At that time the head rabbi of Rome Israel Zolli converted to the Catholic faith. Don't think he would have done that if Pope Pius 12 was an anti-Semite. The Jewish community in Rome gave the Pope an award for his help during the war. Albert Einstein claimed that only the catholic church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught. Look it up.
The point is: you will find little or nothing in randomly chosen phenomena or utterings of Hitler or his henchmen (one of whom as the present Pope 'als Hitlerjugend'), that will decide whether he was Christian or not. All Germany was Christian, one way or another, and to my mind, it is the history since the Christeros War that demonstrates who the Papacy promoted and demoted in her frenetic drive to monitor world affairs... The dictators were all favourites of the Papacy, no other religion...
to Hitler knew these things. It is only the working classes who believe in the greater bullshit that the church shovels at them. Witness how even the Jesuits (including 'the Oregon Province of the Society of Jesus' (aka Northwest Jesuits), paid out 166 million dollars for buggering Indian and Alaskan children, a lot of them in colleges. It still does not take from their campaign to cover the globe with universities as in India and the US. Are we to believe they bugger nowhere else ??????
A lot of people in power, including Cardinals and Politicians, have always seen through the diet of Chalk statues that the RCC gives to the working and impoverished classes. They have always tolerated the Mediteranean Myth and the violation of the confessional in favour of the greater good of Capitalism and the ordering of a capitalist society.The would even tolerate the Jesuits, Dominicans, Franciscans -- for the greater good of Christian World Government. Most of the Dictators from Constantine
So did the factor in that Hitler wanted to take over the Vatican and destroy the church to create one that made him a God. Did they factor in that the Catholic church had its priests hide 200,000 Jews from the Germans. Or is this documentary based on a singular views looking to only snippets of information to support its predifined conclusion.
If you reflect upon the present Pope's support of Iran (because it is anti-secular) and his resistance to Turkey joining the EU (because they openly desire a secular state), you already get an idea of the truth of what John Cornwell's thesis. And if you go back to Mexico at the turn of the century -- the 'Christeros War' --, trace the Chruch's interests to the Spanish Civil war, and to Franco's helpers in Mussolini and Hitler, then the thest becomes obvious!
John Cornwell's problem is not with his thesis. I think anyone who knows anything about the history of the RCC knows of its totalitarian nature. The problem is in convincing Catholics, most of whom never read a iota of the Chruch's history or, indeed, have developed a sense of history, a critical faculty or a curiousity about Roman power. Sometimes I think it is a sine qua non of Catholic belief to be so resistant to historical enquiry. Hence the ridiculous belief in myths and miracles. . .
It's laughable how all the True Believers rush to the defense of Mother Church when confronted by this. The author is a professional historian and followed accepted historical methods. He didn't make it up or have a personal agenda. He looked at documents including many from the Vatican itself. His research is impeccable and has stood up to peer review. I'm sorry--Pope supporters---but all your screaming and temper tantrums merely proves the old saying: "Truth hurts".
@delavalmilker This is the problem with deifying human beings. The irony is that the Church has no problem demonizing the "pharisees", yet they can't handle the concept that the pope and the cardinals could fall.
The Roman Catholic Church has always hated Jews & will always do so until the day that it is gone or destroyed! But then the Catholic Church has hated Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans & Buddhists too! They are an outdated institution & in the fairly liberal times that we live in now, I believe that there is no need for such an institution. The only thing the Catholic Church is good at is protecting their paedophile priests!
@srilankansilkyshark All institutions suffer from this problem. I don't think that you are going to have more or less child abuse in the church than any other social institution which interacts with children.
Having nothing to do with the Church I cannot speak to it's good or evil, I have no love for it. However, I do not currently accept that there are no good men of conscience there.
@Enigmatik691 It is because of your unwillingness to confront this honestly and accept the guilt and penance necessary that your church has lost so much power in this world to act as agents of God's will. This is why so many men of conscience and intelligence are leaving your church. Not because of this issue, but because of the weakness of character your dishonesty engenders which corrupts your church on so many other issues.
Pope Pius XII saved hundreds of thousands Jews from 1917 massacre and Holocaust. Google: LUTHER AND PROTESTANT SUPPORT OF THE NAZI GOVERNMENT
"I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later - once we hold power - Christianity will be overcome and the German Church established. Yes, the German church, without a Pope and without the bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing." - Adolf Hitler
@BlackPhantom559 Have we succeeded? We think so. Before long we shall have covered with our narratives an enormous period of time; between the "Comtesse de Salisbury' and the "Comte de Monte Christo" five centuries and a half are compresed. Well, we assert that we have taught France as much history about those five centuries and a half as any historian. This passage is from The Companions of Jehu which was written by Alexandre Dumas pere.
@BlackPhantom559 This passage is from The Companions of Jehu--page 396--"You are ninnies! I have cheated all the time we've been playing, and you never found out. Those who lost can take their money back." Born and bred in the Catholic faith, Bonaparte had no preference for any dogma. When he re-established divine worship it was done as a political act, not as a religous one.
@BlackPhantom559 'This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of The Jesuits.' Abraham Lincoln on the Civil War 'I have learnt most of all from The Jesuit Order. A good part of that organization I have transported direct to my own party'~~~Adolph Hitler 'In Himmler, I see our Ignatius of Loyola'~~~Adolph Hitler
@BlackPhantom559 " I am not happy about the rebirth of the Jesuits. Swarms of them will present themselves with more disguises ever taken by even a chief of the Bohemians - as printers, writers, school teachers, etc. If ever an association of people deserved eternal damnation, on this earth and in hell, it is this Society of Loyola (1816).
@BlackPhantom559 " I am not happy about the rebirth of the Jesuits. Swarms of them will present themselves with more disguises ever taken by even a chief of the Bohemians - as printers, writers, school teachers, etc. If ever an association of people deserved eternal damnation, on this earth and in hell, it is this Society of Loyola (1816).
Amen!! Tell it!! Tell it!! Them catholics are nuthin but a bunch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! THATS all they are, .. just a buch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! Praise you brother for speaking the truth about those devils!!
Amen!! Tell it!!! Tell it!! Them catholics are nuthin but a bunch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! THATS all they are, .. just a bunch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! Praise you brother for speaking the truth about those devils!!
Obviously the pope is antisemitic. In order to be a christian you have to be antisemitic lol. The claim of the bible is that every christian was present at calvary and the jews are responsible for eternity. DUH
Note: Praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible (keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.).
@panicolino Its filled with lies, look at the actual history, the Jewish community gave the pope the star of David, the highest Jewish honor that can be bestowed, right after the war.
@m00se321 He was a jew loving Pope. 3,000 Jews were saved in the Popes summer house alone. and more Jewish people were saved into Rome than any other country
If you say the Pope loved Jews than I am going to tell you he hated Christians. It is the one duty of the man of God to stand for truth and oppose the community he leads when it moves to do sin. This is the one reason why we show honor to a religious man, so that he can have the power to take a stand. Even and especially at the cost of his own life.
Will you tell me that your early church martyrs risked less when they sacrificed their lives for conscience?
@tikletik I say the Pope of Rome is free to be the bridge builder, not being held by any cannon...."she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical documents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate .....even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law." ~ St Maximus the Confessor of Constantinople around 650 A.D.
I'm sorry so many Catholics hyperventilate over recent books claiming Pius XII did little about the Holocaust. However the authors have done some pretty convincing research that--at the very least---shows the Catholic Church's rather wishy-washy "opposition". Also--the terrible "Yugoslav Holocaust" where Catholic priests participated fully in the killing of Serbs and Jews. Pius was completely silent on this. And then there's the "Rat Line" that helped guys like Mengele escape after the war.
“Pie XII was the largest hero of the second world war… he saved more Jews than Roosevelt, Churchill and all those which are associated for them. It should not be a reason of litigation between the catholics and the Jews”.
GARY KRUPP ( President of the foundation "Pave the way).
This post is thoroughly biased, not based on historical facts, using simple pedjudices. The number of jewish lives Pius XII saved outnumbers Schindler's list by far. He is a true Righteous Among the Nations.
His way of saving jews, all kinds of people persecuted - among them even italian communists - was a silent one, non public, not seen by the media (except the N.Y. Times of those times, just read it, access to it is easy ! ) he worked in a hidden, almost conspirative way to save lives!
It was said that Communists were the one who spread those lies. Actually, the pope's network of helping the Jews was so clandestine and intricate that once investigated, no clues or leads would point out to Vatican. However, the backfire is that for the network to continue, those discovered were usually left to themselves. A grave sacrifice yes, but all for the better of the whole.
WWII & the Shoah are the direct result of the Vatican's disobedience to God. They were specifically requested to do certain things by God which they ignored.Thus, the bloodshed prophecied as consequence for their lack of Faith.
If you need this explained, then you are not a Catholic.....
@19lfm12 Yes, the Vatican did lack faith in times because they are nothing but men. Even if they are priests, pope etc., they are still men. They will lack faith sometimes. St. Peter once lacked faith, so did the apostles in some point in time. I'm just saying that isn't it a bit much to blame the Vatican for the wrongs of the past of which they themselves have no involvement or obligation.
@avatarspirit57 We are speaking of not just mere weak faith, but of deception. Wolves in sheep's clothing; the majority of bishops & priests for 1700 years. Very few truly believed in God much less LIVED what Jesus taught. If you do not live it, you have NO faith!
Do you need a history lesson? The cooperation between Vatican & state goes back over 1000 years.
WWII & Shoah are the direct result of the disobedience of the Vatican to God, as per the requests given via Mary.
Even if the pope thinks God only goes by a religion who serves himself, in this world, such threatening prejustistity has only been proven to cause chaos, I'd rather have the word of God spread without such chaos and threatening life style.
@abc1000001 Well I am not exactly sure what did happen, but you have to admit that there was something funny about the pope meeting Hitler that often, no man at that point could reject Hitler's wishes while being so close, it would mean certain death easy. Most people have been controlled by fear to contradict and forsake there religion concepts, and maybe that pope was one of the ones controlled by fear, and of the struggle to remain his power without such communist interference.
The Nuncio shook his head and said“I would be very, very much mistaken in thinking that all this could end well.This man is completely obsessed; all that is not of use to him, he destroys; all that he says and writes carries the mark of his egocentricity; this man is capable of trampling on corpses and eliminating all that obstructs him.I cannot understand how many in Germany, even among the best people do not understand and are not able to draw the lesson from what he writes and saysPart 11
Cornwell presents Pacelli as Hitler's pope; however, the following is what Pacelli said to Sr. Pascalina about Hitler in 1929 — four years before Hitler came to power: On one occasion I asked the Nuncio if he did not think that this man could have some good in him, and that just as Mussolini had benefited Italy, so also he [Hitler] could perhaps help the German people.Part 10
Cornwell relies substantially on Lewy and Friedldnder, both of whose books were severely criticized by many specialists, including the theologian Henri de Lubac. De Lubac said Friedldnder's “book falls rather under the province of pamphleteer literature, about which one critic has said that the method followed is nothing but a 'falsification of historical truth as superficial as it is irresponsible.'” Part 9
He personally interrogated the top Nazi criminals judged at the Nuremberg Trials and acquainted himself with all the documents regarding the Hitler regime. Kempner defended Pius XII against attacks that had already been made, declared that any public protest would have been useless, and not only dismissed curtly Rolf Hochhuth's play, The Deputy, but also the books of Guenter Lewy and Saul Friedldnder, who had “not provided any reason for changing his standpoint.” Part 8
Among the many scholarly works that Cornwell should have consulted is that of the Hungarian Jewish author Jeno Levai's Hungarian Jewry and the Papacy.Levai used the Significant subtitle “Pope Pius XII did not remain silent” and asked Dr. Robert M.W. Kempner, formerly deputy chief U.S. prosecutor at Nuremberg, to write a prologue and an epilogue to his book. Kempner was Jewish and a famous lawyer in Berlin who, when the Nazis came into power, went to the United States. Part 7
When it was pointed out to him that other publications such as those by Professor Ludwig Volk are far more reliable Cornwell stated that “Scholder's reputation as a Church historian is unchallenged in German Scholarship.”Such a statement reveals that Cornwell is unaware of the high-level discussion in which Scholder's work has been severely criticized. Part 6
The classic work of Professor Heinz Hftrten, Deutsche Katholiken 1918-1945 (German Catholics 1918-1945), is quoted only once, and then wrongly. Of the more than 40 highly documented volumes published by the Kommission fur Zeitgeschichte, Cornwell refers to only one or two. In most cases, Cornwell refers to archival or other sources as “Quoted by Scholder,” a noted German Church historian and professor at the university in Tuebingen, Germany.Part 5
All these statements are false and were declared as such in an official and authoritative statement issued by the Vatican in l'Osservatore Romano on October 13. The list of abbreviations and archival sources Cornwell provides is extremely meager, containing entries that are not archival sources at all. Scores of archives and scholarly works that should have been consulted are omitted. Most of those quoted are from secondary sources, and even these are extremely selective. Part 4
Before publication of the book, an article appeared in the Sunday Times, in which Cornwell (who has no academic degrees in history, law, or theology) said he was the first and only person ever to be granted permission to visit the archive of the Vatican secretariat of state, had worked there for months on end, and discovered an unknown and highly compromising letter written by Pacelli on April 18, 1917, which, according to him, had lain there hidden as a timebomb. Part 3
Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933, and thus the caption suggests that Pacelli paid a visit in 1939 to a high-ranking Nazi official and was saluted by two Nazi soldiers. However, Pacelli left Germany in 1929 and never returned. He was elected pope on March 2, 1939, and therefore could not be in Berlin during that period. Part 2
Some facts for you haters: On the dust jacket of the English edition of the book is a picture of the then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli, apostolic nuncio at Berlin, leaving a German government building saluted by two soldiers. The photograph is quite tendentious, but what is worse is the caption: “Cover photograph shows Cardinal Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII, leaving the presidential palace in Berlin, March 1939.” caption is not only totally wrong but seriously misleading.Part 1
Of course the CBC would buy this bunk. Thankfully, there are people out there who will ignore this garbage. You can bet that the CBC would never try to get a historian with the proof that this book is simply a fabricated attack on the Church. I quote Rabbi David Dalin’s The Myth of Hitler’s Pope stated that people are trying to, "exploit the tragedy of the Jewish people during the Holocaust to foster their own political agenda of forcing changes on the Catholic Church today.”
The Catholic church blamed Jews for the Black Plague in 1348. Today, the Pope sits on a golden commode from gold stolen from the Inca Indians. Learn history and don't be willingly ignorant. (Doesn't mean all Catholics are bad. A lot of good people were under the Nazi regime and members.)
This video makes me laugh and judging by its 3000 odd viewings doesnt hold much strength either.
The Vatican wasnt going to take on the Nazi war machine, it was simply trying to save itself from subdugation and destruction, the german popePius used this to his advantage to become pope.
The vatican's only god is the devil, so naturally the nazis and the vatican go hand in hand. Over the course of history the vatican has KILLED millions upon millions of people as did the nazis.
and if yo ulook at the church of today its still under these kinda rules look at the pope you have today look at his life and times when he was in his teens into his mid 20s he was a hitler youth guy
I feel that I have not had a chance to explain myself. You blocked me as I was writing a message that explained my views of the church. Whether you agree with them or not I have good reason to believe what I do.
John Cornwell is an anti-catholic biggot. 'Hitlers Pope" lies before you see the first page. The photo on the cover was taken in 1929. No Hitler. Some versions of the book state the photo was taken in 1939. Lies. Pius never met with Hitler.
Try reading 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope' by Rabbi David G. Dalin. Thats right he is Jewish.
As Vatican Nuncio to Germany - later as Secretary of State for the Holy See - Pius met with Hitler.
..and various Nazi officials.
Your buddy Josef Alois Ratzinger has denied & rebuked God...never mind the Holocaust, which he blamed on God.
In truth, the blame for WWII & the Shoah falls to the Vatican Masters - for their disobedience to God. Though the die was long since cast in '39 when Pacelli became pope.
Has he...denied the existence of God,,,the Divinity of Christ.....or made any remarks which could possibly be construed as legitimately blasphemous?
No. He has said nothing against or derogatory of the key elements of the Catholic faith.
He has justly criticized the words, deeds & motives of PiusXII, based upon solid historical research - which he approached with a very open & objective mind, as a scholar.
His mind was set before he began. His book's lies start at the cover and he has recently renounced most of his own book due to the overwhelming evidence against it. People like John Cornwell and Susan Zuccotti have hijacked the tragedy of the holocaust to create conspiracy lies against a saintly man who just happened to lead an institution who's social teaching they do not agree with. The only thing they can gather against him is that there is little written documentation to prove he had...
There are far more damaging conspiratorial aspects to the Vatican's guilt in re WWII & the Shoah then this book.......
As to "saintly'....that is can only be judged by externals revealing the constancy in faith of a man. Little errors are forgiven; not those which result in the death of millions.
He shares guilt for WWII & Shoah with his two predecessors & in house Administrators - for being disobedient to God.
anything to do with the massive sacrifices made by the clergy to save and protect Jews. This is idiotic. Every single clergy member that worked against Hitler and protected Jews SWEAR their orders came directly from Pius. The church did not keep any records of their underground movements because documents that fell into the hand of the Nazi's would expose hidden Jews. If you expect it to have done publicly with huge paper trails your STUPID.
There were no such 'massive sacrifices by the clergy to save Jews". It was courageous individual efforts - of a profound minority of Catholic clerics & religious. This was of their own initiative as Christians, based upon personal true faith & conscience.
Any evidence that this was coordinated by Pius is a modern fabrication by Opus Dei or its ancillaries.
Most clerics were silent; many for in favor of the Nazi regime & cooperated with it.
Pius was universally praised as the greatest protector of the Jews unit recently. It pathetic and anti-Semitic to try and take blame from Hitler and place it on an innocent man who did all in his power.
The liberal media is slandering a holy and courageous man to sell books. It is pathetic. Many Jewish intellectuals have called it a form of holocaust denial. Try reading a real book that is honest and open minded. 'Hitler's Pope' is not. Cornwell has denounced his own book. You shouldn't need any more proof than that.
@19lfm12 Of course he has to be silent. But being silent does not mean he didn't actually do anything against the Holocaust. He knew his words would fall on deaf ears, so what he did was just do something about the problem without saying a word instead of grumbling regarding it.
@avatarspirit57 When one knows of evil, one has a moral duty to make it cease, or at least condemn it. What little Pacelli 'did' was too little & too late.
Nor did he make any condemnations post war. And then we have the Ratlines, which are factual history......and the work of the Opus Dei which he approved of.
Pius XII was the 1st pope to give papal approval to Opus Dei - a cherished goal of Escriva. The Opus wants to make him a 'saint', to trade on his ultra-rigid orthodoxy & legitimize it.
...never mind that such attitude is incongruent with Christ & the Gospel!
Thus the campaign to silence ANY criticism of Pius is an Opus Dei operation - regardless of the name or group involved. It is part of a long range goal to legitimize the un-Christian...as "Christian".
This video opens stating that Cornwell's book proves Pius was an anti-Semitic and that he collaborated with Hitler. Clearly lies. Cornwell has said "...in the light of the debates and evidence... it is impossible to judge the motives for his silence during the war...". That is a BIG, HUGE turnaround from anti Semitic and Nazi collaborator. That's one step away form saying "I was completely wrong." 'Hitler's Pope' is a LIE.
When Pius died, he was REVERED by the Jewish community.
People like Zuccotti have even said that Christianity is inherently anti-Semitic and then went on to defend the followers of Islam even though 59% of Palestinians are supportive of attacks against Israel. They are anti-Catholic, 'liberal minded' bigots.
It is the Roman Catholic Church organization which invented anti-Semetism. Making it de dacto doctrine & teaching it intergenerationally for centuries. By conditioning the laity to hold a demonic viewpoint, contrary to the Gospel, the Vatican laid the spiritual foundation for Naziism.
There is no justification in blanket condemnations of Islam.
But Fanaticism is not of God....be it from a Christian, Jewish or Islamic source.
"There is no justification in blanket condemnations of Islam. "
Never said their was.
You either need to prove what you claim or zip it. The historical record shows that the papacy was one of the only freinds the Jews had through out history. We have documention of this starting as far back as the 6th century with Pope Gregory the Great.
You obviously fear the facts. Or else you would not have blocked me.
You lie. I never supported Williamson and neither did the Pope. If you had not blocked me I would have sent you a message explaining my relationship with the church and my understanding of it. Your are putting words in my mouth. That libel.
The comments were posted by yourself - and can be easily found. Attempts to justify what Ratz did are equivalent of supporting his words & actions, which gave official Vatican legitimacy to Williamson.
If you are now going to try to rewrite the history of this past year & claim that Ratz never supported Williamson, then it is yourself who is lying.
He did - and that is a factual matter readily supported by news accounts....which are plastered ALL OVER YT.
All he did was un-excommunicate the whole group of ex-catholics that were under him. Thats not support for his personal veiws. He was never made a Bishop agian. The Pope clearly expessed his veiws on anti-semetism.
Ratzinger officially rehabilitated Williamson, lifted the excommunication ban against him, placed by JPII in 1988. This did not apply to the entire SSPX group.
As former head of the CDF when this ban was placed in 1988, Ratz knew very well who WIlliamson was - & as they specialize in the information business, they - and Ratz himself - were fully aware of what Williamson speaks & writes.
Thus, Ratz knowingly supported a Holocaust denier Bishop.
@JDZwiers19. you are absolutely correct. this was a major error by this pope. i am of no religeon but some of the strange decisions made, by all of the faiths, makes one wonder about the clarity of thinking among the hierachies.
I don't think it was a very big error. The man wasn't congratulated for his views, his excommunication was just lifted. That's it. He denied the holocaust which makes him a prick, but not a heretic. He wasn't given any power back, he was just allowed to rejoin the church. People have blown it way out of proportion. Being a shmuck is not sufficient for excommunication.
The Pope was thinking about all the people involved and probably overlooked williamson. SO WHAT. He has not been fully rehabilitated. The Pope has expressed his veiws and apologized. You are using this as a weapon to support your own prejudice. Wrongly I might add.
Josef Alois Ratzginer, who sits 'on the Throne of Moses' knew full well who & what Williamson & his ilk were about. Nothing was 'overlooked'. Thus, he scandalized ppl.
"Woe to you that call evil good & good evil..."
"Whoever shall scandalize one of these little ones who believe in Me, it would be better if a millstone were hung on his neck & he be cast into the sea..."
The only thing you have to support that is the fact that he lifted the excommunication on a man who thinks the holocaust is over exaggerated? Benedict has made huge strides in inter-religous cooperation and you use this one event to ignore the rest. Everyone has forgotten it except bitter Protestants.
I am going to hell because I follow him?
Peter was the first to deny Christ and yet he was chosen to lead. You judge as if you were God. Woe is you...
Your page claims I am your brother yet you spit in my face with every post. Or maybe you make an exception with Catholics and didn't say. I would be surprised but the Bible mentioned something like this might happen.
Many Atheists & Agnostics have more comprehension of the core teachings of Christ (which are at the heart of his Gospel...and thus are the Rock of true faith), as Christ himself indicated.......then many so-called 'religious people'.
Being a devoted pew sitter or member of this or that 'group' does not guarantee a free ticket to heaven.
I believe that there is corruption within the Church. Always has been, always will be. There will always be Judases. Any denomination you could belong to will be no different. Martin Luther had some good points. You could even say he helped inspire the council of Trent. Problem is he got full of himself and made himself Pope.
I feel angry, I feel frustrated, but most of all I feel sad. I have more enlightening discussions with unbelievers. That is a real tragedy. It is the work of Satan that puts you at odds with me. I wish you could see that. I am trying to defend something you attempt to destroy. You are damaging the very thing you claim to be a part of. Satan would like nothing better than to have us tear the church to the ground.
"According to several journalists who have worked independently on Opus Dei, such as John Allen, Jr., Vittorio Messori,[Patrice de Plunkett, Maggy Whitehouse, Noam Friedlander, many of the criticisms against Opus Dei are myths and unproven tales."
You are ignorant. You have bought into the exaggerated myths of a liberal culture of death that has it in for the Christ's church. I could recommend history books and articles that make your delusions seem laughable but I get the feeling it would be a waste of time. If you ever wish to extend a hand of friendship and tolerance you know where to find me.
Before I go I will recommend three more books, as futile as that may be. 'How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization' by Thomas Woods. It doesn't hide the Church's mistakes but shares its triumphs. Also 'Rome Sweet Home' and 'Reasons to believe' by Scott Hahn.
Books written by ex-protestants that know the gospel inside and out. People that learned the truth by years or research and study and prayer. You would do well to give them credit.
But you can't even read a book written by Jew if it says something nice about the Church.
But what ever. Catholic haters today were Jew haters 60 years ago.
Yes - ex-Protestants indeed, who all became Opus Dei members. Thus imbibing the Leaven of the Pharisees, which any true Christian wants nothing to do with as it is contrary to the Gospel.
I will give them credit for one thing only: serving Satan.
For they are collaborating in the construction of the False Christ.
Read the book about how pope John Paul I died & Vatican's connection to the Mafia ("In God's Name" by David Yallop).
Western civilization had a lot of other people to keep it going. Vatican's role is exagerated.
Why does the pope need gaudy dresses, lavish palaces, a huge hierarchy of officials & an army of pedophile priests to serve him, when Jesus lived humbly? Is the pope higher than Jesus? Think about these. It is not good to blindly follow any hierarchy.
Yallop is a regular John Cornwell. A juicy conspiracy is always more interesting then the truth. Heck, everyone knows the first moon landing was staged.
The fact you would say something as stupid as "an army of pedophile priests" makes you about as objective as any other conspiracy theorist I have ever spoken to.
The Pope wears robes but works like slave until he dies. Ya, that really is the life of luxury. Especially when your 80 +.
The fact that you would be stupid enough to completely ignore all the pedophilia that has come to light among the priests shows that you are nothing more than a brainwashed cult member & catholicism is nothing more than a vicious cult.
Yes, I know the pope works like a slave; he has to in order to cover up all the terrible child abuse that regularly come to light.
Pedophilia is a problem that plagues every institution on earth. There is no evidence to suggest that the rates of offenders are higher among catholic clergy. The media coverage is un-proportionate to the amount of incidents. There is plenty of evidence to support this. If you like I will give you some sources.
But you don't care about facts do you. You are all about the hype. You should focus your attention on the moral degradation of society that has lead to this epidemic and stop trying to scapegoat the Church.
Don't ever suggest that I would completely ignore something as horrible as pedophilia. As a father I have nothing but sympathy for the victims. I am glad that Pope Benedict is brave enough to address the problem even in the face of unfair and sometimes quite irrational media attacks.
The Vatican is steeped in occultism at the highest level and it is a common practice for child abuse in their sadistic rituals... The evidence is in the witness of the thousands of abused children who are still suffering and the millions of dollars spent to keep them silent... The procedure of the Vatican is to protect the abusers and they just continue. The Vatican is from Rome and is the modern Babylonian religion from Egyptian times..IHS; Isis Horace Seb...Egyptian Trinity.
Listen, worst case scenario I am a misguided fool who has put his faith in the wrong hands. I have no malice towards anyone and have faith in Christ. If you were a true Christian you would listen to what I have to say and patiently try to correct me. All you have done is call me a liar and an anti-Semitic fanatic. You have not given me any evidence to convince me. I have tried to present you with facts.
Your blocking me is a sign of fear and discrimination. It is not what Jesus would do.
The historical record - clearly shows a vast divide between such pitiful cheap words of certain popes, 'defending Jews' - & the Vatican condoned actions of bishops, priests, laity & cooperative civil authorities through the centuries.
The Church taught Anti-Semtism & justified persecution of the Jews for nearly 1700 years as de facto doctrine. It can neither escape the judgement of history, nor that of God.
@19lfm12 I have to disagree, anti-Semitism was generally not a doctrine of the Church. If you look at the history of Catholicism itself, most doctrines followed by Catholics (including the Ten Commandments) are actually of Jewish origin. Christianity was actually planned out as a "Reformation" movement for Judaism. However, all talks ended when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. Since then, Judaism and Christianity parted ways.
@avatarspirit57 It is irrelevant whether anti-Semetism was/was not de jure doctrine in this or that era. It was so de facto; intergenerationally. Jews were both officially & unofficially villified & blamed for the death of Christ. Scapegoated for the Black Death & murdered. Then there were the fun Inquisitions.....
Trying to deny the Catholic role in anti-semetism is dishonest.
Pius XII is not soley responsible for WWII; the fault lies with his two immediate predecessors who did much to enable it. Both by what they did - and failed to do.
BUT Pius XII's virtual silence in the face of the Nazi regime & its atrocities is damning. As the Vatican has the largest diplomatic network - he knew what was happening. He would have known of the camps.
That book you reference is the doing of Opus Dei - not surprisingly......
1. Pius is very important to the Opus, as he officially 'legitimized' it (...the fool!), & they want prominent 'saints' to reinforce their 'legitimacy'.
2. Authors can be bribed.....encouraged...or feeble minded enough to do as they are told.
3. Pius' silence was deafening - & he was very close to the German Catholic politics which brought Hitler to official power.
Ummmm.... not convinced. It is clear that the Vaticano didn't stand up to Hitler as they should...but the catholic people are separate from the Vaticano. Even the actions of some priests + nuns during the war were completely removed from the stand that the Vatican did/did not take. Generalizations are the arguments of fools. Is the catholic church anti semitic? Well, is the catholic church anti gay and anti women? Of course they are. Where is the revelation?
It is very true that the Catholic laity cannot be blamed for what the Vatican & bishops did.
Many lay ppl made heroic efforts to save Jews - and paid with their lives. But NOT the hierarchy!
Note that the only Catholics who went to the camps were those who opposed the Nazis and/or tried to help those who were persecuted! These were the true Christians....
« Pave the way » proposera Pie XII comme « Juste parmi les nations »
La fondation a l'objectif d'éliminer les obstacles entre les religions
ROME, Vendredi 3 Juillet 2009 (ZENIT) - La Fondation Pave the way (PTWF) a annoncé son intention de proposer à Yad Vashem, le mémorial de l'Holocauste à Jérusalem, la remise du titre de « Juste parmi les nations » à Eugenio Pacelli, le pape Pie XII.
Eric Jon Phelps in his book and DVD, "Vatican Assassins" asserts that the Jesuits wrote Mein Kampf. (NOTE: Mein Kampf was never on Rome's list of forbidden books, before or after Hitler's death.)
And it is also stated by another author how the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was penned by a Roman Catholic lawyer, Maurice Joly (John Toland, "Adolf Hitler," 1976.)
Eric Jon Phelps is full of it. He works for an Israeli diamond company and also sells 'new-age' 'healing crystals' and 'special water' among other bullshit things on his website (Lowvehm)
I agree that MK and the Protocols were hoaxes (deliberately misleading) though.
There was also a VERY interesting book, sent to each bishop who attended Vatican II: 'The Plot Against the Church' by Maurice Pinay (a pseudonym). 720 pages of racism; blaming everything & anything on the Jews. Including Communism & many other 'modern perils'; & citing the Jews as the 'evil enemies of the Church'. The purpose: to make it appear that the liberalization to come via Vatican II was a "Jewish plot".
The Roman Catholic theology is anti-Semitic in its nature. It is based on the church fathers anti-Semitic replacement theology. The goal to the replacement theology is to destroy Israel and the Jews.
Mr Cornwell has never discreditted his own book, the only organisiation that has said he has, is of course Roman Catholic bodies that are terrified of the consequences of this good honest man's work.
Actually he has. He has admitted that the book isn't totally accurate. Every respectable historian in the world has discredited the book, the author has discredited the book. I t is only stupid anti-Catholic bigots who still believe anything in this book!
From what source did he discredit his own thorough research and primary material straight from the Vatican archives? He is a historian. For someone who is an IRA apologist and claims to uphold Marxist beliefs and does not practice Catholicism, you are very determined that the Catholic church isn't disgraced. You can't bear the truth about this evil church. Only Romanist organisations are telling the world he discredited his own work, give me the evidence, is their a video on you-tube?
"From what source did he discredit his own thorough research"
In an article in The Economist, in 2004, he states: "I would now argue, in the light of the debates and evidence following 'Hitler's Pope', that Pius XII had so little scope of action that it is impossible to judge the motives for his silence during the war, while Rome was under the heel of Mussolini and later occupied by the Germans."
That was the Catholic League that made that quote up and put it about. Cornwell has had death threats from the Catholic Church and the Jesuits, such is their power, money and wealth. There is an abundance of historical data and archives, pictures, newsreels that link the Vatican quite clearly with the Nazi's and the Holocaust. The Catholic church has been persecuting Jews for hundreds of years. Catholic Croatia under Ante Pavelic ,, murdered Serbs, Jews, where catholic priests did the killings.
One article from the Economist is scant evidence. There is scores of evidence linking the Vatican with the Nazis, you have scores of ex-catholic vatican workers, priests, nuns and jesuits that have exposed this evil organisation. Alberto Rivero had 4 attempts on his life before he was finally murdered for exposing the jesuits.
"One article from the Economist is scant evidence"
It is an article were Cornwell accepts that his book was flawed! No more evidence needs to appear! The author has discredited his own work..... end of story
He never discredited his work only Catholic organisations have said that he discredited his work. There is much much more evidence of Roman Catholic Nazi involvement, Cornwell is only a tiny example of this. It is you that is deluded about your church - a church that has a history of genocide, anti-semitism and currently has a massive problem regarding sex abuse cases.
No it is you that is making a fool of yourself. You can't look at all other clear evidence, but instead cling to this garbage that Cornwell discredited his own work. No No NO NO and NO again
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At that time the head rabbi of Rome Israel Zolli converted to the Catholic faith. Don't think he would have done that if Pope Pius 12 was an anti-Semite. The Jewish community in Rome gave the Pope an award for his help during the war. Albert Einstein claimed that only the catholic church protested against the Hitlerian onslaught. Look it up.
realdeal2449 3 days ago
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watch "Pius XII and the Jews" by Michael Voris on YouTube.
2479sunny 1 month ago
The point is: you will find little or nothing in randomly chosen phenomena or utterings of Hitler or his henchmen (one of whom as the present Pope 'als Hitlerjugend'), that will decide whether he was Christian or not. All Germany was Christian, one way or another, and to my mind, it is the history since the Christeros War that demonstrates who the Papacy promoted and demoted in her frenetic drive to monitor world affairs... The dictators were all favourites of the Papacy, no other religion...
sbreathnach100 1 month ago
to Hitler knew these things. It is only the working classes who believe in the greater bullshit that the church shovels at them. Witness how even the Jesuits (including 'the Oregon Province of the Society of Jesus' (aka Northwest Jesuits), paid out 166 million dollars for buggering Indian and Alaskan children, a lot of them in colleges. It still does not take from their campaign to cover the globe with universities as in India and the US. Are we to believe they bugger nowhere else ??????
sbreathnach100 1 month ago
A lot of people in power, including Cardinals and Politicians, have always seen through the diet of Chalk statues that the RCC gives to the working and impoverished classes. They have always tolerated the Mediteranean Myth and the violation of the confessional in favour of the greater good of Capitalism and the ordering of a capitalist society.The would even tolerate the Jesuits, Dominicans, Franciscans -- for the greater good of Christian World Government. Most of the Dictators from Constantine
sbreathnach100 1 month ago
So did the factor in that Hitler wanted to take over the Vatican and destroy the church to create one that made him a God. Did they factor in that the Catholic church had its priests hide 200,000 Jews from the Germans. Or is this documentary based on a singular views looking to only snippets of information to support its predifined conclusion.
AlexSpartan 1 month ago
If you reflect upon the present Pope's support of Iran (because it is anti-secular) and his resistance to Turkey joining the EU (because they openly desire a secular state), you already get an idea of the truth of what John Cornwell's thesis. And if you go back to Mexico at the turn of the century -- the 'Christeros War' --, trace the Chruch's interests to the Spanish Civil war, and to Franco's helpers in Mussolini and Hitler, then the thest becomes obvious!
sbreathnach100 1 month ago
Israel named a Park AFTER Pope Pius X11 FOR his great work in saving many, many Jews during WW2 , called PACELLI FOREST.
'They' just are playing the victim card yet again.
Meanwhile Israel today runs a Concentration Camp in Gaza.
StSimonMartyr 1 month ago
John Cornwell's problem is not with his thesis. I think anyone who knows anything about the history of the RCC knows of its totalitarian nature. The problem is in convincing Catholics, most of whom never read a iota of the Chruch's history or, indeed, have developed a sense of history, a critical faculty or a curiousity about Roman power. Sometimes I think it is a sine qua non of Catholic belief to be so resistant to historical enquiry. Hence the ridiculous belief in myths and miracles. . .
sbreathnach100 1 month ago
Cornwell is a moron. Read the Jewish sources.
CatholicCreed 1 month ago
@CatholicCreed After what happened to the jews they might just be a little biased.Not disagreeing with what your saying. Just saying.
CANADAPLOW 3 weeks ago
It's laughable how all the True Believers rush to the defense of Mother Church when confronted by this. The author is a professional historian and followed accepted historical methods. He didn't make it up or have a personal agenda. He looked at documents including many from the Vatican itself. His research is impeccable and has stood up to peer review. I'm sorry--Pope supporters---but all your screaming and temper tantrums merely proves the old saying: "Truth hurts".
delavalmilker 2 months ago
@delavalmilker This is the problem with deifying human beings. The irony is that the Church has no problem demonizing the "pharisees", yet they can't handle the concept that the pope and the cardinals could fall.
tikletik 2 months ago
The Roman Catholic Church has always hated Jews & will always do so until the day that it is gone or destroyed! But then the Catholic Church has hated Protestants, Muslims, Hindus, Pagans & Buddhists too! They are an outdated institution & in the fairly liberal times that we live in now, I believe that there is no need for such an institution. The only thing the Catholic Church is good at is protecting their paedophile priests!
srilankansilkyshark 3 months ago
@srilankansilkyshark All institutions suffer from this problem. I don't think that you are going to have more or less child abuse in the church than any other social institution which interacts with children.
Having nothing to do with the Church I cannot speak to it's good or evil, I have no love for it. However, I do not currently accept that there are no good men of conscience there.
tikletik 2 months ago
Garbage documentary by the same anti catholic bigots.
Enigmatik691 4 months ago
@Enigmatik691 It is because of your unwillingness to confront this honestly and accept the guilt and penance necessary that your church has lost so much power in this world to act as agents of God's will. This is why so many men of conscience and intelligence are leaving your church. Not because of this issue, but because of the weakness of character your dishonesty engenders which corrupts your church on so many other issues.
tikletik 2 months ago
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Pope Pius XII saved hundreds of thousands Jews from 1917 massacre and Holocaust. Google: LUTHER AND PROTESTANT SUPPORT OF THE NAZI GOVERNMENT
"I do insist on the certainty that sooner or later - once we hold power - Christianity will be overcome and the German Church established. Yes, the German church, without a Pope and without the bible, and Luther, if he could be with us, would give us his blessing." - Adolf Hitler
ghb38 4 months ago
@BlackPhantom559 Have we succeeded? We think so. Before long we shall have covered with our narratives an enormous period of time; between the "Comtesse de Salisbury' and the "Comte de Monte Christo" five centuries and a half are compresed. Well, we assert that we have taught France as much history about those five centuries and a half as any historian. This passage is from The Companions of Jehu which was written by Alexandre Dumas pere.
uriahheep108 4 months ago
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@BlackPhantom559 This passage is from The Companions of Jehu--page 396--"You are ninnies! I have cheated all the time we've been playing, and you never found out. Those who lost can take their money back." Born and bred in the Catholic faith, Bonaparte had no preference for any dogma. When he re-established divine worship it was done as a political act, not as a religous one.
uriahheep108 4 months ago
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@BlackPhantom559 'This war would never have been possible without the sinister influence of The Jesuits.' Abraham Lincoln on the Civil War 'I have learnt most of all from The Jesuit Order. A good part of that organization I have transported direct to my own party'~~~Adolph Hitler 'In Himmler, I see our Ignatius of Loyola'~~~Adolph Hitler
uriahheep108 4 months ago
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@BlackPhantom559 " I am not happy about the rebirth of the Jesuits. Swarms of them will present themselves with more disguises ever taken by even a chief of the Bohemians - as printers, writers, school teachers, etc. If ever an association of people deserved eternal damnation, on this earth and in hell, it is this Society of Loyola (1816).
--John Adams
uriahheep108 4 months ago
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@BlackPhantom559 " I am not happy about the rebirth of the Jesuits. Swarms of them will present themselves with more disguises ever taken by even a chief of the Bohemians - as printers, writers, school teachers, etc. If ever an association of people deserved eternal damnation, on this earth and in hell, it is this Society of Loyola (1816).
--John Adams
uriahheep108 4 months ago
It's funny that he does not talk about the contents of the Concordat.
bradleyjm44 7 months ago
FUCK YOU HATERS!!!!
TheLemrak 9 months ago
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Amen!! Tell it!! Tell it!! Them catholics are nuthin but a bunch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! THATS all they are, .. just a buch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! Praise you brother for speaking the truth about those devils!!
billyboy222ify 10 months ago
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Amen!! Tell it!!! Tell it!! Them catholics are nuthin but a bunch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! THATS all they are, .. just a bunch of kike-killing nazi pedophile child-fuckers!! Praise you brother for speaking the truth about those devils!!
billyboy222ify 10 months ago
Jozef Tiso - SLOVAKIA! very, very sad story!!!
2naTTerass 10 months ago
Obviously the pope is antisemitic. In order to be a christian you have to be antisemitic lol. The claim of the bible is that every christian was present at calvary and the jews are responsible for eternity. DUH
XforeverlongingX 10 months ago
Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
Note: Praying in a right form,following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible (keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.).
diptdipt 11 months ago
I'm gonna read his book!
panicolino 11 months ago
@panicolino Its filled with lies, look at the actual history, the Jewish community gave the pope the star of David, the highest Jewish honor that can be bestowed, right after the war.
gtepp031387 11 months ago
@gtepp031387 YES its true!!!!,,German Media during the WAR called him the JEW loving Pope!!
m00se321 10 months ago
@m00se321 He was a jew loving Pope. 3,000 Jews were saved in the Popes summer house alone. and more Jewish people were saved into Rome than any other country
gtepp031387 10 months ago
@gtepp031387
If you say the Pope loved Jews than I am going to tell you he hated Christians. It is the one duty of the man of God to stand for truth and oppose the community he leads when it moves to do sin. This is the one reason why we show honor to a religious man, so that he can have the power to take a stand. Even and especially at the cost of his own life.
Will you tell me that your early church martyrs risked less when they sacrificed their lives for conscience?
tikletik 2 months ago
@tikletik I say the Pope of Rome is free to be the bridge builder, not being held by any cannon...."she is subject to no writings or issues in synodical documents, on account of the eminence of her pontificate .....even as in all these things all are equally subject to her (the Church of Rome) according to sacerodotal law." ~ St Maximus the Confessor of Constantinople around 650 A.D.
gtepp031387 2 months ago
Who gives a rats ass anyway, huh ?!! Fuck the joos!! HIEL HITLER!!!!
voluminoushead888 11 months ago
@voluminoushead888
Fucking Nazi pig.
1Venom859 10 months ago
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I'm sorry so many Catholics hyperventilate over recent books claiming Pius XII did little about the Holocaust. However the authors have done some pretty convincing research that--at the very least---shows the Catholic Church's rather wishy-washy "opposition". Also--the terrible "Yugoslav Holocaust" where Catholic priests participated fully in the killing of Serbs and Jews. Pius was completely silent on this. And then there's the "Rat Line" that helped guys like Mengele escape after the war.
zooeyhall 1 year ago
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“Pie XII was the largest hero of the second world war… he saved more Jews than Roosevelt, Churchill and all those which are associated for them. It should not be a reason of litigation between the catholics and the Jews”.
GARY KRUPP ( President of the foundation "Pave the way).
francineraymonde 1 year ago
SHITler vowed to the pope that each day one or more priests would be BEHEADED until the vatican surrendered to the nazi regime. That's the truth.
EGMAG 1 year ago
@EGMAG No!!! Hitler was a ROMAN CATHOLIC PAWN of Rome. He was GROOMED, as was Fidel Castro, to lead all to ROMANISM~~ This is a fact!
Taharah007 1 year ago
3:04 Did he say "Center Potty?" xD
Introspective91 1 year ago
This post is thoroughly biased, not based on historical facts, using simple pedjudices. The number of jewish lives Pius XII saved outnumbers Schindler's list by far. He is a true Righteous Among the Nations.
His way of saving jews, all kinds of people persecuted - among them even italian communists - was a silent one, non public, not seen by the media (except the N.Y. Times of those times, just read it, access to it is easy ! ) he worked in a hidden, almost conspirative way to save lives!
2lipsonmy0rgan 1 year ago
It was said that Communists were the one who spread those lies. Actually, the pope's network of helping the Jews was so clandestine and intricate that once investigated, no clues or leads would point out to Vatican. However, the backfire is that for the network to continue, those discovered were usually left to themselves. A grave sacrifice yes, but all for the better of the whole.
avatarspirit57 1 year ago
@avatarspirit57 All roads in this lead to the Vatican...
WWII & the Shoah are the direct result of the Vatican's disobedience to God. They were specifically requested to do certain things by God which they ignored.Thus, the bloodshed prophecied as consequence for their lack of Faith.
If you need this explained, then you are not a Catholic.....
19lfm12 1 year ago
@19lfm12 Yes, the Vatican did lack faith in times because they are nothing but men. Even if they are priests, pope etc., they are still men. They will lack faith sometimes. St. Peter once lacked faith, so did the apostles in some point in time. I'm just saying that isn't it a bit much to blame the Vatican for the wrongs of the past of which they themselves have no involvement or obligation.
avatarspirit57 1 year ago
@avatarspirit57 We are speaking of not just mere weak faith, but of deception. Wolves in sheep's clothing; the majority of bishops & priests for 1700 years. Very few truly believed in God much less LIVED what Jesus taught. If you do not live it, you have NO faith!
Do you need a history lesson? The cooperation between Vatican & state goes back over 1000 years.
WWII & Shoah are the direct result of the disobedience of the Vatican to God, as per the requests given via Mary.
19lfm12 1 year ago 2
Even if the pope thinks God only goes by a religion who serves himself, in this world, such threatening prejustistity has only been proven to cause chaos, I'd rather have the word of God spread without such chaos and threatening life style.
TheRevenantStudios 1 year ago
John Cornwell, you are the most despicable crook who ever existed. My family is Jewish and they got out of Yugoslavia thanks to Pope Pius XII.
mgrosenstein 1 year ago
There is a lot more proof that Cornwell's book is false...see catholiceducationdotorg/articles/arts/al0039dothtml
abc1000001 1 year ago
@abc1000001 Well I am not exactly sure what did happen, but you have to admit that there was something funny about the pope meeting Hitler that often, no man at that point could reject Hitler's wishes while being so close, it would mean certain death easy. Most people have been controlled by fear to contradict and forsake there religion concepts, and maybe that pope was one of the ones controlled by fear, and of the struggle to remain his power without such communist interference.
TheRevenantStudios 1 year ago
The Nuncio shook his head and said“I would be very, very much mistaken in thinking that all this could end well.This man is completely obsessed; all that is not of use to him, he destroys; all that he says and writes carries the mark of his egocentricity; this man is capable of trampling on corpses and eliminating all that obstructs him.I cannot understand how many in Germany, even among the best people do not understand and are not able to draw the lesson from what he writes and saysPart 11
abc1000001 1 year ago
Cornwell presents Pacelli as Hitler's pope; however, the following is what Pacelli said to Sr. Pascalina about Hitler in 1929 — four years before Hitler came to power: On one occasion I asked the Nuncio if he did not think that this man could have some good in him, and that just as Mussolini had benefited Italy, so also he [Hitler] could perhaps help the German people.Part 10
abc1000001 1 year ago
Cornwell relies substantially on Lewy and Friedldnder, both of whose books were severely criticized by many specialists, including the theologian Henri de Lubac. De Lubac said Friedldnder's “book falls rather under the province of pamphleteer literature, about which one critic has said that the method followed is nothing but a 'falsification of historical truth as superficial as it is irresponsible.'” Part 9
abc1000001 1 year ago
He personally interrogated the top Nazi criminals judged at the Nuremberg Trials and acquainted himself with all the documents regarding the Hitler regime. Kempner defended Pius XII against attacks that had already been made, declared that any public protest would have been useless, and not only dismissed curtly Rolf Hochhuth's play, The Deputy, but also the books of Guenter Lewy and Saul Friedldnder, who had “not provided any reason for changing his standpoint.” Part 8
abc1000001 1 year ago
Among the many scholarly works that Cornwell should have consulted is that of the Hungarian Jewish author Jeno Levai's Hungarian Jewry and the Papacy.Levai used the Significant subtitle “Pope Pius XII did not remain silent” and asked Dr. Robert M.W. Kempner, formerly deputy chief U.S. prosecutor at Nuremberg, to write a prologue and an epilogue to his book. Kempner was Jewish and a famous lawyer in Berlin who, when the Nazis came into power, went to the United States. Part 7
abc1000001 1 year ago
When it was pointed out to him that other publications such as those by Professor Ludwig Volk are far more reliable Cornwell stated that “Scholder's reputation as a Church historian is unchallenged in German Scholarship.”Such a statement reveals that Cornwell is unaware of the high-level discussion in which Scholder's work has been severely criticized. Part 6
abc1000001 1 year ago
The classic work of Professor Heinz Hftrten, Deutsche Katholiken 1918-1945 (German Catholics 1918-1945), is quoted only once, and then wrongly. Of the more than 40 highly documented volumes published by the Kommission fur Zeitgeschichte, Cornwell refers to only one or two. In most cases, Cornwell refers to archival or other sources as “Quoted by Scholder,” a noted German Church historian and professor at the university in Tuebingen, Germany.Part 5
abc1000001 1 year ago
All these statements are false and were declared as such in an official and authoritative statement issued by the Vatican in l'Osservatore Romano on October 13. The list of abbreviations and archival sources Cornwell provides is extremely meager, containing entries that are not archival sources at all. Scores of archives and scholarly works that should have been consulted are omitted. Most of those quoted are from secondary sources, and even these are extremely selective. Part 4
abc1000001 1 year ago
Before publication of the book, an article appeared in the Sunday Times, in which Cornwell (who has no academic degrees in history, law, or theology) said he was the first and only person ever to be granted permission to visit the archive of the Vatican secretariat of state, had worked there for months on end, and discovered an unknown and highly compromising letter written by Pacelli on April 18, 1917, which, according to him, had lain there hidden as a timebomb. Part 3
abc1000001 1 year ago
Hitler was appointed chancellor of Germany on January 30, 1933, and thus the caption suggests that Pacelli paid a visit in 1939 to a high-ranking Nazi official and was saluted by two Nazi soldiers. However, Pacelli left Germany in 1929 and never returned. He was elected pope on March 2, 1939, and therefore could not be in Berlin during that period. Part 2
abc1000001 1 year ago
Some facts for you haters: On the dust jacket of the English edition of the book is a picture of the then-Archbishop Eugenio Pacelli, apostolic nuncio at Berlin, leaving a German government building saluted by two soldiers. The photograph is quite tendentious, but what is worse is the caption: “Cover photograph shows Cardinal Pacelli, the future Pope Pius XII, leaving the presidential palace in Berlin, March 1939.” caption is not only totally wrong but seriously misleading.Part 1
abc1000001 1 year ago
Of course the CBC would buy this bunk. Thankfully, there are people out there who will ignore this garbage. You can bet that the CBC would never try to get a historian with the proof that this book is simply a fabricated attack on the Church. I quote Rabbi David Dalin’s The Myth of Hitler’s Pope stated that people are trying to, "exploit the tragedy of the Jewish people during the Holocaust to foster their own political agenda of forcing changes on the Catholic Church today.”
abc1000001 1 year ago
The Catholic church blamed Jews for the Black Plague in 1348. Today, the Pope sits on a golden commode from gold stolen from the Inca Indians. Learn history and don't be willingly ignorant. (Doesn't mean all Catholics are bad. A lot of good people were under the Nazi regime and members.)
thoumaturgica 1 year ago
This video makes me laugh and judging by its 3000 odd viewings doesnt hold much strength either.
The Vatican wasnt going to take on the Nazi war machine, it was simply trying to save itself from subdugation and destruction, the german popePius used this to his advantage to become pope.
Soloman1001 1 year ago
Lying Bullshit!!!
McReb 1 year ago
the vatican shoud return all the wealth they stole from the jews they had killed by their big friends the nazi's
dieper2dieper 1 year ago
Check out news: Pope Pius XII granted highest acolade by Yad Vashem Institute in New York for "saving millions of Jews' lives."
MikkkkyB 2 years ago
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When Pius XII died 25% of mankind was Catholic. Today just about 12% of mankind is Catholic. Pius XII was the last great pope. Pius XII was a saint.
daltonagre 2 years ago
The vatican's only god is the devil, so naturally the nazis and the vatican go hand in hand. Over the course of history the vatican has KILLED millions upon millions of people as did the nazis.
bmwstox 2 years ago
and if yo ulook at the church of today its still under these kinda rules look at the pope you have today look at his life and times when he was in his teens into his mid 20s he was a hitler youth guy
marxbroths 2 years ago
I feel that I have not had a chance to explain myself. You blocked me as I was writing a message that explained my views of the church. Whether you agree with them or not I have good reason to believe what I do.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Sometimes I really, really hate the CBC.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
John Cornwell is an anti-catholic biggot. 'Hitlers Pope" lies before you see the first page. The photo on the cover was taken in 1929. No Hitler. Some versions of the book state the photo was taken in 1939. Lies. Pius never met with Hitler.
Try reading 'The Myth of Hitler's Pope' by Rabbi David G. Dalin. Thats right he is Jewish.
'Hitlers Pope' is Holocaust denial.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
As Vatican Nuncio to Germany - later as Secretary of State for the Holy See - Pius met with Hitler.
..and various Nazi officials.
Your buddy Josef Alois Ratzinger has denied & rebuked God...never mind the Holocaust, which he blamed on God.
In truth, the blame for WWII & the Shoah falls to the Vatican Masters - for their disobedience to God. Though the die was long since cast in '39 when Pacelli became pope.
19lfm12 2 years ago
"John Cornwell is an anti-catholic biggot."
Has he...denied the existence of God,,,the Divinity of Christ.....or made any remarks which could possibly be construed as legitimately blasphemous?
No. He has said nothing against or derogatory of the key elements of the Catholic faith.
He has justly criticized the words, deeds & motives of PiusXII, based upon solid historical research - which he approached with a very open & objective mind, as a scholar.
19lfm12 2 years ago
His mind was set before he began. His book's lies start at the cover and he has recently renounced most of his own book due to the overwhelming evidence against it. People like John Cornwell and Susan Zuccotti have hijacked the tragedy of the holocaust to create conspiracy lies against a saintly man who just happened to lead an institution who's social teaching they do not agree with. The only thing they can gather against him is that there is little written documentation to prove he had...
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
There are far more damaging conspiratorial aspects to the Vatican's guilt in re WWII & the Shoah then this book.......
As to "saintly'....that is can only be judged by externals revealing the constancy in faith of a man. Little errors are forgiven; not those which result in the death of millions.
He shares guilt for WWII & Shoah with his two predecessors & in house Administrators - for being disobedient to God.
19lfm12 2 years ago
anything to do with the massive sacrifices made by the clergy to save and protect Jews. This is idiotic. Every single clergy member that worked against Hitler and protected Jews SWEAR their orders came directly from Pius. The church did not keep any records of their underground movements because documents that fell into the hand of the Nazi's would expose hidden Jews. If you expect it to have done publicly with huge paper trails your STUPID.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
There were no such 'massive sacrifices by the clergy to save Jews". It was courageous individual efforts - of a profound minority of Catholic clerics & religious. This was of their own initiative as Christians, based upon personal true faith & conscience.
Any evidence that this was coordinated by Pius is a modern fabrication by Opus Dei or its ancillaries.
Most clerics were silent; many for in favor of the Nazi regime & cooperated with it.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Pius was universally praised as the greatest protector of the Jews unit recently. It pathetic and anti-Semitic to try and take blame from Hitler and place it on an innocent man who did all in his power.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
The liberal media is slandering a holy and courageous man to sell books. It is pathetic. Many Jewish intellectuals have called it a form of holocaust denial. Try reading a real book that is honest and open minded. 'Hitler's Pope' is not. Cornwell has denounced his own book. You shouldn't need any more proof than that.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Kindly show evidence of said 'holiness'. All you are going to cite are mere 'pious externals' & an ultra-orthodox mindset.
That is not 'saintly'.
Cornwell has not denounced his book; merely modified his reaction to Pius. Calling his silence & inaction, at best inexplicable.
The obvious implication is that Pius's behavior is neither courageous nor Christian.
19lfm12 2 years ago
@19lfm12 Of course he has to be silent. But being silent does not mean he didn't actually do anything against the Holocaust. He knew his words would fall on deaf ears, so what he did was just do something about the problem without saying a word instead of grumbling regarding it.
avatarspirit57 1 year ago
@avatarspirit57 When one knows of evil, one has a moral duty to make it cease, or at least condemn it. What little Pacelli 'did' was too little & too late.
Nor did he make any condemnations post war. And then we have the Ratlines, which are factual history......and the work of the Opus Dei which he approved of.
19lfm12 1 year ago
Pius XII was the 1st pope to give papal approval to Opus Dei - a cherished goal of Escriva. The Opus wants to make him a 'saint', to trade on his ultra-rigid orthodoxy & legitimize it.
...never mind that such attitude is incongruent with Christ & the Gospel!
Thus the campaign to silence ANY criticism of Pius is an Opus Dei operation - regardless of the name or group involved. It is part of a long range goal to legitimize the un-Christian...as "Christian".
19lfm12 2 years ago
This video opens stating that Cornwell's book proves Pius was an anti-Semitic and that he collaborated with Hitler. Clearly lies. Cornwell has said "...in the light of the debates and evidence... it is impossible to judge the motives for his silence during the war...". That is a BIG, HUGE turnaround from anti Semitic and Nazi collaborator. That's one step away form saying "I was completely wrong." 'Hitler's Pope' is a LIE.
When Pius died, he was REVERED by the Jewish community.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
People like Zuccotti have even said that Christianity is inherently anti-Semitic and then went on to defend the followers of Islam even though 59% of Palestinians are supportive of attacks against Israel. They are anti-Catholic, 'liberal minded' bigots.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
It is the Roman Catholic Church organization which invented anti-Semetism. Making it de dacto doctrine & teaching it intergenerationally for centuries. By conditioning the laity to hold a demonic viewpoint, contrary to the Gospel, the Vatican laid the spiritual foundation for Naziism.
There is no justification in blanket condemnations of Islam.
But Fanaticism is not of God....be it from a Christian, Jewish or Islamic source.
19lfm12 2 years ago
"There is no justification in blanket condemnations of Islam. "
Never said their was.
You either need to prove what you claim or zip it. The historical record shows that the papacy was one of the only freinds the Jews had through out history. We have documention of this starting as far back as the 6th century with Pope Gregory the Great.
You obviously fear the facts. Or else you would not have blocked me.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Fanatics are always blocked from my page.
Since you have written is support of Bishop Richard Williamson, the Holocaust denying bishop - & Ratzinger's support of him - one thing is obvious:
Your loyalty & devotion is only to the Vatican organization, the papal office & its occupant - not to God.
One could not be in Christ and hold the views you have expressed.
19lfm12 2 years ago
You lie. I never supported Williamson and neither did the Pope. If you had not blocked me I would have sent you a message explaining my relationship with the church and my understanding of it. Your are putting words in my mouth. That libel.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
The comments were posted by yourself - and can be easily found. Attempts to justify what Ratz did are equivalent of supporting his words & actions, which gave official Vatican legitimacy to Williamson.
If you are now going to try to rewrite the history of this past year & claim that Ratz never supported Williamson, then it is yourself who is lying.
He did - and that is a factual matter readily supported by news accounts....which are plastered ALL OVER YT.
19lfm12 2 years ago
All he did was un-excommunicate the whole group of ex-catholics that were under him. Thats not support for his personal veiws. He was never made a Bishop agian. The Pope clearly expessed his veiws on anti-semetism.
Were do you come from?
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JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Ratzinger officially rehabilitated Williamson, lifted the excommunication ban against him, placed by JPII in 1988. This did not apply to the entire SSPX group.
As former head of the CDF when this ban was placed in 1988, Ratz knew very well who WIlliamson was - & as they specialize in the information business, they - and Ratz himself - were fully aware of what Williamson speaks & writes.
Thus, Ratz knowingly supported a Holocaust denier Bishop.
Ratz' words belie his deeds.....
19lfm12 2 years ago
The lift of the excommunication was for the four bishops and all the clergy and laymen beneith them. The rest of the SSPX have not recanted.
You are being very misleading. Or maybe you are being mislead?
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
@JDZwiers19. you are absolutely correct. this was a major error by this pope. i am of no religeon but some of the strange decisions made, by all of the faiths, makes one wonder about the clarity of thinking among the hierachies.
johneunson 2 years ago
I don't think it was a very big error. The man wasn't congratulated for his views, his excommunication was just lifted. That's it. He denied the holocaust which makes him a prick, but not a heretic. He wasn't given any power back, he was just allowed to rejoin the church. People have blown it way out of proportion. Being a shmuck is not sufficient for excommunication.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
The Pope was thinking about all the people involved and probably overlooked williamson. SO WHAT. He has not been fully rehabilitated. The Pope has expressed his veiws and apologized. You are using this as a weapon to support your own prejudice. Wrongly I might add.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Josef Alois Ratzginer, who sits 'on the Throne of Moses' knew full well who & what Williamson & his ilk were about. Nothing was 'overlooked'. Thus, he scandalized ppl.
"Woe to you that call evil good & good evil..."
"Whoever shall scandalize one of these little ones who believe in Me, it would be better if a millstone were hung on his neck & he be cast into the sea..."
19lfm12 2 years ago
Your calling Pope Benedict evil?
The only thing you have to support that is the fact that he lifted the excommunication on a man who thinks the holocaust is over exaggerated? Benedict has made huge strides in inter-religous cooperation and you use this one event to ignore the rest. Everyone has forgotten it except bitter Protestants.
I am going to hell because I follow him?
Peter was the first to deny Christ and yet he was chosen to lead. You judge as if you were God. Woe is you...
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
"Your calling Pope Benedict evil?.......I am going to hell because I follow him?"
The only coherent response:
"You have said it"
- Jesus Christ
19lfm12 2 years ago
Your page claims I am your brother yet you spit in my face with every post. Or maybe you make an exception with Catholics and didn't say. I would be surprised but the Bible mentioned something like this might happen.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Many Atheists & Agnostics have more comprehension of the core teachings of Christ (which are at the heart of his Gospel...and thus are the Rock of true faith), as Christ himself indicated.......then many so-called 'religious people'.
Being a devoted pew sitter or member of this or that 'group' does not guarantee a free ticket to heaven.
19lfm12 2 years ago
I believe that there is corruption within the Church. Always has been, always will be. There will always be Judases. Any denomination you could belong to will be no different. Martin Luther had some good points. You could even say he helped inspire the council of Trent. Problem is he got full of himself and made himself Pope.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
But you are judging me and my church based on dishonest books and silly movies. I can't see why else you would hate me so much.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
1. It has been made eminently clear that I am a Catholic
2. You are baiting me - repeatedly.
3. The efforts of the likes of Dan Brown are actual very beneficial to the agenda of the Opus Dei & the Vatican which it controls:
To destroy what little faith still remains in ppl.
Get behind me Satan
19lfm12 2 years ago
I'm not Satan.
I feel angry, I feel frustrated, but most of all I feel sad. I have more enlightening discussions with unbelievers. That is a real tragedy. It is the work of Satan that puts you at odds with me. I wish you could see that. I am trying to defend something you attempt to destroy. You are damaging the very thing you claim to be a part of. Satan would like nothing better than to have us tear the church to the ground.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
"According to several journalists who have worked independently on Opus Dei, such as John Allen, Jr., Vittorio Messori,[Patrice de Plunkett, Maggy Whitehouse, Noam Friedlander, many of the criticisms against Opus Dei are myths and unproven tales."
Taken from Wikipedia.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
I apologize. My intention was not to set you up.
I really didn'y know you considered yourself Catholic.
Why all the attacks on the Vatican? It has made mistakes but also done many wonderful things for humanity.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
"...done many wonderful things for humanity."
1. Conquest, plunder & murder 'in the name of God'
2. Forced conversion by torture, starvation, prison, persecution, social/economic pressure
3. Falsely posited itself as the arbiter & gateway to heaven, in complete contradiction to the Gospel.
4. Established an earthly kingdom, in rebuke of the Gospel
5. Made the clergy/hierarchy virtual demigods, setting themselves above men & demanding tribute.
All fulfillling Matthew 23.....!
19lfm12 2 years ago
You are ignorant. You have bought into the exaggerated myths of a liberal culture of death that has it in for the Christ's church. I could recommend history books and articles that make your delusions seem laughable but I get the feeling it would be a waste of time. If you ever wish to extend a hand of friendship and tolerance you know where to find me.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Any HS kid could look these things up & see with his own eyes that the Roman Catholic Church organization has done each of the things I listed.
Most is very plain.....of course this requires the use of cognitive thinking.....and (gasp!0 independent thought.
But its all out there.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Show me.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Before I go I will recommend three more books, as futile as that may be. 'How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization' by Thomas Woods. It doesn't hide the Church's mistakes but shares its triumphs. Also 'Rome Sweet Home' and 'Reasons to believe' by Scott Hahn.
Peace be with you.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Are you shilling books by EWTN presenters now?
EWTN - the global Opus Dei network:
Subtle blasphemy, 24 hours a day.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Books written by ex-protestants that know the gospel inside and out. People that learned the truth by years or research and study and prayer. You would do well to give them credit.
But you can't even read a book written by Jew if it says something nice about the Church.
But what ever. Catholic haters today were Jew haters 60 years ago.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Yes - ex-Protestants indeed, who all became Opus Dei members. Thus imbibing the Leaven of the Pharisees, which any true Christian wants nothing to do with as it is contrary to the Gospel.
I will give them credit for one thing only: serving Satan.
For they are collaborating in the construction of the False Christ.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Read the book about how pope John Paul I died & Vatican's connection to the Mafia ("In God's Name" by David Yallop).
Western civilization had a lot of other people to keep it going. Vatican's role is exagerated.
Why does the pope need gaudy dresses, lavish palaces, a huge hierarchy of officials & an army of pedophile priests to serve him, when Jesus lived humbly? Is the pope higher than Jesus? Think about these. It is not good to blindly follow any hierarchy.
drav1dan 2 years ago
Yallop is a regular John Cornwell. A juicy conspiracy is always more interesting then the truth. Heck, everyone knows the first moon landing was staged.
The fact you would say something as stupid as "an army of pedophile priests" makes you about as objective as any other conspiracy theorist I have ever spoken to.
The Pope wears robes but works like slave until he dies. Ya, that really is the life of luxury. Especially when your 80 +.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
The fact that you would be stupid enough to completely ignore all the pedophilia that has come to light among the priests shows that you are nothing more than a brainwashed cult member & catholicism is nothing more than a vicious cult.
Yes, I know the pope works like a slave; he has to in order to cover up all the terrible child abuse that regularly come to light.
drav1dan 2 years ago
Pedophilia is a problem that plagues every institution on earth. There is no evidence to suggest that the rates of offenders are higher among catholic clergy. The media coverage is un-proportionate to the amount of incidents. There is plenty of evidence to support this. If you like I will give you some sources.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
But you don't care about facts do you. You are all about the hype. You should focus your attention on the moral degradation of society that has lead to this epidemic and stop trying to scapegoat the Church.
Don't ever suggest that I would completely ignore something as horrible as pedophilia. As a father I have nothing but sympathy for the victims. I am glad that Pope Benedict is brave enough to address the problem even in the face of unfair and sometimes quite irrational media attacks.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
The Vatican is steeped in occultism at the highest level and it is a common practice for child abuse in their sadistic rituals... The evidence is in the witness of the thousands of abused children who are still suffering and the millions of dollars spent to keep them silent... The procedure of the Vatican is to protect the abusers and they just continue. The Vatican is from Rome and is the modern Babylonian religion from Egyptian times..IHS; Isis Horace Seb...Egyptian Trinity.
MiesterNice 2 years ago
According to your logic Martin Luther and all he stood for should be thrown out the door. Probably the most eloquent anti-Semitic to ever live.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
To burst your balloon:
I am neither Lutheran nor Protestant.
Whatever Luther wrote (assuming the authenticity of the claim....) which is anti-Semitic is obviously un-Christian.
But nothing negate the charges which he & other reformers lobbed at the Vatican - those which were correct & legitimate.
19lfm12 2 years ago
You show me those comments. Because my persaonal veiw is that he is a schmuk.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
Listen, worst case scenario I am a misguided fool who has put his faith in the wrong hands. I have no malice towards anyone and have faith in Christ. If you were a true Christian you would listen to what I have to say and patiently try to correct me. All you have done is call me a liar and an anti-Semitic fanatic. You have not given me any evidence to convince me. I have tried to present you with facts.
Your blocking me is a sign of fear and discrimination. It is not what Jesus would do.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
"It is not what Jesus would do."
What did Christ say to those who played games with Him?
"But Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name, cast out devils in Thy Name, & done many miracles in Thy Name?
And then I will profess to them: 'I know you not; depart from me ye workers of iniquity"
19lfm12 2 years ago
You are breaking the 9th commandment.
You accuse me of things that I am innocent of, just as you accuse my popes.
You come accross as a fanatic my friend.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
"There is no justification in blanket condemnations of Islam. "
"It is the Roman Catholic Church organization which invented anti-Semetism."
If you can't see the problem here then you really need pray for help.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
The historical record - clearly shows a vast divide between such pitiful cheap words of certain popes, 'defending Jews' - & the Vatican condoned actions of bishops, priests, laity & cooperative civil authorities through the centuries.
The Church taught Anti-Semtism & justified persecution of the Jews for nearly 1700 years as de facto doctrine. It can neither escape the judgement of history, nor that of God.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Prove it
Prove it.
Prove it.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
@19lfm12 I have to disagree, anti-Semitism was generally not a doctrine of the Church. If you look at the history of Catholicism itself, most doctrines followed by Catholics (including the Ten Commandments) are actually of Jewish origin. Christianity was actually planned out as a "Reformation" movement for Judaism. However, all talks ended when Jerusalem was destroyed by the Romans. Since then, Judaism and Christianity parted ways.
avatarspirit57 1 year ago
@avatarspirit57 It is irrelevant whether anti-Semetism was/was not de jure doctrine in this or that era. It was so de facto; intergenerationally. Jews were both officially & unofficially villified & blamed for the death of Christ. Scapegoated for the Black Death & murdered. Then there were the fun Inquisitions.....
Trying to deny the Catholic role in anti-semetism is dishonest.
19lfm12 1 year ago 2
Now why is the Vatican SO interested in presenting PiusXII as being beyond reproach?
1. if they admit fault, they incur moral liability & could be tried before the World Court
2. Pacelli represented rigid orthodoxy, which they are steering toward
3. Opus Dei wants to make him a saint - for his orthodoxy....and as he was the 1st pope to give them overt approval.
4. Opus Dei can be very clearly tied to Fascism in Europe......:)
19lfm12 2 years ago
Pius XII is not soley responsible for WWII; the fault lies with his two immediate predecessors who did much to enable it. Both by what they did - and failed to do.
BUT Pius XII's virtual silence in the face of the Nazi regime & its atrocities is damning. As the Vatican has the largest diplomatic network - he knew what was happening. He would have known of the camps.
Morally, he had an obligation to act & speak out.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Pius saved 860,000 Jews. He was Hitlers biggest opponent on mainland Europe.
'The Myth of Hitler's Pope' by Rabbi David G. Dalin.
Read it. Pius was not silent.
JDZwiers19 2 years ago
That book you reference is the doing of Opus Dei - not surprisingly......
1. Pius is very important to the Opus, as he officially 'legitimized' it (...the fool!), & they want prominent 'saints' to reinforce their 'legitimacy'.
2. Authors can be bribed.....encouraged...or feeble minded enough to do as they are told.
3. Pius' silence was deafening - & he was very close to the German Catholic politics which brought Hitler to official power.
..then there was also the ReichesKonkordat.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Technically, yes it is still in effect.
19lfm12 2 years ago
Ummmm.... not convinced. It is clear that the Vaticano didn't stand up to Hitler as they should...but the catholic people are separate from the Vaticano. Even the actions of some priests + nuns during the war were completely removed from the stand that the Vatican did/did not take. Generalizations are the arguments of fools. Is the catholic church anti semitic? Well, is the catholic church anti gay and anti women? Of course they are. Where is the revelation?
All in all... pants. Nothing new.
pseudonym1964 2 years ago
It is very true that the Catholic laity cannot be blamed for what the Vatican & bishops did.
Many lay ppl made heroic efforts to save Jews - and paid with their lives. But NOT the hierarchy!
Note that the only Catholics who went to the camps were those who opposed the Nazis and/or tried to help those who were persecuted! These were the true Christians....
...compared to the Ratzinger family....!
19lfm12 2 years ago
Still.... a lot of generalised pants.
Rant 19lfm12, rant.
pseudonym1964 2 years ago
What has been stated is factual truth...not a 'rant'...and not invented.
Do you have some lucid argument to assert?
19lfm12 2 years ago
« Pave the way » proposera Pie XII comme « Juste parmi les nations »
La fondation a l'objectif d'éliminer les obstacles entre les religions
ROME, Vendredi 3 Juillet 2009 (ZENIT) - La Fondation Pave the way (PTWF) a annoncé son intention de proposer à Yad Vashem, le mémorial de l'Holocauste à Jérusalem, la remise du titre de « Juste parmi les nations » à Eugenio Pacelli, le pape Pie XII.
VIVE LE GRAND ET SAINT PAPE PIE XII !
francineraymonde 2 years ago
Eric Jon Phelps in his book and DVD, "Vatican Assassins" asserts that the Jesuits wrote Mein Kampf. (NOTE: Mein Kampf was never on Rome's list of forbidden books, before or after Hitler's death.)
And it is also stated by another author how the Protocols of the Elders of Zion was penned by a Roman Catholic lawyer, Maurice Joly (John Toland, "Adolf Hitler," 1976.)
excatholics 2 years ago
Eric Jon Phelps is full of it. He works for an Israeli diamond company and also sells 'new-age' 'healing crystals' and 'special water' among other bullshit things on his website (Lowvehm)
I agree that MK and the Protocols were hoaxes (deliberately misleading) though.
TheWiretap 2 years ago
There was also a VERY interesting book, sent to each bishop who attended Vatican II: 'The Plot Against the Church' by Maurice Pinay (a pseudonym). 720 pages of racism; blaming everything & anything on the Jews. Including Communism & many other 'modern perils'; & citing the Jews as the 'evil enemies of the Church'. The purpose: to make it appear that the liberalization to come via Vatican II was a "Jewish plot".
Est opus de Opus Dei:)
19lfm12 2 years ago
The Roman Catholic theology is anti-Semitic in its nature. It is based on the church fathers anti-Semitic replacement theology. The goal to the replacement theology is to destroy Israel and the Jews.
IsraelGudsAugestein 2 years ago
Everyone is well aware that this has all been discreditted. Even Mr Cornwell has said so!!!
By the way John Cornwell is not a historian. He is a journalist which no qualifications in history.
Neither was not he a "good Catholic" he had left the Church some years previously.
This entire video is a farce built around lies!! 2 lies about the author before 2 minutes have passed in the video!
TributePA 3 years ago
Mr Cornwell has never discreditted his own book, the only organisiation that has said he has, is of course Roman Catholic bodies that are terrified of the consequences of this good honest man's work.
2up2u 3 years ago
Actually he has. He has admitted that the book isn't totally accurate. Every respectable historian in the world has discredited the book, the author has discredited the book. I t is only stupid anti-Catholic bigots who still believe anything in this book!
TributePA 3 years ago
From what source did he discredit his own thorough research and primary material straight from the Vatican archives? He is a historian. For someone who is an IRA apologist and claims to uphold Marxist beliefs and does not practice Catholicism, you are very determined that the Catholic church isn't disgraced. You can't bear the truth about this evil church. Only Romanist organisations are telling the world he discredited his own work, give me the evidence, is their a video on you-tube?
2up2u 3 years ago
"From what source did he discredit his own thorough research"
In an article in The Economist, in 2004, he states: "I would now argue, in the light of the debates and evidence following 'Hitler's Pope', that Pius XII had so little scope of action that it is impossible to judge the motives for his silence during the war, while Rome was under the heel of Mussolini and later occupied by the Germans."
TributePA 3 years ago
That was the Catholic League that made that quote up and put it about. Cornwell has had death threats from the Catholic Church and the Jesuits, such is their power, money and wealth. There is an abundance of historical data and archives, pictures, newsreels that link the Vatican quite clearly with the Nazi's and the Holocaust. The Catholic church has been persecuting Jews for hundreds of years. Catholic Croatia under Ante Pavelic ,, murdered Serbs, Jews, where catholic priests did the killings.
2up2u 3 years ago
"That was the Catholic League that made that quote up and put it about"
Are you really that deluded?
TributePA 3 years ago
One article from the Economist is scant evidence. There is scores of evidence linking the Vatican with the Nazis, you have scores of ex-catholic vatican workers, priests, nuns and jesuits that have exposed this evil organisation. Alberto Rivero had 4 attempts on his life before he was finally murdered for exposing the jesuits.
2up2u 3 years ago
"One article from the Economist is scant evidence"
It is an article were Cornwell accepts that his book was flawed! No more evidence needs to appear! The author has discredited his own work..... end of story
TributePA 3 years ago
He never discredited his work only Catholic organisations have said that he discredited his work. There is much much more evidence of Roman Catholic Nazi involvement, Cornwell is only a tiny example of this. It is you that is deluded about your church - a church that has a history of genocide, anti-semitism and currently has a massive problem regarding sex abuse cases.
2up2u 3 years ago
"He never discredited his work only Catholic organisations have said that he discredited his work"
Why are you making a fool of yourself??? HE DID!
TributePA 3 years ago
No it is you that is making a fool of yourself. You can't look at all other clear evidence, but instead cling to this garbage that Cornwell discredited his own work. No No NO NO and NO again
2up2u 3 years ago
Face facts................. he did
TributePA