Reg. Cannonball vs. Bird - sure Cannonball was an outstanding virtuous, but Bird was, and will always be a class of his own. No one above or beside Bird, in my view. He actually transcended Jazz all together, and should be considered as one of the greatest musical geniuses of the 20. century on the level of Debussy and Stravinsky .
sam jones was a great swinging bass player but a short head behind ray brown and oscar knew it.the adderley bros had it over the rest by the same margin.great post many thanks.
Commented as much before, but this must have been a great band to be in. There's a real sense of comradeship and genuine, respectful, humility which I think wouldn't have been present in, say, Miles' combos. When Joe takes his solo, Cannonball and his brother exchange appreciative smiles as if to say: 'not bad..not bad at all'. Says much about these guys.
I don't get the Cannonball Parker thing. He came to NY after Bird died, and people called him the second coming of Bird. He was unquestionably influenced by Bird, as was everyone else. I do think that Cannonball took Bird's rhythmic thing and developed it into something uniquely his own. Neither Bird nor Cannonball got the acclaim they deservered b/c this country was different back then, and both men died young. He also developed his own sound. Cannonball was totally influenced by Bird.
@JonP1961 - yeah, the first time I heard a recording of this group playing Jessica's Birthday (TCOB Swiss Radio Days CD) I thought it was a big band ... wow.
Because of all the so-called "fusion-music" Zawinul was a part of for a big part of his career, I almost forget sometimes how great he could play in a more traditional setting as well. One of jazz' truly great sextets! Adderley phrased his solos so tastefully and on this occasion he didn't disappoint. And Sam Jones will always be one of the greats, he is very underrated IMO. I think he was at his pinnacle after he replaced Ray Brown and became a member of Oscar Peterson's band.
Charlie Parker invented Bebop Phrasing - yes. However, transcribing Bird and Cannonball solos show the phrases are differen't - both players have a unique identity. You cannot dismiss Cannonball as a Parker clone because he isn't. Thoes second harmonic fingerings he's playing are more like Lester Young than Bird. I think he is Brilliant. Try copying any Cannonball solo exactly as played and you will ask yourself ' How the hell did he think that up' - neither Bird nor Coltrane but himself.5*
Cannon played with the time so much, while Parker was more straight ahead. Both are so amazing. I find Adderley's solos much harder to transcribe and play.
@conn6m its true that Cannonball was over shadowed by Parker, but i still have to agree with you. To the mainstream audience they may sound the same, but if you ask me Cannonball sounds way more modern than Parker. Its unfortunate that he didn't reach the same acclaim, but hes still a legend nonetheless.
@echoftw I'm interested in your comment. Lets explore it a litte. The reason you say that Cannonball sounds more modern than Bird is because of the harmony yes? oK I agree in that respect - however there is something in Parker playing that nobody else can match and that's his Rhythm. Parkers rhythmic phrasing is completely natural and devoid totally from the rhythm section, It is based purely on melody. Cannonballs rhythm is more varied. Sometimes he's like Bird sometimes he's with the Rhythm.
This must have been written by Nat. It sounds similar to "Allison's Uncle" written by Nat and included on the "Somethin' Else" Cannonball (really, it was a Miles session but they put Cannonball's name on it as leader because of Mile's contractural obligations with another label) CD.
"Somethin' Else" is one the best achievement in jazz, you told us some very interesting information, I'll investigate... Thanks a lot! You must be a fine connaisseur.
"Added to this historic session is a tune that remained unissued until 1982 when it was issued in limited edition in Japan. Although the piece did not have a title at the session, Adderley's brother Nat named it at the time of release. Since Nat's daughter Alison was born that very day, he thought it fitting to title the piece "Alison's Uncle". With the advent of the Compact Disc, the major session is issued in its complete form for the first time. (from CD liner notes)
Perfect. Thanks a lot Hadjee. This should teach me the importance of reading the liner notes instead of putting them away. I'll check it as soon as I get home. I hope to hear again from you!
I was thinking yesterday that it may not have been written by Nat, but only named by Nat. So, my idea and first comment could have started off on the wrong foot. Sorry.
Don't worry, it's always a good feeling when you have the chance to talk with such an enriching person as you are. Actually I can't play any instrument unless we consider the melodica classes I took when I was in middle school, but I'm a good man -)! And you, what instrument do you play?
You're right, it's Quincy Jones's tune. I'm not aware of a Basie recording, but it would make sense since he was writing for the band at that time. I know that Dizzy's big band took this arrangement on its overseas your when Q and Lee Morgan were in the trumpet section. Billy Mitchell was the tenor soloist and it was much slower.
While Cannon is one of the greatest alto players of all time (probably in the top 5) I would argue there are players that are just as talented. Johnny Hodges laid down the law for early jazz sax playing... No Hodges, No Cannon.
Before I get a stream of replies, I didn't mean ALL Jazz (it's late here!) There were plenty of guys before Parker. When it comes to BeBop, Gillespie and and Parker were the early fathers.
Julian, Nat, and Yusef. What can you say.
arielrcalabria 3 weeks ago
Is there anyone that can provide some cannonbal transcriptions??i need his music so i can learn some sax LOL!!this guy is amazing.
nelthesax 3 months ago
I am working my 1963 book and just finished this transcription. Cannonball never fails to amaze me! A love made in heaven. Doc Stewart
chrisdocstewart 4 months ago
Cannonball could make a dead man's fingers snap. His swing should've been illegal.
hitzville81 4 months ago
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Reg. Cannonball vs. Bird - sure Cannonball was an outstanding virtuous, but Bird was, and will always be a class of his own. No one above or beside Bird, in my view. He actually transcended Jazz all together, and should be considered as one of the greatest musical geniuses of the 20. century on the level of Debussy and Stravinsky .
viggosimonsen 6 months ago
Zawinul was really a great Bebop player
viggosimonsen 6 months ago
sam jones was a great swinging bass player but a short head behind ray brown and oscar knew it.the adderley bros had it over the rest by the same margin.great post many thanks.
exjazzbassbaz 6 months ago
Commented as much before, but this must have been a great band to be in. There's a real sense of comradeship and genuine, respectful, humility which I think wouldn't have been present in, say, Miles' combos. When Joe takes his solo, Cannonball and his brother exchange appreciative smiles as if to say: 'not bad..not bad at all'. Says much about these guys.
pierstheoneandonly 9 months ago
I don't get the Cannonball Parker thing. He came to NY after Bird died, and people called him the second coming of Bird. He was unquestionably influenced by Bird, as was everyone else. I do think that Cannonball took Bird's rhythmic thing and developed it into something uniquely his own. Neither Bird nor Cannonball got the acclaim they deservered b/c this country was different back then, and both men died young. He also developed his own sound. Cannonball was totally influenced by Bird.
holygroove2 10 months ago
tenor sax rocks :P
elouroeides 10 months ago
Is it me or does Cannon look like the a black Pilsbury dough boy when playing on this vid?
Selmerpilot 10 months ago
During the outro, it's hard to believe 5:48-5:55 is coming from only a 3-member horn section. Wow!
JonP1961 1 year ago 5
@JonP1961 - yeah, the first time I heard a recording of this group playing Jessica's Birthday (TCOB Swiss Radio Days CD) I thought it was a big band ... wow.
mlaprarie 11 months ago
Because of all the so-called "fusion-music" Zawinul was a part of for a big part of his career, I almost forget sometimes how great he could play in a more traditional setting as well. One of jazz' truly great sextets! Adderley phrased his solos so tastefully and on this occasion he didn't disappoint. And Sam Jones will always be one of the greats, he is very underrated IMO. I think he was at his pinnacle after he replaced Ray Brown and became a member of Oscar Peterson's band.
Pastorius333 1 year ago
Sounds great. I love this.
blope332 1 year ago
Swinging!!!!! Cannonball is sporting some serious "high waters".
watsonp143 1 year ago
Whats with the song being played softly at the beggining? Right before they start playing
Erikolson99 1 year ago
When God wants to relax and watch videos on youtube - he plays this video..... In my own opinion Jazz is the greatest thing ever invented.
raulmontana13 1 year ago
This is great! For me, Cannonball came the closest to Bird in terms of phrasing.
smoovegittar 1 year ago
@smoovegittar nah sonny stitt did that a lot more. Cannonball has his own unique sound and style
wohodude100 1 year ago 2
Yusef is bad as hell, so swingin' and incredibly underrated!
saxxman25 1 year ago
thought that was victor feldman on piano
MrJeremyPrice 2 years ago
Joe Zawinul !!!!!???? Really? :-)
vastedrummer 2 years ago
cannonball, my favourite jazzartist!
AlCapotasto 2 years ago
There's no sound quite like Yusef. Cannonball's got a great style, too.
tompeth 2 years ago
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tompeth 2 years ago
joe's hair
brigbrig 2 years ago
yusef's hair
homer5678 2 years ago
whoa I like that opening....some big band stuff goin' on haha
somerandomguy077 2 years ago
big band sound coming from a sextet tells you that you're listening to the best!
JJ600RR 2 years ago
Thank you, it´s great.
vova47 2 years ago
Charlie Parker invented Bebop Phrasing - yes. However, transcribing Bird and Cannonball solos show the phrases are differen't - both players have a unique identity. You cannot dismiss Cannonball as a Parker clone because he isn't. Thoes second harmonic fingerings he's playing are more like Lester Young than Bird. I think he is Brilliant. Try copying any Cannonball solo exactly as played and you will ask yourself ' How the hell did he think that up' - neither Bird nor Coltrane but himself.5*
conn6m 3 years ago 23
Cannon played with the time so much, while Parker was more straight ahead. Both are so amazing. I find Adderley's solos much harder to transcribe and play.
protocol66 2 years ago
@conn6m yea cannonball doesnt really sound like bird, hes got his own style. Maybe they were talking about Sonny Stitt who really sounds like bird
wohodude100 1 year ago
@conn6m Well said.
polymath7 11 months ago
@conn6m its true that Cannonball was over shadowed by Parker, but i still have to agree with you. To the mainstream audience they may sound the same, but if you ask me Cannonball sounds way more modern than Parker. Its unfortunate that he didn't reach the same acclaim, but hes still a legend nonetheless.
echoftw 11 months ago
@echoftw I'm interested in your comment. Lets explore it a litte. The reason you say that Cannonball sounds more modern than Bird is because of the harmony yes? oK I agree in that respect - however there is something in Parker playing that nobody else can match and that's his Rhythm. Parkers rhythmic phrasing is completely natural and devoid totally from the rhythm section, It is based purely on melody. Cannonballs rhythm is more varied. Sometimes he's like Bird sometimes he's with the Rhythm.
conn6m 10 months ago
@echoftw 2. To understand what Im talking about go to Richie Cole playing I love lucy and read my comment to you.
conn6m 10 months ago
@conn6m One of the most informed (in fact ONLY informed) comments I've ever read to a jazz video on youtube. Thanks for sharing some reality.
InsertName125 4 months ago
just to Yusef Lateef's left it says SEX on the wall!
jazzsax77 3 years ago
yeah, the TET part isn't showing.
hendrixexp12 3 years ago
Louis Hayes and Sam Jones are holding it down some kind of serious. If I were a drummer I would surely study his technique.
kirkbp1965 3 years ago
yeah, i agree. great rhythm section. hayes looks like he could be dealing cards. he doesn't waste any body motion, everything very compact.
BlockChordsRed 3 years ago 3
I had the great honour of seeing Loius
bpwhite01 3 years ago
I love that you named yourself after Red Garland, or something Miles said to Red I quess.
dougmayes1978 2 years ago
cannonball adderly is cool
jazzsax77 3 years ago 3
♫♫♫♫♫
Soulnik 3 years ago 4
wow Yusef dominates on this song
a7secondsfan 3 years ago 2
Love this man's humour and passion in his phrasing. "The Price You have to Pay to be Free". God, I miss him.
smoovegittar 3 years ago
Nat always starts his solo's by hitting notes exactly in the metrum, as if to get the feel of the tempo.
BuckshotLaFunke 3 years ago
SIMPLY MINDBLOWING! The so-called "Young Lions" of today will never be able to hold a candle to performers such as the late Cannonball Adderley!
tompethic 3 years ago
Yes we will!
GalenOfSunol 3 years ago
Indeed, nor to any other giants of the past
vova47 2 years ago
Cannonball kills so hard on this
retardedpumkin 3 years ago 3
bel suono
pucca000 3 years ago
This must have been written by Nat. It sounds similar to "Allison's Uncle" written by Nat and included on the "Somethin' Else" Cannonball (really, it was a Miles session but they put Cannonball's name on it as leader because of Mile's contractural obligations with another label) CD.
HADJEE 3 years ago
"Somethin' Else" is one the best achievement in jazz, you told us some very interesting information, I'll investigate... Thanks a lot! You must be a fine connaisseur.
footale 3 years ago
"Added to this historic session is a tune that remained unissued until 1982 when it was issued in limited edition in Japan. Although the piece did not have a title at the session, Adderley's brother Nat named it at the time of release. Since Nat's daughter Alison was born that very day, he thought it fitting to title the piece "Alison's Uncle". With the advent of the Compact Disc, the major session is issued in its complete form for the first time. (from CD liner notes)
HADJEE 3 years ago
Perfect. Thanks a lot Hadjee. This should teach me the importance of reading the liner notes instead of putting them away. I'll check it as soon as I get home. I hope to hear again from you!
footale 3 years ago
I was thinking yesterday that it may not have been written by Nat, but only named by Nat. So, my idea and first comment could have started off on the wrong foot. Sorry.
What instrument do you play?
HADJEE 3 years ago
Don't worry, it's always a good feeling when you have the chance to talk with such an enriching person as you are. Actually I can't play any instrument unless we consider the melodica classes I took when I was in middle school, but I'm a good man -)! And you, what instrument do you play?
footale 3 years ago
Isn't this a Quincy Jones tune? I think it was recorded in 1959 with the Basie Band at a much much slower tempo...
qrsjazznerd 3 years ago
You're right, it's Quincy Jones's tune. I'm not aware of a Basie recording, but it would make sense since he was writing for the band at that time. I know that Dizzy's big band took this arrangement on its overseas your when Q and Lee Morgan were in the trumpet section. Billy Mitchell was the tenor soloist and it was much slower.
dougmayes1978 2 years ago
This song was written by Quincy Jones.
MilesTrane21 2 years ago
niiiiiiiiiice
mohsen789 3 years ago
While Cannon is one of the greatest alto players of all time (probably in the top 5) I would argue there are players that are just as talented. Johnny Hodges laid down the law for early jazz sax playing... No Hodges, No Cannon.
jakeypitkinSax 3 years ago
All coming out of Bird anyways.
salvadorsimp 3 years ago
This music (and all Jazz) is coming from Parker (BeBop) with a Coltrane influence. Gotta give credit where credit is due.
itmsjim 3 years ago
Before I get a stream of replies, I didn't mean ALL Jazz (it's late here!) There were plenty of guys before Parker. When it comes to BeBop, Gillespie and and Parker were the early fathers.
itmsjim 3 years ago
Don´t forget Bud.
vova47 2 years ago
No Sidney Bechet, No Hodges
shed15625 2 years ago
Which means what????
furtherdefinitions 2 years ago
amen to that brotha!
tmyers08 3 years ago
I don't like Cannon's 'new thing approach, I prefer Nat who remains true to his style.
Hindele 3 years ago
Kickass, yeah that's the word I was looking for.
ReggaesRockers 3 years ago
I love how Victor Feldman sets up the shout chorus at the end of his solo. This is a great recording all around --great to see!
qrsjazznerd 3 years ago
I meant Joe Zawinul! (I was just watching Victor videos and got my imported pianists mixed up.)
qrsjazznerd 3 years ago
Dude, Lateef has a real fat ass sound.
tmyers08 4 years ago 13
Lateef is sooooo Fine.
saxylarry26 3 years ago
luv joe's piano solo
GOTIRES 4 years ago
Yes, he´s showing a strong Barry Harris influence. He took, in fact some lessons from Barry in early 60´s.
vova47 2 years ago
Yeah! Doubling on the 9 - Pure Divine!
likotinara 4 years ago
That isn't Cannonball, good try though. That would be Lateef with the glasses. :P
Ysuran11 4 years ago
cannonballs glasses are the shit
lifeizlemonz 4 years ago
Ah man! Who needs drugs? This'll do me every time!
blummocks2 4 years ago
awesome stuff!!
cyblord 4 years ago
This is great. Thanks for the video!!!!
birdlives239 4 years ago