Bisu's Ultimate Proxy - Pimpest Play! Bisu v Pokju, 6/25/07

[Entar0adum]

did he die

[Beniu09]

Omg all ur stupid forge things... pokju should build 2 or 3 shield battery and micro well, but he forget even about 2 pylon and he was suply blocked what a fucking noob

[Vlakpage]

if pokju put his first pylon right above the minerals, it'd we be shut down hard but of course he didn't know what's coming.

[JHaskell4429]

@CaptainCrunchOwns I believe you

[CaptainCrunchOwns]

Pokju retired after this game. No lie.

[17teacmrocks]

the poor guy didn't know how to respond. noobs tend to respond to things they dont have exp vs with copies. he should've done 1cannon or can+gway and blocked one path with building. forge always finishes faster.

even with super zlot micro and same army qty, being proxied in your base will almost always lead u to lose. they can dodge and ignore ur zlot and hit probes. even 1:1 dmg, the distraction blocks probe mining a lot more than u realize

[dniceo7]

@17teacmrocks pretty easy to say what he should've done when you watch a VOD 4 years later, right? random scrub youtuber calling pokju a noob.....

[Shavre6562]

ha ha great tactic. defeat like a noob.

[MrCosteffective]

dat video

quality is so sexy!

[ddrddrddrddr]

Even if I don't judge his response to the initial pylon and gateways going down, his probe/zealot micro was still fail.

[CookiesMaker]

uhm.. i dont see anything that says bisu and pokju or that looks like.. its kinda blury but i see something like honho vs teghyong....

[victorialaj]

How i wish the video can be in HD mode.

[R4Akai]

1:16 real gamestart^^

[mpsantti]

its funny that it was worlds best protoss vs worst protoss

pokju has win ratio of 8%

[NightHawk92929]

1:00 for the start of the game

[llVIU]

I hate rushes, there's more to starcraft than just the starting buildings and units

[erinyeom]

@llVIU noob

[llVIU]

@erinyeom is that the peak of your intelligence?

[Mr2Azn4You]

@llVIU There's more to starcraft than all the buildings and all the units. It's called strategy.

[baDnewS997]

bisu vs pokój :D

[lololololol]

i think bisu tried to give pokju an easy win by doing this cheese cuz he thought a pro would counter this kind of play, but pokju was so bad that he couldn't even counter thus losing the game. i'm saying this cuz pokju had a 0% winrate at the time lolol

[StayAWhileAndListen5]

Pimp play, great cast. Don't ever use LotR references, you clearly don't know what your talking about....

[phadedlife]

Anyone who cheeses like this in a tourney is a fucking doucher.

[1minutetillmidnight]

@phadedlife Everyone cheeses in tourneys. If nobody did then greedy play wouldn't ever get punished.

[Nemi246]

This is awesome, but somehow I can't stop feeling bad for Pokju..

[WungTung]

LOOOL the guy who kinda looks like gollum ROFL

[shmuckling]

LOL, Pakju deff panicked - he could have gone forge, one cannon in the mineral line and been just fine, while costing Bisu 500 mins, than use the forge for upgrades to justify the cost even better... panic if the worst ! :) But regardless, that was very pimp by Bisu! I miss watching him.

[TheEquationSlayer]

Wow, Wiki does say this was his last game. Poor guy...

And he doesn't really resemble Gollum. -__-

[Alexon88]

it's very very great of you, to tell how fantastic the end is... I want to see the MOMENTUM not any end in near future man. you take all the excitingness

[Alexon88]

how make starcraft 1 grafic even worse? you see it in this video..

[wiithepeople2]

pokju quit playing in '08 because of this game.

[wakesFTT]

pwned.

[gofucktourself]

23 people are who lost to this strategy somewhere in the battlenet

[666cccccc]

i couldn't proxy like this 2with such a straight face, never, ever

[MarkLKJ]

he looks like gollum and he gets destroyed like gollum lol

[PlummetRu]

Pro koreans happen to be noobs as well as all other players do.

Ask White-Ra and he'll tell you that in this kind of situation you have to build a Shield Battery and the second Gateway ASAP. You also need to build a pylon next to your "manner" gap (1 squeare lower) to easily secure this gap from being "manner-pyloned".

Most of iccup D players know that stuff. Pokju didn't.

[GOSUPitZ]

@PlummetRu So what if D players know the counter? Can they face bisu's micro with this rush?

[PlummetRu]

@GOSUPitZ

I believe they can put down a pylon under their minerals, second gateway and a battery, while Bisu is microing with a single probe.

For Pokju it could have been a way to type "gg" 2 minutes later while dying not so horribly.

[lancekun]

que pendejo

[greenbeenie60]

Seriously not enough new units still the same tired 3 races..Yes agreed SC2 is a great game but its almost the same game in many respects. Us noob players and im sure some of the awesome players would have liked to see a few new races just not one. Boring.

[greenbeenie60]

Serioulsy I may have miss the point but SC2 is a great game but after 10 damn years come on its falls far short of what it should have been. Far short.

[ihmemies2]

Anyone know if is it illegal for sc player to have any other kind of hair?

[OoShinkooO]

23... I want to see a real fight, not battle of the probes...

[TheFubit]

humiliation.

[jinzologisch]

21 people (including me) hate cheez

[TomValedro]

what a moron. when he saw a gateway go up why the fuck not pull out 8 probes and kill the pylon? doesnt he realize that after you've killed the pylon bisu has NOTHING and has wasted a shitload of minerals.

[Mydredc]

@TomValedro this aint SC2 you know

[TomValedro]

@Mydredc What the fuck is that supposed to fucking mean? shitface.

[Mydredc]

@TomValedro it means that SC1 isnt SC2, they are very different in many ways and you obviously never played it so shush got enough trolls to deal with already..

[TomValedro]

@Mydredc ur a fucking retarded twat. why would u assume that? I only play scbw cos sc2 was such a disappointment, so you fail fucking hard u douchebag.

[Mydredc]

@TomValedro If you say so. Just remember; you arent 13 forever.. use the time wisely.

[Gooshnads]

@TomValedro

You really found sc2 a disappointment?

umadbro?

just save up money to actually buy sc2... because you clearly have no played it

[TomValedro]

@Gooshnads I have sc2, I can play you and own u if u want proof. I only enjoyed the campaign but the mutliplayer is too boring compared to scbw.

[Gooshnads]

@TomValedro

I'm not gonna say if you can or not

But what about it if you can?

How about going outside once in a while with what they call human beings?

If you found the campaign fun and not the multiplayer, you're mad.

[TomValedro]

@Gooshnads Yes, I found it extremely disappointing compared to SCBW because it is not as versitile, harassing doesn't count as much. Also the micro & macro has been made too easy and repetitive compared to SCBW, in that regard I think SCBW is better in multiplayer mode compared to SC2.

[Gooshnads]

@TomValedro

The fact that harassment doesn't count as much allows for MORE versatility

It forces players to take more calculated risks -.-"

Micro has only been made easier because of smarter AI...

I personally don't want dragoons walking into walls when i want them up a ramp

Macro has been made easier because of what? You don't need to click the minimap to go back to your base and click a few things more?

If you're not clicking the minimap in the first place, you suck, end of story.

[TomValedro]

@Gooshnads No. it's just macro up and a-move, and U cant muta harass, and by saying that ur goons get trapped in some wall indicates to me that you are some d rank scrub with 50 apm who plays sc2 because it's laughably easy in it for noobs like you to reach the highest league in the game. SC2 is shit compared to scbw.

If you like a more versitile & challenging game go for scbw but If you just want to do the same shit from game to game go for sc2.

[Gooshnads]

@TomValedro Narrow minded fool. Btw I want to ask What if you are A rank or whatever.. It amuses me how worked up you are about this Do try to get a life outside of this game. Oh and btw... The game is SO FUN WHEN I CAN JUST DARK SWARM AND ATTACK MOVE LOL -.- I'm also not saying that I can't micro my goons I'm talking about the shit AI... It's a design flaw, not an intentional thing they put into the game so that "better players can get ahead" -.-" Learn game design instead of just playing

[TomValedro]

@Gooshnads I do have a life thanks I'm just defending my point. And the shit AI makes you put more of your apm into it which makes it more fun. And there are more builds & tactics in it compared to sc2 anyway.

[Gooshnads]

@TomValedro

There are "more" builds only because sc2 is not as developed as sc1...

Do you really think it has no room to grow?

You're also getting confused between design choice and design flaw...

Shitty goon ai was not a choice to make it so better players feel better...

It made it detrimental at some points when players could sometimes reliably get their goons up and sometimes couldn't

There was no consistency.

yes those who can micro them are better but the "fun" didnt come from that flaw

[Toro953]

@TomValedro tomvaledro you have no idea what youre saying. Blizzard has for years, acknowledged the shit AI from starcraft one and promised to improve it, as it was a programming flaw, not something intentional..

[TomValedro]

@Gooshnads It doesn't have that much room to go, there isn't things to invent in sc2 like mutamicro, irradiate vessel etc. because it's too finely honed.

Now fuck off u dickhead to your marinemarauder A-move -> win shitty fuckface sc2 game, I can't be bothered to read your retarded comments anymore. Bye.

[Gooshnads]

@TomValedro

Sorry bud i dont use terran

Really? Shitty fuckface sc2 game ?

then you go onto say MY comments are retarded?

"Hypocrisy, thy name is you"

Oh and, good job

the "my opinion is correct and it's wrong if it's any different" argument

You'll get places for sure

I love the internets because of idiots like you, I really do!

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and being an elitist with no actual reasons to why sc2 is inferior.

[TomValedro]

@Gooshnads I gave you plenty of reasons but obviously you are too thick to understand them. derp.

[Gooshnads]

@TomValedro

coming from the guy who ends up trying to throw terrible insults

I understand your reasons but apparently you don't acknowledge mine, you blind fuck

[incaylior]

@Gooshnads I sorta agree that SC2 doesn't feel quite as "fulfilling" as BW did. The skill ceiling is, without a doubt way higher in BW, thus there was a lot more potential. Still, SC2 is not an easy game and there's a lot of fun stuff to do, so I agree a lot with you on that point. However, before vaeldro went 13 years old, I have to agree that compared to BW, SC2 is not and will not become its equal. SC2 is just too noob friendly in comparison. Even a crappy player like me can make master :P

[TomValedro]

@Mydredc Ur a fucking tard trying to be a smartass. pokju was a fucking retard for not attacking the pylon. He should've understood that it was bisus 1st pylon any d-rank schmuck would've known that, obviously not you nor pokju cos u both seem to have severe brain damage and something like E- rank on iccup.

[angelos7]

his coach was like "im proud of u son"

[iNtErNeTLAMA12]

this was so painful pokju rage quited the entire starcraft league

[nekrataal14]

ya... he looks like gollum!!! hahahahaahahahah lols!!!!!!!! 

[PeiD0nG]

this was pokju's last progame match TROLOLOL

[Genomatekk]

Gollum has WAY bigger eyes.

I'm Asian so I'm allowed to make that joke.

[kimeric94]

to the commentator: this is called "Doom Gating" not a "proxy gateway"

a proxy/ cheese gateway would be somewhere the opponent cannot see it then finds out how close it is to their base.

[leapingfury]

This guy sucks so much. This is really funny.

[LSDRainbow]

@leapingfury you would think a pro would know how to build a forge and then two cannons huh ;)

[MrFraktal]

richtig bitter!!!!!

[Gooshnads]

This was actually the last pro game Pokju ever played.

[jeehoondevil]

poor pokju

[gameboy772]

I'll try this in Starcraft 2 :D

[ITSREIGNING]

July 25? or June 25?

[CharlieDasEinhorn1]

This was Mindblowing!

[inSanity753]

bisu makes people look like noobs

[SvennemanZZZ]

@inSanity753 actually he is a noob because in his career he only won 1 game

[xiyuemaa]

bisu like ur so noob i can proxy in ur base and u cant do shit

[bbbbbbbbbill]

@4:20 LOOOOOL

[MrZuQuitar]

he failed to realize that if he kept Bisu's probe under control, this wouldn't be as bad. Oh well, Bisu would probabl;y just micro his probe out anyway

[Italo56194]

exclnt stratgia d bisu

[AliTobi]

@incaylior deez nuts nigga

[ppshchik]

@incaylior Because Koreans are required to type it, otherwise they'll be viewed as badmannered and be counted as "forfeit loss".

[Sosarian]

@incaylior that's because korean programers are playing against korean progamers so it is a good game

[purefunguy]

@incaylior Korean ppl are educated

[GenericRespondent]

@incaylior Actually, for KeSPA games, you aren't allowed to end a game other than using "gg"... or you will be fined. These aren't ladder games.

[sweYoda2]

just fucking attack the pylon with more probes!

[smdiddy]

@sweYoda2 if he does that then he has no one on his minerals and wont have it for zealots ouch that stings

[raymanlegy]

wow how did pokju lose that. Losing that 1 mineral patch affected him so much eh lol. I thought he would've owned bisu after he killed that 1 pylon. Bisus zealots would've been late out too.

[18guyy]

pokju had the numerous probe advantage compared to bisu's one probe. If he used more probes to fend off, he would've had more chance.

also, notice pokju's first few zealots "hesitating" to attack bisu's zealot, fixing that micro error wouldve made a difference

[ozziedoggy14]

poke jew

[YSTang019]

thats disgusting

[ozziedoggy14]

@YSTang019 lmfao tang

[angelduheist]

Standard play in sc2

[man0204]

@angelduheist yes... its like 70 % of the guys i played in sc2...do proxy....

[dragonkillaga]

@man0204 only some toss i play proxy, and half the time i catch it and down his face in

[StiffMeister1981]

pokju should forge to 1 gat and he would be able to make a canon in his mins and same time send 1 zel to bisu base (unprotected) = epic win

[walshynoscar]

how would u counter a proxy like that?

[StiffMeister1981]

@walshynoscar i just told how pokju is a nub in this game i defended few times that lame rush by tosting a forge after gateway ..

[MrDeusZZ]

@walshynoscar Just send more probes to kill the first pylon. Easy.

[Gerome63120m3]

@walshynoscar destroy pylons as fast as possbile then kill probe then destroy the pylon htat was just built use ur probes dont be scared cuz its a proxy gateway theres nothing in ur enemy's base

[purefunguy]

@phlashblazer I know and calling a gamer gollum is so insensitive

[TomValedro]

@phlashblazer lol yes he does.

[ukstubbs]

@phlashblazer he does

[phadedlife]

@phlashblazer Yeah he does. y u so mad?

[xkelvin]

chekc out those huge monitors!

[Sarimaw]

This is what happens when you construct additional pylons.

[sLiniss]

OH my...

[aplayaz2000]

wow how embarassing 

[darklunaclaw]

Pokju stopped chewing his gum =D

[Rokalacs]

4 mins game :O epic.

[MashiMar0o0]

"What did you do with my precious..."

LOL

[tgunnn]

Pokju quit SC after this match.

[ZanNNNNG]

@tgunnn did he really?

[tgunnn]

@ZanNNNNG

As far as I know, yes. It was referenced in another video (Which was like a pimpest play, basically) that he quit playing SC competetively after this game.

[MrGeschmacklos]

4:20 how pokju looks ! :D

so epic

[pkshd]

Gollum? Really?

[marzsc]

or he could pylon block and then forg and then cannons

[Esuld]

niice

[sckchui]

Bisu, in your base, building a base, pumping out zealots to defend his base, which is in your base, from your zealots being pumped from your base.

[tonyLA24]

I suggested this video! your welcome!

[flop42090]

Bisu is well known for his excellent probe control, its not likely that pokju would have been able to kill it anyway...also, if you care to notice, the red probe does take a couple hits, you can see its shield flare

[Aory2]

wow.. after the 2 gates went up, he shoulda just put 2 probes on the red probe, all except 4 probes attacking pylon... he woulda won that game easy

[Viperflame08]

why the hell didnt he send his probes to kill the red probe.....then to kill the pylon......

[ijakz]

Wtf is that guys problem giving that guy so much shit?

[Kr4zyAc3]

@ijakz who?

[mitchellclarke88]

Its pretty offensive to say he looks like gollum. Especially when he looks nothing like him.

[larsgobbens]

KILL THE DAMN PROBE!!!

[badtism]

seriously embarrasing..

[xxbluejay21]

interesting. Bisu in mbc. They must have regretted trading him out after that. Well not now, since he sucks now. I really want him to make a comeback. :(

[R4Akai]

omg its bisu again O_O

[someguynamednik]

4:19 Appropriate countenance

[evilfatsh1t]

i just noticed that the current skt t1 manager is there with mbc heros group

did he used to be the coach for mbc or something? o.o

[holyvin]

instead of attacking pylon how abut getting gateways? no idea if it works im a noob

[munchie400]

@holyvin If he'd killed the pylon the gateways would be unpowered.. not being able to make more units.. if he'd just attacked the Pylon with all his probes he might of been ok.. but he'd lose valuable mining so might of lost anyway.. that's why it's a pimpest play xD

[jkantner152]

wheres pokju going? no where

[scraggly2]

@jkantner152 he would probably beat bisu today -.-

[jkantner152]

@scraggly2 talking about in the video not in their careers

[jokacho]

best proxy, absolutely, but he wouldn't do it to a Terran

[cownerd1]

counter to this probaly put down 3 gate then transition to 3 gate speedlot

[ViRGiNsOnLY]

@cownerd1 i'd say he should've cut probes, like bisu. he kept making probes even when bisu's doing all in. I would've placed a battery shield as well = =

[NerfStudios]

wtf how does he look like gollum?

[augustmaple]

lol i thought he was just going for a gas steal that was beautiful

[dillon4321]

lmao

[s4jt]

gollum? woah, that's harsh

[thedipmeister]

@s4jt Next to Bisu, who wouldn't look like Gollum?

[Nintendoholic07]

@s4jt lol agreed....i see him more being L from Deathnote..

[lmperia]

lmaooo

[worboz]

just <3 when hi called him "the guy that looks like golum at the right"

[redc93]

This build actually works like a charm.... its rely hard to counter.. and if u send about 5 probe to kill the pylon.. ur enemy will just be even be ahead even more

[sheemsheem]

amazing this is why BISU is one of the best

[hesitation24]

bisu lost to jaedong plenty of times lol

[sheemsheem]

thats why i said one of the best..

[Jeehoonk]

Pokjuwas prob thinking the whole time FML

[gavnastyyy]

that's so risky.

[robeh05]

man pokju the whole time playing looked like he was just thinking....what...the..fuck

[Robotman42]

Pokju was too impatient - if he had simply saved his zealots and used them to protect his mineral line and put up a shield battery, he should have been fine. Instead, he brings out the probes against superior zealot numbers and loses quite a few. A worse mistake was leaving the second zealot out of the action at 3:57, where a zealot is just sitting next to the pylon warping in - if that zealot had gotten into the action earlier, he would have put up a better fight.

[ertytref]

In hindsight yes, that would work. The poor guy probably panicked at the craziness of this build, I would have.

[0100110101001011]

idk about anyone else out there but usually when someone starts building in my base for a cr or something i attack the fucking probe too and use more than just 1 on the pylon. that was kinda noobish on the guy who lost.

[Exarsh]

LOL LOOKS LIKE GHOLUM

[fiendin281]

lol BISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUuuu­u