Grad students out of touch with the real world? Or maybe just more in touch with it? Meh I can do plant and microbial GMOs, transfer whole biosynthetic pathways and make DNA my bitch so hey, I thinks its great. It might be that jealous idiots useless fucks would like to think grad students failed at life when they look at theirs? I dunno... okay overlap PCR time. Im on a horse.
@DynamoK92 Well if your talking about a biology degree... your fucked. But if your talking about biochemistry, molecular biology or something close to that like microbiology you can do a lot of things for one you can be hired at all the medical biotechs (Pfizer, Bristol Myers Squib), the more technical companies that deal in lab products (I consider it boring but hey my opinion), then there are companies that deal in industrial biotechnologies like 4th generation biofuels (Exxon, Chevron).
@DynamoK92 Think of all the amazing properties some animals/plants/microbes have on the planet, you can do something with that! like spider silk, or fish containing antifreez proteins, flurescent cats (useless but fun), and even like in on of the simpsons episodes, Tomaco (probably unethical - but you can do it!) You could engineer edible plants so they contain more nutrients. Genetic counseling thats something else you can do. Clinical biochemist thats something else (pays well too).
@DynamoK92 I guess you could do biological and chemical weapons too but thats not so helpfull. But if your doing a post graduate degree in the humanities... blah! and blah!
These are just my thoughts but it does seem right because grad students are so focused on writing papers and reading textbooks that they lose touch with the real world.
There are free books published under a Creative Commons license that are great. Check out Flat World Knowledge-the US Survey text by Trowbridge that was peer reviewed and is outstanding. Also try Stephen Mintz's online book-this one is not available in print like Trowbridge's but it is also good.
Never again assign a $140 textbook to your students. There are free books published under a Creative Commons license that are better. Check out Flat World Knowledge.
I've been sitting here trying to think of a simple way to call the Simpsons retarded for taking the piss out of graduates for ages. "Terrible life choice" Fuck off..
Graduate school is what you make it. No, you will not be happy if you made the decision to attend for the wrong reasons. I found it rewarding because my research was in an area that I have been intrigued by all of my life. I DID NOT "delay entering the real world". I received my diploma at 49 after working in "the real world" (doing something I hated but being paid very well) for a good 25 years or more!
@Elvishswimmer I think it is recommended for people to take at least three or four years of jobs in the real world. I was taking grad courses while working so I was in the real world even though I was learning more. Some even use their thesis to create a new business.
This is awesome! I'm a grad student in cognitive neuroscience and so far grad school has been an awesome experience. Yes, it's hard work and I won't make a ton of money for how many years I spend in school, but I get paid to do something I'd do for free :)
So true about grad school. I'd rather start a business and fail at it than incur the heavy costs that would be more if I went to grad school. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates never even graduated from college!
@litojonny wrote : "totally taking grad school off my list (im a first year freshman in college)"
Then you're right to take it off of your list. College is too early. Get an undrad., bachelor's degree, first, if young. But do well in the college studies. I took it too easy in undergrad. for BScs, while passing everything. There was little optimism in me for what to expect after graduating. But, and after a couple of years in industry, I wanted to do a masters degree. Depends on the mind.
@mikecorbeil I just graduated from undergrad and my undergrad advisor advised me to go to grad school! I said no because I'm not stupid to incur high costs and fight for scarce jobs. With my degree in Economics I'd rather start a business since I probably would do better than even those with Business degrees. Even if I fail, I won't burden myself financially with little job prospects. Never fails to find meaningful work though, as bad as this Economy is. Can't be down on myself!
Better then those with business degrees. I hope your undergrad taught you accounting and finance or 'how to start a business' because those are taught at business school that is why it is called business school. I always laugh at economics undergrads because they use graphs and try to control the uncontrollable. Lets say their are only two market forces...Its all bullshit. Thats why i switched to business because economics has no real world application ie economists ALWAYS disagree w each other.
@jteruel671 That's a fine decision. And, besides, it can be better to do a grad or master's degree after getting some years of real-world experience, following the bach. degree. I've read of people who got into business master's degree programs without having ever done an undergrad degree, because these people's real-world experience qualified them for jumping right into the grad level, rather than needing to go through undergrad.
That depends on the field ; wouldn't work for MD, eng., ...
@jteruel671 I wanted to do a master's CSC and CSEng a few years after having begun to work in IT/CSC, following my BSc in CSC over 20 years ago, but never thought I'ld get much with the BSc, so didn't treat the BSc studies as seriously as should've been done. Some courses were treated seriously, but due to personal interest ; while some courses for the BSc. were boring and I couldn't see any real point in doing them when what I wanted was to work (and income), rather than seek theoretical ed.
@jteruel671 Depends on each person. Some never stop until they've obtained a master's degree; while other people have been accepted into MBA degrees without having ever done and undergrad. degree. Ed. in business is often contrary to common sense, but some of this ed. is practical, but you get that with a bach. degree in business. Some blue-collar families in the US became millionaires several decades ago, due to getting relatively good incomes and being able to save plenty.
@litojonny All my prior post, part 1 of 2 of this response based on your post, is to mean is that if you're more than a year from being eligible to apply for a masters degree, then forget about it and concentrate on the studies you're doing. When you're a year or so away from being eligible and wish to do a masters, then give it real thought. Not everyone goes directly from undergrad. to postgrad. studies. Many people take some time to work, before returning for a masters
The good news is that this scene does not apply (or hopefully does not apply) to grad students in Computer Science for which I will be studying starting next year.
@SuperWolfPhoenix wrote : "The good news is that this scene does not apply (or hopefully does not apply) to grad students in Computer Science for which I will be studying starting next year."
If you're in the USA, then do a Google search for Norman Matloff at UCDavis[dot]edu on the topic of H-1B. If you're in the USA, then you owe it to yourself to learn about what he says. I know first-hand that he's right, and am not alone in the experience. And try other searches using his name and h-1b
On December 24 at 8:00 in the morning a young 14 year old boy by the name of scott Johnson was found died. Doctors couldn't come up with the cause of his death. His mother checked his email to seeif she could figure out what happened. Turns out he was still signed into myspace. She found he had gone to sleep after he read and didn't repost a chain letter. If you don't repost this to six videos a girl with no face will kill you tonight. Sorry don't want to die
I love that my MFA holding Communication Theory professor posted this in the newsfeed of our course management website. Professors like that actually make me love grad school.
Hey if you love The Simpsons' Flaming Moe's and have thought at one point or another that it should be a full song, check out the 3 mins version I made on my channel!
@PowerCoefficient What's your PhD in? I find at my school and in the faculty of science, 95% of the people coming out with a Bsc will basically be a slave in the lab (that is if they can even find one) or change careers. I find university education pretty useless in general... the government needs to make research more appealing.
Although I don't think it is the role of government to make research appealing (or the opposite), I agree that university education in most cases is far overpriced for what it actually produces. Especially in the humanities and social sciences. America's concept of higher education is far too egalitarian in my opinion, which is a contributing factor in the dilution of value for degrees.
The full discussion on these topics is waaay more detailed than this though.
@TVwatcha01 Negative. Even physics has far too many graduate students for far too few career openings. The only non-research career that requires a PhD in math, physics, or CS is quantitative finance, which, admittedly, is pretty awesome. For chem and bio, make that zero careers.
@33ehtycs: Really? I was asking in a serious tone, haha. i'm pursuing a BS right now (frosh, still on the table between biochem engineering/vanilla biochem or biophysics). If I want to do research for my life....would you suggest getting work experience for some time after I graduate undergrad, then go do grad later in my life? MD is also on my table, but that's another story. I realize a number of circumstances vary for this, and no answer is absolute, unless they are a soothsayer...haha.
@ngomez0077 The joke is that the universities have lowered their standards while turning into diploma mills. A lot of forever students are getting degress in worthlessness. The state of higher education (perhaps schooling is a better term in many instances) has gone progressively downhill. There are too many PhD's--especially in the humanities. Their options are limited because their skill set is demanded (if at all) by a small number of institutions. There are just too many of them.
Hm. While, as a graduate student, I engaged in this sort of pessimism and shaden freude, I fail to see how getting as much education as possible and putting it to good use is at all a bad thing. Of course, it would appear that some in this country prefer a non-thinking populace, but that is a road to ruin. Thinking , reading, and writing for a living, all while working with other young people in the classroom, is anything but ruinous.
@lifestandstillhere Get off your high horse, it's tiresome and predictable. The US doesn't need academics, it needs math and science majors. A simple case of supply and demand. Like lawyers, we just don't need people like you.
@toughbutfair86 I'm a science major, and I wonder how you would reorganize the system to get more math and science majors while bypassing academia. Doesn't the very concept of a science *major* imply a university education? Plus most primary research occurs in universities, and the private sector simply licenses what it can use. Beyond that, education, if one is serious committed to it, can create a quickness and flexibility of thought that is sorely needed in many fields.
@Nullifidian A lot of european countries encourage students to attent vocational schools. I think educrats are feeding at the trough. I think far too many people are attending 4-year schools. It's a waste of resources. College tuitions are set just high enough to capture all of the govt. subsidies. I think higher education has turned into just one more racket. It's sad.
@joepeeler34 Yes, too many people are going to college, but it's not the fault of the unis. Unis are a popular choice because they're seen as a hedge against the diminishing standard of living of the American working class. Back in the 50s, with strong union representation and a manufacturing base, you could support a whole family on a single middle-class salary by working at a plant. Now the manufacturing base is busted, and many students hope a degree will give them white collar job security.
@Nullifidian Not the unis fault? You mean to say that the educracracy isn't benefitting from the current situation? You mean that they don't benefit from govt. subsidization of student loans, which result in them begin able to constantly increase their prices?
It is the dollar's debasement--a rapid debasement since 1971--that is the primary problem. Unions only haggle at the margins. Onle productivity gains drive up real wages. Too many taxes, regs, and govt. programs screw things up.
@joepeeler34 That's an interesting--i.e. completely cracked--set of inferences from a simple factual statement that universities are not responsible for the economic conditions that make people want to get a college degrees.
Also, wages for the working class are falling while productivity is higher than ever, and the idea that too many taxes and regulations are at the root of the current economic situation is laughable. And the Bretton-Woods gold standard is dead and never coming back.
@Nullifidian I didn't infer anything. My post was an explicit attack on the educracracy.
You are moving the goal posts. The universities like govt. involvement in education--esp. the subsidization of it--because that enables them to set tuition high enough to capture all of the subsidies. They would be forced to make cuts else they wouldn't have butts in the seats. Without the subsidies kids and parents wouldn't be able to afford present costs. At that point unis would be forced to cut.
@Nullifidian The only thing cracked is the establishments edifice. At this point it's more of a chasm than a crack.
Let's talk about productivity. Perhaps you are unaware of how productivity is calculated by the Ministry of Truth. If obs are sent overseas by a U.S. company resulting in lower costs, the productivity gains are counted domestically. They didn't occur here, they occurred overseas.
@Nullifidian Further, businesses have cut back because of fear, which is driven by regime uncertainty to a large degree. This lowered labor cost shows up in increased productivity. Theproblem is that the other shoe is about to drop. The debt from the Fed-created credit bubble was never lfully liquidated.
Another problem with productivity gains (and the GDP measure) is it is based on the govt.'s phony CPI measure. Using pre-Boskin measures of dollar debasement the inflation rate is over 9%.
@Nullifidian I'm glad you brought up Bretton Woods. I am not a fan of the gold-exchange standard, but it is far superior to the current situation. With a gold-exchange standard a minimum of total dollars are redeemable in gold. However, it does impose discipline on the monopoly issuer of the currency, i.e. the Fed.
The avg. life span of fiat currency is 27 years. The dollar, as reserve currency, has been able to last longer than most. It's political money, and its days are numbered
@braquemar Thank you Captain Obvious. I could care less if it was a video of your mother engaged in a failed attempt to abort you. The conversation flowed into areas that weren't germaine to the video. And?
@joepeeler34 If you could care less, how much do you care on a scale of caring the minimum whilst still caring to caring as much as you possibly could.
@Nullifidian Go back and look at real wages before the govt. left the gold-exchange standard in 1971. When indexed to the real dollar debasement rate (forget the govt.'s subjective CPI), real wages have fallen. Permanent inflation and a debt-driven bubble economy courtesy of the Federal Reserve have caused incredible harm. A govt. that has created a hostile environment for capital and new market entrants only makes things worse.
@Nullifidian If you're a science/math/business major you're clearly not one of the people they, or I, am referring to, you're majoring in something that has a practical application/demand outside of academia. Get your panties out of a twist.
@toughbutfair32 My panties were never in a twist, but it sounds like yours are experiencing a great degree of torsion. ;-) On the contrary, I'm quite eager to hear how we can get maths and science majors while bypassing the university system. Since all the professors who have ever taught me anything in the sciences or maths have been academics by definition, it seems you found a way to teach science majors without having them attend university, which would save me a ton of money in student fees.
@toughbutfair86 So, wait. Math and science majors aren't academics? How is that possible? How very strange. Last I saw it, the demand for critical thinking skills and clear communication in all disciplines is high. Last I saw it, we have a crisis in literacy in this country--worse, in alliteracy. It's not a high horse. It's a clear vantage point. Big difference.
@lifestandstillhere "Alliteracy?" There's much to be said for math and science majors, but so many students are avoiding the kind of academic rigour that those majors require for less demanding majors. A country that has a nation of humanities and English majors will be literate, but they won't necessarily be educated in an real, broad sense of the word.
@shahideurope Sure. If you want it to be. I don't often spend time (or have time to spend) pointing out convention errors to people online! I do enough of that in the real flesh n' blood world. :)
@TechnologyMAN1245 Oy. And my comments related to other posters' taking the clip as truth and failing to see the value in education (ironically, some displayed their lack of education as they discussed the clip, making the jokes truly hilarious). Of course, to play devil's advocate. . .the most serious things are said in jest.
@lifestandstillhere There's nothing wrong with an education, but what some of these people are getting isn't relevant or closer to bad instruction. Too many people are getting promised a rose garden simply by graduating university. Many of these people would be better off getting a real education in the workforce or going to a vocational school.
What's a degree worth when the college's are diploma mills? Supply and demand. For something to be funny it must have an element of truth in it.
@lifestandstillhere Oops! I shouldn't have put an apostrophe on colleges. Hope a grad student isn't grading my post. Oh well, with grade inflation being commonplace, I suspect I will get an 'A' regardless :)
@lifestandstillhere Oh jeez please tell me you didn't actually put the time and effort into your post? This is the freaking Simpsons! They take the mick out of everyone! Don't take it so personally! They made fun of Irish people many times. I'm Irish and I always find it funny when the Simpsons joke about us.
@mastermaestro I was actually responding to all of the other posters who were decrying education. I laughed at the video. Please take time to read through some of the earlier comments to this video that failed to locate the irony in the clip. Make sense, now? Hope so. Cheers.
USA : Smart is bad, genius are nerd, school degree is more than enough. They call it failure.
Asian : Smart is good,genious are popular, school degree is not enough. They call it success.
And guess who is taking the lead?.
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Grad students out of touch with the real world? Or maybe just more in touch with it? Meh I can do plant and microbial GMOs, transfer whole biosynthetic pathways and make DNA my bitch so hey, I thinks its great. It might be that jealous idiots useless fucks would like to think grad students failed at life when they look at theirs? I dunno... okay overlap PCR time. Im on a horse.
SuperEndospore 5 days ago 3
@SuperEndospore mad?
DynamoK92 3 days ago
@DynamoK92 Insane maybe... but mad? Never! There's to much guacamole in the world for me to be mad.
SuperEndospore 2 days ago
@SuperEndospore other than education what can you do with a bio degree?
DynamoK92 2 days ago
@DynamoK92 Well if your talking about a biology degree... your fucked. But if your talking about biochemistry, molecular biology or something close to that like microbiology you can do a lot of things for one you can be hired at all the medical biotechs (Pfizer, Bristol Myers Squib), the more technical companies that deal in lab products (I consider it boring but hey my opinion), then there are companies that deal in industrial biotechnologies like 4th generation biofuels (Exxon, Chevron).
SuperEndospore 2 days ago
@DynamoK92 Think of all the amazing properties some animals/plants/microbes have on the planet, you can do something with that! like spider silk, or fish containing antifreez proteins, flurescent cats (useless but fun), and even like in on of the simpsons episodes, Tomaco (probably unethical - but you can do it!) You could engineer edible plants so they contain more nutrients. Genetic counseling thats something else you can do. Clinical biochemist thats something else (pays well too).
SuperEndospore 2 days ago
@DynamoK92 I guess you could do biological and chemical weapons too but thats not so helpfull. But if your doing a post graduate degree in the humanities... blah! and blah!
SuperEndospore 2 days ago
These are just my thoughts but it does seem right because grad students are so focused on writing papers and reading textbooks that they lose touch with the real world.
xluigix17 6 days ago
"homer goes to college" is the best college depiction on the simpsons.
spearmintRhino1997 2 weeks ago
Fortunately I'm only getting a Master's. lol
jm5390 2 weeks ago
Mocking grad students... That's a paddlin'.
notacaulkhead 2 weeks ago
This is so true.
Grad student is a person who knows statistics so well but fail to apply it to his/her life...
kyokushinfighter78 2 weeks ago
OMG! WHY HAVE I NOT WATCHED THESE VIDEOS!!!!!! GRAD SCHOOL IS KILLING ME!
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Hilarious.
There are free books published under a Creative Commons license that are great. Check out Flat World Knowledge-the US Survey text by Trowbridge that was peer reviewed and is outstanding. Also try Stephen Mintz's online book-this one is not available in print like Trowbridge's but it is also good.
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Never again assign a $140 textbook to your students. There are free books published under a Creative Commons license that are better. Check out Flat World Knowledge.
MrWilliamBauer 1 month ago
I was sick today, so I was able to read a ton of papers at home! Life is good.
lorddubose 1 month ago
I sent this video to my TA...
PROCOMER84 1 month ago
Being a grad student isn't that bad. I took about 4 hours this Saturday to relax instead of work.
jisaid08 1 month ago
0:27 LOL
CathrineRJ 1 month ago
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CathrineRJ 1 month ago
im confused about my future life choices due to this 43 second cartoon on youtube.
cthatshit 1 month ago 15
You can tell its from the later seasons cuz the generic humor has nothing to do with the personalities of the characters; their just talking heads.
featheon 1 month ago 3
Wow this is so true
FredRomeo34 1 month ago 5
@byunboy Yep, free bread. As long as you stay away from the whip guy.
93ason 1 month ago 4
56 grad students made the wrong life choice.
laskolasko 1 month ago
I'm a grad student in animation, so this is twice as funny for me XD
JackCaliber 1 month ago 4
i m a grad student and approve this message :))
seyyahialem 2 months ago 10
When did Dean Peterson (you can call him Bobby) become such an evil slave master?
spinynorman1982 2 months ago
@spinynorman1982 When the Simpsons started going downhill.
Lachausis 2 months ago
lmfao what episode is this?? hahaha
StingerSplash007 2 months ago
Is this what awaits me at grad school?
byunboy 2 months ago 49
@byunboy yes
TheHero4YourMom 1 month ago
@byunboy yes and god help you if you do a fellowship *cracks whip*
EatSleepGlee 2 weeks ago
sometimes i do think i made a terrible life choice...im so hungry...life of a grad student.
virgovixen0989 2 months ago
What is with the two swans on the right at 0:24?
WaywardRemnant 2 months ago 7
@WaywardRemnant
Well spotted, lol! Somebody evidently got their layering wrong.
Birdieupon 1 month ago
How did I get HERE!?
cliffwalkinfool 2 months ago
If you like this you should try and catch a screening of the PhD comics movie. It's like looking in a mirror
markq448 2 months ago
Thank goodness I'm a biology grad student.
ehandkz 2 months ago
@ehandkz Yeah, doesn't change anything.
HeartIOnceHad 2 months ago
@HeartIOnceHad Except for job demand and relativity to modern day inquiries.
ehandkz 2 months ago
I made love to a rabbit yesterday.
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These might be the most articulate and correctly spelled comments I have ever seen on a YouTube video.
economienda 3 months ago
What are grad students doing on Youtube and watching Simpsons clips?
hoopteechooptee 3 months ago 82
@hoopteechooptee Procrastinating.
Einarr1989 3 months ago
@hoopteechooptee Wanting a break from the drudgery of grading papers and writing our thesis/dissertations
SamuraiGirl02 3 months ago 2
@hoopteechooptee grad students don't hibernate when they aren't working, no one can work every minute they are awake
aj19bcx 1 month ago
I'm half laughing half having a panic attack.
NeuroticQuixotic 3 months ago 3
....this scares me now considering I'm an English Major
MadaraXIII 3 months ago
I concur so fucking hard
primepm 3 months ago
Trust me. Dropping out before you graduate is even worse.
GeneralNerd 3 months ago 2
they made a terrible life choice !! lol. So darn true !! :P
mrbond107 3 months ago
It's funny cause it's true
TheMrCFH 3 months ago
I've been sitting here trying to think of a simple way to call the Simpsons retarded for taking the piss out of graduates for ages. "Terrible life choice" Fuck off..
Jdeadevil 3 months ago
@Jdeadevil U mad Bro? :P
SecretSpetsnaz 3 months ago
@SecretSpetsnaz Lmao
Jdeadevil 3 months ago
Yeah, as if Marge Simpsons marrying a buffoon like Homer was such a wise life choice, but I guess its better than Lois marrying Peter Griffith.
shaider1982 3 months ago
Pity, Bart Simpson didn't know that he could magnetically crush the school bus using the LHC which was built by the sweat of grad students.
He also didn't know that lasers were created from the research of grad students.
shaider1982 3 months ago
Maybe Jobs was smart enough to go for exactly the treatment he wanted, and to boldly go.
laportama 3 months ago
@davidadamsawyer Gladly Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Bill Gates, et.al didn`t take care about a "thinking" like yours.
exergiovanni 3 months ago
Graduate school is what you make it. No, you will not be happy if you made the decision to attend for the wrong reasons. I found it rewarding because my research was in an area that I have been intrigued by all of my life. I DID NOT "delay entering the real world". I received my diploma at 49 after working in "the real world" (doing something I hated but being paid very well) for a good 25 years or more!
gimmie1261 3 months ago 4
lol this is so true... sad really
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@Pirate40ful
Definitely delaying entering the real world.
Grad School is the snooze button on life.
Elvishswimmer 3 months ago
@Pirate40ful
Definitely delaying entering the real world.
Grad School is the snooze button on life.
Elvishswimmer 3 months ago
@Elvishswimmer I think it is recommended for people to take at least three or four years of jobs in the real world. I was taking grad courses while working so I was in the real world even though I was learning more. Some even use their thesis to create a new business.
shaider1982 3 months ago
Watching this instead of "that's a paddlin"...that's a paddlin'
carultch 3 months ago
Being a grad student rocks, just get financial aid and let the taxpayers worry about the rest.
abe2517 3 months ago
@abe2517 Lol!;) Same here.
shaider1982 3 months ago
it's funny because it's true!
fafanull 4 months ago 3
I'll quote fat tony to make my remark "It's funny because it's true"
caracallacz 4 months ago
haha humanities students waste their lives
jackapplejr 4 months ago
RIP simpsons, you were funny once upon a time long, long ago
BannHammer 4 months ago
PhD = permanent head damage
TibbyMy 4 months ago 3
....I shoulda went to grad school
l1meyman 4 months ago
This is awesome! I'm a grad student in cognitive neuroscience and so far grad school has been an awesome experience. Yes, it's hard work and I won't make a ton of money for how many years I spend in school, but I get paid to do something I'd do for free :)
neurostar76 4 months ago
@neurostar76
How long will you need for your graduation?
MuddiModelteFuerKik 4 months ago
@MuddiModelteFuerKik
about 5 years :)
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@neurostar76
Master and PhD or only for PhD?
How much get you paid?
MuddiModelteFuerKik 3 months ago
@MuddiModelteFuerKik
both MA and PhD
neurostar76 3 months ago
@neurostar76
So you get paid for your Master study as well?
How much do you earn?
MuddiModelteFuerKik 3 months ago
I'm defending my dissertation on 11/8. Hopefully they'll stop whipping me after that is over.
AKSBSU 4 months ago
University-biggest mistake of my life lol. I know so many people who got top honours and they've got jackshit job-wise.
chrisgonatakethepiss 4 months ago
@chrisgonatakethepiss Don't worry, there's plenty of money out there for a guy who knows how to fake his own death
jjmcreal 4 months ago
I find this hilarious, and I'm a grad student.
gaoCU 4 months ago 91
@gaoCU I Agree, I am a grad student too.
germanyacko 4 months ago 46
@germanyacko I used to be a Grad Student until I got burnt out and dropped out!
sketchyinc 3 months ago
@germanyacko me too :)
myexflower 2 months ago
@gaoCU
A master student or a PhD student?
MuddiModelteFuerKik 4 months ago
@gaoCU I agree, and I'm a community college freshman!
Coffeeisnecessary 4 months ago
So true about grad school. I'd rather start a business and fail at it than incur the heavy costs that would be more if I went to grad school. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates never even graduated from college!
jteruel671 4 months ago
Simpsons give jewish issues of history . Who ever don't believ it is a defamative antisemite .
BOOOZB 4 months ago
LOL ,,,,, well,, life is all about manage the complexity. Not only to tackle difficult inteligent stuffs.
An ordinary with a plan can outsmart a genius without plan : )
bubblebloom 4 months ago
If anyone's curious:
1st part: "Diatribe of a Mad Housewife" S15E10
2nd part: "Home Away from Homer" S16E20
3rd part: "Moe'N'a Lisa" S18E06
Please correct me if I"m wrong.
Honibaz 4 months ago 3
totally taking grad school off my list (im a first year freshman in college)
litojonny 5 months ago
@litojonny wrote : "totally taking grad school off my list (im a first year freshman in college)"
Then you're right to take it off of your list. College is too early. Get an undrad., bachelor's degree, first, if young. But do well in the college studies. I took it too easy in undergrad. for BScs, while passing everything. There was little optimism in me for what to expect after graduating. But, and after a couple of years in industry, I wanted to do a masters degree. Depends on the mind.
mikecorbeil 4 months ago
@mikecorbeil I just graduated from undergrad and my undergrad advisor advised me to go to grad school! I said no because I'm not stupid to incur high costs and fight for scarce jobs. With my degree in Economics I'd rather start a business since I probably would do better than even those with Business degrees. Even if I fail, I won't burden myself financially with little job prospects. Never fails to find meaningful work though, as bad as this Economy is. Can't be down on myself!
jteruel671 4 months ago
Better then those with business degrees. I hope your undergrad taught you accounting and finance or 'how to start a business' because those are taught at business school that is why it is called business school. I always laugh at economics undergrads because they use graphs and try to control the uncontrollable. Lets say their are only two market forces...Its all bullshit. Thats why i switched to business because economics has no real world application ie economists ALWAYS disagree w each other.
ITHEREONETHATHASNT 4 months ago
@jteruel671 That's a fine decision. And, besides, it can be better to do a grad or master's degree after getting some years of real-world experience, following the bach. degree. I've read of people who got into business master's degree programs without having ever done an undergrad degree, because these people's real-world experience qualified them for jumping right into the grad level, rather than needing to go through undergrad.
That depends on the field ; wouldn't work for MD, eng., ...
mikecorbeil 4 months ago
@jteruel671 I wanted to do a master's CSC and CSEng a few years after having begun to work in IT/CSC, following my BSc in CSC over 20 years ago, but never thought I'ld get much with the BSc, so didn't treat the BSc studies as seriously as should've been done. Some courses were treated seriously, but due to personal interest ; while some courses for the BSc. were boring and I couldn't see any real point in doing them when what I wanted was to work (and income), rather than seek theoretical ed.
mikecorbeil 4 months ago
@jteruel671 Depends on each person. Some never stop until they've obtained a master's degree; while other people have been accepted into MBA degrees without having ever done and undergrad. degree. Ed. in business is often contrary to common sense, but some of this ed. is practical, but you get that with a bach. degree in business. Some blue-collar families in the US became millionaires several decades ago, due to getting relatively good incomes and being able to save plenty.
I wish you success
mikecorbeil 4 months ago
@litojonny All my prior post, part 1 of 2 of this response based on your post, is to mean is that if you're more than a year from being eligible to apply for a masters degree, then forget about it and concentrate on the studies you're doing. When you're a year or so away from being eligible and wish to do a masters, then give it real thought. Not everyone goes directly from undergrad. to postgrad. studies. Many people take some time to work, before returning for a masters
mikecorbeil 4 months ago
I would wish to have made at least 600 dollars last year :(
erictellez 5 months ago 8
The good news is that this scene does not apply (or hopefully does not apply) to grad students in Computer Science for which I will be studying starting next year.
SuperWolfPhoenix 5 months ago
@SuperWolfPhoenix wrote : "The good news is that this scene does not apply (or hopefully does not apply) to grad students in Computer Science for which I will be studying starting next year."
If you're in the USA, then do a Google search for Norman Matloff at UCDavis[dot]edu on the topic of H-1B. If you're in the USA, then you owe it to yourself to learn about what he says. I know first-hand that he's right, and am not alone in the experience. And try other searches using his name and h-1b
mikecorbeil 4 months ago
WHAT IS THIS? A SIMPSONS CLIP ON YOUTUBE THAT ISN'T IN SPANISH!?
CarrotAtHeart 5 months ago 94
@CarrotAtHeart I had the spanish version, bu it was deleted by youtube :(
germanyacko 5 months ago 46
@germanyacko Wow, even youtube is getting sick of that shit.
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Gallade22 5 months ago
42 people couldn't pass quals.
RevolutionUtena 5 months ago
I can't decide if I should recent this or laugh... i suppose I'll do both.
echoi5004 5 months ago
Fuck grad students!!!
Vigilantex7 5 months ago
I made a terrible life choice... NAH!!!
Grad's <3
NaanniiPaez 5 months ago
I love that my MFA holding Communication Theory professor posted this in the newsfeed of our course management website. Professors like that actually make me love grad school.
Artemis2002 5 months ago
Don't make fun of graduate students. They just make a terrible life choice...
meteorgao 5 months ago
what is up with the ducks at 00:25?
psycomedia 5 months ago
@psycomedia Probably the fact that they are geese.
Alextreable 5 months ago
Sad but True hahahahaha
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nicolasdumesnil 5 months ago
I'm a stone's throw away from finishing my PhD. Luckily, it is in an area that translates easily to both the applied world and the academic world.
With that being said, the glut of graduate students in most fields is shameful.
I would actually argue that the same basic problem extends to undergraduate education as well.
Also, why are people arguing about monetary policy on a Simpsons YouTube clip?
PowerCoefficient 6 months ago 59
@PowerCoefficient What's your PhD in? I find at my school and in the faculty of science, 95% of the people coming out with a Bsc will basically be a slave in the lab (that is if they can even find one) or change careers. I find university education pretty useless in general... the government needs to make research more appealing.
holyscythe 5 months ago
@holyscythe
Although I don't think it is the role of government to make research appealing (or the opposite), I agree that university education in most cases is far overpriced for what it actually produces. Especially in the humanities and social sciences. America's concept of higher education is far too egalitarian in my opinion, which is a contributing factor in the dilution of value for degrees.
The full discussion on these topics is waaay more detailed than this though.
PowerCoefficient 5 months ago
@PowerCoefficient: "most field is shameful", you are excluding STEM programs, right? :)
TVwatcha01 4 months ago
@TVwatcha01 Negative. Even physics has far too many graduate students for far too few career openings. The only non-research career that requires a PhD in math, physics, or CS is quantitative finance, which, admittedly, is pretty awesome. For chem and bio, make that zero careers.
33ehtycs 4 months ago
@33ehtycs: Really? I was asking in a serious tone, haha. i'm pursuing a BS right now (frosh, still on the table between biochem engineering/vanilla biochem or biophysics). If I want to do research for my life....would you suggest getting work experience for some time after I graduate undergrad, then go do grad later in my life? MD is also on my table, but that's another story. I realize a number of circumstances vary for this, and no answer is absolute, unless they are a soothsayer...haha.
TVwatcha01 4 months ago
@PowerCoefficient
For the same reason they rant about patriotism on Family Guy- and religion on Futurama- Clips.
SpaghettiToaster 4 months ago
@SpaghettiToaster they rant about reliogion in every tv show
ChristinaWolfle 4 months ago
@ChristinaWolfle
you are right.
SpaghettiToaster 4 months ago
Tom Woods sent me
BigDaddyDJD 6 months ago
Someone care to explain the joke for me? I never did like post season 10 simpsons.
ngomez0077 6 months ago
@ngomez0077 The joke is that the universities have lowered their standards while turning into diploma mills. A lot of forever students are getting degress in worthlessness. The state of higher education (perhaps schooling is a better term in many instances) has gone progressively downhill. There are too many PhD's--especially in the humanities. Their options are limited because their skill set is demanded (if at all) by a small number of institutions. There are just too many of them.
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@ngomez0077 you must be a grad student!:)
Chloe0418 6 months ago
@Chloe0418 Thankfully, no. I'm still just a grunt at a community college. Though this is scaring me to stay that way XD
ngomez0077 6 months ago
LOL So funny. Also the guy whipping the students at 0:36 looks like the dean from the episode Homer Goes To College.
andreww1212 6 months ago
What episode is that scene at the pond from? It is absolutely hilarious. I keep watching it over and over.
mastermaestro 6 months ago
Hm. While, as a graduate student, I engaged in this sort of pessimism and shaden freude, I fail to see how getting as much education as possible and putting it to good use is at all a bad thing. Of course, it would appear that some in this country prefer a non-thinking populace, but that is a road to ruin. Thinking , reading, and writing for a living, all while working with other young people in the classroom, is anything but ruinous.
lifestandstillhere 6 months ago
@lifestandstillhere Get off your high horse, it's tiresome and predictable. The US doesn't need academics, it needs math and science majors. A simple case of supply and demand. Like lawyers, we just don't need people like you.
toughbutfair86 6 months ago
@toughbutfair86 I'm a science major, and I wonder how you would reorganize the system to get more math and science majors while bypassing academia. Doesn't the very concept of a science *major* imply a university education? Plus most primary research occurs in universities, and the private sector simply licenses what it can use. Beyond that, education, if one is serious committed to it, can create a quickness and flexibility of thought that is sorely needed in many fields.
Nullifidian 6 months ago
@Nullifidian A lot of european countries encourage students to attent vocational schools. I think educrats are feeding at the trough. I think far too many people are attending 4-year schools. It's a waste of resources. College tuitions are set just high enough to capture all of the govt. subsidies. I think higher education has turned into just one more racket. It's sad.
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@joepeeler34 Yes, too many people are going to college, but it's not the fault of the unis. Unis are a popular choice because they're seen as a hedge against the diminishing standard of living of the American working class. Back in the 50s, with strong union representation and a manufacturing base, you could support a whole family on a single middle-class salary by working at a plant. Now the manufacturing base is busted, and many students hope a degree will give them white collar job security.
Nullifidian 6 months ago
@Nullifidian Not the unis fault? You mean to say that the educracracy isn't benefitting from the current situation? You mean that they don't benefit from govt. subsidization of student loans, which result in them begin able to constantly increase their prices?
It is the dollar's debasement--a rapid debasement since 1971--that is the primary problem. Unions only haggle at the margins. Onle productivity gains drive up real wages. Too many taxes, regs, and govt. programs screw things up.
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@joepeeler34 That's an interesting--i.e. completely cracked--set of inferences from a simple factual statement that universities are not responsible for the economic conditions that make people want to get a college degrees.
Also, wages for the working class are falling while productivity is higher than ever, and the idea that too many taxes and regulations are at the root of the current economic situation is laughable. And the Bretton-Woods gold standard is dead and never coming back.
Nullifidian 6 months ago
@Nullifidian I didn't infer anything. My post was an explicit attack on the educracracy.
You are moving the goal posts. The universities like govt. involvement in education--esp. the subsidization of it--because that enables them to set tuition high enough to capture all of the subsidies. They would be forced to make cuts else they wouldn't have butts in the seats. Without the subsidies kids and parents wouldn't be able to afford present costs. At that point unis would be forced to cut.
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@Nullifidian The only thing cracked is the establishments edifice. At this point it's more of a chasm than a crack.
Let's talk about productivity. Perhaps you are unaware of how productivity is calculated by the Ministry of Truth. If obs are sent overseas by a U.S. company resulting in lower costs, the productivity gains are counted domestically. They didn't occur here, they occurred overseas.
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joepeeler34 6 months ago
@Nullifidian Further, businesses have cut back because of fear, which is driven by regime uncertainty to a large degree. This lowered labor cost shows up in increased productivity. Theproblem is that the other shoe is about to drop. The debt from the Fed-created credit bubble was never lfully liquidated.
Another problem with productivity gains (and the GDP measure) is it is based on the govt.'s phony CPI measure. Using pre-Boskin measures of dollar debasement the inflation rate is over 9%.
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@Nullifidian I'm glad you brought up Bretton Woods. I am not a fan of the gold-exchange standard, but it is far superior to the current situation. With a gold-exchange standard a minimum of total dollars are redeemable in gold. However, it does impose discipline on the monopoly issuer of the currency, i.e. the Fed.
The avg. life span of fiat currency is 27 years. The dollar, as reserve currency, has been able to last longer than most. It's political money, and its days are numbered
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@joepeeler34 This is a Simpsons clip.
braquemar 6 months ago
@braquemar Thank you Captain Obvious. I could care less if it was a video of your mother engaged in a failed attempt to abort you. The conversation flowed into areas that weren't germaine to the video. And?
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@joepeeler34 And nobody cares.
braquemar 6 months ago
@joepeeler34 If you could care less, how much do you care on a scale of caring the minimum whilst still caring to caring as much as you possibly could.
JoolsCaesar 5 months ago
@Nullifidian Go back and look at real wages before the govt. left the gold-exchange standard in 1971. When indexed to the real dollar debasement rate (forget the govt.'s subjective CPI), real wages have fallen. Permanent inflation and a debt-driven bubble economy courtesy of the Federal Reserve have caused incredible harm. A govt. that has created a hostile environment for capital and new market entrants only makes things worse.
See "Money, Banking, and the Federal Reserve."
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@Nullifidian If you're a science/math/business major you're clearly not one of the people they, or I, am referring to, you're majoring in something that has a practical application/demand outside of academia. Get your panties out of a twist.
toughbutfair32 5 months ago
@toughbutfair32 My panties were never in a twist, but it sounds like yours are experiencing a great degree of torsion. ;-) On the contrary, I'm quite eager to hear how we can get maths and science majors while bypassing the university system. Since all the professors who have ever taught me anything in the sciences or maths have been academics by definition, it seems you found a way to teach science majors without having them attend university, which would save me a ton of money in student fees.
Nullifidian 5 months ago
@toughbutfair86 So, wait. Math and science majors aren't academics? How is that possible? How very strange. Last I saw it, the demand for critical thinking skills and clear communication in all disciplines is high. Last I saw it, we have a crisis in literacy in this country--worse, in alliteracy. It's not a high horse. It's a clear vantage point. Big difference.
lifestandstillhere 6 months ago
@lifestandstillhere "Alliteracy?" There's much to be said for math and science majors, but so many students are avoiding the kind of academic rigour that those majors require for less demanding majors. A country that has a nation of humanities and English majors will be literate, but they won't necessarily be educated in an real, broad sense of the word.
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@lifestandstillhere isn't it schadenfreude?
shahideurope 6 months ago
@shahideurope Sure. If you want it to be. I don't often spend time (or have time to spend) pointing out convention errors to people online! I do enough of that in the real flesh n' blood world. :)
lifestandstillhere 6 months ago
@lifestandstillhere These.....are...JOKES.Don't take it so seriously
TechnologyMAN1245 6 months ago
@TechnologyMAN1245 Oy. And my comments related to other posters' taking the clip as truth and failing to see the value in education (ironically, some displayed their lack of education as they discussed the clip, making the jokes truly hilarious). Of course, to play devil's advocate. . .the most serious things are said in jest.
lifestandstillhere 6 months ago
@lifestandstillhere There's nothing wrong with an education, but what some of these people are getting isn't relevant or closer to bad instruction. Too many people are getting promised a rose garden simply by graduating university. Many of these people would be better off getting a real education in the workforce or going to a vocational school.
What's a degree worth when the college's are diploma mills? Supply and demand. For something to be funny it must have an element of truth in it.
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@lifestandstillhere Oops! I shouldn't have put an apostrophe on colleges. Hope a grad student isn't grading my post. Oh well, with grade inflation being commonplace, I suspect I will get an 'A' regardless :)
joepeeler34 6 months ago
@lifestandstillhere Oh jeez please tell me you didn't actually put the time and effort into your post? This is the freaking Simpsons! They take the mick out of everyone! Don't take it so personally! They made fun of Irish people many times. I'm Irish and I always find it funny when the Simpsons joke about us.
mastermaestro 6 months ago
@mastermaestro I was actually responding to all of the other posters who were decrying education. I laughed at the video. Please take time to read through some of the earlier comments to this video that failed to locate the irony in the clip. Make sense, now? Hope so. Cheers.
lifestandstillhere 6 months ago
thumbs up if you think this will not happen to Engineer students
JDavidEfrain 6 months ago