A woman has the right to choose to have a baby or not! No one should force a woman to have a baby! The only problem is that once a women finds herself pregnant, she already has a baby! A woman does not have a right to kill her baby and that is exactly what abortion does, kills a baby. You dont want a baby? Don't get pregnant!
The child in the Womb is alive, yes? Well then if alive then a person, and the mother is only feeding and caring and protecting that Precious growing baby in her womb. That is what a womb is for!! Why else to women have them?? *Ahem*
So... And what about the Father? his seed made this life possible. and the womens nazi's want you to forget about him so they can make a stronger argument not to mention many of the founders of the modern womens 'rights' were and are men haters.
He sure stumbles alot when someone asks him potentially incriminating.
I have enacted legislation at my college that replaces all information pamphlets from Planned Parenthood regarding HIV/AIDS and other STDs with infro on services provided by non-abortion practicing groups like Catholic Charities.
Earlier tonight, ABC brought us shocking news of abortion gift certificates for Christmas! If you actually watched the whole news item, you learned that what they really meant was Planned Parenthood gift certificates which could be used for all sorts of things (such as health services). Someone sent in a witty comment that you get guns and ammo with a Christmas gift certificate from Wal-Mart.
ABC, bastion of journalistic integrity - and logic!
Believe me I know about respect for women being that I'm a 17 year old FEMALE!! If a woman doesn't want to conceive then she shouldn't have sex.But once she's made that decision she has to be willing to deal with the consequences. If she doesn't want to take care of the baby then give it up for adoption but don't murder it!
Oh, I see, so it's ALWAYS a woman's fault for getting pregnant? No exceptions. (Coughrapecough.) Then I have something you'll really like: fundamentalist Muslims! You guys have so much in common!
I wonder if he would have the same opinion if his mother would have wanted an abortion. Shouldn't people be held accountable for their own decisions, and not be able to always take the easy way out?
willieboy1969- Why are you assuming that I'm male? Didn't you read my post?! I said men have no right to comment here!
My mother's body is her own. I am grateful for the gift of life that she gave me. I'm grateful, NOT entitled. She didn't owe me anything. Her body is not my property. I'm grateful that she brought me into this world, but she certaintly didn't have to!
I doubt you understand gratitude since you can't be thankful for something you think you deserve no matter what.
Your mother does owe you life! She shouldn't have gotten pregnant if she didn't want to have you! There are too many abortions by people making stupid decisions and not being mature enough to deal with the consequences.
Spoken like a man with no understanding of what it means to conceieve and carry life. Our mothers gift us with life. Your ingratitude and arrogance are inexcusable. Your life is not something owed to you- it is a GIFT for you to repay with gratitude, service, and love. Women are not objects that you can control. Where is your respect?!
Life is a gift, and it is a biological fact that your mother graciously bestowed that gift upon you WHEN SHE CONCEIVED YOU.
"Women are not objects that you can control," you stated, and I agree. Likewise, children - born or unborn - have a right not to be chopped to pieces, burned alive, ripped apart, etc., and the state should protect that right - the most basic right of all.
God made WOMEN and not men the people who carry and bring life forth. Therefore it's OBVIOUS (check your biology books) that our creator intended for women to be the deciders on this issue. Men have no right to comment here.
"God our creator intended for women to be the deciders on this issue. Men have no right to comment here."
You are seriously warped. There is no difference between killing a baby inside the womb than killing one outside the womb. You are advocating child murder.
Punished with a baby? Guess it's a good thing abortion wasn't legal when his mom got pregnant out of wedlock or she might have "chosen" to keep the world from its first black American president, huh! Just think how many other great Americans have been executed out of those 50 million since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision! Sad, very sad. Their blood is on the hands of our nation and unfortunately, the nation will now reap what it has sown. By the way, God's word for children . . . "blessings."
Yes, we will reap what we have sown. Social security will most definitely die b/c there will eventually be a lack of people pouring into the workforce. The entire family structure will die, thus negatively influencing crime rates, school dropouts, and children's psychological health. More mothers will be tortured by emotional pain for the rest of their lives, and eventually we will end up with an inverted population triangle like China. ONE THIRD of my generation GONE. HOW DARE THEY.
Disgusting...we've got to start protecting our innocent. Babies aren't MISTAKES. They are beautiful human beings. All babies aborted are well past the point they the are simply called a cell cluster. They ALL have beating hearts which makes in murder. This turns my stomach!!!!! A woman had a choice! Don't have sex and create a human being unless you plan on seeing it through. Too many people in the world want babies and can't have them! THANK YOU MCCAIN!
So you are saying that because pro lifers may have supported the war in Iraq, they lose any right to comment on any other human rights issue.
You use (Pro-lifers)apparent double standard about war to give you the moral pass to also be a hypocrite and allow the killing of defenseless babies justifying it by saying pro-lifers do bad things too.
How can your heart be so cold...
P.S. We Believe abortion is the greatest human rights issue ever 50,000,000 dead !!!
protect the rights of every LIVING human being. i don't want to argue this with you, have your opinion, i'll have mine, we're both right. i believe that this topic should be approached on a case to case basis, not as an overarching ideology that presents black and white scenarios. it's complicated and difficult to navigate. i'm happy the election is over, it should be an interesting 4 years
So why do they call it 'birth control'? But the left wing calls it 'pro-choice'. A choice to have a baby or not. So if you're controlling a 'birth' ... what kind of birth are you controlling? Did you think you would have a Buick? LOL! Pro-choicer's are lost. BTW: does the baby have a choice?
You have GOT to be kidding, "matureman02"!! Save more lives??? Did you not see the 50,000,000 that's 50 MILLION babies aborted in the last 35 years??? That's more than all of the deaths of soldiers in all of the WARS of our country put together!!!
Think about this from a logical perspective. If you outlaw abortions they will not cease to happen. This means they will continue to happen illegally in non medical settings i.e. basements, garages, along with people crossing the border in order to get abortions. I think this is less of a debate of whether abortion is right or wrong. This is an argument of what will save more lives total.
You are right, but it will reduce the number of abortions dramatically. Some people that choose to get an abortion, and aren't sure whether or not to get one, sometimes say: "Oh, well it's not against the law, so why not?" That is who pro-life policies will affect, which is a majority of abortionists.
I'm speechless! punished!!??? a baby is punishment!?!?
"Above my pay grade"!??
Some one needs to watch what they say!
I cannot, cannot approve of some one who believes children are punishment and that anyone should have the right to remove that "punishment" when they make a mistake.
There is a difference between abortion an a murder. After X month (I don't know exactly how much), a foetus has been so developped that he's became a real person, than, you can't do an abortion. But before those X month, the woman has the right to choose.
There is no such thing as a "real person" or an "unreal person". Historically the word person has been applied to the body of every human being, alive or dead. LOOK IT UP!
Hey, I agree 100%. I have no quarrel with any woman who takes steps to not get pregnant. But after she is pregnant, she has no moral right to kill her baby electively.
no one has to reply, but i hate obama for not being pro-life, but i just don't like mccain at all. i am PRO-LIFE ALL THE WAY! i don't care what any of you say.
Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today? NOBAMA08
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. NOBAMA08
Christiansanity. What ever happened to not mixing church and state? What happened to women's rights? Obama makes perfect sense in this video This is America and nobody should have the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Who is McCain to force a woman to endure a pregnancy and then to raise and care for a child? I think all Christian nuts should only be allowed to adopt all of the kids that are abandoned because some pro-lifer didn't want an abortion.
...McCain didnt say that adoption was going to be illegal. if you're going to have sex and not want a baby, and your dumb enough to either not wear a condom or have it rip then u should have the baby. u can put it up for adoption if you can not afford everything that a child needs...
No one is pro abortion. It is pro-choice - it's not playing God and allowing those who make those choices to answer for their own sins. I am prochoice but I would never have an abortion. BUT I WILL SAY IT AGAIN - THERE IS NO PRO ABORTION MOVEMENT - ONLY PRO CHOICE!
PROCHOICE is "PRO-MURDER" of an unborn child - it's a proven fact that a fetus has a heart beat at 10 weeks, that is an alive human being - if one decides to have an abortion, that's murder, plain and simple, whether you wouldn't have one or not - what part of that do you NOT understand - the "choice" should be do I have sex and live with the "life" that it may produce or maybe "choose" to keep my pants zipped!!! Plain and simple people!
Indykat10, either you are very naive, or you simply do not have very much factual data about the abortion industry and it's politics. I'm not trying to be nasty to you - but I guarantee that if you do more research of the 'pro-choice' movement and the 'pro-life' movement - your feelings may change.
To all of you defending Obama's abortion record. Just Google "Obama voting record". Look at the text of the legislation. Especially in Illinois, where it was quite clear what his stance was.
In addition to that he voted _against_ installing software that would block adult sites on school computers.
And he voted _against_ implementing a 1000yd buffer zone between schools and strip clubs/porn shops etc.
Barack Hussein Obama has used more than 3 time the amount of money than McCain in his campaign, the media is in a constant propaganda in his favor, as well as Hollywood, etc., still he has not been able to convince our nation. Obama will be destructive to our economy & our nation. He is a lefty liberal, he wants the same changes that Mao & Castro wanted. I am not voting for him, he is racist & he has demonstrated it during his whole campaign, so his wife, Reverend & associates. NO TO OBAMA!
And your Candidate, John Mc Cain, has been corrupted by all the big company that want to make money on your depends. That want to make money on the blood of american soldiers in Iraq. Plus, most of the money for Obama publicity comes from little people... little people like you and me, people that Obama wants to help.
Unfortunately no candidate is ever perfect. Everyone has their lists of top priorities. I'm an independent voter and I don't believe in political parties. Some of the democratic ideals I can agree with and some I'm against. The same goes for republican.
Why does Obama who is supposed to be so pro women and pro choice want to cut funding to hospitals that don't provide abortions? That doesn't seem very "pro-choice" to me. More pro-abortion. Why do my tax dollars fund abortions? Not my choice.
And if after a rape, a woman is pregnant ? If she can't have an abortion an has to stop school, never have a career, never can make her dreams comes true, because of it ?
PRO-CHOICE !
You don't have to choose for someone else, let people live their own life like they wants.
No, it is not. The word "baby" is NOT a scientific term, so science has NOTHING TO SAY about that word, "technically" or otherwise. Legitimate dictionaries DO define "fetus" as "baby", and that's the most authoratative opinion you can get.
If foetus = baby, why do we need two terms to qualify one thing ?
No, a foetus and a baby are 2 things completely differents. The first one isn't a human being, the second, yes.
And if the mother things that she cannot give to the future baby what he need to be fine, loved, and have a decent live, she has the right to stop that before it's to late.
Yeah, pretty much, at least the majority of "the people". But I'm not sure I can point to a time when the majority of our society was moral. We (as a society) have supported slavery, wars of aggression, extreme mistreatment of minorities, and many other immoral things throughout our history. Today is no different, except that we have picked a new target for our "discrimination", unborn babies.
The importance of this issue is constantly undervalued by the "pro choice" supporters. They can't understand why it means so much -because they won't acknowledge that a baby exists at conception. If there were babies being taken out of homes every day to be shot - would that be worth voting against? Would it be the biggest political issue for you then?
We see babies being murdered for convenience. We vote against it. We have to.
I am pro-choice and I can respect your position. However I can't understand if life is so important to you why it's then OK to vote for a candidate who will deny health insurance to children, who will make victims of rape pay for the rape kit which is part of the investigation, who advocates US involvement in a total of 4 wars, who will cut school funding, etc. In other words why does the whole "culture of life" thing seem to end after birth?
I guess that's where the conversation ends. You'd force a rape victim's introduction to motherhood to be a continued experience of violation. In your view the fetus is sacred, but the mother isn't.
Motherhood is an awesome & wonderous responsibility entrusted to women. Like it or not, we come out of our mother's bodies. That isn't a mistake on the part of creation. You can't "save" the baby when you kill the mother's spirit in the process. Stop trying to take women out of God's equation.
mutube108, your view is very common among the liberals like Obama. You said nothing that I havent heard before. Rape is wrong. However, killing the innocent baby would make it worse for woman. In the US there are lines of people, who want to adopt. This country doesnt have orphanages. One crime(rape) should not lead into another crime (murder).She could abort her last and the only child. Baby is not responsible for something that his fathers did and should not pay with his life for it.
hi protivabortov, i don't think you heard my point. i'm saying that when you pit the woman against the fetus you've gone against God.
thought i should point out that there are in fact tons of unwanted and neglected children here in the US. I work with/for them, and the need is grossly underserved.
Also, please don't put a label on me (liberal) as a way of dismissing me. I respect both liberal and conservative views and am interested in finding common ground. best wishes to you...
mutube: No one can "kill" anyone's spirit. And what does "God's equation" have to do with the elective killing of innocent human beings? Do you propose that we all be allowed to kill innocent human beings for whatever reason we come up with?
Religious love means having no enemies. It means being able to "walk a mile in someone else's shoes." I was simply responding to the thinly concealed contempt towards women in some of the comments here. "God's equation" does not involve villifying anyone. Anger is like a drug, it is not part of the clear, loving mind of God. Using anger to "fight for life" neither makes sense, nor does it respect life, nor will it produce life.
Prolifers have no enemies. Unborn babies are the ones who have enemies, those who kill them are their enemies. We are simply the allies of the babies. And there certainly is such a thing as "righteous anger" where the elective killing of unborn babies is concerned. Anyone who is not "angry" about the slaughter of innocent human beings is not concerned with morality at all, IMO.
mutube: How does making personal smears against prolifers help make your case to justify killing babies? Do our personal shortcomings make babies less deserving of life? Why continue these personal attacks?
No one's making "personal smears." I'm simply asking why the majority (not all) of pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty, pro-premptive attacks, anti-universal health care, etc. This is such a HUGE contradiction that it undermines the whole pro-life argument for me.
Anyhow, if we disagree on this issue (as we do), let's do so with a sincere regard for each other's humanity. Best wishes to you.
Yes, you are making personal smears against prolifers as a substitute for debating the abortion issue itself. Capital punishment is in no way related to abortion, and in fact many prolifers are against it also. One can oppose the elective killing of unborn babies quite apart from any other issue, and you are simply dodging the morality question.
No, sorry, you've got it wrong. I'm simply applying the pro-life argument to all of life. What, life is sacred to you until you can see it and then compassion isn't a morality issue anymore? Um, ok.
There is NO "prolife argument" that relates to capital punishment. "Pro-life" means that one opposes the legality of elective abortion, PERIOD. Look it up if you don't believe me, I tried to post linked definitions here but they aren't allowed.
There is a huge difference between abortion and all the other things stated here. An unborn child has done nothing wrong. The death penalty is for those who have beyond a shadow of a doubt committed heinous acts. Preemptive attacks are used in order to protect life, such as the nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And universal health care does not make everything better. It clogs the system, and diminishes services/results.
Just for the record. Nuke bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't necessary. Japan was ready to sign a redition. And after the first bomb, all the ambassadors JP were beggin for peace... but no, they were 2 types of bombs... and US HQ wanted to know wich one was the most destructive. v_v
Why does anyone in this country want to vote for someone who thinks a question is "above his pay grade"? It wasn't a complicated question.
Those of us who are pro life know at our core that a fetus is a baby. We don't have to be told by religious leaders or scientists. I've heard the heart beat- I've seen the ultrasounds - I Know what human life is.
Bottom line is - when you know that - nothing else matters. I and others like me believe that babies are being murdered for convenience.
It makes me sick that Pregnancy is portayed as a disease in this day and age. The fact is, no matter how much you prepare, you are never truly ready for a baby. But to label a baby ss a "punishment" as Barack Obama said, that is upsetting.
We existed as Spirits before we came here to receive a physical body and be tested. When someone chooses to abort a fetus,(or baby), we are denying another's opportunity for life. We will be accountable for that on levels we can't understand at this time. Just because we choose not to believe something, doesn't make it 'not true'... Our time here is finite... we WILL understand all of this someday... This is not a 'free for all'...
I have to admit that, after 30 years of being bombarded with this same argument to elect conservatives to office, I can't understand why none of them have ever done anything to reverse Roe V. Wade. George W. Bush was placed into office in 2000 by the Supreme Court and for 6 years Conservatives held majorities in the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Supreme Court as well as holding the Presidency and they did NOTHING about abortion. Nothing. That's a fact. Irrefutible.
Not sure what you mean. My point is that it is a non issue. God gave the power to preserve a baby's life to the mother of that baby. It would be a human rights violation beyond words for the government to try to make someone do something with their body. So what happens if RvW is reversed--every miscarriage is a possible homicide? It's stupid and unenforcable. God knows what he's doing. Let him be God. If a woman has an abortion, she will answer to him.
Yes but we will all answer to God on judgement day, and I don't want to have to account for supporting a candidate that will remove all restrictions on abortion, maybe we should just say it is not illegal to murder anymore cause that murderer will have to give account to God, well that's crazy if you ask me we are reponsible to vote for people who will support laws that are in the best interest of the people, and that includes the unborn, partially, born and accidently born!!!
Somehow this appeared in my email as a reply to my comment even though on here it appears random. Please answer this question... "How will you enforce this anti-abortion law?" A law that is unenforcable is no law at all. That's all I'm saying. God gave no way to enforce what a woman does to her own body. So please stop seeing it as if the baby (while inside the woman) is seperate from the woman. Do what Jesus does and fight poverty and ignorance and you will help eliminate abortion.
Point taken, and I agree that it is important to fight poverty and ignorance and am envolved in a few endevors to help accomplish this goal, I say that not to boast but just so that you will know I don't just sit at home and complain about what's wrong with the world, but in my previous comment I specificaly mentioned that includes the partially, born and accidently born!!! since abortion is already legal Obama wants to make it so there are almost no restrections at all, it must end somewhere!
Your comments about Obama's policy are incorrect. Check his policy position and you'll find he does NOT support late term abortions and is FOR concerted efforts to greatly reduce the # of unwanted pregnancies.
You know a man by his works. Everything he has done as a senetor has supported all forms of abortion including late-term. Watch the video again, do some research and leave the Obama cult.
Well, I'm going on his statement that the first thing he will do as President is sign the freedom of choice act, so if you say that he is against late term abortions I would just say that is another area where he has been very inconssitent, think about this if I see a woman who is 8 months pragnient, run up & punch her in the stomach as hard as I can people would say I was a psyco and killed her babie, whoever if she chooses a partial birth abortion people says it's her right?
You're getting bad information. Your understanding of Obama's positions and what he believes as a Christian and what he said he would do as his first order of business in office are all simply wrong. This is the problem of discourse in the world today. I know you are hearing these things from what you believe are reputable sources, but they are not. Please use common sense. And might I suggest you even pray for God to show you the truth. UR b-n manipulated 4 votes.
Well I understand what your getting at the problem is that is really hard to figure out what is a reputable source, and you are right that prayer is very important in the process, I just feel really uneasy about Obama cause he seems like a wild card and it's really difficult to know what he will actualy do if he is elected!
I don't think it's so hard to see what Obama will do when he's elected. His temperment seems steady, calm, moral, and reasoned. McCain's desire for two more wars, his serious anger issues, his role in the Savings & Loans scandal- for me, McCain feels like a wild card. Sometimes McCain seems trustworthy to me, at other times he seems drunk on anger, and at others he seems confused. He's also run too negative of a campaign for me. I like him as a person, but he's too erratic to get my vote.
Well that's pobably cause you like Obama, but let's be honest he is inconsistent and often vague in his answers, people tell me that the clips in this video don't accurately represent his view of abortion, but that's the problem, he made those statements, if he has made other statements, and those statements dont match his voting record then to me he sounds like he is trying to tell people what they want to hear so he can get elected and then do what ever he pleases, at least Mcain is consistent
I love how you say, "Please use common sense" in one sentence and "Pray for god to show you the truth" in the very next. Talk about needing some common sense. "Please Jesus, guide my fingers over the keyboard of my computer and enable them to find reputable information on abortion, thanks Jesus" Yeah everything that happens in this fucking world is because of a cosmic carpenter in the clouds. Moron.
How were antiabortion laws enforced before Roe? But if you really don't think they can be enforced, then what's your problem? Why would an ineffective law bother you at all?
Because it would cause every miscarriage to be investigated as a potential homicide. I personally know a number of women who have suffered miscarriages numerous times. They were devastated. If they further had to go through a murder investigation--it would be insane. How do you know if a woman did something to miscarry or not? Investigate her body, subject her to questioning. How do you know if she's telling the truth? Seriously. Think about the ramifications. Ur heart's right.Ur method's wrong.
No, overturning Roe would not cause any miscarriages to be investigated. No sane person in law enforcement would even suggest such a thing. Only when an abortionist was paid to kill a baby would an investigation be appropriate. There are no "miscarriage police", and no sane person is suggesting them. And only prochoice people even bring that up.
It's really quite simple. I agree that our politicians haven't done enough to protect unborn babies, but how does that make killing them right? So IMO it IS a moral issue.
God gave all of us the power to kill others, does that mean we should kill indiscriminately? As for "human rights violation", what about the slaughter of the innocent babies?
If a serial killer kills kids, should we not arrest him, and just trust that God will punish him?
In this last argument, your passion has eclipsed your reasoning and logic. Seriously, no one wants to kill babies. No one. Woman have abortions when they don't see or have reasonable options. Shame, stigma (much brought on by our own Christian moralizing), poverty, ignorance, and lack of birth control education, etc. The work fighting these societal issues is the only real "anti-abortion" work going on. Most Anti-abortionist only care about babies until they're born.
TRLocke, how exactly can you read the mind of every woman who has an abortion? Did you read about the woman at Yale who made an "art exhibit" of her dozens of abortions?
And any option is more reasonable than electively killing an innocent baby. How can you call that "reasonable"? And what does it help your cause to make personal attacks on prolifers anyway? Does making personal smears against us justify killing babies?
They didn't do "nothing" Bush tried to overturn it but the Congress couldn't pass it. Just because Republicans had the majority in Congress doesn't necessarily mean that all of them are going to vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
OK Spindoctor, but Obama never said that. It's one thing to disagree with other people. It's another thing to twist their words.
If you expect to be heard, be passionate sure, but don't lie. (Or repeat other people's lies without first checking your facts.)
Sorry, if I'm being a bit harsh. (Maybe someone lied to you.) I just have a hard time practicing patience when I encounter obvious deception. Obama is family centered & pro-choice & for a massive effort to prevent unwanted pregnacies.
The only way to prevent unwanted pregnancies that is moral is to stop having unprotected sex. So it is moral to kill a baby huh. read the definition of moral before you start talking about morality.
On your first point, yes, reducing unprotected sex is the moral way to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
We agree on something! :)
I don't believe a zygote or early-term fetus is a baby, so I don't believe that abortion is murder. (I am against late term abortions, except in the rare cases where doing so is the only way to save the mother's life.) I don't believe killing is moral in most cases. I don't support the death penalty, I am a vegetarian, and I work to prevent war and violence.
To be pro-life is to be anti-woman. Why do people care SO MUCH about something that isn't born yet, while at the same time, once the baby is born, they offer no support to the mother. They expect the mother to support and raise the child on their own, all while judging her for being "dumb enough" to get knocked up in the first place.
What a strange, strange comment. All women start out as female unborn babies, and you who want to see them killed as babies say we are "anti-woman"? How very, very strange.
Being pro-choice does NOT mean that you take abortion lightly or that you "want" abortions to happen. It means that you recognize the complexity of the issues involved with abortion. It means that no matter how religious you are (religion is the center of my life) you are not arrogant enough (don't all religions preach humility?) to just dismiss other people's religions. All religions believe life is sacred, but different religions have different opinions on when life begins and what life is.
I disagree. On moral, ethical, practical, religious, and compassionate grounds, I disagree. My pro-choice position is based on a profound respect for life. I don't expect you to understand, but it is BECAUSE I honor life that I am pro-choices.
Wrong. Most religions take up the religious questions of who am I? and what is life? This is an attempt (I think more accurate then science when answered by the saints and sages and not fear-based religious beliefs) to specify what life is.
The only religions that call their holy books "bibles" are Christian religions. However to answer you question, the bible, torah, koran, the sutras, the upshandas, etc., all attempt to answer the questions, "Who am I?" "What is life?" "What is God (or truth or reality)?" So, every religious text is an attempt to "specify" life.
Forget religion when you are talking about when "life begins", that's a scientific question. "Life" began millions of years ago, and is a continuum to this day. Each new life begins anew as the union of egg and sperm, which are both alive. So "life" does not begin with each person, only the existence of a new human being, at fertilization begins.
Actually, it is about killing. It is about killing babies. As far as being better off "not born" (killed in the womb), you're entitled to your opinion. But no one has the moral right to take an innocent human life based on their "opinion". That is barbaric, immoral, and hedonistic.
The day will come when our grandchildren will look back at the people of the late 1900's and early 2000's and view the established American policy of abortion with tremendous scorn. Much like we disdain the accepted practice of slavery of earlier Americans, and ask ourselves, "What were they thinking?" ... our grandchildren will look back at US and say, "How could they have been so barbaric? What were they thinking?" And the justices who overturn Roe will be viewed as heroes, like Wilberforce.
I'm sorry, but a fetus is not a baby. A fetus is a beautiful potential for a new life, but it is not a baby. If it was a baby it would be able to survive outside of the woman who carries it. I don't understand how you can have so much so called "compassion" for a beautiful potential, but turn such a cold eye on everyone else (including women). There is violence in your desire to pit women and fetuses against each other. Can you find a position that respects and equally values all of life?
No, thank God my mother and father wanted and loved me. Thank God my mother was/is loved and respected. Thank God her body wasn't a war zone. Thank God she CHOSE to have me. Thank God I was born to a strong and loving mother who has a sense of herself.
I love my mother too much to wish that she had me no matter what. If my existence would have caused my mother incredible suffering then I would NOT want her to feel forced to have me. Sorry, but I don't love myself more than I love my mother.
I tried to post the definition of "baby" from an online dictionary, but it looks like it's not going to be allowed to post. So, look it up yourself, before you manufacure your made up definitons and post them here.
Abortion is the opening of a woman's womb to kill an innocent baby. A person choosing to fight for something (voluntary military) or choosing to commit crimes and being punished are issues regarding grown people with choices. Abortion involves a baby that has no choice. The right choice for that baby is life. Women deserve better than to be subjected to choosing abortion. Everyone should support a woman's choice for life.
I will vote for life, which means voting for Obama. McCain wants to start two new wars while our keeping troops fighting the two wars we're already involved in. I don't understand how anyone who says they are for a "culture of life" can expect to be taken seriously when they are pro-war, pro-death penalty, when they think it's OK to use hate speech against those who are different then them. Christ taught that we practice loving-kindness and humility. This is what it means to "choose life."
um first of all, our soldiers choose to serve and they know the risks when they sign up. and second, the death penalty is for criminals who have done crimes and they deserve capital punishment. Unborn babies are killed because the woman made stupid decisions and takes the easy way out in life.
im talking about when Obama said he doesnt want his kids to be punished with kids. and when i did ever say anything about rape? Usually girls get pregnant because they're stupid and make irrational choices.
2 incestial basterds of satan.
AnnAAngel1564 8 months ago
A woman has the right to choose to have a baby or not! No one should force a woman to have a baby! The only problem is that once a women finds herself pregnant, she already has a baby! A woman does not have a right to kill her baby and that is exactly what abortion does, kills a baby. You dont want a baby? Don't get pregnant!
bdcsnowman 1 year ago
The child in the Womb is alive, yes? Well then if alive then a person, and the mother is only feeding and caring and protecting that Precious growing baby in her womb. That is what a womb is for!! Why else to women have them?? *Ahem*
So... And what about the Father? his seed made this life possible. and the womens nazi's want you to forget about him so they can make a stronger argument not to mention many of the founders of the modern womens 'rights' were and are men haters.
ighforever 2 years ago
Barack Obama is a baby killer...
DeanClark68 2 years ago
obama will go down in history as the worst president and the biggest mistake this country has ever made.
Stupid fucking muslim, socialist event coordinator from Kenya.
This Fucking ASSHOLE has to go. Vote him out in 2012!! Let's just hope we can undo some of his damage after he's gone.
alexl1001 2 years ago
He sure stumbles alot when someone asks him potentially incriminating.
I have enacted legislation at my college that replaces all information pamphlets from Planned Parenthood regarding HIV/AIDS and other STDs with infro on services provided by non-abortion practicing groups like Catholic Charities.
freakylocz14 2 years ago
all i have to say is.
100% of people who support abortion are already born.
nataliefersuree 3 years ago
scientific fact a jew is a human and life begins at conception.
the mother should die for her baby.
embryo teenager adolescent elderly ect.
companionprayer 3 years ago
This just in:
Planned Parenthood = ABORTION
Earlier tonight, ABC brought us shocking news of abortion gift certificates for Christmas! If you actually watched the whole news item, you learned that what they really meant was Planned Parenthood gift certificates which could be used for all sorts of things (such as health services). Someone sent in a witty comment that you get guns and ammo with a Christmas gift certificate from Wal-Mart.
ABC, bastion of journalistic integrity - and logic!
MagnesianPhoenix 3 years ago
There is no ghost god you wacko's
loretus 3 years ago
Believe me I know about respect for women being that I'm a 17 year old FEMALE!! If a woman doesn't want to conceive then she shouldn't have sex.But once she's made that decision she has to be willing to deal with the consequences. If she doesn't want to take care of the baby then give it up for adoption but don't murder it!
mslobodnik 3 years ago
Just b/c you're a woman sadly doesn't mean that you respect women. Just take Sarah Palin for an example of that.
Also, sex isn't just for making babies- it's also for joy, human connection, and an expression of love.
mutube108 3 years ago
Oh, I see, so it's ALWAYS a woman's fault for getting pregnant? No exceptions. (Coughrapecough.) Then I have something you'll really like: fundamentalist Muslims! You guys have so much in common!
MagnesianPhoenix 3 years ago
think about it.
millions of babies die every day for abortion.
and im going to guess about 5-10% of them are for rape.
nataliefersuree 3 years ago
Actually I believe the official statistics are less than 1% for rape.
ProLifeVideos 3 years ago
I wonder if he would have the same opinion if his mother would have wanted an abortion. Shouldn't people be held accountable for their own decisions, and not be able to always take the easy way out?
willieboy1969 3 years ago
willieboy1969- Why are you assuming that I'm male? Didn't you read my post?! I said men have no right to comment here!
My mother's body is her own. I am grateful for the gift of life that she gave me. I'm grateful, NOT entitled. She didn't owe me anything. Her body is not my property. I'm grateful that she brought me into this world, but she certaintly didn't have to!
I doubt you understand gratitude since you can't be thankful for something you think you deserve no matter what.
mutube108 3 years ago
Your mother does owe you life! She shouldn't have gotten pregnant if she didn't want to have you! There are too many abortions by people making stupid decisions and not being mature enough to deal with the consequences.
mslobodnik 3 years ago
Spoken like a man with no understanding of what it means to conceieve and carry life. Our mothers gift us with life. Your ingratitude and arrogance are inexcusable. Your life is not something owed to you- it is a GIFT for you to repay with gratitude, service, and love. Women are not objects that you can control. Where is your respect?!
mutube108 3 years ago
Life is a gift, and it is a biological fact that your mother graciously bestowed that gift upon you WHEN SHE CONCEIVED YOU.
"Women are not objects that you can control," you stated, and I agree. Likewise, children - born or unborn - have a right not to be chopped to pieces, burned alive, ripped apart, etc., and the state should protect that right - the most basic right of all.
FoneBone2001 3 years ago
My comment had nothing to do with you...My comment was about Obama.
willieboy1969 3 years ago
God made WOMEN and not men the people who carry and bring life forth. Therefore it's OBVIOUS (check your biology books) that our creator intended for women to be the deciders on this issue. Men have no right to comment here.
mutube108 3 years ago
"God our creator intended for women to be the deciders on this issue. Men have no right to comment here."
You are seriously warped. There is no difference between killing a baby inside the womb than killing one outside the womb. You are advocating child murder.
AmericasChoiceNow 3 years ago
Punished with a baby? Guess it's a good thing abortion wasn't legal when his mom got pregnant out of wedlock or she might have "chosen" to keep the world from its first black American president, huh! Just think how many other great Americans have been executed out of those 50 million since the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision! Sad, very sad. Their blood is on the hands of our nation and unfortunately, the nation will now reap what it has sown. By the way, God's word for children . . . "blessings."
Vapsey 3 years ago
Yes, we will reap what we have sown. Social security will most definitely die b/c there will eventually be a lack of people pouring into the workforce. The entire family structure will die, thus negatively influencing crime rates, school dropouts, and children's psychological health. More mothers will be tortured by emotional pain for the rest of their lives, and eventually we will end up with an inverted population triangle like China. ONE THIRD of my generation GONE. HOW DARE THEY.
DuchessAliana 3 years ago
Disgusting...we've got to start protecting our innocent. Babies aren't MISTAKES. They are beautiful human beings. All babies aborted are well past the point they the are simply called a cell cluster. They ALL have beating hearts which makes in murder. This turns my stomach!!!!! A woman had a choice! Don't have sex and create a human being unless you plan on seeing it through. Too many people in the world want babies and can't have them! THANK YOU MCCAIN!
alars7 3 years ago
Amen Amen that is just horrible of barrak he says he wouldnt want his daughters punished for the baby at 1:17 thats just plain sick.
I AM AND FOREVER WILL BE PROLIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ive been to the march for life seen the pictures of aborted babies it makes you sick.
Ladypendy2012 3 years ago
hey pit2689, does a human fetus continue growing to become a pig! don't think so.. educated yourself..
mrf422 3 years ago
giant distraction to real issues. if you don't like abortions, don't have one.
seamless garment. pro-life = anti-war. how many pro-lifer's will help stop this war? minority at best
evenjesuspooped 3 years ago
So you are saying that because pro lifers may have supported the war in Iraq, they lose any right to comment on any other human rights issue.
You use (Pro-lifers)apparent double standard about war to give you the moral pass to also be a hypocrite and allow the killing of defenseless babies justifying it by saying pro-lifers do bad things too.
How can your heart be so cold...
P.S. We Believe abortion is the greatest human rights issue ever 50,000,000 dead !!!
Lionsonfire 3 years ago
protect the rights of every LIVING human being. i don't want to argue this with you, have your opinion, i'll have mine, we're both right. i believe that this topic should be approached on a case to case basis, not as an overarching ideology that presents black and white scenarios. it's complicated and difficult to navigate. i'm happy the election is over, it should be an interesting 4 years
evenjesuspooped 3 years ago
So why do they call it 'birth control'? But the left wing calls it 'pro-choice'. A choice to have a baby or not. So if you're controlling a 'birth' ... what kind of birth are you controlling? Did you think you would have a Buick? LOL! Pro-choicer's are lost. BTW: does the baby have a choice?
dave0mary 3 years ago
You have GOT to be kidding, "matureman02"!! Save more lives??? Did you not see the 50,000,000 that's 50 MILLION babies aborted in the last 35 years??? That's more than all of the deaths of soldiers in all of the WARS of our country put together!!!
TenaciousWarrior777 3 years ago
Think about this from a logical perspective. If you outlaw abortions they will not cease to happen. This means they will continue to happen illegally in non medical settings i.e. basements, garages, along with people crossing the border in order to get abortions. I think this is less of a debate of whether abortion is right or wrong. This is an argument of what will save more lives total.
matureman02 3 years ago
You are right, but it will reduce the number of abortions dramatically. Some people that choose to get an abortion, and aren't sure whether or not to get one, sometimes say: "Oh, well it's not against the law, so why not?" That is who pro-life policies will affect, which is a majority of abortionists.
Zasany 3 years ago
"I don't want them punished with a baby"
I'm speechless! punished!!??? a baby is punishment!?!?
"Above my pay grade"!??
Some one needs to watch what they say!
I cannot, cannot approve of some one who believes children are punishment and that anyone should have the right to remove that "punishment" when they make a mistake.
LifeofMel 3 years ago
Pro-Liberty.
I think a woman has the right to choose if she want a baby or not.
Being a single mother now, it's so difficult.
pit2689 3 years ago
So would you kill your child now if it was legal???
ProLifeVideos 3 years ago
There is a difference between abortion an a murder. After X month (I don't know exactly how much), a foetus has been so developped that he's became a real person, than, you can't do an abortion. But before those X month, the woman has the right to choose.
pit2689 3 years ago
There is no such thing as a "real person" or an "unreal person". Historically the word person has been applied to the body of every human being, alive or dead. LOOK IT UP!
yodavater 3 years ago
There is no difference between abortion and murder.
Zasany 3 years ago
Hey, I agree 100%. I have no quarrel with any woman who takes steps to not get pregnant. But after she is pregnant, she has no moral right to kill her baby electively.
yodavater 3 years ago
Is this REALLY what you are voting about???? Dude. Thirty years of the status quo seems to be fine. Vote to save the country from debt!!!
dmaxwe11 3 years ago
Thirty five years of murder can never be ok.
AmericasChoiceNow 3 years ago
This is what I would be voting about if I was old enough.
Zasany 3 years ago
no one has to reply, but i hate obama for not being pro-life, but i just don't like mccain at all. i am PRO-LIFE ALL THE WAY! i don't care what any of you say.
samuelabaker 3 years ago
PRO-LIFE!! Why would anyone be so selfish as to kill a baby??! GO PRO!
keeter15 3 years ago
Did you know that the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margaret Sanger, was a devout racist who created the Negro Project designed to sterilize unknowing black women and others she deemed as undesirables of society? The founder of Planned Parenthood said, "Colored people are like human weeds and are to be exterminated." Is her vision being fulfilled today? NOBAMA08
obama4abortion 3 years ago
Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant. NOBAMA08
obama4abortion 3 years ago
I'm pro beating babies with hammers.
DirtyRottenInsult 3 years ago
PUNISHED WITH A BABY!! what a b***
PLEASE KILL THIS MAN
101xox101 3 years ago
101xox101 - May God forgive you.
mutube108 3 years ago
God has nothing to do with this. Stop always call him to rescue your old candidate.
pit2689 3 years ago
Christiansanity. What ever happened to not mixing church and state? What happened to women's rights? Obama makes perfect sense in this video This is America and nobody should have the right to tell a woman what she can and can't do with her body. Who is McCain to force a woman to endure a pregnancy and then to raise and care for a child? I think all Christian nuts should only be allowed to adopt all of the kids that are abandoned because some pro-lifer didn't want an abortion.
analsweat 3 years ago
...McCain didnt say that adoption was going to be illegal. if you're going to have sex and not want a baby, and your dumb enough to either not wear a condom or have it rip then u should have the baby. u can put it up for adoption if you can not afford everything that a child needs...
djh1991 3 years ago
No one is pro abortion. It is pro-choice - it's not playing God and allowing those who make those choices to answer for their own sins. I am prochoice but I would never have an abortion. BUT I WILL SAY IT AGAIN - THERE IS NO PRO ABORTION MOVEMENT - ONLY PRO CHOICE!
Indykat10 3 years ago
PROCHOICE is "PRO-MURDER" of an unborn child - it's a proven fact that a fetus has a heart beat at 10 weeks, that is an alive human being - if one decides to have an abortion, that's murder, plain and simple, whether you wouldn't have one or not - what part of that do you NOT understand - the "choice" should be do I have sex and live with the "life" that it may produce or maybe "choose" to keep my pants zipped!!! Plain and simple people!
pnickel17 3 years ago
Plus
he voted against it 4 times
that if someone lives abortion
that they should have medical care
HE VOTED AGAINST IT!
101xox101 3 years ago
so what if someone gets an abortion in one day, or maybe one week, or what about 9 weeks 6 days?
tebnayr 3 years ago
Indykat10, either you are very naive, or you simply do not have very much factual data about the abortion industry and it's politics. I'm not trying to be nasty to you - but I guarantee that if you do more research of the 'pro-choice' movement and the 'pro-life' movement - your feelings may change.
Tony
agm1111 3 years ago
"Pro-abortion" and "Pro-choice" mean EXACTLY the same thing.... LOOK IT UP! (I have tried to post linked definitons here, but they are not allowed).
yodavater 3 years ago
To all of you defending Obama's abortion record. Just Google "Obama voting record". Look at the text of the legislation. Especially in Illinois, where it was quite clear what his stance was.
In addition to that he voted _against_ installing software that would block adult sites on school computers.
And he voted _against_ implementing a 1000yd buffer zone between schools and strip clubs/porn shops etc.
TxsAggie96 3 years ago
Barack Hussein Obama has used more than 3 time the amount of money than McCain in his campaign, the media is in a constant propaganda in his favor, as well as Hollywood, etc., still he has not been able to convince our nation. Obama will be destructive to our economy & our nation. He is a lefty liberal, he wants the same changes that Mao & Castro wanted. I am not voting for him, he is racist & he has demonstrated it during his whole campaign, so his wife, Reverend & associates. NO TO OBAMA!
Politeama 3 years ago
I think "the lady protests too much." Politeamma, you're the one who sounds like a racist.
mutube108 3 years ago
And your Candidate, John Mc Cain, has been corrupted by all the big company that want to make money on your depends. That want to make money on the blood of american soldiers in Iraq. Plus, most of the money for Obama publicity comes from little people... little people like you and me, people that Obama wants to help.
pit2689 3 years ago
Unfortunately no candidate is ever perfect. Everyone has their lists of top priorities. I'm an independent voter and I don't believe in political parties. Some of the democratic ideals I can agree with and some I'm against. The same goes for republican.
Why does Obama who is supposed to be so pro women and pro choice want to cut funding to hospitals that don't provide abortions? That doesn't seem very "pro-choice" to me. More pro-abortion. Why do my tax dollars fund abortions? Not my choice.
maebe40 3 years ago
children are never a punishment...they are a blessing from God and should be cherished, not condemed.
batgirlbluecrabs 3 years ago
she's right. and beautiful. i love this girl =]
djh1991 3 years ago
And if after a rape, a woman is pregnant ? If she can't have an abortion an has to stop school, never have a career, never can make her dreams comes true, because of it ?
PRO-CHOICE !
You don't have to choose for someone else, let people live their own life like they wants.
pit2689 3 years ago
I would love to "let people live their own life like they wants", if ONLY they would not keep on KILLING BABIES.
yodavater 3 years ago
Technicly, a foetus is not a baby yet. That's a scientific fact.
pit2689 3 years ago
No, it is not. The word "baby" is NOT a scientific term, so science has NOTHING TO SAY about that word, "technically" or otherwise. Legitimate dictionaries DO define "fetus" as "baby", and that's the most authoratative opinion you can get.
yodavater 3 years ago
If foetus = baby, why do we need two terms to qualify one thing ?
No, a foetus and a baby are 2 things completely differents. The first one isn't a human being, the second, yes.
And if the mother things that she cannot give to the future baby what he need to be fine, loved, and have a decent live, she has the right to stop that before it's to late.
pit2689 3 years ago
"Need"? Why do we "need" boy, lad, juvinile, pre-teen, youngster, kid, etc, etc??? It is idiotic to think that we limit ourselves to ONE label!!
"Human being" is our species classification, so you are claiming that we are of ANOTHER SPECIES before birth!
She has the LEGAL right to kill her unborn baby, yes. Legality is NOT morality, however.
yodavater 3 years ago
When the law ceases to be moral then the people have ceased to be moral.
Lionsonfire 3 years ago
Yeah, pretty much, at least the majority of "the people". But I'm not sure I can point to a time when the majority of our society was moral. We (as a society) have supported slavery, wars of aggression, extreme mistreatment of minorities, and many other immoral things throughout our history. Today is no different, except that we have picked a new target for our "discrimination", unborn babies.
yodavater 3 years ago
Which (or whose) "dreams" are worth more than the life of an innocent human being? Do you value life so cheaply?
yodavater 3 years ago
The importance of this issue is constantly undervalued by the "pro choice" supporters. They can't understand why it means so much -because they won't acknowledge that a baby exists at conception. If there were babies being taken out of homes every day to be shot - would that be worth voting against? Would it be the biggest political issue for you then?
We see babies being murdered for convenience. We vote against it. We have to.
maebe40 3 years ago
I am pro-choice and I can respect your position. However I can't understand if life is so important to you why it's then OK to vote for a candidate who will deny health insurance to children, who will make victims of rape pay for the rape kit which is part of the investigation, who advocates US involvement in a total of 4 wars, who will cut school funding, etc. In other words why does the whole "culture of life" thing seem to end after birth?
mutube108 3 years ago 2
rape kit includes abortion pill. that's why. no baby should lose life because of something that his father did.
protivabortov 3 years ago
I guess that's where the conversation ends. You'd force a rape victim's introduction to motherhood to be a continued experience of violation. In your view the fetus is sacred, but the mother isn't.
Motherhood is an awesome & wonderous responsibility entrusted to women. Like it or not, we come out of our mother's bodies. That isn't a mistake on the part of creation. You can't "save" the baby when you kill the mother's spirit in the process. Stop trying to take women out of God's equation.
mutube108 3 years ago 2
mutube108, your view is very common among the liberals like Obama. You said nothing that I havent heard before. Rape is wrong. However, killing the innocent baby would make it worse for woman. In the US there are lines of people, who want to adopt. This country doesnt have orphanages. One crime(rape) should not lead into another crime (murder).She could abort her last and the only child. Baby is not responsible for something that his fathers did and should not pay with his life for it.
protivabortov 3 years ago
hi protivabortov, i don't think you heard my point. i'm saying that when you pit the woman against the fetus you've gone against God.
thought i should point out that there are in fact tons of unwanted and neglected children here in the US. I work with/for them, and the need is grossly underserved.
Also, please don't put a label on me (liberal) as a way of dismissing me. I respect both liberal and conservative views and am interested in finding common ground. best wishes to you...
mutube108 3 years ago
mutube108, I work with with wiman who had abortions. You should look at their their pain while looking for a "common ground".
protivabortov 3 years ago 2
mutube: No one can "kill" anyone's spirit. And what does "God's equation" have to do with the elective killing of innocent human beings? Do you propose that we all be allowed to kill innocent human beings for whatever reason we come up with?
yodavater 3 years ago
Religious love means having no enemies. It means being able to "walk a mile in someone else's shoes." I was simply responding to the thinly concealed contempt towards women in some of the comments here. "God's equation" does not involve villifying anyone. Anger is like a drug, it is not part of the clear, loving mind of God. Using anger to "fight for life" neither makes sense, nor does it respect life, nor will it produce life.
mutube108 3 years ago
Prolifers have no enemies. Unborn babies are the ones who have enemies, those who kill them are their enemies. We are simply the allies of the babies. And there certainly is such a thing as "righteous anger" where the elective killing of unborn babies is concerned. Anyone who is not "angry" about the slaughter of innocent human beings is not concerned with morality at all, IMO.
yodavater 3 years ago
You're nuts.
analsweat 3 years ago
mutube: How does making personal smears against prolifers help make your case to justify killing babies? Do our personal shortcomings make babies less deserving of life? Why continue these personal attacks?
yodavater 3 years ago
No one's making "personal smears." I'm simply asking why the majority (not all) of pro-lifers are also pro-death penalty, pro-premptive attacks, anti-universal health care, etc. This is such a HUGE contradiction that it undermines the whole pro-life argument for me.
Anyhow, if we disagree on this issue (as we do), let's do so with a sincere regard for each other's humanity. Best wishes to you.
mutube108 3 years ago
Yes, you are making personal smears against prolifers as a substitute for debating the abortion issue itself. Capital punishment is in no way related to abortion, and in fact many prolifers are against it also. One can oppose the elective killing of unborn babies quite apart from any other issue, and you are simply dodging the morality question.
yodavater 3 years ago
No, sorry, you've got it wrong. I'm simply applying the pro-life argument to all of life. What, life is sacred to you until you can see it and then compassion isn't a morality issue anymore? Um, ok.
mutube108 3 years ago
There is NO "prolife argument" that relates to capital punishment. "Pro-life" means that one opposes the legality of elective abortion, PERIOD. Look it up if you don't believe me, I tried to post linked definitions here but they aren't allowed.
yodavater 3 years ago
There is a huge difference between abortion and all the other things stated here. An unborn child has done nothing wrong. The death penalty is for those who have beyond a shadow of a doubt committed heinous acts. Preemptive attacks are used in order to protect life, such as the nukes dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. And universal health care does not make everything better. It clogs the system, and diminishes services/results.
bohmfalk 3 years ago
Just for the record. Nuke bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki weren't necessary. Japan was ready to sign a redition. And after the first bomb, all the ambassadors JP were beggin for peace... but no, they were 2 types of bombs... and US HQ wanted to know wich one was the most destructive. v_v
pit2689 3 years ago
Why does anyone in this country want to vote for someone who thinks a question is "above his pay grade"? It wasn't a complicated question.
Those of us who are pro life know at our core that a fetus is a baby. We don't have to be told by religious leaders or scientists. I've heard the heart beat- I've seen the ultrasounds - I Know what human life is.
Bottom line is - when you know that - nothing else matters. I and others like me believe that babies are being murdered for convenience.
maebe40 3 years ago
Happy to see Alan Keyes in there! That's who I'm voting for!
minimidgy 3 years ago
It makes me sick that Pregnancy is portayed as a disease in this day and age. The fact is, no matter how much you prepare, you are never truly ready for a baby. But to label a baby ss a "punishment" as Barack Obama said, that is upsetting.
IronythatisLife 3 years ago
We existed as Spirits before we came here to receive a physical body and be tested. When someone chooses to abort a fetus,(or baby), we are denying another's opportunity for life. We will be accountable for that on levels we can't understand at this time. Just because we choose not to believe something, doesn't make it 'not true'... Our time here is finite... we WILL understand all of this someday... This is not a 'free for all'...
entheos222 3 years ago
I have to admit that, after 30 years of being bombarded with this same argument to elect conservatives to office, I can't understand why none of them have ever done anything to reverse Roe V. Wade. George W. Bush was placed into office in 2000 by the Supreme Court and for 6 years Conservatives held majorities in the House of Representatives, the Senate and the Supreme Court as well as holding the Presidency and they did NOTHING about abortion. Nothing. That's a fact. Irrefutible.
TRLocke 3 years ago 2
Excellent point!!!!
Politicians use this issue to divide us and to cloud all other issues.
mutube108 3 years ago
TRL: Good point about politicians, but how does that make killing babies okay?
yodavater 3 years ago
Not sure what you mean. My point is that it is a non issue. God gave the power to preserve a baby's life to the mother of that baby. It would be a human rights violation beyond words for the government to try to make someone do something with their body. So what happens if RvW is reversed--every miscarriage is a possible homicide? It's stupid and unenforcable. God knows what he's doing. Let him be God. If a woman has an abortion, she will answer to him.
TRLocke 3 years ago
Yes but we will all answer to God on judgement day, and I don't want to have to account for supporting a candidate that will remove all restrictions on abortion, maybe we should just say it is not illegal to murder anymore cause that murderer will have to give account to God, well that's crazy if you ask me we are reponsible to vote for people who will support laws that are in the best interest of the people, and that includes the unborn, partially, born and accidently born!!!
kc4ril 3 years ago
Somehow this appeared in my email as a reply to my comment even though on here it appears random. Please answer this question... "How will you enforce this anti-abortion law?" A law that is unenforcable is no law at all. That's all I'm saying. God gave no way to enforce what a woman does to her own body. So please stop seeing it as if the baby (while inside the woman) is seperate from the woman. Do what Jesus does and fight poverty and ignorance and you will help eliminate abortion.
TRLocke 3 years ago
Point taken, and I agree that it is important to fight poverty and ignorance and am envolved in a few endevors to help accomplish this goal, I say that not to boast but just so that you will know I don't just sit at home and complain about what's wrong with the world, but in my previous comment I specificaly mentioned that includes the partially, born and accidently born!!! since abortion is already legal Obama wants to make it so there are almost no restrections at all, it must end somewhere!
kc4ril 3 years ago
Your comments about Obama's policy are incorrect. Check his policy position and you'll find he does NOT support late term abortions and is FOR concerted efforts to greatly reduce the # of unwanted pregnancies.
mutube108 3 years ago
You know a man by his works. Everything he has done as a senetor has supported all forms of abortion including late-term. Watch the video again, do some research and leave the Obama cult.
StormMarc 3 years ago
Calling the Democratic nominee for President of the US a cult leader is bizarre. This is a democracy.
mutube108 3 years ago
Well, I'm going on his statement that the first thing he will do as President is sign the freedom of choice act, so if you say that he is against late term abortions I would just say that is another area where he has been very inconssitent, think about this if I see a woman who is 8 months pragnient, run up & punch her in the stomach as hard as I can people would say I was a psyco and killed her babie, whoever if she chooses a partial birth abortion people says it's her right?
kc4ril 3 years ago
Kc4ril, StormMarc, et. al.
You're getting bad information. Your understanding of Obama's positions and what he believes as a Christian and what he said he would do as his first order of business in office are all simply wrong. This is the problem of discourse in the world today. I know you are hearing these things from what you believe are reputable sources, but they are not. Please use common sense. And might I suggest you even pray for God to show you the truth. UR b-n manipulated 4 votes.
TRLocke 3 years ago
Well I understand what your getting at the problem is that is really hard to figure out what is a reputable source, and you are right that prayer is very important in the process, I just feel really uneasy about Obama cause he seems like a wild card and it's really difficult to know what he will actualy do if he is elected!
kc4ril 3 years ago
I don't think it's so hard to see what Obama will do when he's elected. His temperment seems steady, calm, moral, and reasoned. McCain's desire for two more wars, his serious anger issues, his role in the Savings & Loans scandal- for me, McCain feels like a wild card. Sometimes McCain seems trustworthy to me, at other times he seems drunk on anger, and at others he seems confused. He's also run too negative of a campaign for me. I like him as a person, but he's too erratic to get my vote.
mutube108 3 years ago
Well that's pobably cause you like Obama, but let's be honest he is inconsistent and often vague in his answers, people tell me that the clips in this video don't accurately represent his view of abortion, but that's the problem, he made those statements, if he has made other statements, and those statements dont match his voting record then to me he sounds like he is trying to tell people what they want to hear so he can get elected and then do what ever he pleases, at least Mcain is consistent
kc4ril 3 years ago
Excellent point.
TRLocke 3 years ago
I love how you say, "Please use common sense" in one sentence and "Pray for god to show you the truth" in the very next. Talk about needing some common sense. "Please Jesus, guide my fingers over the keyboard of my computer and enable them to find reputable information on abortion, thanks Jesus" Yeah everything that happens in this fucking world is because of a cosmic carpenter in the clouds. Moron.
analsweat 3 years ago
Really? That's all you got, anal?
TRLocke 3 years ago
Not everyone looks at this issue in absolutes. Obama is pro-choice AND against late term abortions. As am I.
mutube108 3 years ago
How were antiabortion laws enforced before Roe? But if you really don't think they can be enforced, then what's your problem? Why would an ineffective law bother you at all?
yodavater 3 years ago
Because it would cause every miscarriage to be investigated as a potential homicide. I personally know a number of women who have suffered miscarriages numerous times. They were devastated. If they further had to go through a murder investigation--it would be insane. How do you know if a woman did something to miscarry or not? Investigate her body, subject her to questioning. How do you know if she's telling the truth? Seriously. Think about the ramifications. Ur heart's right.Ur method's wrong.
TRLocke 3 years ago
No, overturning Roe would not cause any miscarriages to be investigated. No sane person in law enforcement would even suggest such a thing. Only when an abortionist was paid to kill a baby would an investigation be appropriate. There are no "miscarriage police", and no sane person is suggesting them. And only prochoice people even bring that up.
yodavater 3 years ago
It's really quite simple. I agree that our politicians haven't done enough to protect unborn babies, but how does that make killing them right? So IMO it IS a moral issue.
God gave all of us the power to kill others, does that mean we should kill indiscriminately? As for "human rights violation", what about the slaughter of the innocent babies?
If a serial killer kills kids, should we not arrest him, and just trust that God will punish him?
yodavater 3 years ago
Yodavater,
In this last argument, your passion has eclipsed your reasoning and logic. Seriously, no one wants to kill babies. No one. Woman have abortions when they don't see or have reasonable options. Shame, stigma (much brought on by our own Christian moralizing), poverty, ignorance, and lack of birth control education, etc. The work fighting these societal issues is the only real "anti-abortion" work going on. Most Anti-abortionist only care about babies until they're born.
TRLocke 3 years ago
TRLocke, Well said!
mutube108 3 years ago
TRLocke, how exactly can you read the mind of every woman who has an abortion? Did you read about the woman at Yale who made an "art exhibit" of her dozens of abortions?
And any option is more reasonable than electively killing an innocent baby. How can you call that "reasonable"? And what does it help your cause to make personal attacks on prolifers anyway? Does making personal smears against us justify killing babies?
yodavater 3 years ago
It's up to the supreme court. Bush has no power to overturn their decisions.
MEETCH1 3 years ago
He appoints. They vote according to party lines. They just didn't. And they won't.
TRLocke 3 years ago
They didn't do "nothing" Bush tried to overturn it but the Congress couldn't pass it. Just because Republicans had the majority in Congress doesn't necessarily mean that all of them are going to vote to overturn Roe v. Wade.
jenkins699 3 years ago
You're simply wrong about Bush. I don't know how to argue that with you, but you are simply mistaken about history.
TRLocke 3 years ago
I had a child at 17. I am not stupid or irratioal and my daughter in not a punishment....SHE IS MY GIFT
momma2hlaj 3 years ago 3
God bless you for making the choice to have your child. I have four boys and a gift they are.
builderguy23 3 years ago 2
Ditto that! Good job momma2hlaj!
karenkahle 3 years ago
I had a child at 17. I am not stupid or irratioal and my daughter in not a punishment....SHE IS MY GIFT
momma2hlaj 3 years ago 2
Obama -- a baby is a mistake? How sad. I guess he's a mistake then?
karenkahle 3 years ago
OK Spindoctor, but Obama never said that. It's one thing to disagree with other people. It's another thing to twist their words.
If you expect to be heard, be passionate sure, but don't lie. (Or repeat other people's lies without first checking your facts.)
Sorry, if I'm being a bit harsh. (Maybe someone lied to you.) I just have a hard time practicing patience when I encounter obvious deception. Obama is family centered & pro-choice & for a massive effort to prevent unwanted pregnacies.
mutube108 3 years ago
The only way to prevent unwanted pregnancies that is moral is to stop having unprotected sex. So it is moral to kill a baby huh. read the definition of moral before you start talking about morality.
builderguy23 3 years ago 2
On your first point, yes, reducing unprotected sex is the moral way to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
We agree on something! :)
I don't believe a zygote or early-term fetus is a baby, so I don't believe that abortion is murder. (I am against late term abortions, except in the rare cases where doing so is the only way to save the mother's life.) I don't believe killing is moral in most cases. I don't support the death penalty, I am a vegetarian, and I work to prevent war and violence.
mutube108 3 years ago
You know this topic could be above your pay grade......
builderguy23 3 years ago
Good Job!! Keep it up!!!
eric731 3 years ago 3
To be pro-life is to be anti-woman. Why do people care SO MUCH about something that isn't born yet, while at the same time, once the baby is born, they offer no support to the mother. They expect the mother to support and raise the child on their own, all while judging her for being "dumb enough" to get knocked up in the first place.
huskiew 3 years ago
What a strange, strange comment. All women start out as female unborn babies, and you who want to see them killed as babies say we are "anti-woman"? How very, very strange.
yodavater 3 years ago
Being pro-choice does NOT mean that you take abortion lightly or that you "want" abortions to happen. It means that you recognize the complexity of the issues involved with abortion. It means that no matter how religious you are (religion is the center of my life) you are not arrogant enough (don't all religions preach humility?) to just dismiss other people's religions. All religions believe life is sacred, but different religions have different opinions on when life begins and what life is.
mutube108 3 years ago
Complexity? LIFE IS NOT THAT COMPLEX, IT IS A SIMPLE DECISION. TO KILL A BABY OR NOT. LIFE IS LIFE AT CONCEPTION. PERIOD
builderguy23 3 years ago
I disagree. On moral, ethical, practical, religious, and compassionate grounds, I disagree. My pro-choice position is based on a profound respect for life. I don't expect you to understand, but it is BECAUSE I honor life that I am pro-choices.
mutube108 3 years ago
Religion does not specify life, science tries to specify.
builderguy23 3 years ago
Wrong. Most religions take up the religious questions of who am I? and what is life? This is an attempt (I think more accurate then science when answered by the saints and sages and not fear-based religious beliefs) to specify what life is.
mutube108 3 years ago
Quote to me where in any bible it states that in any way shape form or fashion.
builderguy23 3 years ago
The only religions that call their holy books "bibles" are Christian religions. However to answer you question, the bible, torah, koran, the sutras, the upshandas, etc., all attempt to answer the questions, "Who am I?" "What is life?" "What is God (or truth or reality)?" So, every religious text is an attempt to "specify" life.
mutube108 3 years ago
Forget religion when you are talking about when "life begins", that's a scientific question. "Life" began millions of years ago, and is a continuum to this day. Each new life begins anew as the union of egg and sperm, which are both alive. So "life" does not begin with each person, only the existence of a new human being, at fertilization begins.
yodavater 3 years ago
I think it is better to not be born, than to be born into a world that doesn't want you.
huskiew 3 years ago
This isn't about killing.
I think it's better to not be born, than to be born into a world that doesn't want you.
huskiew 3 years ago
Actually, it is about killing. It is about killing babies. As far as being better off "not born" (killed in the womb), you're entitled to your opinion. But no one has the moral right to take an innocent human life based on their "opinion". That is barbaric, immoral, and hedonistic.
yodavater 3 years ago
The day will come when our grandchildren will look back at the people of the late 1900's and early 2000's and view the established American policy of abortion with tremendous scorn. Much like we disdain the accepted practice of slavery of earlier Americans, and ask ourselves, "What were they thinking?" ... our grandchildren will look back at US and say, "How could they have been so barbaric? What were they thinking?" And the justices who overturn Roe will be viewed as heroes, like Wilberforce.
ppastorppaul 3 years ago
Away from durty politics... Abortion is wrong and a crime and who ever suport it is a criminal.....
bouasria2008 3 years ago
I'm sorry, but a fetus is not a baby. A fetus is a beautiful potential for a new life, but it is not a baby. If it was a baby it would be able to survive outside of the woman who carries it. I don't understand how you can have so much so called "compassion" for a beautiful potential, but turn such a cold eye on everyone else (including women). There is violence in your desire to pit women and fetuses against each other. Can you find a position that respects and equally values all of life?
mutube108 3 years ago
it's either alive or not. it's either human or another species. check some basic biology.
sk1bianca 3 years ago
A newborn couldn't survive outside a woman unless it was cared for. Does that make a newborn not a baby?
Sure, an unborn baby is dependent on its mother for survival. But that means it's not a baby? That's simply illogical.
Look at your bellybutton. Can't you see that you too were once dependent on someone else for survival? Thank God your mother chose life. Right?
Joanw1214 3 years ago
No, thank God my mother and father wanted and loved me. Thank God my mother was/is loved and respected. Thank God her body wasn't a war zone. Thank God she CHOSE to have me. Thank God I was born to a strong and loving mother who has a sense of herself.
I love my mother too much to wish that she had me no matter what. If my existence would have caused my mother incredible suffering then I would NOT want her to feel forced to have me. Sorry, but I don't love myself more than I love my mother.
mutube108 3 years ago 5
I tried to post the definition of "baby" from an online dictionary, but it looks like it's not going to be allowed to post. So, look it up yourself, before you manufacure your made up definitons and post them here.
yodavater 3 years ago
Abortion is the opening of a woman's womb to kill an innocent baby. A person choosing to fight for something (voluntary military) or choosing to commit crimes and being punished are issues regarding grown people with choices. Abortion involves a baby that has no choice. The right choice for that baby is life. Women deserve better than to be subjected to choosing abortion. Everyone should support a woman's choice for life.
CherryVids 3 years ago
I will vote for life, which means voting for Obama. McCain wants to start two new wars while our keeping troops fighting the two wars we're already involved in. I don't understand how anyone who says they are for a "culture of life" can expect to be taken seriously when they are pro-war, pro-death penalty, when they think it's OK to use hate speech against those who are different then them. Christ taught that we practice loving-kindness and humility. This is what it means to "choose life."
mutube108 3 years ago
50 million since 1973. Every other issue pales in comparison.
iNSaNeQUAID 3 years ago
um first of all, our soldiers choose to serve and they know the risks when they sign up. and second, the death penalty is for criminals who have done crimes and they deserve capital punishment. Unborn babies are killed because the woman made stupid decisions and takes the easy way out in life.
yangmeister666 3 years ago
"They deserve it?!!!!"
And rape isn't a "decision."
mutube108 3 years ago
im talking about when Obama said he doesnt want his kids to be punished with kids. and when i did ever say anything about rape? Usually girls get pregnant because they're stupid and make irrational choices.
yangmeister666 3 years ago
Rape isnt the babies decision either. Sometimes life just sucks and you have to deal with it.
increasinglyparanoid 3 years ago