Senna and Rosberg battle at the Nurburgring 1985

[joseavs]

@wilsoncalabresi and the other outstanding overtaking was just at 2:10 with a very different line. In this times, Rosberg, with better car said something like that: " I need to learn new driving technics before watching Senna".

[X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X8X]

What a start by both of them and what a battle !

I love and miss them both, as I miss Mansell and Gilles Villeneuve too !!!

[t3d3k]

this engine sound <3

[Elbrusbase]

Why did Gilles have to die in 82?? more three or four years and we could see the best battles of Formula one history: Gilles Villeneuve vs Ayrton Senna.

[dazincalculation]

A forgotten F1 driver...Teo Fabi driving a piece of shit still could get poles in 1985-6. -daz in oz

[joseavs]

Yes, Ayrton Senna has an absolutely stunning start and the commentators does not talk about that. Incredible from 5th to 1st in a very short straight.

[wilsoncalabresi]

@joseavs He comment it at 1:25 and at British GP start also

[coveyuofm15]

5th to 1st before the first corner.....WHAT!!!!! Commentators don't even say anything. hahaha. Senna is the best.

[dazincalculation]

2:11 notice that when Rosberg did a similar thing in Britain, see what Senna did! -daz in oz

[catalinaumbert]

Senna ! The only pilot at par with Gilles Villeneuve.

[theocruz02]

@catalinaumbert Agree, they were both genius. After them, comes Piquet, Prost, Schumacher, Lauda, Fittipaldi, etc...

[junglemanlawyer1]

@catalinaumbert I see the similarities.

Good times!

[dazincalculation]

@catalinaumbert Excellent comment! Gilles would be ahead though due to his more mature dicing with others.

[JCCyC]

Sometimes I think Gilles Villeneuve died to save us all. If he, Keke and Ayrton diced it out in a threesome dogfight, the Universe would implode from excess awesomeness.

[Michaelingolfhansen]

Notice how Rosberg prepares the overtake at 1:30 by taking a much different line in the corner which gives him a faster exit than Senna!

BTW: How I hate when commentators do stuff like this: “Consequently….” …being distracted, and then forgets to return to what they were talking about!!!

[rodcb2011]

Keke was an excelent driver, sucks that the williams had no consistency in 85 or he would have a better challenger to prost than alboreto.

[dazincalculation]

@rodcb2011 I agree, he's actually a very much underrated driver. His effort in 1982 was nothing short of brilliant and his 1983 Monaco win was superb.

[hide86]

Is it just me, or Senna's overtake at 2:20 looks just the same as Villeneuve's last overtake on Arnoux in Dijon '79?

[rjjcms1]

Does anyone remember a collision involving Rosberg, after which the drivers get out of their cars and Rosberg starts a punch-up with the other driver? I seem to remember this from probably around 84/85/86, but who was the other driver and which race was it?

[Tomasch]

this senna and this rosberg actually could drive.....

[wtficantgetausername]

amazing stuff from both pilots

[dreakheart]

the guy in the brown jacket at 2:57 is that jeremy clarkson ?

[philateliceun]

@dreakheart nah look closely, different shape head.

[dreakheart]

the guy in the brown jacket at 2:57 is that jeremy clarkson ?

[Buckbigchaves]

good times!

[thehitchrules]

Senna went for every gap that ever existed. Priceless footage of the maestro in action .

[gp4nut]

Great stuff, those cars are so much better than the aero monsters we have today.

[iamserge]

i am shivering when i hear all these great names in one sentence! senna was just a hero!

[WeLWets]

Senna is legend and the myth. Rosberg is more like a Montoya,. remembered as a crazy and a bit underrated.

[YklausK]

@WeLWets

Rosberg more like Montoya? Blasphemie!

[TheVargr]

Talk about dull commentators. Certainly no murray walkers.

[djfryer2002]

@TheVargr One of those voices is definately James Hunt though.

[simoncase]

He can go and have an early bath :D

[liviuaileni]

Yes, but what about Fabi's unbelievable bad start!!

He qualified almost 1.2s ahead of Johansson's Ferrari thanks to the new Hart engine but he retired after 29 laps with clutch problems. Senna retired 2 laps before Fabi. Rosberg retired as well late in the race and Alboretto won it ahead of Prost.

[vendettavenom]

Senna is the best!!!



[Audioquest56]

Wow, no comments about Teo Fabi being in pole position in the Toleman?!? How the heck did that happen? Was qualifying disrupted by rain?

[GTAGIS]

@Audioquest56 Pirelli . On some occasions, Pirelli was superior to Good Year. you can for instance see that at Monaco 1991 with Modena qualified in second position. Don't mistaken, Modena was good , but in some circumstances, Pirelli did a great job.

[Audioquest56]

@GTAGIS Yes, I remember Pier Luigi Martini surprising many people in the Pirelli-shod Minardi in late 1989 (I believe Portugal & Spain).

[GTAGIS]

@Audioquest56 yes,great, you're right. Pierluigi Martini qualified 5th at Estoril, 4th at Jerez !

And he did qualify 2nd in Phoenix 1990 !!! At Monza 1989,he was only 26th on the grid ! 25th at Spa ! of course, the Ford Corworth had a lack of power, and was better on slower tracks, but such gap could more probably be explained by tyres. An improvement on car, you gain small tenths of seconds, an improvement on tyres, maybe 1 or 2 second if you get the optimal mixture for the track ! Thanks ;-)

[supercas46]

This is great racing, no idea how anybody could call Sennas actions dangerous here.

[mightychozza]

In Murray Walker's biography they talk about this race and how James Hunt made it his mission to wind up Tony Jardine before the start and make it as difficult as possible for him, classic James Hunt!

[weallfollowmanutd]

Lucky Rosberg spotted him in his mirrors in the final move. Pretty desperate if you ask me. Rosberg was a very fair driver and I can understand why he didn't have the same sort of respect for him, like others do. If you had two drivers like Senna at that time, there would be a lot more accidents.

[Drenwickification]

@weallfollowmanutd Well yea, I mean I don't know if Senna actually said this or it was just someone talking about Senna, but they said he would go into moves knowing there would be an accident unless the other person moved, and if they did move it would mean he would have won the psychological battle and would be able to scare them into letting him past in the future by going into crazy moves again. He was certainly a great driver and thinker.

[Scope951]

@Drenwickification

that was brundle in the top gear tribute to senna

[sargatanas88]

I think maladsyko is talking bullshit. it 's a big difference passing 4 or 5 cars starting from 10th or 15th place rather than from 4th or 5th and taking the lead. in the first case there is probably a consistant technology advantage while Senna in Donington 93 had had no advantage. compared to the Williams Renault of Prost and Hill his car was underpowered.

[sargatanas88]

the Honda Turbo what an engine

[danthemanpatrick]

1984 was the first year of F1 racing on the little wussie 'GP' circuit at Nürburg, right?

[maladsyko]

have a nice day !

from a nobody ;)

[AnimeManiac89]

2.56 wtf guy in brown jacket McGyver o_o ???

[manoelcaraballo1]

People talk about Senna passing 4 cars on Donington before the 1st lap was complete... here he passes 4 cars before the 1st curve!

[maladsyko]

@manoelcaraballo1 : the senna's donington performance is so much overrated ! not only him, but so many drivers have made much more than 5 or 6 overtakes in the 1st lap of a GP !

[LouieGee]

@maladsyko Not the way he did, mate. When someone like, for instance, Stirling Moss says that Donington was a masterpiece, who are you to disagree? And we don't even need his opinion, just watch the first lap. If you think that is "overrated" you know nothing about racing.

[maladsyko]

@LouieGee : yeah i know nothing about racing :)) lol well what i know, and what i've witnessed, are so many equal, if not, better 1st lap performances, not only from senna, but also from other drivers, either under rain, or normal conditions ! what stirling moss or any other motorsport celebrity says front of cameras has not great value, and i know what i say, as an ex-motorsport journalist !

[LouieGee]

@maladsyko Yeah dude... ok... what Stirling Moss says in front of cameras (he didn't even said that in front of cameras) has not great value, but something that a nobody said over the internet has... ok.

[maladsyko]

@LouieGee : one last thing : i'm a senna fan !

[LouieGee]

@manoelcaraballo1 Off course this was brilliant, this is Senna, after all. But the circumstances of this and Donington are different.

[TheMightyAntar]

If I remember this correctly wasn't Murray Walker sick so Tony Jardin had to stand in at the last minute? I think it was the only time Murray missed commentating on the GP for BBC after they started regular coverage

[joseavs]

Superb start for Senna in 5th place. With 130hp less than the Williams-Honda Senna was capable to stay ahead from Rosberg in the turns. If we see in the straight the Williams was more fastest. Finally the Lotus suffer a transmission problem in lap 27 and he retire.

[Lolzilol123]

@joseavs Why do you think the Renault had 130 horsepower less than the Honda? I find that hard to believe.

[Lolzilol123]

@joseavs I don't understand - the Wikipedia articles don't even mention power. And I know both cars were quite good.

Why do you think the Renault was 130 horsepower short compared to the Honda?

[joseavs]

@Lolzilol123  The FW11's most notable feature was the Honda 1.5 Litre V6 turbo engine, the most powerful in F1 at the time producing 800 bhp at 12,000rpm and well over 1,000 bhp in qualifying. Added to the engine's power were the aerodynamics, which were ahead of the MP4/2 and the Lotus 97T, for this resano with more than 6 ret. Lotus was unreabile car with less power than Williams. Lotus never catch this performance. Senna won in wet his first 2 races. Not in dry.

[Lolzilol123]

@joseavs I do know that the Lotus Renault was behind the Williams Honda in both aerodynamics and power, but surely it wouldn't be 130 horsepower? That would give the Williams a much better acceleration compared to the Lotus than what we see in this video (and others).

[hayashiyuuzen]

lol... we don't see that much now a days huh... raising a hand to say thanks in f1... haha would love to see webber and jenson do it ahahah!

[Senninha1960]

@hayashiyuuzen

or Webber an and his pal Vettel!!

[YklausK]

the last chicane was so smooth back in 1985.

[f1junkie08]

True indeed.

Rosberg took Senna on Lap 2 and then Senna got him back several laps later. So, I guess while not technically a battle, Rosberg vs Senna is always interesting.

[boxerevolution]

Someone told me that Rosberg hated Senna.

02:30 Kamikaze Senna ;)

[LouieGee]

That's a lie. And I didn't get the "kamikaze Senna".

[MacGovernor]

@boxerevolution I doubt that. The 2 gentlemen must have had deep respect towards one and other.