Hey... did Shawn ever give a single bit of currency, even the smallest form, to the Sick Kid's Hospital...?
He blocked me because he doesn't like it when people mention his charity fraud. He claims that he blocks atheists for "swearing" but the fact is he does block for a lot less than swearing...
You are pathetic. This kid did not rip off sick kids hospital. I have been watching this since the beginning and he did nothing wrong. He made no mention of the reporting terms. He said 500 a month, but that is 6k a year and yearly is how people do this. So unless he collected more than 6k (and I doubt he did), you have NOTHING about SKH. Furthermore, it was mentioned as an afterthought, nobody was donating money to him to help SKH, they were supporting sean. Stop being a dick.
@christo930 If you've been watching this since the beginning, why are you posting 6 months late?
Promising sick kids money and then accepting donations after that promise, under the guide of the promise, then deciding not to go through with it, is stealing money from sick kids.
@wtfnord Because I wasn't subbed to DPRjones and the last I heard of it was when hilton's letter was read and I thought that was the end of it. He didn't say he wasn't going through with it. The funny thing is, NOBODY who donated to him (to my knowledge) had ANY complaints. Do you realize what it took for that kid to make that video? How many people have the character to do that? YES, he was a putz back when, but he was a young kid with no friends isolated by Kent Hovinds fundamental beliefs.
@christo930 There were complaints. Venom had to lie about that. He had to send them messages in which he was asking them to copy a message, stating that they gave Shawn the money to use as he intended without any charity mentionings.
From what I heard there was a good number of complaints from people who were upset that the money only went straight to Venom's pockets. Not sure how big a number that is though.
@sonic8005 Since it only happened for a short period time, I am sure there are accounting tricks he could use to get out of any trouble and since it's been over a year since this happened, he probably didn't get in any trouble.
@christo930 True. Unfortunately none of those people got their money back and seem to have gotten over it. Problem is... yeah, he deserves to be in prison after that. He demands the respect of an adult yet would demand to be treated like a child who is ignorant about the law.
Oh and his ignorance of the law doesn't count as him being stupid. Also even if it was perfectly legal to do what he did, IF, it was... it would still be malicious of him to do.
@sonic8005 I was following this at the time and I don't remember anyone donating to him and being upset about it. Every video I watched about this was a video from someone who hated him already and hadn't given him any money. I also don't know how legally binding a youtube video is in a Canadian court with foreign complainants. Also, TBH, I see him as a victim of Hovind and other dishonest people. He has the unfortunate combination of being highly intelligent while being highly gullible.
@christo930 Venom isn't very intelligent honestly. Granted he has a number of supporters but I havent' seen any videos from those who donated and were upset with where the money went, just heard a Youtuber state that he got messages from some who had.
Venom isn't just a victim of Kent's dishonesty. Venom is also a victim of his own dishonesty. Kent got arrested for tax evasion, Venom just shared a similar mentality right down to that detail unfortunately.
@sonic8005 He's in grad school and speaks multiple languages and comes across as very intelligent in how he speaks, even when it's off the cuff. The people who put out all the creationist and evangelical Christianity material are dishonest and manipulative and know how to keep the blinders on people.
Personally, I am going to be writing letters to his ministry, and his school, in an effort to get him expelled and excommunicated (whatever the term). This person cannot be regarded as christian. I will also make my best efforts that his son's behavior is broadcast in newspapers, and journals in his hometown. I will also make efforts to inform his fathers business associates of his childs misbehavior. Perhaps they will re-think whom it is that they do business with.
NAIL HIM TO THE WALL. CRIMINAL AND CIVIL. PUT HIM IN JAIL! His father will be the one paying any money, I would ask for a new WING for the hospital, not a simple renumeration. Being christian, rich, and bawwing your eyes out without sentiment OVER-AND-OVER is not J U S T I C E. Justice is law. This brat needs to be put in jail, regardless of his daddy's money, or a similar religion. FULL-FORCE, no-holds barred. Don't ask him to return the money, ask the court to take it from him.
NAIL HIM TO THE WALL. CRIMINAL AND CIVIL. PUT HIM IN JAIL! His father will be the one paying any money, I would ask for a new WING for the hospital, not a simple renumeration. Being christian, rich, and bawwing your eyes out without sentiment OVER-AND-OVER is not J U S T I C E. Justice is law. This brat needs to be put in jail, regardless of his daddy's money, or a similar religion. FULL-FORCE, no-holds barred. Don't ask him to return the money, ask the court to take it from him.
Plus the hospital's money and paypal account bit is best handled by the authorites only. It is not up to anyone else how Shawn should be punished for stealing.
How and when Shawn receives the help he needs is no one's business but his and his family's. It's also the business of thunderfoot & dprjones since they wrongfully had false DMCAs filed against them. Everyone else needs to take comfort in knowing Shawn has been defeated and will become a better person in the long run. That's it. Let's all let it rest, yourself included.
I have nothing to prove to you. That's the beauty of you being irrelevant. If you want to prove it to yourself, however, you may try as hard as you possibly can to effect my decision. When you fail, you will notice that you are irrelevant.
he appologized to EVERYONE, at least he has the guts to ADMIT his wrongs, unlike some cowards on here.
seems to me your pissed off because he never mentioned YOUR NAME SPECIFICALLY, like he has to?? he appologized to EVERONE, accept his appology or dont, its not going to make any difference, hes getting help with his behavior problem, not his belief.
Yet the Sick Kids Hospital is still missing the money promised by Shawn...me thinks the author has his mind in the right place.
Now if he continues legal action, if shawn gives all owed money to the Sick kids hospital, then you could contribute the apology as sincere, and this response as false.
Are you so sure that Tf00t and DPR and all the rest have really been duped by Shawn? If this were really fake... do you think these incredibly intelligent guys who have had personal conversations with Shawn and his family ... fell for it?
If they can let it go, I dont think he's faking, and I think you can let it go too.
We dont know what's been going on in Shawn's life. We only see a small fraction of what and who he really is. We dont know how, but he was confronted and in discussions with Tf00t, FvsR, DRP, Jordan, and his father... all of them may have somehow managed to get through to him.
If he suddenly pops back on youtube and starts all his shit again, then I'm wrong. But he deleted his channel, he is in fact gone, and even his father has now stated he's getting help.
I got blasted on dprjones channel for saying that shawns appology was not good enough and that if he is truely mentaly ill I would like to see an official paper and what treatment he is getting . Everyone was falling overthemselves to say what a good guy shawn was being but to me it was just bull. I belive he is a evil devisive sob and needs to face the full conseqneces of his actions. People have gone to jail for less so where is the justice?
True change does not take place over night or, in this case, two weeks. Shawn is full of shit. Period. He is still the same person we was earlier this month when he maligned DPR with slander of pedophilia. Nothing has changed in him. No one undergoes true change that quickly.
I completly agree, now granted i'm not into all this religion back and fourth BS...but listen, you're right. How do you not understand copyright laws? He claimed he was fired from a video store, for handing out hundreds of bootleg copied of DVD'S , AT THE VIDEO STORE. He also claimed it wasn't his first offence either. I don't believe the apology was genuin either. HE STOLE money, the hospital is out several thousand dollars, and people are helping him not get legal consequences I'm lost here
I have to agree with you. First what kind of help are we talking about? I work with teens with emotional and behavioral disorders. There is professional help and "Christan counseling" with would add to Shawn's state you don't base treatment on mythology. One of the things we need to do to be therapeutic is to help kids make a connection between their behavior and real world consequences. By taking legal action against him you will do just that. It would be therapeutic for him
He admitted on the Jesse Woodrow radio interview that he made about 4 thousand dollars. Now i was never good at math, but I do believe that's 3500 dollars he owes to Sick Kids.
I also felt that the request for all critical videos to be removed was fishy. Someone who is genuinely sorry will acknowledge their actions and be willing to look back at it as a reminder, not be afraid of it.
This is why he was DMCA happy in the first place, to get rid of as many opposing viewpoints as possible, and this seems just another way to get what he wants but with the "sorry" cover.
I at least understand where you are coming from. Would you agree to not pursue legal action if Shawn decides to either donate to Sickkids hospital, either the entire sum submitted to him or in the form of volunteer work?
are you serious lordhathor? you think it may of been ALL part of his plan to remove critical videos? shawn just isnt that smart! but you are right... we have all forgoten about the sick kids hospital!
How would someone be able to prove that they did NOT file a DMCA if someone had done in their name without their knowledge? Is there IP address with the filing, or something?
"Is there IP address with the filing, or something?"
Yes. and if it goes to trial, a suspected computer can be subpeona'd and examined. It's actually the MAC address of the NIC, not the IP Address of the ISP that would give it away, though. And all MAC addresses are unique.
dude he wasted that money he cant pay it back the thing is is that DPR Tf00t and FVR all who had something to do with the situation have handled it to satisfactory conditions there is no need to go into the matter any further hes just a stupid punk kid that needs to get his shti together
Why don't you guys just let it go, its over Shawn has gone.
You can no more involve the law than I can raise the dead, because he did nothing wrong to any of you only DPR Jones and DPR Jones has let it go pending he does not come back on YouTube.
There is no money issue you don't know that he keppt the money or give it so you don't have a case against him, you can do nothing about it because you have no evidence to back anything up with.
Sean DMCA'd lordhathor, too. So, your assertion that he did nothing wrong is absolutely false. DPRJones has made his decision regarding his legal opportunities, but lordhathor can make his own decisions because he was wronged as well.
I would point out. That he was DMCAing videos that had him in the video. Once again, when he was backed in a corner, he asksed again but under a different situation. interesting...
Maybe I'm just an extreme pessimist wo sees the bad in everyone and everything, but reading the comments on the DPR video just....angered me! How could those people just forget everything that shawn has done? Forgiveness isn't something that is beyond my comprehension, and I can forgive, but forgiveness is EARNED. Just because you ask someone to forgive you doesn't mean that the wronged person will automatically do so just because you asked them to! Don't trust Shawn. Wait on time now,
Shawn is obviously sick in the head. He has committed a crime and while I don't like the guy, I can see why DPRjones is doing this. Any kind of legal action would, most likely, be a huge fine or jail time. This would mess up his life a considerable amount.
Shawn is a 24 year old child who has mental issues. DPRjones would rather try to help him overcome his issues than mess up his life. Getting Shawn off youtube is the first step to his recovery and DPRjones is just showing him compassion.
And this is *exactly* why I (who have only been watching this from the sidelines) think the best thing Hathor could do here was to give Shawn a (realistic) option for avoiding legal action --- as someone else has suggested, donate money or volunteer time to the Sick Kids' Hospital.
The guy is obviously ill. Honestly: Can you even imagine how Shawn would fare in a prison? The best possible outcome of that is that his mental health would deteriorate further. The worst is that he won't survive.
4:48 to say I'm unhappy with just an apology and I want to see accounting records and some sort of proof that he's seeing a councillor.
1 week till this boils over the the effort required to pursue a legal battle kicks in and a "Yeah, I think we should man up and be better than how he was...we'll always be vigilant anyways" statement.
Possibly some more viewers in the short-term, credibility as someone with a message worth listening to shot in the long term.
Maybe a private conversation with dpr, thunderf00t and shawns' parents about your grievances may be more suitable. I think that your requests are justified, but would not be suitable for general youtube consumption - just those affected by his paypal scam and DMCA actions. Legal action should be a last resort and I think Shawn should be given fair time to prove himself. He is a kid with psychological issues.
Give it time, LH. See if it's genuine before jumping into some legal cluster fuck.
I've worked with patients with mental conditions before, and, though I admit I know very little of Shawn's personal troubles, I have been following him since the time he showed up on YouTube and it's my opinion that his apology was genuine.
One condition you have to keep my subscription is to prove you're not as stubborn and unforgiving as the person -- former or not -- you hold such a grudge against.
lordhathor You are absolutely right in the stance you are taking. He needs to pay that money back to the Sick Kids Hospital, whether its in part or takes forever it needs to happen.
DPRjones is already holding him accountable. He's in contact with his parents, so if he's not getting all the help he needs, he'll get sued.
Yes, he stole money prior to receiving any help. How about you let him have a chance to even get the help- having this issue hang over his head isn't going to benefit him probably. Maybe he'll be able to return the money one day after he receive help, graduate college, ect..
I dont think many people realize,he may leave you tube for good and may go see a mental health professional but he is coming back to minister gullible people he WILL take their nmoney he WILl be worse than we ever saw him.This is what my opinion will be of him down 2-4 year timeline...
I personally think it would be wise to wait until drp posts his video that explains more clearly the entirety of the conditions that have been set forth for settling the matter with dprjones. For all we know, the idea of him doing volunteer work or somehow restoring the money to the hospital could be one of the conditions.
okay, one topic that I didn't cover in my response video was the fact that Shawn is still liable for the false DMCA filing, even if he didn't understand law. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."
when you enter into any kind of legal proceeding, it is assumed that you had researched the topic well enough before embarking on it. There is no legal excuse for the false filing of a DMCA. You are supposed to research the law before you file.
That's right! He claimed he didn't understand copyright law, and yet he was well educated on the matter after the debacle with thunderf00t. As for this time, I would have felt much more comfortable if I'd heard him say, "dprjones is NOT a pedophile." Something rings disingenuous to me.
Based on his history and his current demeanor, I would think that all DMCA flags that Shawn has put up will be disregarded. Further, escalation of anger/violence/hatred is something that the unenlightened do. I think dpr and Tf00t are trying to rise above that. Not to put you down, Thor, but there's a different perspective that comes with age. Vengeance is futile.
I think this matter should be dropped for now. dpr has said that if Shawn comes back, he will face legal action.
Wih all resapect to dpr for the position he has taken, it isnt his call whether legal action is taken or not, only whether he takes it or not. Shawn offended against a lot of people, and dpr doesnt peak for all of them. He made his decision, others must make theirs.
Well done thor! This is true. DPR and Tfoot are doing shawn a disservice by not proceeding. I think they realise any damage financially will be worn by Shawn's parents anyway. Unfortunately, THAT is the *pain* that shawn NEEDS to feel. And sparing the rod time after time is what has caused shawn's skewed outlook.
I wasn't convinced of VFX's sincerity either, it's quite surprising that they would elect to take no action.
Given the scope of the DMCA's filed(several hundred) and the fact that this is his SECOND time filing a mass of DMCA's an apology is simply not excusable.
I feel like DPR is getting the wool pulled over his eyes again. Shawn needs tougher love than this. I agree that Shawn might be cunning enough to have planned this. I doubt Shawn is staying away. I doubt Shawn will get help. I think DPR got caught up in a sense of self-satisfaction and walked away. I hope I'm wrong...
well it's a difficult issue, because at the center of it is a disturbed young man.
is his apology video honest? yes, most certainly. compared to all the other apologizes its clearly honest. go watch his past apologizes back to back as well as this one. there's a clear difference in presentation.
however, it's easy to talk. but can he walk the walk? jog the jog? strut the strut? you get the point.
this is something only time can tell.
on the other hand, i completely agree with your mistrust.
Urgh God just let it die Hathor. He's gone, his VenomFangX persona is dead lets just move on. Lord knows we've seen enough of this twerp. And what, you want him tell everyone exactly what help he's getting, provide proof and keep us updated on exactly whats happening each week? Frankly thats none of our business. 2nd this isn't the book 1984 and your not Big Brother. 3rd therapy will never work if he's not allowed to move on because people like you think your entitled to monitor his fucking life
I checked one of the so called charities he gave money, and they were other christian nutjobs. So far so good.
But there has be be a way to stop him from ever donating to himself, by a made up charity. which is why I checked. In fact, I think he should be disqualified from ever collecting charity money again. Regardless if he turns around.
i don't think he is capable of delivering a sincere apology because i think he's sociopathic. While i sympathize with his family and fully understand DPR's very human and humane response, there is just too much evidence that Shawn has dissociated from the "VFX persona", showing a refusal to identify with and take responsibility for it.
I hate to be so bitter here, but I'll believe it, when I see it! At this time, I question his sincerity, how much is actually coming from the heart, or is this fear of legal consequences? I look at Shawn & his past apologies, or his goodbye video to You Tube, & the impression I get is he's an actor. The green screen which he set up & the crocodile tears, as if to say all Atheists are evil. I just simply don't buy it. Why now out of the blue have a change of heart, when you never did before?
Sometimes people forget what it is like to be young and face bullies. Bullies know full well what they are doing. They understand when they hurt others and simply do not care.
As people get older, they tend to make excuses for people being young and the bad actions they take.
Well wake up! These manipulators only understand one thing, consequences that affect them.
As a practical matter, what do you think you'd gain with litigation? The guy got some of your videos taken off line a few days, not exactly a large amount of damages for civil suit and Shawn wouldn't see jail for violating criminal law.
Hope dprjones has Shawn volunteering for working at the Sick Childrens Hospital, kind of the Christ washing feet thing.
Interesting how Shawn is such a bad guy, compared to daddy outsourcing dozens of jobs from Canada I've seen no one mention.
I don't want anything other than a judgement against him. I hope he'd wish to avoid that and return the money, of his own pocket, either in cash or sweat.
Not excusing Shawn's Sick Childrens Hospital money collecting, but:
1. Perhaps Shawn's father has paid that
2. I question that Shawn intentionally started taking money for his own enrichment, therefore,"fraudster" may be your assumption, not an accurate description of what Shawn had done.
3. He didn't take money from you, so you have no cause of action for anything related to sick Children's Hospital.
He didnt mention a cause of action for sick kids hospital. He merely suggested that as the basis of an out of court settlement, therefore he doesnt need a cause of action concerning sick kids hospital
When I saw the video last night, I kept thinking - how much of this is close to sincere and how much is somehow mandated? At least by someone advising him how to try to make legal action go away. His track record is not such that he can be believed on this sort of thing.
Shawns first abuse of DMCA copyright law was excusable with an apology. The continued abuse needs to have lasting consequences. At least that's what I would hope.
In all reality this would be great lordhathor but we all know if Sick Kids hospital ever receives the money from shawn it will never be from him but from his parents bailing him out yet again. This is such a sad thing honestly but I do agree he isn't to be trusted. Good Luck in your pursuit of justice. Great Vid! 5 Stars
His pretense of ignorance regarding DMCAs is not real. He went through all of that in his "Apology to the Internets" now he says the same thing, claiming ignorance that was corrected long before.
Coming from his background he is probably used to mommy and daddy bailing him out (I'm thinking now about his car being paid for him and phone and tuition fees and whatever else), so it's about time someone taught him about personal responsibility. I fully support you in your efforts to have his original pledge to the childrens hospital honoured.
i dont think his apology was sincere, after all, all he did again was he tried to get all the people to remove his videos... again... i call bullshit...
Despite Shawns apparent sincerity in his apology I agree with you about not understanding the copyright laws not being enough. Think back to his original 'apology' when his hand was forced by Thunderf00t. He continued to abuse DMCA's after that. He knows he has been backed into a corner and I don't think he fully understands just how many people he has affected; this is not just about Thunderf00t and DprJones. Therapy is one thing but I think he needs a nice dose of reality, too.
Don't buy it. I guess it will be less than six months before he is back and telling us all how we are going to hell. Any thoughts on how long till he is back?
lordhathor, if he does provide you with a paypal history, make sure you're getting it directly from paypal and not his copy.. it's very easy to manipulate those documents, so only trust the initial source (Paypal)
I agree that he should not be allowed to profit from sick kids. That money should be given to them. If he dispersed it in some other way, even to another charity, oh well, his loss. He must give the money to the sick kids as promised.
I think one should walk away. you're looking at a misdemeanor offense and as long as VFX gets help...Leave him alone. You look at him and you know he isn't right, he's fucked in the head, you're taking a swing at someone who is mentally ill (look at his Joker video) if I truly believed a law thing would work(once again a misdemeanor at best in an overcrowded court system) I wouldn't be in Shawn's corner. He is getting more help than he deserves perhaps but at least he's getting help.
dprjones and Thunderf00t got what they wanted. they do not care about anyone else's situation. i say go for it and do not relent or else he'll do this again.
i agree myself that even though shawn truly seems apologetic in this dprjones video it leaves much out. what help exactly is he getting? where and when? i think this stuff needs to be posted. has it stands now i'm on the fence 50/50 that shawn is trying to pull another fast one.
i hope he is truly sincere this time but there are still others out there that have been dmca'd and have the right to pursue or not or at least have vids reinstated...
@lordhathor, no offense, but isn't this a little bit petty? i admit, i'll be the first in line to get on someone's case when they start trying to refute science by posting b.s. from answersingenesis, but at the end of the day, you gotta learn to relax and say, "f it... it's f'n youtube." and if someone deletes one of my videos, bfd. if i'm in the right, it'll eventually be back up. is it really necessary taking matters any further, beyond what dprjones has already done?
cristoballs: if I break into your house, home owners insurance will pay for it. If I steal something from you, insurance will pay from it. If I punch you in the face,the pain will subside momentarily. most negative things that happen in life have merely temporary effects, but this does not justify ignoring, or permitting, their occurance.
thanks for responding. i understand he stole from sick kids hospital. but that really has nothing to do with you. the hospital and its lawyers will deal with that.
Respectfully, he made it everyone's business when he asked the internet community for money. The children's hospital isn't the only party slighted. Collectively, we should be outraged; If no one else, the donors should be seeking legal action. He claims a few gave him permission to keep it, but the charity didn't recieve dime one from any of the other donors. Even if he did have permission, though, his keeping that money was motivated purely by greed.
there's an expression often used when too many people want to get involved. it's called "too many cooks." i'm sure the authorities are aware of the situation. and there is a paper trail of all the people shawn has wronged. now, if they need anyone's help, i'm sure the authorities will contact them. there's really nothing else any of us can do. so just leave the situation alone. it's being taken care of.
in fact i remember reading the comment board on the sick kids youtube channel when news of the scam broke out. i remember them saying that they appreciate the concern, and that they were aware of the situation, and i believe they (sick kids hospital) were kindly asking people to stop sending them messages about it.
For the most part, I AM leaving the situation alone. The problem is, those who have been wronged often neglect seeking justice. A large group of people, myself included, do honestly care, just not enough to do anything about it; We're like hippies and college students, but less self-righteous. However, letting someone get away with injustice encourages further abuse.
Really, though, I was just pointing out that it's not just between PCS and the charity. Others were boned here.
i don't think shawn has gotten away with anything. as i've already pointed out, the sick kids hospital is aware of his scam, and he will have to answer to them if he hasn't done so already. the videos that were removed because of false dmca's have been restored. shawn has closed down his youtube channel, he apologized for what he did, and he is gone, and i assume he is getting help. is it really necessary to drag this thing out any further?
I'm not sure how far the hospital can and is willing to pursue this, but I'm afraid it clearly is not enough. After all, the videos were restored last time, he gave his channel away last time, his sites were closed last time, he apologized last time (And this time, but followed it up by slandering DPRJones and givinbg out his address), and left last time. But here we are again. While I'm sad to see such a clown go, some cases can't be fixed through reason and bargaining. The sad truth.
so if the hospital was unable to do what you consider "enough", what makes you think any of us will be able to do anything beyond what the hospital has done? also consider the possibility that he donated everything he promised to donate after he got busted. do you really, if you were him, would you bother answering questions like this? i wouldn't. i would let people carry through with their legal action. it would only be a waste of their time and money.
cristoballs, if I steal your car, and then return it to you and apologize, do you think I should not have to face the justice system for doing so in the first place? Especially if Ive done this same thing 2 or 3 times, and each time returned the car? Same principal.
well, it depends really. if it were an isolated incident where i was the only person affected, yes you should answer for what you've done. but that's not the case we're looking at here. i trust dprjones enough to know that this situation is being or has been taken care of by the authorities. i also believe him when he said that the recent flood of dmca's might not be from shawn. it is possible to fake your identity on those claims. so do we punish shawn for all of them?
i've seen the video you're referring to, and yes shawn does admit to filing dmca claims, but never says that he filed all of them. nevertheless, even if he filed all 200, i still think it's a petty thing to take to court. honestly, if it happened to me, and this is the only standard i'm measuring this by, i would let it go. shawn clearly has issues, and from what dprjones has said, it appears as though he's getting the help he needs to deal with them.
i understand that. but at some point each of us must ask ourselves, "what am i doing this for?" if it's truly to set things right, then there should be no "if then" arrangements. thor should just carry through with legal action. and furthermore, if i were in the same position i would do this as low-key as possible. there is no sense in making this a public issue. there are people who would gladly relay this request to shawn privately. why make a video about it?
Why not make a video about it? Youtube is the public arena. Shawn abused and misused this medium. He solicited funds in the name of charity. He used legal tools to censor media, illegally and repeatedly.
Frankly, if nothing is done to uphold what is right, this type of abuse will continue without real consequence.
Why is any of this a private issue, when it clearly affects the public? This isn't just Google's YouTube, but mine, yours, and everyone else's.
because it's beating a dead horse. shawn is gone. his channel is down, and he's actually apologized like a normal person for once. he wasn't reading from a script like he originally did 8 months ago. i sensed a lot more sincerity and humility in his last video, than i ever did in any of the videos he ever made before that. is it possible it's all just an act? sure. i can concede that. but why not give him the benefit of the doubt. if it turns out to be an act, i'll admit i was wrong.
but if he's truly sincere, just give the guy some room to breathe. i'm sure he has enough to deal with right now with the sick kids hospital, and the shame that he's brought upon himself and his family.
they made a statement on their comment board on their youtube channel about the situation. they know about it. they were being flooded with comments about shawns actions, and now if you go to their channel, you'll see that comments have been disabled. as i recall, their statement said something to the effect of, "we aware of this scam, and we are taking care of it."
thats just it. Most people dont believe hes gone for good. He did this to thunderfoot, and then to dprjones once before. He shut down his "ministry" once, during the thunderfoot war (though he still had the channel open, just not updated) then he said he was leaving again, and gave his channel to geerup. Now, here he says hes leaving, for a 3rd time, and all of a sudden everyone is to believe he is sincere? really?
and in all that time, did you ever see him brought to such shame and humiliation as you're witnessing now, so much so that his father had to prepare a statement to be read on youtube, and that dprjones would be asking for leniancy towards him. the guy is in a world of shit right now. so let it be.
If Thor is suggesting that an out-of-court settlement is possible, then he can make that settlement in any way he likes and as such if he wishes to make a charitable donation aa condition, then he has that right. It would be a privtae agreement and therfore it does have something to do ith him.
then he might as well just go through with filing legal action. i don't think shawn is going to meet every demand from the people he wronged. i don't think it's possible for him to do that. thus, it's pointless making videos like this.
Thor hasnt asked him to meet every demand from everyone he wronged. Just this demand from one person he wronged. It's really up to Shawn whether he is willing or able to comply, isnt it?
I've been waiting for this. dpr can make whatever arrangements suit his situation. I say if you want to put his feet to the fire, go for it. There's a discussion on rozeboosje's latest video on this very subject. It's all fine and well that Shawn gets to talk to someone about his issues, but the users who were dmca'd deserve to have their content restored. Not to mention that those who might want to try out Shawn's tactics need to know there are consequences.
I get why you say what you do. Is it possible that the only folks that will actually 'pay' for Shawns behavior is his fmaily - which really has no responsibility here. I have no problem with pursuing a court order for the records or community service(so long as he's not around impressionable sick kids) Let him get a real job to pay whatever amount he has defrauded the hospital of...
I agree with you, I really don't buy this apology, He needs to give the money to sick kids hospital, and actually pay for his actions this time, lets not allow this whole thing to happen again a year down the road.
He filed Hudreds of DMCAs this time, and all he does is apologize to Dprjones and make some whiney video vaguely apologising to Youtube users in general? Thats straight up Bullshit. He's clearly NPD but thats no excuse... even Narcissists know right from wrong and are still accountable for their actions. He's an adult... so why is his dad part of this anyways. I know he pays his bills, but SHAWN is an adult and is acting on his own accord and of his own free will. SICK KIDS!
Hey... did Shawn ever give a single bit of currency, even the smallest form, to the Sick Kid's Hospital...?
He blocked me because he doesn't like it when people mention his charity fraud. He claims that he blocks atheists for "swearing" but the fact is he does block for a lot less than swearing...
sonic8005 5 months ago
@sonic8005 No, as far as I have been able to tell, he has not.
wtfnord 5 months ago
You know it only works in theory. It's going to be very hard to prove anything
tjohn1986 1 year ago
You are pathetic. This kid did not rip off sick kids hospital. I have been watching this since the beginning and he did nothing wrong. He made no mention of the reporting terms. He said 500 a month, but that is 6k a year and yearly is how people do this. So unless he collected more than 6k (and I doubt he did), you have NOTHING about SKH. Furthermore, it was mentioned as an afterthought, nobody was donating money to him to help SKH, they were supporting sean. Stop being a dick.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 If you've been watching this since the beginning, why are you posting 6 months late?
Promising sick kids money and then accepting donations after that promise, under the guide of the promise, then deciding not to go through with it, is stealing money from sick kids.
disagree?
fuck out.
wtfnord 1 year ago
@wtfnord Because I wasn't subbed to DPRjones and the last I heard of it was when hilton's letter was read and I thought that was the end of it. He didn't say he wasn't going through with it. The funny thing is, NOBODY who donated to him (to my knowledge) had ANY complaints. Do you realize what it took for that kid to make that video? How many people have the character to do that? YES, he was a putz back when, but he was a young kid with no friends isolated by Kent Hovinds fundamental beliefs.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 There were complaints. Venom had to lie about that. He had to send them messages in which he was asking them to copy a message, stating that they gave Shawn the money to use as he intended without any charity mentionings.
From what I heard there was a good number of complaints from people who were upset that the money only went straight to Venom's pockets. Not sure how big a number that is though.
sonic8005 5 months ago
@sonic8005 Since it only happened for a short period time, I am sure there are accounting tricks he could use to get out of any trouble and since it's been over a year since this happened, he probably didn't get in any trouble.
christo930 5 months ago
@christo930 True. Unfortunately none of those people got their money back and seem to have gotten over it. Problem is... yeah, he deserves to be in prison after that. He demands the respect of an adult yet would demand to be treated like a child who is ignorant about the law.
Oh and his ignorance of the law doesn't count as him being stupid. Also even if it was perfectly legal to do what he did, IF, it was... it would still be malicious of him to do.
sonic8005 5 months ago
@sonic8005 I was following this at the time and I don't remember anyone donating to him and being upset about it. Every video I watched about this was a video from someone who hated him already and hadn't given him any money. I also don't know how legally binding a youtube video is in a Canadian court with foreign complainants. Also, TBH, I see him as a victim of Hovind and other dishonest people. He has the unfortunate combination of being highly intelligent while being highly gullible.
christo930 5 months ago
@christo930 Venom isn't very intelligent honestly. Granted he has a number of supporters but I havent' seen any videos from those who donated and were upset with where the money went, just heard a Youtuber state that he got messages from some who had.
Venom isn't just a victim of Kent's dishonesty. Venom is also a victim of his own dishonesty. Kent got arrested for tax evasion, Venom just shared a similar mentality right down to that detail unfortunately.
sonic8005 5 months ago
@sonic8005 He's in grad school and speaks multiple languages and comes across as very intelligent in how he speaks, even when it's off the cuff. The people who put out all the creationist and evangelical Christianity material are dishonest and manipulative and know how to keep the blinders on people.
christo930 5 months ago
Personally, I am going to be writing letters to his ministry, and his school, in an effort to get him expelled and excommunicated (whatever the term). This person cannot be regarded as christian. I will also make my best efforts that his son's behavior is broadcast in newspapers, and journals in his hometown. I will also make efforts to inform his fathers business associates of his childs misbehavior. Perhaps they will re-think whom it is that they do business with.
7651form 1 year ago
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NAIL HIM TO THE WALL. CRIMINAL AND CIVIL. PUT HIM IN JAIL! His father will be the one paying any money, I would ask for a new WING for the hospital, not a simple renumeration. Being christian, rich, and bawwing your eyes out without sentiment OVER-AND-OVER is not J U S T I C E. Justice is law. This brat needs to be put in jail, regardless of his daddy's money, or a similar religion. FULL-FORCE, no-holds barred. Don't ask him to return the money, ask the court to take it from him.
7651form 1 year ago
NAIL HIM TO THE WALL. CRIMINAL AND CIVIL. PUT HIM IN JAIL! His father will be the one paying any money, I would ask for a new WING for the hospital, not a simple renumeration. Being christian, rich, and bawwing your eyes out without sentiment OVER-AND-OVER is not J U S T I C E. Justice is law. This brat needs to be put in jail, regardless of his daddy's money, or a similar religion. FULL-FORCE, no-holds barred. Don't ask him to return the money, ask the court to take it from him.
7651form 1 year ago
Blocking someone for having a different opinion than you is the equivalent of running away. Good riddance.
Danny123456789009876 1 year ago 2
Plus the hospital's money and paypal account bit is best handled by the authorites only. It is not up to anyone else how Shawn should be punished for stealing.
Danny123456789009876 1 year ago
@Danny123456789009876 Don't really care what you think. Use the reply feature.
wtfnord 1 year ago
@wtfnord You don't care what I think huh? Aww I'm crying on the inside.
Danny123456789009876 1 year ago
How and when Shawn receives the help he needs is no one's business but his and his family's. It's also the business of thunderfoot & dprjones since they wrongfully had false DMCAs filed against them. Everyone else needs to take comfort in knowing Shawn has been defeated and will become a better person in the long run. That's it. Let's all let it rest, yourself included.
Danny123456789009876 1 year ago
@Danny123456789009876
They're not the only ones, and your opinion is irrelevant.
wtfnord 1 year ago
@wtfnord, My opinion is irrelevant?
Prove it.
Danny123456789009876 1 year ago 2
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@Danny123456789009876
I have nothing to prove to you. That's the beauty of you being irrelevant. If you want to prove it to yourself, however, you may try as hard as you possibly can to effect my decision. When you fail, you will notice that you are irrelevant.
Blocked.
wtfnord 1 year ago
also WTF does it have to do with you gaylord... the kind of help shawn gets???
just accept the his appology like a GROWN MAN, NOT A SPOILED BRAT, and stick your outrage up your arse son! :)
god bless :)
HIGHLANDERxMCLAMBIE 1 year ago
@lordhathor
such a shame you dd not get a personal appology!!
boo hoo!!
swallow your pride sunshine and move on...
simple.
:)
HIGHLANDERxMCLAMBIE 1 year ago
@HIGHLANDERxMCLAMBIE
Yeah, he wasn't asking for that.
wtfnord 1 year ago
@lordhathor
he appologized to EVERYONE, at least he has the guts to ADMIT his wrongs, unlike some cowards on here.
seems to me your pissed off because he never mentioned YOUR NAME SPECIFICALLY, like he has to?? he appologized to EVERONE, accept his appology or dont, its not going to make any difference, hes getting help with his behavior problem, not his belief.
HIGHLANDERxMCLAMBIE 2 years ago
Yet the Sick Kids Hospital is still missing the money promised by Shawn...me thinks the author has his mind in the right place.
Now if he continues legal action, if shawn gives all owed money to the Sick kids hospital, then you could contribute the apology as sincere, and this response as false.
sykoparsley 1 year ago
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y does this guy look like fanx need close aguy
211for11 2 years ago
what the fuck are you talking about
that IS VFX
moron
lordhathor 2 years ago
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coo okay prick...end of piss fit.
211for11 2 years ago
@JohnHenryAlex Good idea.
KaseyAkira 2 years ago
Here's another perspective...
Are you so sure that Tf00t and DPR and all the rest have really been duped by Shawn? If this were really fake... do you think these incredibly intelligent guys who have had personal conversations with Shawn and his family ... fell for it?
If they can let it go, I dont think he's faking, and I think you can let it go too.
KaseyAkira 2 years ago
We dont know what's been going on in Shawn's life. We only see a small fraction of what and who he really is. We dont know how, but he was confronted and in discussions with Tf00t, FvsR, DRP, Jordan, and his father... all of them may have somehow managed to get through to him.
If he suddenly pops back on youtube and starts all his shit again, then I'm wrong. But he deleted his channel, he is in fact gone, and even his father has now stated he's getting help.
Let it go man...
KaseyAkira 2 years ago
Good on you go for it.
I got blasted on dprjones channel for saying that shawns appology was not good enough and that if he is truely mentaly ill I would like to see an official paper and what treatment he is getting . Everyone was falling overthemselves to say what a good guy shawn was being but to me it was just bull. I belive he is a evil devisive sob and needs to face the full conseqneces of his actions. People have gone to jail for less so where is the justice?
Im subbeb.
yipfur 2 years ago
@lordhathor
Have you seen the video from DPRJones with Shawn and his dad? What do you think of it? Are you still going to pursue legal action?
watch?v=Wno8iitYplk
dlo3434 2 years ago 2
True change does not take place over night or, in this case, two weeks. Shawn is full of shit. Period. He is still the same person we was earlier this month when he maligned DPR with slander of pedophilia. Nothing has changed in him. No one undergoes true change that quickly.
MethodicalMadness 2 years ago 2
I completly agree, now granted i'm not into all this religion back and fourth BS...but listen, you're right. How do you not understand copyright laws? He claimed he was fired from a video store, for handing out hundreds of bootleg copied of DVD'S , AT THE VIDEO STORE. He also claimed it wasn't his first offence either. I don't believe the apology was genuin either. HE STOLE money, the hospital is out several thousand dollars, and people are helping him not get legal consequences I'm lost here
Ian051189 2 years ago 2
I agree with you.
It is mighty suspicious that he admits this now, when he is cornered.
Not to mention he might have a chance in court if he plays the crazy card.
I for one do not believe he has issues. I believe he is a heartless bastard. We should pursue him till the end. That is my opinion.
SlayerOfAmista 2 years ago 2
Heartless or not.. He is a nut job fundamentalist who needs to be made an example of!
kennykenflo 2 years ago 2
I have to agree with you. First what kind of help are we talking about? I work with teens with emotional and behavioral disorders. There is professional help and "Christan counseling" with would add to Shawn's state you don't base treatment on mythology. One of the things we need to do to be therapeutic is to help kids make a connection between their behavior and real world consequences. By taking legal action against him you will do just that. It would be therapeutic for him
educatedAtheist 2 years ago 2
He admitted on the Jesse Woodrow radio interview that he made about 4 thousand dollars. Now i was never good at math, but I do believe that's 3500 dollars he owes to Sick Kids.
Andromedasorbit 2 years ago
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Andromedasorbit 2 years ago
I also felt that the request for all critical videos to be removed was fishy. Someone who is genuinely sorry will acknowledge their actions and be willing to look back at it as a reminder, not be afraid of it.
This is why he was DMCA happy in the first place, to get rid of as many opposing viewpoints as possible, and this seems just another way to get what he wants but with the "sorry" cover.
irlogic 2 years ago
I at least understand where you are coming from. Would you agree to not pursue legal action if Shawn decides to either donate to Sickkids hospital, either the entire sum submitted to him or in the form of volunteer work?
I say this because the money is likely gone.
IGExpandingPanda 2 years ago
Yes, definitely.
lordhathor 2 years ago
are you serious lordhathor? you think it may of been ALL part of his plan to remove critical videos? shawn just isnt that smart! but you are right... we have all forgoten about the sick kids hospital!
geegee1380 2 years ago
He was 27000 subscribers smart, and in a world full of morons thats it plenty off smartness.
JRBendixen 2 years ago
Would it be possible for someone with VFX's infomation to file this DMCA on your video?
sablechicken 2 years ago
Yes.
lordhathor 2 years ago
How would someone be able to prove that they did NOT file a DMCA if someone had done in their name without their knowledge? Is there IP address with the filing, or something?
sablechicken 2 years ago
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LordCustos3 2 years ago
Thanks
sablechicken 2 years ago
"Is there IP address with the filing, or something?"
Yes. and if it goes to trial, a suspected computer can be subpeona'd and examined. It's actually the MAC address of the NIC, not the IP Address of the ISP that would give it away, though. And all MAC addresses are unique.
LordCustos3 2 years ago
dude he wasted that money he cant pay it back the thing is is that DPR Tf00t and FVR all who had something to do with the situation have handled it to satisfactory conditions there is no need to go into the matter any further hes just a stupid punk kid that needs to get his shti together
320iguy 2 years ago
I think DPRjones and Thunderf00t are not with you on this.
Dramphooey 2 years ago
Did he DMCA you or something? What is your basis for legal action?
TonLars 2 years ago
if i were DMCAed by vfx, i'd pursue full legal action. he's 24, not 14 and should've known better. he can rot in jail for all i care.
this isn't about him using someone's media unauthorized, but committing fraud.
;d
666norton420 2 years ago
Why don't you guys just let it go, its over Shawn has gone.
You can no more involve the law than I can raise the dead, because he did nothing wrong to any of you only DPR Jones and DPR Jones has let it go pending he does not come back on YouTube.
There is no money issue you don't know that he keppt the money or give it so you don't have a case against him, you can do nothing about it because you have no evidence to back anything up with.
TheCrusader1000 2 years ago
@TheCrusader1000 he did nothing wrong? Are you serious?
TheLittleDonkey 2 years ago
Sean DMCA'd lordhathor, too. So, your assertion that he did nothing wrong is absolutely false. DPRJones has made his decision regarding his legal opportunities, but lordhathor can make his own decisions because he was wronged as well.
Mnementh2230 2 years ago
@TheCrusader1000 wow... i'm amazed you would speak so confidently about a situation of obviously know little to nothing about....
who am i kidding, i'm not surprised one of vfx's demented buddies would act like that.
;d
666norton420 2 years ago
I would point out. That he was DMCAing videos that had him in the video. Once again, when he was backed in a corner, he asksed again but under a different situation. interesting...
theatheistgal 2 years ago
Maybe I'm just an extreme pessimist wo sees the bad in everyone and everything, but reading the comments on the DPR video just....angered me! How could those people just forget everything that shawn has done? Forgiveness isn't something that is beyond my comprehension, and I can forgive, but forgiveness is EARNED. Just because you ask someone to forgive you doesn't mean that the wronged person will automatically do so just because you asked them to! Don't trust Shawn. Wait on time now,
sthebg20 2 years ago 6
Shawn is obviously sick in the head. He has committed a crime and while I don't like the guy, I can see why DPRjones is doing this. Any kind of legal action would, most likely, be a huge fine or jail time. This would mess up his life a considerable amount.
Shawn is a 24 year old child who has mental issues. DPRjones would rather try to help him overcome his issues than mess up his life. Getting Shawn off youtube is the first step to his recovery and DPRjones is just showing him compassion.
redaaron8 2 years ago
And this is *exactly* why I (who have only been watching this from the sidelines) think the best thing Hathor could do here was to give Shawn a (realistic) option for avoiding legal action --- as someone else has suggested, donate money or volunteer time to the Sick Kids' Hospital.
The guy is obviously ill. Honestly: Can you even imagine how Shawn would fare in a prison? The best possible outcome of that is that his mental health would deteriorate further. The worst is that he won't survive.
discordic 2 years ago
I love you hathor!!! Give him hell man!
piratebuns 2 years ago
4:48 to say I'm unhappy with just an apology and I want to see accounting records and some sort of proof that he's seeing a councillor.
1 week till this boils over the the effort required to pursue a legal battle kicks in and a "Yeah, I think we should man up and be better than how he was...we'll always be vigilant anyways" statement.
Possibly some more viewers in the short-term, credibility as someone with a message worth listening to shot in the long term.
-m0r
m0r1arty 2 years ago
Maybe a private conversation with dpr, thunderf00t and shawns' parents about your grievances may be more suitable. I think that your requests are justified, but would not be suitable for general youtube consumption - just those affected by his paypal scam and DMCA actions. Legal action should be a last resort and I think Shawn should be given fair time to prove himself. He is a kid with psychological issues.
fleontrotsky 2 years ago
@fleontrotsky
Sorry, but he's not a boy, he's a 24-year old man who's committed many crimes.
ASTCify 2 years ago
@ASTCify My mistake. I was under the impression that he was 19. There is certainly a big difference between 19 and 24.
fleontrotsky 2 years ago
What are his crimes?
tbgx1 2 years ago
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"A boy named Shawn"
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ASTCify 2 years ago
Eh, this is unnecessary imho.
wretcherwretch 2 years ago
Thank, fucking gods of the hindu pantheon!
Just know that there is, indeed, a great portion of the atheists here that absolutely back you up.
Give him the judgement that his imaginary invisible skydaddy never will.
ASTCify 2 years ago
Give it time, LH. See if it's genuine before jumping into some legal cluster fuck.
I've worked with patients with mental conditions before, and, though I admit I know very little of Shawn's personal troubles, I have been following him since the time he showed up on YouTube and it's my opinion that his apology was genuine.
One condition you have to keep my subscription is to prove you're not as stubborn and unforgiving as the person -- former or not -- you hold such a grudge against.
kjjerm 2 years ago
lordhathor You are absolutely right in the stance you are taking. He needs to pay that money back to the Sick Kids Hospital, whether its in part or takes forever it needs to happen.
PaintedTearz 2 years ago
Awesome. Let shawn feel the full effect of the law for his actions. Why should he get a free get out of jail card?
chokedattheworld 2 years ago
Excellent video.
The embezzled hospital funding has to be addresses before anyone should think of sweeping his whole history under the rug.
Shawn's apology is insincere and sugar-coats what he did. He even hides his eyes throughout.
His only motive was to appear forgiveness-worthy and to try to convince people to delete the video record of his despicable actions.
In a few years he will be on TV, living in luxury off the meager savings of ignorant and gullible masses that buy his snake-oil.
themsfightinwoids 2 years ago
DPRjones is already holding him accountable. He's in contact with his parents, so if he's not getting all the help he needs, he'll get sued.
Yes, he stole money prior to receiving any help. How about you let him have a chance to even get the help- having this issue hang over his head isn't going to benefit him probably. Maybe he'll be able to return the money one day after he receive help, graduate college, ect..
Like I said, DPRjones is holding him accountable.
Mixb1mp213 2 years ago
HI thor,
I have very good reason to believe that Shawn may not have filed the DMCA take downs against you. I'll PM you.
DJ
djarm67 2 years ago 2
I dont think many people realize,he may leave you tube for good and may go see a mental health professional but he is coming back to minister gullible people he WILL take their nmoney he WILl be worse than we ever saw him.This is what my opinion will be of him down 2-4 year timeline...
Killer0fTheSun 2 years ago
he lied too many times but... this might be genuine... i'll consider giving him one LAST chance... but with a grain of salt...
PROdotes 2 years ago
I personally think it would be wise to wait until drp posts his video that explains more clearly the entirety of the conditions that have been set forth for settling the matter with dprjones. For all we know, the idea of him doing volunteer work or somehow restoring the money to the hospital could be one of the conditions.
k9lionheart 2 years ago
okay, one topic that I didn't cover in my response video was the fact that Shawn is still liable for the false DMCA filing, even if he didn't understand law. "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."
when you enter into any kind of legal proceeding, it is assumed that you had researched the topic well enough before embarking on it. There is no legal excuse for the false filing of a DMCA. You are supposed to research the law before you file.
Ignorance is no excuse in a court of law
OrionSyndicate910 2 years ago
That's right! He claimed he didn't understand copyright law, and yet he was well educated on the matter after the debacle with thunderf00t. As for this time, I would have felt much more comfortable if I'd heard him say, "dprjones is NOT a pedophile." Something rings disingenuous to me.
Hereticbooks 2 years ago
TV show Judge Judy to sew the fucker js lol
palace486 2 years ago
Based on his history and his current demeanor, I would think that all DMCA flags that Shawn has put up will be disregarded. Further, escalation of anger/violence/hatred is something that the unenlightened do. I think dpr and Tf00t are trying to rise above that. Not to put you down, Thor, but there's a different perspective that comes with age. Vengeance is futile.
I think this matter should be dropped for now. dpr has said that if Shawn comes back, he will face legal action.
LilithMaura 2 years ago 2
Wih all resapect to dpr for the position he has taken, it isnt his call whether legal action is taken or not, only whether he takes it or not. Shawn offended against a lot of people, and dpr doesnt peak for all of them. He made his decision, others must make theirs.
buttonsg1 2 years ago
I know what I said on the original video, but I'm behind you 100% hathor. Those people at SKH deserve better than this "ending" result.
AntiChristAntiFail 2 years ago
Well done thor! This is true. DPR and Tfoot are doing shawn a disservice by not proceeding. I think they realise any damage financially will be worn by Shawn's parents anyway. Unfortunately, THAT is the *pain* that shawn NEEDS to feel. And sparing the rod time after time is what has caused shawn's skewed outlook.
hotspur2514 2 years ago 2
I wasn't convinced of VFX's sincerity either, it's quite surprising that they would elect to take no action.
Given the scope of the DMCA's filed(several hundred) and the fact that this is his SECOND time filing a mass of DMCA's an apology is simply not excusable.
stagism 2 years ago
I feel like DPR is getting the wool pulled over his eyes again. Shawn needs tougher love than this. I agree that Shawn might be cunning enough to have planned this. I doubt Shawn is staying away. I doubt Shawn will get help. I think DPR got caught up in a sense of self-satisfaction and walked away. I hope I'm wrong...
neveruse513 2 years ago 4
well it's a difficult issue, because at the center of it is a disturbed young man.
is his apology video honest? yes, most certainly. compared to all the other apologizes its clearly honest. go watch his past apologizes back to back as well as this one. there's a clear difference in presentation.
however, it's easy to talk. but can he walk the walk? jog the jog? strut the strut? you get the point.
this is something only time can tell.
on the other hand, i completely agree with your mistrust.
mxdirector 2 years ago
1st of all dpr is making another video about this, so maybe things will change a bit.
But for now, this isn't justice.
Dpr acted as a judge, when no one from those who were attacked with false dmca's by shawn asked him to do so.
If he really thinks shawn needs "help" and not jail time/fine, doesn't he have faith that the judicial system will rule as well ?
Why does he want to ban shawn instead of ordering him to leave the comments/video replays free from moderation ?
He needs to clarify.
rapzeh4 2 years ago
He sounds sincere. I wouldn't take down the video's, but you should give him one very last chance and not go to court.
Blackadder125 2 years ago 2
Urgh God just let it die Hathor. He's gone, his VenomFangX persona is dead lets just move on. Lord knows we've seen enough of this twerp. And what, you want him tell everyone exactly what help he's getting, provide proof and keep us updated on exactly whats happening each week? Frankly thats none of our business. 2nd this isn't the book 1984 and your not Big Brother. 3rd therapy will never work if he's not allowed to move on because people like you think your entitled to monitor his fucking life
nomis101uk 2 years ago
Similar to a court order, I would like to know that he hasn't just vacantly apologized and then gone somewhere else to commit the same fraud.
However, this video was more about sick kids hospital. If he gives back what he stole, I'll consider the issue a dead one, but not before then.
I've got some family experience with children's hospitals, and I won't let the issue die without him returning every penny he owes, in cash or sweat.
lordhathor 2 years ago
I checked one of the so called charities he gave money, and they were other christian nutjobs. So far so good.
But there has be be a way to stop him from ever donating to himself, by a made up charity. which is why I checked. In fact, I think he should be disqualified from ever collecting charity money again. Regardless if he turns around.
JRBendixen 2 years ago
he wants the videos about him to be taken down... well, we don't rewrite history so that it can be perfect, and we could feel good about our selfs...
if he gets help, I would like to know details and progress, he apparently learned nothing from the apology to tfoot, so he has problems
tasehagi 2 years ago
i don't think he is capable of delivering a sincere apology because i think he's sociopathic. While i sympathize with his family and fully understand DPR's very human and humane response, there is just too much evidence that Shawn has dissociated from the "VFX persona", showing a refusal to identify with and take responsibility for it.
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XxDeathbytearsxX 2 years ago
I hate to be so bitter here, but I'll believe it, when I see it! At this time, I question his sincerity, how much is actually coming from the heart, or is this fear of legal consequences? I look at Shawn & his past apologies, or his goodbye video to You Tube, & the impression I get is he's an actor. The green screen which he set up & the crocodile tears, as if to say all Atheists are evil. I just simply don't buy it. Why now out of the blue have a change of heart, when you never did before?
XxDeathbytearsxX 2 years ago
Sometimes people forget what it is like to be young and face bullies. Bullies know full well what they are doing. They understand when they hurt others and simply do not care.
As people get older, they tend to make excuses for people being young and the bad actions they take.
Well wake up! These manipulators only understand one thing, consequences that affect them.
emeralds222 2 years ago
I am also critical of VenomFangX latest video. His old videos need to be kept up to show what he got up to.
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mpr1985 2 years ago
As a practical matter, what do you think you'd gain with litigation? The guy got some of your videos taken off line a few days, not exactly a large amount of damages for civil suit and Shawn wouldn't see jail for violating criminal law.
Hope dprjones has Shawn volunteering for working at the Sick Childrens Hospital, kind of the Christ washing feet thing.
Interesting how Shawn is such a bad guy, compared to daddy outsourcing dozens of jobs from Canada I've seen no one mention.
robertmike57 2 years ago
Sociopaths don't work this way.
emeralds222 2 years ago
I don't want anything other than a judgement against him. I hope he'd wish to avoid that and return the money, of his own pocket, either in cash or sweat.
lordhathor 2 years ago
Not excusing Shawn's Sick Childrens Hospital money collecting, but:
1. Perhaps Shawn's father has paid that
2. I question that Shawn intentionally started taking money for his own enrichment, therefore,"fraudster" may be your assumption, not an accurate description of what Shawn had done.
3. He didn't take money from you, so you have no cause of action for anything related to sick Children's Hospital.
robertmike57 2 years ago
He didnt mention a cause of action for sick kids hospital. He merely suggested that as the basis of an out of court settlement, therefore he doesnt need a cause of action concerning sick kids hospital
buttonsg1 2 years ago
When I saw the video last night, I kept thinking - how much of this is close to sincere and how much is somehow mandated? At least by someone advising him how to try to make legal action go away. His track record is not such that he can be believed on this sort of thing.
pookabun 2 years ago
Shawns first abuse of DMCA copyright law was excusable with an apology. The continued abuse needs to have lasting consequences. At least that's what I would hope.
teqwc 2 years ago
In all reality this would be great lordhathor but we all know if Sick Kids hospital ever receives the money from shawn it will never be from him but from his parents bailing him out yet again. This is such a sad thing honestly but I do agree he isn't to be trusted. Good Luck in your pursuit of justice. Great Vid! 5 Stars
MortishaCassavetes 2 years ago
I would feel much better if he was required to do some kind of community service in payment. That way his parents can't bail him out.
k9lionheart 2 years ago
i think his apology was sincere but you also make a valid point... he stole from dying kids....
ameldia 2 years ago
His pretense of ignorance regarding DMCAs is not real. He went through all of that in his "Apology to the Internets" now he says the same thing, claiming ignorance that was corrected long before.
The outstanding DMCAs must be dealt with.
macnutz 2 years ago
Coming from his background he is probably used to mommy and daddy bailing him out (I'm thinking now about his car being paid for him and phone and tuition fees and whatever else), so it's about time someone taught him about personal responsibility. I fully support you in your efforts to have his original pledge to the childrens hospital honoured.
fozziebear2009 2 years ago
i dont think his apology was sincere, after all, all he did again was he tried to get all the people to remove his videos... again... i call bullshit...
CiganTheGod 2 years ago
Despite Shawns apparent sincerity in his apology I agree with you about not understanding the copyright laws not being enough. Think back to his original 'apology' when his hand was forced by Thunderf00t. He continued to abuse DMCA's after that. He knows he has been backed into a corner and I don't think he fully understands just how many people he has affected; this is not just about Thunderf00t and DprJones. Therapy is one thing but I think he needs a nice dose of reality, too.
fozziebear2009 2 years ago
Don't buy it. I guess it will be less than six months before he is back and telling us all how we are going to hell. Any thoughts on how long till he is back?
vashcat 2 years ago
lordhathor, if he does provide you with a paypal history, make sure you're getting it directly from paypal and not his copy.. it's very easy to manipulate those documents, so only trust the initial source (Paypal)
Bluelemonzz 2 years ago
his apology didn't seem all that contrite.
jamminjago 2 years ago
I agree that he should not be allowed to profit from sick kids. That money should be given to them. If he dispersed it in some other way, even to another charity, oh well, his loss. He must give the money to the sick kids as promised.
SSanf 2 years ago
Most of these critical videos are mirrored
odenskrigare 2 years ago
I think one should walk away. you're looking at a misdemeanor offense and as long as VFX gets help...Leave him alone. You look at him and you know he isn't right, he's fucked in the head, you're taking a swing at someone who is mentally ill (look at his Joker video) if I truly believed a law thing would work(once again a misdemeanor at best in an overcrowded court system) I wouldn't be in Shawn's corner. He is getting more help than he deserves perhaps but at least he's getting help.
Kenner81 2 years ago
dprjones and Thunderf00t got what they wanted. they do not care about anyone else's situation. i say go for it and do not relent or else he'll do this again.
IdiotsGoneWild4life 2 years ago
i agree myself that even though shawn truly seems apologetic in this dprjones video it leaves much out. what help exactly is he getting? where and when? i think this stuff needs to be posted. has it stands now i'm on the fence 50/50 that shawn is trying to pull another fast one.
i hope he is truly sincere this time but there are still others out there that have been dmca'd and have the right to pursue or not or at least have vids reinstated...
hellshade2 2 years ago
@lordhathor, no offense, but isn't this a little bit petty? i admit, i'll be the first in line to get on someone's case when they start trying to refute science by posting b.s. from answersingenesis, but at the end of the day, you gotta learn to relax and say, "f it... it's f'n youtube." and if someone deletes one of my videos, bfd. if i'm in the right, it'll eventually be back up. is it really necessary taking matters any further, beyond what dprjones has already done?
cristoballs 2 years ago
cristoballs: if I break into your house, home owners insurance will pay for it. If I steal something from you, insurance will pay from it. If I punch you in the face,the pain will subside momentarily. most negative things that happen in life have merely temporary effects, but this does not justify ignoring, or permitting, their occurance.
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
Yeah I think you're right. I think it is actually quite brave of Shawn to do what he has done this time..
steinarrexfaroensis 2 years ago
well he did steal money from sick kids hospital
and he did perjure himself
odenskrigare 2 years ago
It WAS "just youtube" until he stole from sick kids.
lordhathor 2 years ago
thanks for responding. i understand he stole from sick kids hospital. but that really has nothing to do with you. the hospital and its lawyers will deal with that.
cristoballs 2 years ago
@cristoballs
Respectfully, he made it everyone's business when he asked the internet community for money. The children's hospital isn't the only party slighted. Collectively, we should be outraged; If no one else, the donors should be seeking legal action. He claims a few gave him permission to keep it, but the charity didn't recieve dime one from any of the other donors. Even if he did have permission, though, his keeping that money was motivated purely by greed.
MyOldName 2 years ago
there's an expression often used when too many people want to get involved. it's called "too many cooks." i'm sure the authorities are aware of the situation. and there is a paper trail of all the people shawn has wronged. now, if they need anyone's help, i'm sure the authorities will contact them. there's really nothing else any of us can do. so just leave the situation alone. it's being taken care of.
cristoballs 2 years ago
in fact i remember reading the comment board on the sick kids youtube channel when news of the scam broke out. i remember them saying that they appreciate the concern, and that they were aware of the situation, and i believe they (sick kids hospital) were kindly asking people to stop sending them messages about it.
cristoballs 2 years ago
For the most part, I AM leaving the situation alone. The problem is, those who have been wronged often neglect seeking justice. A large group of people, myself included, do honestly care, just not enough to do anything about it; We're like hippies and college students, but less self-righteous. However, letting someone get away with injustice encourages further abuse.
Really, though, I was just pointing out that it's not just between PCS and the charity. Others were boned here.
MyOldName 2 years ago
i don't think shawn has gotten away with anything. as i've already pointed out, the sick kids hospital is aware of his scam, and he will have to answer to them if he hasn't done so already. the videos that were removed because of false dmca's have been restored. shawn has closed down his youtube channel, he apologized for what he did, and he is gone, and i assume he is getting help. is it really necessary to drag this thing out any further?
cristoballs 2 years ago
I'm not sure how far the hospital can and is willing to pursue this, but I'm afraid it clearly is not enough. After all, the videos were restored last time, he gave his channel away last time, his sites were closed last time, he apologized last time (And this time, but followed it up by slandering DPRJones and givinbg out his address), and left last time. But here we are again. While I'm sad to see such a clown go, some cases can't be fixed through reason and bargaining. The sad truth.
MyOldName 2 years ago
so if the hospital was unable to do what you consider "enough", what makes you think any of us will be able to do anything beyond what the hospital has done? also consider the possibility that he donated everything he promised to donate after he got busted. do you really, if you were him, would you bother answering questions like this? i wouldn't. i would let people carry through with their legal action. it would only be a waste of their time and money.
cristoballs 2 years ago
cristoballs, if I steal your car, and then return it to you and apologize, do you think I should not have to face the justice system for doing so in the first place? Especially if Ive done this same thing 2 or 3 times, and each time returned the car? Same principal.
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
well, it depends really. if it were an isolated incident where i was the only person affected, yes you should answer for what you've done. but that's not the case we're looking at here. i trust dprjones enough to know that this situation is being or has been taken care of by the authorities. i also believe him when he said that the recent flood of dmca's might not be from shawn. it is possible to fake your identity on those claims. so do we punish shawn for all of them?
cristoballs 2 years ago
Lord hathor found evidence and he mentions on his channel confirming that the string of 200 something odd DMCAs was indeed, from Shawn.
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
i've seen the video you're referring to, and yes shawn does admit to filing dmca claims, but never says that he filed all of them. nevertheless, even if he filed all 200, i still think it's a petty thing to take to court. honestly, if it happened to me, and this is the only standard i'm measuring this by, i would let it go. shawn clearly has issues, and from what dprjones has said, it appears as though he's getting the help he needs to deal with them.
cristoballs 2 years ago
While I tend to have a high respect for your opinion, as well as dpr's and thunderf00t's, I agree with lordhathor here.
Suppose Shawn did not have the affluence and influence of his father to fall back on. Truly, I think his father is a non-issue.
And so what if dpr is happy with the outcome insofar as he is involved? He is not the proxy for other affected parties.
MrAmmo 2 years ago
i understand that. but at some point each of us must ask ourselves, "what am i doing this for?" if it's truly to set things right, then there should be no "if then" arrangements. thor should just carry through with legal action. and furthermore, if i were in the same position i would do this as low-key as possible. there is no sense in making this a public issue. there are people who would gladly relay this request to shawn privately. why make a video about it?
cristoballs 2 years ago
Why not make a video about it? Youtube is the public arena. Shawn abused and misused this medium. He solicited funds in the name of charity. He used legal tools to censor media, illegally and repeatedly.
Frankly, if nothing is done to uphold what is right, this type of abuse will continue without real consequence.
Why is any of this a private issue, when it clearly affects the public? This isn't just Google's YouTube, but mine, yours, and everyone else's.
MrAmmo 2 years ago
because it's beating a dead horse. shawn is gone. his channel is down, and he's actually apologized like a normal person for once. he wasn't reading from a script like he originally did 8 months ago. i sensed a lot more sincerity and humility in his last video, than i ever did in any of the videos he ever made before that. is it possible it's all just an act? sure. i can concede that. but why not give him the benefit of the doubt. if it turns out to be an act, i'll admit i was wrong.
cristoballs 2 years ago
but if he's truly sincere, just give the guy some room to breathe. i'm sure he has enough to deal with right now with the sick kids hospital, and the shame that he's brought upon himself and his family.
cristoballs 2 years ago
I doubt the sick kids hospital even knows what happened, because if they did VFX would be in jail, because what he did was highly illegal.
You dont just commit charity fraud, get found out, without anything happening to you.
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
they made a statement on their comment board on their youtube channel about the situation. they know about it. they were being flooded with comments about shawns actions, and now if you go to their channel, you'll see that comments have been disabled. as i recall, their statement said something to the effect of, "we aware of this scam, and we are taking care of it."
cristoballs 2 years ago
whats sickids youtube channel name?
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
SickKidsFoundation
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cristoballs 2 years ago
thor's phone call to sick kid's hospital:
watch?v=EdFDPIH_Y-E
cristoballs 2 years ago
thats just it. Most people dont believe hes gone for good. He did this to thunderfoot, and then to dprjones once before. He shut down his "ministry" once, during the thunderfoot war (though he still had the channel open, just not updated) then he said he was leaving again, and gave his channel to geerup. Now, here he says hes leaving, for a 3rd time, and all of a sudden everyone is to believe he is sincere? really?
TheMysteriousAtheist 2 years ago
and in all that time, did you ever see him brought to such shame and humiliation as you're witnessing now, so much so that his father had to prepare a statement to be read on youtube, and that dprjones would be asking for leniancy towards him. the guy is in a world of shit right now. so let it be.
cristoballs 2 years ago
If Thor is suggesting that an out-of-court settlement is possible, then he can make that settlement in any way he likes and as such if he wishes to make a charitable donation aa condition, then he has that right. It would be a privtae agreement and therfore it does have something to do ith him.
buttonsg1 2 years ago
then he might as well just go through with filing legal action. i don't think shawn is going to meet every demand from the people he wronged. i don't think it's possible for him to do that. thus, it's pointless making videos like this.
cristoballs 2 years ago
Thor hasnt asked him to meet every demand from everyone he wronged. Just this demand from one person he wronged. It's really up to Shawn whether he is willing or able to comply, isnt it?
buttonsg1 2 years ago
I've been waiting for this. dpr can make whatever arrangements suit his situation. I say if you want to put his feet to the fire, go for it. There's a discussion on rozeboosje's latest video on this very subject. It's all fine and well that Shawn gets to talk to someone about his issues, but the users who were dmca'd deserve to have their content restored. Not to mention that those who might want to try out Shawn's tactics need to know there are consequences.
dmwalker24 2 years ago
I get why you say what you do. Is it possible that the only folks that will actually 'pay' for Shawns behavior is his fmaily - which really has no responsibility here. I have no problem with pursuing a court order for the records or community service(so long as he's not around impressionable sick kids) Let him get a real job to pay whatever amount he has defrauded the hospital of...
CityzenJane 2 years ago
I agree with you, I really don't buy this apology, He needs to give the money to sick kids hospital, and actually pay for his actions this time, lets not allow this whole thing to happen again a year down the road.
silver6kraid 2 years ago
Damn Right,
He filed Hudreds of DMCAs this time, and all he does is apologize to Dprjones and make some whiney video vaguely apologising to Youtube users in general? Thats straight up Bullshit. He's clearly NPD but thats no excuse... even Narcissists know right from wrong and are still accountable for their actions. He's an adult... so why is his dad part of this anyways. I know he pays his bills, but SHAWN is an adult and is acting on his own accord and of his own free will. SICK KIDS!
3mate1 2 years ago
On the matter of Shawn, If he does not have the money you can make him volunteer at the sick kids hospital or at soup kitchens in Toronto.
You should really send DPRjones or Thunderf00t a message on their full exchanges and agreements with Shawn before pursuing legal action.
lulzcoaster 2 years ago 2