logic..."
People who complain when logic isn't on their side simply have no rational point to make.
"come to the conclusion that stats are manipulated to fit any agenda"
I would be happy to if you would provide evidence that the population statistics are manipulated or the number of voters voting is being manipulated to intentionally show that fewer than the majority are voting. And if true, then I fail to see how not voting makes some statement.
balanceseeker 7 months ago
@balanceseeker - But not voting does make a statement... it says, "I don't matter, and I'm willing to act like a baby and cry & complain, and let others control my life... and refuse to grow up and take responsibility for my life, my family, my country. That's other people job. Now leave me alone!" Waaaaaaa
Seems like a pretty clear statement to me, doesn't it to you?? Feel free to add me on facebook - let me know if you want an invite to any of the political groups that advocate voting.
foghornleg90 7 months ago
@balanceseeker Because by voting, you are giving these people consent through your signature on the dotted voting ballot line to continue with what they do. Voting is a privilege mentioned in the CONstitution. These scummy politicians want you to place all your confidence and faith in them instead of yourself... which is where it belongs. You turn over every bit of leadership to them by signing at the end after voting. Remember that part? They don't tell you it furthers contracts with them.
chop98 7 months ago
@chop98 *confused pained look*
And not voting means what? That the government is not legitimate? Come on.
Further, I have plenty of self-confidence. Enough so that I am not afraid of voting as being some sort of signing over of my rights -- or whatever it is you think I am signing over. It is my ability to impact who governs, which impacts the direction the country takes. It isn't the most direct form of democracy; in fact it is a republic. Still, what would you replace it with? And how?
balanceseeker 7 months ago