@RavnDream no,for all the Greeks was dishonorale! but this film is bad for all the things:it is not realistic for the armours and the way to fight of the Greeks and it doesn't respect the "Iliade".
@Andreiotatos They got the weapons and armor and ships right. If we're talking about Bronze Age / Mycenaean Greece. As for the rest, well, I've seen worse from Italian pepla. A lot worse.
@Andreiotatos 1.Your muscles develop when you train with the same equipment on a day-to-day basis. Just so happens in those days, armor was made of bronze which is a lot heavier than kevlar. Makes sense they'd be able to carry that while fighting.
2.It's the Bronze Age, not modern or even medieval warfare.
3.The phalanx was developed AFTER the Bronze Age. The Iliad is much too early for that.
@RavnDream You say that it is bronze age,so they can't use the phalanx,so you can explain me why Achille use an helmet very similar to the corinthian helmet,that was invented a lot of years later,like his armour.
The jump that Achille do in the film are IMPOSSIBLE whit an armour,and i rember you that armour are heavy armors,and it's very tiring fight with an heay armour,so the duels in this film are impossible,fantasy.
@Andreiotatos Achilles is a demigod, the son of Thetis the sea-nymph. Like Heracles, son of Zeus. He's probably a bit stronger and more agile than most mortals. Also, the movie is based on the Iliad. Homer refers to "high-crested" helmets, among other things. So either there were such helmets and armor in those times, or Homer liked to mix and match elements of both the Bronze Age and Classical. Like the Christian elements in Beowulf, a Norse legend.
@RavnDream Oh,you did well to appoint Teti:the central part of Iliade are Achille and the Greeks Gods:were are them in the film? And you did well to appoint Omero (Homer):Omero doesn't talk about the jumps of Achille but in the film he use always the jumps. Iliade is very very very different from the film,the film has nothing if Iliade:Menelao didn't die;the duel Ector vs Achille didn't go in that way;Boagrius not exist in the Iliade;the Greeks didn't use hammer (Ajax).
@Andreiotatos Directors do that. I'd ask the same of all those directors who did pepla back in the day. I do agree, Troy is very different from the source material. I'm just saying, first, the props seem alright. Second, it's nowhere near as bad or poorly executed as in the old sword-and-sandal movies (like pepla) from before (except maybe the original 'Clash of the Titans' - but that's American..). There's no perfect movie, after all =)
@RavnDream where is Sinone? Where is Laocoonte? Do you know who are them?Do yuo know the Troians had to destroied a part of the wall for bring he horse into the city? This AMERICAN film is an insult of the Greek literature,and i study greek and greek literature at school so i know the Greeks. Now we can stop the discusson becaue if you read the Iliade and if you know the ancient Greeks and their literatur,you can say this film is shit.
@Andreiotatos Again, blame the director. Some directors like to "throw in their junk" when they adapt stories into a movie. Change things for their own style. I can't say WHY they did that. But here's the result. Also, Troy isn't exactly an American film. The director is German.
@RavnDream who cares if the film is american or german? It could be greek but it remains a bullshit. And what enters the italians pepla? Now we are talking about "Troy" and i repeat that this film has nothing of Iliade:this is the speech,and the only conclusion if a person know "Iliade" is that this film has NOTHING of "Iliade".
@Andreiotatos Wrong, sir. It has the characters (some) of the Iliad: Achilles, Hector, Agamemnon, Menelaus, Paris, Odysseus, Ajax, etc. It takes place at Troy, which is the setting of the Iliad. It's about a war between Troy and the Greeks. Over Helen, Queen of Sparta.
Yes, Troy is a terrible adaptation. I agree with you there, don't you get that? But I'm also saying, this is NOT the worst. I've seen less accurate, more insulting adaptations. You, sir, are being unfair.
@RavnDream The name of the characters,the place where the film is setting,and the plot mean nothing,because Troy is totally dfferent from Iliade. If there is a film who say Hitler won the war because the director is a nazi,the film could be setting in Germany and the protagnist coul has te name Adolf Hitler,but it remanis a bullshit:it is very similar to Troy. But if you think like me Troy is a terrible adaptation,why we are having this discussion?
@Andreiotatos Because I like to talk with people who like Greek culture. But I think I'm having second thoughts on that. For an educated person, you talk like a street punk. And whereas I've tried to be polite with you, you've been exceedingly rude.
As for "who cares if it's American or German", well, YOU called this movie "AMERICAN" in all caps. Are you trying to insult me, sir? If so, you, sir, are an asshole.
@RavnDream I think you are really annoyed because I say this film is shit and I'm right. Go to sleep. I don't think that I insulted you but now you have insulted me. The discussion about the film is finish:I've right. So bye bye.
@Andreiotatos Oh and "Italian pepla", those are movies like Troy or Gladiator. Only made in Italy during the 50s and 60s. Like 'Hercules' starring Steve Reeves and 'Maciste'. Terrible acting, terrible stories, terrible characters, totally inaccurate to the mythology and culture of Greece and Rome. But fucking hilarious.
in Troy, whenever i watch that film, me, my sis, and my mom always complain about how the actress who played Helena looks like a pancake. The real life one was way prettier. and although Paris is played by Orlando Bloom, the character is a real fruit.
@MilesEdgeworth129 because he is seeing how much of a wimp paris is he issues a challange and then runs away i am sorry if i was hector the moment i would have found out that his bitch ass brought that bitch on my boat i would have tossed them both off of it
@EyeLoveTheStars definitely patroclus :D i mean (in the film) he fought against hector for at least ... 15 seconds? and he was teached by achilles. hellooooo??! :D
As backup here is a reference from the text (Trans. Fitzgerald)
As proof here is a citation from the text
"Can you be the man who carried off a beautiful woman from a distant land and warlike family, to be a curse to your father, to the city, and to the whole people? Are you too cowardly to stand up to the brave man whom you wronged? You would soon find out the kind of fighter he is whose lovely wife you stole." Hom Iliad 3.45
Where do you get that from? In the Iliad Hector often reprimands Paris for his unseemly womanishness. Paris is not shown to be a front line hero, but as a rather cowardly figure
aggamemnon cracks me up with that laugh. it's even better than phoenix in the gladiator doing his woo woo woo
Quartzzzz 5 days ago
HD and recorded at 10 fps apparently. Still, thanks for posting this.
MrGracchio 5 days ago
madeye menelaus
JohnTheRock98 6 days ago
gotta love aggamemnon's reactions
TimHthefullclip777 1 week ago
Gimli would enjoy watching what happened to the legendary Legolas...
AlKawthar14 1 week ago
what a disgrace his mouth is bigger than his sword.....stupid fool
LordAzanko 1 week ago
This is so awkward.
RethinkStupid 2 weeks ago
orlando bloom is such a fuckin pussy
zcarver25 2 weeks ago
@zcarver25 no I dont like him but this doesnt make him a pussy. he was acting
twandfootyxx 1 week ago
If a greek left his shield during a fight it was a dishonorable action...this film is shit.
Andreiotatos 3 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos Depends which Greeks you're talking about.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream no,for all the Greeks was dishonorale! but this film is bad for all the things:it is not realistic for the armours and the way to fight of the Greeks and it doesn't respect the "Iliade".
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos They got the weapons and armor and ships right. If we're talking about Bronze Age / Mycenaean Greece. As for the rest, well, I've seen worse from Italian pepla. A lot worse.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream i don't understand "italian pepla":what means?
howevere,this film is horible for A LOT of things:
1.In your opinion a warrior whit a heavy armor can jump(achille)?
2.The army of Agamennone,the first thing they did,was built a fortified camp not near Troia:in the film the fist thing they do is attack the city.
3.The Greeks fighting deployed in the "falange" (phalanx) but in the film they fight like in the film "Braveheart".
4.In the duel of Achille vs Ettore,they are like dancers.
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos 1.Your muscles develop when you train with the same equipment on a day-to-day basis. Just so happens in those days, armor was made of bronze which is a lot heavier than kevlar. Makes sense they'd be able to carry that while fighting.
2.It's the Bronze Age, not modern or even medieval warfare.
3.The phalanx was developed AFTER the Bronze Age. The Iliad is much too early for that.
4.Who the hell is Ettore??
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream You say that it is bronze age,so they can't use the phalanx,so you can explain me why Achille use an helmet very similar to the corinthian helmet,that was invented a lot of years later,like his armour.
The jump that Achille do in the film are IMPOSSIBLE whit an armour,and i rember you that armour are heavy armors,and it's very tiring fight with an heay armour,so the duels in this film are impossible,fantasy.
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos Achilles is a demigod, the son of Thetis the sea-nymph. Like Heracles, son of Zeus. He's probably a bit stronger and more agile than most mortals. Also, the movie is based on the Iliad. Homer refers to "high-crested" helmets, among other things. So either there were such helmets and armor in those times, or Homer liked to mix and match elements of both the Bronze Age and Classical. Like the Christian elements in Beowulf, a Norse legend.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream Oh,you did well to appoint Teti:the central part of Iliade are Achille and the Greeks Gods:were are them in the film? And you did well to appoint Omero (Homer):Omero doesn't talk about the jumps of Achille but in the film he use always the jumps. Iliade is very very very different from the film,the film has nothing if Iliade:Menelao didn't die;the duel Ector vs Achille didn't go in that way;Boagrius not exist in the Iliade;the Greeks didn't use hammer (Ajax).
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos Directors do that. I'd ask the same of all those directors who did pepla back in the day. I do agree, Troy is very different from the source material. I'm just saying, first, the props seem alright. Second, it's nowhere near as bad or poorly executed as in the old sword-and-sandal movies (like pepla) from before (except maybe the original 'Clash of the Titans' - but that's American..). There's no perfect movie, after all =)
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream where is Sinone? Where is Laocoonte? Do you know who are them?Do yuo know the Troians had to destroied a part of the wall for bring he horse into the city? This AMERICAN film is an insult of the Greek literature,and i study greek and greek literature at school so i know the Greeks. Now we can stop the discusson becaue if you read the Iliade and if you know the ancient Greeks and their literatur,you can say this film is shit.
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos Again, blame the director. Some directors like to "throw in their junk" when they adapt stories into a movie. Change things for their own style. I can't say WHY they did that. But here's the result. Also, Troy isn't exactly an American film. The director is German.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos The director (Wolfgang Petersen) is German, the cinematographer (Roger Pratt) is British. So, yeah.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream who cares if the film is american or german? It could be greek but it remains a bullshit. And what enters the italians pepla? Now we are talking about "Troy" and i repeat that this film has nothing of Iliade:this is the speech,and the only conclusion if a person know "Iliade" is that this film has NOTHING of "Iliade".
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos Wrong, sir. It has the characters (some) of the Iliad: Achilles, Hector, Agamemnon, Menelaus, Paris, Odysseus, Ajax, etc. It takes place at Troy, which is the setting of the Iliad. It's about a war between Troy and the Greeks. Over Helen, Queen of Sparta.
Yes, Troy is a terrible adaptation. I agree with you there, don't you get that? But I'm also saying, this is NOT the worst. I've seen less accurate, more insulting adaptations. You, sir, are being unfair.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream The name of the characters,the place where the film is setting,and the plot mean nothing,because Troy is totally dfferent from Iliade. If there is a film who say Hitler won the war because the director is a nazi,the film could be setting in Germany and the protagnist coul has te name Adolf Hitler,but it remanis a bullshit:it is very similar to Troy. But if you think like me Troy is a terrible adaptation,why we are having this discussion?
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos Because I like to talk with people who like Greek culture. But I think I'm having second thoughts on that. For an educated person, you talk like a street punk. And whereas I've tried to be polite with you, you've been exceedingly rude.
As for "who cares if it's American or German", well, YOU called this movie "AMERICAN" in all caps. Are you trying to insult me, sir? If so, you, sir, are an asshole.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream I think you are really annoyed because I say this film is shit and I'm right. Go to sleep. I don't think that I insulted you but now you have insulted me. The discussion about the film is finish:I've right. So bye bye.
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@RavnDream Ettore is Ector
Andreiotatos 2 weeks ago
@Andreiotatos Oh and "Italian pepla", those are movies like Troy or Gladiator. Only made in Italy during the 50s and 60s. Like 'Hercules' starring Steve Reeves and 'Maciste'. Terrible acting, terrible stories, terrible characters, totally inaccurate to the mythology and culture of Greece and Rome. But fucking hilarious.
RavnDream 2 weeks ago
1:29 he threw away his shield like he doesn't even need it. How insulting.
JRock005 1 month ago
Was it really that hard for him to just stay away from other people girls.
JRock005 1 month ago
awww wheres aphrodite to save paris????
iiAngelic 1 month ago
"see the crows...they've never tasted prince before". That's pretty intimidating
dab92 1 month ago
0:37 no homo
gopc32 1 month ago
If only one of them had a lightsaber
steamingturd12 1 month ago
Hahaha, wouldn't it be hilarious if instead Aphrodite saved Paris? Oh wait...
Imonaboat657 1 month ago 10
@Imonaboat657
Someone knows their Classics.
dergeier117 1 month ago
DO A BARREL ROLL!!
anewell41 1 month ago
2:54, that's gotta hurt
ruvaly 1 month ago
LMFAO 2:18
TalonMercenary 1 month ago
awww, professor moody is dead.....or at least his muggle ancestor is.
allshallbelosttoyou 1 month ago
Menelaus was the spartan king during the time of the trojan war, a giant step back from leonidas if you ask me
-_-
Zonxa94561 1 month ago
0bama is like paris...
.....he spent too much time having gay sex with arab children
and sucking islamic cocks to do anything worthwhile. *l*
runsaber1 2 months ago
Hector take all :3
IluvKurtformGlee 2 months ago
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MissAngelwolf22 2 months ago
in Troy, whenever i watch that film, me, my sis, and my mom always complain about how the actress who played Helena looks like a pancake. The real life one was way prettier. and although Paris is played by Orlando Bloom, the character is a real fruit.
MissAngelwolf22 2 months ago
Helen was married to that old motherfucker?
YelawolfFan 2 months ago
@YelawolfFan when you're a king, you can have the hottest women in your country lol
TheReverend29 1 month ago
Paris is a pussy! A coward! But he is The Casanova of Ancient World. :-P Paris have the sexiest woman in the world: The Queen of Sparta, Helen!
So the conclusion is: Doesn't matter how brave you are. The important thing is to be Cute! :))))
However... Women are complicated beings. Only God could understand this beautiful creatures!
:) :-P
LatinROU 2 months ago
A good show of what a real sword fight is like.
84Drumcircle 2 months ago
insist pairs Aries?
MrSieish 2 months ago
that laugh is cracking me up
brokenbones199 2 months ago 4
@brokenbones199 hahaha my bro and i always laugh at that part also
237cupcake 2 months ago
i hate the character Paris...but I'm not minding Orlando Bloom so much
dancer0001345 2 months ago
In the Iliad Aphrodite sweeps up Paris from the fight and puts him in bed with Helen....hahaha nbd guys I read the Iliad
dancer0001345 2 months ago
Jet Li can beat Menelaus in 5 seconds..
thiefguy852 2 months ago 2
@thiefguy852 Jet li cant do shit in ancient fights, ancient fighters was loot better then today fighters.
petroziom 2 months ago
@petroziom How could you POSSIBLY know that? And Jet Li practices a variant of a fighting style that's been around for almost a thousand years
wisewarriormuzic 2 months ago
@thiefguy852 Oohhh! Come on man... Be serious!
"Jet Lee can beat Menelaus in 5 seconds" :)))))
It's just like when you say that Songoku can beat Godzilla is few seconds. =)))))
Godzilla and Songoku are two different fictional characters from different stories!
Or just like when you say that Powerpuff girls can beat Superman. The same thing: Different characters form different stories... =))))))
Be quite and enjoy the film! :)
LatinROU 2 months ago
Agamemnon is a prick, he was going to attack no matter who won.
squamish4244 2 months ago
You would expect him to kick ass, cause he fuckin owns in the Lord of the Rings and Kingdom of Heaven.
Josh04731 2 months ago
Agamenon is so funny when he laugh's, cracks me the hell up.
cocopeanut09 3 months ago
i like how they show hes not some super soldier but a young boy whos not fully prepared for battle
biggman18 3 months ago
sorry paris
8DLULWUT 3 months ago
press 6 to hear menalaus beat the shit out of hector,
8DLULWUT 3 months ago
@8DLULWUT Menelaus was actually killed by Hector later in the movie.
GTPR3 3 weeks ago
screw paris and menelaus...i want hector
xomandaa26xo 3 months ago
Paris Pussyed out LIKE A BOSS!......
.......Ok not like a boss, but still
brian2189114 3 months ago
How can Agamemnon be laughing at this?!
MilesEdgeworth129 3 months ago
@MilesEdgeworth129 because he is seeing how much of a wimp paris is he issues a challange and then runs away i am sorry if i was hector the moment i would have found out that his bitch ass brought that bitch on my boat i would have tossed them both off of it
LordAzanko 2 months ago
Love it when he says," is this what you left me foooooooooor!?!?"
Fall4659 3 months ago
"If I fall, tell Helene.." he ment to say " Tell Helene she always was the man in our relationship"..
mekke92 3 months ago
@mekke92 LOLOL
vegahighclaw 3 months ago
Why do I have the feeling that Hector would have cleaned Menelaos up?
brian2189114 3 months ago
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2:33 Game, Set, Match
brian2189114 3 months ago
Menelaus, also known as the baddest mutha fucka in Braveheart.
BlueberryDoughnuts 3 months ago
hahahaa!! the laugh at 2:16 xD
galapong1029 3 months ago
thanx cupcake! for uploading a nice good ol' english speaking video!!!<3
blinkbox44angels 3 months ago
This whole clip s[eaks one word: OWNED
SamuraixJack 3 months ago
oh wait...wrong sword
XxwelkyxX 3 months ago
paris is simply a incredible big fat pussy... :D
Porzelinchen92 3 months ago
I wonder who'd win. Paris or Patroclus (Achilles cousin)
EyeLoveTheStars 3 months ago
@EyeLoveTheStars definitely patroclus :D i mean (in the film) he fought against hector for at least ... 15 seconds? and he was teached by achilles. hellooooo??! :D
Porzelinchen92 3 months ago
@EyeLoveTheStars Patroclus would win, he is trained for combat, while Paris isn't much of a soldier...
Tarik360 3 months ago
press 9 and you will think hes gonna rape him
MrShakeandbake1 3 months ago
hmm eric bana..dontcha wana?
jaeOneS2 4 months ago
TRANSFORM INTO LEGOLAS AND RAPE HIS ASSSS
HellOwnerz 4 months ago
7 hit combo and a kick at 1:41
knoencowo 5 months ago
Thats mad eye moody... the guy who orlando is fighting
knoencowo 5 months ago
2:16 MY TIRE IS LOOSING AIR!!!
EmpyreBandit 5 months ago 35
@EmpyreBandit LOL
RealDougal 2 months ago
@dogburndan
As backup here is a reference from the text (Trans. Fitzgerald)
As proof here is a citation from the text
"Can you be the man who carried off a beautiful woman from a distant land and warlike family, to be a curse to your father, to the city, and to the whole people? Are you too cowardly to stand up to the brave man whom you wronged? You would soon find out the kind of fighter he is whose lovely wife you stole." Hom Iliad 3.45
iamthegooch85 5 months ago
@dogburndan
Where do you get that from? In the Iliad Hector often reprimands Paris for his unseemly womanishness. Paris is not shown to be a front line hero, but as a rather cowardly figure
iamthegooch85 5 months ago
@jonalululy i thought i was the only one that found that funny XD
randomisraelite 5 months ago
pussy out!
MrSergiobao 5 months ago
i love how menelaus is so much stronger, and has a lot more body mass than paris, and paris is like a flailing child
but in the real story, paris is stronger
dogburndan 5 months ago
@dogburndan
You think that save from Aphrodite is something strong?
2nadalfederer1 4 months ago
@2nadalfederer1 in the illiad it says he's stronger
dogburndan 4 months ago
@dogburndan
I must read it again than. I thought the right opposite was there.
2nadalfederer1 4 months ago
"HE iS MY BROTHA" EPIC xD
nomad413x 5 months ago
that really would be fuckin terrifying haha
K3yB04dG000n 5 months ago
lol
Scooboy19 6 months ago
noob...........
glockensauger 6 months ago 23