American Mosques, the North American Islamic Trust & the Muslim Brotherhood

[Visitor586]

Frank you go get'em. Keep talking out your arse, it will eventually smell so bad that it will kill all the rats. I hope you have plan to keep rest of us safe from your poison.

[dillarus]

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[hafeez587]

the champion of so called democracy..who took no time to take U-turn shameless as hell...wants to impose their capitalist system..oh first it was communism which was bad, now its sharia...ok for USA them only capitalism is best solution..why double standards..?? my ass if they know about sharia or communism..fat asses..with pain of 9/11 and overlook thousand of killing in IRAQ and Afghanistan and Pakistan..GAY FOX NEWS and hypocrite neocons..

[ibph2000]

DISGUSTING ZIONISTS. YOUR DAYS COMING TO THE END.

[kkeewiinn2]

@ibph2000 Fuck off. You're religion has more holes in it than Swiss Cheese.

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[Leonnidik]

Absolutely the mosques are the terrorist trade schools in America. We don't need to fight them overseas, they are here, plotting, laughing at how easy it is to terrorize America because of the freedom it provides. Close our borders, no immigration, for 50 yrs. At Least!!!

[619Niners]

FAUX NEWS

[betodesign101]

@619Niners why you mad? and hasnt the state of california been bankrupt for over 15yrs?

[silmalila]

FRANK IS RIGHT.

[silmalila]

Thank God Americans are waking up. Islam cannot be tolerated in the USA because the majority of them promote sharia - which is sedition.

They also recruit jihadists out of the mosques - this cannot, again, be tolerated in these United States.

[hamba2han]

George Washington once wrote:

...the Government of the United States ... gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance. ... May the children of the Stock of Abraham, who dwell in this land, continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other Inhabitants; ...

Since Muslims are also "the children of the Stock of Abraham", anyone who says that Muslims are not welcomed in America is an un-American bigot in the eyes of George Washington.

Gaffney is a shamelessly sick bigot.

[lizzywyg]

This is the problem, exactly. You present people with facts, and they still refuse to accept it. The one guy knows Frank Gaffney is a serious thinker, yet even when Gaffney tells him he's got the facts, he refuses to listen. This is what the jihadists count on, and it's working beautifully for them.

[mosquewatcher]

Great video Sir.

[BoredToDistraction]

Please watch 'Jihad Exposed: Anjem Choudary - Walid Shoebat - Bakri - Saleem'

watch?v=o-A9MK6UlNE

[USoSilly2Me]

Mosque need to be outlawed in America.

[sirhcskoorb]

The build of vices against the creep of Islam is too slow and we are going to pay a price for it.

Many more lives will be lost because people can't stop lying to themselves and fact the facts.

[jimmmmybrady]

Islam is fulfilling Bible prophecy AS the beheading,Antichrist Beast.

[PureInertia]

This is bullshit.... Practicing shariah can involve something as harmless as not eating pork and can extend to variety of other nasty things including terrorism. Just like following the bible can involve something as simple as observing the sabbath and can extend to other nasty things like stoning your children to death. Linking terrorism with Shariah is like linking infanticide with the bible.

[CandelicaDelJoha]

@PureInertia not at all. the bible is a text, interperted by its followers. so is the kuran. sharia is a religoes law that people live by. no jew or christian kill or rape or stone in the name of their religion, but muslims do. i agree islam's followers can practice it peacefully, but many of them don't, and the extent of their violence in and out of their country is beyond measure. i truly hope another form of islam will replace it, feel free to lead the way!

[PureInertia]

@CandelicaDelJoha I'm not Muslim, but I used to be... Shariah is also an interpretation of text with. There are and have been Christians that killed and raped in the name of their religion. That's what the crusades were and plenty of US troops think they're killing for their god in Iraq. Witch hunting practices are still carried out in places around the world where even children end up being butchered because of the bible. Media obviously has biases that don't focus on these things though.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia uh, 270 million deaths caused by Islam since its invention 14 centuries ago. No other religion/political ideology comes close. 2010 annual Jihad report: 1987 attacks in 46 countries, 9175 killed, 17436 critically injured. Dangerous disturbed people are born everywhere. Only Islam develops them in INDUSTRIAL QUANTITIES, still in the 21st century. It is also the only 'religion' where a narcissistic schizophrenic psychopath is sold as 'most perfect man on earth'. Coincidence?

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction 270 Million deaths caused by Islam since it's invention eh? Where are you getting these numbers from? Anyone that declares them self to be in communication with god or the supernatural and endowing importance to themselves as a result of such is by definition narcissistic and schizophrenic. There goes every religion. Yes, that includes Jesus. Jesus may not have been a psychopath, but as god he is as violent and megalomaniacal as the worst tyrants in history.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia I believe these figures are common knowledge. Go to 'political islam[dot]com', click on 'tears of jihad' - all the references you need. We can't erase history, just apologise. Islam never does: it is perfect. Obviously anybody believing they communicate with god is deluded. That doesn't necessarily mean they are hateful, dangerous, & have nothing special to offer. Many artists, thinkers, some scientists, are schizophrenic. And exceptional. Yr last sentence makes no sense.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction "Common Knowledge"? May this be the argument ad populum?. If this is common knowledge explain why no one I have spoken to has heard these figures. I have the answer , I looked up your sources. All the figures mentioned are based on estimates drawn from circumstantial inconclusive evidence. Not only are the numbers in question, but the very veracity of the authors too have been criticised. Why you would trust such nonsense is amusing to me...

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Common knowledge for anybody bothered to study islam history. I do study it. Some deny the Holocaust. I have no time for these people. So your argument is something like: nobody I spoke to know this. And some argue 9.5 million Buddhists were killed, not 10. i have no time at all for this, thank you.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction It's no surprise for me to see that you do not wish to see the world outside of your little bubble of fear and delusion. I can find no source for the claim that 10 million Buddhists were killed other than one by biased Christian authors that have been criticised for skewing data in their favour. If the number is 10 million it only compares to Leopold's colonialism of the Congo. A number he achieved in much lesser time. All the other numbers, however are grossly inaccurate.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Islamic imperialism, an illusion? Look at maps, 7th to 21st century. Then talk about european 'imperialism'! How is the genocide of Congolese people relevant TODAY? Keep denying there's a problem with Islam. Just wait until global civilisation is replaced with medieval sharia - there will be no-one left to cry to. Oh, but as a (supposedly) ex-muslim, you'll be dead. According to muslim clerics & the 4 main schools of islamic jurisprudence, not me.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction No one denies Islamic Imperialism. The only thing in question is it's exaggeration. The actions surrounding that genocide of the Congolese people is what led to the first and second Congolese wars, which is the largest African conflict in modern history. Over 5 million people died! But you probably don't care about Africans. I'm appalled by your the last part of you post as it's fallaciously appealing to consequences as support for your decrepit arguments. How dishonest!

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia I don't care about Africans losing their lives? I care about anybody losing their lives. There is one race, human. Islam is the most dangerous ideology today - that's a FACT. Dishonest arguments? Most of my sources are ex-Muslims risking their lives to warn the world of what's coming. Apostates Ibn Warraq, Noonie Darwish, Wafa Sultan, Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, Brigitte Gabriel, Ayaan Hirsi Ali...

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Honestly, I don't know if Islam is the most dangerous ideology today. It's hard to measure. My sources are mostly my own experiences, what I've seen in the Middle East myself and what I've gathered from talking and questioning people of different faiths around the world. As well as my own thoughts from when I was a Muslim. An ideology can only be as violent as it's adherents. Islam is too often violently interpreted, but Muslims are human, so why are they different?

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Not that hard to measure. Islam is involved in 90+% of conflicts in the world. Within 3 yrs, Iran may get the atomic bomb, and give nuclear missiles to other islamic states, Hezbollah, etc... Most muslims are still, I believe, just like everybody else. They interpret islam, don't know it, or ignore its (many) ugly aspects. But Saudi Arabia controls 80% of mosques, and new generations of muslims are taught and embrace the 'real', literal islam - qu'ran, haddiths, sharia.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction I wouldn't call it the "real" Islam to be honest. They're all interpretations in the end. I've read the Quran. It's self-contradictory. It has messages of peace and war in both Meccan and Medinan Surah. There is no distinct chronology to depict which ones are "abrogated". It's pick and choose. If you look at this as the "real" Islam, it's hard not to feel overwhelmed by a sense of doom around the issue, but it really is not. Christianity is the same. So why are Muslims worse?

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia The chronology was set in the early centuries of islam. The 4 main schools of jurisprudence agree on 70% of the Islamic doctrine. Disagreements on qur'anic understanding between states, clerics, mosques, organisations, don't make islam less of a threat; it just means many Muslim people lose their lives too.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction I'm not sure how you measure the amount that the 4 main schools agree on or not. Disagreements on what is true or not among Muslims makes all the difference depending on the amount of people that disagree with it. If 99% of Muslims think Islam is a peaceful bunny -loving religion, the last 1% would have to wipe out the rest or convert them. This raises an interesting question... Are the militants simply a large percentage or are peaceful Muslims being converted?

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia I don't measure their agreement, academics do. I'll find the reference if you need me to. If 99% of Muslims practiced Islam as a peaceful religion (no matter what its books say), Islam would be a peaceful religion. This is not the case. Your last sentence: I think both are true. What is worrying is that since September 11th & all the subsequent terrorist attacks in the West, Muslims are more enthusiastic than ever about their religion. There is something seriously wrong there...

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Please cite your reference, I'll find out how they measured it. Nevertheless I must demonstrate something to you. If 1% of Muslims were militant, that would give us ten million militant Muslims. Are you saying that there are more than 10 million militant Muslims worldwide? If so, what is your source for this? Furthermore, there is nothing wrong with Muslims turning to their god when they see Muslim countries being bombed despite dissent. They feel persecuted.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia I'll look for references tomorrow. Figures are hard to come by, but i'll see what i can find...

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Thanks... feel free to PM it to me.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Christianity is not a political programme. The Church was, and it was forced to reform. Islam is totalitarian. It does not differentiate between religion & politics. It has ruled in many parts of the middle east & elsewhere for thousands of years. It is getting more powerful & popular (& cruel). Reform is (practically?) impossible. It must lose its political ambitions. I know some muslim people would agree, but many more would argue it would no longer be islam.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Christianity routinely encroaches politics in countries where it isn't supposed to. Religion does not differentiate between itself and politics. This is because people adhere to religions and people make the rules. Politics, religions... these are all extensions of human kind and as a result of such it will always include the values that those humans hold dear. Islam is not growing more powerful. Mankind is... It isn't more cruel at all. It is exposed...

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Christianity encroaches. It is not infiltrating to take over. Islam IS growing more powerful. Since Saudi Arabia, and above all, since the Iranian revolution. It is getting more cruel. Iran and Saudi judges have people amputated, blinded with acid, eyes surgically removed, virgins raped before execution so they don't get to paradise, children executed. List goes on. Whole generations of kids, can't remember which countries, are being trained to become suicide bombers. This is new.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Christianity only encroaches because the many Christian countries reformed and set rules so as to never allow that to happen, yet it does. It's only been since the mid 1900s that the United Kingdom had done away with prosecuting people for blasphemy and America for mistreating people for not being white. Yet organisations like the KKK and racism persisted. Also... please cite your sources for those horrific crimes. I don't distrust you, I might need it for someone else...

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Christians, like Hindus, Buddhists, atheists like myself, etc., are allowed to encroach, that is what pluralistic societies are about. Christianity doesn't legislate on moral or religious behaviour. The KKK is a fringe movement, not like Islamism. Racism is universal. It is partly caused by brain mechanisms that we learn to override, but it may never fully disappear.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Sources: the 70-80% agreement on the Islamic doctrine: YouTube video of Robert Spencer, watch?v=FpEFJLDICeE. Also watch?v=Euv1HqZcKl0 & other videos/articles by David Yerushalmi. Long but great report on Sharia: go to civitas[dot]org[dot]uk, click on 'free e-books', click on 'Sharia Law or One Law for All'. Read especially the attitude surveys of British Muslims: youth versus older generations.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Horrific sharia punishments, try these websites: JihadWatch (e.g., 'spine of defendant', 'chocolate thief'), WFAFI, Human Rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran on Wikipedia, etc. YouTube video of Noonie Darwish: watch?v=s8LwPJ2ucKk. Many videos on YouTube, amputations, stoning, and so on. I wish I had time to look for more sources, but work is piling up. I have really enjoyed talking to you, despite nearly giving up. You make some good points and you keep an open mind. Take care :)

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Exaggeration? The OIC is already changing the rules at the UN; the Muslim Brotherhood and their front-organisations are doing so everywhere else. It's huge, and it's real.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Are they changing things to support an Islamist agenda or to suit their own personal greed?

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia At the UN, to prevent scrutinisation of islamic human rights abuses and 'expansion', and to eventually rule the organisation. Already they are the largest voting block, but Iran now wants veto rights. Muslim Brotherhood & co, to take over democratic states and implement sharia globally. Not greed, although definitely on a power trip. Sincere, deluded and ruthless.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction You kind of lost me at the Muslim Brotherhood part... The Muslim Brotherhood isn't part of the UN. Do you seriously think that the UN hasn't enough clout to change the Muslim countries, but that western countries will bow to their commands and simply implement barbaric Shariah in their countries? I understand your concern for the Arab bloc in the UN, to be honest... but in the end it's just a bloc, blocs don't always agree on the same issues they're just a group of countries.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Saving on space, didn't make myself clear. OIC at the UN, Muslim Brotherhood & co everywhere else. UN: look for videos by human rights activist David Littman. OIC is just a block, but represents 57 states. It is already deciding what can't be discussed by the UN commission & has its own declaration of human rights, which is Sharia. The muslim birth rate is higher than non-muslims. With immigration & converts, France & Germany could be islamic within 4 decades. Sharia by vote.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Yes... you are right. I was just reading up on the CDHR and I'll admit that's some pretty scary shit, but this being said, It's not a threat the the UN. Those countries that advocate for this declaration to be implemented are already implementing those rules (They're actually breaking their own rules). They're not going to change immediately and even if they did, they would face a threat from within their own infrastructure instead of mere debates at summits.

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia They have no intention to change. It is going in the opposite direction. Non-muslim representatives have started quoting the islamic declaration. I believe the balance of power is changing. Some have argued that a new United Nations should be formed, for democratic countries. It has become meaningless.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction The CDHR should be quoted, it has been around for 20 years. The OIC is not going to change by being ignored.

Maybe another UN does need to be formed, but some of the countries in the OIC are allegedly democratic. Perhaps a secular UN is required, but what purpose would it serve other than for those countries to give each other a pat on the back. And what happens when the Islamic countries retaliate with their own UN where they're not observed? What happens then?

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia The CDHR is never going to change, because Sharia is not going to change. As for the UN, it's either creating a new one, or making membership conditional on a code of conduct. This has also been suggested. What happens if democratic countries cut ties with islamic ones? I don't know. But appeasement and accommodation are total failures, and give legitimacy to the unacceptable. No easy answer, sorry.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction That's not solving the problem either. That's just ignoring it. At least this way you can condemn them. Your method just lets to go on doing at they please. If there's anything we've learnt over time it's that separating a group of people from another because they're bad (like in prison) does not make them better. It makes them worse!

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia Getting tough is not ignoring the problem. Cooperating is, when it has failed utterly for decades. To keep repeating the same behaviour hoping that this time, or 'one day', it will work, when all evidence is pointing to the contrary, is not just foolishness but insanity. We become accomplices of evil & compromise our own value system. It did not work with nazism, it's not working now with sharia, and if we don't make a stand soon, there will be no going back.

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction Setting up a new UN would just be ignoring the problem really. That's not getting tough at all. Getting tough would be doing things like issuing diplomatic and economic sanctions, which is something they may not be willing to do. The big question is: Does "getting tough" help? If so what do we do and why?

[BoredToDistraction]

@PureInertia I don't know HOW, but it seems obvious to me that there is nowhere else to go now. Free people who believe in human rights and democracy must assert, and fight for these values again. WHY: for our sake, and because we're the only ones that can (still) do it, without being jailed, tortured, and/or killed. I really gotta go :( Perhaps we can continue in a couple of weeks, when I'm less busy... From bored to distraction to pure inertia, it's been a pleasure ;)

[PureInertia]

@BoredToDistraction I'm not really sure what to do either, to be honest. I don't know what would help the situation, but I admire your spirit and persistence to want to create some positive change.

It's been a pleasure.

[soundmethod]

@CandelicaDelJoha Jews dont kill in the name of religion? What planet are you living in. There has been so much Jewish Terrorism in the State of Israel there have been many books written on the subject. Rabin was assassinated by a religious fanatic. Settlers kill often in the name of religion. You need to go to your public library and read son books.

[mosquewatcher]

Very good video.

[theshaggyshow]

of course they are... all of them...