Here are the HHO facts as of 2011; this is growing industry and America of course is behind the times. Why? BIG OIL PTB (powers that be) are not allowing HHO systems to be manufactured in USA. You can buy industrial HHO systems (welders/generators) from China/Korea TODAY. It's proven technology that has been around since early 1900's. Don't believe me? Just Google (industrial HHO generator China) website called "Alibaba". BIG OIL (PTB) has control for now, but they're becoming extinct dinosaur.
unfortunately this system of getting electricity from water is so ineffecient you might as well feed the hydrogen and oxygen straighT into the engine intake.. = 0 emisions 'cept water, and we can convert every car that exists, instead of having to buy a brand new one :-\ this is what the governments been stalling ppl with for 50 years... HHO generators are being used NOW, to save fuel or cut it off completely.
unfortunately this system of getting electricity from water is so ineffecient you might as weed feed the hydrogen and oxygen straighT into the engine intake.. = 0 emisions 'cept water, and we can convert every car that exists, instead of having to buy a brand new one :-\ this is what the governments been stalling ppl with for 50 years... HHO generators are being used NOW, to save fuel or cut it off completely.
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the oil companies should convert their gasoline factories into solar/wind powered hydrogen factories and all problems are solved, they stay rich and as an added bonus the planet just might live
@aaronrose83 storing hydrogen = anything punctures the tank you have a massive explosion.. ya.. good job creating that 45 foot crater in the earth... duuuh
@Me102288 yeah like gasoline or propane wouldnt do the same thing duuuh!!!! and besides Im sure our engineers are smart enough to design a tank that wont get punctured
@aaronrose83 for one, gasoline is flammable, not explosive. theres a few video's on here of the comparision, hho ignites about 100x faster then gasoline. I aint talking about storing it. HHO drycells are on demand systems. Dousn't really matter, theres only maybe 2 hyrdogen fueling stations in the world.. lol
@Me102288 "storing hydrogen = anything punctures the tank you have a massive explosion". You don't understand HOD (hydrogen on demand) systems; your not storing hydrogen but H2O (water). The most that will happen if puncture the tank is get all wet.
How much LPM is needed to run Opel Vectra B with 1.8L engine, and how much Tank of water must to be to do this think??? I need it to cross 100km?? Thanks
This one bit the dust before it got off the ground ... Click on the link above and about the third one down translate it,,, this company closed down...
@ Joeviocoe My engine requires about 11 gallons water electrolyzed to run full throttle at over 500 hp for one minute. Dr. Steve Eaton also at youtube, is electrolyzing 1 liter per .5 watts per second. My engine (any engine almost) can be fitted with a side mounted generator well beyond 12v, say 10000 watts continuous power, that draws 10 hp from the engine. 10000 watts at .5w for each electrolyzer would be 20000 liters a second. Learn peswiki dot com/index.php/Site:HydrogenRocketBodyPack
@jessedenson 12volt at 1 amp is 12 watts.. 1 volt at 12 amps is 12 watts.. it took a 118 plate cell 240voltts at over 60 amps to produce 30 litres per minute... I think you mixing your measements up a bit, cuz the highest output permanent magnet alternator on the planet that can be mounted to an ice puts out 160 amps at 12volts.thats 2 kilowatts or 2000 whats.... the man that generated 30 litres a minute was on the 240 main in his house...
@wilberry7 actually its an oddball since its atomic, turns out its heat is generated only in the last 1/10 of the explosion, and its already turning back to water :-\ no modifications needed to an engine to run this stuff
IT WORKS. Dont believe the morons that pretend they are experts. They talk big with their comments but have no PROOF. Stan Meyer had proof and the rest of the world does too. Many people are using these now!! You cant stop us now!!
bob lazar has been running vehicals on this with explosion proof storage tanks getting up to 700 miles out of 3 small tanks but he uses an electrolyzer and then converts it to hydride he claims you can store way more in that state then if it was in a liquid state. he`s trying to get a plant up and running in detroit.his system uses solar or wind to charge up the tanks with the hydride conversion.and can switch to gas rather quickly.
However, we have yet to overcome the many obstacles we face in the current world, to bring our systems to market. Moreover, the costs of development have become very large.
As our resources are very limited, we need to retrench and reassess our resources and our development plans at this time, and we are accordingly closing our website.
Big Corporate entities shut them down Ill bet and thats just a way of saying goodbye while saving face.. Its up to us the people, the free willed individuals who will not submit to their influence my friends. This is what GENEPAX has posted on their todays website.
nobody knows anything more about what is in the car.
From the sound of it in the TV piece, it has a very robust hydroxy generator, It is has been suppressed.. Japan has it's own MIB, too.
It is less accurate to say that "government" suppresses this stuff. Our government is still a function of those who participate in it robustly. Unfortunately - it is corporate and industrial interests who have participated most robustly not for people. Time we get back into government!
@WTU208 backwards.Stan Meyers made a HHO (lookup brown's gas on wikipedia) into a normal combustion engine, and got it to produce enough 2 parts Hydrogen / 1 parts oxygen (HHO) through basic electrolysis to run the car.Thus the whole Run Your car on water, These units work with gasoline to reduce your gasoline.. Now, this thing on video, is same thing, BUT, it puts hho back towater and gets electricity from it, to run an electric engine to run the car.. very inefecient.
@Me102288 I think I read something about it in my chemistry class. What you need its a "catalizer" some molecules brake up in the presence of some other materials, and the catalizer never brakes up in the presence of those molecules.
Now that I think abut it, they do use platinum as a catalizer in the exhaust of vehicles to brake up carbon monoxide, if this is true then I guess its oxygen that splits in the presence of platinum, and that's how they get their Hydrogen. I think.
@Ramiromasters nope, just 2 pieces of rust proof metal and a bit of electrity, this isnt a fuel cell its a fuel generator :-) electrolysis generates hydrgen from water.. and after hydrogen is burnt, it goes back to... water! to be reused over and over again, because the laws state you cant destroy energy :-\
Too many people in bed with the oil tycoons, those who tax, drill, process, import, & finally the consumer aka- combustion engines...the hydrogen bridge is almost crossed...Obama needs to get a CLUE! I inject HHO/hydrogen into my truck at almost 20 GPH to reduce emissions and increase MPG and HP.
All you idiots will get I big I told you so some day. Its like these doubters don't want us to break away from coal and oil. Most likely they have oil for blood and coal for brains. Hydrogen is plentiful oil is not.
About the info to the top right about this video; I told my dad about the same stuff. But one of his replies was that if we as americans allowed this sort of technology to be let out onto the market,think about how many people would be put out of a job because of it. And what would THAT do to our economy? Debatable I'm sure. I dig that car though. Why in the heck can't I find a how-to about how to build a car like that??? I look for free energy stuff for at least a half hour a day.
Actually, using water as a fuel is much less efficient than using straight electricity to power your car (The EV1 was the answer but it was destroyed by GM)
I'm with you on that note! I'd like to see most homes in an off the grid mode, even though the initial cost is great the system will pay for itself in time for it to stil give years of fre clean power to the home...
ceimore,u sound like a hater from the BUSH/prince united emirates family!!!I just wish that OUR leaders say enough is enough & get on board to mass produce this wonderful new tychnology.If there is kinks to iron,THEN IRON THEM!!DO it NOW b4 CHINA DOES!!!!
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Hydrogen can only have 1 bond, so how would you get HHO without using some sort of nuclear chemistry....Brown's Gas(Oxyhydrogen) is not HHO, technically it is a mixture of H2 and O2 gases, typically in a 2:1 molar ratio. That's just the start of the problems with under hood electrolysis. Run a car on something that would actually provide energy. Don't waste your time on a useless extra step in making an electric car less efficient via electrolysis and combustion of H2.
Of course they can't claim over unity, but I promise you they will soon when more people recognize this "electrolysis" process. You really think galvanic corossion obey the chemistry equation.... muahaha the time is now.
Genepax received local media attention and also Youtube attention.
Not because of what they have claimed, but what they have omitted.
They built a Fuel-cell electric car like many other concepts before it. But they combined it with on-board hydrolysis of water via a chemical reactant.
But since the focus on was on the water part, they captured attention.
Now, they will go off and market something simple and plain but use their fame to get more customers.
Oh and Genepax isn't claiming anything like more energy out than being put in. They admit they use a material to cause hydrolysis and that the MEA (Membrane Electrode Assembly) has a catalyst and an electrolyte membrane that MUST be refilled.
It is another form of energy conversion from chemical to electrical using water only as a carrier.
Genepax uses a chemical form of electrolysis using a refillable catalyst and then a fuel cell to turn the hydrogen into electricity for the car.
did you even here what they siad there is no external input meaning they don't put any more energy into the car so they have found some way to run the car on 100% water
Forgive me if I am not holding on to the "half-assed" reporting done in the video. I am getting my information DIRECT from the Genepax website.
And they admit that there is a chemical reaction to convert water into hydrogen. There are many different chemicals that will do this but they ALL get consumed. There is no free ride!
"The way it's usually done is with metal hydrides. These react with water to produce hydrogen, which is then used to power the car. But since these hydrides will deplete with time, they need to be replaced and so they are actually the fuel, not the water. And you can be sure that more energy will go into producing them than will be taken out, making them an energy carrier, just like a battery."
Are you trying to say that the cost of the metal used to electrolyze water would end up costing more to replace than running a normal gas powered vehicle? What are you smoking?
Have you done lab test on metal hydrides or any other chemically induced hydrogen production?
Since hydrogen is such a light gas, it requires a HUGE volume of it to equal the energy of gasoline. About 3200 times less energy per unit volume for uncompressed hydrogen. That means, even if you see hydrogen pouring out by the liter, you would need 3200 gallons to equal 1 gallon of gasoline. Yes liquid hydrogen is better (3g of LH per 1g of gas).
A small, cheap amount of metal would not give 3200g.
Kind of true but. Hydrogen has the highest energy content of any common fuel by weight(about three times more than gasoline), but the lowest energy content by volume (about four times less than gasoline).
slider is starting to use arguments and combining them in a seemingly logic manner. I am impressed!!
However, I still have to reprehend you. First of all, you do not say in what aggregation state you are comparing these two carriers of energy (liquid or gaseous?). By taking you seriously in what you have said, it is assumed that the density of gasoline is 15 times higher than the one of H2 (gaseous or liquid??), under normal conditions??
Secondly, the energy density of a energy carrier is one
ShanHiDix is right, I did not say the state of Hydrogen and Gasoline because I was stating the amount of energy by "weight".
Hydrogen is more powerful (by weight)than gasoline. Liquid Hydrogen has a BTU (British Thermal Unit) of 60,000 per pound where as gasoline has a BTU of 18,000 per pound.
A gallon of gasoline has a mass of 6.0 pounds, the same gallon of liquid hydrogen only has a mass of 0.567 pounds. Gasoline is much more dense. So one gallon of gasoline yields 125,400 BTUs of energy while a gallon of liquid hydrogen yields only 34,643 BTUs.
... is one key determinant, but not the decisive one, as nothing remains changed regarding to the fact that hydrogen needs to be produced artificially (by using oil, for instance) and that the storage of H2 still causes some problems.
Yep. You are right. This is a determinant but not a hurdle that can't be overcome. Oil is one way and this may be the most expensive way. This is why if hydrogen is going to have a future we need to have every possible renewable energy source put into play. There are MANY options out there for hydrogen production and as oil goes for over $140 a barrel U.S. just about anything is a option. Big oil has shot themselves in the foot.
There are more to blame for the price of oil than big oil companies but this is the most obvious. Government, Investors, Greed, value of the dollar, etc.
That seems wrong. Do you have a source for this? If the ratio of water to uncompressed HHO is 1860:1 for a quart, why would it be different for gallons?
Either way, the best electrolyzers are measured in 1 - 10 liters of HHO per minute. So even at 10 liters per minute, thats 2.6 gallons/min.
So it would take 22 hours to make the 3500 gallons of HHO to equal the one gallon of gasoline in the best portable HHO generators in a car.
Just a quick note to Joeviocoe Didnt you know that if using petrol or diesel for that matter a larger proportion of the hydrocarbons in thoes fuels goes out of the exhaust thats what a lambda sensor if for to make sure u wasting the right amount of fuel. Hydrogen for that matter burns completly no waste just cleaner air and water out the exhaust.
Also I have no facts to hand but will look to substanciate ur figures or not.could you tell me where you got your figures from please.
Like I say I have no actual facts YET but I know petrol is made up of over 300 different chemicals all supposedly doing different good things to ur engine. I have also read that the goverment dont know what petrol made up of, because oil giants so big goverment cant take em on. We can find out calorific values of GAS (propane, butane) but not PETROL.
"larger proportion of the hydrocarbons in thoes fuels goes out of the exhaust"
By EPA regulation, modern cars (1974 and later), only have about 1% unburned hydrocarbons out the exhaust from the engine. Then the catalytic converter takes care of that 1%. So final emissions are usually just CO2, CO, NOx, and water vapor.
By saying you get a "more complete burn", the best you can get is an increase of 1%.
A car can be run off just HHO with no other sort of fuel at all or it can be used to supliment the main fuel supply.Either way it needs the use of an electronic box to fool the lambda.
But I asked you where you got your figures for the values of petrol???
Which values are you speaking of? I will try to send you a link (through message because YT won't allow a comment with links).
1) No one is arguing that a car cannot run off hydrogen, either pure or supplement. But the quantity of HHO must be MUCH higher than these on-the-fly kits of 2-4 liters per minute. Since it would take 3200 liters of Hydrogen to equal 1 liter of gasoline.
2) Fooling the lambda runs the engine lean and that is the ONLY way to get better MPG from HHO!
I have worked out a few figures on it a while ago. BUT how do we/I know what amount of hydrogen is needed (seen write ups saying 4%)but I want to know is this based on the calarific value of hydrogen or on the volume? $% was volume but hydrogen has a higher cal. value.
If you no long want to persue this discussion then no prob.
Internal energy... Everything has it. In fuels, it is the most important thing. Measured in BTUs, Megajoules, Calories, Kilowatts, whatever. It is all the same. Gasoline has 3,600 times more energy in it than the same volume of Hydrogen(liter, gallon, etc.)
Ignore the energy by mass (pound, kg, etc.) because you would need to fill a bedroom with hydrogen to get a pound of it...>
A car cruising at 60mph that gets 30 mpg at that speed would use 2 gallon in 1 hours, or .033 gallons per minute. That is 0.126 liters per minute (LPM).
Since HHO has 1/3600th the energy density of gasoline it would take 453.6 LPM to run that same car on pure HHO. This is uncompressed HHO by the way, as that is what comes out of your on-board devices.
But lets assume your right, that you can see improvements in MPG with just 4% supplemental HHO. Thats 18.144 LPM
Most automotive engineers would say it is more like at least 10% hydrogen before you would see a significant change in combustion. That is 45 Liters per minute.
Ask the manufacturers of your HHO kits how much gas by volume is produced. They run about 2 - 4 liters per minute. That is less than 1% of HHO.
That won't do anything other than fool the ECU into leaning the mixture and screwing with timing, and producing higher compression and MUCH more NOx.
Now, the best cars (or Stan's dune buggy) can get up to 50 mpg and say it is cruising at 50 mph... thats 1 gallon per hour and .0166 gallons per minute.
So a electrolyzer in a car would need to produce about 58 gallons of uncompressed HHO per minute to sustain operation. That is about 220 liters per minute.
Now... tell me that Stan Meyer or anyone has gotten over 200 liters of HHO per minute using an electrolyzer on a 12v car battery or alternator.
ghe was using standard electrolysis as we know it it was special without the use of an electrolyte he could produce enough gas to run an engine maybe not 220 litres per minute but more then standard electrolysis that what was magical about stanleys system
His patents that everyone drools over and worships because they are "patent" NEVER actually claim an amount of HHO produced in a given time with a given wattage.
That was his false claim. Everything else was true about his device. But like most good cons, it was 95% true and only 5% lie.
Stan was so damn secretive about his magic.
Even at 100% efficiency, NO DEVICE can produce that much (over 200 liters/min) with so little watts. And yes, the laws of physics back me up.
And the energy required to break out pure hydrogen from water comes from...?
It would probably be an economic win for you as a person to drive this car because of the oil-price atm, but don't think that you're some enviormentalist, cause you're not.
I thought you wanted to give us answer to where you think the energy to fraction the water into H2 and O2 comes from? W'd be delighted to hear that! Who said I am an environmentalist? Effectively, I do much more 4 t environm. than most of the so-called en'talist who offer solutions which are very often more detrimental to the env'nt than conventional technology (e.g. hybrid cars), because they don't spend a second finding a real solution, but are just free riders of the need to find a solution.
OK GrassHopper Fine I will tell you. Now sit down and listen. The main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction. With the new process, the cell needs only water and air, eliminating the need for a hydrogen reformer and high-pressure hydrogen tank.
Moreover, the MEA requires no special catalysts, and the required amount of rare metals such as platinum is almost the same as that of existing systems. It is expected to have a longer life because catalyst degradation (poisoning) caused by CO does not occur on the fuel electrode side.
The water energy system 1 has a cell in which a fuel electrode 3 and an oxygen electrode 4 are faced with each other through a catalyst 2 same as a general fuel cell. The fuel electrode 3 is formed by carrying platinum on a sintered body of fine powder of zeolite, coral sand, and carbon black, the oxygen electrode 4 is formed by carrying ruthenium on the sintered body of fine powder of zeolite and carbon black.
I found that. Did I see somewhere it would only travel 188km? Well the 300 watt unit is the biggest one they have, it must take a few days to charge the battery to go that far.
as I said, my friend slider, you are not capable of writing any reasonable comment yourself (without any mistakes) that would make any sense. Thank you for confirming this assessment!
... as I was saying the best material/molecule to store hydrogen is a compound made of silicum. In order to store the equivalent amount of energy of around 50 liters of gasoline, you will need the tiny amount of 535 kg. Furthermore, it is not economical, as this transformations process costs more many than oil does. But most importantly, it is not ecologically beneficial, as you start with conventional energy to store hydrogen, so you lose much more energy until hydrogen can be used.
I am impressed. You were able to formulate some sentences without a mistake. This does not mean that you copied it from a different source, or did you? (yeah, you did. I just googled it). This is the "information" Genepax releases (which, of course, is erroneous). Again, this is a major mistake you make (not only copying something from the website of company that wants to sell you something). First of all, the chemical reaction provides only a little amount of hydrogen. The best chemical molecul
So here you are ... a good example of all these "free energy" bullshitters! Taking information from a website of a company which is shit and fraud, then halfly understanding it, without reflecting over it, trying to argue with people who just know it better!!!
The info Genepax released was erroneous and the president of Genepax quickly released a correction pointing out the use of alkali metal to produce hydrogen. All the membrane does is control what would otherwise be a fairly violent chemical reaction and allow hydrogen to be released in a controlled way. The system only puts out 300 watts -- just enough to top up the batteries if you wait a few hours!
300 Watts ... oh, the hell breaks lose. I am pretty sure that the typical customer of an M5 BMW, for instance, would be willing to wait a "few hours", first of all, and then to have 300 Watts at his disposal (info: the BMW M5 has got 507 BHP which is the equivalent of ca. 373,152 Watts (yeah, sure, pretty much the same only 124o times the power) and still the 300 watts do not come from nothing! I call it fraud, because they sell it as a car which only runs on water, which is not true!
Ldiovirida ... I do not know whether the term "fraud" is correct from a juridical point of view, from a moral point of view, anyhow, as they deliberately tried to sell (or are they still doing it) this chariot as a "green" car which runs only on water, a "free energy" system which produces its own energy to run. There is indeed a way to more ecological technologies, but it is slightly more onerous and takes more time and money. Of course, there is an incentive to come up with a lie.
certainly not, as hydrogen volatile and tends to form a bond with oxygen, as the molecule hydrogen is not stable, unless bound in another compound. Furthermore, the hydrogen would be produced to be burnt or used in a fuel-cell. But that's not the point and the problem, anyway.
For anyone interested. The car in the video is a Riva G wizz with a 13Kw electric motor and runs on lead acid batteries. Genepax have added a hydrogen fuel cell to extend the range by providing a further 300 watts. The hydrogen is generated by addition of water to an alkali metal, the reaction being controlled by a proprietary membrane technology.
It does not run on water. The energy comes from the alkali metal used.
Hydrogen can actually be separated from water quite easily using a metal. Just put a piece of aluminum in into some water and hydrogen will be released as the surface of the aluminum oxidizes. The problem is that such processes are not sustainable. Once the surface of the aluminum is fully oxidized, the reaction stops. After this, the material needs to be reprocessed so it can be used again. This part requires significant energy input, and more than you can get out of it!
I suspect they are using something more reactive like lithium or Calcium. The problem remains that these metals require a huge energy input to produce. Ultimately your primary energy source for this vehicle depends on how your electricity is generated.
yeah, you are getting the idea. That is what I am saying. In addition to that this process is not sustainable, i.e. once the metal is full oxidized, the reaction stops and the production of hydrogen stops, too.
(I mean I was saying that this car is just another stupid idea, not to say scam of the blind and stubborned free energy activist who think that they found a way how to eliminate the first law of thermodynamics, i.e. the law of conservation of energy)
In theory yes, you could use a metal as an energy carrier, in practice massively stupid, as you how much ... 200 tons of metals to carry the same amount of how much 50 liters of gasoline???
Not quite that bad especially with Lithium but yes, energy density is the key whatever way you do it. Gasoline is difficult to replace as the energy density is so high.
ShangHiDix, Water added to aluminum mixed with Gallium can produce hydrogen on demand. As a catalyst, the Gallium is not consumed. The oxidized aluminum can be recycled. The process is close to being cost competitive with petrol. So there you go grasshopper....
Oil comp. 'd not even take notice of this piece of shit, as it is crap, did not work & does not work. "Inventors" of it (btw, other stupid people in t Middle Ages already came up with this shit) did not even spend a sec on thinking about what they r saying/doing, they r not able to use any form of logic. Yes, they r "revolutionary out-of-the box thinkers", hihi. I don t know how it is in the US, but in Europe science is not done by people who ho should be cleaning windshields or mopping a floor.
So, providing the necessary current by a fuel cell which is fed by the hydrogen generated in the electrolysis process which is powered by the electricity from the engine which shall be powered by the current produced in the fuel cell is complete nonsense that only stupid Billy Bobs like you can believe! Hahahaha
The problem is human nature, the implementation of communism sure proved it. Human nature is neutral till investment, meaning while the oil companys will fend off alternatives the average by standard will just shrug and say "what does that have to do with me"; they are unaware of their investment. Only now that things are going crazy are people realizing their investment. Big oil the bank, and car company's all owned by the same people; knowing that you see how the world goes.
hihi ... I really have to come up with some fraud! Telling people that you "invented" free energy is a gold mine itself. Telling that you "invented" something that solves the world's energy problem is enough. Nobody even spends one second on critically analyzing it, they will buy this shit and even create a conspiracy theory to explain why this shit does not work at all. I really underestimated the stupidity of people. Hihihahah hoh hahahah ... too hilarious!! hihihih ..
eres mas estupido que pan! El precio siempre es el producto del mercado! You only can increase the price of water if the demand is high and supply is scarce.
We need solar powered facility that will use electrolysis to produce hydrogen all across the country.
We need our Washington bureaucrats to get off their duffs and get this done. Also we need them to keep this new industry out of the hands of Exxon, Shell, and other oil companies.
Hydrogen advocates like the National Hydrogen Association say we could put 70 percent of all Americans within 2 miles of a hydrogen fueling station for $10 to $15 billion. That is half the cost of the Trans Alaska Pipeline System (in today's dollars) and about what we're spending each month in Iraq.
Thats easy hook up the water hose and the electrical socket to the hydrogen generator in the back yard. What we need is a better centralized energy infrastructure, either nuclear in the short term, or radio waves from space in the long term.
another stupid Billy Bob, how I love them?! Oh, USA must be great! I need to go there ... you can sell something as a "great" invention which already has been explored almost two centuries ago. You can fracture water (H20) into hydrogen (H2), by using electricity, radiation, heat, ... but still the facts remain: you need more energy to fracture it than you get later by using H2. So, that s the "great" invention!! Hallelujah, USA!
where can i get one of them cars and i will buy it plzzzz
and the Oil company and government can kiss my ass ! i love driveing my car but it's killing me at the pump i had to cut my driveing by 90%! we all know they don't care about us, they are geting rich from us at the pump! if we all was driveing one of them like u say the Oil company and government they wound endup going tits up,, i wound buy a car like that and i think it's really cute to drive and all i need is water!
you do not need water. You need hydrogen, stupid dimshit.
As a start, you Billy Bobs in the US, could build cars that use energy efficiently and doe not consume as much as King Kong drinks beer for breakfast! Oh, forgot, you cannot build energy-efficient cars, or good cars at all. Better get them from Europe!
look here are you calling me a stupid dimshit? did i say anything bad to you. i sure did't.. only thing i can say to you,you need to grow up little boy
The comments I posted here will explain it, but I also can tell you, by thing that you only need water to run a car (ok, this is a misinformation that one easily can be fed on the internet) and the to use a "conspiracy theory" of evil, evil oil companies to explain why a fraudulent "invention" does not work.
but I have to apologize to you for using this rude word. Being confronted with the sheer endless size of stupidity of people here on the internet and the quasi mystical ability to withstand any form of logic made me lose my temper a little bit.
One thing is accepting misinformation, the other is the way how to analyze this "information" using logic and experiments. To this regard, many people consider an evidence something they see on youtube, or when somebody says to have seen
thank you, i'm here to learn new things and make my self a better man. and there is a lot of info out there, that we can learn from, and yes i believe you ! but we all have to look in to things here and learn from it too i'm sorry that made you a little upset i can get that way too... i love driveing and going to see my friends and family too as the gas keeps going up we all are hurting at the pump i'm sure you feel the same way too about this, Michael
Oil company and government around the world will not allow this technology out. some1 going to get kill or get very rich as for us, we will have to pay $4 a gallon. The oil company is stealing food from my children. I hope the choke on everything they eat. thanks for sharing the vid i hope they going to mass produce this car soon.
someone will die because of it. the oil companies like to kill off people who design things like this...unfortunately. The good news is that one day it will take off and the greedy bastards in Saudi Arabia will all be dirt poor again (or sand poor).
So, does this operate like a hydrogen fuel cell, but extracts hydrogen from water instead of carrying compressed hydrogen around? If so, its still going to be high dollar for the platinum they use in the fuel cell...
it simply sufficient to come up with a crappy website (which does not even work), to tell that you work on "clean energy" for 25 years (although your company was founded in 2006) and then tell everybody that you "invented" free energy. hihihihihi ..
Every year or so another bogus "inventor" announces their "secret" "revolutionary" technology for cars that run on water, engines that run on magnets, perpetual motion or other woo. Its all crap.
ita modified ravi electrique car with a built in fuel cell and an onboard on demande electrolysis system which is injecting hydrogen into the fuel cell which inturns powers the vehicle and charges battery at the same time. which is used to start the generator
Thats no good you have to buy a whole car just for that. Its could just be an electric motor with a water fuel cell powering a hydrogen fuel cell. This isnt it was made in the mid 80's. Watch my vids i'll explain.
Here are the HHO facts as of 2011; this is growing industry and America of course is behind the times. Why? BIG OIL PTB (powers that be) are not allowing HHO systems to be manufactured in USA. You can buy industrial HHO systems (welders/generators) from China/Korea TODAY. It's proven technology that has been around since early 1900's. Don't believe me? Just Google (industrial HHO generator China) website called "Alibaba". BIG OIL (PTB) has control for now, but they're becoming extinct dinosaur.
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amangesbaby 6 months ago
This is a real fuel cell you idiots. Not a HHO electrolysis browns gas generator.
LopakaW 8 months ago
@LopakaW Debbie Downer strikes again; lighten up.
yhenry77 2 months ago
The oil mafia will stop this with their crooked politicians,and their mercenary military industrial complex stooges.
4Freedomrider 10 months ago
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unfortunately this system of getting electricity from water is so ineffecient you might as well feed the hydrogen and oxygen straighT into the engine intake.. = 0 emisions 'cept water, and we can convert every car that exists, instead of having to buy a brand new one :-\ this is what the governments been stalling ppl with for 50 years... HHO generators are being used NOW, to save fuel or cut it off completely.
Me102288 11 months ago
unfortunately this system of getting electricity from water is so ineffecient you might as weed feed the hydrogen and oxygen straighT into the engine intake.. = 0 emisions 'cept water, and we can convert every car that exists, instead of having to buy a brand new one :-\ this is what the governments been stalling ppl with for 50 years... HHO generators are being used NOW, to save fuel or cut it off completely.
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polysemousncrk 1 year ago
japnese are legends
baddface6 1 year ago
the oil companies should convert their gasoline factories into solar/wind powered hydrogen factories and all problems are solved, they stay rich and as an added bonus the planet just might live
aaronrose83 1 year ago
@aaronrose83 storing hydrogen = anything punctures the tank you have a massive explosion.. ya.. good job creating that 45 foot crater in the earth... duuuh
Me102288 11 months ago
@Me102288 yeah like gasoline or propane wouldnt do the same thing duuuh!!!! and besides Im sure our engineers are smart enough to design a tank that wont get punctured
aaronrose83 11 months ago
@aaronrose83 for one, gasoline is flammable, not explosive. theres a few video's on here of the comparision, hho ignites about 100x faster then gasoline. I aint talking about storing it. HHO drycells are on demand systems. Dousn't really matter, theres only maybe 2 hyrdogen fueling stations in the world.. lol
Me102288 11 months ago
@Me102288 "storing hydrogen = anything punctures the tank you have a massive explosion". You don't understand HOD (hydrogen on demand) systems; your not storing hydrogen but H2O (water). The most that will happen if puncture the tank is get all wet.
yhenry77 1 month ago
@yhenry77 yup I've educated myself on the BMW Hydrogen 7, apperently its a lot safer then gasoline.
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narragansettharco 1 year ago
How much LPM is needed to run Opel Vectra B with 1.8L engine, and how much Tank of water must to be to do this think??? I need it to cross 100km?? Thanks
BlackZeroRS 1 year ago
This one bit the dust before it got off the ground ... Click on the link above and about the third one down translate it,,, this company closed down...
jessedenson 1 year ago
@ Joeviocoe My engine requires about 11 gallons water electrolyzed to run full throttle at over 500 hp for one minute. Dr. Steve Eaton also at youtube, is electrolyzing 1 liter per .5 watts per second. My engine (any engine almost) can be fitted with a side mounted generator well beyond 12v, say 10000 watts continuous power, that draws 10 hp from the engine. 10000 watts at .5w for each electrolyzer would be 20000 liters a second. Learn peswiki dot com/index.php/Site:HydrogenRocketBodyPack
jessedenson 1 year ago
@jessedenson 12volt at 1 amp is 12 watts.. 1 volt at 12 amps is 12 watts.. it took a 118 plate cell 240voltts at over 60 amps to produce 30 litres per minute... I think you mixing your measements up a bit, cuz the highest output permanent magnet alternator on the planet that can be mounted to an ice puts out 160 amps at 12volts.thats 2 kilowatts or 2000 whats.... the man that generated 30 litres a minute was on the 240 main in his house...
Me102288 8 months ago
It's been 2 years, hydrogen is just a bad idea, even the latest hydrogen powered cars cost $200,000+ and get about 20 miles per gallon of water.
frosted1030 1 year ago
pure HHO burns too hot and too fast
wilberry7 1 year ago
@wilberry7 actually its an oddball since its atomic, turns out its heat is generated only in the last 1/10 of the explosion, and its already turning back to water :-\ no modifications needed to an engine to run this stuff
Me102288 8 months ago
pure HHo will degrade the metal in todays current engines HHO burns too hot
wilberry7 1 year ago
This is a scam - please explain the exact mechanism via which energy is extracted from the water to push the car?!
walter0bz 1 year ago
IT WORKS. Dont believe the morons that pretend they are experts. They talk big with their comments but have no PROOF. Stan Meyer had proof and the rest of the world does too. Many people are using these now!! You cant stop us now!!
homebuiltindoorplane 1 year ago
Ya sure. If it works, then why aren't they selling new cars all over the world? I call BS.
KOakaKO 1 year ago
Thank god he is dead..
tonydow98 1 year ago
bob lazar has been running vehicals on this with explosion proof storage tanks getting up to 700 miles out of 3 small tanks but he uses an electrolyzer and then converts it to hydride he claims you can store way more in that state then if it was in a liquid state. he`s trying to get a plant up and running in detroit.his system uses solar or wind to charge up the tanks with the hydride conversion.and can switch to gas rather quickly.
commando7144 1 year ago
However, we have yet to overcome the many obstacles we face in the current world, to bring our systems to market. Moreover, the costs of development have become very large.
As our resources are very limited, we need to retrench and reassess our resources and our development plans at this time, and we are accordingly closing our website.
iamh2ok9 1 year ago
Big Corporate entities shut them down Ill bet and thats just a way of saying goodbye while saving face.. Its up to us the people, the free willed individuals who will not submit to their influence my friends. This is what GENEPAX has posted on their todays website.
iamh2ok9 1 year ago
nobody knows anything more about what is in the car.
From the sound of it in the TV piece, it has a very robust hydroxy generator, It is has been suppressed.. Japan has it's own MIB, too.
It is less accurate to say that "government" suppresses this stuff. Our government is still a function of those who participate in it robustly. Unfortunately - it is corporate and industrial interests who have participated most robustly not for people. Time we get back into government!
markbachelder 1 year ago
I heard fro a friend that was recently in Tokyo that the car is already for sell there and cheep to.
marcellogentile1 2 years ago
Stan Meyers was murdered because he did this...
WTU208 2 years ago 14
@WTU208 - bullshit. All inventors of free energy stuff seem to be murdered according to free energy loons.
LiamXaoh 1 year ago
@WTU208 backwards.Stan Meyers made a HHO (lookup brown's gas on wikipedia) into a normal combustion engine, and got it to produce enough 2 parts Hydrogen / 1 parts oxygen (HHO) through basic electrolysis to run the car.Thus the whole Run Your car on water, These units work with gasoline to reduce your gasoline.. Now, this thing on video, is same thing, BUT, it puts hho back towater and gets electricity from it, to run an electric engine to run the car.. very inefecient.
Me102288 11 months ago
@Me102288 I think I read something about it in my chemistry class. What you need its a "catalizer" some molecules brake up in the presence of some other materials, and the catalizer never brakes up in the presence of those molecules.
Now that I think abut it, they do use platinum as a catalizer in the exhaust of vehicles to brake up carbon monoxide, if this is true then I guess its oxygen that splits in the presence of platinum, and that's how they get their Hydrogen. I think.
Ramiromasters 8 months ago
@Ramiromasters nope, just 2 pieces of rust proof metal and a bit of electrity, this isnt a fuel cell its a fuel generator :-) electrolysis generates hydrgen from water.. and after hydrogen is burnt, it goes back to... water! to be reused over and over again, because the laws state you cant destroy energy :-\
Me102288 8 months ago
Too many people in bed with the oil tycoons, those who tax, drill, process, import, & finally the consumer aka- combustion engines...the hydrogen bridge is almost crossed...Obama needs to get a CLUE! I inject HHO/hydrogen into my truck at almost 20 GPH to reduce emissions and increase MPG and HP.
ariwite76 2 years ago
HEY GUYS LISTEN TO THE AUDIO " it was not HHO that makes car run,, IT" HYDROGEN !!!!
MrRapsahaybu 2 years ago
The world needs this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
scootergreen3 2 years ago 2
pretty soon were not gonna need cars so this will become obsolete. only earthbound entities need those vehicles. think about it.
MMOchamp9 2 years ago
All you idiots will get I big I told you so some day. Its like these doubters don't want us to break away from coal and oil. Most likely they have oil for blood and coal for brains. Hydrogen is plentiful oil is not.
TheMaximumoverload 2 years ago 5
Here's the lie: This car runs on water.
It doesn't. The car runs on electricity created by coal. Water is just a transfer media.
MetGuy9966 2 years ago
About the info to the top right about this video; I told my dad about the same stuff. But one of his replies was that if we as americans allowed this sort of technology to be let out onto the market,think about how many people would be put out of a job because of it. And what would THAT do to our economy? Debatable I'm sure. I dig that car though. Why in the heck can't I find a how-to about how to build a car like that??? I look for free energy stuff for at least a half hour a day.
waterwart 2 years ago
As for a lot of other technologies also
XxRoycexX 2 years ago
everyone should look at their web site - they just CLOSED!!!!
vpapazov 2 years ago
The question is how much metal ($) eats this electrolyzer per 100 km ?
mcz1987 2 years ago
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robertyt2 3 years ago
why is it scam ?
theoneagain 2 years ago
How come that link wont work for me?
XxRoycexX 2 years ago
No it is not! You are wrong.
trikkelight 2 years ago
Odds are electricity production will become increasingly cleaner, and its better than using a non-renewable resource. Or pinning your hopes on a scam
peepdust 3 years ago
Actually, using water as a fuel is much less efficient than using straight electricity to power your car (The EV1 was the answer but it was destroyed by GM)
peepdust 3 years ago
The power plant still polutes as you charge your EV1........
Opinionator52 3 years ago
thats where solar panels and wind generators come in mate :)
cappydawg 2 years ago
I'm with you on that note! I'd like to see most homes in an off the grid mode, even though the initial cost is great the system will pay for itself in time for it to stil give years of fre clean power to the home...
Opinionator52 2 years ago
ceimore,u sound like a hater from the BUSH/prince united emirates family!!!I just wish that OUR leaders say enough is enough & get on board to mass produce this wonderful new tychnology.If there is kinks to iron,THEN IRON THEM!!DO it NOW b4 CHINA DOES!!!!
bout4g5 3 years ago
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Hydrogen can only have 1 bond, so how would you get HHO without using some sort of nuclear chemistry....Brown's Gas(Oxyhydrogen) is not HHO, technically it is a mixture of H2 and O2 gases, typically in a 2:1 molar ratio. That's just the start of the problems with under hood electrolysis. Run a car on something that would actually provide energy. Don't waste your time on a useless extra step in making an electric car less efficient via electrolysis and combustion of H2.
cselmore22 3 years ago
there you go, so it doesn't . lol
vietarc 3 years ago
Of course they can't claim over unity, but I promise you they will soon when more people recognize this "electrolysis" process. You really think galvanic corossion obey the chemistry equation.... muahaha the time is now.
vietarc 3 years ago
Genepax received local media attention and also Youtube attention.
Not because of what they have claimed, but what they have omitted.
They built a Fuel-cell electric car like many other concepts before it. But they combined it with on-board hydrolysis of water via a chemical reactant.
But since the focus on was on the water part, they captured attention.
Now, they will go off and market something simple and plain but use their fame to get more customers.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
"You really think galvanic corossion obey the chemistry equation" -vietarc
Galvanic corrosion DOES obey the principles of chemistry just fine if you would spell it correctly.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Oh and Genepax isn't claiming anything like more energy out than being put in. They admit they use a material to cause hydrolysis and that the MEA (Membrane Electrode Assembly) has a catalyst and an electrolyte membrane that MUST be refilled.
It is another form of energy conversion from chemical to electrical using water only as a carrier.
Genepax uses a chemical form of electrolysis using a refillable catalyst and then a fuel cell to turn the hydrogen into electricity for the car.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
did you even here what they siad there is no external input meaning they don't put any more energy into the car so they have found some way to run the car on 100% water
burnbabey12 3 years ago
Lost in Translation indeed.
Forgive me if I am not holding on to the "half-assed" reporting done in the video. I am getting my information DIRECT from the Genepax website.
And they admit that there is a chemical reaction to convert water into hydrogen. There are many different chemicals that will do this but they ALL get consumed. There is no free ride!
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
"a liter of water will keep the car running for around an hour" lame. id rather use gas.
fangman0 3 years ago
Yeah and support the oil wars "patriot"
bananito2 3 years ago
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ok youtube surfers, HHO gas is real. and you will see it,and use it soon. scouts honor.
I am not selling anything and i dont have a website.
i want every one to know that there are people on youtube.
that are saying HHO gas is not real. i think this could be caused by the oil companys
and investers just trying to slow this thing down.
so they can leach every last posible penny from us.
HHO gas IS here, just look at what people have done in there garages.
dont wory, things will be fine.
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theoneagain 3 years ago
From Treehugger:
"The way it's usually done is with metal hydrides. These react with water to produce hydrogen, which is then used to power the car. But since these hydrides will deplete with time, they need to be replaced and so they are actually the fuel, not the water. And you can be sure that more energy will go into producing them than will be taken out, making them an energy carrier, just like a battery."
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Are you trying to say that the cost of the metal used to electrolyze water would end up costing more to replace than running a normal gas powered vehicle? What are you smoking?
AnarchologyDOTorg 3 years ago
Have you done lab test on metal hydrides or any other chemically induced hydrogen production?
Since hydrogen is such a light gas, it requires a HUGE volume of it to equal the energy of gasoline. About 3200 times less energy per unit volume for uncompressed hydrogen. That means, even if you see hydrogen pouring out by the liter, you would need 3200 gallons to equal 1 gallon of gasoline. Yes liquid hydrogen is better (3g of LH per 1g of gas).
A small, cheap amount of metal would not give 3200g.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Kind of true but. Hydrogen has the highest energy content of any common fuel by weight(about three times more than gasoline), but the lowest energy content by volume (about four times less than gasoline).
slider1860 3 years ago
slider is starting to use arguments and combining them in a seemingly logic manner. I am impressed!!
However, I still have to reprehend you. First of all, you do not say in what aggregation state you are comparing these two carriers of energy (liquid or gaseous?). By taking you seriously in what you have said, it is assumed that the density of gasoline is 15 times higher than the one of H2 (gaseous or liquid??), under normal conditions??
Secondly, the energy density of a energy carrier is one
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
ShanHiDix is right, I did not say the state of Hydrogen and Gasoline because I was stating the amount of energy by "weight".
Hydrogen is more powerful (by weight)than gasoline. Liquid Hydrogen has a BTU (British Thermal Unit) of 60,000 per pound where as gasoline has a BTU of 18,000 per pound.
slider1860 3 years ago
A gallon of gasoline has a mass of 6.0 pounds, the same gallon of liquid hydrogen only has a mass of 0.567 pounds. Gasoline is much more dense. So one gallon of gasoline yields 125,400 BTUs of energy while a gallon of liquid hydrogen yields only 34,643 BTUs.
I hope (God Forbid) I did not make an error here!
slider1860 3 years ago
... is one key determinant, but not the decisive one, as nothing remains changed regarding to the fact that hydrogen needs to be produced artificially (by using oil, for instance) and that the storage of H2 still causes some problems.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Yep. You are right. This is a determinant but not a hurdle that can't be overcome. Oil is one way and this may be the most expensive way. This is why if hydrogen is going to have a future we need to have every possible renewable energy source put into play. There are MANY options out there for hydrogen production and as oil goes for over $140 a barrel U.S. just about anything is a option. Big oil has shot themselves in the foot.
slider1860 3 years ago
There are more to blame for the price of oil than big oil companies but this is the most obvious. Government, Investors, Greed, value of the dollar, etc.
slider1860 3 years ago
Yes but 1 quart of water will disassociate into 1860 quarts of hydrogen and oxygen or 1 gallon of water into 3720 gallons of hydrogen and oxygen.
slider1860 3 years ago
That seems wrong. Do you have a source for this? If the ratio of water to uncompressed HHO is 1860:1 for a quart, why would it be different for gallons?
Either way, the best electrolyzers are measured in 1 - 10 liters of HHO per minute. So even at 10 liters per minute, thats 2.6 gallons/min.
So it would take 22 hours to make the 3500 gallons of HHO to equal the one gallon of gasoline in the best portable HHO generators in a car.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Just a quick note to Joeviocoe Didnt you know that if using petrol or diesel for that matter a larger proportion of the hydrocarbons in thoes fuels goes out of the exhaust thats what a lambda sensor if for to make sure u wasting the right amount of fuel. Hydrogen for that matter burns completly no waste just cleaner air and water out the exhaust.
Also I have no facts to hand but will look to substanciate ur figures or not.could you tell me where you got your figures from please.
UNOMINER 3 years ago
to contine:-
Like I say I have no actual facts YET but I know petrol is made up of over 300 different chemicals all supposedly doing different good things to ur engine. I have also read that the goverment dont know what petrol made up of, because oil giants so big goverment cant take em on. We can find out calorific values of GAS (propane, butane) but not PETROL.
UNOMINER 3 years ago
"larger proportion of the hydrocarbons in thoes fuels goes out of the exhaust"
By EPA regulation, modern cars (1974 and later), only have about 1% unburned hydrocarbons out the exhaust from the engine. Then the catalytic converter takes care of that 1%. So final emissions are usually just CO2, CO, NOx, and water vapor.
By saying you get a "more complete burn", the best you can get is an increase of 1%.
HHO allows a lean mixture, not a better burn.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
A car can be run off just HHO with no other sort of fuel at all or it can be used to supliment the main fuel supply.Either way it needs the use of an electronic box to fool the lambda.
But I asked you where you got your figures for the values of petrol???
UNOMINER 3 years ago
Which values are you speaking of? I will try to send you a link (through message because YT won't allow a comment with links).
1) No one is arguing that a car cannot run off hydrogen, either pure or supplement. But the quantity of HHO must be MUCH higher than these on-the-fly kits of 2-4 liters per minute. Since it would take 3200 liters of Hydrogen to equal 1 liter of gasoline.
2) Fooling the lambda runs the engine lean and that is the ONLY way to get better MPG from HHO!
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
I have worked out a few figures on it a while ago. BUT how do we/I know what amount of hydrogen is needed (seen write ups saying 4%)but I want to know is this based on the calarific value of hydrogen or on the volume? $% was volume but hydrogen has a higher cal. value.
If you no long want to persue this discussion then no prob.
Cheers
UNOMINER 3 years ago
Hi, im still here to argue.
Internal energy... Everything has it. In fuels, it is the most important thing. Measured in BTUs, Megajoules, Calories, Kilowatts, whatever. It is all the same. Gasoline has 3,600 times more energy in it than the same volume of Hydrogen(liter, gallon, etc.)
Ignore the energy by mass (pound, kg, etc.) because you would need to fill a bedroom with hydrogen to get a pound of it...>
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
<...
So lets calculate...
A car cruising at 60mph that gets 30 mpg at that speed would use 2 gallon in 1 hours, or .033 gallons per minute. That is 0.126 liters per minute (LPM).
Since HHO has 1/3600th the energy density of gasoline it would take 453.6 LPM to run that same car on pure HHO. This is uncompressed HHO by the way, as that is what comes out of your on-board devices.
But lets assume your right, that you can see improvements in MPG with just 4% supplemental HHO. Thats 18.144 LPM
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Most automotive engineers would say it is more like at least 10% hydrogen before you would see a significant change in combustion. That is 45 Liters per minute.
Ask the manufacturers of your HHO kits how much gas by volume is produced. They run about 2 - 4 liters per minute. That is less than 1% of HHO.
That won't do anything other than fool the ECU into leaning the mixture and screwing with timing, and producing higher compression and MUCH more NOx.
Any MPG gains are from a leaner mixture!!!
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Now, the best cars (or Stan's dune buggy) can get up to 50 mpg and say it is cruising at 50 mph... thats 1 gallon per hour and .0166 gallons per minute.
So a electrolyzer in a car would need to produce about 58 gallons of uncompressed HHO per minute to sustain operation. That is about 220 liters per minute.
Now... tell me that Stan Meyer or anyone has gotten over 200 liters of HHO per minute using an electrolyzer on a 12v car battery or alternator.
I call BS!
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
ghe was using standard electrolysis as we know it it was special without the use of an electrolyte he could produce enough gas to run an engine maybe not 220 litres per minute but more then standard electrolysis that what was magical about stanleys system
theoneagain 3 years ago
magic indeed!
His patents that everyone drools over and worships because they are "patent" NEVER actually claim an amount of HHO produced in a given time with a given wattage.
That was his false claim. Everything else was true about his device. But like most good cons, it was 95% true and only 5% lie.
Stan was so damn secretive about his magic.
Even at 100% efficiency, NO DEVICE can produce that much (over 200 liters/min) with so little watts. And yes, the laws of physics back me up.
Joeviocoe 3 years ago
Sorry I meant 1 gallon into 3720 "quarts".
It is not different.
slider1860 3 years ago
Plastering H2O etc all over the car does strike me as bending the truth more than a little.
Search videos for 'g wizz car' for some fun stuff on this electric tea trolley.
Idiovirida 3 years ago
The free energy bullshitters are certainly happy to report this as 'free energy from water'.
Idiovirida 3 years ago
Slider1860
and your point is?
Idiovirida 3 years ago
And the energy required to break out pure hydrogen from water comes from...?
It would probably be an economic win for you as a person to drive this car because of the oil-price atm, but don't think that you're some enviormentalist, cause you're not.
Iamzota 3 years ago
From a hameeeeerrr! Duhhh. Who said he was an enviromentalist?
slider1860 3 years ago
I thought you wanted to give us answer to where you think the energy to fraction the water into H2 and O2 comes from? W'd be delighted to hear that! Who said I am an environmentalist? Effectively, I do much more 4 t environm. than most of the so-called en'talist who offer solutions which are very often more detrimental to the env'nt than conventional technology (e.g. hybrid cars), because they don't spend a second finding a real solution, but are just free riders of the need to find a solution.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
OK GrassHopper Fine I will tell you. Now sit down and listen. The main feature of the new system is that it uses the company's membrane electrode assembly (MEA), which contains a material capable of breaking down water into hydrogen and oxygen through a chemical reaction. With the new process, the cell needs only water and air, eliminating the need for a hydrogen reformer and high-pressure hydrogen tank.
slider1860 3 years ago
Moreover, the MEA requires no special catalysts, and the required amount of rare metals such as platinum is almost the same as that of existing systems. It is expected to have a longer life because catalyst degradation (poisoning) caused by CO does not occur on the fuel electrode side.
slider1860 3 years ago
The water energy system 1 has a cell in which a fuel electrode 3 and an oxygen electrode 4 are faced with each other through a catalyst 2 same as a general fuel cell. The fuel electrode 3 is formed by carrying platinum on a sintered body of fine powder of zeolite, coral sand, and carbon black, the oxygen electrode 4 is formed by carrying ruthenium on the sintered body of fine powder of zeolite and carbon black.
slider1860 3 years ago
Electric power is generated under normal temperature by supplying pure water 5 to the fuel electrode 3 and air to the oxygen electrode 4.
slider1860 3 years ago
hello, my friend slider! Everybody is waiting for your delightful and fruitful comment!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Widely reported, but try Tech-on site.
Idiovirida 3 years ago
I found that. Did I see somewhere it would only travel 188km? Well the 300 watt unit is the biggest one they have, it must take a few days to charge the battery to go that far.
slider1860 3 years ago
LOL
slider1860 3 years ago
as I said, my friend slider, you are not capable of writing any reasonable comment yourself (without any mistakes) that would make any sense. Thank you for confirming this assessment!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Maybe I missed what you wanted me to comment on???
slider1860 3 years ago
yes, I am sorry. What crossed my mind to assume you could follow an intelligent argument, Billy Bob.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
... as I was saying the best material/molecule to store hydrogen is a compound made of silicum. In order to store the equivalent amount of energy of around 50 liters of gasoline, you will need the tiny amount of 535 kg. Furthermore, it is not economical, as this transformations process costs more many than oil does. But most importantly, it is not ecologically beneficial, as you start with conventional energy to store hydrogen, so you lose much more energy until hydrogen can be used.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
I am impressed. You were able to formulate some sentences without a mistake. This does not mean that you copied it from a different source, or did you? (yeah, you did. I just googled it). This is the "information" Genepax releases (which, of course, is erroneous). Again, this is a major mistake you make (not only copying something from the website of company that wants to sell you something). First of all, the chemical reaction provides only a little amount of hydrogen. The best chemical molecul
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
So here you are ... a good example of all these "free energy" bullshitters! Taking information from a website of a company which is shit and fraud, then halfly understanding it, without reflecting over it, trying to argue with people who just know it better!!!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Not sure it was deliberate fraud.
The info Genepax released was erroneous and the president of Genepax quickly released a correction pointing out the use of alkali metal to produce hydrogen. All the membrane does is control what would otherwise be a fairly violent chemical reaction and allow hydrogen to be released in a controlled way. The system only puts out 300 watts -- just enough to top up the batteries if you wait a few hours!
Idiovirida 3 years ago
I think that you are right with the alkali metal. I guess it is like a hybrid fuel cell? Where did you see that it put out only 300 watts?
slider1860 3 years ago
300 Watts ... oh, the hell breaks lose. I am pretty sure that the typical customer of an M5 BMW, for instance, would be willing to wait a "few hours", first of all, and then to have 300 Watts at his disposal (info: the BMW M5 has got 507 BHP which is the equivalent of ca. 373,152 Watts (yeah, sure, pretty much the same only 124o times the power) and still the 300 watts do not come from nothing! I call it fraud, because they sell it as a car which only runs on water, which is not true!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Ldiovirida ... I do not know whether the term "fraud" is correct from a juridical point of view, from a moral point of view, anyhow, as they deliberately tried to sell (or are they still doing it) this chariot as a "green" car which runs only on water, a "free energy" system which produces its own energy to run. There is indeed a way to more ecological technologies, but it is slightly more onerous and takes more time and money. Of course, there is an incentive to come up with a lie.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
ShangNoDix, where are you causing trouble now??? I want to join. lol
slider1860 3 years ago
I'm sorry, Shanghaikidx, I wasn't answering to your post here. Just commented the video. Sorry if I have offended you!
I'm still waiting for the antimatter-powered car! :D Get to work people!
Iamzota 3 years ago
now we will have a shortage in water. instead of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, we will have more hydrogen flamable.
hawaiidjben 3 years ago
certainly not, as hydrogen volatile and tends to form a bond with oxygen, as the molecule hydrogen is not stable, unless bound in another compound. Furthermore, the hydrogen would be produced to be burnt or used in a fuel-cell. But that's not the point and the problem, anyway.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
For anyone interested. The car in the video is a Riva G wizz with a 13Kw electric motor and runs on lead acid batteries. Genepax have added a hydrogen fuel cell to extend the range by providing a further 300 watts. The hydrogen is generated by addition of water to an alkali metal, the reaction being controlled by a proprietary membrane technology.
It does not run on water. The energy comes from the alkali metal used.
Idiovirida 3 years ago
Hydrogen can actually be separated from water quite easily using a metal. Just put a piece of aluminum in into some water and hydrogen will be released as the surface of the aluminum oxidizes. The problem is that such processes are not sustainable. Once the surface of the aluminum is fully oxidized, the reaction stops. After this, the material needs to be reprocessed so it can be used again. This part requires significant energy input, and more than you can get out of it!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
I suspect they are using something more reactive like lithium or Calcium. The problem remains that these metals require a huge energy input to produce. Ultimately your primary energy source for this vehicle depends on how your electricity is generated.
Idiovirida 3 years ago
yeah, you are getting the idea. That is what I am saying. In addition to that this process is not sustainable, i.e. once the metal is full oxidized, the reaction stops and the production of hydrogen stops, too.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
(I mean I was saying that this car is just another stupid idea, not to say scam of the blind and stubborned free energy activist who think that they found a way how to eliminate the first law of thermodynamics, i.e. the law of conservation of energy)
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
'the reaction stops and the production of hydrogen stops' - that is exactly how it works.
The story has been completely misrepresented.
There is certainly nothing about this vehicle that violates any physical laws.
It does become a good idea if you have a clean, cheap source of electricity.
Think of the metal as the energy carrier, or a way of 'storing' Hydrogen safely.
Idiovirida 3 years ago
In theory yes, you could use a metal as an energy carrier, in practice massively stupid, as you how much ... 200 tons of metals to carry the same amount of how much 50 liters of gasoline???
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Not quite that bad especially with Lithium but yes, energy density is the key whatever way you do it. Gasoline is difficult to replace as the energy density is so high.
Idiovirida 3 years ago
ShangHiDix, Water added to aluminum mixed with Gallium can produce hydrogen on demand. As a catalyst, the Gallium is not consumed. The oxidized aluminum can be recycled. The process is close to being cost competitive with petrol. So there you go grasshopper....
slider1860 3 years ago
What kind of moron comes onto a alternative fuels vid and tells everyone they are fat lazy terrorists? What a waste of his time and ours.
jesslessthemess 3 years ago
most humans are stupid and primitive anything that they cant understand is a scam to them
why would the japanese scam everyone this car is real and the technology is available .
theoneagain 3 years ago
it is not available. I would pay 3 billions euros for the technology if it existed!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Oil comp. 'd not even take notice of this piece of shit, as it is crap, did not work & does not work. "Inventors" of it (btw, other stupid people in t Middle Ages already came up with this shit) did not even spend a sec on thinking about what they r saying/doing, they r not able to use any form of logic. Yes, they r "revolutionary out-of-the box thinkers", hihi. I don t know how it is in the US, but in Europe science is not done by people who ho should be cleaning windshields or mopping a floor.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
So, providing the necessary current by a fuel cell which is fed by the hydrogen generated in the electrolysis process which is powered by the electricity from the engine which shall be powered by the current produced in the fuel cell is complete nonsense that only stupid Billy Bobs like you can believe! Hahahaha
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
I have to see one to believe it.
samdon815 3 years ago
Then they will raise the price of water to $5.00 the gallon. The problem is not the OIL is CAPITALISM!
LechonAtomico 3 years ago
The problem is human nature, the implementation of communism sure proved it. Human nature is neutral till investment, meaning while the oil companys will fend off alternatives the average by standard will just shrug and say "what does that have to do with me"; they are unaware of their investment. Only now that things are going crazy are people realizing their investment. Big oil the bank, and car company's all owned by the same people; knowing that you see how the world goes.
kerpal2343 3 years ago
hihi ... I really have to come up with some fraud! Telling people that you "invented" free energy is a gold mine itself. Telling that you "invented" something that solves the world's energy problem is enough. Nobody even spends one second on critically analyzing it, they will buy this shit and even create a conspiracy theory to explain why this shit does not work at all. I really underestimated the stupidity of people. Hihihahah hoh hahahah ... too hilarious!! hihihih ..
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
eres mas estupido que pan! El precio siempre es el producto del mercado! You only can increase the price of water if the demand is high and supply is scarce.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
We need solar powered facility that will use electrolysis to produce hydrogen all across the country.
We need our Washington bureaucrats to get off their duffs and get this done. Also we need them to keep this new industry out of the hands of Exxon, Shell, and other oil companies.
NHMntnHIGH 3 years ago
you do not know anything about physics, do you?
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
Hydrogen advocates like the National Hydrogen Association say we could put 70 percent of all Americans within 2 miles of a hydrogen fueling station for $10 to $15 billion. That is half the cost of the Trans Alaska Pipeline System (in today's dollars) and about what we're spending each month in Iraq.
NHMntnHIGH 3 years ago
Hydrogen Cars Are Here. Now We Just Need A Fueling Infrastructure.
NHMntnHIGH 3 years ago
Thats easy hook up the water hose and the electrical socket to the hydrogen generator in the back yard. What we need is a better centralized energy infrastructure, either nuclear in the short term, or radio waves from space in the long term.
kerpal2343 3 years ago
another stupid Billy Bob, how I love them?! Oh, USA must be great! I need to go there ... you can sell something as a "great" invention which already has been explored almost two centuries ago. You can fracture water (H20) into hydrogen (H2), by using electricity, radiation, heat, ... but still the facts remain: you need more energy to fracture it than you get later by using H2. So, that s the "great" invention!! Hallelujah, USA!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
where can i get one of them cars and i will buy it plzzzz
and the Oil company and government can kiss my ass ! i love driveing my car but it's killing me at the pump i had to cut my driveing by 90%! we all know they don't care about us, they are geting rich from us at the pump! if we all was driveing one of them like u say the Oil company and government they wound endup going tits up,, i wound buy a car like that and i think it's really cute to drive and all i need is water!
Michael
FORMATERMAN 3 years ago
you do not need water. You need hydrogen, stupid dimshit.
As a start, you Billy Bobs in the US, could build cars that use energy efficiently and doe not consume as much as King Kong drinks beer for breakfast! Oh, forgot, you cannot build energy-efficient cars, or good cars at all. Better get them from Europe!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
look here are you calling me a stupid dimshit? did i say anything bad to you. i sure did't.. only thing i can say to you,you need to grow up little boy
FORMATERMAN 3 years ago
no, you did not say anything bad to me, your stupidity is offense enough!
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
in what way plz tell me
FORMATERMAN 3 years ago
The comments I posted here will explain it, but I also can tell you, by thing that you only need water to run a car (ok, this is a misinformation that one easily can be fed on the internet) and the to use a "conspiracy theory" of evil, evil oil companies to explain why a fraudulent "invention" does not work.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
but I have to apologize to you for using this rude word. Being confronted with the sheer endless size of stupidity of people here on the internet and the quasi mystical ability to withstand any form of logic made me lose my temper a little bit.
One thing is accepting misinformation, the other is the way how to analyze this "information" using logic and experiments. To this regard, many people consider an evidence something they see on youtube, or when somebody says to have seen
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
thank you, i'm here to learn new things and make my self a better man. and there is a lot of info out there, that we can learn from, and yes i believe you ! but we all have to look in to things here and learn from it too i'm sorry that made you a little upset i can get that way too... i love driveing and going to see my friends and family too as the gas keeps going up we all are hurting at the pump i'm sure you feel the same way too about this, Michael
FORMATERMAN 3 years ago
Oil company and government around the world will not allow this technology out. some1 going to get kill or get very rich as for us, we will have to pay $4 a gallon. The oil company is stealing food from my children. I hope the choke on everything they eat. thanks for sharing the vid i hope they going to mass produce this car soon.
iWhitecrow 3 years ago
someone will die because of it. the oil companies like to kill off people who design things like this...unfortunately. The good news is that one day it will take off and the greedy bastards in Saudi Arabia will all be dirt poor again (or sand poor).
Eric28437 3 years ago
for some reason there site is down .
theoneagain 3 years ago
So, does this operate like a hydrogen fuel cell, but extracts hydrogen from water instead of carrying compressed hydrogen around? If so, its still going to be high dollar for the platinum they use in the fuel cell...
pat1huey 3 years ago
platinum isnt needed, chevy has them ready to go just needs the infrastructure to start meaningfull production
NHMntnHIGH 3 years ago
it simply sufficient to come up with a crappy website (which does not even work), to tell that you work on "clean energy" for 25 years (although your company was founded in 2006) and then tell everybody that you "invented" free energy. hihihihihi ..
Every year or so another bogus "inventor" announces their "secret" "revolutionary" technology for cars that run on water, engines that run on magnets, perpetual motion or other woo. Its all crap.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
OILMAN DIE; OILMAN DIE
drekecdrekecadrekecu 3 years ago
ita modified ravi electrique car with a built in fuel cell and an onboard on demande electrolysis system which is injecting hydrogen into the fuel cell which inturns powers the vehicle and charges battery at the same time. which is used to start the generator
theoneagain 3 years ago
hihihi ... it is always the same. People use conspiracy theories to hide their incompetencies.
If this thing really worked, there would be nothing that could stop this "invention"! ... but of course, these evil, evil, evil oil companies.
shanghaikidx 3 years ago
"it almost sounds too good to be true" Yep, well unfortunately it is.
videohaure 3 years ago 3
Did you buy that?:)
The car get´s energie from water...:( very hard to do..
Even with MEA's membrane, Metalic hydrids??? Iridium oxide??? ... that's no good...
H2O + O2 ---> H2O + O2 + energie ...
That's thermodynimcal impossible...:(
But i hope not:)...
Hope to see that in mass production.
I think if the system works wy hide it from the world, there is money for every one that has this kind of knowlage, simple as that.
More money that 50 generations could spend.
carlosgaspar74 3 years ago
Oil companies are going to keep this from the US market for as long as they can.
McSoustenfrugal 3 years ago
I don't think so. Congress is looking for an alternative fuel and are tired of the oil companies.
mikeyidh 3 years ago
But Congress gets paid by the oil companies(bankers). It won't bite the hand that feeds it.
Look up "The Energy Noncrisis" here on U tube. Mr Lindsey reveals all.
Kevinite 3 years ago
Thats no good you have to buy a whole car just for that. Its could just be an electric motor with a water fuel cell powering a hydrogen fuel cell. This isnt it was made in the mid 80's. Watch my vids i'll explain.
mikeyidh 3 years ago