I wrote a 15-page term paper about Net Neutrality last semester. I feel it's important to clarify that, according to obscene amounts of research on the subject, censorship generally isn't the problem with net neutrality, but that neutrality proponents don't appreciate how difficult it is to essentially remove the TCP/IP protocol from the entire Internet as we know it and replace it with something 'fairer', an unquantifiable and unmeasurable goal anyway. Still a problem of ignorance though.
The TCP/IP protocol adds packet headers to data which NN proponents claim can be used by ISPs to sniff packets. While *possible*, it's usually a waste of money and effort for an ISP to do this because the payoff is both meager and indirect, whereas the loss of customers for doing this results in a very real profit drop. The intended purpose behind packet headers is to maximize data transmission efficiency (hence "Transmission Control" Protocol). There's nothing scary or sinister about it.
@Humblewillis Here is a article from the BBC news titled "Business: The Economy The trillion dollar surplus ". If you read it it tells you what Clinton had planned for that Surplus. Spending down the $3.7 trillion deficit by 2015 and increasing spending on Medicare and Social Security. It also said what the Republicans had planned for that Surplus. Tax Cuts for the Rich. What happened when Bush got into office? Tax Cuts for the rich.
@ec123456789able Typical liberal. Don't have a real argument so you make false assumptions, post them as facts, and change the subject and hope no one notices you don't know what you're talking about. Good job, troll.
@HumbleWillis hmm, I realize my comment was to be taken in that way. I suppose I made it for the reason that I had watched a lot of Doren's videos in a row and had seen some of the comments that were subscribing to his views with totality.
I don't think Doren is stupid, he is clearly intelligent, unlike his friend Crowder. However his videos inspire the most insipid conservative remarks and I was just frustrated. I am not making an excuse, perhaps I was wrong to make such a comment. But even so
This rant is full of far right idealologies that make a compelling argument. Too bad they are like the same far right ideologies that had the country for eight years and managed to run it into the ground after being handed a country with a surplus. I have an idea. Instead of using your intelligence to discredit the left view, try using your intelligence to see if your parties own ideologies are really valid. For instance check Tax Cuts 1890 - 1896
@FrankiePoker Tax cuts have failed to create jobs in the United States and they cost the country revenue. They sure helped create jobs in countries like Mexico, China and other countries with cheap labor. I guess that is why deregulation and breaking the Unions fit so well into the Republicans jobs program. Then they move companies back here and create jobs with cheap labor like the countries where all the jobs lost here during the Bush Administration went to.
@up2driveacct Go back and REALLY look at the Clinton years. The years he was in surplus he had a REPUBLICAN congress writing all the laws. Then at the end of his presidency he had a Democratic congress ... and notice that during those years the surplus was fading fast. By the time Bush took over the DEMOCRATIC congress had drained the coffers, then 9/11 happened and spending went out of control for a few years. Then Republicans took congress and we started saving money again.
@HumbleWillis What drivel. Reagan was the inventor of the Trillion Dollar Deficit. He taught us that by living on an unlimited credit card, we could be 'rich' for awhile.
@HumbleWillis even the BBC in 1998 knew what Clinton wanted to do with the surplus it is no secret. He paid off part of the $3.7 trillion dollar defecit and had it on schedule to be paid off by 2015 and was wanting to increase spending on social security and medicare with the surplus. The republican on the other hand according to the article wanted to give tax cuts to the rich. What happened when Bush got into office shows you who got their way.
Hey, you neglected to mention that "Obamacare" was written by republican's in 1995 as a 'pro-business alternative to the Clinton Healthcare Plan'. So... who exactly are we supposed to vote for? The idiots who wrote the plan, or the idiot to implemented it?
@HumbleWillis Incorrect: The public record indicates it was written by 18 republicans and 2 moderate democrats. Unless you are making the point that ALL legislation is written in this way, in which case the point is moot anyway.
@oakstave yeah ... the public record of what happened behind closed doors. Didn't Obama promise this would go on CSpan so that we could all see what really goes on? Oh, but it wasn't on CSpan ... we just have to take their word for it.
@HumbleWillis I seen congress in session debating Health Care reform and seen what was going on. I think it was cspan but not sure. I remember congress in session for the Health Care Reform debates so yes it was on.
@HumbleWillis: I guess if you are correct, the question changes to: Why were the Republicans hiring socialist Union members to write their legislation? What exactly was the relationship between Neo-Cons and Socialist Unions?
And you talk so fast that you distort my senses.. no one with a little bit of critical thinking could actually follow the bunch of crap a brain-unwired mouth produces.. using science for this kind of wrong-doing and world sickening exercises of economic enterprise.. more unethical one couldnt put it so young and already so corrupted...............
And what has the undemocratic structures of your own country done with its landscape, quality of life and animals in big farms or you greedy bastard Exactly that they have turn your beautiful country into crap
You may have some interesting things to say but you clearly have no idea how video or TV work. You may want to take a look at nyvs.com for some basic instruction. If you are going to make all this effort, you should at least create something that is at least watchable. Also, you need to upgrade your audio,
thug mentality of the left? lol bush stole 2 elections from the United States; must have been the thug liberals behind that one. This dude drinks too much coffee.
No limits coverage is working in other advanced nations, tied with large preventative care programs to reduce the need for expensive life-saving care down the line,.
Damn that mouth clacks a lot... and too fast. Repetition required for the dull witted, eh.
Don't blindly pair up leftist/liberal ideals with men such as Chavez and shit. He's not anymore leftist than Bush. Just lowly men who want as much power and money in the most viable way to get 'em. If Bush were in Chavez shoes he'd have done the same and vice-versa. Point is both have had a similar negative impact in this world and are unjustly well off in life. The same base premise for revolt.
thank you for your opinion. it is as valid as anyone else's. however, when your opinion is spread throughout the consciousness of man via the internet we begin to have a problem. what you don't realize is that your opinion is just one in a sea of opinions. you don't realize that the rest of the world is watching YOU, America. you don't realize that no matter how many times you've been told that your country and way of life are the best, America is becoming a third world nation. OPEN YOUR EYES!
@MaioribusVerum I don't need to "back up" the fact that you have a poor understanding of Christianity when you repeatedly call the Christian God a totalitarian dictator and justify your bigoted statements by putting forth the incredibly childish view of Hell and sin, as if it's literally a lake of fire and brimstone where people who dare not worship the big scary evil deity go and are tortured for all eternity. You have no credibility at all if you think that's Christian doctrine.
@MaioribusVerum With your hatred, arrogance, and ignorance thus established, don't expect further replies from me unless you've got something intellectually honest to put forth. (Hint: Projecting your flaws about closed-minded bigotry onto others isn't intellectually honest and will not merit a response.)
@MaioribusVerum No bigot here... The one true God is all good, but not all Christian's or Jew's for that matter are good. "Yes of course Islam is bad, but Christianity all good. And the religious bigot shows his true ugly face." That is simply a ridiculous statement. Have you ever read the Bible? I find it is always good to research what you are discussing.
On the Marx quote, I do not see a reason not to prove a point by using the words of the person being discussed, you don't agree?
@MaioribusVerum communism and anarchy are bad for the people, what is needed is in the middle. Democracy isn't perfect (ability of mob rule). Soc. Democracy isn't better then Democracy, the people have less rights and freedom's. The 1st good and lasting experiment in gov'nt is the U.S. Const., a Republic. But, without out vigilance by the people of that gov'nt it will fall, as it seems to be leaning now. The free choice of the people is always the best which is why your kind will always fail...
@MaioribusVerum If you mean Islam as the religion you are discussing then I wholeheartedly agree with you. But, the one true God "I AM" has helped many out of enslavement, so to that I would say a resounding NO.
Karl Marx: a rich man trying to rule over the poor may not be openly evil. But, to trick people into giving up their rights to the gov'nt; that is evil! Right's from the creator shall not be held by anyone but the individual that received them. Your ignorance is incredible and consuming.
@MaioribusVerum I will agree with you if you can show me were O'Reilly, Beck, or Palin wrote books extolling how to take the right's away from the people and to enslave them. Fair enough? "Plus there is no proof something similar wouldn't have happened without his work." WHAT??? They were following his idea's, they used the Communist Manifesto as the template to follow. Are you smoking something before you post??
You are unbelievable. Your teacher's have scrubbed your grey matter well.
@MaioribusVerum If anyone steals from another person that is theft. But your theory on;"the one sitting up there stealing everything from everyone?" If you mean someone that build's a product and sells it for a profit, that isn't theft, that's business. The people do not have to buy it, unlike Venezuela where Chavez is closing all the public market's and making the people shop only in gov'nt stores is more like theft. How about taxing people illegally and using the gov'nt to collect is theft
@MaioribusVerum Christian Science Monitor is Conservative?? If you mean based on the belief as in the Bible that one should be responsible first for one's self and then able to help others to be self responsible (independent in their ability to fend for themselves) then yes they would be considered "Conservative" but to lean one way or the other politically you are really pushing it, unlike your touting socialist and government run news sources. Learn to research before answering.
@MaioribusVerum Would "the book of a ignorant conservative moron" be equal to the book of a ignorant liberal/social moron such as Karl Marx, Friedrick Engels, George Bernard Shaw or Margaret Sanger which all their books together don't add up to all of Glenn Beck's books?? How about Hayak's book "Road to Serfdom" selling more books in 2010 then it had from 1948 until 2009. The people are waking up to this socialist stupidity, maybe just maybe your alarm will go off soon...
@MaioribusVerum Seriously??? "but I believe the pros outweighs the cons." So if you believe it is right for all?? Are you the one who took his football home when we wouldn't run your play's back in the day? Paying the taxes you owe IS the right thing to do. Paying taxes that are going to ridiculous things, such as Bridge's to no where, Studies on the sperm count of Bulls, or to have farmers not grow crop's, lifetime welfare benefit's is wrong and should never be pushed on the people.
@MaioribusVerum First she was born Sept 14, 1879. She was a Fabian Socialist as was Darwin, he was one of the founders. His idea of infanticide was moved forward in the United States with Margaret. His Idea on evolution, thinning of the herd, was moved forward in the Darwin institute's, Insane asylums, which where finally closed in the United States in the early 1970's. You can attempt to hide the truth but it is evident in recent history.
@MaioribusVerum Your PM says God is comparable to Hitler and Stalin because they're all totalitarian dictators who punish detractors, among other incendiary claims. Laughable, on many fronts, not only because it's like you're TRYING to look like a bigot, but your understanding of sin, hell, etc. is like 5-year-old's. Yet you continue to say you don't hate religion. I've known for a while now that you're incapable of intellectually honest debate, but now I'm beginning to question your sanity.
@MaioribusVerum I could go on but it'd practically by a copy-paste of my last comment since you obviously didn't comprehend what I was getting at before. You can't prove your point and you say I can't prove mine. Well, I don't have to. You do. YOU have the onus of proof, not me.
@MaioribusVerum Just because you reject the facts that we know about the good religion does (or downplay them) doesn't mean we - as in society as a whole - don't know what the world would be without religion.
@MaioribusVerum You keep pretending you're this open-minded guy who doesn't hate religion, yet you assert that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are inherently bad and totalitarian. You're wasting my time.
1) ... That's it? Some "they're not ALL Christian" and "you can't prove"s? For the former... and? So? I knew that. The point stands regardless. For the latter... you should realize those undermine your argument more than mine. In fact, "you can't prove" was part of my argument about yours. Turning it back around means nothing because the onus is on you to prove your assertion against what is generally accepted.
2) Yep, without government is anarchy. Just because government has some negatives doesn't mean the world would be better without it. Same with organized religion. You basically proved my point.
@MaioribusVerum Like all haters of Christianity and religion, you hold a double standard, purposefully crafted as a barrier impossible for logic to breach: Everything an individual Christian does is blamed on Christianity as a whole, yet everything good an individual Christian does was his doing alone and would be done without religion at all. (continues)
@MaioribusVerum (continued) The reality is that human beings are imperfect. They will be imperfect with or without religion. To blame a system designed to promote moral values in society, establish true charity, and teach moral principles and personal responsibility to individuals for the behavior of those that fail to meet those high standards is just asinine.
@MaioribusVerum Just stating the facts as I see 'em, sir. (For context, in case some random passerby sees this, that guy's spewing vulgarity left and right - though I'm sure most of you trolls don't care about that - and says religion is inherently bad and Christianity is totalitarian. Calling him a "hater" or insulting his debate skill is hardly on par.)
@MaioribusVerum Spoken like a true hater. A reasonable agnostic or open-minded "atheist" would never use such language. If you're open to the idea of a supernatural being, it's ridiculous that you'd be utterly closed to sacred scripture or prophets. Skeptical, sure, but you've gone beyond that. Again, you directly compared Christianity, Judaism, and Islam to Nazism and said they're all totalitarian. You ARE a militant atheist (by the generally accepted definition, not the literal "militant").
@MaioribusVerum The moral fabric of most of world culture was created by the religious. That's just historical fact. Many people don't fully think out their positions - that doesn't mean that the position they're in has taken the logic train all the way down to the last stop required of the assumptions they've made in their reasoning. This is covered in basic logic and basic philosophy courses. It's relevant because if you refuse to take the train all the way, you may be on the wrong train.
@MaioribusVerum Your protests are amusing. I didn't compare it to Stalinism. I simply pointed out the fact that militant atheism was the official stance of the Soviets. HOWEVER, YOU directly compared Christianity to Stalinism, Navism, etc., and said it is totalitarian (along with Islam and Judaism).
@MaioribusVerum Look, the "atheism has to go to nihilism" thing is a debate I find interesting and I've had it many times before, but YouTube comments aren't fitting for the kind of lengthy talk that's required. Besides, talking with militant atheists, it never goes anywhere. Talking with more reasonable, less militant ones, however, has resulted in more interesting discussions. In any case, an example of someone not following the logic is not a refutation of the logic.
@MaioribusVerum And now you put more words in my mouth. I mentioned the Soviets to counter the predictable nonsense about Nazis and that served its purpose. Nowhere did I say all communists are evil. Human-run Communism is another topic.
The fact is that you've been attacking religion and particularly Christianity at length, calling it totalitarian and comparing it to Nazism. You can sugar coat that is "not hate, I swear" all you want but it's sugar-coated dung still smells like dung.
@MaioribusVerum You're such a civil and respectful person, y'know. It's such a joy "debating" you. (That'd be sarcasm for those not following the context.)
@MaioribusVerum Atheists pride themselves on being oh-so-logical. If they refuse to ride the logic train because they don't like its destination, it most certainly does matter. Moreover, it'd matter in any case because logic always matters in philosophy even if practically speaking the logical conclusion is ignored. And yes, nihilism is the only logical conclusion if there is no inherent reason for life, as is the case if this is all just some cosmic accident with no greater purpose.
@MaioribusVerum You are so very, very, bad at this. You're taking issue with whether a discussion on war would be NECESSARY to address your claim about Iraq/Afghanistan wars... and you defend that with... opening up with a bit of discussion on war. Seriously? Next I suppose you'll take issue with my asserting that addressing the death penalty claim would necessitate a discussion on the death penalty being applied to convicted hardcore criminals vs other things like war and abortion.
@MaioribusVerum And now you're a mind-reader who knows how I see things - and oh, what a coincidence, it's in some stereotypically blind way to see things. Even though you've no evidence that I see things in "black and white" at all... except of course that I'm religious. But you don't hate religion at all now, do you? No, of course not. You've simply determined that all religions are evil and all religious people are blind. How could that possibly be confused with bigotry?
@MaioribusVerum "it's not any better to say that you're against killing and then kill someone than to say that you're willing to kill someone and then kill someone"
So? Geeze man, you're poking holes in your own argument. I only held that example up to show how yours is flawed.
@MaioribusVerum Red herring. Discussion of this necessitates a whole other discussion about the war and likely war in general, something of which you no doubt have many misunderstandings, but happily it's immediately dismissable because *those atheists aren't nihilists*. (continues)
@MaioribusVerum (continued) The reason most atheists (who don't believe in some non-deity form of spirituality) aren't nihilists is because they either don't really think out the implications of their views or if they do, they arbitrarily stop themselves before progressing toward the natural conclusion of their belief system - that nothing matters.
@MaioribusVerum Well, since you don't have the authority to draw the line in the sand, who are you to say it's "wrong" if some nutter runs up to you and stabs you in the chest? Sure, I'd agree that's wrong, but he doesn't, and who are you to tell him otherwise?
@MaioribusVerum I'll agree that blind faith is bad, but you really ought to be more concerned with something closer to home: Your blind hatred of religion.
@MaioribusVerum So? And that changes my OVERALL argument, how? The Soviets had a POLICY of militant atheism, okay? I've gone down these side avenues to show how your arguments are bad. You poking holes in them in a fashion that necessarily pokes holes in yours does you no favors. I'm not arguing with reality. Not that you'd know, given your apparent divorce from it.
@MaioribusVerum You didn't address it. You hand-waved it away. In any case, you've completely failed to address my points 1 and 2 above about religion's role for good (charity, etc.) and government's role in war, instead focusing on word games.
@MaioribusVerum As for the rest of your post, your opinion about what is and is not parisan isn't persuasive. Studies tell us otherwise. See for example the Project for Excellence in Journalism's accounting of 2008 presidential election coverage.
@MaioribusVerum What gives you the moral authority to draw that line? Logically, following your (flawed) initial reasoning and dismissing the fiat you've declared without some sort of intrinsic backing, if I don't think murder is a sin, then there's "nothing wrong" with killing people just for kicks. And a nihilist would most certainly be less likely to find a problem with that than a Christian would, and nihilism is the only logical conclusion to atheist thought.
@MaioribusVerum Look, if you're just going to outright dismiss the declared policy of militant atheism inherent to the Soviets and follow that up with babble about the Nazis being "Christian" despite Hitler only using "Christian speech" when talking to the masses while he used decidedly anti-Christian speech elsewhere... it's not worth discussing this with you.
@MaioribusVerum Actually, it is the point. As I said: Better a hypocrite than one who doesn't have standards to break. And putting scare quotes around "Leftist media" only embarrasses yourself. Look at the polls. EVERYONE except for hardcore Leftists (who are in denial, or very, very dense) knows Western media leans heavily Left. Even moderate Democrats admit it, and that's the only fair conclusion to be reached given the data of all credible studies on the topic by nonpartisan organizations.
1) Without religions like Christianity, charities and the like wouldn't have the arguments of eternal salvation and the like to persuade people to do good. And don't give me some crap about how people would do that anyway without the moral systems that guide them: You cannot prove it would happen to the same degree.
2) Without government, the vast majority of wars - ALL wars, not just those done in the name of religion - wouldn't have happened. Oh sure, there'd still be conflict, but nothing like those massive organized assaults. Does this mean we should abolish government, then?
@MaioribusVerum The intellectually honest historian doesn't get to pick and choose. You don't get to blame, e.g., the Crusades on "Christianity" instead of the leaders of the church (a church I never belonged to) that simply proved the maxim that power corrupts. If you use that standard, we can certainly say atheism has killed more people than Christianity ever did, with the militant atheism that is a core *principle* of the Soviet state (fair, since it's enshrined in their laws and policies).
@MaioribusVerum So you are saying the communist manifesto he co-wrote with Engels in 1848 didn't lead to anything? you are really stretching the use of anything here aren't you now. By the way Marx wrote that socialism is the best way to lead the people from capitalism to communism, and you explain that they have "nothing to do with one another". I am continuing to post to you so that you can see the truth that has been hided from you and your countrymen.
@MaioribusVerum On evolution, one would have to be an idiot not to believe in evolution. But to say we came from ape/chimp's again one would have to be an idiot. According to biologist's the DNA of human's to plants is closer than that of human's to ape/Chimp's.
Nice try to use a vague statement to push a ludicrous argument. This is the same as you saying I don't believe in climate change when you are arguing CO2 and Global warming. Not everyone is as uneducated as you believe them to be.
@MaioribusVerum Darwins thought's on the subject of society are in direct relation to has thought's on the survival of the strong. That is were his belief of thinning the "herd" came from. He and Margaret Sanger both progressives not believers of capitalism, came up with the idea of using abortion and seralization to stop the population of minorities and the handicapped (as previously mentioned). You can keep slinging BS, and I will keep showing the truth.
@MaioribusVerum You don't seem to understand what the word "debunked" is, and even Left-wing historians would "facepalm" your assertions about Franklin. You're so bitterly invested in your preconceived notions, it's practically hopeless.
@MaioribusVerum Oh, and there are plenty of scandals involving Democrats, and most of those incidents involve "Christians" as well. Ever heard of Edwards? The difference is the double standard of Leftists and the media.
@MaioribusVerum There is in fact "proof" (as close as we can get to it with the historical records that are available) that Judaism and then Christianity advanced moral philosophy significantly. As for who killing who is worse... what in the world are you babbling about. Now, I'm used to goons like you creating strawmen and trying to put words in my mouth, but that came completely out of left field (heh, in a couple of ways, at least).
@MaioribusVerum "Liberal Fascism" is full of footnotes and lengthy quotes from not-conservative authors. History is examined in detail. The fallacy you're describing isn't used at all. Shocking, I know, since that socialism-friendly blog you've been reading tells you otherwise. Simply dismissing the book is rather foolish, and thinking your argument here is persuasive is silly.
It's like you're *trying* to look like a historically-illiterate, petulant Marxist manchild - or an America-hating, history-revisionist, Marxist troll.
@MaioribusVerum "So you are saying that if I disagree with you I should just shut up and let your theory's go uncontested?"
No, I'm saying you should be logical, which it is obvious you are incapable of being. For example, saying Marx attacked religion in general as a defense against his own antisemitic words. Yes, he hated religion in general. That's hardly a positive trait (though I'm sure his fellow haters think otherwise) and doesn't counter his antisemitic words. Your argument has no legs.
@MaioribusVerum How is it logical to say that we'd be better off without the primary source of our moral codes simply because man has broken those codes? Your argument reminds me of those tools who say Christian Republicans who, say, break their marital vows are worse than some non-Christian guy doing the same thing because the latter guy's not so much of a hypocrite. Sorry, but evil's evil, and at least TRYING to avoid it is far better than the alternative.
@MaioribusVerum I don't care if you tell me fascism also has to do with loving dogs more than cats and some study shows most American conservatives love dogs more than cats while for liberals it's the opposite. WHO BLOODY CARES? IT'S STILL ABOUT BIG GOVERNMENT AT ITS CORE, THE ANTITHESIS OF AMERICAN CONSERVATISM. PLUS it was developed by people who were SOCIALIST ACTIVISTS to begin with. They hardly had some conservative background to influence their way of thinking.
@MaioribusVerum Besides that, as you've just shown, what the Leftist argument essentially boils down to is this: Fascism is bad. Conservativism is bad. They must be the same! Fill in the details as you like: racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever you want... never mind that "conservativism is inherently racist" is nothing more than slander and runs counter to history, e.g. the KKK being considered the militant wing of the Democratic Party. Never mind that. Hardly genius-level thinking, guys.
@MaioribusVerum You're rather pathetic, honestly. Did you even read the book, with its many citations, direct quotes from the New York Times, etc. etc., or did you just decide to take the Leftist blog's stance as the "word of God" on what the book actually says?
@canofsand For the record, Goldberg's book is a scholarly work. It doesn't say "being for big government makes you a fascist." It spells out the actual, documented history of fascism and the support for fascists by journalists and many others (which is why I brought it up at all). Again, you didn't even read ANY of the portions of the book I linked you to, did you? No, of course not. You couldn't even repeat my purpose of linking that (HISTORY, not saying who's fascist) with an eye to accuracy.
Wait wait wait You're characterizing communists with the Left? Sense when were Liberal Communists you utterly make no sense in ANY of your accusations.
@MaioribusVerum Do you do everything with "Cliff's Notes"? It look's that way. Germany was in hyper-inflation created by the Kaiser. The Gov'nt printed billion's of $ without any backing, making the "Mark" worthless. Hitler blamed the "Reichsbank" (bankers) instead of the gov'nt and took every person in Germany's Gold, Diamond's, Silver, Art, whatever was of value, and with the help of Lenin, Mussolini and others built the Nazi machine. Read the documents of the era, not the crap written today.
@MaioribusVerum In my experience, in a setting like this it is only the fools who don't understand the difference between right-wing in the U.S. and "right-wing" in Europe bring up that canard. So, do you understand that the "right wing" in the U.S. are for SMALL GOVERNMENT and that therefore comparisons to FASCISM are utterly RIDICULOUS, or are you going to pursue that irrational, insane, and flat out dishonest line of "debate" in an attempt to avoid dealing with reality while you smear others?
@MaioribusVerum As for examples, you say that as if you doubt they exist. You only further prove your ignorance.
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@MaioribusVerum Oh yes, you're not "advocating" for anything. You're just defending Marx against those who dare question his character or ideas. It's just a coincidence that every time those ideas are tried, tyranny is the result. Oh and don't you dare say Marx was an antisemite or a racist! His saying that the world needed to be purged of the Jewish spirit, that the world needs to be emancipated from (be rid of) Judaism, that's not antisemitic at all!
@MaioribusVerum Oh, also: "Social democrats" do not have an ideology that has proven "successful" by any rational interpretation of those terms (except to those of like mind, but of course saying so is redundant). (Besides, calling yourself a social democrat yet defending Marx is hardly convincing; it's not something an informed, intellectually honest person would do. Marxists avoid calling themselves "Marxists," after all, preferring other terms, like "progressive" in the U.S. Just ask them.)
"If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it?" - Benjamin Franklin
Obviously you've bought the illogical, history revisionist line so the wisdom of Ben Franklin isn't likely to persuade you (after all, he's one of those bad bad evil Founding Fathers guys with their eeevil ideas about freedom for the people and the marketplace, oh how I hate those guys!), but it's wisdom whether or not you'll bother thinking about it honestly.
@MaioribusVerum Really?? Stop thinking in Black and White?? Now that is funny coming from a person that explains "everyone should be equal, if one makes more then he should give to the one that makes less", Isn't that "Black and White"? You really are bad at this. I hope you didn't lose all your debate's in public school.
@MaioribusVerum I love your use of famous quotes... Famous, why, because the communist/socialist's can use them to make their "useful idiot's" think it is correct because some rich clown said hey we all deserve equality. When what he meant was these peasant's are costing us to much we can get them cheaper if we take their right's away while telling them they will get more right's with us controlling them.
Keep walking that line self professed intelligent one.
@MaioribusVerum You:"Marx ideas... ...AND EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF IT WAS WRONG some of it can be used." Wondering, why do you use a person as your scholar of knowledge in a discussion that you explain to be mostly wrong? You:"Darwin was correct for the most part", which part would that be? Would it be the part that explained killing the weak, disabled, or mongrel's(what he and Margaret called black's? Is that the part that was correct? That was the main idea from him. Try reading...
Sean Penn should be put in prison for promulgating tyrannical ideas. On one hand I guess he can't help being terminally stupid, but unfortunately some people take him seriously. Of course I actually believe in the 1st amendment unlike the aforementioned useful idiot. If we're lucky, maybe his P.R. handlers will put a muzzle on him.
@MaioribusVerum Equality: –noun, the state or quality of being equal; correspondence in quantity, degree, value, rank, or ability. THAT DEFINITION? So by equality you mean if "Jonah" works 14 hours a day and "Sven" works 8 hours a day, Jonah get's 175% of what Sven get's? What if Sven's 8 hrs are sweeping the street and Michael's 8 hrs are creating nuclear fusion reactor's, do they get equal pay? Or a Brain surgeon and a cashier, same salary??
@MaioribusVerum Slowly growing is to dead in the water, as communism is to socialism. The same thing. I'll try to type slowly for you, YOUR ECONOMY IS HINGED ON OIL EXPORTATION... Norway isn't DEPENDENT ON OIL, it is DEPENDENT ON OIL EXPORTATION. You:"Statistical analysis made by... ...has concluded that even though we would have to make big cuts in spending...", were do you cut? Healthcare? Welfare? Education? raise retirement age? Let us see how socialism work's when you cut. Can you say RIOT
@MaioribusVerum Out of my Ass??? It is your country that listed their ethic diversity, not me. You think that lying about thing's will work? People do know how to research, do you? Anyone that follows blindly is deserving of the socialist state you are trying so hard to push.
@MaioribusVerum Your qoute:"you are saying that stocks and loan contracts... ...doesn't mean anything?" Loan contracts only mean something when the borrower can pay the loan. What happens when the borrower cannot pay? It is a loss. Stocks? Are you serious, have you not been paying attention to the world economies and the stock market's? Stocks are based on need, if it isn't needed or cannot be afforded the price plummet's. You have a clue? Why ask these ridiculous questions then? READ, LEARN
@MaioribusVerum "Some scholars say"?? SOME SCHOLARS SAY?? Man, are you ever in denial. It's disgusting the lengths your type will go to to defend a man whose ideas have directly led to such extreme evil in this world.
I'm sorry but I think FOX news are popular is because they have the slogan "fair and balanced" and to those who understand semantics would know what I mean. People...
I thought politics was all about twisting rules and going around loops to get stuff done. Wouldn't it be nice if both sides played nice? But they don't, so sometimes you can only pick the lesser of two evils.
@hergs wages are flat because of minimum wage. when we arbitrarily raise people's wages instead allowing businesses to charge based on productivity, then you have inflation which hurts everybody. the rich do need to be kept in check by government (that is essential for capitalism to work) but there is a difference between fair trade and central planning
Nope, real wages are correlated to the minimum wage. One thing that has almost never been raised for the past 30 years is minimum wage, and wages for the first time on record history has been below 1974.
@ConservingStupid Almost never been raised? Minimum wage started at .75 in 1955 and is 7.25 now. Even if you adjust for inflation, .75 is around 4.00. We've been raising them consistently which surprise leads to prices rising and inflation eventually taking place. And the reason wages are so low all around is because businesses are forced to raise everyone's wages without accounting for productivity, and people who deserve raises for their work don't get them because their boss can't afford
Hold on a sec, Wikileaks, the organization you bashed a few short months ago, released information that you found of value and helped prove your point. I thought Wikileaks was a socialist, anti-american political organization. Am I supposed to hate them or support them?
@MaioribusVerum Oh it was dictatorship that lifted Germany out of ruins? It wasn't the Mass Murder of Millions, the world war that they lost, and had money from America, 100's of Billions of dollars, the take over of half the country by Russia. I see it was the "dick-tator" Hitler that did it. WOW!!, sounds like we are back on the trains ran on time scenario. We all must look at the whole picture, or else these socialist fools will trick the people into again believing this meconium (Baby Sh*t).
@MaioribusVerum ChristianSciMon: 6/10/2010 Inflation 30%, Crime highest in Latin America "LA", Economy down 3.3% in 2009 and dropping further in 2010 5.8% in first two quarter's. JerseyShore, from Ven. news report August 2010, Chavez his military removing products from shelves of stores that raise prices after he devalued the Boliva. YouTube:Venezuelan Shoppers Confront Rationing, Shortages. Funny how it is always the socialist's who blame Capitalist's for issue they created themselves.
@MaioribusVerum "many of the benefits of the social missions are being overshadowed by the larger problems afflicting Ven. society now, crime(most violent inLatin Amer "LA") and inflation (@ 30%). The economy shrank by 3.3% (2009), this year as well (only LA country to do so)... A mother, who did not share her name, “Who is the thief? The one desperate in the street who steals or the one sitting up there stealing everything from everyone? You tell me!” she said." from the ChristianScienceMon.
@MaioribusVerum You remind me of the people extolling the virtues of Hitler making the trains run on time. (Note to the history challenged: Many of those people worked for the New York Times.)
Venezuela is far better than it used to be. It went backward a bit because of the world capitalist crisis, but things have gotten better. Also, the TV station he shut down supported the illegal coup against him in 2002. Do you think that if there was a failed coup in the US the government wouldn't shut down a broadcaster if they supported an illegal undemocratic coup?
@YourTubeSpellChecker The television stations in America have the freedom of speech as we have seen during the Bush years with CNN and MSNBC. But more to the point we, the U.S. are not a democratic form of government we are a Republic. Do any of you know what form of government you are attempting to discuss or what?
What if I was to say to you your government, the U.K., is a dictatorship, would I be correct?
@xtaxplayer I wasn't asking you for your opinion on American form of government. I was asking HTWW whether he thinks that if a US broadcaster could get away with supporting an undemocratic coup, and acts of terrorism . . . and still be around to broadcast after? HTWW is a clueless Libertarian who knows nothing of Venezuela, and is utterly unwilling to judge his ideology or his nation by the same standards he judges others.
@YourTubeSpellChecker You must know him well, considering you just described yourself. Chavez having his military TAKE food off the shelves of markets when they raise prices only after he devalued the dollar is only done to hurt the people. You should use the same standard's to judge your country, people dying of thirst in a hospital. They die after drinking as much water as they can get from the potted plants, fun how the hospital has the time to give water to the plants.
This broadcaster by the way was supporting an illegal coup in which innocent people were murdered in a campaign of terrorism. And its closure is proof that Chavez is a dictator? You do the math numbnuts . . .
@YourTubeSpellChecker Before I believe your information on the "broadcaster", which by the way is a person not a whole television station, I would definitely have to see the documented reports. So where can I find them, in order to do my research. Researching information you hear is the only way to know the truth in the world, considering how many lie's the progressive/communist/fascist/socialist, (same group but so many names, why would that be), are alway's spouting.
@xtaxplayer There are plenty of reports of RCTV's support of the coup. They also tried to blame the terrorist acts of the capitalist right (sniping pro-Chavez demonstrators in the street) on Chavez. Look it up it's all there.
@MaioribusVerum You are so funny. Chavez took the food from the shelves of the stores in 2009 and let it rot in warehouses to show the people that he was the power and they would starve, same communist/socialist play book as Moa and Lenin, without him. Start doing research of the news you read.
@MaioribusVerum Karl Marx denounced the Jewish people. He and Hilter, both Jewish, held the Jewish people the blame for all the financial problems in the world. I am really tiring of your lack of historical knowledge.
@MaioribusVerum Darwin's idea's are interesting but that doesn't make them correct. Margaret Sanger's idea's on eugenics's are interesting but also racist and murderous. Property ownership of the people is communal, not in his writing's to Vera Zaulich; "Ideally, all peasants in the rural commune would "OWN" or have access to an equal share of the land operated by the commune."
Suck's to be so wrong doesn't it. It's ok, the letters were from 1881. You probably think 1940 was a long time ago.
Hey Lee, you should follow up with a video that shows what the right has done to help people in the U.S. I think this would be a VERY short list. Prove me wrong.
@HowTheWorldWorks Actually, the "right" are exactly the same as the "left" with their only argument being which "side" gets to tax-farm us into equalitarian poverty and send our children off to die in their wars of domination. It's the same "difference" as between communists and fascists...
I wrote a 15-page term paper about Net Neutrality last semester. I feel it's important to clarify that, according to obscene amounts of research on the subject, censorship generally isn't the problem with net neutrality, but that neutrality proponents don't appreciate how difficult it is to essentially remove the TCP/IP protocol from the entire Internet as we know it and replace it with something 'fairer', an unquantifiable and unmeasurable goal anyway. Still a problem of ignorance though.
draketheduelist 1 week ago
The TCP/IP protocol adds packet headers to data which NN proponents claim can be used by ISPs to sniff packets. While *possible*, it's usually a waste of money and effort for an ISP to do this because the payoff is both meager and indirect, whereas the loss of customers for doing this results in a very real profit drop. The intended purpose behind packet headers is to maximize data transmission efficiency (hence "Transmission Control" Protocol). There's nothing scary or sinister about it.
draketheduelist 1 week ago
@Humblewillis Here is a article from the BBC news titled "Business: The Economy The trillion dollar surplus ". If you read it it tells you what Clinton had planned for that Surplus. Spending down the $3.7 trillion deficit by 2015 and increasing spending on Medicare and Social Security. It also said what the Republicans had planned for that Surplus. Tax Cuts for the Rich. What happened when Bush got into office? Tax Cuts for the rich.
up2driveacct 3 weeks ago
I can't stand this neo-con demogogue, no doubt you support a war in Iran too.
I wonder when someone will tell you how the world works?
ec123456789able 1 month ago
@ec123456789able Typical liberal. Don't have a real argument so you make false assumptions, post them as facts, and change the subject and hope no one notices you don't know what you're talking about. Good job, troll.
HumbleWillis 4 weeks ago
@HumbleWillis hmm, I realize my comment was to be taken in that way. I suppose I made it for the reason that I had watched a lot of Doren's videos in a row and had seen some of the comments that were subscribing to his views with totality.
I don't think Doren is stupid, he is clearly intelligent, unlike his friend Crowder. However his videos inspire the most insipid conservative remarks and I was just frustrated. I am not making an excuse, perhaps I was wrong to make such a comment. But even so
ec123456789able 3 weeks ago
This rant is full of far right idealologies that make a compelling argument. Too bad they are like the same far right ideologies that had the country for eight years and managed to run it into the ground after being handed a country with a surplus. I have an idea. Instead of using your intelligence to discredit the left view, try using your intelligence to see if your parties own ideologies are really valid. For instance check Tax Cuts 1890 - 1896
up2driveacct 3 months ago
@up2driveacct You think tax cuts are the problem?
FrankiePoker 2 months ago
@FrankiePoker Tax cuts have failed to create jobs in the United States and they cost the country revenue. They sure helped create jobs in countries like Mexico, China and other countries with cheap labor. I guess that is why deregulation and breaking the Unions fit so well into the Republicans jobs program. Then they move companies back here and create jobs with cheap labor like the countries where all the jobs lost here during the Bush Administration went to.
up2driveacct 3 weeks ago
@up2driveacct Go back and REALLY look at the Clinton years. The years he was in surplus he had a REPUBLICAN congress writing all the laws. Then at the end of his presidency he had a Democratic congress ... and notice that during those years the surplus was fading fast. By the time Bush took over the DEMOCRATIC congress had drained the coffers, then 9/11 happened and spending went out of control for a few years. Then Republicans took congress and we started saving money again.
HumbleWillis 4 weeks ago
@HumbleWillis What drivel. Reagan was the inventor of the Trillion Dollar Deficit. He taught us that by living on an unlimited credit card, we could be 'rich' for awhile.
oakstave 3 weeks ago
@HumbleWillis even the BBC in 1998 knew what Clinton wanted to do with the surplus it is no secret. He paid off part of the $3.7 trillion dollar defecit and had it on schedule to be paid off by 2015 and was wanting to increase spending on social security and medicare with the surplus. The republican on the other hand according to the article wanted to give tax cuts to the rich. What happened when Bush got into office shows you who got their way.
up2driveacct 3 weeks ago
@up2driveacct If you associate tax cuts with jobs moving to Mexico and China I would love to hear about the correlation.
Even Clinton cut capital gain tax, and the Republican controlled congress and senate controlled the budget leading to
surplus.
Naptownstreetsquid 1 week ago
Laws are written by criminals silly! = P
When are you ever going to learn "how the world works" ? = )
AriloeuLaleelae 3 months ago
Hey, you neglected to mention that "Obamacare" was written by republican's in 1995 as a 'pro-business alternative to the Clinton Healthcare Plan'. So... who exactly are we supposed to vote for? The idiots who wrote the plan, or the idiot to implemented it?
oakstave 4 months ago
@oakstave Ron Paul
FrankiePoker 2 months ago
@oakstave Obamacare was written by Union Lobbyists behind closed doors, not by republicans.
HumbleWillis 4 weeks ago
@HumbleWillis Incorrect: The public record indicates it was written by 18 republicans and 2 moderate democrats. Unless you are making the point that ALL legislation is written in this way, in which case the point is moot anyway.
oakstave 3 weeks ago
@oakstave yeah ... the public record of what happened behind closed doors. Didn't Obama promise this would go on CSpan so that we could all see what really goes on? Oh, but it wasn't on CSpan ... we just have to take their word for it.
HumbleWillis 3 weeks ago
@HumbleWillis I seen congress in session debating Health Care reform and seen what was going on. I think it was cspan but not sure. I remember congress in session for the Health Care Reform debates so yes it was on.
up2driveacct 3 weeks ago
@HumbleWillis: I guess if you are correct, the question changes to: Why were the Republicans hiring socialist Union members to write their legislation? What exactly was the relationship between Neo-Cons and Socialist Unions?
oakstave 3 weeks ago
This is easily the best source of blogspam on the web. Nicely done.
oakstave 4 months ago
Why quote that amazingatheist? I probably pay that losers rent.
sockshovel 6 months ago
A serious look and stern voice does not make your argument. Try thought and reason. It might help.
tracerussell 6 months ago
we get it lee you hate your life
bojanks15 7 months ago
And you talk so fast that you distort my senses.. no one with a little bit of critical thinking could actually follow the bunch of crap a brain-unwired mouth produces.. using science for this kind of wrong-doing and world sickening exercises of economic enterprise.. more unethical one couldnt put it so young and already so corrupted...............
Sophisima 7 months ago
And what has the undemocratic structures of your own country done with its landscape, quality of life and animals in big farms or you greedy bastard Exactly that they have turn your beautiful country into crap
Sophisima 7 months ago
@Sophisima Landscapre - Most of America is not built on. They have not tarmacced over the Rockies as far as I know
Farms - Well people need to eat. Do you want starvation?
Quality of Life - Modern day Americans have such a tough life compared to roaming around desperately trying to find some boar like the Natives.
FrankiePoker 2 months ago
And what has the undemocratic structures of your own country done with its landscape, quality of life and animals in big farms or you greedy bastard
Sophisima 7 months ago
You may have some interesting things to say but you clearly have no idea how video or TV work. You may want to take a look at nyvs.com for some basic instruction. If you are going to make all this effort, you should at least create something that is at least watchable. Also, you need to upgrade your audio,
Rosenblumtv 8 months ago
It's kind of boring of you to celebrate your two year mark by doing the same thing you've always done :/
Happypast 8 months ago
thug mentality of the left? lol bush stole 2 elections from the United States; must have been the thug liberals behind that one. This dude drinks too much coffee.
daddygreenjeens 9 months ago
No limits coverage is working in other advanced nations, tied with large preventative care programs to reduce the need for expensive life-saving care down the line,.
What facts have you to backup what you say?
eminentgentleman 9 months ago
After two years, you still look dead at one point. I'm convinced you've glued your eyes in that position.
Also, these "out of control" liberals, are nothing compared to the out of control conservatives.
Saddler1234 11 months ago
I see you got the Earth spinning in the right direction now.
One step at a time. Take your time. Maybe someday you'll start to understand more complicated things about the world.
WhereTheyAre 1 year ago 2
You have had the Innsmouth look for many years Lee. IA Cthulhu Fthagn!
NewMargaritaville 1 year ago
Damn that mouth clacks a lot... and too fast. Repetition required for the dull witted, eh.
Don't blindly pair up leftist/liberal ideals with men such as Chavez and shit. He's not anymore leftist than Bush. Just lowly men who want as much power and money in the most viable way to get 'em. If Bush were in Chavez shoes he'd have done the same and vice-versa. Point is both have had a similar negative impact in this world and are unjustly well off in life. The same base premise for revolt.
Banzay27 1 year ago
@Banzay27 Yes, all those words are terribly annoying. Best to ignore them
Protege385 1 year ago
thank you for your opinion. it is as valid as anyone else's. however, when your opinion is spread throughout the consciousness of man via the internet we begin to have a problem. what you don't realize is that your opinion is just one in a sea of opinions. you don't realize that the rest of the world is watching YOU, America. you don't realize that no matter how many times you've been told that your country and way of life are the best, America is becoming a third world nation. OPEN YOUR EYES!
bassist3825 1 year ago
Yeah I wouldn't worry about Vince Cable talking shit about Rupert Murdoch; Cable does a lovely foxtrot but he's otherwise less than useless.
MeBeMat 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum I don't need to "back up" the fact that you have a poor understanding of Christianity when you repeatedly call the Christian God a totalitarian dictator and justify your bigoted statements by putting forth the incredibly childish view of Hell and sin, as if it's literally a lake of fire and brimstone where people who dare not worship the big scary evil deity go and are tortured for all eternity. You have no credibility at all if you think that's Christian doctrine.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum With your hatred, arrogance, and ignorance thus established, don't expect further replies from me unless you've got something intellectually honest to put forth. (Hint: Projecting your flaws about closed-minded bigotry onto others isn't intellectually honest and will not merit a response.)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum No bigot here... The one true God is all good, but not all Christian's or Jew's for that matter are good. "Yes of course Islam is bad, but Christianity all good. And the religious bigot shows his true ugly face." That is simply a ridiculous statement. Have you ever read the Bible? I find it is always good to research what you are discussing.
On the Marx quote, I do not see a reason not to prove a point by using the words of the person being discussed, you don't agree?
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum communism and anarchy are bad for the people, what is needed is in the middle. Democracy isn't perfect (ability of mob rule). Soc. Democracy isn't better then Democracy, the people have less rights and freedom's. The 1st good and lasting experiment in gov'nt is the U.S. Const., a Republic. But, without out vigilance by the people of that gov'nt it will fall, as it seems to be leaning now. The free choice of the people is always the best which is why your kind will always fail...
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum If you mean Islam as the religion you are discussing then I wholeheartedly agree with you. But, the one true God "I AM" has helped many out of enslavement, so to that I would say a resounding NO.
Karl Marx: a rich man trying to rule over the poor may not be openly evil. But, to trick people into giving up their rights to the gov'nt; that is evil! Right's from the creator shall not be held by anyone but the individual that received them. Your ignorance is incredible and consuming.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum I will agree with you if you can show me were O'Reilly, Beck, or Palin wrote books extolling how to take the right's away from the people and to enslave them. Fair enough? "Plus there is no proof something similar wouldn't have happened without his work." WHAT??? They were following his idea's, they used the Communist Manifesto as the template to follow. Are you smoking something before you post??
You are unbelievable. Your teacher's have scrubbed your grey matter well.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum If anyone steals from another person that is theft. But your theory on;"the one sitting up there stealing everything from everyone?" If you mean someone that build's a product and sells it for a profit, that isn't theft, that's business. The people do not have to buy it, unlike Venezuela where Chavez is closing all the public market's and making the people shop only in gov'nt stores is more like theft. How about taxing people illegally and using the gov'nt to collect is theft
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Christian Science Monitor is Conservative?? If you mean based on the belief as in the Bible that one should be responsible first for one's self and then able to help others to be self responsible (independent in their ability to fend for themselves) then yes they would be considered "Conservative" but to lean one way or the other politically you are really pushing it, unlike your touting socialist and government run news sources. Learn to research before answering.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Would "the book of a ignorant conservative moron" be equal to the book of a ignorant liberal/social moron such as Karl Marx, Friedrick Engels, George Bernard Shaw or Margaret Sanger which all their books together don't add up to all of Glenn Beck's books?? How about Hayak's book "Road to Serfdom" selling more books in 2010 then it had from 1948 until 2009. The people are waking up to this socialist stupidity, maybe just maybe your alarm will go off soon...
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Seriously??? "but I believe the pros outweighs the cons." So if you believe it is right for all?? Are you the one who took his football home when we wouldn't run your play's back in the day? Paying the taxes you owe IS the right thing to do. Paying taxes that are going to ridiculous things, such as Bridge's to no where, Studies on the sperm count of Bulls, or to have farmers not grow crop's, lifetime welfare benefit's is wrong and should never be pushed on the people.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Jeffery Dahmer was a genius as well, what is your point that we should take cooking advice from him??
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum First she was born Sept 14, 1879. She was a Fabian Socialist as was Darwin, he was one of the founders. His idea of infanticide was moved forward in the United States with Margaret. His Idea on evolution, thinning of the herd, was moved forward in the Darwin institute's, Insane asylums, which where finally closed in the United States in the early 1970's. You can attempt to hide the truth but it is evident in recent history.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Your PM says God is comparable to Hitler and Stalin because they're all totalitarian dictators who punish detractors, among other incendiary claims. Laughable, on many fronts, not only because it's like you're TRYING to look like a bigot, but your understanding of sin, hell, etc. is like 5-year-old's. Yet you continue to say you don't hate religion. I've known for a while now that you're incapable of intellectually honest debate, but now I'm beginning to question your sanity.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum I could go on but it'd practically by a copy-paste of my last comment since you obviously didn't comprehend what I was getting at before. You can't prove your point and you say I can't prove mine. Well, I don't have to. You do. YOU have the onus of proof, not me.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Just because you reject the facts that we know about the good religion does (or downplay them) doesn't mean we - as in society as a whole - don't know what the world would be without religion.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You keep pretending you're this open-minded guy who doesn't hate religion, yet you assert that Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are inherently bad and totalitarian. You're wasting my time.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Hahaha! Debunked? Hardly.
1) ... That's it? Some "they're not ALL Christian" and "you can't prove"s? For the former... and? So? I knew that. The point stands regardless. For the latter... you should realize those undermine your argument more than mine. In fact, "you can't prove" was part of my argument about yours. Turning it back around means nothing because the onus is on you to prove your assertion against what is generally accepted.
(cont)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum (continued)
2) Yep, without government is anarchy. Just because government has some negatives doesn't mean the world would be better without it. Same with organized religion. You basically proved my point.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Like all haters of Christianity and religion, you hold a double standard, purposefully crafted as a barrier impossible for logic to breach: Everything an individual Christian does is blamed on Christianity as a whole, yet everything good an individual Christian does was his doing alone and would be done without religion at all. (continues)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum (continued) The reality is that human beings are imperfect. They will be imperfect with or without religion. To blame a system designed to promote moral values in society, establish true charity, and teach moral principles and personal responsibility to individuals for the behavior of those that fail to meet those high standards is just asinine.
canofsand 1 year ago
@canofsand Now, you can go to PMs if you want, but I'm out for the night and spamming up this thread any more seems a bad idea.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Just stating the facts as I see 'em, sir. (For context, in case some random passerby sees this, that guy's spewing vulgarity left and right - though I'm sure most of you trolls don't care about that - and says religion is inherently bad and Christianity is totalitarian. Calling him a "hater" or insulting his debate skill is hardly on par.)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Spoken like a true hater. A reasonable agnostic or open-minded "atheist" would never use such language. If you're open to the idea of a supernatural being, it's ridiculous that you'd be utterly closed to sacred scripture or prophets. Skeptical, sure, but you've gone beyond that. Again, you directly compared Christianity, Judaism, and Islam to Nazism and said they're all totalitarian. You ARE a militant atheist (by the generally accepted definition, not the literal "militant").
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum The moral fabric of most of world culture was created by the religious. That's just historical fact. Many people don't fully think out their positions - that doesn't mean that the position they're in has taken the logic train all the way down to the last stop required of the assumptions they've made in their reasoning. This is covered in basic logic and basic philosophy courses. It's relevant because if you refuse to take the train all the way, you may be on the wrong train.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum I've got to go and we perhaps should go to PMs if this is to continue anyway.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Your protests are amusing. I didn't compare it to Stalinism. I simply pointed out the fact that militant atheism was the official stance of the Soviets. HOWEVER, YOU directly compared Christianity to Stalinism, Navism, etc., and said it is totalitarian (along with Islam and Judaism).
canofsand 1 year ago
@canofsand *Navism = Nazism, of course
And we may want to take this to PMs if it's just going to be us two - but don't expect a reply right away as I'm heading out for a while.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum No, this started when you defended Marx himself from his own history.
canofsand 1 year ago
totalitarian temptation? say that 5 times fast
perdedor3571 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Look, the "atheism has to go to nihilism" thing is a debate I find interesting and I've had it many times before, but YouTube comments aren't fitting for the kind of lengthy talk that's required. Besides, talking with militant atheists, it never goes anywhere. Talking with more reasonable, less militant ones, however, has resulted in more interesting discussions. In any case, an example of someone not following the logic is not a refutation of the logic.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Granted, I could (even should) be more civil, but I do have a certain line I don't cross. Your line is obviously beyond it.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum
Me: Nihilists (didn't say ATHEISTS) more likely to not have problem with killing.
You: More atheists against Iraq/Afghanistan war.
Me: So? I could go into detail but we'd have to discuss war. Suffice to say they weren't nihilists.
You: YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO DISCUSS WAR!!
You don't even know what my argument was be. To take issue with whether war has to be discussed is silly.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum And now you put more words in my mouth. I mentioned the Soviets to counter the predictable nonsense about Nazis and that served its purpose. Nowhere did I say all communists are evil. Human-run Communism is another topic.
The fact is that you've been attacking religion and particularly Christianity at length, calling it totalitarian and comparing it to Nazism. You can sugar coat that is "not hate, I swear" all you want but it's sugar-coated dung still smells like dung.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You're such a civil and respectful person, y'know. It's such a joy "debating" you. (That'd be sarcasm for those not following the context.)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Atheists pride themselves on being oh-so-logical. If they refuse to ride the logic train because they don't like its destination, it most certainly does matter. Moreover, it'd matter in any case because logic always matters in philosophy even if practically speaking the logical conclusion is ignored. And yes, nihilism is the only logical conclusion if there is no inherent reason for life, as is the case if this is all just some cosmic accident with no greater purpose.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You are so very, very, bad at this. You're taking issue with whether a discussion on war would be NECESSARY to address your claim about Iraq/Afghanistan wars... and you defend that with... opening up with a bit of discussion on war. Seriously? Next I suppose you'll take issue with my asserting that addressing the death penalty claim would necessitate a discussion on the death penalty being applied to convicted hardcore criminals vs other things like war and abortion.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum And now you're a mind-reader who knows how I see things - and oh, what a coincidence, it's in some stereotypically blind way to see things. Even though you've no evidence that I see things in "black and white" at all... except of course that I'm religious. But you don't hate religion at all now, do you? No, of course not. You've simply determined that all religions are evil and all religious people are blind. How could that possibly be confused with bigotry?
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum "it's not any better to say that you're against killing and then kill someone than to say that you're willing to kill someone and then kill someone"
So? Geeze man, you're poking holes in your own argument. I only held that example up to show how yours is flawed.
"refuted"
Says you.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Red herring. Discussion of this necessitates a whole other discussion about the war and likely war in general, something of which you no doubt have many misunderstandings, but happily it's immediately dismissable because *those atheists aren't nihilists*. (continues)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum (continued) The reason most atheists (who don't believe in some non-deity form of spirituality) aren't nihilists is because they either don't really think out the implications of their views or if they do, they arbitrarily stop themselves before progressing toward the natural conclusion of their belief system - that nothing matters.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Well, since you don't have the authority to draw the line in the sand, who are you to say it's "wrong" if some nutter runs up to you and stabs you in the chest? Sure, I'd agree that's wrong, but he doesn't, and who are you to tell him otherwise?
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum I'll agree that blind faith is bad, but you really ought to be more concerned with something closer to home: Your blind hatred of religion.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum So? And that changes my OVERALL argument, how? The Soviets had a POLICY of militant atheism, okay? I've gone down these side avenues to show how your arguments are bad. You poking holes in them in a fashion that necessarily pokes holes in yours does you no favors. I'm not arguing with reality. Not that you'd know, given your apparent divorce from it.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You didn't address it. You hand-waved it away. In any case, you've completely failed to address my points 1 and 2 above about religion's role for good (charity, etc.) and government's role in war, instead focusing on word games.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum As for the rest of your post, your opinion about what is and is not parisan isn't persuasive. Studies tell us otherwise. See for example the Project for Excellence in Journalism's accounting of 2008 presidential election coverage.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum What gives you the moral authority to draw that line? Logically, following your (flawed) initial reasoning and dismissing the fiat you've declared without some sort of intrinsic backing, if I don't think murder is a sin, then there's "nothing wrong" with killing people just for kicks. And a nihilist would most certainly be less likely to find a problem with that than a Christian would, and nihilism is the only logical conclusion to atheist thought.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Look, if you're just going to outright dismiss the declared policy of militant atheism inherent to the Soviets and follow that up with babble about the Nazis being "Christian" despite Hitler only using "Christian speech" when talking to the masses while he used decidedly anti-Christian speech elsewhere... it's not worth discussing this with you.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Actually, it is the point. As I said: Better a hypocrite than one who doesn't have standards to break. And putting scare quotes around "Leftist media" only embarrasses yourself. Look at the polls. EVERYONE except for hardcore Leftists (who are in denial, or very, very dense) knows Western media leans heavily Left. Even moderate Democrats admit it, and that's the only fair conclusion to be reached given the data of all credible studies on the topic by nonpartisan organizations.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum I didn't call you a hypocrite. Geeze, you're bad at this.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Let's tackle this on two fronts:
1) Without religions like Christianity, charities and the like wouldn't have the arguments of eternal salvation and the like to persuade people to do good. And don't give me some crap about how people would do that anyway without the moral systems that guide them: You cannot prove it would happen to the same degree.
(continues)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum (continued)
2) Without government, the vast majority of wars - ALL wars, not just those done in the name of religion - wouldn't have happened. Oh sure, there'd still be conflict, but nothing like those massive organized assaults. Does this mean we should abolish government, then?
Your argument is built on fallacy.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum MY wrongs? You are illogical.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum The intellectually honest historian doesn't get to pick and choose. You don't get to blame, e.g., the Crusades on "Christianity" instead of the leaders of the church (a church I never belonged to) that simply proved the maxim that power corrupts. If you use that standard, we can certainly say atheism has killed more people than Christianity ever did, with the militant atheism that is a core *principle* of the Soviet state (fair, since it's enshrined in their laws and policies).
canofsand 1 year ago
OMG, you are awesome! I love the information. I read this stuff, but never hear anyone really talking about it.
kimbanyc 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum So you are saying the communist manifesto he co-wrote with Engels in 1848 didn't lead to anything? you are really stretching the use of anything here aren't you now. By the way Marx wrote that socialism is the best way to lead the people from capitalism to communism, and you explain that they have "nothing to do with one another". I am continuing to post to you so that you can see the truth that has been hided from you and your countrymen.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum On evolution, one would have to be an idiot not to believe in evolution. But to say we came from ape/chimp's again one would have to be an idiot. According to biologist's the DNA of human's to plants is closer than that of human's to ape/Chimp's.
Nice try to use a vague statement to push a ludicrous argument. This is the same as you saying I don't believe in climate change when you are arguing CO2 and Global warming. Not everyone is as uneducated as you believe them to be.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Darwins thought's on the subject of society are in direct relation to has thought's on the survival of the strong. That is were his belief of thinning the "herd" came from. He and Margaret Sanger both progressives not believers of capitalism, came up with the idea of using abortion and seralization to stop the population of minorities and the handicapped (as previously mentioned). You can keep slinging BS, and I will keep showing the truth.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
Two years...! Not bad, Lee.
It's getting harder and harder for me to find YouTubers as long-lasting as I, though.
Coming up on 5 years myself pretty soon.
Rather astounding, given my conservatism...
QuartuvLarry 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You don't seem to understand what the word "debunked" is, and even Left-wing historians would "facepalm" your assertions about Franklin. You're so bitterly invested in your preconceived notions, it's practically hopeless.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Oh, and there are plenty of scandals involving Democrats, and most of those incidents involve "Christians" as well. Ever heard of Edwards? The difference is the double standard of Leftists and the media.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Better to be a hypocrite who tries than a gutter dweller who revels in it.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum There is in fact "proof" (as close as we can get to it with the historical records that are available) that Judaism and then Christianity advanced moral philosophy significantly. As for who killing who is worse... what in the world are you babbling about. Now, I'm used to goons like you creating strawmen and trying to put words in my mouth, but that came completely out of left field (heh, in a couple of ways, at least).
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum "Liberal Fascism" is full of footnotes and lengthy quotes from not-conservative authors. History is examined in detail. The fallacy you're describing isn't used at all. Shocking, I know, since that socialism-friendly blog you've been reading tells you otherwise. Simply dismissing the book is rather foolish, and thinking your argument here is persuasive is silly.
canofsand 1 year ago
hahahhahahahAHHAHAHAHHAH!
kojimapie 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum "Benjamin Franklin wasn't very clever."
It's like you're *trying* to look like a historically-illiterate, petulant Marxist manchild - or an America-hating, history-revisionist, Marxist troll.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum "So you are saying that if I disagree with you I should just shut up and let your theory's go uncontested?"
No, I'm saying you should be logical, which it is obvious you are incapable of being. For example, saying Marx attacked religion in general as a defense against his own antisemitic words. Yes, he hated religion in general. That's hardly a positive trait (though I'm sure his fellow haters think otherwise) and doesn't counter his antisemitic words. Your argument has no legs.
canofsand 1 year ago
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canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum How is it logical to say that we'd be better off without the primary source of our moral codes simply because man has broken those codes? Your argument reminds me of those tools who say Christian Republicans who, say, break their marital vows are worse than some non-Christian guy doing the same thing because the latter guy's not so much of a hypocrite. Sorry, but evil's evil, and at least TRYING to avoid it is far better than the alternative.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum I don't care if you tell me fascism also has to do with loving dogs more than cats and some study shows most American conservatives love dogs more than cats while for liberals it's the opposite. WHO BLOODY CARES? IT'S STILL ABOUT BIG GOVERNMENT AT ITS CORE, THE ANTITHESIS OF AMERICAN CONSERVATISM. PLUS it was developed by people who were SOCIALIST ACTIVISTS to begin with. They hardly had some conservative background to influence their way of thinking.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Besides that, as you've just shown, what the Leftist argument essentially boils down to is this: Fascism is bad. Conservativism is bad. They must be the same! Fill in the details as you like: racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever you want... never mind that "conservativism is inherently racist" is nothing more than slander and runs counter to history, e.g. the KKK being considered the militant wing of the Democratic Party. Never mind that. Hardly genius-level thinking, guys.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You're rather pathetic, honestly. Did you even read the book, with its many citations, direct quotes from the New York Times, etc. etc., or did you just decide to take the Leftist blog's stance as the "word of God" on what the book actually says?
canofsand 1 year ago
@canofsand For the record, Goldberg's book is a scholarly work. It doesn't say "being for big government makes you a fascist." It spells out the actual, documented history of fascism and the support for fascists by journalists and many others (which is why I brought it up at all). Again, you didn't even read ANY of the portions of the book I linked you to, did you? No, of course not. You couldn't even repeat my purpose of linking that (HISTORY, not saying who's fascist) with an eye to accuracy.
canofsand 1 year ago
Wait wait wait You're characterizing communists with the Left? Sense when were Liberal Communists you utterly make no sense in ANY of your accusations.
henrikroxs 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Do you do everything with "Cliff's Notes"? It look's that way. Germany was in hyper-inflation created by the Kaiser. The Gov'nt printed billion's of $ without any backing, making the "Mark" worthless. Hitler blamed the "Reichsbank" (bankers) instead of the gov'nt and took every person in Germany's Gold, Diamond's, Silver, Art, whatever was of value, and with the help of Lenin, Mussolini and others built the Nazi machine. Read the documents of the era, not the crap written today.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
Actually you can use liberal arguments against the government during the Bush years against them. To show contracting hypocrisy.
xxashyy 1 year ago
Thank you for being a voice of reason.
TheMusicBucket 1 year ago
Straightforward, provocative and coherent. Subscribed.
mendelbot 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum In my experience, in a setting like this it is only the fools who don't understand the difference between right-wing in the U.S. and "right-wing" in Europe bring up that canard. So, do you understand that the "right wing" in the U.S. are for SMALL GOVERNMENT and that therefore comparisons to FASCISM are utterly RIDICULOUS, or are you going to pursue that irrational, insane, and flat out dishonest line of "debate" in an attempt to avoid dealing with reality while you smear others?
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum As for examples, you say that as if you doubt they exist. You only further prove your ignorance.
books dot google dot com/books?id=71QP2lkN3LcC&pg=PA26&lpg=PA26&dq=Herbert+Matthews+fascism&source=bl&ots=EJcrphA0CG&sig=3P6kEDXbk0yevXdY7KlGiN2n5q0&hl=en&ei=vukjTYWdFYq2sAPM1NTEAg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=Herbert%20Matthews%20fascism&f=false
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Oh yes, you're not "advocating" for anything. You're just defending Marx against those who dare question his character or ideas. It's just a coincidence that every time those ideas are tried, tyranny is the result. Oh and don't you dare say Marx was an antisemite or a racist! His saying that the world needed to be purged of the Jewish spirit, that the world needs to be emancipated from (be rid of) Judaism, that's not antisemitic at all!
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Oh, also: "Social democrats" do not have an ideology that has proven "successful" by any rational interpretation of those terms (except to those of like mind, but of course saying so is redundant). (Besides, calling yourself a social democrat yet defending Marx is hardly convincing; it's not something an informed, intellectually honest person would do. Marxists avoid calling themselves "Marxists," after all, preferring other terms, like "progressive" in the U.S. Just ask them.)
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum
"If men are so wicked with religion, what would they be if without it?" - Benjamin Franklin
Obviously you've bought the illogical, history revisionist line so the wisdom of Ben Franklin isn't likely to persuade you (after all, he's one of those bad bad evil Founding Fathers guys with their eeevil ideas about freedom for the people and the marketplace, oh how I hate those guys!), but it's wisdom whether or not you'll bother thinking about it honestly.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Really?? Stop thinking in Black and White?? Now that is funny coming from a person that explains "everyone should be equal, if one makes more then he should give to the one that makes less", Isn't that "Black and White"? You really are bad at this. I hope you didn't lose all your debate's in public school.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago 2
@MaioribusVerum I love your use of famous quotes... Famous, why, because the communist/socialist's can use them to make their "useful idiot's" think it is correct because some rich clown said hey we all deserve equality. When what he meant was these peasant's are costing us to much we can get them cheaper if we take their right's away while telling them they will get more right's with us controlling them.
Keep walking that line self professed intelligent one.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago 6
@MaioribusVerum You:"Marx ideas... ...AND EVEN THOUGH A LOT OF IT WAS WRONG some of it can be used." Wondering, why do you use a person as your scholar of knowledge in a discussion that you explain to be mostly wrong? You:"Darwin was correct for the most part", which part would that be? Would it be the part that explained killing the weak, disabled, or mongrel's(what he and Margaret called black's? Is that the part that was correct? That was the main idea from him. Try reading...
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
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nathanlh270 1 year ago
Sean Penn should be put in prison for promulgating tyrannical ideas. On one hand I guess he can't help being terminally stupid, but unfortunately some people take him seriously. Of course I actually believe in the 1st amendment unlike the aforementioned useful idiot. If we're lucky, maybe his P.R. handlers will put a muzzle on him.
nathanlh270 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Equality: –noun, the state or quality of being equal; correspondence in quantity, degree, value, rank, or ability. THAT DEFINITION? So by equality you mean if "Jonah" works 14 hours a day and "Sven" works 8 hours a day, Jonah get's 175% of what Sven get's? What if Sven's 8 hrs are sweeping the street and Michael's 8 hrs are creating nuclear fusion reactor's, do they get equal pay? Or a Brain surgeon and a cashier, same salary??
EQUALITY IS THE RIGHT TO HAVE EQUAL OPPORTUNITY.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Slowly growing is to dead in the water, as communism is to socialism. The same thing. I'll try to type slowly for you, YOUR ECONOMY IS HINGED ON OIL EXPORTATION... Norway isn't DEPENDENT ON OIL, it is DEPENDENT ON OIL EXPORTATION. You:"Statistical analysis made by... ...has concluded that even though we would have to make big cuts in spending...", were do you cut? Healthcare? Welfare? Education? raise retirement age? Let us see how socialism work's when you cut. Can you say RIOT
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Out of my Ass??? It is your country that listed their ethic diversity, not me. You think that lying about thing's will work? People do know how to research, do you? Anyone that follows blindly is deserving of the socialist state you are trying so hard to push.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
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@MaioribusVerum Your qoute:"you are saying that stocks and loan contracts... ...doesn't mean anything?" Loan contracts only mean something when the borrower can pay the loan. What happens when the borrower cannot pay? It is a loss. Stocks? Are you serious, have you not been paying attention to the world economies and the stock market's? Stocks are based on need, if it isn't needed or cannot be afforded the price plummet's. You have a clue? Why ask these ridiculous questions then? READ, LEARN
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You are ignorant of history. MANY Left-wing journalists praised fascism. Read their own historical archives.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum "Some scholars say"?? SOME SCHOLARS SAY?? Man, are you ever in denial. It's disgusting the lengths your type will go to to defend a man whose ideas have directly led to such extreme evil in this world.
canofsand 1 year ago
I'm sorry but I think FOX news are popular is because they have the slogan "fair and balanced" and to those who understand semantics would know what I mean. People...
flipmaya 1 year ago
Somebody get this guy a radio show.
curlybobz 1 year ago
I thought politics was all about twisting rules and going around loops to get stuff done. Wouldn't it be nice if both sides played nice? But they don't, so sometimes you can only pick the lesser of two evils.
OxyFenix 1 year ago
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ConservingStupid 1 year ago
@hergs wages are flat because of minimum wage. when we arbitrarily raise people's wages instead allowing businesses to charge based on productivity, then you have inflation which hurts everybody. the rich do need to be kept in check by government (that is essential for capitalism to work) but there is a difference between fair trade and central planning
lordofthechix 1 year ago
@lordofthechix
Nope, real wages are correlated to the minimum wage. One thing that has almost never been raised for the past 30 years is minimum wage, and wages for the first time on record history has been below 1974.
ConservingStupid 1 year ago
@ConservingStupid Almost never been raised? Minimum wage started at .75 in 1955 and is 7.25 now. Even if you adjust for inflation, .75 is around 4.00. We've been raising them consistently which surprise leads to prices rising and inflation eventually taking place. And the reason wages are so low all around is because businesses are forced to raise everyone's wages without accounting for productivity, and people who deserve raises for their work don't get them because their boss can't afford
lordofthechix 1 year ago
Hold on a sec, Wikileaks, the organization you bashed a few short months ago, released information that you found of value and helped prove your point. I thought Wikileaks was a socialist, anti-american political organization. Am I supposed to hate them or support them?
The1onTV 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Oh it was dictatorship that lifted Germany out of ruins? It wasn't the Mass Murder of Millions, the world war that they lost, and had money from America, 100's of Billions of dollars, the take over of half the country by Russia. I see it was the "dick-tator" Hitler that did it. WOW!!, sounds like we are back on the trains ran on time scenario. We all must look at the whole picture, or else these socialist fools will trick the people into again believing this meconium (Baby Sh*t).
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum ChristianSciMon: 6/10/2010 Inflation 30%, Crime highest in Latin America "LA", Economy down 3.3% in 2009 and dropping further in 2010 5.8% in first two quarter's. JerseyShore, from Ven. news report August 2010, Chavez his military removing products from shelves of stores that raise prices after he devalued the Boliva. YouTube:Venezuelan Shoppers Confront Rationing, Shortages. Funny how it is always the socialist's who blame Capitalist's for issue they created themselves.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum "many of the benefits of the social missions are being overshadowed by the larger problems afflicting Ven. society now, crime(most violent inLatin Amer "LA") and inflation (@ 30%). The economy shrank by 3.3% (2009), this year as well (only LA country to do so)... A mother, who did not share her name, “Who is the thief? The one desperate in the street who steals or the one sitting up there stealing everything from everyone? You tell me!” she said." from the ChristianScienceMon.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
you have a pretty damn good camera...
1androo2 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum For crying out loud, the man wrote "On the Jewish Question." You are so ignorant, it hurts.
canofsand 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You remind me of the people extolling the virtues of Hitler making the trains run on time. (Note to the history challenged: Many of those people worked for the New York Times.)
canofsand 1 year ago
Venezuela is far better than it used to be. It went backward a bit because of the world capitalist crisis, but things have gotten better. Also, the TV station he shut down supported the illegal coup against him in 2002. Do you think that if there was a failed coup in the US the government wouldn't shut down a broadcaster if they supported an illegal undemocratic coup?
YourTubeSpellChecker 1 year ago
@YourTubeSpellChecker The television stations in America have the freedom of speech as we have seen during the Bush years with CNN and MSNBC. But more to the point we, the U.S. are not a democratic form of government we are a Republic. Do any of you know what form of government you are attempting to discuss or what?
What if I was to say to you your government, the U.K., is a dictatorship, would I be correct?
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@xtaxplayer I wasn't asking you for your opinion on American form of government. I was asking HTWW whether he thinks that if a US broadcaster could get away with supporting an undemocratic coup, and acts of terrorism . . . and still be around to broadcast after? HTWW is a clueless Libertarian who knows nothing of Venezuela, and is utterly unwilling to judge his ideology or his nation by the same standards he judges others.
YourTubeSpellChecker 1 year ago
@YourTubeSpellChecker You must know him well, considering you just described yourself. Chavez having his military TAKE food off the shelves of markets when they raise prices only after he devalued the dollar is only done to hurt the people. You should use the same standard's to judge your country, people dying of thirst in a hospital. They die after drinking as much water as they can get from the potted plants, fun how the hospital has the time to give water to the plants.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
This broadcaster by the way was supporting an illegal coup in which innocent people were murdered in a campaign of terrorism. And its closure is proof that Chavez is a dictator? You do the math numbnuts . . .
YourTubeSpellChecker 1 year ago
@YourTubeSpellChecker Before I believe your information on the "broadcaster", which by the way is a person not a whole television station, I would definitely have to see the documented reports. So where can I find them, in order to do my research. Researching information you hear is the only way to know the truth in the world, considering how many lie's the progressive/communist/fascist/socialist, (same group but so many names, why would that be), are alway's spouting.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@xtaxplayer There are plenty of reports of RCTV's support of the coup. They also tried to blame the terrorist acts of the capitalist right (sniping pro-Chavez demonstrators in the street) on Chavez. Look it up it's all there.
YourTubeSpellChecker 1 year ago
I used to be a leftist until Obama started with his whole Cash for Clunkers thing, and then I saw how hypocritical the leftists really are. No more!
jmelkis 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum You are so funny. Chavez took the food from the shelves of the stores in 2009 and let it rot in warehouses to show the people that he was the power and they would starve, same communist/socialist play book as Moa and Lenin, without him. Start doing research of the news you read.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Karl Marx denounced the Jewish people. He and Hilter, both Jewish, held the Jewish people the blame for all the financial problems in the world. I am really tiring of your lack of historical knowledge.
Could it just be your youthful brainwashing??
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
@MaioribusVerum Darwin's idea's are interesting but that doesn't make them correct. Margaret Sanger's idea's on eugenics's are interesting but also racist and murderous. Property ownership of the people is communal, not in his writing's to Vera Zaulich; "Ideally, all peasants in the rural commune would "OWN" or have access to an equal share of the land operated by the commune."
Suck's to be so wrong doesn't it. It's ok, the letters were from 1881. You probably think 1940 was a long time ago.
xtaxplayer 1 year ago
Hey Lee, you should follow up with a video that shows what the right has done to help people in the U.S. I think this would be a VERY short list. Prove me wrong.
TheHitCollective 1 year ago
@TheHitCollective
The Right has promoted Capitalism, which has brought more people out of prosperity than any other source. You're right that it was a short list.
HowTheWorldWorks 1 year ago 13
@HowTheWorldWorks Actually, the "right" are exactly the same as the "left" with their only argument being which "side" gets to tax-farm us into equalitarian poverty and send our children off to die in their wars of domination. It's the same "difference" as between communists and fascists...
WillGerard5 1 year ago