If u practice Aikido without striking then it ain't Aikido, ur being taught water down body movement, in a real situation strikes must be used to set up a technique . To much training with partners who just let u put the technique on with no resistance or or aggressiveness is just plain bolloxs.
As GM Ueshiba grew older, more skilled, and more spiritual in his outlook, his art also changed and became softer and more circular. Striking techniques became less important and the formal training became a simplified version of GM Takeda's Daito-Ryu Aikijujitsu. With a greater emphasis of the aiki-no-jutsu part of Daitō-ryū system rather than the more direct jujutsu style joint-locking techniques. The strength and weakness of aikdo is it relies heavily on opponant momentum for throws & locks
i belive the true difference of aikido and daito-ryu aikijujitsu is emphasis and point of view. Remember when GM Ueshiba founded Aikido his emphasis was katsujinken as oppossed to setsuninken. Remember, GM Ueshiba was GM Takeda's top student. In his young days, GM Ueshiba's methods were vigorous and aggressive with ample use of strikes to vital points . But as GM Ueshiba went deeper into his religous beliefs his method became less aggressive. Tomiki-ryū is a example of what Aikido used to be
ueshiba changed the techniques of daitoryu to fit the omoto kyo religion..pacafistic..non violent..his aikido was meant as a way to god...not to overcome mortal men..I am senior daitoryu member in Osaka....
Aikido is derived from Aikijutsu. In Aikido, when you throw or do projection, the opponent lands nice and peacefully. In Aikijutsu, you then change the angle of throw or projection so that the idiot lands on his head, breaking his own neck and everything else related. Aikijutsu is combat, Aikido is a soft art. Techniques are very similar. But the best training is from Japanese, the rest are copycat sissies.
the same "throw them on their Noggin" Approach is used in Aiki-do. People have gotten the wrong idea that Ueshiba designed his art not to hurt anybody. That's incorrect. He took the Aiki principle and expanded on it, and found that not just working with the opponent-supplied force, but actually dong technique WITH how their body is built instead of against it, gave him greater control. if you brought ueshiba war, thats what he would give you back.
@shizensamurai You have NO CLUE what your talking about. 1) Aikido comes from many arts one being Daito ryu Aikijujutsu. 2) In Aikido, the opponent lands nice and peacefully. In Aikijutsu, You make your opponent land on his head, where did you get this from? this is so wrong in so many ways. make sure you know your facts before you start talking crap.
True Aikido is generally soft. There are one or two factions that kept some of the rough stuff though I can imagine they are not too popular since apinful techniques generally = more dropouts of the system. If you can find Hakko Ryu or Hakko Denshin Ryu they do have excellent wristlocking and do progress to nastier techniques as you learn more.
True Aikido is generally soft. There are one or two factions that kept some of the rough stuff though I can imagine they are not too popular since painful techniques generally = more dropouts of the system. If you can find Hakko Ryu or Hakko Denshin Ryu they do have excellent wristlocking and do progress to nastier techniques as you learn more.
True Aikido is generally soft. There are one or two factions that kept some of the rough stuff though I can imagine they are not too popular since painful techniques generally = more dropouts of the system. If you can find Hakko Ryu or Hakko Denshin Ryu they do have excellent wristlocking and do progress to nastier techniques as you learn more.
@shizensamurai Actually, they only land nice an peacefully if they are trained to do so. If you haven't been trained in how to deal with even a simple throw, your likely to get hurt. I've seen someone severely sprain there ankle (they had to walk with crutches for weeks) from not controlling there legs in a very simple throw. Aikido will destroy you.
@comrade33 Yes, to an extent. The Atemi in Aikido are hand strikes that mimic sword movements which set up an opponent for a joint-lock or a takedown, and kicks are minimal, if not non-existent. My comment was to the person who claimed that this vid was Aikido when it is actually Daito Ryu, which has greater emphasis on kicks and punches as well as grappling and weapons techniques.
Very true. What is displayed here clearly is Daito Ryu, not Aikido.
We don't use a lot of atemi where I practice and the only time I see a kick is the rare one given in randori, which is usually discouraged by my instructors.
No sense this kind of discussion. Both arts are great.
Aikido has its fundation based in Daito ryu, of course it is similar. What changes is form and objetive of the technics, what in my opinion, is a great difference. But you can do pretty much the same with both arts, if it is what you want.
Discuss what is better goes nowere, just choose what suits you better and train.
@TheDjShell For most there really isn't a choice. Aikido dojos can be found most anywhere in the U.S. but there are only a small handful of Aikijujutsu schools.
@TheDjShell I don't say I know a lot about Aikido, but from what I've seen/experienced, Aikido is a little too soft compared to Daito Ryu or Aikijutsu styles when it comes to self-defence; sometimes there is no momentum distortion, or wristlock to make you move. Besides, the striking is poor, and the means to attack as well.
I'm not saying it doesn't work, but this takes the level a little down according to me.
It was developed by people that were not intent on finishing there opponent with killing blows such as seen here. They wanted to be able to control the enemy without having to kill him/her. This is how Aikido was formed.
chebf1231 : What sense does it want to attack someone who has no intentions to hurt you?. that's why I practice Aikido, to achieve control my impulses, impulses are those that take you to lose control and thus the fight ......
how do you know someone has the intention to strike before they do? People that know when someone will attack is very unrealistic. If you assume that people who scream verbal abuse at you are going to attack, you'd waiting for allot of fight to happen, because some people are all words. They say you can sense danger, but that takes years of training. Most people 'wait' to be attacked, coz they never know it's coming. Why initiate a fight if you're not sure there's going to be one?
These waza are merely the building blocks on which the Bunkai is based.
This type of training builds a strong foundation. I would think that in the hundreds of years that these arts have been around...if the techniques didn't work...they would have been discarded. Yes???
I have trained in Shotokan Karate for 23 years and Eishin Ryu Iaijutsu for 16 years...believe me...they work.
These are drills, but in Hanmi- Handachi, the samurai may have been attacked after their weapons were taken from them before entering the redisence of one of their superiors, and they were required to be seated at all times, so one might have had to defend themselves from a sitting position
Aikido came from this. Aikido is a very peaceful martial art so a lot of the killing/crippling techniques were modified or removed. You can see a lot of strikes and bone breaks in this, that aikido would do differently to minimize injury. Uyesheba was a very religious man and did not want to have to cripple or kill to defend himself. However, they look very similar.
its true what some people are saying here as you don't go looking for a fight, but if your in an unavoidable situation and if indeed you have trained and are confident in your moves to be able to takedown someone with a knife then I don't see the problem, as well as humility do you not need a certain warrior mindset someone with a knife is not only trying to steal your stuff but also disrespecting you but great vid loved it
Aikido is the art of achieving maximum results with minimum effort using perfect economy of movement. this efficiency increases the effectiveness of available energy. The secret is in the spin. The circuler movements mirror those of the universal spin. Everything without, is propelled by energy from within, creating a spiraling spin. the aikidoka harmonizes with this universal spin flow which acts as a "force multiplyer" for his technique. The aikidoka thus becomes universal power personified.
As you said the key is in the spin, yes that's true but more important it's in your center, your key energy to correctly take an opponent off balance it's important you have good key as well as correct spin and foot movement.
I know what ki is, ki is your center, "Where is that?". Two inches below your belly button I was just saying you need good key and balance and correct footing to spin properly to effectively do the move.
lets talk about what makes a master. Your mind. As all martial arts begin within. All battles are lost or won before the fighting has even begun. As within so without, reality unfolds from the inside out. Let me simplify by saying, that awareness and common sense are your 1st and strongest line of defence. with it, you can forsee the moment to be and with forsight, dictate whether or not to fight. If a fight is to be, every move the opponent makes you will in his mind see. Meditate grasshoppers
Fergyleen, in martial arts practice we take good care not to hurt or partners with these dangerous techniques, but it does not mean that these techniques are not effective in a real fight. Those falls and joints locks can and will hurt you really bad in a real fight when you don't hold back to protect. Gee, they even hurt during practice when we are being careful and tap out. You can finish someone without kicking or punching. Any grappler can tell you that.
dear readers so sorry i am wrong Master Hiroo Mochizuki is with YOSEIKAN BUDO,forgive me.Now anyone of you readers try this, watch a karate kumite, taekwando kumite, judo,jujutsu,and lastly aikido have an open mind in that way you will broaden your perspective. if you are threaten by a knife wielding attacker in an alley asking for your money or cellphone of course you as a peaceful man will do whatever he ask of you but still he is determine to hurt you,as a budoka what will you do,
if im not mistaken Yoshinkan Aikido is from Master Mochizuki according to my shorin ryu teacher his teacher in jujutsu is Master Rikkyo Mochizuki i didnt know if their is any relationship but believe me training with my teacher in aikido and jujutsu is too painful my teacher will at all times emphasizes the importance of atemiwasa he will always says that you cannot throw an opponent without hurting him first, how you train is how you will react in times of stress, keep a zanchin mind
since my teacher is a member of the BAF,BAFalways sent to my teacher BAF aikido newsletter in one of those newsletter is a story, what if a 7th dan aikido expert meet a7th dan karate expert in a streetfight(correct me if im wrong) also many times VINCE MORRIS is right, KAISHINKAN AIKIDO follow the syllabus of the BAF my fellow student oftentimes question the applicability of an aikido technique in a streetfight since we are all karateka,in a streetfight characteristic or essence wont help you
You're right. Budo will not help you win street fights. Budo will help you stay away from street fights. You may be a karateka, but you're obviously not a budoka.
It doesn't seem like he's even a Karateka. In any Karate discipline you learn Humility. No Martial Artist would fight on the street unless completely necessary. They would stay away from them. I learn Aikido, only have been for about 3 months but I already know enough to stop any potential threat, but I also learn Kyokushin Karate, shodan. Shotokan Karate, Nikyu and Taekwondo, shodan. Believe me, Humility is the first thing you learn. if you go fighting in the streets you're no martial artist
its seem some readers do not grasp the idea of what i comment , the truth hurts isnt it , why do you study martials arts(anykind) is it for enlightenment, for exercise,or to protect you when shit happenseven o sensei said that 99% of aikido is atemiwasa, minoru kanetsuka even said that he is not proficient in punching or kicking have any of you seen an aikidoka attack or defend forget steven seagal that only in the movies,when you are face with life threatening situation your budo wont help you
You'd be surprised what works in reality. My instructor is in a form of law enforcement (I won't get into the details to avoid putting him on the spot) and the style we do has a lot of similarities to this (Bujinkan Ninjutsu). As far as movies go, Stephen Segal is probably as close to reality as you're likely to see. There's a lot of crossover in all the various jujutsu systems obviously. My instructor always claims that it's his Taijutsu that allows him to come home at night to his family.
Daito Ryu is a 'kata' based traditional martial art. All techniques are studied in this manner. It goes back to the concept of one cut one kill. If you draw your sword then you had better be ready to use it. All intention, attention and purpose if put into each individual technique. I find this a great way to really work sound basics. Andy
i have a question?what if a7th dan aikido expert meet a 7th dan karate expert in a streetfight? aikidokas are lousy when attacking aikido is good only in close combat but when it comes todistance fight karateka is better, i am a 4th dan shorin ryu bb and 3rd dan aikido bb i studied aikido because in my opinion there is something missing with karate especially in close combat-grappling but even with aikido i have to modify many of its technique coz it would not work on an opponent
You really have not idea of what you are talking about whatsoever. How dare comparing Martial Arts specially when both are from BUDO, each one with its own characteristics and essence, obviously you are the lousy Aikidoka not the art itself.
Try Yoshinkan aikido.. no dancing, no essence of which you speak.. just pure, bone breaking techniques. It's all about how you train.. but like Aikuinen said.. budo will lead you down the path you truly wish to go down, if you possess the true spirit of a martial artists. Be much wiser than you speak.. who cares? You know who would win, with people at that level? Whoever swings first would probably lose.. and rightfully so! God bless.
the simple fact that you asked that question shows that you don't know much abt what you're saying. A 7th dan martial artist in any discipline isn't just ur average bob who gets in street fights. to get to 7th dan there's a certain mastery of the art that u ave to show, not just the techniques but also the philosophy behind it. and one of the main philosophies in aikido is to fight by not fighting. so any 7th dan aikidoka who gets in a street fight must've skipped a couple of classes.
you must also realize that not everybody can be reasoned with. What if the assailant was on some sort of mind-altering drug and the shihan in this case had no other choice but to neutralize the attacker in the peaceful way that aikido allows us. Just because you got in a confrontation doesn't necessarily mean that you're a bad aikidoka, but one thing you need to think about yourself is how you could have avoided that in the first place.
I have a question for anybody doing Aikijutsu. I do not mean to be insulting, but is there are reason that their movements are so static in this video? Are the movements always broken down and separated like this? There doesn't seem to be any flow in their movement.
Is this video representative of how someone training in Daito Ryu is taught to move?
i do not do aikijujutsu but i do aikido, we do nto ahve static movments, but these movments are mostly to teach your mind propper princip and discipline for in actuall non static action still contains these sequences that are extremely important. In my opinion one shoudl practice all sequences in static form but we do not do that in aikido.
This is totally different from aikido... only a blind couldn't see it. Morihei Ueshiba created a new martial art. Maybe the roots are the same, but the leaves are far away. Aikido is not so aggressive. Aikido preaches love, not war. A true Aikidoka plays these tecniques with a different spirit.
every martial arts contains the same principles... the difference is how they are used. there isn't a martial art completely divided by another. But the spirit makes this difference. Understand this, and you'll notice how different are these 2 martial arts. is an internal question.
Yes, I believe so. It's hard to explain in 500 characters because this is the heart of all martial arts, but that's the general idea. Every tecnique is unique, and it starts from the inner, than takes a form in the outside. I'm so glad we have a similar idea!
its stupid to see teh truth that morihei has developed aikido and still say that morhei di dnot have an exellent grip on aikikjujutsu. Anyone creating aikido must have known daito ruy aikijujutsu as the palm of his hands, Morihei was not just a student ! he loved martial arts , i mean it was his stage .. would you say any of you favorite wrestlers arent giving 120 % in the ring ? i know eddie guerrero did so did chris benoit and so did morihei.. and thats what made aikido the love.
Yes and No, I totally agree that Non-Compliant Training is Necessary for growth, but at the same time its through compliance that a martial artist learns to move.
Not entirely sure this is a "problem" per se. If this type of training didn't result in practically useful skill/reactions the Samurai would have abandoned it, as theirs was a world of life and death by your skills.
The issue is more that if the uke struggles resists the technique, there's a good chance he'll wind up with a broken arm or worse. It's hard to teach a martial art when your students have to wait a month between classes to heal.
i think ur missing my point, maybe i didnt explain it well. Im not talking about if the student struggles against nikyo being applied but rather the lead up to the application of the actual technique its usually to pre orchestrated on both sides and no consideration for anything else that might arise. Have a look at systema that may give an idea of what im talking about.
Actually, safety between training partners is usually held at utmost importance. But after a while, one's joints start to get used to the techniques and after time practitioners can start to do their techniques a little more strongly on their partner. I actually practice Jung Ki Hapkido, a child style of Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu.
The concept is to control your enemy quickly and with minimum effort. The opponent might still get hurt in the process. You don't want him to get back up.
It is in Aikido where you try to leave your opponent relatively unhurt. Aikido comes from Daito, hence is similar in many respect.
aiki jujutsu is winning without fighting, always wait for the opponent to strike and use its energy against him. at least its what i understand of it =D but even the masters of masters say u cant really put the way of the aiki into words it complicated
did you know morhei invited Takeda to train at his home?
that maybe Morihei also had influence on the later aikijutsu.. and it was teh art he tought as a conclusion ? and hten that art was not different then aikijuts but it was fluent and modificated lightly to become aikido? people think aikido was some different MA and that takeda and morihei were just student adn teacher.. it was more.
Ueshiba then became a representative of Daitō-ryū, toured with Takeda as a teaching assistant and taught the system to others under the Daitō-ryū name
there's a lot of stigma around sokaku and ueshiba, especially their relationship. THO it's apparent that ueshiba held him in the highest regard. I've never heard of ueshiba being kicked tho. Takeda after all awarded him the highest honor possible at the time.
heard they had a disaggreement over sokaku's fees tho noone has ever been able to give an accurate description of this have they?
Sokaku acording to Sagawa and Horkikawa Sensei's did not teach from kata. Sokaku's son organized these movements in a attempt create koryu impression to daitoryu for future lessons. I am senior student of Daitoryu Takumakai in Osaka 20yrs. Sokaku was illterate so he could not teach from densho.
The catalogues ( Hiden Mokuroku etc) organized more after.Sokaku Sensei was a real Warrior.he was not farmer or merchant or etc.He had a Minamato Genji DNA...He was a real genius of war...And today if someone say - i am a warrior - :)) he is not real warrior...he is just a imitator...
It's not "kata," but certainly not freestyle. It's likely a belt test. They're memorizing responses to certain types of attacks... to train muscle memory so the proper response will occur instead of just flinching if an attack comes from a certain angle.
It is kata... Daito Ryu mainly uses kata only. I do the sword styke Katori Shinto Ryu along with Aikibudo and last week I did a practise lesson Daito Ryu... it is wonderfull I tell you. The mother of Japanese Martial Arts and you definitly see the resembles.
Well it is not really a Kata: more an Enbu as said in the video description... I think the difference is important: a Kata is fixed and can not be changed, whereas an Enbu is an agreed series of movements between the people doing it (there can be more than 2). That said, it is always a pleasure to see some Daito ryu ;)
Ja Nihongo de; gomenasai, watashino nihongo chou waruii kedo, watashi wa gunma ken de Daito Tou Ryu renshuushimashita. Ima amerika ni renshushimasu, texasaikijujutsuDOTcom mite kudasai. DTR wa Daito Ryu des.
omg watta crock like to see this done to mike tyson
jkdpaul09 3 weeks ago
what i'm curious about is, why does he set the knife on the floor for him to pick up instead of just handing it to him?
is it a cultural thing?
ToastDerp 1 month ago
what cameraman takes post behind a tripod?
Putortous 2 months ago
If u practice Aikido without striking then it ain't Aikido, ur being taught water down body movement, in a real situation strikes must be used to set up a technique . To much training with partners who just let u put the technique on with no resistance or or aggressiveness is just plain bolloxs.
1979kyuss 2 months ago
As GM Ueshiba grew older, more skilled, and more spiritual in his outlook, his art also changed and became softer and more circular. Striking techniques became less important and the formal training became a simplified version of GM Takeda's Daito-Ryu Aikijujitsu. With a greater emphasis of the aiki-no-jutsu part of Daitō-ryū system rather than the more direct jujutsu style joint-locking techniques. The strength and weakness of aikdo is it relies heavily on opponant momentum for throws & locks
naumutroi 6 months ago
i belive the true difference of aikido and daito-ryu aikijujitsu is emphasis and point of view. Remember when GM Ueshiba founded Aikido his emphasis was katsujinken as oppossed to setsuninken. Remember, GM Ueshiba was GM Takeda's top student. In his young days, GM Ueshiba's methods were vigorous and aggressive with ample use of strikes to vital points . But as GM Ueshiba went deeper into his religous beliefs his method became less aggressive. Tomiki-ryū is a example of what Aikido used to be
naumutroi 6 months ago
WHOOOO I like knee walking thumbs up if you do too (its kinda painfull at first...)
XxTHExDEADxMANXx 9 months ago
@XxTHExDEADxMANXx stop this "thumbs up" stupidity.
Cab0cl0 8 months ago
@Cab0cl0 i hate you (@.@) nah im just messing with you still al do it if i want
XxTHExDEADxMANXx 8 months ago
ueshiba changed the techniques of daitoryu to fit the omoto kyo religion..pacafistic..non violent..his aikido was meant as a way to god...not to overcome mortal men..I am senior daitoryu member in Osaka....
Dojocho 10 months ago
the bottom line is daito-ryu is fucking deadly
MrDontstareitsrude 1 year ago
@MrDontstareitsrude Especially the old techniques! Very dangerous if not practiced safely.
polyphony89 1 year ago
Aikido is derived from Aikijutsu. In Aikido, when you throw or do projection, the opponent lands nice and peacefully. In Aikijutsu, you then change the angle of throw or projection so that the idiot lands on his head, breaking his own neck and everything else related. Aikijutsu is combat, Aikido is a soft art. Techniques are very similar. But the best training is from Japanese, the rest are copycat sissies.
shizensamurai 1 year ago
@shizensamurai
the same "throw them on their Noggin" Approach is used in Aiki-do. People have gotten the wrong idea that Ueshiba designed his art not to hurt anybody. That's incorrect. He took the Aiki principle and expanded on it, and found that not just working with the opponent-supplied force, but actually dong technique WITH how their body is built instead of against it, gave him greater control. if you brought ueshiba war, thats what he would give you back.
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@shizensamurai You have NO CLUE what your talking about. 1) Aikido comes from many arts one being Daito ryu Aikijujutsu. 2) In Aikido, the opponent lands nice and peacefully. In Aikijutsu, You make your opponent land on his head, where did you get this from? this is so wrong in so many ways. make sure you know your facts before you start talking crap.
goryukanstafford 1 year ago
@shizensamurai
True Aikido is generally soft. There are one or two factions that kept some of the rough stuff though I can imagine they are not too popular since apinful techniques generally = more dropouts of the system. If you can find Hakko Ryu or Hakko Denshin Ryu they do have excellent wristlocking and do progress to nastier techniques as you learn more.
richiegootz 11 months ago
@shizensamurai
True Aikido is generally soft. There are one or two factions that kept some of the rough stuff though I can imagine they are not too popular since painful techniques generally = more dropouts of the system. If you can find Hakko Ryu or Hakko Denshin Ryu they do have excellent wristlocking and do progress to nastier techniques as you learn more.
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@shizensamurai
True Aikido is generally soft. There are one or two factions that kept some of the rough stuff though I can imagine they are not too popular since painful techniques generally = more dropouts of the system. If you can find Hakko Ryu or Hakko Denshin Ryu they do have excellent wristlocking and do progress to nastier techniques as you learn more.
richiegootz 11 months ago
@shizensamurai Actually, they only land nice an peacefully if they are trained to do so. If you haven't been trained in how to deal with even a simple throw, your likely to get hurt. I've seen someone severely sprain there ankle (they had to walk with crutches for weeks) from not controlling there legs in a very simple throw. Aikido will destroy you.
Altonahk 10 months ago
People who say that Daito is exactly the same as Aikibudo, are stupid.
Aikibudo was derived from Daito, but has later on been influenced by Takeda Jujutsu and Yoseikan Aikido.
larbo1616 1 year ago
ЕШИНКАН???
Kreml25 1 year ago
Human nature always need to oppose things - sad.
Ryokushindo 1 year ago
This is Aikido, not Aikijujutsu
jgroch 1 year ago
@jgroch This is Aikijujutsu. Aikido has no striking.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur
I practice Aikido and we use atemi all the time.
comrade33 1 year ago
@comrade33 Then it must be Aikijujutsu calling itself Aikido, because Aikido uses no kicks or punches.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur “The secret to Aikido is Atemi”…O'sensei
comrade33 1 year ago
@comrade33 yes but did he mean to use atemi to strike, or use the opponent's atemi to create movement?
Gronked 1 year ago
@comrade33 Good one I'm glad someone pointed this out. You are correct!!!
goryukanstafford 1 year ago
@44excalibur “The secret to Aikido is Atemi”…O'sensei
I practice at an Aikikai dojo directly related to the Hombu dojo. Atemi is a part of Aikido.
comrade33 1 year ago
@comrade33 Yes, to an extent. The Atemi in Aikido are hand strikes that mimic sword movements which set up an opponent for a joint-lock or a takedown, and kicks are minimal, if not non-existent. My comment was to the person who claimed that this vid was Aikido when it is actually Daito Ryu, which has greater emphasis on kicks and punches as well as grappling and weapons techniques.
44excalibur 1 year ago
@44excalibur
Very true. What is displayed here clearly is Daito Ryu, not Aikido.
We don't use a lot of atemi where I practice and the only time I see a kick is the rare one given in randori, which is usually discouraged by my instructors.
comrade33 1 year ago
@comrade33 Good one I'm glad someone pointed this out. Correct!!!
goryukanstafford 1 year ago
@comrade33 Good one I'm glad someone pointed this out. You are correct!!!
goryukanstafford 1 year ago
Are they naked under them chaps?
christlicker 1 year ago
@christlicker No they are wearing full gi's. You see the white showing through don't you?
MikeUntstinks 1 year ago
@christlicker Why would you wanna know?
Thrillcekr 1 year ago
@Thrillcekr Why wouldn't you?
christlicker 1 year ago
@christlicker Maybe because I'm straight and not interested in knowing if someone's hairy fuckin' man purse is uncovered under there.
Thrillcekr 1 year ago
No sense this kind of discussion. Both arts are great.
Aikido has its fundation based in Daito ryu, of course it is similar. What changes is form and objetive of the technics, what in my opinion, is a great difference. But you can do pretty much the same with both arts, if it is what you want.
Discuss what is better goes nowere, just choose what suits you better and train.
TheDjShell 2 years ago 26
Exactly.
FinalKenny2 2 years ago
@TheDjShell For most there really isn't a choice. Aikido dojos can be found most anywhere in the U.S. but there are only a small handful of Aikijujutsu schools.
Thrillcekr 1 year ago
@TheDjShell I don't say I know a lot about Aikido, but from what I've seen/experienced, Aikido is a little too soft compared to Daito Ryu or Aikijutsu styles when it comes to self-defence; sometimes there is no momentum distortion, or wristlock to make you move. Besides, the striking is poor, and the means to attack as well.
I'm not saying it doesn't work, but this takes the level a little down according to me.
FearThisChannel 3 months ago
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akidio is a Poser akijujutsu is the original akidio is an off-shoot of akijujutsu
kissrocker9 2 years ago
It was developed by people that were not intent on finishing there opponent with killing blows such as seen here. They wanted to be able to control the enemy without having to kill him/her. This is how Aikido was formed.
H3lLsI8anDits 2 years ago 3
chebf1231 : What sense does it want to attack someone who has no intentions to hurt you?. that's why I practice Aikido, to achieve control my impulses, impulses are those that take you to lose control and thus the fight ......
rodrigoba100 2 years ago
this is what's missing from aikido. I always thought there was something missing?
No real person wants to wait for thier opponent to come at them.
sometimes you want to be aggressive.
in this style you can take the fight to the opponent.
chebf1231 2 years ago
@chebf1231 Actually it depends on the Aikido styles ideology. You can make it hard or soft...depends on the Aikidoka.
ronin2167 2 years ago
how do you know someone has the intention to strike before they do? People that know when someone will attack is very unrealistic. If you assume that people who scream verbal abuse at you are going to attack, you'd waiting for allot of fight to happen, because some people are all words. They say you can sense danger, but that takes years of training. Most people 'wait' to be attacked, coz they never know it's coming. Why initiate a fight if you're not sure there's going to be one?
KurtCobain198666 2 years ago
if you think that is missing from Aikido you are practicing at the wrong place.
shinjukool 1 year ago
where is this? is this the HQ in Japan?
217900 2 years ago
Who honestly attacks this way?
aikiman7 2 years ago
These Sensei are well able to defend themselves.
These waza are merely the building blocks on which the Bunkai is based.
This type of training builds a strong foundation. I would think that in the hundreds of years that these arts have been around...if the techniques didn't work...they would have been discarded. Yes???
I have trained in Shotokan Karate for 23 years and Eishin Ryu Iaijutsu for 16 years...believe me...they work.
countrysamurai 2 years ago 2
These are drills, but in Hanmi- Handachi, the samurai may have been attacked after their weapons were taken from them before entering the redisence of one of their superiors, and they were required to be seated at all times, so one might have had to defend themselves from a sitting position
ciliaspippi 2 years ago
Samurai do.
back in old times,this is how they fought.
it's very easy to convert a throw meant for a side strike to a hook punch.
it really make no differeance.
only thing that matters is...that the strikes cover every possible angle of attack.
Shinkatana420 2 years ago
what is the diffrens bitween this and aikido? p.s i know i have bad spelling
placeboff 2 years ago
Here they are using joint manipulation and pressure points and hard throws, aikido came from this art as did hapkido.
cvm8281 2 years ago
Aikido has more circular movements. The Daito Ryu is the Aikido´s father.
Anibal677 2 years ago
Aikido came from this. Aikido is a very peaceful martial art so a lot of the killing/crippling techniques were modified or removed. You can see a lot of strikes and bone breaks in this, that aikido would do differently to minimize injury. Uyesheba was a very religious man and did not want to have to cripple or kill to defend himself. However, they look very similar.
hkdharmon 2 years ago
thx for the information)))
placeboff 2 years ago
Well put...though...
Aikido also has roots in Iaido/Iaijutsu.
Look at the stances in Aiki...the Iaidoka look like they are holding a sword.
countrysamurai 2 years ago
@countrysamurai Actually kenjutsu...but yes...they are derived from sword strikes.
ronin2167 2 years ago
Very nice ude osae right in the beginning.
frozenicelolly 2 years ago
its true what some people are saying here as you don't go looking for a fight, but if your in an unavoidable situation and if indeed you have trained and are confident in your moves to be able to takedown someone with a knife then I don't see the problem, as well as humility do you not need a certain warrior mindset someone with a knife is not only trying to steal your stuff but also disrespecting you but great vid loved it
soopaj 2 years ago
Aikido is the art of achieving maximum results with minimum effort using perfect economy of movement. this efficiency increases the effectiveness of available energy. The secret is in the spin. The circuler movements mirror those of the universal spin. Everything without, is propelled by energy from within, creating a spiraling spin. the aikidoka harmonizes with this universal spin flow which acts as a "force multiplyer" for his technique. The aikidoka thus becomes universal power personified.
xaedmon 2 years ago 3
As you said the key is in the spin, yes that's true but more important it's in your center, your key energy to correctly take an opponent off balance it's important you have good key as well as correct spin and foot movement.
cvm8281 2 years ago
sorry to correct but its ki, as in ai-ki-do same ki, that ki means energy, yes it is pronounced key but the word is ki
Bouboukenka 2 years ago
I know what ki is, ki is your center, "Where is that?". Two inches below your belly button I was just saying you need good key and balance and correct footing to spin properly to effectively do the move.
cvm8281 2 years ago
LoL if the mind is weak
so is the technique
so does yoda speak
train hard, fight soft
from angles oblique,
thread your ki
through adversary
so does yoda speak
xaedmon 2 years ago
lets talk about what makes a master. Your mind. As all martial arts begin within. All battles are lost or won before the fighting has even begun. As within so without, reality unfolds from the inside out. Let me simplify by saying, that awareness and common sense are your 1st and strongest line of defence. with it, you can forsee the moment to be and with forsight, dictate whether or not to fight. If a fight is to be, every move the opponent makes you will in his mind see. Meditate grasshoppers
xaedmon 2 years ago
Yes master Yoda :P
BushidoBudo9000 2 years ago
Fergyleen, in martial arts practice we take good care not to hurt or partners with these dangerous techniques, but it does not mean that these techniques are not effective in a real fight. Those falls and joints locks can and will hurt you really bad in a real fight when you don't hold back to protect. Gee, they even hurt during practice when we are being careful and tap out. You can finish someone without kicking or punching. Any grappler can tell you that.
HyddenDragon 2 years ago
5 stars
juventino76a 2 years ago
dear readers so sorry i am wrong Master Hiroo Mochizuki is with YOSEIKAN BUDO,forgive me.Now anyone of you readers try this, watch a karate kumite, taekwando kumite, judo,jujutsu,and lastly aikido have an open mind in that way you will broaden your perspective. if you are threaten by a knife wielding attacker in an alley asking for your money or cellphone of course you as a peaceful man will do whatever he ask of you but still he is determine to hurt you,as a budoka what will you do,
fergyleen 2 years ago
if im not mistaken Yoshinkan Aikido is from Master Mochizuki according to my shorin ryu teacher his teacher in jujutsu is Master Rikkyo Mochizuki i didnt know if their is any relationship but believe me training with my teacher in aikido and jujutsu is too painful my teacher will at all times emphasizes the importance of atemiwasa he will always says that you cannot throw an opponent without hurting him first, how you train is how you will react in times of stress, keep a zanchin mind
fergyleen 2 years ago
since my teacher is a member of the BAF,BAFalways sent to my teacher BAF aikido newsletter in one of those newsletter is a story, what if a 7th dan aikido expert meet a7th dan karate expert in a streetfight(correct me if im wrong) also many times VINCE MORRIS is right, KAISHINKAN AIKIDO follow the syllabus of the BAF my fellow student oftentimes question the applicability of an aikido technique in a streetfight since we are all karateka,in a streetfight characteristic or essence wont help you
fergyleen 2 years ago
You're right. Budo will not help you win street fights. Budo will help you stay away from street fights. You may be a karateka, but you're obviously not a budoka.
Aikuinen 2 years ago
It doesn't seem like he's even a Karateka. In any Karate discipline you learn Humility. No Martial Artist would fight on the street unless completely necessary. They would stay away from them. I learn Aikido, only have been for about 3 months but I already know enough to stop any potential threat, but I also learn Kyokushin Karate, shodan. Shotokan Karate, Nikyu and Taekwondo, shodan. Believe me, Humility is the first thing you learn. if you go fighting in the streets you're no martial artist
xxBlazionxx 2 years ago
its seem some readers do not grasp the idea of what i comment , the truth hurts isnt it , why do you study martials arts(anykind) is it for enlightenment, for exercise,or to protect you when shit happenseven o sensei said that 99% of aikido is atemiwasa, minoru kanetsuka even said that he is not proficient in punching or kicking have any of you seen an aikidoka attack or defend forget steven seagal that only in the movies,when you are face with life threatening situation your budo wont help you
fergyleen 2 years ago
You'd be surprised what works in reality. My instructor is in a form of law enforcement (I won't get into the details to avoid putting him on the spot) and the style we do has a lot of similarities to this (Bujinkan Ninjutsu). As far as movies go, Stephen Segal is probably as close to reality as you're likely to see. There's a lot of crossover in all the various jujutsu systems obviously. My instructor always claims that it's his Taijutsu that allows him to come home at night to his family.
NinjaRunningWild 2 years ago
Daito Ryu is a 'kata' based traditional martial art. All techniques are studied in this manner. It goes back to the concept of one cut one kill. If you draw your sword then you had better be ready to use it. All intention, attention and purpose if put into each individual technique. I find this a great way to really work sound basics. Andy
tvmartialarts 3 years ago
i have a question?what if a7th dan aikido expert meet a 7th dan karate expert in a streetfight? aikidokas are lousy when attacking aikido is good only in close combat but when it comes todistance fight karateka is better, i am a 4th dan shorin ryu bb and 3rd dan aikido bb i studied aikido because in my opinion there is something missing with karate especially in close combat-grappling but even with aikido i have to modify many of its technique coz it would not work on an opponent
fergyleen 3 years ago
You really have not idea of what you are talking about whatsoever. How dare comparing Martial Arts specially when both are from BUDO, each one with its own characteristics and essence, obviously you are the lousy Aikidoka not the art itself.
javieralfonzo 2 years ago
Try Yoshinkan aikido.. no dancing, no essence of which you speak.. just pure, bone breaking techniques. It's all about how you train.. but like Aikuinen said.. budo will lead you down the path you truly wish to go down, if you possess the true spirit of a martial artists. Be much wiser than you speak.. who cares? You know who would win, with people at that level? Whoever swings first would probably lose.. and rightfully so! God bless.
richp860 2 years ago
the simple fact that you asked that question shows that you don't know much abt what you're saying. A 7th dan martial artist in any discipline isn't just ur average bob who gets in street fights. to get to 7th dan there's a certain mastery of the art that u ave to show, not just the techniques but also the philosophy behind it. and one of the main philosophies in aikido is to fight by not fighting. so any 7th dan aikidoka who gets in a street fight must've skipped a couple of classes.
fzr1793 2 years ago
you must also realize that not everybody can be reasoned with. What if the assailant was on some sort of mind-altering drug and the shihan in this case had no other choice but to neutralize the attacker in the peaceful way that aikido allows us. Just because you got in a confrontation doesn't necessarily mean that you're a bad aikidoka, but one thing you need to think about yourself is how you could have avoided that in the first place.
garyfox89 2 years ago 8
I have a question for anybody doing Aikijutsu. I do not mean to be insulting, but is there are reason that their movements are so static in this video? Are the movements always broken down and separated like this? There doesn't seem to be any flow in their movement.
Is this video representative of how someone training in Daito Ryu is taught to move?
eadagher 3 years ago
i do not do aikijujutsu but i do aikido, we do nto ahve static movments, but these movments are mostly to teach your mind propper princip and discipline for in actuall non static action still contains these sequences that are extremely important. In my opinion one shoudl practice all sequences in static form but we do not do that in aikido.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
This is totally different from aikido... only a blind couldn't see it. Morihei Ueshiba created a new martial art. Maybe the roots are the same, but the leaves are far away. Aikido is not so aggressive. Aikido preaches love, not war. A true Aikidoka plays these tecniques with a different spirit.
mendicopelvico 3 years ago
it is not totally different at all, only a blind would say so.
the aikijujutsu spirit is not so far from aikido , it just also contains principals of budo.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
every martial arts contains the same principles... the difference is how they are used. there isn't a martial art completely divided by another. But the spirit makes this difference. Understand this, and you'll notice how different are these 2 martial arts. is an internal question.
mendicopelvico 3 years ago
i think i understand wat you say and i agree. It is about if you personally take the role to hone and create the spirit.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
Yes, I believe so. It's hard to explain in 500 characters because this is the heart of all martial arts, but that's the general idea. Every tecnique is unique, and it starts from the inner, than takes a form in the outside. I'm so glad we have a similar idea!
mendicopelvico 3 years ago
let me send you a mail that i sendt another enthusiast.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
very nice...
drahcir501 3 years ago
its stupid to see teh truth that morihei has developed aikido and still say that morhei di dnot have an exellent grip on aikikjujutsu. Anyone creating aikido must have known daito ruy aikijujutsu as the palm of his hands, Morihei was not just a student ! he loved martial arts , i mean it was his stage .. would you say any of you favorite wrestlers arent giving 120 % in the ring ? i know eddie guerrero did so did chris benoit and so did morihei.. and thats what made aikido the love.
Aur0rah 3 years ago 2
the only problem with this type of training is that the uke doesnt respond to the technique of the other guy and just lets him do his move.
thEBURNINGLEGION 3 years ago
that's an important thing to remember. Make sure the technique is being applied properly, else your not doing anyone any favours.
nikaubro 3 years ago
Yes and No, I totally agree that Non-Compliant Training is Necessary for growth, but at the same time its through compliance that a martial artist learns to move.
I guess one could say its sensitivity training.
c3po1111 3 years ago
Not entirely sure this is a "problem" per se. If this type of training didn't result in practically useful skill/reactions the Samurai would have abandoned it, as theirs was a world of life and death by your skills.
L12aRd 3 years ago 2
The issue is more that if the uke struggles resists the technique, there's a good chance he'll wind up with a broken arm or worse. It's hard to teach a martial art when your students have to wait a month between classes to heal.
kaminosai 3 years ago 2
i think ur missing my point, maybe i didnt explain it well. Im not talking about if the student struggles against nikyo being applied but rather the lead up to the application of the actual technique its usually to pre orchestrated on both sides and no consideration for anything else that might arise. Have a look at systema that may give an idea of what im talking about.
thEBURNINGLEGION 3 years ago
not positve but isnt there training where the uke just continuously attacks the shite thereby making it more randomized?
Tianshou88 3 years ago
continously attacks with the same pre orchestrated movements ive never really seen a akidokia reflexes tested well maybe once
thEBURNINGLEGION 3 years ago
ahh gotcha i had a suspicion that's what it was
Tianshou88 3 years ago
Actually, safety between training partners is usually held at utmost importance. But after a while, one's joints start to get used to the techniques and after time practitioners can start to do their techniques a little more strongly on their partner. I actually practice Jung Ki Hapkido, a child style of Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu.
TejayH 3 years ago 2
well trained students won't get hurt ^^
XXLink 3 years ago
so is the concept of this style is to disable an opponent with or without hurting them?
desolat3 3 years ago
The concept is to control your enemy quickly and with minimum effort. The opponent might still get hurt in the process. You don't want him to get back up.
It is in Aikido where you try to leave your opponent relatively unhurt. Aikido comes from Daito, hence is similar in many respect.
courtin 3 years ago
aiki jujutsu is winning without fighting, always wait for the opponent to strike and use its energy against him. at least its what i understand of it =D but even the masters of masters say u cant really put the way of the aiki into words it complicated
DGr8Strategist 3 years ago
control, atemi, control, atemi, the way true jujutsu is.
chushinryoku 3 years ago
control, atemi, control, atemi, the way true jujutsu is.
chushinryoku 3 years ago
I love the crowd control techniques of this art.
tropicalian 4 years ago
Beatiful. I do Aikido and since this martial is a big influence on mine i really like it.
zHawk32 4 years ago
did you know morhei invited Takeda to train at his home?
that maybe Morihei also had influence on the later aikijutsu.. and it was teh art he tought as a conclusion ? and hten that art was not different then aikijuts but it was fluent and modificated lightly to become aikido? people think aikido was some different MA and that takeda and morihei were just student adn teacher.. it was more.
Aur0rah 3 years ago
Ueshiba then became a representative of Daitō-ryū, toured with Takeda as a teaching assistant and taught the system to others under the Daitō-ryū name
Aur0rah 3 years ago
Ueshiba only trained with Takeda for about 3 years and then was kicked out becasue he would not pay his tuition. I read that in Aikido Journal.
yoshimonsoon 3 years ago
really? can you show me the source? i would appreciate you sharing that information
Eayne 3 years ago
there's a lot of stigma around sokaku and ueshiba, especially their relationship. THO it's apparent that ueshiba held him in the highest regard. I've never heard of ueshiba being kicked tho. Takeda after all awarded him the highest honor possible at the time.
heard they had a disaggreement over sokaku's fees tho noone has ever been able to give an accurate description of this have they?
nikaubro 3 years ago
Who says Ueshiba was awarded highest honor? He on;y got a kyoju dairi. the highest was awarded to Takuma Hisa, he got a menkyo kaiden.
randykhayman 3 years ago 2
Sokaku acording to Sagawa and Horkikawa Sensei's did not teach from kata. Sokaku's son organized these movements in a attempt create koryu impression to daitoryu for future lessons. I am senior student of Daitoryu Takumakai in Osaka 20yrs. Sokaku was illterate so he could not teach from densho.
Dojocho 4 years ago
konnichi ha dojocho...you are right...
Real Daito ryu is Aiki in yo ho strategy...
The catalogues ( Hiden Mokuroku etc) organized more after.Sokaku Sensei was a real Warrior.he was not farmer or merchant or etc.He had a Minamato Genji DNA...He was a real genius of war...And today if someone say - i am a warrior - :)) he is not real warrior...he is just a imitator...
sobukaidojo 3 years ago
these techniques, while daito-ryu, are being done terribly...
this line of daito-ryu has lost the fundamental principals of movement.
jjnnww 4 years ago
It's not "kata," but certainly not freestyle. It's likely a belt test. They're memorizing responses to certain types of attacks... to train muscle memory so the proper response will occur instead of just flinching if an attack comes from a certain angle.
dasgregorian 4 years ago
It is kata... Daito Ryu mainly uses kata only. I do the sword styke Katori Shinto Ryu along with Aikibudo and last week I did a practise lesson Daito Ryu... it is wonderfull I tell you. The mother of Japanese Martial Arts and you definitly see the resembles.
MerlinOcelot 4 years ago
Well it is not really a Kata: more an Enbu as said in the video description... I think the difference is important: a Kata is fixed and can not be changed, whereas an Enbu is an agreed series of movements between the people doing it (there can be more than 2). That said, it is always a pleasure to see some Daito ryu ;)
jazzyslip 4 years ago
I believe it is kata, it certainly does look rehearsed
Stogie2520 4 years ago
It looks a bit like a rehearsed kata, than aiki. Did Takeda move like this?
MaxSluiman 4 years ago
first guy;s aikijujitsu is not bad but strikes are crap
second guy is pretty good
jjwmacdo 4 years ago
I am Japanese, Osaka...They are from Kondo Sensei's shibu. Ferforming from Hiden Mokuroku waza. Sorry fro bad Englash.
Dojocho 4 years ago
Ja Nihongo de; gomenasai, watashino nihongo chou waruii kedo, watashi wa gunma ken de Daito Tou Ryu renshuushimashita. Ima amerika ni renshushimasu, texasaikijujutsuDOTcom mite kudasai. DTR wa Daito Ryu des.
Anata no DTR wa "MAIN LINE" te yuu.
gambatte
adeluna106 4 years ago
Type in kana, not Romanji.
6arcsn1sky 3 years ago
to adeluna106
I am a pure Japanese.
Since I do not understand English well, I have translated with the personal computer.
What is "DTR"?
I am performing the martial art performance.
I have hung glasses.
gonntakunn 4 years ago
Who are the participants and what line of DTR is this?
adeluna106 4 years ago