Yeah, get em young eh? Nice and impressionable so they have to fight the programming for the rest of their lives if they want to become free-thinkers.
What was it the Jesuits said? Give me the child and I'll give you the man.
It's not in the bible. It's attributed to the Jesuit order (an ascetic christian order who preached the ideal of bringing heaven on earth by emulating christ).
I don't see anything wrong with Christian morrals or anything that the bible teaches. This is a free country so we can all believe what we want to believe and we can teach what religion we want to teach. What''s wrong with their teachings?
Is murder okay? A murder of an innocent person is not. But who is innocent? (Romans 3:23) They considered you to be a criminal if you had a divorce back then. Now days you're considered innocent.
I apologize, I never got the e-mail in the box with the comment. To answer your question you were quoting from the Old Testiment. In the New Testiment it says we're no longer under those laws.
True, perhaps. However, surely that makes the morality of the old-testement moot, yet I keep hearing it referenced on issues of morality.
The new testement was clearly meant as a more positive work to appeal to a newer, larger audience (members of the Roman empire under Constantine). It was tailored from other myths to appeal to the masses at the time as a means of solidifying the empire through cohesion - it didn't work.
Heard Chuck many times on Focus on the Family radio in the states. His autobiography is great,one of the few from the Watergate scandal(Call girl ring at the Democratic headquarters,which no one reports)to come away more integrous,Mere Christianity by Lewis was the book that drew him to rethink the power of Christ in His Word.
"Mere Christianity by Lewis was the book that drew him to rethink the power of Christ in His Word. "
Actually, it was a pending sentencing hearing before a Federal Court that inspired his "coming to Jesus".Any con seeking parole considers the same scam.
Colson's 'coming to Jesus' happened a year prior to any sentencing by a Federal Court. It was in the driveway of a friend, Tom Phillips, who had shared Jesus Christ to him that evening and told Colson how Jesus had changed his heart and life. Ben, I suggest you get your facts straight before typing on the keyboard next time...
It never was announced publically until after he was indicted and was facing sentencing, making any documentation of it occurring "a year before sentencing" conveniently impossible to document. Thus, we have it on the unsubstantiated word of a liar and a felon that it occurred "one year prior to any sentencing."
Dan Rather, while a CBS reporter and part of the White House press corps, inquired during a 1973 white house press conference what Colson was doing back at the White House? It was stated that he was attending a prayer breakfast - and Colson became the subject of a 60 minutes piece and editorials/cartoons - all of which occurred LONG before any prison sentencing...
@johnlorican Yeah, and prior to that, Chuck Colson's reputation was squeaky-clean, right? A sleaze-artist, through and through, that rebranded his name, dishonored by his own actions and just punishment by society, into a "Christian." A con-artist and a liar.
@CristinaFernandez....Cristina, it's amazing how someone could be so wrong within a span of just three sentences.
Chuck Colson obstructed justice by giving authority to smear Daniel Ellsberg, a leftist who stole the Pentagon Papers in the early 1970's. For that, Colson went to prison and served seven months.
He found Jesus Christ a year prior to going to prison - and it was the impetus to start a prison ministry that has spanned the globe.
@johnlorican Ahhh, I see. So he was guilty of obstructing justice against someone that you don't agree with politically, so therefore that changes everything. That of course, is perfectly acceptable and within the name of Christian love, which is only for Republicans.
By the way, even his fellow conservatives think his "conversion" is a standing joke...just ask William F. Buckley.
@CristinaFernandez ...Again, Cristina - you have a remarkable ability to be just plain wrong.
I didn't imply that he shouldn't have been found guilty. Ironically, Colson pled guilty to what he was guilty of - obstructing justice - and served his time. Ellberg's politics are irrelevant.
Colson's conversion was authentic; he mas been in prison ministry for 35 years (!). To deny his conversion is to completely avoid reality.
He ought to practice what he preaches. Evidently "not going along with worldly thinking" doesn't preclude whoring for George W. Bush and other neocon/theocon scum.
"don't see anything wrong with Christian morrals or anything that the bible teaches. This is a free country so we can all believe what we want to believe and we can teach what religion we want to teach. What''s wrong with their teachings?"
Yet stoning to death for such deeds as collecting wood on a sunday and such should be punished by stoning.
My point precisely. You're relying on a book, the contents of which dates back somewhere between 3000 and 750 years. Don't you see how the context of the contents becomes irrelevant in this era?
The fact that that book is not only derived from numerous sources (and in the process misunderstood and mistranslated) doesn't help either. It also accounts for inconsistencies within the text.
Colson is a convicted felon. At one time no matter how vile the means, if the ends of political advantage were served, those means were justified.All he has done since Watergate was to drag Jesus into his political gutter.
BenAliGtor, this Colson fellow is just like all hypocrites who hide behind the bible. His is a convicted felon and he is as hateful as the Jerry Falwells and Robertsons.
He believes either you are with us (Christianity) or you are against us. And I am a Christian and yet can't stand this hypocrite.
Colson has lived a life of superb integrity, has ministered to thousands and thousands of prison inmates (what Jesus has commanded ALL of us to do), has influenced millions with his writings, and is the single greatest apologist for the Christian gospel today....if that's 'hypocrisy,' we should ALL be so hypocritical...
I guess that's why he is a convicted felon and was disbarred from the practice of law, huh?
".. has ministered to thousands and thousands of prison inmates .."
He's fighting in 8th UC CCOA to overturn a Federal District Court hearing that deprives his "prison ministry" millions in government funding. There's his real priority: money.
Mr. Colson received the Templeton Prize in 1993, a $1,000,000 award granted to an individual who has made a significant contribution towards the advancement of religion. He gave the entire award to Prison Fellowship without keeping a dime. Colson's personal income from PF annually is $60,000. Sorry, his real priority is advancing the TRUTH of the Gospel - not money. Your unsubstantiated attack is without substance...
Chuck Colson has ministered to thousands upon thousands of prison inmates around the world, has visited over 600 prisons, has written books that have influenced millions, and is the single most articulate apologist for the gospel of Christ living today....if only the rest of us lived in what you refer to as a 'gutter.'
i love WVA!!
tripledaA 10 months ago 2
I really admire Chuck Colson.
rancantrell 2 years ago
Yeah, get em young eh? Nice and impressionable so they have to fight the programming for the rest of their lives if they want to become free-thinkers.
What was it the Jesuits said? Give me the child and I'll give you the man.
youmeandsomeknives 4 years ago
Where in the Bible did it say that....?
totallyturtles 4 years ago
It's not in the bible. It's attributed to the Jesuit order (an ascetic christian order who preached the ideal of bringing heaven on earth by emulating christ).
youmeandsomeknives 4 years ago
I don't see anything wrong with Christian morrals or anything that the bible teaches. This is a free country so we can all believe what we want to believe and we can teach what religion we want to teach. What''s wrong with their teachings?
totallyturtles 4 years ago
You have read the bible right? Do you seriously think that we should stone people for working on a Sunday?
youmeandsomeknives 4 years ago
I see you side-stepped that question. It's only been 4 months since I posted it.
youmeandsomeknives 3 years ago
Is murder okay? A murder of an innocent person is not. But who is innocent? (Romans 3:23) They considered you to be a criminal if you had a divorce back then. Now days you're considered innocent.
totallyturtles 3 years ago
I apologize, I never got the e-mail in the box with the comment. To answer your question you were quoting from the Old Testiment. In the New Testiment it says we're no longer under those laws.
totallyturtles 3 years ago
So, murder is okay?
youmeandsomeknives 3 years ago
True, perhaps. However, surely that makes the morality of the old-testement moot, yet I keep hearing it referenced on issues of morality.
The new testement was clearly meant as a more positive work to appeal to a newer, larger audience (members of the Roman empire under Constantine). It was tailored from other myths to appeal to the masses at the time as a means of solidifying the empire through cohesion - it didn't work.
youmeandsomeknives 3 years ago
Hey look! It's the man who said he would run over his grandmother for a vote for nixon!
rolpho 4 years ago
Heard Chuck many times on Focus on the Family radio in the states. His autobiography is great,one of the few from the Watergate scandal(Call girl ring at the Democratic headquarters,which no one reports)to come away more integrous,Mere Christianity by Lewis was the book that drew him to rethink the power of Christ in His Word.
dingorex 4 years ago
"Mere Christianity by Lewis was the book that drew him to rethink the power of Christ in His Word. "
Actually, it was a pending sentencing hearing before a Federal Court that inspired his "coming to Jesus".Any con seeking parole considers the same scam.
BenAliGtor 4 years ago
Colson's 'coming to Jesus' happened a year prior to any sentencing by a Federal Court. It was in the driveway of a friend, Tom Phillips, who had shared Jesus Christ to him that evening and told Colson how Jesus had changed his heart and life. Ben, I suggest you get your facts straight before typing on the keyboard next time...
johnlorican 4 years ago
It never was announced publically until after he was indicted and was facing sentencing, making any documentation of it occurring "a year before sentencing" conveniently impossible to document. Thus, we have it on the unsubstantiated word of a liar and a felon that it occurred "one year prior to any sentencing."
BenAliGtor 4 years ago
Dan Rather, while a CBS reporter and part of the White House press corps, inquired during a 1973 white house press conference what Colson was doing back at the White House? It was stated that he was attending a prayer breakfast - and Colson became the subject of a 60 minutes piece and editorials/cartoons - all of which occurred LONG before any prison sentencing...
johnlorican 4 years ago
@johnlorican Yeah, and prior to that, Chuck Colson's reputation was squeaky-clean, right? A sleaze-artist, through and through, that rebranded his name, dishonored by his own actions and just punishment by society, into a "Christian." A con-artist and a liar.
CristinaFernandez 1 year ago
@CristinaFernandez....Cristina, it's amazing how someone could be so wrong within a span of just three sentences.
Chuck Colson obstructed justice by giving authority to smear Daniel Ellsberg, a leftist who stole the Pentagon Papers in the early 1970's. For that, Colson went to prison and served seven months.
He found Jesus Christ a year prior to going to prison - and it was the impetus to start a prison ministry that has spanned the globe.
Cristina, please get your facts right next time.
johnlorican 1 year ago
@johnlorican Ahhh, I see. So he was guilty of obstructing justice against someone that you don't agree with politically, so therefore that changes everything. That of course, is perfectly acceptable and within the name of Christian love, which is only for Republicans.
By the way, even his fellow conservatives think his "conversion" is a standing joke...just ask William F. Buckley.
CristinaFernandez 1 year ago
@CristinaFernandez ...Again, Cristina - you have a remarkable ability to be just plain wrong.
I didn't imply that he shouldn't have been found guilty. Ironically, Colson pled guilty to what he was guilty of - obstructing justice - and served his time. Ellberg's politics are irrelevant.
Colson's conversion was authentic; he mas been in prison ministry for 35 years (!). To deny his conversion is to completely avoid reality.
johnlorican 1 year ago
Dear BenAliGtor,
You REALLY do not comprehend the importance of the Lordship of Jesus over ALL our life.
Watch the video again - Colson says we must be biblical, not going along with worldly thinking. What's wrong with that?
cjpreach 4 years ago
He ought to practice what he preaches. Evidently "not going along with worldly thinking" doesn't preclude whoring for George W. Bush and other neocon/theocon scum.
BenAliGtor 4 years ago
cipreach, if he really believed in what Jesus taught, then he would be against unfair wars and acceptance of other people no matter what their belief.
He is just another piece of garbage hypocrite.
He attacks Muslims, athiests and others. I am a Christian and he offends me.
johninves 4 years ago
And what's wrong with attacking the beliefs of Muslims, atheists, mormons ect.?
totallyturtles 3 years ago
Nothing. Keep it up. You'll only lose one of those battles.
youmeandsomeknives 3 years ago
In this comment I was responding to johninves comment, not yours. :-)
totallyturtles 3 years ago
Really, then I'll ask you directly:
"don't see anything wrong with Christian morrals or anything that the bible teaches. This is a free country so we can all believe what we want to believe and we can teach what religion we want to teach. What''s wrong with their teachings?"
Yet stoning to death for such deeds as collecting wood on a sunday and such should be punished by stoning.
youmeandsomeknives 3 years ago
Back in the Old Testiment time that was considered a proper punishment. What's your problem?
totallyturtles 3 years ago
My point precisely. You're relying on a book, the contents of which dates back somewhere between 3000 and 750 years. Don't you see how the context of the contents becomes irrelevant in this era?
The fact that that book is not only derived from numerous sources (and in the process misunderstood and mistranslated) doesn't help either. It also accounts for inconsistencies within the text.
youmeandsomeknives 3 years ago
Could you show me where the bible is mistranslated?
totallyturtles 3 years ago
lol - ask your local jewish community to translate the torah for you and follow it's 'correlation' with the old-testemant.
There's an example.
youmeandsomeknives 3 years ago
Colson is a convicted felon. At one time no matter how vile the means, if the ends of political advantage were served, those means were justified.All he has done since Watergate was to drag Jesus into his political gutter.
Now he wants to manipulate kids. How nice...
BenAliGtor 5 years ago
BenAliGtor, this Colson fellow is just like all hypocrites who hide behind the bible. His is a convicted felon and he is as hateful as the Jerry Falwells and Robertsons.
He believes either you are with us (Christianity) or you are against us. And I am a Christian and yet can't stand this hypocrite.
johninves 4 years ago
Colson has lived a life of superb integrity, has ministered to thousands and thousands of prison inmates (what Jesus has commanded ALL of us to do), has influenced millions with his writings, and is the single greatest apologist for the Christian gospel today....if that's 'hypocrisy,' we should ALL be so hypocritical...
johnlorican 4 years ago
Colson has lived a life of superb integrity.."
I guess that's why he is a convicted felon and was disbarred from the practice of law, huh?
".. has ministered to thousands and thousands of prison inmates .."
He's fighting in 8th UC CCOA to overturn a Federal District Court hearing that deprives his "prison ministry" millions in government funding. There's his real priority: money.
BenAliGtor 4 years ago
Mr. Colson received the Templeton Prize in 1993, a $1,000,000 award granted to an individual who has made a significant contribution towards the advancement of religion. He gave the entire award to Prison Fellowship without keeping a dime. Colson's personal income from PF annually is $60,000. Sorry, his real priority is advancing the TRUTH of the Gospel - not money. Your unsubstantiated attack is without substance...
johnlorican 4 years ago
"Colson's personal income from PF annually is $60,000.."
And his income from other sources? All derived by peddling his perverted form of Christianity to the gullible.
BenAliGtor 4 years ago
a 'perverted form of Christianity to the gullible?' Why are you so bitter, Ben?
johnlorican 4 years ago
Chuck Colson has ministered to thousands upon thousands of prison inmates around the world, has visited over 600 prisons, has written books that have influenced millions, and is the single most articulate apologist for the gospel of Christ living today....if only the rest of us lived in what you refer to as a 'gutter.'
johnlorican 4 years ago
Worldview Academy is AWESOME!
ghostjs 5 years ago
I love Chuck Colson. I'm not familiar with 'Worldview Academy,' however.
johnlorican 5 years ago
i'm just the opposite =P Worldview academy is an awesome Christian leadership camp.
bequavious 5 years ago
The Academy sounds interesting...and if Chuck is behind it, that's about all I need (!)
johnlorican 5 years ago