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@rorschach775 You must be a biker, and I don't think I want to hear your biased opinion. I bike too, just not around tons of cars who SHOULD have the right of way instead of people who abuse their right. I've had way to many bad experiences with bikers around here.
@Nan0min Sounds pretty closed minded haha. I was just asking a question. I've had just as many bad experiences with bikers/drivers. It's just traffic dude. It's not a cars vs bikes thing. They're just people who are in the fucking way. And I grew up in NY. This shit is nothing. It takes a max like 5 minutes to get anywhere around here, even with heavy traffic. Watching Portlanders complain is such a joke.
@Nan0min you share the road with cyclists so it would only be proper to hear our opinions and not be so narrow-minded. and FYI right of way goes pedestrian>cyclist>motorist. Drivers are just as wreckless as the worst cyclist, except a car will cause much more violence than a bicycle.
Portland would be a great place to raise a family if it wasn't for its anti business climate and hard left politics! The city has been hijacked by the extremists of the green movement to the point that some locals call it Moscow on the Willamette.
I rather ride a bike in rain (with the proper protective gear) than be a part of the problem. I've never been hit by a car or crashed in over 65,000 road miles. Most people choose comfort and convenience over sustainable, healthy living. I acknowledge that there is a large number of people who truly don't have the choice of not using an automobile, but they are the minority.
"a large percentage of residents use mass transit/bike/walk"
LOL typical lies from the anti-car fascists. By large percentage do you mean 5-10% on a typical weekday? Quit drinking the city planner koolaid. Mass transit is barely cost efficient in NYC (mostly due to the parasitic transit unions), only delusional jackasses think it will work in Portland.
Everyone living outside the insular downtown area despise selfish pricks who refuse road improvements and waste everyone's time.
@dmancornell More than $6 billion in development has occurred along Portland’s MAX light rail lines since the decision to build in 1978 Portland’s streetcar line also has generated $2.8 billion in investments. Between 1997 and 2005, 7,200 new housing units and 4.6 million square feet of commercial development occurred in the Pearl District, once a blighted industrial area near the line. For every $1 spent of public transit on average $6 in local economic activity is generated. Suck on that.
"For every $1 spent of public transit on average $6 in local economic activity is generated."
Source: American Public Transportation Association
Typical for government to take credit for PRIVATE development. Once again cause and effect is completely abandoned. Look the Pearl developed after the streetcar, it must be because of the streetcar. DERP!
@dmancornell You think the streetcar had nothing to do with that attraction that brought people and business to the Pear District? You also must think that the new (second line) currently being installed in the Pearl that will connect the East side and loop down to the South waterfront and back is just being put in for fun right? It can't possibly be because of it's current proven success right? Just an FYI I live in the Pearl so please, don't try to tell me whats happening in MY neighborhood.
figures that a selfish jackass like you lives in the pearl and advocates wasting everyone else's time to save yours.
Again, cost vs benefits. Installing the street car obviously benefits the few people who live in the area (as well as the politically connected developers and lobbied politicians, but off topic), but pissing away that money for a few people cost everyone else in Portland far more time and money.
But of course the selfish denizens of the Pearl don't give a shit
@dmancornell THERE YOU GO AGAIN ACTING LIKE A MORON. PEARL RESIDENTS PAY HIGHER TAXES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STREETCAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. Nice try though idiot.
LOL. Are the Pearl taxes high enough to cover the ridiculous cost, typical of all government run projects? How about the Westside express? Is the rock bottom ridership offset by huge taxes levied on residents along the line? I didn't think so.
So my money is used to subsidize your selfish desire for cheap transport and satisfy your smug anti-car fascism. Just because I work have to commute to Hillsboro to work. Isn't government wonderful?
How is that a tangent? My argument has always been that road expansion is a fairer, more cost-effective way to spend the transport budget to solve the commute problem. As opposed to your selfish, politically/environmentally driven non-solutions which benefit only a few people and solves nothing.
The fact you brought up the streetcar is hilarious because that is exactly the worst example of useless spending to benefit a few at the cost of others. I lol'ed.
@dmancornell Im glad that you "lol'ed' While your "lol'ing" and stuck in traffic, the rest of us will be investing in real transportation solutions for the future growth of the city and improving the quality of life in Portland. You may also want to do a quick search of all the other American cities that are now installing street-cars / light rail and let them know how "selfish" they are being by investing in their futures.
You still fail to address the point of cost-effectiveness and fairness. Investing in the future is a codeword for anti-car fascism and statist control over people's lives, over where they live and work. And believe it or not, corrupt politicians and greedy developers exist in other US cities as well. I am not impressed.
By the way, I grew up in Hong Kong and it has a profitable, *PRIVATE*, high ridership subway that pays for itself (unlike US system). See, it can be done!
LOL delusional? I gave a real life example, in the city I grew up in, of mass transit working as it should. The US cannot do the same thing because of government corruption and lack of population density.
You are delusional because you think it will work, and you're selfish for demanding the government spend my money to implement that delusion.
@dmancornell Yep the government and state are so inept and corrupt that they were unable to build the roads and bridges you now worship and adore... You do realize that street cars and light rail are NOT new concepts than anyone is bringing fourth it is how people got around before the personal auto was shoved down all of our throats. Do some research please for God sakes.
Anyone can build roads. Government does it worst. You seen Burnside lately? Arguably road congestion in Portland is completely caused by inept government engineers fucking up the designs.
In any case, you're the one who needs to do research. Go look up how many mass transit systems in the US actually break even before demanding the government spend my money to prop up a perpetually bankrupt operation.
@dmancornell You are such an idiot. There you go again complaining about traffic congesting while bashing alternative mass-transit options designed to alleviate traffic congestion.. If "Anyone can build roads" are we going to see you out on Burnside in the near future providing awesome new road improvements that will lessen traffic congestion? Have you looked up those cities yet? Have you called to tell them how "fascist" and "selfish" they are? What did they say in response?
Unfortunately the government has a monopoly on roadbuilding. Illegal and unconstitutional in my opinion. The monopoly closes off all competition and makes all roads look bad.
By the way, when people complain about roads, they want better roads, not your half-assed non-solutions. None of Portland's mass transit options can even handle a fraction of daily commuters and no amount of money can change that hard fact.
@dmancornell... So we should take the thousands of people who utilize mass transit in the Metro area and stick them in cars right? Stick them in the traffic jam with you right? That would be the ultimate solution right? You are hopeless.
such a load of shit. maybe the city spend money on solving the horrendous rush hour traffic on I-5 north or the retarded tunnel on 26 before building a "bike economy".
unlike unemployed hipsters, productive members of society often have to commute long distances and carry more than an overpriced macbook in a messenger bag to work.
Portland has traffic jams because the useless bureaucrats who run the city neglect the roads to fund half-assed public transit programs.
The local government should serve citizens fairly and spend transport money according to need (I5N and 26E) instead of political special interests (Trimet and bike programs). Bike and MAX fascists steal from everyone else for their own delusional save-the-earth dream.
@dmancornell YA! Wider lanes and more roads to accommodate more traffic is the solution to traffic jams! Forget about mass transit, biking, walking, car-pooling even! Let's continue to be dependent on the personal auto like it's the 1950's and simply build more roads! While we are at it let's continue to hemorrhage money towards our enemies so we can keep gas prices at Chevron below $4.00 per gallon!
None of your proposed solutions even come close to solving Portland's transportation needs even with the government enforced urban development boundary (which artificially inflates home prices at citizen cost). The MAX serves what, 5% of commuters on a good day?
Anti-car fascists feed on a delusional pipe dream while forcing their ideology on other people at exorbitant costs.
BTW, buying oil from foreign enemies is a direct result of the US not producing their own oil.
@dmancornell And your solution of... oh yeah.. you don't have one.. you think we need more roads for more cars and more traffic jams. Intelligent people are looking towards alternative sources of transport and energy so we can not only help our environment, we can break our addiction on the oil our enemies control. It's OK I don't expect you to understand. The future is not in oil or traffic clogged streets or sprawling suburbia. BTW there isn't enough oil in all the US to satisfy our cravings.
intelligent people realize that mass transit only works for extremely high density cities and portland is not one of them. applying NYC solutions to the rest of the country is an environmentalist pipe dream.
oil use will taper out naturally due to rising costs which will make alternative solutions more attractive without any theft of taxpayer resources. but i don't expect idiots like you to understand simple economics.
@dmancornell These are not "NYC solutions" these are solutions. You honestly think we are going to slowly taper off oil as long as idiots like you are rooting for more roads for more cars? There are over 2 million people in the Portland metro and roughly 600,000 of those people live in Portland and a large percentage of residents use mass transit/bike/walk. You whine about traffic jams and then get angry at people who utilize and push for mass transit? Seriously?
idiots are now just riding randomly where ever they feel like.. crossing the lines and riding in car lanes viloating their own bicycle laws put in place.. this white proveledge thing just keeps popping up all over the place.. And honestly Ive seen maybe two or 3 using the sidewalks to avoid the heavy trafic.. most of these folks or too careless to be riding in the streets. esp with kids on their bikes or trailing behind in little wagons. excercise walk, run, swim, stop being lazy..
Fuck cyclists. Wah! We blow through red lights and people hit us! WAH! ON YOUR LEFT! WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO RUN DOWN PEDESTRIANS! so long as we wear spandex shorts and fuck each other in the ass!
while biking is nice, the mayor of portland is spending 600 million on bike lanes, of which less than 2% of portlanders use, while cutting money for the portland police and the sewer project. Last time I checked 100% of the city used the police and i'm pretty tired of the williamette being too full of poop to safely swim in. in 2006 the willamette river was listed the third most endangered river in the united states. I guess oregon isn't as green as bike riders like to believe.
I started riding my bike to work about 5 months ago. It's relaxing, great exercise, cheap, doesn't take much more time (takes me 10 minutes to drive to work versus 20 minutes to ride my bike) and best of all leaves just about no carbon footprint with the exception of the original construction/shipping of the bike and regular maintenance - virtually no carbon footprint.
Why are you here in america again? I hate when assholes like you have the nerves to point fingers! If this was a perfect world, which it will never be, your fuckface wouldn't of ever been born. You should just appreciate that we have as many cyclist as we do! There's still is going to be a need for vehicles on the road fuckear! Especially when the ambulance come and scrap your negative ass off of hawthorne.
@natepowell1 Oh, so in a perfect world we would have everyone driving cars, and gridlock, would we. When did I ever say that there would be NO need for vehicles on the road. What I said, is that we need less, a lot less. Just because someone says that people should ride bikes more, you resort to stupid comments. It says more about you, then anyone else.
One negative thing cycling produces is...assholes like Krunchy! You're the reason why we hate you fucknecks! There's now reasoning with you. If you had it your way, you would fuck your bike seat. You probably already perform oral sex to it. Cycle "dickhead"!
@natepowell1 More like arseholes like you. You are obviously stupid, because you cant come up with a rational reason of why I am somehow wrong. You are the one there is no reasoning with..
Calm down "Krunchy" JUST DICK! Fuck you bickers. Why don't you ride you bikes on a fucking farm. This is the city you bike pedaling faggot! You probably ride a bike because you're a broke. S.O.B. Get a life you sorry fuck face!
@natepowell1 Oh that makes sense, im somehow a faggot, because I ride a bike, but you people are not, when you are obsessed with looking at what other blokes wear. Interesting
@TheSaucyProject. You say "Safety is always an issue when merging the traffic of a 100 2 ton machines and 4, 200 pound bikers". Fair enough. Get rid of the cars then!
Don't get me wrong. I went to PSU and think Portland is fine. But what they NEVER mention about bike commuting in Portland is that you will often arrive at work soaking wet.......and freezing.
@eric251982 i'm not afraid of the rain, i hava a rain jacket... and if you arive freezing cold that means you're not even putting forth enough effort to break a sweat
Haha ive been to portland and i like it alot, i actually want to go back some time soon great people great skatparks oregon is just amazing in general but thanks for the put down.
I think it's great that people bicycle around town. But I think the culture would benefit from more people learning the rules of the road. I can't even count the number of times I see cyclists not wearing any safety gear or not using arm signals at all.
All i know is that portland dident origanate with the idea of commuting, frame builders and commuters started in the midwest becuase of the poverty fuck portland and ther ego and the rich being able to commute suck my di** if you can drive then do it panzyes.
Bikers make me laugh!!! They're all big and bad on the bike but when the do something stupid and get hit all of a sudden they're this innocent victim.
@natepowell1 Your an idiot! Petrol sniffers make me laugh, they bitch about things like the oil spill in the gulf of mexico, then go and drive their cars, and take no responsibility for the cause, an ADDICTION TO OIL! If you are even capable of driving you should look out for pedestrians and cyclists and not hit them. Are you capable of driving?
What "JacindaAJ" do stay out of Portland. I'm a native here and i'll tell you 2 reasons why.
1.) There are NO jobs here. I barely got a job in fed-ex and i'm a full time student. (Lucky me!)
2.) Yeah i respect the bikers and everything, but their ass-holes too. They never abide stop signs or red lights. They also never use their designated bikers lane, which pisses (me) off motorist even more 'cause were more likely to hit them which in turn be our fault.
@spndall07 Car drivers need to take responsibility for their actions, and this includes the amount of pollution they generate, and the enormous cost of the infrastructure for cars. Usually if bike riders dont ride in a so called bike lane, it is because it is unsafe, (being doored ). When car drivers dont cut cyclists off, when they ride in the bike lane, more will do so.
i hate bikers here in portland its so annoying when u drive they take up the whole damn road and a crap load of the guys biking are acting like they are ready to hit the tour de france with their gay ass short shorts and shaved legs and spandex
@trousien I ride a bike, but dont wear lycra. However, I find it interesting that you are fixated with what men wear. Are you female, or are you a bloke looking at them all the time? I dont know, as a strait bloke, I dont go looking at what other blokes wear.
@KrunchyJD Your just a troll who decided to spam comment everyone here. How am I suppose to not notice what people are wearing on their bikes if they are just in the middle of the damn road. I don't know about you but when I am driving I actually notice things and am aware of my surroundings. I can tell what model of car is behind me and what kind of pedestrian is on the corner of the street. How can I not know what the person in front of me is wearing if he is causing traffic going 10 mph?
@trousien How are they Gay though? How do you know that?
As I said, I tend to wear normal shorts when I cycle, however, thats me. The fact is, it is cars are the ones causing the pollution, killing people on the road. American addiction to oil is part of the cause of the oil spill in the gulf of mexico.
@KrunchyJD Well its not very manly to wear that stuff nor it is to shave your legs.
In china there are more cyclist than motorists yet they are polluting substantial amounts due to their industrialization. Stop blaming cars for everything because everything requires oil whether its plastic, food, electricity, clothes almost everything needs oil. Just wait for the next energy source to come and stfu because your a pansy who wants to take a step back than forward. New energy is the answer.
@trousien The biggest user of oil is transport. Other things use oil, but transport is the primary user. You can jump up and down and argue all you want but the reality is that bicycles are more efficient around a city then cars, and dont cause the pollution, and obviously use less oil. Americas addiction to big SUV's is the problem, and has lead to things like the gulf oil spill.
I dont shave my legs, and I dont wear lycra, but equally I dont pay much attention or look at those who do.
I almost nail five or six of those bastards everytime I'm on Hawthorne. Sadly, one day I won't be able to stop in time, and then splat!! Bye-bye progressive hipster. = (
You will find that most of Oregonians do not care for your collective type of socialization and "thinking". Yes, you will find a small safe haven in the middle of urban Porland, but you are not welcome here by the rest of us.
The real Oregon is not a culture that supports the urban herd mentality, so please stay home. As time progresses you will be treated with more hostility by those of us who value our state and independence. .
so you do not think there is more collective socialism and thinking involved with using a car over a bicycle?
actually the hostility toward the poorly planned and non human oriented living all of america has had to put up with is being tested, and will continue to be treated with the hostility that is necessary.
value your state and independence? is that not why people want better bicycling infrastructure instead of nothing but parking lots and traffic to deal with?
@BBdaWolfy Rather, you should say. You New York urbanites, dont come here to Oregon, because most of us, except those city dwellers are a bunch of redneck right wing facist Hitler loving hillbillies.
Oh, by the way, it was Hitler, who was one of the first to demonise cycling. I guess we all know who your friends are.
@KrunchyJD Way to use hate language and racial slurs it makes you look so intelligent! Of course I don't really need to point out your hypocrisy ; you have done a marvelous job of that all over this page.
Did you also know Hitler was a big proponent of gun control? By your "logicl" does that fact now make you a Nazi ?
@BBdaWolfy How was I using racial slurs pray tell? I was suggesting that the anti cyclist brigade and the reds under the bed mob, are right wing idiots!
How is having a go at right wing rednecks, a racial slur? Are people born into a race of right wing rednecks are they? Being a right wing redneck, is about a persons attitude. So again what racial slur? It is a slur against people who think Fox News is NOT biased. It is a slur against Ultra right Neo-cons, NOT a racial slur.
@KrunchyJD It is quite evident you are filled with hate for those whom you disagree. You stoop so low as you use hate language. Can you please tell me again why you are any better than they? I am willing to wager you even claim to be "open minded" yourself. Hate is hate and you have exposed yourself as a bigot.
@BBdaWolfy I only use hate language when people use it against other people. Why are you having a go at "New York Urbanites", and their Collective socialization. Your lnguage suggests you are a right wing neo- con. Again, how is calling someone a right wing redneck, a racial slur?
Is it not hate language which you instigated, saying that "New York Urbanites", with their collective socialisation, your words, should not come down to where you live? Telling people they are not welcome..
@BBdaWolfy As a person who cycles for transport a good deal of the time, it is fair to say that I have hatred toward those that think it is their god given right to put my life at risk, with agressive driving. Imagine if you walked up the road, and every day some nutter in a car drove their vehicle close to you at high speed. What would your attitude be? I have studied the facts around cycling. If people can offer intelligent comments to suggest where i'm wrong I will listen.
@BBdaWolfy Why dont you just look at this page, and you will see that it is not me who starts using hate language, it is others. I simply put forward a logical argument to promote cycling as a transport issue. I have been told that because I ride a bike, I am a "faggot", "fuckear", etc etc. Somehow, because I defend cyclists, instead of offering a logical response, it is other people who resort to hate language, all of which has no logic to it at all. Look at this page, who starts the hate?
Being from the UK, I love Portland cos I feel at home -- in other places in the US, if you walk or bike everywhere you seem to get looked at as some kind of evil lol
I haven't traveled much, but i went to london, it feels like, IDENTICAL. however I hate the cyclists here because they for some reason think the OWN the road. you're on a bike, in the road, you're going to kill yourself if you don't pay attention
major!!! i'm all up for Portland and its unique identity to being green and sustainable, but bikers ... please stop being douchebags! i always see bikers crossing streets without paying any mind to stop signs or stop lights. as a matter of fact, i see at least one biker almost get a hit a week. just be careful on the streets!
@Jarek4 The argument, is that it was Hitler, who was one of the first people to persocute cyclists, so you agree with him. How are you making a valid argument by suggesting all cyclists are jerks? Fact is, it is not cyclists causing the pollution. American addiction to oil is partly responsible for the oil spill in the gulf. Cars are also inefficient in that they require huge amounts of space, to work with any safety. Car use requires sprawl, and that is inefficient.
@KrunchyJD You're such a fucking dumbass hippy. First off, hitler managed to rebuild germany from just the time in ww1 to ww2. Not every one is 100%. I'm not saying hitler was good, but you can't be wrong at every thing. Secondly, american citizens HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OIL COMPANY YOU FUCKTARD! I don't even live near it. Third. get your hippy ass off our streets. Portland is the most green friendly city in the world. Stop bitching about cars.
@Jarek4 You only think im a dumbass hippy because you know im right. I am having a go at the car culture in America, not the fact that you have a green city. If you use oil excesively then YOU ARE CREATING A DEPENDENCE ON OIL, AND IT IS THAT DEPENDENCE THAT CAUSES THINGS LIKE WHAT HAPPEND IN THE GULF, TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY.
@KrunchyJD YOU'RE SUCK A FUCKING MORON. You and me both know no americans have no control over oil companies. The oil company could have prevented it but they didn't. Blame the oil companies. Don't use them for a reason to excuse your ignorant hate on americans. Bikes are not reasonable. Especially in a city where it takes multiple hours to bike across it and it rains 9 of 12 months. Get over yourself. There's a difference between economically friendly and being a hippy. You're just a hippy
@Jarek4 If people drove cars less, then there would be less requirement to drill in 3 kms of water and ground. Less mistakes. Sure BP has the majority of responsibility, but American Car culture and hence oil dependence must take its fair share. Your just getting pissed off because you know I am right. I dont hate all American's, I hate the culture that emphasises car use over all other forms of transport. You should be thanking cyclists for creating less oil dependence, and that is the issue.
@KrunchyJD No, I'm annoyed at you because you think we live in a perfect world. The WORLD depends on cars and oil. The WORLD needs cars to operate and until someone else makes something better tTHE WORLD will stay the same. Multiple times things were better how ever every time the oil companies buy them out. You need to be realistic. People aren't just going to stop using their cars. Especially since it's one of the most needed things just to get to work 50 miles away.
@Jarek4 People only need cars, because they live in cities designed around cars. We would not need private cars in cities if cities were designed with distances that are on a "people" scale. Medium density housing, as in Europe encourages cycling. Electric trains, and bicycles can do most of the work of cars. Sure we may need small delivery trucks, and emergency vehicles in cities. But when cities are designed the right way, there is almost no need for private cars.
@KrunchyJD actually, if the world would get smart and develop a viable electric car that was cheap enough for the average person then the problem solve itself. the problem is that those type of technologies are crazy expensive. the problem isnt that we are using cars, its that they are still powered by gasoline, no solar or hydrogen, or electricity. it has nothing to do with the citizens honestly, we control nothing
@Xankar1 The problem with cars, electric or not, is the concept. With a car most of the energy used, is involved in transporting the car, because that is the heaviest part. With a bicycle most of the energy involved is used in transporting its occupant. To power a car on electricity to go 30 miles, you could use the same electricity to power several appliances for a month. Its inefficient, and not feasable without gasoline.
One solution could be Electric hybrid velomobiles. They are an enclosed small car (sort of) which you pedal, with an electric assist motor. The whole thing weighs only around 40 KG (about 100 lb). This is a better vehicle for around a city. We should also increase density in cities to make trips shorter and more viable for bicycles. Sure there may still need to be cars to some degree, but if people think that we can use electric cars like now, forget it!
@420witchdoctor At least there are some smart people still around. I think velomobiles are part of the answer as some have roofs to keep rain out, plus they are very efficient.
@Xankar1 You do realize that batteries for electric automobiles are extremely volatile and the making of them causes much greenhouse gas. Then there's shipping. Huge cargo ships, still being run on diesel fuel (you try telling the marine community to go electric, lol), and that also causes pollution. There is no safe alternative except horse and buggy.
Who's choice is it to live 50 miles from work? The fact is that most people designed their lives around the use of a car, neglecting everything outside of personal comfort and "image", and swallowed the fact that it will cost them 1/4th of their income. People make decisions based on how they will be immediately impacted - not on long term devastating effects. The oil industry has 90% of American's by the balls. So keep living in la-la land and believing in free energy.
@velodudect You're a fucking idiot. You don't have a choice. You take any job you can get. Especially right now. Also, you've NEVER been to a place like Portland. Things aren't close together. It takes 40 min to drive any where and that's driving. Any thing else IS NOT practical.
Maybe there are no housing options within a reasonable distance to your work? I suppose that's possible, but not likely for most people. Maybe you'll say that you can't keep moving to a place near work because it's impossible to hold a job in this economy? Portland looks pretty compact to me. The entire metropolitan area is the same size as the 5 town area I live in and BIKE everywhere no bike infrastructure. I go 22 miles to visit my father, only takes 20 minutes longer than the car.
@velodudect I work for myself. It's not my problem and HAHA no. Portland itself is huge, let alone all the suburbs. Beaverton, tualiton, hillsboro, etc etc. Many jobs are out there and the fact that portland is covered in hills and trees making the roads windy doesn't help. Also, the weather is rainy, cloudy, dark, and extremely windy 9 months of the year. Any thing other than cars are simply not practical.
... and that's through suburban/rural areas where cars have high speed stretches. Would any other Portlander's like to comment on how it takes 40 minutes to get anywhere? The city itself is less than 10 miles across, that's 30 minutes on bike. Maybe all the traffic Portland travels at 10mph? 7% of commuters in Portland use a bike, which is 7x as many as any other America city, there must be a good reason for that, it must be somewhat practical for those people.
@velodudect great points Velo - and these are universal points - I am faster cycling to work (in sunshine, hail, rain or snow) than driving from my home in Edinburgh to my place of work - 9 miles away. Infact I can usually be showered and dressed before folk arrive on the bus dispite having set off at simiar times. It's much more interesting - Winters here are dark and dank - the bus is mind numming. Cycling gives me, as I am sure it does you, a real rush - which more people should experience.
@fll10743 In Europe it is safer to cycle, because there are more cyclists. The more cyclists there are, the safer it is. Cyclists who break the law should be prosecuted, that is true, however, as a motorist it is your responsibility as the more dangerous vehicle to not hit them.
They didn't show our green lanes, special bike lanes that are literally green so that they stand out against the regular, gray concrete. More of these lanes are popping up all the time.
yeah but how can he carbon tax the daylight out of you if you dont conform to buy buy buy a new american... er formily american car now brazilian, chinese car. Thanks to the nifty tax payers, and those genius politicians, I just never knew it felt so good to work all week just to give it all away to the lazy imigrants living on welfare, untill now.
Wow, I didn't know you were paying so much in taxes. Maybe you make too much money? Maybe you shouldn't buy cars at all? Maybe you should stop blaming politicians for your own habits?
Bicyclists already have all the rights of cars on all roads with speed limits less than 40 mph. However, these roads aren't accessible to everyone. Children and less experienced riders are enabled by investments in cycling infrastructure. If I had it my way, there'd be a Copenhagen style tax on owning a car. With the right infrastructure, it simply isn't necessary.
I moved to Portland last June and gave up my car in Sept. I bike everywhere and love this city. The people are incredibly nice and bike aware. Yes, I bike defensively and always assume I am invisible to car drivers but still I'm impressed by how friendly and aware drivers are in this city. Some bikers who are unsafe but that goes for drivers, too. Always a few people in any group who are unsafe. I thought I would miss my car but find I don't. I am a member of Zipcar but hardly ever use it.
You're required by law to have liability insurance. Do you know why that is? Just in case a car causes another person injury. Do you know how many times likelier a car is to cause someone else injury than a bike? I'll tell you it's far more than 100 times in terms of total economic damages, which kind of makes the need for insurance minimal. Also, taxes to pay for the roads come from state taxes which comes from real estate taxes and sales taxes. EVERYBODY pays those, including cyclists.
Ok it seems like youre a politician and youre missing the point or avoiding it as if I will take the bait.. I will say this in big letters to better state my point.. It Is Not Safe.. Regardless of how safe you are. on your bike, and regardless of some little law to help promote portland. That is the issue. A autistic child, riding his bike in the street because he sees everyone else do so is not the lesson you want to teach. Even for kids without autism. Respect the power size, be courteous
@SaucySTL Following this logic we would see everyone driving around in tanks and also morbidly obese, oh wait that happens now!
If cycling is not safe, then it should be made safe. Cycling promotes health, produces almost zero pollution, and reduces the requirement to tarmac the landscape. Cycling is good in every way.
Also you neglect to see that in countries such as the Netherlands kids ride their bikes to school in safety. Also the more cyclists there are the safer it is for everyone.
@Xankar1 Velomobiles are a good answer there, they are like a small car, you pedal, some even have electric assist, and a roof. Seriously though, I have cycled in the rain, its not that bad, wear a rain jacket.. Look, sometimes a car is good, but people need them on far fewer times then they think. Its car culture thats the problem, its also the idea that to go anywhere the first thing people turn to is cars, and we design cities around cars, not people.
portland is a very nice place i have no idea wat somoe if u are talking about its not "snooty". there just saying that they don thave lot of polution like places in california or new york
Very COOL
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hkiersey 1 month ago
have you ever rode a bike........on weeeed????
sibinala 9 months ago
@sibinala No, but have ridden shitfaced drunk many times.
LoudProudNPunk1 8 months ago
@sibinala omg not weeeeed!
DocUnsane 8 months ago
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Threetails 9 months ago
I hate all the bikers here! I mean really! I know its more efficient and crap but it get really annoying really fast
Nan0min 1 year ago
@Nan0min The selfish and impatient are annoying too.
iagodassdoff 10 months ago
@Nan0min Why? You guys are inside warm cars while it's hailing and raining and shit and it annoys you because people bike?
rorschach775 7 months ago
@rorschach775 You must be a biker, and I don't think I want to hear your biased opinion. I bike too, just not around tons of cars who SHOULD have the right of way instead of people who abuse their right. I've had way to many bad experiences with bikers around here.
Nan0min 7 months ago
@Nan0min Sounds pretty closed minded haha. I was just asking a question. I've had just as many bad experiences with bikers/drivers. It's just traffic dude. It's not a cars vs bikes thing. They're just people who are in the fucking way. And I grew up in NY. This shit is nothing. It takes a max like 5 minutes to get anywhere around here, even with heavy traffic. Watching Portlanders complain is such a joke.
rorschach775 7 months ago
@Nan0min you share the road with cyclists so it would only be proper to hear our opinions and not be so narrow-minded. and FYI right of way goes pedestrian>cyclist>motorist. Drivers are just as wreckless as the worst cyclist, except a car will cause much more violence than a bicycle.
PacificSurgeNJ 6 months ago
Interesting vid - i am a keen cyclist - with BMX, MTB and hybrid (for commuting around Edinburgh - Scotland).
I hope this is a trend which flurishes in the states - where both BMX and MTB were born!
davidxmcgrath 1 year ago
hippies on fixies, god i love portland. (been here 10 years)
xomanowar42 1 year ago
@xomanowar42
only thing that sucks is that most cyclist are dicks
xomanowar42 1 year ago
@xomanowar42 hell yea
ebking123 1 year ago
Portland would be a great place to raise a family if it wasn't for its anti business climate and hard left politics! The city has been hijacked by the extremists of the green movement to the point that some locals call it Moscow on the Willamette.
WHEELSRUP 1 year ago
@WHEELSRUP Yes, Wheelrup. For the very reasons you mention I'm moving to Portland. Viva Moscow on the Willamette!
clareomarfran 1 year ago
@clareomarfran Ha hahaha You tell 'em! same reason I'm moving there myself! Go Portland! Go Green!
1nagloc1 1 year ago
@clareomarfran I am moving back there too!!!! Love portland. People are awesome there!!
cafeclash 1 year ago
@cafeclash make that three of us. I miss this city so much. I made a mistake leaving it.
RobbiePDX 1 year ago
This type of environment is making me consider leaving San Francisco for good and move up to Portland.
azriel724 1 year ago
I rather ride a bike in rain (with the proper protective gear) than be a part of the problem. I've never been hit by a car or crashed in over 65,000 road miles. Most people choose comfort and convenience over sustainable, healthy living. I acknowledge that there is a large number of people who truly don't have the choice of not using an automobile, but they are the minority.
velodudect 1 year ago
Great!
nellie2581 1 year ago
"a large percentage of residents use mass transit/bike/walk"
LOL typical lies from the anti-car fascists. By large percentage do you mean 5-10% on a typical weekday? Quit drinking the city planner koolaid. Mass transit is barely cost efficient in NYC (mostly due to the parasitic transit unions), only delusional jackasses think it will work in Portland.
Everyone living outside the insular downtown area despise selfish pricks who refuse road improvements and waste everyone's time.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell More than $6 billion in development has occurred along Portland’s MAX light rail lines since the decision to build in 1978 Portland’s streetcar line also has generated $2.8 billion in investments. Between 1997 and 2005, 7,200 new housing units and 4.6 million square feet of commercial development occurred in the Pearl District, once a blighted industrial area near the line. For every $1 spent of public transit on average $6 in local economic activity is generated. Suck on that.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
"For every $1 spent of public transit on average $6 in local economic activity is generated."
Source: American Public Transportation Association
Typical for government to take credit for PRIVATE development. Once again cause and effect is completely abandoned. Look the Pearl developed after the streetcar, it must be because of the streetcar. DERP!
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell You think the streetcar had nothing to do with that attraction that brought people and business to the Pear District? You also must think that the new (second line) currently being installed in the Pearl that will connect the East side and loop down to the South waterfront and back is just being put in for fun right? It can't possibly be because of it's current proven success right? Just an FYI I live in the Pearl so please, don't try to tell me whats happening in MY neighborhood.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
figures that a selfish jackass like you lives in the pearl and advocates wasting everyone else's time to save yours.
Again, cost vs benefits. Installing the street car obviously benefits the few people who live in the area (as well as the politically connected developers and lobbied politicians, but off topic), but pissing away that money for a few people cost everyone else in Portland far more time and money.
But of course the selfish denizens of the Pearl don't give a shit
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell THERE YOU GO AGAIN ACTING LIKE A MORON. PEARL RESIDENTS PAY HIGHER TAXES SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STREETCAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. Nice try though idiot.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
LOL. Are the Pearl taxes high enough to cover the ridiculous cost, typical of all government run projects? How about the Westside express? Is the rock bottom ridership offset by huge taxes levied on residents along the line? I didn't think so.
So my money is used to subsidize your selfish desire for cheap transport and satisfy your smug anti-car fascism. Just because I work have to commute to Hillsboro to work. Isn't government wonderful?
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell And there you go again on another tangent... wow.. don't you have a traffic jam somewhere you should be participating in?
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
How is that a tangent? My argument has always been that road expansion is a fairer, more cost-effective way to spend the transport budget to solve the commute problem. As opposed to your selfish, politically/environmentally driven non-solutions which benefit only a few people and solves nothing.
The fact you brought up the streetcar is hilarious because that is exactly the worst example of useless spending to benefit a few at the cost of others. I lol'ed.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell Im glad that you "lol'ed' While your "lol'ing" and stuck in traffic, the rest of us will be investing in real transportation solutions for the future growth of the city and improving the quality of life in Portland. You may also want to do a quick search of all the other American cities that are now installing street-cars / light rail and let them know how "selfish" they are being by investing in their futures.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
You still fail to address the point of cost-effectiveness and fairness. Investing in the future is a codeword for anti-car fascism and statist control over people's lives, over where they live and work. And believe it or not, corrupt politicians and greedy developers exist in other US cities as well. I am not impressed.
By the way, I grew up in Hong Kong and it has a profitable, *PRIVATE*, high ridership subway that pays for itself (unlike US system). See, it can be done!
dmancornell 1 year ago
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pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
selfish: opposite of fair
"Should I bring up the millions upon millions spent each year maintaining the roads that I don't use" -> You are selfish
QED
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell If I am selfish than your delusional.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
LOL delusional? I gave a real life example, in the city I grew up in, of mass transit working as it should. The US cannot do the same thing because of government corruption and lack of population density.
You are delusional because you think it will work, and you're selfish for demanding the government spend my money to implement that delusion.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell Yep the government and state are so inept and corrupt that they were unable to build the roads and bridges you now worship and adore... You do realize that street cars and light rail are NOT new concepts than anyone is bringing fourth it is how people got around before the personal auto was shoved down all of our throats. Do some research please for God sakes.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
Anyone can build roads. Government does it worst. You seen Burnside lately? Arguably road congestion in Portland is completely caused by inept government engineers fucking up the designs.
In any case, you're the one who needs to do research. Go look up how many mass transit systems in the US actually break even before demanding the government spend my money to prop up a perpetually bankrupt operation.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell You are such an idiot. There you go again complaining about traffic congesting while bashing alternative mass-transit options designed to alleviate traffic congestion.. If "Anyone can build roads" are we going to see you out on Burnside in the near future providing awesome new road improvements that will lessen traffic congestion? Have you looked up those cities yet? Have you called to tell them how "fascist" and "selfish" they are? What did they say in response?
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
Unfortunately the government has a monopoly on roadbuilding. Illegal and unconstitutional in my opinion. The monopoly closes off all competition and makes all roads look bad.
By the way, when people complain about roads, they want better roads, not your half-assed non-solutions. None of Portland's mass transit options can even handle a fraction of daily commuters and no amount of money can change that hard fact.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell... So we should take the thousands of people who utilize mass transit in the Metro area and stick them in cars right? Stick them in the traffic jam with you right? That would be the ultimate solution right? You are hopeless.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
If they didn't build riderless disasters like the westside express and spent the money on roads they wouldn't be so jammed up. DUH.
dmancornell 1 year ago
such a load of shit. maybe the city spend money on solving the horrendous rush hour traffic on I-5 north or the retarded tunnel on 26 before building a "bike economy".
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell Maybe you should get your fat ass out of the car and get on a bike and you won't have to bitch about traffic jams.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
unlike unemployed hipsters, productive members of society often have to commute long distances and carry more than an overpriced macbook in a messenger bag to work.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell "Productive members of society?" You mean car-dependent suburbanites who spend half their day in traffic jams?
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
Portland has traffic jams because the useless bureaucrats who run the city neglect the roads to fund half-assed public transit programs.
The local government should serve citizens fairly and spend transport money according to need (I5N and 26E) instead of political special interests (Trimet and bike programs). Bike and MAX fascists steal from everyone else for their own delusional save-the-earth dream.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell YA! Wider lanes and more roads to accommodate more traffic is the solution to traffic jams! Forget about mass transit, biking, walking, car-pooling even! Let's continue to be dependent on the personal auto like it's the 1950's and simply build more roads! While we are at it let's continue to hemorrhage money towards our enemies so we can keep gas prices at Chevron below $4.00 per gallon!
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
None of your proposed solutions even come close to solving Portland's transportation needs even with the government enforced urban development boundary (which artificially inflates home prices at citizen cost). The MAX serves what, 5% of commuters on a good day?
Anti-car fascists feed on a delusional pipe dream while forcing their ideology on other people at exorbitant costs.
BTW, buying oil from foreign enemies is a direct result of the US not producing their own oil.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell And your solution of... oh yeah.. you don't have one.. you think we need more roads for more cars and more traffic jams. Intelligent people are looking towards alternative sources of transport and energy so we can not only help our environment, we can break our addiction on the oil our enemies control. It's OK I don't expect you to understand. The future is not in oil or traffic clogged streets or sprawling suburbia. BTW there isn't enough oil in all the US to satisfy our cravings.
pavilionking06 1 year ago
@pavilionking06
intelligent people realize that mass transit only works for extremely high density cities and portland is not one of them. applying NYC solutions to the rest of the country is an environmentalist pipe dream.
oil use will taper out naturally due to rising costs which will make alternative solutions more attractive without any theft of taxpayer resources. but i don't expect idiots like you to understand simple economics.
dmancornell 1 year ago
@dmancornell These are not "NYC solutions" these are solutions. You honestly think we are going to slowly taper off oil as long as idiots like you are rooting for more roads for more cars? There are over 2 million people in the Portland metro and roughly 600,000 of those people live in Portland and a large percentage of residents use mass transit/bike/walk. You whine about traffic jams and then get angry at people who utilize and push for mass transit? Seriously?
pavilionking06 1 year ago
bullshit, Davis has more bicycles.
SPAMPolice1 1 year ago
idiots are now just riding randomly where ever they feel like.. crossing the lines and riding in car lanes viloating their own bicycle laws put in place.. this white proveledge thing just keeps popping up all over the place.. And honestly Ive seen maybe two or 3 using the sidewalks to avoid the heavy trafic.. most of these folks or too careless to be riding in the streets. esp with kids on their bikes or trailing behind in little wagons. excercise walk, run, swim, stop being lazy..
SaucySTL 1 year ago
Fuck cyclists. Wah! We blow through red lights and people hit us! WAH! ON YOUR LEFT! WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO RUN DOWN PEDESTRIANS! so long as we wear spandex shorts and fuck each other in the ass!
LSDetroit 1 year ago
while biking is nice, the mayor of portland is spending 600 million on bike lanes, of which less than 2% of portlanders use, while cutting money for the portland police and the sewer project. Last time I checked 100% of the city used the police and i'm pretty tired of the williamette being too full of poop to safely swim in. in 2006 the willamette river was listed the third most endangered river in the united states. I guess oregon isn't as green as bike riders like to believe.
BiteOutOfCrime1 1 year ago
I started riding my bike to work about 5 months ago. It's relaxing, great exercise, cheap, doesn't take much more time (takes me 10 minutes to drive to work versus 20 minutes to ride my bike) and best of all leaves just about no carbon footprint with the exception of the original construction/shipping of the bike and regular maintenance - virtually no carbon footprint.
jpete3027666 1 year ago
Fixed gear for life, P-Town Oregon BABY!!!!
420witchdoctor 1 year ago
Why are you here in america again? I hate when assholes like you have the nerves to point fingers! If this was a perfect world, which it will never be, your fuckface wouldn't of ever been born. You should just appreciate that we have as many cyclist as we do! There's still is going to be a need for vehicles on the road fuckear! Especially when the ambulance come and scrap your negative ass off of hawthorne.
natepowell1 1 year ago
@natepowell1 Oh, so in a perfect world we would have everyone driving cars, and gridlock, would we. When did I ever say that there would be NO need for vehicles on the road. What I said, is that we need less, a lot less. Just because someone says that people should ride bikes more, you resort to stupid comments. It says more about you, then anyone else.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
One negative thing cycling produces is...assholes like Krunchy! You're the reason why we hate you fucknecks! There's now reasoning with you. If you had it your way, you would fuck your bike seat. You probably already perform oral sex to it. Cycle "dickhead"!
natepowell1 1 year ago
@natepowell1 More like arseholes like you. You are obviously stupid, because you cant come up with a rational reason of why I am somehow wrong. You are the one there is no reasoning with..
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
Calm down "Krunchy" JUST DICK! Fuck you bickers. Why don't you ride you bikes on a fucking farm. This is the city you bike pedaling faggot! You probably ride a bike because you're a broke. S.O.B. Get a life you sorry fuck face!
natepowell1 1 year ago
@natepowell1 Oh that makes sense, im somehow a faggot, because I ride a bike, but you people are not, when you are obsessed with looking at what other blokes wear. Interesting
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
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@TheSaucyProject. You say "Safety is always an issue when merging the traffic of a 100 2 ton machines and 4, 200 pound bikers". Fair enough. Get rid of the cars then!
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
wierd... china used to be all bicycles and they all want to own cars now... in portland everybody drives cars but wants to ride bikes
dirtTdude 1 year ago
Don't get me wrong. I went to PSU and think Portland is fine. But what they NEVER mention about bike commuting in Portland is that you will often arrive at work soaking wet.......and freezing.
eric251982 1 year ago
@eric251982 i'm not afraid of the rain, i hava a rain jacket... and if you arive freezing cold that means you're not even putting forth enough effort to break a sweat
dirtTdude 1 year ago
What an AMAZING city. See what progressive ideas can do for you. TRY IT!
kingpatrick1972 1 year ago
Haha ive been to portland and i like it alot, i actually want to go back some time soon great people great skatparks oregon is just amazing in general but thanks for the put down.
TheMpls25 2 years ago
Why thank you New York Times!
ElPresidente1er 2 years ago
I think it's great that people bicycle around town. But I think the culture would benefit from more people learning the rules of the road. I can't even count the number of times I see cyclists not wearing any safety gear or not using arm signals at all.
schwarzblatt 2 years ago
@schwarzblatt its not safe to take your hands off the controles to make a series of complicated jestures and signals
dirtTdude 1 year ago
I love Portland but I kinda agree that. Some yuppies are fucking annoying as fuck Im more of a trimet (buses)/ motorcycle person myself though
mheadbanger 2 years ago
Listen to all the Suburban car-addicted babies whine about the big bad bike culture...
stevemallen1 2 years ago
Petty, I know.
MrEttic 2 years ago
All i know is that portland dident origanate with the idea of commuting, frame builders and commuters started in the midwest becuase of the poverty fuck portland and ther ego and the rich being able to commute suck my di** if you can drive then do it panzyes.
TheMpls25 2 years ago
are you capable of any sort of coherence?
MrEttic 2 years ago
Go to portland, you will change your mind.
wscasper0512 2 years ago
Where did you learn how to spell is all I can say... lol
brian7088 2 years ago
@TheMpls25 That sounds intelligent. Did you pass kindergarten?
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
Bikers make me laugh!!! They're all big and bad on the bike but when the do something stupid and get hit all of a sudden they're this innocent victim.
natepowell1 2 years ago
@natepowell1 Your an idiot! Petrol sniffers make me laugh, they bitch about things like the oil spill in the gulf of mexico, then go and drive their cars, and take no responsibility for the cause, an ADDICTION TO OIL! If you are even capable of driving you should look out for pedestrians and cyclists and not hit them. Are you capable of driving?
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
What "JacindaAJ" do stay out of Portland. I'm a native here and i'll tell you 2 reasons why.
1.) There are NO jobs here. I barely got a job in fed-ex and i'm a full time student. (Lucky me!)
2.) Yeah i respect the bikers and everything, but their ass-holes too. They never abide stop signs or red lights. They also never use their designated bikers lane, which pisses (me) off motorist even more 'cause were more likely to hit them which in turn be our fault.
spndall07 2 years ago
Get yourself on a bike and you can run stop signs and hold up traffic too! You won't get hit because you'll be paying attention.
There sure as hell aren't any jobs here.
ccarterkk 2 years ago
@spndall07 Car drivers need to take responsibility for their actions, and this includes the amount of pollution they generate, and the enormous cost of the infrastructure for cars. Usually if bike riders dont ride in a so called bike lane, it is because it is unsafe, (being doored ). When car drivers dont cut cyclists off, when they ride in the bike lane, more will do so.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
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spndall07 2 years ago
i hate bikers here in portland its so annoying when u drive they take up the whole damn road and a crap load of the guys biking are acting like they are ready to hit the tour de france with their gay ass short shorts and shaved legs and spandex
trousien 2 years ago
hate is a strong word.
MrEttic 2 years ago
@trousien I ride a bike, but dont wear lycra. However, I find it interesting that you are fixated with what men wear. Are you female, or are you a bloke looking at them all the time? I dont know, as a strait bloke, I dont go looking at what other blokes wear.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD Your just a troll who decided to spam comment everyone here. How am I suppose to not notice what people are wearing on their bikes if they are just in the middle of the damn road. I don't know about you but when I am driving I actually notice things and am aware of my surroundings. I can tell what model of car is behind me and what kind of pedestrian is on the corner of the street. How can I not know what the person in front of me is wearing if he is causing traffic going 10 mph?
trousien 1 year ago
@trousien How are they Gay though? How do you know that?
As I said, I tend to wear normal shorts when I cycle, however, thats me. The fact is, it is cars are the ones causing the pollution, killing people on the road. American addiction to oil is part of the cause of the oil spill in the gulf of mexico.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD Well its not very manly to wear that stuff nor it is to shave your legs.
In china there are more cyclist than motorists yet they are polluting substantial amounts due to their industrialization. Stop blaming cars for everything because everything requires oil whether its plastic, food, electricity, clothes almost everything needs oil. Just wait for the next energy source to come and stfu because your a pansy who wants to take a step back than forward. New energy is the answer.
trousien 1 year ago
@trousien The biggest user of oil is transport. Other things use oil, but transport is the primary user. You can jump up and down and argue all you want but the reality is that bicycles are more efficient around a city then cars, and dont cause the pollution, and obviously use less oil. Americas addiction to big SUV's is the problem, and has lead to things like the gulf oil spill.
I dont shave my legs, and I dont wear lycra, but equally I dont pay much attention or look at those who do.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
stay out of oregon! the economy is bad and NO there are no f***ing jobs here!
JacindaAJ 2 years ago
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
MUGENKINGU 2 years ago
I want to live in portland =(
maikoo25 2 years ago
I almost nail five or six of those bastards everytime I'm on Hawthorne. Sadly, one day I won't be able to stop in time, and then splat!! Bye-bye progressive hipster. = (
nuggz503 2 years ago
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moonsojung 2 years ago
Dear New York urbanites,
You will find that most of Oregonians do not care for your collective type of socialization and "thinking". Yes, you will find a small safe haven in the middle of urban Porland, but you are not welcome here by the rest of us.
The real Oregon is not a culture that supports the urban herd mentality, so please stay home. As time progresses you will be treated with more hostility by those of us who value our state and independence. .
Just a word to the wise.
BBdaWolfy 2 years ago
so you do not think there is more collective socialism and thinking involved with using a car over a bicycle?
actually the hostility toward the poorly planned and non human oriented living all of america has had to put up with is being tested, and will continue to be treated with the hostility that is necessary.
value your state and independence? is that not why people want better bicycling infrastructure instead of nothing but parking lots and traffic to deal with?
djkenny 1 year ago
@BBdaWolfy Rather, you should say. You New York urbanites, dont come here to Oregon, because most of us, except those city dwellers are a bunch of redneck right wing facist Hitler loving hillbillies.
Oh, by the way, it was Hitler, who was one of the first to demonise cycling. I guess we all know who your friends are.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD Way to use hate language and racial slurs it makes you look so intelligent! Of course I don't really need to point out your hypocrisy ; you have done a marvelous job of that all over this page.
Did you also know Hitler was a big proponent of gun control? By your "logicl" does that fact now make you a Nazi ?
BBdaWolfy 1 year ago
@BBdaWolfy How was I using racial slurs pray tell? I was suggesting that the anti cyclist brigade and the reds under the bed mob, are right wing idiots!
How is having a go at right wing rednecks, a racial slur? Are people born into a race of right wing rednecks are they? Being a right wing redneck, is about a persons attitude. So again what racial slur? It is a slur against people who think Fox News is NOT biased. It is a slur against Ultra right Neo-cons, NOT a racial slur.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD It is quite evident you are filled with hate for those whom you disagree. You stoop so low as you use hate language. Can you please tell me again why you are any better than they? I am willing to wager you even claim to be "open minded" yourself. Hate is hate and you have exposed yourself as a bigot.
BBdaWolfy 1 year ago
@BBdaWolfy I only use hate language when people use it against other people. Why are you having a go at "New York Urbanites", and their Collective socialization. Your lnguage suggests you are a right wing neo- con. Again, how is calling someone a right wing redneck, a racial slur?
Is it not hate language which you instigated, saying that "New York Urbanites", with their collective socialisation, your words, should not come down to where you live? Telling people they are not welcome..
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@BBdaWolfy As a person who cycles for transport a good deal of the time, it is fair to say that I have hatred toward those that think it is their god given right to put my life at risk, with agressive driving. Imagine if you walked up the road, and every day some nutter in a car drove their vehicle close to you at high speed. What would your attitude be? I have studied the facts around cycling. If people can offer intelligent comments to suggest where i'm wrong I will listen.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@BBdaWolfy Why dont you just look at this page, and you will see that it is not me who starts using hate language, it is others. I simply put forward a logical argument to promote cycling as a transport issue. I have been told that because I ride a bike, I am a "faggot", "fuckear", etc etc. Somehow, because I defend cyclists, instead of offering a logical response, it is other people who resort to hate language, all of which has no logic to it at all. Look at this page, who starts the hate?
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
what makes it cool is that the streets of portland were MADE for biking smoothly and how everything isnt that far away so its easy to get there.
screwu18 2 years ago
Nice, I didn't think that Wolverine was so environment-friendly
Giardello 2 years ago
ha!
Shelbytown123 2 years ago
Best frame manufacturers almost in the WORLD, next to Italy.
420witchdoctor 2 years ago
cars are bad mkay
brilobite 2 years ago
I hate how many bikes there are here. They think they own the road and then get pissed if you don't get out of there way. It's stupid
LovexXxpainful 2 years ago
Hey, shut your mouth and deal with, like you have a choice, lol.
420witchdoctor 2 years ago
Finally someone got it right. Accurate description of Portland!
yourfacefilm 2 years ago
lol @ these people who believe co2 = global warming
seniordiscount 2 years ago
co2 does produce global warming. look at science.
islespatrick 2 years ago
Being from the UK, I love Portland cos I feel at home -- in other places in the US, if you walk or bike everywhere you seem to get looked at as some kind of evil lol
vaudevilleUK 2 years ago
I haven't traveled much, but i went to london, it feels like, IDENTICAL. however I hate the cyclists here because they for some reason think the OWN the road. you're on a bike, in the road, you're going to kill yourself if you don't pay attention
Jarek4 2 years ago
major!!! i'm all up for Portland and its unique identity to being green and sustainable, but bikers ... please stop being douchebags! i always see bikers crossing streets without paying any mind to stop signs or stop lights. as a matter of fact, i see at least one biker almost get a hit a week. just be careful on the streets!
fll10743 2 years ago
I think it could all be summed up by, don't be a freaking retarded jerk which most cyclists are
Jarek4 2 years ago
@Jarek4 You do know that Hitler, was one of the first people to demonise cyclists. Its good to know where the petrol heads sympathies are.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD lol, Compare someone to Hitler. You're an idiot. Make an actual argument before replying to someone.
Jarek4 1 year ago
@Jarek4 The argument, is that it was Hitler, who was one of the first people to persocute cyclists, so you agree with him. How are you making a valid argument by suggesting all cyclists are jerks? Fact is, it is not cyclists causing the pollution. American addiction to oil is partly responsible for the oil spill in the gulf. Cars are also inefficient in that they require huge amounts of space, to work with any safety. Car use requires sprawl, and that is inefficient.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD You're such a fucking dumbass hippy. First off, hitler managed to rebuild germany from just the time in ww1 to ww2. Not every one is 100%. I'm not saying hitler was good, but you can't be wrong at every thing. Secondly, american citizens HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OIL COMPANY YOU FUCKTARD! I don't even live near it. Third. get your hippy ass off our streets. Portland is the most green friendly city in the world. Stop bitching about cars.
Jarek4 1 year ago
@Jarek4 You only think im a dumbass hippy because you know im right. I am having a go at the car culture in America, not the fact that you have a green city. If you use oil excesively then YOU ARE CREATING A DEPENDENCE ON OIL, AND IT IS THAT DEPENDENCE THAT CAUSES THINGS LIKE WHAT HAPPEND IN THE GULF, TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD YOU'RE SUCK A FUCKING MORON. You and me both know no americans have no control over oil companies. The oil company could have prevented it but they didn't. Blame the oil companies. Don't use them for a reason to excuse your ignorant hate on americans. Bikes are not reasonable. Especially in a city where it takes multiple hours to bike across it and it rains 9 of 12 months. Get over yourself. There's a difference between economically friendly and being a hippy. You're just a hippy
Jarek4 1 year ago
@Jarek4 If people drove cars less, then there would be less requirement to drill in 3 kms of water and ground. Less mistakes. Sure BP has the majority of responsibility, but American Car culture and hence oil dependence must take its fair share. Your just getting pissed off because you know I am right. I dont hate all American's, I hate the culture that emphasises car use over all other forms of transport. You should be thanking cyclists for creating less oil dependence, and that is the issue.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD No, I'm annoyed at you because you think we live in a perfect world. The WORLD depends on cars and oil. The WORLD needs cars to operate and until someone else makes something better tTHE WORLD will stay the same. Multiple times things were better how ever every time the oil companies buy them out. You need to be realistic. People aren't just going to stop using their cars. Especially since it's one of the most needed things just to get to work 50 miles away.
Jarek4 1 year ago
@Jarek4 People only need cars, because they live in cities designed around cars. We would not need private cars in cities if cities were designed with distances that are on a "people" scale. Medium density housing, as in Europe encourages cycling. Electric trains, and bicycles can do most of the work of cars. Sure we may need small delivery trucks, and emergency vehicles in cities. But when cities are designed the right way, there is almost no need for private cars.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD actually, if the world would get smart and develop a viable electric car that was cheap enough for the average person then the problem solve itself. the problem is that those type of technologies are crazy expensive. the problem isnt that we are using cars, its that they are still powered by gasoline, no solar or hydrogen, or electricity. it has nothing to do with the citizens honestly, we control nothing
Xankar1 1 year ago
@Xankar1 That and when any thing better comes out the oil companies buy it and hide it.
RedDragonAirsoft 1 year ago
@Xankar1 The problem with cars, electric or not, is the concept. With a car most of the energy used, is involved in transporting the car, because that is the heaviest part. With a bicycle most of the energy involved is used in transporting its occupant. To power a car on electricity to go 30 miles, you could use the same electricity to power several appliances for a month. Its inefficient, and not feasable without gasoline.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@Xankar1 See other response first.
One solution could be Electric hybrid velomobiles. They are an enclosed small car (sort of) which you pedal, with an electric assist motor. The whole thing weighs only around 40 KG (about 100 lb). This is a better vehicle for around a city. We should also increase density in cities to make trips shorter and more viable for bicycles. Sure there may still need to be cars to some degree, but if people think that we can use electric cars like now, forget it!
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD I know what you're talking about. They are super easy to pedal, and are capable of almost 60 mph! I think velomobiles are awesome!
420witchdoctor 1 year ago
@420witchdoctor At least there are some smart people still around. I think velomobiles are part of the answer as some have roofs to keep rain out, plus they are very efficient.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD I believe you have a point.
420witchdoctor 1 year ago
@Xankar1 You do realize that batteries for electric automobiles are extremely volatile and the making of them causes much greenhouse gas. Then there's shipping. Huge cargo ships, still being run on diesel fuel (you try telling the marine community to go electric, lol), and that also causes pollution. There is no safe alternative except horse and buggy.
420witchdoctor 1 year ago
@Jarek4
Who's choice is it to live 50 miles from work? The fact is that most people designed their lives around the use of a car, neglecting everything outside of personal comfort and "image", and swallowed the fact that it will cost them 1/4th of their income. People make decisions based on how they will be immediately impacted - not on long term devastating effects. The oil industry has 90% of American's by the balls. So keep living in la-la land and believing in free energy.
velodudect 1 year ago
@velodudect You're a fucking idiot. You don't have a choice. You take any job you can get. Especially right now. Also, you've NEVER been to a place like Portland. Things aren't close together. It takes 40 min to drive any where and that's driving. Any thing else IS NOT practical.
Jarek4 1 year ago
@Jarek4
Maybe there are no housing options within a reasonable distance to your work? I suppose that's possible, but not likely for most people. Maybe you'll say that you can't keep moving to a place near work because it's impossible to hold a job in this economy? Portland looks pretty compact to me. The entire metropolitan area is the same size as the 5 town area I live in and BIKE everywhere no bike infrastructure. I go 22 miles to visit my father, only takes 20 minutes longer than the car.
velodudect 1 year ago
@velodudect I work for myself. It's not my problem and HAHA no. Portland itself is huge, let alone all the suburbs. Beaverton, tualiton, hillsboro, etc etc. Many jobs are out there and the fact that portland is covered in hills and trees making the roads windy doesn't help. Also, the weather is rainy, cloudy, dark, and extremely windy 9 months of the year. Any thing other than cars are simply not practical.
Jarek4 1 year ago
... and that's through suburban/rural areas where cars have high speed stretches. Would any other Portlander's like to comment on how it takes 40 minutes to get anywhere? The city itself is less than 10 miles across, that's 30 minutes on bike. Maybe all the traffic Portland travels at 10mph? 7% of commuters in Portland use a bike, which is 7x as many as any other America city, there must be a good reason for that, it must be somewhat practical for those people.
velodudect 1 year ago
@velodudect great points Velo - and these are universal points - I am faster cycling to work (in sunshine, hail, rain or snow) than driving from my home in Edinburgh to my place of work - 9 miles away. Infact I can usually be showered and dressed before folk arrive on the bus dispite having set off at simiar times. It's much more interesting - Winters here are dark and dank - the bus is mind numming. Cycling gives me, as I am sure it does you, a real rush - which more people should experience.
davidxmcgrath 1 year ago
@fll10743 In Europe it is safer to cycle, because there are more cyclists. The more cyclists there are, the safer it is. Cyclists who break the law should be prosecuted, that is true, however, as a motorist it is your responsibility as the more dangerous vehicle to not hit them.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
A1 trans. net
a1trans 2 years ago
Things to do: Move to Portland
How is the cost of living down there?
saucy05 2 years ago
They didn't show our green lanes, special bike lanes that are literally green so that they stand out against the regular, gray concrete. More of these lanes are popping up all the time.
MarkHarwood 2 years ago
If your not a liberal hot head idiot dont move to Portland.
goldlionTWO 2 years ago
goldlionTWO: I'd rather live among hot-headed liberals than complacent conservative bumpkins any time...
gregpdx1970 2 years ago
Much nicer and friendlier place than any red state I've lived in
BigPappa7898 2 years ago
Gotta love portland!
InvestInPortland 2 years ago
Portland's a lil too bike friendly.
KleWdSide 2 years ago
This should be Obamas campaign, get more citys do what Portland does.
hardimpct 2 years ago
yeah but how can he carbon tax the daylight out of you if you dont conform to buy buy buy a new american... er formily american car now brazilian, chinese car. Thanks to the nifty tax payers, and those genius politicians, I just never knew it felt so good to work all week just to give it all away to the lazy imigrants living on welfare, untill now.
deathmarch5 2 years ago
Wow, I didn't know you were paying so much in taxes. Maybe you make too much money? Maybe you shouldn't buy cars at all? Maybe you should stop blaming politicians for your own habits?
clambii 2 years ago
Bicyclists already have all the rights of cars on all roads with speed limits less than 40 mph. However, these roads aren't accessible to everyone. Children and less experienced riders are enabled by investments in cycling infrastructure. If I had it my way, there'd be a Copenhagen style tax on owning a car. With the right infrastructure, it simply isn't necessary.
baz343 2 years ago
@baz343 Good to see some Americans have intelligence
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
In my dreams.....my city follows the lead of Portland.
5 *z for the Oregon city.
rsensorat3 2 years ago
I moved to Portland last June and gave up my car in Sept. I bike everywhere and love this city. The people are incredibly nice and bike aware. Yes, I bike defensively and always assume I am invisible to car drivers but still I'm impressed by how friendly and aware drivers are in this city. Some bikers who are unsafe but that goes for drivers, too. Always a few people in any group who are unsafe. I thought I would miss my car but find I don't. I am a member of Zipcar but hardly ever use it.
JAINTHORNE 2 years ago
and dont pay insurance and taxes on the streets
SaucySTL 2 years ago
You're required by law to have liability insurance. Do you know why that is? Just in case a car causes another person injury. Do you know how many times likelier a car is to cause someone else injury than a bike? I'll tell you it's far more than 100 times in terms of total economic damages, which kind of makes the need for insurance minimal. Also, taxes to pay for the roads come from state taxes which comes from real estate taxes and sales taxes. EVERYBODY pays those, including cyclists.
swbluto 2 years ago
you dont have bumbers
SaucySTL 2 years ago
get out the way
SaucySTL 2 years ago
Ok it seems like youre a politician and youre missing the point or avoiding it as if I will take the bait.. I will say this in big letters to better state my point.. It Is Not Safe.. Regardless of how safe you are. on your bike, and regardless of some little law to help promote portland. That is the issue. A autistic child, riding his bike in the street because he sees everyone else do so is not the lesson you want to teach. Even for kids without autism. Respect the power size, be courteous
SaucySTL 2 years ago
@SaucySTL Following this logic we would see everyone driving around in tanks and also morbidly obese, oh wait that happens now!
If cycling is not safe, then it should be made safe. Cycling promotes health, produces almost zero pollution, and reduces the requirement to tarmac the landscape. Cycling is good in every way.
Also you neglect to see that in countries such as the Netherlands kids ride their bikes to school in safety. Also the more cyclists there are the safer it is for everyone.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
@KrunchyJD you know, cycling is good accept for the fact that you un-bloody protected from he weather...
Xankar1 1 year ago
@Xankar1 Velomobiles are a good answer there, they are like a small car, you pedal, some even have electric assist, and a roof. Seriously though, I have cycled in the rain, its not that bad, wear a rain jacket.. Look, sometimes a car is good, but people need them on far fewer times then they think. Its car culture thats the problem, its also the idea that to go anywhere the first thing people turn to is cars, and we design cities around cars, not people.
KrunchyJD 1 year ago
portland is a very nice place i have no idea wat somoe if u are talking about its not "snooty". there just saying that they don thave lot of polution like places in california or new york
paleface888 2 years ago