Imperial War Museum ~ World War 1

[kingvill100]

Just there

[Ja14111948]

the russian "steamroller" we finished within a month. the german general hoffmann knew that the 2 russian generals he opposed hated each other; hoffmann's plan was: if he'd attack one of them, the other one won't help. hahahaha that's precisely what happened hahahahahahaha.

[orange252]

yes french bad interaction trianon begin ww2 fail ww1 austro hungaro is begin war lol fail world dont attack hungary or begin ww3

[ollezippe1]

Die Musik im Hintergrund ist "Preussens Gloria"

Deutsch Marschmusik :P

English: The music in the background is "Preussens Gloria"

German marchmusic :P

[Obasiliasfilosofos]

The ww1 1st generation Tanks were really armored tractors , They smashed through enemy lines and were only halted by mechanical failures rather then the enemy..

[waldschrat1991]

you can hear the march "preussens gloria"

[jokey1134]

can somebody help answer a question i have? my world history teacher brought this up that during ww1 the eastern front was somewhat a tank battle i thought to myself that the western powers made the first tank and used it late in the war how did russia have tanks? or is it that my teacher doesnt know alot about history as i have corrected him a few times or did the russians have tanks in ww1?

[BodiZoltan]

Russia had no tanks at all.

[jokey1134]

thank you my teacher isn't exactly the smartest lol

[sagajagan]

The eastern front in WW2 was basically one massive tank battle. Not the Great War though.

[paokara4ever]

Tanks were first introduced by the British during World War I (1916) as a means to break the deadlock of trench warfare. They were first deployed at the Battle of Somme in limited numbers. During construction, to conceal their true identity as weapons, they were designated as water carriers for the Mesopotamian campaign and referred to as "tanks"

[h2jazz5]

the eastern front was quite mobile, which couldn't be said for the western. the construction of tanks was primary designed by the british to breach the quite heavily guarded and inert defense lines, thus hoping to make it a front less static and with more territorial advancements.

the nearest thing the Russians constructed that resembled were most notably the Netopyr' (rus. for Pipistrellus bat) aka Tsar Tank, and the Vezdekhod tank, both incomplete. the research was stop becase of revolutions

[LordClaremorris]

@jokey1134 No, the Russians didn't have any tanks. The Germans barely had tanks. The British had the most tanks, and invented them, in WWI. France also had Renaults, but Russia didn't have any.

[sdkfz162kingtiger]

frence had the most.

russians had only 1 prototype the "Zar" later this one get broken in test and Zar was verschrottet.

and Austrians also had plans. The Burstyn motorgeschütz of 1911 was the really first tank in history, but it only exist on paper. so the tank was an Austrian erfindung.

[vdven]

@sdkfz162kingtiger Russia did have armored cars though

[TheBestTroller]

@jokey1134 Your teacher is stupid. The eastern front in ww1 saw very little if any tank action. However in ww2 on the eastern front there was plenty of tank warfare. If thats what they meant

[davljenik]

Hail Sebia!

[ThaDaxerB]

@davljenik serbija srbine :)

[shqiperiany]

@davljenik eat shit lol

[Verdisyofi]

"The Nationality as we define it today is an invention of 19th century but it always existed,more or less assumed. " It was only valid for the NOBILITY, the law did not give a fuck about peasants. Hungarian, Slovak, Romanian, Serb or Croatian peasants were the very same by the law. If romanian peasants suffered in Transylvania, hungarian peasants suffered too.

[unurautare]

@Verdisyofi bs,1st because romanians are orthodox Christians,I would point out what happened to the bohemian vlahs,habsburgs gave them a choice(after they sent armies to conquer them),choice was execution or swear loyalty to the habsburgs AND convert to the catholic church. Leaving that aside in the case of transilvanian romanians-they were collectively excluded from religious+political life by laws/treaties as Unio trium nationum,even banned from building structures with stone or bricks.

[Verdisyofi]

Unfortunately many of our kings were europid :((( And also they were christian not pagan :(((

Wish we were still merely asiatic with our God of the Sun but we are way too europized by now :(

[Verdisyofi]

Tudom. De ha visszaugatok mint egy agyatlan kutya abból csak bozgorozás lesz. Smircea már egy ideje leszokott arról hogy oltogasson engem mióta látja hogy nem sértődöm meg.

Ha hergeled irkálni kezd mindenhová, ha teszel rá magasról akkor befogja.

[Verdisyofi]

"It means that there were recognized only 3 nations in Transylvania the Hungarians,Szecklers and Saxons while the genuine Romanians were only tolerated.Maybe you see now why we hate them."

Bullshit. Under the Holy Crown, there were no nations or ethnic groups. Only the King, Nobility, Craftsmen, Soldiers and Peasants.

That is the medieval structure. Nationality is a new invention from the XIX. century.

[bronkoghma]

"I just told one"

thats 15. century, late middle ages - there were peasant uprisings ALL OVER EUROPE in late middle ages. nothing speacial about bobalna.

were talking about the times of saxon colonization, not 15.c

"They would love to steal our beautiful lands."

well, they conquered it already - transylvania was a part of hungarian kingdom, nobles were hungarian.

if romanians did live in transylvania in great numbers already in the 11th century, they were serfs.

the land wasnt theirs anymore.

[bronkoghma]

"What arguments do you have you "historian"?"

you have them in my pervious post, read it again.

and you have no arguments that the romanian population was disloyal.

during this discussion i qouted everything you said that i disagreed with. do the same and tell me which part of my previous post is incorrect, instead of repeating yourselves.

[bronkoghma]

"That's what I was talking about.

The Saxons came in 13-14th century so it's not really much earlier."

no, you said saxons ewre brought to "break romanian majority"

no uprisings (not just in hungary but elsewhere as i have shown) of romanian populace against hungarian conquerors proves that the hungarians had no reason to break romanian majority (which, you claim, is the reason the saxons were brought).

again, you have no arguments that the saxons were invited because of romanians

[bronkoghma]

"So what?There is no comparison between those 2 situations." which ones? quote my posts like i do, plz "You should know the Romanians revoltated against the Hungarians see the Bobalna revolt." again 15th century saxon settlers came much earlier where were romanian/orthodox revolts in the time of saxon colonization? there were none where were the revolts of romanized populace in france, iberia and italy against the franks, goths and lombards? there were none nationality didnt matter back then

[bronkoghma]

"Romanians weren't only serfs they were nobles as well."

it was me who mention corvinus' romanian origins

and we are talking about settlers/populace now, not the elite which was very small in numbers

"Hungarian kings recognized as noble only thr catholics. "

thats late middle ages.

wheres the persecution of romanians in 11th century?

so hungarian kings were afraid of romanian majority cause they were orthodox?

polish kings ruled ukrainians for centuries.

where are the uprisings?

[bronkoghma]

yes, to populate lands - not because of romanian majority

WHY would they fear romanian majority?

gaul was much more populated, yet the germans remained dominant

no uprising of romanic populace ever happened

[bronkoghma]

"The Hungarians have had a fucking state too.We did it without a state,just like that.Of course you say so,even if you know it's a lie."

it was an early medieval kingdom, not a modern state for gods sake.

are you saying arpad made up a demographic policy??

population growth is a natural process.

prerequisites are eg. peace and food (land).

not having a medieval kingdom...

visigoths had a kingdom in iberia - no trace of them now. lombards had a kingdom in italy - do italians speak german?

[bronkoghma]

and theres the example of albanians...

[bronkoghma]

"Tell the ethnogenesis of the vlachs how the were formed. "

from romanized populace of the roman empire: moesians, dardanians, thracians, dacians, illyrians, etc.

by dacians i mean those dacians living in roman dacia south of danube

[bronkoghma]

"I meant the Saxons needed lands to live on,it's so hard to understand?"

how could they, common folk, force the hungarian KING to anything???

"But mainly to break the Romanian majority."

why? a serf was a serf.

even if romanians lived there since the preroman times, franks had much more romanic folk. and it didnt threaten their rule.

they were serfs. why would hungarian nobles be scared of their serfs being romanian and not hungarian?

[bronkoghma]

"The Russians have made a military expansion"

i meant the ethnic russian lands, not siberia

ethnic russian lands are huge too

"and Poland was an organized state in 20th century. "

thats why they did it so fast. it took centuries for wlachs to become a majority

ok, another example: the hungarians :)

pannonian plain was pretty depopulated after all those invasions

[bronkoghma]

"No how they appeared where they appeared cuz you can't tell me where did they appeared and lived but you know hoe they migrated "via the Carpathians" lol."

they didnt just appear, no one just appears...

if youre asking where they lived before migrating to romania (and other areas!! as i already said!) i told you:

central balkans, north of Shar mountains, south of the Danube and west of thrace

[bronkoghma]

"I said the Hungarian kings had to give to the Saxons lands to live on"

HAD TO?

why??

and german settlers (not just saxons, flemings too for example) were invited by others too, not just hungarian kings

"Hungarians invited the Saxons to defend the frontier and to break the Romanian block. "

defend the frontier from romanians??

[bronkoghma]

"Tell me an example of a little people who managed to settle and populate a big country like Romania-the 7th country from EU and most important which was state organized.If it would be true we were indeed geniuses."

russians were originally a couple of slavic tribes

if you need shorter time periods compare polish inhabited areas in 1918 and now - the area almost DOUBLED thanks to expulsion of germans after ww2

[bronkoghma]

"Those lands were conquered by the Austrian it's the same shit."

they werent conquered, the habsburgs have beaten another candidate house (zapolya) for the crown. some hungarian nobles supported Habsburg, some supported Zapolya.

"austrians" didnt exist back then.

and why do you have to be vulgar?

[bronkoghma]

"Tell me how the vlachs appeared.I wanna know right now.I mean I know very well I just wanna see what you were told. "

how they appeared in modern day romania?

and i wasnt TOLD anything, i told you croatian history students dont learn romanian ethnogenesis. im personally interested in these processes (not just for romanians).

"Don't be idiot no part of Hungary remained independent Hungarian lands."

i meant independent from ottomans because we ewre talking about ottoman conquest

[bronkoghma]

"You hould know that when the Hungarian kings invited the Saxons they gave them the lands and the forests of the vlachs or Romanians."

why would they do that?

they needed settlers, thats why they invited them.

Matthias Corvinus was himself of romanian descent.

"If you the Croatian migrated it doesn't mean that everybody did the same."

it was the slavic tribe called croatians that migrated to modern day croatia as a part of slavic migrations. theyre not the same as modern croatians.

[bronkoghma]

"How many vlachs lived in Balkans when they started to migrate?"

impossible to tell

for any people, not just vlachs - it was the midlle ages, there was no central government that would make a census

"Why did they migrated exactly in Transylvania?"

they migrated to other places too - towards greece via the mountainous central greece, towards west via the dinaridic mountains - bosnian (not herzegovian) serbs are mostly of wlach origin for example.

[bronkoghma]

"The persons who defend the Hungarians and their lies are indeed Hungarian lover,don't you think so?"

what lies?

"We have taken no foreign lands,we live on our amcestors' lands."

after the wwi you took hugarian majority towns of arad, varad and szatmar. also northern bukovina (ruthenian majority).

and dobrudja and banat were mixed.

referendums should have been held.

[bronkoghma]

"How on Earth have we breeded so much?"

because the land was sparsely populated.

when you have enough land -> food, you prosper and grow

"Finally give me a another example of a people that did what we did."

what? migrate?

a better question would be who didnt migrate.

"Well tell me what part of Hungary remained independent??"

modern day slovakia, western transdanubia and zakarpatia werent conquered by the ottomans/remained independent from them

[bronkoghma]

"What were our reasons to migrate at north of Danube?"

there were many.

what made wlach more mobile than some others was also their way of living, as they were nomadic sheperds.

thats why they migrated via mountains - pasture (but also safety - mountains were even more sparsely populated than flatlands and valley - if your cattle destroyed someones harvest you would be in trouble, no matter what language youre speaking)

[bronkoghma]

"How we crossed the Danube?"

its not that much of an obstacle...nothing impassable..people crossed it all the time

"Why nobody tried to stop us?"

i told you:

"they didnt infiltrate - they werent an army, they were normal people.

settlers were welcome, nobles even invited them.

you were always welcome to become someones serf :)"

remember the saxons - they were invited too settle the land too

[bronkoghma]

if you were asking about wlachs, they lived in central balkans.

from where exactly it isnt known.

what is known it must have been from withn the borders of the roman empire, meaning south of danube, and not too south cause otherwise you language would be infuenced by greek, not latin - meaning from somewhere north of Shar mountain range (border between macedonia and south serbia)

[bronkoghma]

"OK it has happened over centuries but there must be some records cuz it was anyway a large migration."

there are many records of wlach migrations.

not just in romania, but in western balkans too

"And from where did we came?"

as i said, romanians are a mixture of peoples, like ALL nations. you're not just wlachs, youre only mostly wlachs.

like with croatians - we got our name from a slavic tribe, but we didnt "come" here in the 7th century, modern croats are also of pre-slavic origin.

cont.

[bronkoghma]

"In fact they are just a bunch of invaders and land thives nothing more. "

same can be said about almost everyone

romanians also fought/took for lands/areas that werent inhabited by romanians

[bronkoghma]

"Let him alone he thinks the Hungarians were angels and everybody backstabbed them."

well you also seem to think everyone is hungarian lover :D

"he never talk about the Pashalac of Buda.Can tell someone tell me about some Pashalc of Bucharest??"

well, hungary was only partly conquered, it didnt just become ottoman vassal.

hence the pashaluk.

the same way he could say "at least we hungarians werent completely conquered"

In fact they are just a bunch of invaders and land thives nothing more.

[bronkoghma]

"But Hungary was turned into a pashalac so why we would move there?"

not whole hungary

"Also you should know the Romanian principalities were founded by Romanians from Transylvania who fleed after the Hungarian conquest."

hungarians conquered translyvania much earlier than the time of foundation of moldavia and wallachia.

"That's why the first capital city of Wallachia was in mountains "

dont you see signs of wallachian migration via the carpathians here?

[bronkoghma]

"Can you give me any record of this mass migration?"

it was no mass migration, it happened over centuries

"Anyway it ISN'T a theory is the plain truth."

its called the dacian theory of origin...

all theories of origin are theories...

[bronkoghma]

"How could a little bunch of "shepperds" infiltrate"

wlachs mostly migrated via mountain seeking pasture.

they didnt infiltrate - they werent an army, they were normal people.

settlers were welcome, nobles even invited them.

you were always welcome to become someones serf :)

"and become a majority in hostile foreign lands?"

the area was sparsely populated.

carpathians are mountainous and very forested and in wallachia and moldavia you had numerous migrations (and swamps)

[Verdisyofi]

Hungary was the mother-in-law for many nations when Ottomans were on their conquest.

There was no nationalism at that time, all they wanted is to be Hungarus (hungarian), so their children will be in safety even when their own country (e.g. serbia) will fall.

When Hungary was the protector, of course everybody liked us. But when we stopped ottomans at the cost of 4,5 million hungarian casualty, they just put a knife in our back just in favor...

[bronkoghma]

"But when we stopped ottomans at the cost of 4,5 million hungarian casualty, they just put a knife in our back just in favor... "

well you didnt really stop them :D

main battles were between the ottomans and the imperial army (and the poles)

but the most important reason was the decadence of ottoman empire

[Verdisyofi]

Of course there are about yours, too.

And it was not a mass migration, it lasted for about 200 years, plus natural birth.

But, to say something personal not just books:

I have a distant relative who is a proud romanian, he is 87 years old, and his great-grandfather migrated from somewhere near the black sea with his family, siblings, and their family, all the livestock and everything they could move, they passed through the Carpathians and settled down finally in Marosvásárhely.

[Verdisyofi]

This story is true for many of your ancestors.

The reason why they migrated is mainly SAFETY.

Ottomans were close, they could reach your lands pretty soon, so many romanians fearing from mass slaughter or islamic assimilation, seeked safety in Hungary, which had an army of 85.000 soldiers so was strong enough to withstand Ottoman powers.

When Ottomans reached the southern border of Hungary, enormous numbers of romanian/serbian refugees arrived in Hungary.

[bronkoghma]

"A 22 millions nation can't appear just like that."

no one says so.

wlachs migrated to romania in the middle ages, hungarians, cumans, pechenegs and bulgarians a bit earlier, slavs and avars even before, than you have gepids, visigoths, huns, and all sorts of people in roman times, DACIANS before that, and many nameless people in prehistory

"Also you should know that we always considered ourself Dacians.."

200 y ago before the age of nationalism, people simply didnt bother

[bronkoghma]

"Nobody say you aren't Slavs or the Hungarians aren't Magyars."

croatians are slavs because we SPEAK slavic.

its a LINGUISTIC, not ETHNIC category.

croatians are of mixed origin (slavic tribes, illyrians, "latins",...)

hungarians are mixed too.

they look more central european than turkish, just look at them...

"Anyway there is no other explanation for the existence of the Romanian people."

roesler theory is more plausible

[bronkoghma]

"It's a fact more than enough proved and after all it's just common sense. "

its not proved, if it was proved it wouldnt be a THEORY.

its common sense? :/

this would make croatians illyrians, but were only partly of illyrian origin

[Verdisyofi]

And of course szeklers are not Hungarians, they are only speaking Hungarian. Anyway, the real justice would be to give Transylvania autonomy, but romanian nationalism does not want that. It would be just too generous.

Transylvania is one of the most beautiful places on Earth, and still, they don't even care about tourist attractions, they are almost unreachable because of road conditions, lack of infrastructure, etc...

[Verdisyofi]

Saxons note that during and after the Ottoman rule, new people are infiltrating into Transylvania, the hungarians name them Olah (vlach), they are moving into the empty towns, farms and houses but many of them are still herding.

That was in the XVI. century, and when it came to the early XIX. century, a governor also noted that "Vlachs are no longer a minority, from this day, they are the majority."

[Verdisyofi]

I also believe that romanians are the majority in Transylvania. But documents show that after the Ottoman era, the hungarian flatlands were completely empty, demolished villages, cities, ghost towns and swamps.

Szeklers from transylvania migrated to the flatlands near the danube river to re-irrigate it, and to gain a better life.

So they migrated from the mountains to the flatlands, so their transylvanian homes became empty, and ghost towns spread across transylvania.

[bronkoghma]

"I also believe that romanians are the majority in Transylvania. But documents show that after the Ottoman era..."

dont get into that

its true but its like talking about dacians

the situation after ww1 is the only thing that matters

"the real justice would be to give Transylvania autonomy, but romanian nationalism does not want that."

now that both hungary nad romania are in the eu, it harldy matters

and hungarians/szeklers have unprpportioned influence on romanian politics.

[bronkoghma]

"so I guess you learned something about us."

yes we did, about the principalities of wallachia and moldavia and onward.

before that we learned about wlachs, cumans, pechenegs, goths, gepids...

[bronkoghma]

"That comment was for Verdisyofi not for you. "

...

you referred to me: "so you can fool that Croatian but not me. "

"By the way I guess you learned that I Europe live 3 main kind of people:the Latins,Germanic people and Slavs."

those are linguistic theories.

you learn that in detail if you sutdy linguistics, not history.

there are no "kinds of people"

thats a racist remark

all nations have mixed origin

[bronkoghma]

"Anyway you are just another natinalistic Hungarian even if you wanna look objectiv. "

from someone neutral, he IS a bit more objective - he agrees that weird hingarian theory is ..weird...

while you refuse to say the same about the dacian theory

romanian live in romania today (transylvania, banat, crisana, maramures, wallachia, etc), thats all you need to claim the territoy

no need for made up theories :/

[bronkoghma]

"Lol Transylvania is heavily populated by Hungarians?I live here so you can fool that Croatian but not me. "

dont put words in my mouth, i never mentioned transylvania, i just said the dacian theory is made up, transylvania is romanian

im neither prohungarian nor proromanian

why would i be anything of those two?

[Verdisyofi]

But romanians generally believe this fake theory because they feel glorious if they believe they are dacians (although ancient dacians were never glorious...).

However, many hungarians have weird theories about Hungarian origin, some say hungarians migrated from the Carpathian Basin to the East, then came back thousands of years later.

It's indeed an irritating debate based on two fake theories: "who was always here".

The answer is: none of us...

[Verdisyofi]

The main source of the hungarian-romanian arguing is the "we were always here" theory.

It is well documented by hungarian, byzantian and transylvanian saxon records, that Vlachsmigrated from today's Albania to the Black Sea, and later infiltrated slowly to Transylvania. We also know, who, and when invented the new Daco-Roman theory, it is a new theory based on nothing, invented by not even historians but nationalist politicians in the XIX.century.

[bronkoghma]

"The main source of the hungarian-romanian arguing...invented by not even historians but nationalist politicians in the XIX.century."

yes, which is completely unnecessary

the 1910 (?) census justifies trianon (except arad, varad and szatmar)

"But romanians generally believe this ...

The answer is: none of us... "

completely agree

same way, some croats claim theyre iranian (via sarmatians), to prove theyre not yugoslavs :)

[bronkoghma]

"And you're an ignorant like your professors"

ok, i give up, ill obviously never bring you to your senses because you dont have any...

"...ignorant like your professors"

hahaha

[Verdisyofi]

if you try to see things from above, a rumaniac will consider you to be "nazi, hungarian lover, ignorant, uneducated" etc.

this is how things go in romania... no professional discussion, just bragging one other

[bronkoghma]

"if you try to see things from above, a rumaniac will consider you to be "nazi, hungarian lover, ignorant, uneducated" etc."

actually, im surprised how every time i get into a debate with romanian im always called hungarian lover.

why do they think croatians are "hungarian-lovers"?

hungary is a neighbour that is by far the least in minds of croatians - eg you get news about our other neighbours every day, hungary could just as well be in scandinavia instead on the other side of drava.

[Verdisyofi]

If you are not hungarian hater, then you are hungarian lover. Primitive logic but commonly used by surrounding nationalists.

[bronkoghma]

what about hungarians?

how common is irredentism?

is it mostly directed at romania or at all "trianon-partitionist" equally?

[Verdisyofi]

Mainly directed at romanians, slovakians, and serbians.

We get on well with ukrainians, slovenians and austrians, although they also got some of our territories.

However, the land which the romanians got for nothing, is larger than Hungary itself now. And still heavily populated by Hungarians.

And well, the Trianon Pact is still missing some signatures, e.g. from USA, because the US President did not want to sign such an injustice.

So the pact is still barely legal.

[bronkoghma]

"We get on well with ukrainians, slovenians and austrians, although they also got some of our territories."

croatians too :)

"However, the land which the romanians got for nothing, is larger than Hungary itself now. And still heavily populated by Hungarians."

but except for the cities of varad, arad and szatmar it was populated by romanians.

and the szeklers arent connected to hungarian inhabitated territory.

it was in line with the principle of self determination and you lost the war.

[bronkoghma]

"We know ..."

schizo?

"Croatian like the Hungarians and the Austro-Hungarian Empire so don't try to be a smartass."

oh yeah, the college staff has nothing other to do than promote greater hungarian nationalism....

talk about imagined self importance...

there was NO mention at ALL of any theory about romanian origins in ANY of my classes. it has absolutely no importance.

i asked about it when talking about migrations of the goths.

[bronkoghma]

"Why on Earth do you think I care what your professors found plausible?"

if you had ANY common sense, you would

why would croatian university professors take hungarian side?

oh, its because of some worldwide anti-romanian conspiracy, right? :D

"justify the occupation of Transylvania."

occupation?

transylvania was under hungarian rule since their arrival in pannonia, its called CONQUEST, not occupation.

they would have to justify it had they only recently conquered it.

[bronkoghma]

"It's the fucking plain truth so stop embarassing yourself.Why on Earth don't you doubt the Gaulo-roman or the Celtibero-roman continuity you "historian"?Wait you prefer to believe the Roesler theory,maybe because it touched your soul.Gimme a break,you're just another brainwashed Hungarian."

i talked about the dacian theory of origin with my college professors (Zagreb University) and not ONE of them found it plausible.

they find the roesler theory by far the most plausible.

[Verdisyofi]

I have nothing to do with Transylvania, it is only you who is always talking about it.

[Verdisyofi]

Nobody washed my brain because i don't follow anyone's theory on Earth.

However, i also deny gaulo-french continuity, and etruscean-roman continuity, as well as nicaraguan-mayan continuity, or syrian-assyrian continuity.

Everybody is going crazy and think people never migrate just stay in their fucken place forever?? No, nobody lives in the same place for 3-4000 years, of course not! Everybody is fucken migrating!

[Verdisyofi]

You can also try to make research on the beginning of nationalism in the XVIII. century in Western and Eastern Europe.

Also try to research romantic nationalist theories like illyrian-croatian continuity, daco-roman continuity, great moravian-slovak continuity, hungarian-sumerian continuity, and all these romantic nationalist ideologist theories from the XVIII. century.

Every country had their own illusions of origin that time.

[bronkoghma]

"romantic nationalist theories like illyrian-croatian continuity, ...

Every country had their own illusions of origin that time"

actually, it wasnt a nationalistic propaganda, croatians didnt claim theyre not slavs but instead descendants of the illyrians - back then it was thought illyrians WERE slavs :)

[Verdisyofi]

I have no intention to lie, that is only what they teach at the University of Mannheim.

Why should i lie, i don't care about romanian history, i just said i will never believe daco-roman continuity because i was taught at university: who and when invented daco-roman theory and it was invented in the XVIII. century.

They know the names, dates and the reasons why those people invented it. So easy.

See history of the Habsburg Empire and its ethnic minorities.

[Verdisyofi]

I do not care much about Transylvania as it was never populated by hungarians, it was hun territory, inhabited by szeklers.

I just love history and romanian history is in some parts contradictory to the rest of the world.. daco-roman theory vs. all the records of the area...

Byzantian records are lies? Saxon records are lies? Holy Roman records are lies?

Why did everybody lie? Did they care too much about Romania (which did not even exist that time)?

Everybody is lying??

[Verdisyofi]

It was no lie no offence i just wrote what others wrote about Romania at that time. These are written facts, written in that era, not later, not when nationalism changed the world. Earlier. Recorded when it happened. Without any lie.

I don't care whether you are descendants of anybody but things look like that you were migratory and you can not show up anything against this ideology.

[Verdisyofi]

i think romanians are okay without being dacians... dacians were not glorious or anything i think it is better to be simply just romanian

[Verdisyofi]

I admit we were wandering steppe tribes coming from an area of today's Kyrgyzstan or Uyghuria, and were no different than any turkic tribe, we were simply magyar turks, later we took serious part in the Hun empire, then became the leading tribe of the Khazar empire, but have been prosecuted because of a rebellion against the Khazar Khagan, so magyars had to escape to the west, and finally got some rest in the Carpathian Basin.

I dont try to make history fake.

[Verdisyofi]

The Habsburg Empire also has records who invented daco-roman theory in the late XVII. century: Micu Klein, Gheorge Sincai and Petru Maior.

Reason: this theory:

1. unites vlachs in the same ideology (transylvanian, moldavian and other romans were heterogen proto-nations before)

2. makes a good ideological basis to convince the Habsburg Emperor to let Transylvania be governed by romanians

3. that was the first time for vlachs in history to outnumber hungarian population in Transylvania.

[Verdisyofi]

I am not the kind who compares one's history to anothers'. Moreover, i dont want to assimilate any history to another. I don't think hungarians were sumerians, or living always in the carpathian basin and such.

But, according to the numerous historical records about romanian migration (noted by byzantion, bulgaria, transylvanian saxons, hungarian nobility, hungarian record from cuman sources, and the holy roman empire).

There is too much record of migration to deny.

[Verdisyofi]

But, let us say daco-roman theory is real. I don't know much about it, so i won't say it is a lie.

Okay, daco-romans were living in transylvania from the beginning. But hungarian kings invited saxons (in fact they were returning german crusaders) to inhabit Transylvania, to be the nobility (and military defense) of the area. Saxons documented well that only szeklers inhabit the area, and a very little minority (5 % )from the black sea (romanians?)

That was in the 1300s.

[Verdisyofi]

I think you arrived to Transylvania around 600-700 AD.

The reason, why i think Daco-roman continuity can not be real, is because Dacians were completely demolished and massacred by early bulgar, hun and later ostrogoth tribes.

Around 400 AD, Dacians completely disappeared, and never came back.

[Verdisyofi]

Romanian presence was very little at that times, both of us were newcomers, in the Hun age (around 300-600 AD) it was inhabited by hunnic szeklers and avars.

Byzantian chronicles document well, that proto-romanians were living in the area which is called now Macedonia, South Serbia and Montenegro, slowly migrating to the Northeast, in the direction of the present Bucharest, and some of them choose to migrate to Transylvania.

Hungarians were in the Khazar empire, Asia at that time.

[Verdisyofi]

Of course it was multicultural, as mongols in 1241-42 and later the ottomans killed about 70% of hungarian population! The kings invited cumans, pechenegs, alans, vlachs, serbians, slovaks, slovenians, croatians, germans, italians, french and jews to inhabit hungary, to regrow the population.

[Verdisyofi]

Hungary is about 60% cuman to this day!

[Verdisyofi]

Your view is a nationalist's view. You should know that in the medieval ages there was no nationalism, the "nation" ideology comes from the 18th century from france. Therefore, countries were more multicultural than ever, the kings did not care what language do the peasants or craftsmen speak, etc. All they wanted is workpower and military power. Nobody cared about what nation did the people come from. There were no nations just kingdoms.

[Verdisyofi]

According to that era's law: "Hungarian is an individual who was born in the territory of the Hungarian Kingdom, no matter its ethnicity or language."

Moreover, Matthias could not be Romanian by any means, as there was no romania, as his father was half-vlach, so Matthias himself was 1/4 vlach at best.

And of course, he never said anything about being vlach, he did not say "i am a great romanian king"... what's more, being the King of Hungary means you are Hungarian King.

[Verdisyofi]

You all know what happened later.

It is possible that hungarians were living in a few numbers in the carpathian basin before (Attila's magyar "tümeny" army) but real magyars were at the Caspian Sea only at that time.

Hungary is the very last steppe nation with their steppe language which survived 1000 years more than any other, and became one of the most important countries of the medieval age.

[Verdisyofi]

However, kabars and onugurs joined the magyars and signed a blood pact by 7 tribes (which later became the 7 tribes who conquered the carpathian basin). The Khazars wanted to kill all the magyars because their betrayal, and sent pechenegs to slaughter everyone who is magyar.

Pechenegs (3x bigger army than the magyar union) pursuited the magyars, so magyars escaped into the Carpathian basin, where they found bulgar türks, avar türks and eskil huns (szeklers).

[Verdisyofi]

After the fall of the Hun empire, the Khazars became the superpower of the steppes, and magyars were the most respectful tribe in the Empire. The magyars started to grow in numbers and in military power. They raided the Kiev-Russian principalities and grew in wealth too.

Later, there was a kabar türk rebellion against the Khazar Empire, and magyars joined the rebellers.

Magyars were banished from the Khazar Empire.

[Verdisyofi]

When huns broke into Europe and demolished it, all the türk tribes (including magyars) had to give at least one "tümeny" of horsemen ( = 10.000 horsemen) to Attila, so we did. When Attila helped the Romans against Ostrogoths (political trick), the Romans gave Pannonia to the Huns in favor. Meanwhile, a new empire started to born in the heart of the huns: the Khazar Empire (but yet it was too weak).

[Verdisyofi]

During the Hunnic age, the area which is now Tibet and Mongolia, started to dry and became a desert. Huns, türks (and magyars but they we were no different than türks so türk=magyar) had to migrate to the west, because there was no food and water for horses and livestock. Magyars' next homeland was the northern edge of the Caspian Sea, so magyar türks together with onugur türks, kabar türks and other türks, lived together.

[Verdisyofi]

Let me tell you what is my true hungarian history. Even hungarians dont want to believe me but i think it is true.

Hungary was never a country in ancient times. They were only some tribes wandering together on the steppes, originating from Shambala Empire (4000 BC), where all türks and chinese, koreans japanese, mongols etc. come from.

Later, they became a very little part (about 30.000 people) of the Eastern Hun empire.

[Verdisyofi]

Oh, Matthias had some vlach blood? Who cares? The Irish king married a hungarian woman and their son was half-hungarian half-irish... but we dont say that irish king was hungarian!!!

It was normal at that time for kings to marry politically, to strengthen the good contact with other civilizations.

All the kings were half foreigners.

[Verdisyofi]

About 3 million.

However, the most harmful attack on the hungarians was in 1241-42, when Batu Khan's mongols wanted an alliance with their "cousins" the magyars, and hungarians refused to do so.

Mongols killed 71% of the magyar population!!! Even children and women!!

So Béla the IV, invited cumans and pechenegs to re-populate Hungary.

(The 7,48 million Hungarians in the era of Matthias Corvin, were 55% cuman and 20% pecheneg, both hungarized)

[Verdisyofi]

yeah but you know why?

Because in the century of King Matthias Corvin, there were 7,48 million hungarians living in the kingdom (62%).

After the Ottoman wars, there were 2,67 million hungarians (30%) living in the Kingdom!! The rest fell on the battlefield or had been killed by pestilence!

The king had to regrow the population so invited slavs, saxons, vlachs, greeks etc. into the Kingdom.

[roflemoa]

What happened with the netherlands in WW1 And 2 ?

[Verdisyofi]

Austro-Hungarian Empire was sooooooo glorious... the Empire of Wealth and Culture

[RidgeForrester]

You are right my friend.DEATH TO TRIANON!!!

[infobreaker]

rather treacherous empire of evil

[RidgeForrester]

Hahaha jealous polish loser.

[infobreaker]

hahaha my great-grandfather was in austro hungarian army. so actually i am jealous austro-hungarian loser bdw :P

[Kapiwolf123]

now now now..why Polish? huh? u faggot.

[HoPoland]

Nice, 5/5

[cumbas]

voilà maintenant qu'un fanatique russe ose me traiter de mauvais citoyen français !!! lol

Ils n'ont vraiment aucune limites ces gugus

shup guy you are uncultivated and so much especially much fanatic and i hate that

so like here all is just virtual and i don't fight you for you offending words, forget me, I already forgot you poor guy

[cumbas]

loooooool

no i know and i speak aonly about true history and you just your bad fanatic russian propaganda

it's more different ^^

[Vottaksuka]

You never heard of the Russian legion in france? They were honoured and awarded as heroes...if it is bad propaganda you tell me with what "bad" equipment Russian imperial units were fighting?

If you don't know what ur talking about just stay out of it?

Vous êtes un mauvais citoyen français, alors! Vous ne connaissez pas votre histoire..

[Nirvanic69]

my grandfather fought too in the austro-hungarian army =) he was a brave man but that wasnt enough to win the war =(

[cumbas]

it's not the question young men...

All ways, all European countries same the winners (France, England, Italy, etc.) lost in this idiot and tragedy WW1 :-(

The only winner cose after he become the most rich country in the world and one of the country who lost less soldiers and sacrifices (looks my video in commentary here) is USA...

SHIT WW1 where our Big and beautiful Europe lost this world leadership !!! :-(

[Vottaksuka]

What about Russian Empire, almost everyone forgets about their efforts they contributed 'alone' on the eastern front.

[cumbas]

The Russian army was numerous but badly involved and badly equipped especially

But it's the truth with the front in the east (less important in spite than the front in the west) until with its capitulation in 1917 (with the Bolshevik revolution in Russia), it allowed the western armies to have an enemy force less important opposite them :-)

if you want see that, looks my video about WW1 here in one of my playlists

/watch?v=FyMRKzWpkZ4

[Vottaksuka]

The truth is that the Russian Imperial army even had better equipment than the Germans themselfes.

Russia fought alone on eastern front, you would had lost without them. Brusilov offensive was a great victory capturing 200 000 men.

Problem was indeed revolution as in many European countries.

[cumbas]

What ?? lol

poor idiot fanatic

Guy learn the true history and not your propaganda (you are like the roastbeef in England in Russia now lol)

don't go here for your false propaganda...

Russian army in WW1 better equipments that German army or West countries ??

lool

In yours dreams guy, in your best dreams of fanatic ^^

learn to be objectif when you spoke about History even if is difficult for fanatic it's sure...

I stop discussion whith you cose i hate fanatic and not objectif history !!

[Vottaksuka]

The arms and armaments of the Russian Army were some of the best in Europe. The excellent 1891 Mosin nagant rifle is still carried by many eastern European armies today as is the maxim heavy machinegun.

[Vottaksuka]

The 76.2mm light field gun was well respected and considered by many to be one of the best light cannon of the modern era. Russian munitions scientists such as AF Federov, father of the assault rifle, and artillery expert Mikhail Pomortsev were designing the weapons that would win the Second World War.

[Vottaksuka]

The RI Army actually had the highest ratio of machine guns to troops of any major power, 2.2 pieces per thousand men, at a time when the next best ratio was the Germany Armys 1.3.

[Vottaksuka]

Two infantry Brigades, the 1st and the 3rd, were sent to France in 1916 by Tsar Nicholas II both as a morale booster to the Allies on the Western Front.

Ever heard of The Russian legion of honor on the western front. They had captured 30 000 germans.

Maybe you should stop thinking ignorant and experiencing some 'wider' knowledge of history, sonny.

[Wehategod]

Thats so kool where is the Museum? I had family that fought in the Austro-Hungarian army.

[DrWillyWildcat]

It's in Kansas City, Missouri not far from Union Station.

[luffz101]

kool

[rockfrk]

kool