re: Fitna the Film: a Christian Response

[jkris205]

personnaly i strongly beleive that ignorant psychos like you should be locked behind very high walls!

[alex93491]

Gert Wilders is under 24 hour police protection. So you've just proved his point. Well Done!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

dhansingbear, I was going to reply honestly to this, but looking at your channel and other comments you have made, I can see you are an extremist with a point of view that it is pointless me trying to address.

You are in debate with lots of other people so why don't you just carry those debates to conclusion, if you get to a point where you can have a civil debate, do come back.

Thank you for your time.

[betrayedcitizen]

muslims cannot debate lol..

[ytben26]

Abrogation supported ... Sura 2 verse 106

Whatever communications We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. Do you not know that Allah has power over all things?

there you happy now? want the wife beating ones next or is this enough for a source?

the holey quran.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

But what is the method through which mankind can see which verses have been abrogated, and which have not?

[ytben26]

I dont know you are the muslimm, you go find out.

[ExChristian2716]

The translation is wrong. 2:106 talks about God changing his miracles from one prophet to another.

Islam strictly prohibits wife beating.

[ConcernedInquirer]

Reason 4:

The speakers corner area allows all kinds of talk to go on without threat of death, you ask why and I respond that it could be Muslims would not assasinate a popular or frequent face at the venuue. But YOU are talking about London, not Amsterdamn. Where as we have seen Muslims bombing our country and plotting to hyjack planes in this country they donot have the bollocks to commit a high profile murder...yet

Holland is a different story, Wilders life is in immediate danger.

[ConcernedInquirer]

So, stop trying to talk for every closet radical muslim on every corner of the globe. You accuse Pat Condell as being to generalising yet you would rather play games with other peoples LIVES in order to promote YOUR religion. I dont find you funny or informed.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I'm not trying to talk for any radical Muslim, closet based or not. I abhor 'radical' anything.

How, exactly, am I playing a game with anybodies life?

[whypatcondellisntfun]

The premise of Fitna is that the Qur'an gives allows violence against all non-Muslims. I believe that the verses were taken out of context. The point of this movie is to prove that, if Islam is as intolerant as Fitna suggests, nobody, anywhere at anytime would be safe from attack for voicing an opinion against Islam withing earshot of a Muslim. You think that a crazy Muslim would hold back from killing just because they are at speakers' corner?

[HomeboundPilgrim]

Again, I think your premise is flawed whypatcondellisntfun.

Firstly, one does NOT have to cherry pick versus out of the Koran to make the book APPEAR violent; the book is online, and they need only read it and see for them self to see that this is true.

[HomeboundPilgrim]

Second, just as not every Jew follows Orthodox Judaism and not every Catholic follows the dictates of the Pontiff in Rome, why would you expect EVERY Muslim to follow every instruction of the Koran. Just because some observers of a faith are more lax than others does not mean that the doctrine of that faith are in any way lenient.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

OK. Find me a verse, in the Qur'an, that, *in its correct context* demands a Muslim commits violence against a person who has not attacked them.

[ytben26]

I already did find you a verse, its posted here, and abrogates a previous verse when Mohammad had less power which seemed friendly. Also I don't have the verse handy but this religion of yours desires to kill people if they leave the religion, it may not happen a lot in the West but many muslims in the Middle East and Africa have found out they can't really leave, making it worse then most cults.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

No. You are wrong. Unless you deliberately take the verse out of context. See my explanation, or else read verses 9:4, 9:5 and 9:6 and tell me that they are not interlinked.

[ytben26]

I don't believe that 9:5 and 9:6 are interlinked, it makes no sense, because 9:5 tells you to do away with the non believers.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I stand by my previous comment, I read 9:4, 9:5 and 9:6 as all being related. If you cannot see that with your own eyes there is nothing I can do to convince you.

You cannot take each single verse in isolation, it must be read in the context of the other verses, not to do so, would be like starting to watch a movie half way through. You'd get the gist, but you wouldn't understand any nuances.

[ytben26]

It still says to kill everyone you don't have a treaty with so I view it as a poor defense.

Come on man, just admit extremists have hijacked your religion and that you are subordinate to them. Look at the UK protests "Freedom of speech go to hell" and other signs .. scary ...

[whypatcondellisntfun]

9:4 Basically says If you have a treaty, and the other party doesn't break it, then keep the treaty.

9:5 says, when not in the sacred months you may kill 'idolaters' unless they repent and convert to Islam

9:6 says, if the idolators do not repent and do not convert to Islam, but they ask for protection, then protect them so that they may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety.

All. Very. Simple. If a crazy Muslim tries to kill you, ask for his protection.

[ytben26]

why not just not advocate killing in this first place.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Firstly, before I answer this question, do you agree with my analysis of verses 9:4-9:6 or not?

[ytben26]

no I do not agree.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

And there is the rub. We'll have to agree to disagree then. As a Muslim, I do not think I'm entitled to hunt you down and kill you for holding a view contrary to what I believe is written in the Qur'an.

I don't have a treaty with you. It isn't a sacred month. You have not converted to Islam.

Why do I not feel the need to kill you?

[ytben26]

because you obviously go to a Mosque where they don't push stuff like that, but were you in Afghanistan lets say, I think you would. Do you understand what I am saying? I don't think most Muslims in the west are radical, but there are people on the planet (Africa, Middle East) that I have seen TV shows of talking very evil things and using the Qu'ran to justify them, saying Islam permits them. Just go look at channel: Memrivideo, go visit my channel and playlist Radical Islam.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

So, we agree that there are differences between what Islam actually is, and what Islam is taught to be? You seem to be of the opinion that an 'extreme' interpretation of the Qur'an is the correct one, in which case, you hold the same opinion as the mad mullahs we both despise.

If I believed everything I saw on TV, I'd never get the courage to leave my house.  I don't need any education about 'radical Islam'. I'm only bothered about the Islam I practice, which is peaceful. Is that radical?

[ytben26]

Yes but that does not change my view that radical Islam is the majority of the world, thats why I told you that you are a special kind of Muslim, it is rare to meet any from the MIddle East or Africa that share your views.

They believe they are following the Qu'ran too.

what are your views on apostacy?

[whypatcondellisntfun]

How many Muslims from the Middle East or Africa have you met that preached hatred and terrorism and suicide attacks?

My views on apostacy are that there is nothing I have yet seen in the Qur'an which supports killing an apostate simply for being an aposate, and there can be no compulsion in religion.

[ytben26]

ah ha! so you use the no compulsion in religion line, that line is abrogated by the verse I posted about rounding up the non believers and offing them. Look dude, just watch some of the media from over there, and don't tell me the Taliban or Saudi Arabia for example have tolerance for womens rights (or anywhere in Africa or the entire muslim world)

you are a special kind of muslim that would probably be viewed as an apostate for your progressive beliefs.

[ytben26]

continued.

Also if you want to see where you can see it, just go to my profile and the playlist "Radical Islam" .. there everything is preached from wife beating, to taking over the world, to killing non believers, Americans, jews, Christians, whatever. All the radical stuff you KNOW exists and then you try and tell me go find some Middle Easterners and Africans that follow that logic. Find some that do not (and they cant live in the UK or USA) from over there.

[ytben26]

continued 2:

Why does Afghanistan for example, recently were going to kill a man for converting to Christianity. In the entire Muslim world there is no tolerance for any other religion but Islam. Just because you are a progessive Muslim does not even mean they would view you as a Muslim (but you are in my view) but the fundamentalist would call you an apostate.

[ytben26]

well I been waiting for 2 days from you for answers too, maybe you are just busy.. I did bring up a lot of examples and countries .. maybe Islam is not all it seems... few things are, don't feel cheated.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I have a working life. I can't spend my whole time debating on YouTube you know!

[ytben26]

yeah but you manage to reply to comments you selectively want to reply to and leave the ones that obviously the answer is not good for Islam out, I noticed that. You know us westerners are not as dumb as you Muslims think whether you are a western muslim just learning taqiya or a seasoned pro from the middle east we catch onto the ways you operate.

[ExChristian2716]

Islam does not instruct killing those who leave the religion. That's a Biblical law by the way.

[ytben26]

what are you talking about does not?? Why does a person face death if they are an apostate then? this is even said by apostates themselves.

[ExChristian2716]

There is a difference between true Islamic teachings and what fanatic Muslims do in the name of religion.

[ExChristian2716]

Oh, and there is no abrogation in the Holy Quran.

[ytben26]

ExChristian2716 - while I am happy for your new faith I hate to tell you that Abrogation is a reality and every radical believes in it, as well as to my understanding some muslims do not accept it, but that does not change the fact some do, and there is violence you see and oppression, that is the problem.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

So. You admit that there is a difference of opinion with regards to abrogation. And so who are you to say if abrogation is correct or not? The application of the law of abrogation is a subjective matter, and you say 'every radical believes it'. So what? Mainstream Muslims do not. The fact that you feel you can prove abrogation exists by citing that radicals accept it does not prove that Islam is evil, it proves that the 'radicals' made a subjective decision on how to interpret the Qur'an.

[ytben26]

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (muslim headquarters) believes in it, thats good enough for me.

I am not going to find out if every muslim agrees or not, but thats how the book deals with conflict. I accept it because it makes sense as to why there is so much "evil" from Islam.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Please cite your source for your claim that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia believes in the law of abrogation.

Also, please state your source for claiming that Saudi is Muslim HQ. Islam does not recognise any church or clergy...

[ytben26]

sura 2:106 - 108 ..

[ExChristian2716]

2:106-108 talk about God changing His miracles from one prophet to another. "Ayah" means a miracle here, not a verse.

[ytben26]

No they don't, I already posted the verse and you are using some translation that supports your view as opposed to the real translation that supports abrogation. Admit it Canadian you were duped.

[ytben26]

come on dude its Muslim HQ because they fund all the religious schools abroad, including the UK and the USA and in both countries (not just one!) they have found hatred being taught in the books for Non Islamic religions. One school was 20-25 minutes from my house. It is MUSLIM HQ, the leader of the movement to spread the 7th century hateful dogma. Cause they got the money, most Muslim countries havent got a dollar fifty ...

[ExChristian2716]

There is nothing in Islam called "Muslim HQ". Whether they fund schools all over the world does not change this fact. I am virulently against the Saudi regime and Whabbism for your information.

[ytben26]

to win this abrogation debate, I say that Surrah 2 verse 106 explains it, and Saudi Arabia and most Muslims interpret the Qu'ran literally. I can provide you a number of abrogated verses, including the famous "no compulsion in religion" which you called out of context, but I have 3 Islamic sources for it. If you reject it I dont see how you are muslim by the law of the Qu'ran.

[ExChristian2716]

I answered that down below.

[ExChristian2716]

Thank you for your good wishes.

You have to see the difference between true Islamic teachings and what some confused/ignirant Muslims do. There is no abrogation in the Holy Quran, and even Sunni traditional schools such as Azhar University have lately issued a book debunking the myth of abrogation. Whether some Muslims do not believe in it is irrelevant.

[ytben26]

I dunno I find a lot of references to Abrogation so just because you don't support it does not mean it does not exist.

[ytben26]

Since you choose to ignore me just for your own good since its such a pillar of your beliefs go read about abrogation or ask your Mosque, because references have abrogation tools in them, and you are a new muslim, in fact that is how the Qu'ran deals with contradictions.

cowardly to not write back when I take the time to respond to you, but you are currently under a spell I understand.

[ExChristian2716]

Did you direct that toward me? why the insults? I have been busy with my little brother's exams, so again, why the insults?

I explained that 2:106-108 do not talk about abrogation at all. I do not need to ask a mosque or whatever. This is not Christianity. There is no priesthood in Islam. I go by what the Holy Quran says, and it says there is no abrogation.

And for your information, there are no contradictions whatsoever in the Holy Quran.

[ytben26]

You can argue that, and I accept that YOU view true Islamic teachings one way, but Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Syria, Jordan, and other places that have horrid human rights records and no tolerance for non Islamic people make a big sound, do you understand this is not person to person but lumps huge groups of people, and never forget the Taliban was supposed to be Ultimate Islamic state. had relations with Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, two of the three major Islamic states.

[ExChristian2716]

I do not know how Saudi Arabia and Pakistan etc... should be relevant since I have never been to them. And actually Pakistan, Syria and Jordan do have churches in them. So your no-tolerance for non-Muslims in those countries is off here. The Taliban was never viewed as an ultimate "Islamic" state and did not have any relations with most of Muslim countries. Actually there is no such thing as "Islamic State" in the world. There are Muslim countries, but no Islamic countries. See the difference?

[ytben26]

what do you really know, being a recent convert about the real teachings of Islam? What would Saudi Arabia say about your claim there is no abrogation? I think they would tell you there is an you are not a Muslim if you practice it.

I wager I know more about Islam then you and I am an atheist, and every atheist has to defend themselves from evil propagated by these man made stories, so we have better research tools. I can show you abrogation and verses abrogated and sources in seconds.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

ytben26 - all talk, no trousers! Why post twice saying you can prove abrogation, and *not actually prove it*?

Feel free to PM me your Islamic sources.

[ytben26]

What trousers do I need anything but the Qu'ran if you want the abrogated verses and sources, sure I can send them to you but i want you to admit abrogation is in the Qu'ran you are denying you support then you are an apostate.

[ExChristian2716]

It is true I am recent convert but before that I studied Islam for several years.

I do not care what Saudi Arabia has to say about my religious convictions. I actually despise that regime.

Your comments here show that your knowledge about Islam is very flawed and distorted by the actions of some Muslims here and there. Islam is not evil, it's what some Muslims do that is evil.

I have shown that the Holy Quran does not prescribe abrogation at all. I firmly believe in that.

[betrayedcitizen]

if terrorists are evil then so was mohammed

[ExChristian2716]

No, he was not. I dare you to prove it from the Holy Quran.

Go eveilbible . com to see who the real terrorist is!!

[betrayedcitizen]

the koran is not holy, neither is murder, slavery, torture, theft, etc etc.

Hate speech.

98:6

Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures. (98:6

[ExChristian2716]

People who disbelieve will be in Hell in the Afterlife, not in this life. This is a common theme among all world religions.

[betrayedcitizen]

No it is not, you dont know enough about any religion to make a comment without making yourself look stupid

[betrayedcitizen]

8:55

Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.

5:60 even says that Allah transformed Jews of the past into apes and pigs. Verse 2:65 continues the theme.

Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their idiocy and worthlessness.

A hadith says that Muhammad believed rats to be "mutated Jews" (Bukhari 54:524, also confirmed by Sahih Muslim 7135 and 7136).

[betrayedcitizen]

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power." Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad's men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.

[betrayedcitizen]

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - "Allah said, 'A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.'"

[betrayedcitizen]

Ibn Ishaq: 990 - Lest anyone think that cutting off someone's head while screaming 'Allah Akbar!' is a modern custom, here is an account of that very practice under Muhammad, who seems to approve.

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah." Muhammad's instructions to his men prior to a military raid.

[betrayedcitizen]

Muslim (19:4321-4323) - Three separate hadith in which Muhammad shrugs over the news that innocent children were killed in a raid by his men against unbelievers. His response: "They are of them (meaning the enemy)."

[betrayedcitizen]

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, "I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah

Muslim (1:149) - "Abu Dharr reported: I said: Messenger of Allah, which of the deeds is the best? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: Belief in Allah and Jihad in His cause..."

These are evil.

[2ndT0M3h]

Bukhari 8:387 was about the peace treaty broken between the muslims and the mushriks(pagens of mecca) There is surat tawbah which you should read and maybe understand the context of things before saying them. The peace treaty was broken by the mushriks and so the muslims were forced to fight otherwised they would be enialated.

You also left words out of the verses and when i copied and pasted your verses into google a list of anti islamic site pop up. I suggest you use islamic sites as a source

[AlboDibran]

so belief in Allah is evil. I would assume your he typical lesser educated American. Allah is the Arabic word for God. th same god of Abraham Jacob Isac Jesus etc. pretty evil to believe in God? ok..

Secondly Jihad doesn't mean to fight and die. Jihad if you were fluent in the Arab language means struggle. struggle in the cause of belief in a higher life form. struggle to do good, struggle with your own soul.

Educate yourself before you sound like a complete moron

[betrayedcitizen]

". I would assume your he typical lesser educated American"

Wrong, besides being uneducated is the norm for mohammedans, wasnt mohammed unable to read?

". Allah is the Arabic word for God"

wrong, إله = God

الله = allah

"ok"

are you ok?

[whypatcondellisntfun]

@betrayedcitizen

The Islamic proclamation of faith states: "There is no god but God and Muhammad is the Messenger of God". In Arabic it is written thus:

أشهد أن لا إله إلاَّ الله و أشهد أن محمدا رسول الله

The Arabic "إله" does not mean "God", but "god".

This demonstrates that anything other than "God" is not "God". only Allah is God ("الله") , not anything else ("god" or "إله").

[Theangelahorne]

@whypatcondellisntfun

google the phrase ' the religion of peace'

STOP PRETENDING THERE IS NO TERRORISM

[whypatcondellisntfun]

@Theangelahorne I have at no point pretended there is no terrorism. Stop pretending that I'm pretending there is no terrorism.

[betrayedcitizen]

"Secondly Jihad doesn't mean to fight and die"

you are ignorant of islam/ mohamed religion

Educate yourself before you sound like a complete moron,

having said that...do you as a mohamedan masterbate and pray in your semen stained clothes as mohammed did?

[whypatcondellisntfun]

@ betrayedcitizen.

The term "Jihad" is generally understood to have 2 meanings, either an internal "struggle" with one's own self in order to attain spiritual enlightenment, and a physical "struggle" in a time of war.

I invite you to show any quote from the Qur'an which mentions "jihad" as a form of all out war in which you must fight and die for *no other reason than the furtherance of Islam*.

As the Qur'an is the highest source of spiritual authority for Islam, it must be in there, right?

[whypatcondellisntfun]

@AlboDibran, no, betrayedcitizen is not American, he is clearly from Britain as he appears to be a BNP supporter judging from his channel and the website he claims is his.

Do not get wound up by him, he is an extreme nationalist concerned mainly with the colour of skin, that is why he supports the BNP. As a consequence of his ideology he thinks that Islam threatens his way of life in Britain.

Ironically, Christianity also originated from the Middle East, but is not considered a threat.

[ytben26]

Oh yes it does. And you did not respond to this either because 1) you dont know your new religion, or 2) you don't want to admit it

Afghanistan in 2006 arrested a man for converting to christianity, Ayan Hirsi Ali receives daily death threats due to her apostacy, as does well known debater Wafa Sultan, a syrian apostate. So they make it all up huh? Down with democracy, another slogan coined on an islamic protestors sign.

[ExChristian2716]

These actions are not condoned by Islam. However, Ayan Hirsi Ali and Wafa Sultan receive threats because they spread hate. Actuallt Wafa Sultan, which you think is a well known debater, is widely debunked, but you do not see this in MEMRI clips, do you?

[ytben26]

Well I don't see Wafa Sultan as wrong nor do I see Ayan Hirsi as wrong they are both from Muslim countries for a large part of their life and got behind their work for a reason don't you think?

[ytben26]

Exactly how do Wafa Sultan and Ayan Hirsi Ali spread hatred when they are only warning about extremism? So that means it is permissable to threaten them? That is ridiculous they have a right to their opinion don't they? It's easy for your to say living in Canada isn't it? you never grew up in Syria or Somalia did you?

[Unity4allhumans]

They spread lies and ignorance. Thats leads to hate and chaos.

[ytben26]

Theo van Gogh was killed for making a movie about Islamic abuse of women, and Geert Wilders has round the clock police protection because of the serious nature of death threats he gets.

[ytben26]

AT-TAWBA 5

So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them; surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

There that one abrogates "There is no compulsion in religion" and looks pretty evil to me.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

I find it funny that you take this verse out of context and post it here, where we I am pointing out that one shouldn't take the Qur'an out of context. You quote 9:5, but ignore 9:4 and 9:6.

"Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him)." 9:4

[whypatcondellisntfun]

"And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not." 9:6.

In doing this. You have managed to prove my point, and disprove your own. Thank you.

[ExChristian2716]

1. There is no abrogation in the Holy Quran.

2. 9:5 talks about killing that betrayers that broke a war treaty with Muslims during war.

[ytben26]

Look at 2:106 there is abrogation in the Holy Qu'ran.

[ytben26]

because some guy at speaker's corner is not important but theo van gogh made a film about women in islam and how they are abused, a short film, and he was killed and Ayan Hirsi Ali had to go into hiding ... real nice religion there ... its because the culture that veils women like that frequently do beat and rape them (Jordon, honor killings) Pakistan 80% beat their wives ... Quran verses stating you can beat your wife (I have videos even to support this) the Muslim world has no descency.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Oh yes... key word there, 'culture', not 'religion'.

[ytben26]

Well funny how it does not happen in any "cultures" that are not Islamic. Just admit your religion has a great deal of evil in it and then we can talk about other things.

[ExChristian2716]

These things happen too with Christian, Jewish and hindu communities within the Muslim world. It's about culture, not religion.

[ytben26]

What about that Pakistani girl who was killed for not wearing a Hijab, that sounds a lot like religion related to me.

[ExChristian2716]

You just seem incapable to make the difference between Islam and Muslims.

[ytben26]

Well all Muslims are Islamic aren't they?

[natsumeneko]

Thank you so much, it's very wise of you to get people to think more sensibly.

And I like the music too!

[praetorians25]

Who saved the jews in spain?

Who saved churches in jerusalem?

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watch

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watch?v=FkfgrqaIvz8

[whypatcondellisntfun]

User yousif2300 was blocked for rude comments.

[Mujahid1]

When I read the last sentence of the clip asking why is Pflander films still alive, I literally broke out in laughter. :)

May Allah guide us all.

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Thanks. It was meant in jest... but it proves my point :)

[HomeboundPilgrim]

whypatcondellisntfun: Actually, it does not prove your point.

If you have to ask why is PfanderFilms STILL alive, you are as much admitting that he could still be killed. Just because he is STILL alive does not disprove anything. Also, in PfanderFilms' videos that I have watched, he has NEVER made the argument that ALL Moslems are violent, only that a portion of Moslems justify their violence using the Koran (and that they might be right in doing so given what is written in it).

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Hi HomeboundPilgrim. Well, I've not watched all of PfanderFilms videos, I can only judge on what he has said in the one I replied to.

I assume PfanderFilms turns up at Speaker's Corner on a regular basis. If any crazed Muslim was going to assassinate him, why has it not already been done? He admits he goes and argues about Islam. Surely, the place is so high profile, he must have been noticed by a Muslim?

If only a portion of Muslims justify violence, how big is that portion? 1%? 5%? 15%?

[HomeboundPilgrim]

Hi whypatcondellisntfun, thanks for responding.

Your question is a fair one, and I am afraid that I do not have an exact percentage for you.

The latest census reports indicate that there are 2 million Muslims in the U.K. (3.3% of the population); as for a percentage of those that are would be terrorists, I honestly can not say.

[HomeboundPilgrim]

The only answer I'm afraid that I can give you about Islamic terrorists in the UK is: Richard Reid aka Abdul Raheem; Hasib Hussain; Shehzad Tanweer; Jermaine Lindsay; Mohammed Sidique Khan; Dr. Sabeel Ahmed; Kafeel Ahmed, aka Khalid Ahmed & Khaled Ahmad; Dr. Bilal Talal Samad Abdullah, Ahmed Abdullah Ali, aka Ahmed Ali Khan; Arafat Waheed Khan; Waheed Zaman; Ibrahim Savant; Tanvir Hussain; Assad Sarwar; Umar Islam, aka Brian Young; Mohammed Gulzar; etc, etc. etc.

[Ariuvist]

What is true? what is truth and what is wrong? where lies the eye of the beholder? what is the meaning of "the truth lies in the eyes of the beholder"? so when there exist only the truth in our eyes, is there any truth out there that could really reach us? so the truth of what you are must come out of your existence and the nature, nothing more and nothing less? beside why are you not reading the book of god that lies before you, a book that is called nature? all others are fiction, this too!

[BonsaiSky]

I couldn't stop laughing. Masha'Allah!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Have you heard the saying "Many a true word spoken in jest"? It's true though. PfanderFilms is living proof of tolerant Muslims, this I view as a good thing!

[whypatcondellisntfun]

User tarekb1 posted a further comment purporting to be a quote from the Qur'an, but which was nothing of the sort.

I have taken the action of blocking tarekb1 from this channel as I did not get the impression that tarekb1 was about to engage in meaningful dialogue, and was intent on making it seem as if the Qur'an promotes hatred against Jew.

For the record. As a Muslim, I do not hate Jews as a race, or the religion they follow, and I do not believe that Islam asks me to hate Jews either.

[ashurah385]

HAHA your video is so fun to watch with the calming music in the backgrd. and it makes LOTSA SENSE.

[tarekb1]

Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Surely, you mean 2:65? "And ye know of those of you who broke the Sabbath, how We said unto them: Be ye apes, despised and hated!"... Not sure what translation you are reading...

[whypatcondellisntfun]

Why do you take 2:65 out of context and ignore a verse just before it?

Qur'an 2:61 "Those with iman, those who are Jews, and the Christians and Sabeans, all who have iman in Allah and the last day and act rightly, will have their reward with their Lord. They will know no fear and will know no sorrow."