As a Native American I will say that zero Christians could have killed Natives because "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is one of the ten commandments. but whatever good group they got sum chops
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the Atlantic slave trade is half truth the white Christians did not transport 60million slaves from Africa to America, Blacks were the Indigenous people of America! we come from the Washitaws who were in Mexico and their offspring came to Louisiana As far West as California/ Black Indians check out the 1905-08 Map of Colorado the Grand Canyon The Temple of Isis ,Osiris Buddah and may more, were all worshiped here in America before Christianity destroyed their Heritage their Gods!
This is Youtube,you don't know me,obviously I don't know you..When you say you have Herbalists and Witch Doctors,does that mean you are Black African?...It's a good question as in this country anyone born here can say they are American.I am Native American and take my heritage seriously.Perhaps you might delve into your countries,yes,countries,not country's,history..there is historical antecedent refering to "White Magic"...Even in Liberia...
Mans inhumanity towards man. No different than what is going on everywhere on our planet, & again in The United States. Corporate A is kick ass! Beautiful stuff with a lesson for those who know & do not know. History shows us the murder that is continuing today. The old T is the story of, & from the Jews. The NEW T is the message from Our Savior, some say He was NOT a Jew, teaching THE New religion of PEACE, UNDERSTANDING, AND LOVE. It is APPARENT MANKIND will NEVER get it.....some progress!?
you dont learn a whole lot about the genocide of native americans because alot of americas history has been re written. a good example is children being taught to celebrate colombus when in fact he was a murdering butthole. its hard to talk about because corporate avenger says EVERYTHING you want to.
you think know what a Demon is, think you know what magic is . WELL YOU'LL BE amaze when you find , there is NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR you own mind:)...stop the nonsence Religions of the WORLD fed you.time for truth, will change you, IT WILL SET YOU FREE! . will might sond strange and scary but dont l...imit your self to any holy book that tel you anything other that there is evil
dumb fuck, do some research, that was the catholic church, POPE? and p.s. every one knows it was cowboys and Indians, not Christian and Indians. DUHhhhh. fake
Why can't you people just enjoy the awesome music? They are just telling you facts. Stop your bitching! "He did this, she did that" In the end...Odin rules you.
Seems like a bit of simplistic statement. I don't think you're trying very hard. This tells more about your vitriol than it does the history of Christianity. There are quite a few Natives who have great appreciation for Christianity.
Let's give the word to Jesus: Luke 14:26: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple."
That does not mean he wants them to hate them. "Hate" in this day in age means "to like less." They literally did not have the word "like" in this era. It emphasizes the need to give preference to the whole self before the body alone.
2. The word hate still has it's general meaning. It is just used to multiple purposes. They literally had no word for like. So if you don't love something but like it they used the word hate. They only had absolutes for words in this era. If they really did hate something it still remained it's normal meaning.
Can you call a god who is killing children for disobedience, for making fun of a bald profit, to punish their parents or just as collateral damage "all-loving" or "good"?!!
No you got it backwards. The New Testament explains the OT better. That is the only reason for it's existance. Jesus was able clear up misconceptions like you have. There were so many misconceptions by disciples in the OT it was necessary to have a NT.
Besides God cannot be a jerk, because that would imply a flaw. God is flawless.
The NT shows that god is an idiot! he cannot just forgive - he needs BLOOD! And decides to kill himself!...
Besides, YOU are implying that:
1. there IS a god!
2. he's "the Cristian version"!
3. the Bible is his wisdom.
What I'm demonstrating to you is that IF there is a god at all, we can be SURE that it's NOT the biblical one (i.e. the Bible is NOT god's wisdom)! The flaw is not in me; it's in the Bible!
Maybe not for people like you who comprehend it wrong. The Bible has been able to teach me how to get to heaven, and keep me in good faith. The best way to live your life is by the Word of God.
Nope. The Bible has taught you NOTHING! Otherwise it wouldn't have been you who's twisting its words to make SOME moral sense! Your moral is better than the biblical god's! So you need to constantly try to prove that "put to death' doesn't mean "kill", that Stoning children is wrong so god doesn't order it even when he does and that people didn't have basic words some 2000 years ago!
And the main idiocy still remains: Why couldn't god JUST FORGIVE? He's making the rules, righ?!
@sh4rpsh0t33 there is n heaven also there is no hell there is only purgatory in which we live in. all things come from nature and all things return to nature. the only reason they haven't disproved genesis is bc nobody knows or will ever know how the earth was created. also with the flood i have never seen,heard, or read of any proof that didn't come from the bible so fuck that Jesus was real,he was killed by suffocation on a cross but was he the savior of mankind no.
@sh4rpsh0t33 and the bible has also taught people to hate and fear that which they dont agree with and those lessons inspired some of the most violent and bloody periods of history, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials, The American Indian War, The Holocost
Numbers 15:32 "Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."
He was of Jewish ethnicity not religion. Technically he was of no religion. He is the human reincarnation of God. He does not need to worship himself.
@sh4rpsh0t33 if your catholic and belive that the holy spirt, jesus and god are the same then i guess you could think him as jewish as jesus was baptised a jew
Even if that is true it does not really matter. Christianity orginated mainly from Jesus Christ and what he said. Which is key to being a Christian anyways.
Christianity originated from the God of The Old Testament. Jesus, Luke, and Matthew all instruct to follow the Old Testament. Now I want you to go read the Old Testament. You will find that God and Jesus are not all about love...
There's a reason so many atrocities have been committed in the name of God. They don't misinterpret what the Bible says; in fact, they follow it in a literal context. They actually take it seriously, unlike more Liberal Christians.
@IFloridaMotocrossI so what your saying is that the genocide of the native American's was OK with the Christan belief. wow we have a Hitler wanna be. whats next are you gonna attack all the Wicca believers next.
@supersmash43 ,While I agree with your statement,your choice of words reveals a decidely negative,european take on the word "Darkness"...Why is dark bad?...White magic in Africa is magic of plague and diseased food....Think about words before you use them if you want make a point...Peace
We have them come out of the woodwork yelling savages at the black community and oppressors at the white. I have seen several americans get beat down bad because they think they can win sides on apartheid talk.
And what's the difference??? Without the BS of the OT - Jesus would've been useless! AND he stated that NOT A SINGLE WORD of the OT is to be altered!!!
The New Testament is more important in my opinion. It is where Jesus is ressuracted. I think we can both agree that is the most significant thing about Christianity period.
Is monstrous really the proper word to use though? I mean if you are a Christian and you see God a perfect and can do no wrong, then I don't see how anything he could do could be monstrous. Maybe we were just not taking the way God wanted us to live our lives seriously enough. I would agree that we should look at God as someone who will send you to hell. I don't think he wants you to go there, but I think that the Old Testament does stress God's wrath to sinners better.
Well, a god that would KILL you for working on Saturday IS a monster! A god that demands you to STONE your disobedient children IS a monster. A god that requires the infidels to be killed before him IS a monster...
And the Hell is a New Testament invention!!!
And if god is almighty and omniscient, he DOES want most of us (at least!) to go to hell.
Woah woah woah. You got it all wrong. This is why we are so blessed that Jesus came here to clear up all of the confusion. I believe Jesus is the human form of God. And all he ever preached was to love one another. He also said all we have to do is love him and accept him as our lord to get to heaven. That doesn't sound like much of a monster to me.
He made sure that we knew that God loved us and wanted us to go to heaven. God came to Earth to persuade us humans to worship and follow him. Live by his word and they will be able to see the promise land. Please quote the passages directly because they really aren't much proof of anything if they are in your own words.
1. He DIDN"T make sure of it - if he wanted to declare himself - he should've done it in Rome, in India, in China. where LOTS of people would've benefited, - not in the desert!
2. To live by his word - i.e. to STONE unruly children?
3. This is the UNIVERSAL way to quote the Bible, and it's short! I don't have space to quote entire passages. Don't tell me you're too lazy to look them up!
4. Are you saying that the Bible is not much proof of anything, unless it's in MY words???
It doesn't matter where he did it. The fact that he came at all is a blessing. People in North America live my his word today. I think it is safe to say people from India, Rome, and China could here his word just as easily.
Jesus never said to stone unruly children.
It is not universal. I see people quote the Bible on here all of the time. I tried to look up what your saying and I can't find anything close to it. I am only asking you to give me it because I can't find it.
1. It DOES matter! If something great happens, you make sure that the biggest media gets to know it, you don't just report it in the poorest village's monthly newspaper and wait for AGES for the word to spread!
2. Is Jesus god? God DID say you should stone the little pricks! And Jesus insisted they should be killed: Matt 15:4 (again).
I am pretty sure Rome was an ideal place considering the power they had at that time. For them to fail to crucify what they said was only a man made the news extremely large.
Anyways in Matt 15:4 all he says is that you should honour your father and mother. If you don't you will die. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me.
1. It DIDN'T happen in ROME, but in a deaf corner of the Roman Empire!
2. Nobody heard for this for a long, LONG time!
3. According to what version of the bible you're reading, it says "must be put to death" or "let him die the death" - both mean kill him! (it certainly doesn't mean "leave him alone until he dies of a natural cause")
1. The Roman Empire was the most powerful empire in all of European history. For Jesus to make his mark there was a very ideal thing.
2. Yeah, kinda happens with no technology. Shows how even more so how important it was for it to spread just on the power of hearsay.
3. It matters not whether it says those too. No where does it say that a person has to kill them. It is God who ultimately carries out the action. In that sense it is very much natural.
1. Again: he should've done it in ROME, not just in some remote corner of the empire!
2. One would think that "no technology" would NOT be a problem to an almighty god...!!! counting on HEARSAY to spread the TRUTH of GOD is the dumbest thing ever!
3.1. Yes, it does! These are all instructions, not explanations!
3.2. God obviously does NOT kill the disobedient children (otherwise it would've been a scarcely populated planet), so yes, it must've been instructions FOR US, after all!
1. Who is to say that the crucifiction would have certainly happened if he did it somewhere else?
2. It wasen't a problem. Christianity is the largest religion to date even with no technology back then.
3.1 No their not. Why do you think their is a commandment that says "Thou shall not kill"?
3.2 Like I said before all deaths are ultimately decided by God. We are not suposed to kill. If you interpret it as instructions then that is your right, but thank God no one else does.
2. Yeah, and the non-Christians are still more! Plus, it would've saved more souls if it wasn't taking so long to spread!
3.1. Why are there also commandments for killing gays, disobedient children, people who work on Saturday, wizards and witches...?!!!
3.2. if it's NOT an instruction - WHAT is it? Just Jesus saying that MAY BE SOME OF THEM would EVENTUALLY die some day???? What sense does that make??!!!
1. God gave people free will therefore the thoughts of feelings of people in different places were different. The exact circumstance would certainly not happen.
2. How do you know? We don't know exactly want happens after we die. We could be given a chance to accept Jesus even after death. Seems fair to me.
3. There aren't commandents for killing gays, disobdedient children, and people who work on Saturday, and wizards and withches. If there are you need to show me some proof.
It means they will die. It is that simple. We don't exactly know how because it is very vague. But vagueness does not give you the right to jump to conclusions.
1. No, he didn't. He's omniscient - this means NOTHING depends on us, it's all been PRE-DESTINED already!
2. Well, it'd seem fair to me, too, but it's mot what the Bible say!!
3. Exodus 22:17, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 20:27, Leviticus 21:9, Exodus 31:12-15, Jeremiah 48:10 (!), Numbers 15:32-36 ... (If you've red the Bible you'd known this list could go on and on...)
Oh, it means THEY'd die? So the rest wouldn't die????
Then how could any test of faith towards God be a test when he already knows the outcome? You have too many flaws in things you say, you're judgementally quoting bible qoutes, and you can barely spell.... Welcome to fucking America
No, no, no - these are not MY flaws, these are the Bible's flaws! Don't blame me for them!
Personally, I find the entire "god playing hide and seek to test our faith" idea very dumb idea, but - again - that's not MY problem.
As a side note, sure my English is far from perfect, but it's one of the 6 languages I've studied, and it's NOT my native tongue, and i do NOT live in America... Not that I see any connection between all this and the biblical issues, but since you're bringing the matter...
So what languages have you studied? Judging by your name, I'd say you're either German, Dutch, Finnish, or Swedish. And if you want a connection for biblical issues, we can go there if you want, or you can read things I've posted on Bible Is Bullshit by VitaminTman
@grozde It's a work of fiction to me, Fantasy as people would call it. It's insane a few men took a book, and turned it's actual meaning, into a means of control. It's quite sad, no?
1. Did you honestly just say God did not give us free will?
2. That is not the point. You have no idea that it would save more souls because you do not know the true reality or the true extent of God's judgement. No one will know unti they die.
3. I read passages from there and I cannot find what your talking about. Not even anything close to it. Show me quotes or you have nothing.
1. WHEN did hi gave us free will? And HOW does he know IN ADVANCE what we're going to do if we have a choice?
2. So you're saying we don't know the truth of god until we die and meet him. Fine - screw the bible then, right?
3. Buy a bible,man! Or google it!
So, Jesus - according to you - was saying: "If a child is unruly - it will die. Some day. Like the rest of you." - WHAT'S THE POINT OF SAYING ANYTHING LIKE THIS?! Pull the bible out of your head and put your brain back in!
Just because he knows what he are going to do does not mean we don't have free will. If God decided what each and everyone one of us would do we would all be perfect. No one is perfect therefore we obviously have free will.
No not screw the Bible. The Bible tells us a lot. Not everything. It tells us what we need to know to get there. But we will never know exactly how God judges our souls.
I never said I understood his point of saying this. But it is still better than jumping to
1. God KNOWS today that TOMORROW I'll steal a potato.
If I don't steal it - he's not omniscient. So I have no choice (may be an ILLUSION of one!), I'm destined to steal it! And - again - WHEN was that free will given to us?
2. The bible tells us NOT to kill;but it also tells us to STONE or BURN people!...
And - by the way - if the Bible isn't telling it all - how do we know how much (and how important!) is missed?
1. Your perspective of this whole thing is distorted. God lives in no concept of time. He created time and put the universe inside of time. He did not write down what you were going to do, but he only knows because he is outside of the spectrum of time.
2. No it doesn't. People may have been soned or burned in the Bible, but no where does it say stone person x if they do y.
We don't know how important it is. It is not a bad thing to not know things. We just shouldn't assume we do.
1. This claim was proven pointless so many times, but you people keep coming back with it (for the lack of a better explanation). BUT: no mater where HE lives, WE live "inside" time-space! So he KNOWS before MY time has come what I am going to do, therefore it's still pre-destined!
Again: WHERE did you pick up this "free will" from?
1. Everything you said was true until the "pre destined" part. There is no "pre." For there to be a "pre" it would deal with a reference of time. Which in God's case their is not. For Christ's sake free will is Sunday school stuff. Even my little sister knows this.
2. I have read enough to know important facts. If I have not read something I don't act like I do and jump to conclusions like you do.
1. Again: for GOD it might ne out of tieme; for ME it's INSIDE of time!
Free will is an illusion - that's my point! What do you call free will and when did you get it - answer these and you'd see!
2. I've quoted you below Numbers 15:32-35! "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." GOD COMMANDS IT!
And on you previous point 3: I'm not "jumping to conclusions", I'm just READING THE BOOK! You, on the other hand, are saying "I don't know what's the point and why he's saying it, but I'm sure he's not saying what he's saying!"
Then show me a quote that says anything close to what your saying.
No, I am just taking it for exactly what he said word for word. I don't add any more meaning to it like you do. To me put to death = put to death. To you put to death = I give permission to humans to kill children if they disobey their parents.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die...
1. So you'd agree to stone a teenager who is "stubborn, rebellious, disobedient, glutton, and a drunkard"???
2. It DOESN'T MATTER how often it happens; the point is that your loving god COMMANDS parents to put their CHILDREN to death - for having a hard puberty even!!!
3. Do you think that there's ANYTHING that a child could do that would make his NORMAL parents put him to stoning? A N Y T H I N G ???!!! Yet the all-loving god COMANDS it!!!
You don't know the full entirity of what the child had done. Rebellious could mean to them that he is trying to kill THEM. "when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them"
It is obviously a last resort. God is never wrong.
It DOESN'T say "a child that attempted parricide", it says "stubborn, rebellious, disobedient, glutton, and a drunkard"!!!
If your smart god wanted to say "parricidal child" - she should've said so! But what he said is UNRULY CHILD! If you read the ENTIRE bible - and not just the "nice" parts you'd come to many. many more gruesome commands and needs of your all-loving god!
But EVEN IF it's a parricide child-do you think it should be stoned?Do you think ANYBODY should be stoned?
@grozde This time actually try to read my last comment. She? God is definately a man.
If you believe Jesus is the son of God then you believe what he said as well. Which was to love one another and not do harm to one another. No matter what they do or who they are. I think that makes it pretty obvious that God did want us to kill each other.
But if god's a man - he's a damn lonely one. With hairy palms... But I digress.
That's the whole point: If you read the Bible, you'll see that God/JC command us to love each-other AND to hate each-other; to kill AND not to kill; to steal AND not to steal... Because the Bible is incoherent.
And I'm not asking you what GOD thinks is OK - I know he likes killing children; I'm asking you if it's OK by YOU!!!
You know he "LIKES" to kill children? How do you know he likes to do it? Technically he kills everyone, and everyone dies when they are meant to die. God does not want this to happen or not want to happen. It just is.
It is stated clearly in the Bible that murder is bad. People are not allowed to kill one another, and if they do it is a mortal sin. This is why the New Testament is much better at showing the true word of God.
How about God sending to bears to KILL 40-some children because they made fun of a bold prophet? How about ORDERING his people to KILL all breathing creatures in the conquered towns/kingdoms (cattle included!)
And the NT god is a dumb and crazy hypocrite! And before you ask me again 'Why" - please, GO READ THE ENTIRE BIBLE!!!
The Redman is the most presecuted race out there. This song I agree 100%. How would the Jews feel if they put Hitler on Money????? I'm mostly white but I still hear people make fun of Natives even to this day, but noooo don't make fun of the black man!!!! TV said it's wrong!!! In school you spend a half a semester on slavery but a only a week on the genocide of Natives. You wanna take a class on Native Am culture the course is named anthropology like we are apes something!!!!!!!!!
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I really hate when people refer to catholics calling them CHRISTIANS... christians are those to follow what Jesus taught... and catholics are not even close to following jesus... so they are NOT christians....
Catholicism is a division of Christianity just like Baptism, Lutheran, Judaism, and even Islam. It all stems from Christianity. Get your facts straight.
I don't care about christianity, I care about following Jesus. Jesus said: those who love me, follow my commandments... 1 of them is THOU SHALL NOT KILL, and catholics ALWAYS killed, and still do. Did you know that the Vatican is directly linked to the Sicilian Mafia? So, YOU should get your facts straight. and "catholicism" is the source of all evil...
Fuck you im sick of this mafia shit im more sicilian than any other of my backgrounds and dont put that mafia shit out there. WE ARE NOT ALL CATHOLIC OR CONNECTED ASSHOLE!
white christians murdered indians, THE WHITE MAN is really stupid gay lazy ugly dirty and nasty drug addict, latinamericans we aren't drug addicts at all we are the future like asians are, fuck whites, brothers we have to export drugs to north america & europe, whites you know that you love our drugs it's good for your brains hahaha stupid addicts, hey dumbs buy our drugs we can take your money while we destroy your lives and health lol xs xD
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dude???? what were did you guys get the stupid idea that christians killed indians??? look at your selfs!!!! GOD LOVES YOU!!!! MY GOD SOES NOT SATAN!!!!! WHE YOU GET OVER IT LET ME KNOW!!!
There was a comic in my high school economy book. There was a man saying that all immigrants should return to their country. Beside him was an Indian saying, "I'll help you pack."
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
-Albert Einstein
I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.
God means different hings to many people, God to me is the great engineer as newton would say that set the laws of Physics into motion during the Big bang, with such precision that it had decimal precisions of 37, 40, 55, and even 121. there are 71+ precisions like that, and the existance of matter itself is precise to 1^10^123 decimals.
God is the 'old man' as Einstein would refer to him, that allows such harmony, uniformity, and precision that gives me blithe.
Precise numbers??? We only need those numbers to measure energy comparisons. from to another. It's a human construct. Nature is, we just measure it with our decimals. If those numbers were any different then they are now and the universe still existed, would you still be amazed, or do you have an affinity for those numbers in particular. If you suffer emotional attachment to numbers I suggest you get away from numbers more. It will drive you crazy if you look for patterns where there are none.
Atheism means that I don't believe in God. I see no evidence that suggests a God, and even those who worship God, can't envision it. It is an irrational construct of imagination. Not just God, but anything metaphysical which I do not percieve. So I don't believe in ghosts, or esp either.
First of all it isn't 95%, it's actually 92% which also includes Agnostics, and many of those Atheists are against the bullshit you're saying right now. Most of them are Atheist Agnostics not positive Atheists like yourself so you have no point there. Next, quality is better than quanity.
You have the majority, but I have the most influential and greatest scientists of all imte. The greatest by ranks are 1. Newton; 2. Maxwell; 3. Eisntein, who all believed in God. Two of them being Christian.
Quit claiming Einstein!! It betrays his memory, but you are correct of Newton and Maxwell. As for Newton, he had no reason to disbelieve as nothing was contrary to his field of study. I also have great respect for theistic scientists of the past, Maxwell also had no reason to disbelieve. But when you're talking Einstein, you're talking astrophysics, then your talking where science and religion diverge in philosophy and understanding.
"As for Newton, he had no reason to disbelieve as nothing was contrary to his field of study. I also have great respect for theistic scientists of the past, Maxwell also had no reason to disbelieve"
no one has reason to disbelieve, astrophysicist allows more belief in God, Einstein was extra religious even wrote a book on Science and Religion (though he was a Deist), neil Degrassi a famous modern astrophysicist is a fervent believer.
Astrophysicists know that every creation myth is wrong. Where is the multiverse in any creation myth? Where does it imply that matter and energy are one and the same? Which creation myth actually has the universe being created before the Earth and is not centered around the Earth. Earth is a infinitessemally small speck in the cosmos, but we are to believe that we are the most special place here in our universe. You think too small.
"Astrophysicists know that every creation myth is wrong"
Are you an Astrophysicist? Do you know all Astrophysicsit, stop claiming all this bullshit without evidence!!!!! Neil Degrassi once again one of the most influential scientists of our time an AstroPhysicist is a Christian!
Also no one is claiming a geocentric Universe so please stop this bullshit, you're making me angry and I will insult your beliefs if you keep on insulting mines, I have been on the defensive.
"how nature could possibly occur the way it has, you jump to the conclusion that there must be a mystical force? "
Yes, the uniformity of our Universe to me shows the blithe stately existance of a divine creator in my opinion. God the ultimate engineer not only gives me a sense of awe to the Universe, but it gives me this feeling that I can't comprehend when I look at the Universe through my feeble mind.
What uniformity, describe this uniformity and also describe how it could only come from God. If you can do part 2 of my question, you'll have a convert. I see waste and poor design myself. We have already created technology which exceeds that which nature has given us. Astronomy itself relies on using instruments which to us, are naturally invisible. Why is there diversity, nature would require many different engineers to fall into your definition, none of them omnipotent.
You see poor design? well it has nothing to do with design, rather precision of our constants. The existance of matter in the Universe is set to the precision of a million billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion decimal places. That right there was discovered by Roger penrose a collegue of Stephen Hawkings, after that faithful day I started my path towards God and theological philosophy.
So how do you claim to know where it came from? In a multiverse of universes, which could have different constants than the ones you speak of, what then. Do you think that if these constants were different that nothing would have happened, or do you think that science just hasn't discovered where they come from yet. If God is not scientifically falsifiable, how does it pertain to nature anyway? We have measured the constants you speak of, but could existence occur if these were shifted. Yes.
"In a multiverse of universes, which could have different constants than the ones you speak of"
I hate to burst your Bubble but you can't explian the multiverse leaving hte comsological argument still in effect, also the multiverse has no empriical evidence, next if you believe what you said is true you follow Inverse gambler's fallacies and naturalistic fallacies ( I hate to point fallacies out since I use them alot).
God pertains to nature in its uniformity, look at precision of matter..
So, again, God is not falsifiable, there is no condition under which you will not believe in God. Give me one piece of information that could falsiffy God. You can speculate until you're blue in the face, but you will never prove God. Why not study that which we can understand? Unless this is a fanciful diversion for you, like when I read fantasy novels.
I don't seek to prove God, looking at the Universe and its extreme precision suffices me with bliss in my soul. I simply believe in God because of Philosophy and Science, and I don't think you or anyone can change my mind, the same way I can't convince you to believe in God.
I think you are quite right about convincing you, that it can't be done, you convince yourself constantly enough by the sounds of it, like your entire existence hinges upon it. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Does it hurt to think that no person has ever actually written about the truth in theistic matters, or do you have to follow holy books? It actually makes more sense if you envision a pantheon rather than one God, that would explain the conflict inherent in our universe and lives
" If there was a force that was mysterious and held the universe together against what we measured, that would be evidence of God. What you speak of is counterevidence"
WHAT? I don't understand a word you're saying, it isn't an argument for naturalistic explanation, that would be a naturalsitic fallacy. No, nature was started and it was started by, in my opinion, a being who decided to leave constants to extreme precisions.
Infotainment. Love this shit!
SnafuMatthew 20 hours ago
As a Native American I will say that zero Christians could have killed Natives because "Thou Shalt Not Kill" is one of the ten commandments. but whatever good group they got sum chops
WarriorOfTheOldWays1 2 months ago
The lies are being exposed one by one, and we the 7th generation will set things right again.
SouthernCherokee1960 4 months ago
This is the best video to match this song that I have seen yet, great job, and fantastically great song Corporate Avenger Rules!!
SouthernCherokee1960 4 months ago
Humans, such a child race.
mQtek 6 months ago
Great songs. It just sounds good, not the mention it's message.
rallaa 7 months ago
If you are a racist check out the video called "Our Forgotten Heritage"
Audascity1 8 months ago
Wake up People of Color!!!!! we are being Exterminated in the name of Christ!! there is no such a thing of salvation they haven't been saving us!!! there KIllllllllllllllllling UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUs there OPPPPPPPPPPPPPRREEEEESSSSSIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGG USSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKEE UUUUUUUUUUUUPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!
Audascity1 8 months ago
the Atlantic slave trade is half truth the white Christians did not transport 60million slaves from Africa to America, Blacks were the Indigenous people of America! we come from the Washitaws who were in Mexico and their offspring came to Louisiana As far West as California/ Black Indians check out the 1905-08 Map of Colorado the Grand Canyon The Temple of Isis ,Osiris Buddah and may more, were all worshiped here in America before Christianity destroyed their Heritage their Gods!
Audascity1 8 months ago
Yahweh is a god of war. He was stolen from early Judaism, when it was pantheistic. Guess who their god of war was?
ZombieBite1991 10 months ago
@ZombieBite1991 who?
skrewytheklown 9 months ago
@skrewytheklown The god of the bible.
ZombieBite1991 9 months ago
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skrewytheklown 9 months ago
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@ZombieBite1991 the god of christianity was their god of war?
skrewytheklown 9 months ago
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@skrewytheklown Pretty much. Look at the Old Testament.
ZombieBite1991 9 months ago
@ZombieBite1991 Satan!!
Audascity1 8 months ago
this band is what i was always looking... this message is powerful
RideDaFuckinLightnin 1 year ago
This is Youtube,you don't know me,obviously I don't know you..When you say you have Herbalists and Witch Doctors,does that mean you are Black African?...It's a good question as in this country anyone born here can say they are American.I am Native American and take my heritage seriously.Perhaps you might delve into your countries,yes,countries,not country's,history..there is historical antecedent refering to "White Magic"...Even in Liberia...
Anaris10 1 year ago
Mans inhumanity towards man. No different than what is going on everywhere on our planet, & again in The United States. Corporate A is kick ass! Beautiful stuff with a lesson for those who know & do not know. History shows us the murder that is continuing today. The old T is the story of, & from the Jews. The NEW T is the message from Our Savior, some say He was NOT a Jew, teaching THE New religion of PEACE, UNDERSTANDING, AND LOVE. It is APPARENT MANKIND will NEVER get it.....some progress!?
OurLordLennon 1 year ago
this song is soooo true people don't even see it which is sad
offparole 1 year ago
you dont learn a whole lot about the genocide of native americans because alot of americas history has been re written. a good example is children being taught to celebrate colombus when in fact he was a murdering butthole. its hard to talk about because corporate avenger says EVERYTHING you want to.
sixandon 1 year ago 11
you think know what a Demon is, think you know what magic is . WELL YOU'LL BE amaze when you find , there is NOTHING TO FEAR BUT FEAR you own mind:)...stop the nonsence Religions of the WORLD fed you.time for truth, will change you, IT WILL SET YOU FREE! . will might sond strange and scary but dont l...imit your self to any holy book that tel you anything other that there is evil
lordprocyonlotor 1 year ago
playing small does not serve the world nothing enlightened about
shrinking to dont make people feel insecure meant to shine, as the
sun do born to make manifest the light of God that is within all of
us when you light shine light...
shine you alow other to do the same liberated from our fear we set
... people free event if it efraid them only truth can save us
lordprocyonlotor 1 year ago
dumb fuck, do some research, that was the catholic church, POPE? and p.s. every one knows it was cowboys and Indians, not Christian and Indians. DUHhhhh. fake
SPAGHETTIMONSTER1 1 year ago
Why can't you people just enjoy the awesome music? They are just telling you facts. Stop your bitching! "He did this, she did that" In the end...Odin rules you.
Moonguard257 1 year ago
proud to be mohawk indian
destructo1445 1 year ago
Seems like a bit of simplistic statement. I don't think you're trying very hard. This tells more about your vitriol than it does the history of Christianity. There are quite a few Natives who have great appreciation for Christianity.
darenlindley 1 year ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Let's give the word to Jesus: Luke 14:26: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters - yes, even his own life - he cannot be my disciple."
That's how good your NT god is!
grozde 2 years ago
That does not mean he wants them to hate them. "Hate" in this day in age means "to like less." They literally did not have the word "like" in this era. It emphasizes the need to give preference to the whole self before the body alone.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. No, they had ALL these words!
2. So when god says he hates sin, it simply means he "likes sin less"???
grozde 2 years ago
1. No in Bronze Age Rome they did not.
2. The word hate still has it's general meaning. It is just used to multiple purposes. They literally had no word for like. So if you don't love something but like it they used the word hate. They only had absolutes for words in this era. If they really did hate something it still remained it's normal meaning.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Can you call a god who is killing children for disobedience, for making fun of a bald profit, to punish their parents or just as collateral damage "all-loving" or "good"?!!
Your god is a psycho thug!
Read the ENTIRE Bible!
grozde 2 years ago
Read the New Testament.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
I have! And in order to FULLY understand it - one should read the OT, too! Because of the interrelations between them.
And, no, the NT god is still a jerk!
grozde 2 years ago
No you got it backwards. The New Testament explains the OT better. That is the only reason for it's existance. Jesus was able clear up misconceptions like you have. There were so many misconceptions by disciples in the OT it was necessary to have a NT.
Besides God cannot be a jerk, because that would imply a flaw. God is flawless.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
The NT shows that god is an idiot! he cannot just forgive - he needs BLOOD! And decides to kill himself!...
Besides, YOU are implying that:
1. there IS a god!
2. he's "the Cristian version"!
3. the Bible is his wisdom.
What I'm demonstrating to you is that IF there is a god at all, we can be SURE that it's NOT the biblical one (i.e. the Bible is NOT god's wisdom)! The flaw is not in me; it's in the Bible!
Do YOU approve stoning children - for ANYTHING?
grozde 2 years ago
No. She showed that he cared so much about us he was willing to die for us for our sins.
1. Yeah...dur
2. See 1.
3. No, but it is quite helpful
Well your not doing a very good job at demonstrating anything really.
No, I don't approve of stoning children.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Well, either the Bible is NOT helpful - and I DEMONSTRATED it, either you should support the stoning, because the BIBLICAL good promotes it!
Plus, please Do check my quote of Luke 14:26 below!!
grozde 2 years ago
Maybe not for people like you who comprehend it wrong. The Bible has been able to teach me how to get to heaven, and keep me in good faith. The best way to live your life is by the Word of God.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Nope. The Bible has taught you NOTHING! Otherwise it wouldn't have been you who's twisting its words to make SOME moral sense! Your moral is better than the biblical god's! So you need to constantly try to prove that "put to death' doesn't mean "kill", that Stoning children is wrong so god doesn't order it even when he does and that people didn't have basic words some 2000 years ago!
And the main idiocy still remains: Why couldn't god JUST FORGIVE? He's making the rules, righ?!
grozde 2 years ago
The Bible has taught me nothing? Then how did I learn about genisis, crucifiction, the resurection, Noah, ect...
Believe it or not I think I know a little bit more about what I am reading and learning that you do.
Also God does forgive. If you ask Jesus for forgiveness and you are sincere about it he will forgive you.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Genesis - scientifically disproven (also, the Bible contradicts itself);
Crucifixion - didn't happen (at least not as described in the Bible);
Resurection - didn't happen (and the Bible contradicts itself);
Noah - didn't happen - and coulnt' have!
I do not believe that you've red the entire bible!
If god forgives - why didn't he FORGIVE without the Jesus' sacrifice?
And you ignore my note about you trying to apologize for the poor biblical moral...
grozde 2 years ago
Nothing ever disproved Genesis or any other part of the Bible for that matter.
Crucifixion definately happened. Historians even say so. Resurection is the only debatable one, and it has 1000s of accounts of it's occurance.
Noah - was never disproved
The only way to heaven and to entire life is through Jesus. I don't know why and I don't really care. It is just the way it is.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33 there is n heaven also there is no hell there is only purgatory in which we live in. all things come from nature and all things return to nature. the only reason they haven't disproved genesis is bc nobody knows or will ever know how the earth was created. also with the flood i have never seen,heard, or read of any proof that didn't come from the bible so fuck that Jesus was real,he was killed by suffocation on a cross but was he the savior of mankind no.
pickledclown 1 year ago
@pickledclown He is the savior of mankind.
sh4rpsh0t33 1 year ago
@sh4rpsh0t33 and the bible has also taught people to hate and fear that which they dont agree with and those lessons inspired some of the most violent and bloody periods of history, The Crusades, The Spanish Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials, The American Indian War, The Holocost
IRHuntard 1 year ago
@IRHuntard The Bible has not taught us that. That is just humans spinning stuff. Real Christians don't support those acts.
sh4rpsh0t33 1 year ago
Numbers 15:32 "Now while the sons of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering wood on the sabbath day. And those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation; and they put him in custody because it had not been declared what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."
Seems he does exactly that!
grozde 2 years ago
2000 years ago we were all tribal..then came the missionaries with their fucking BIbles!
Dire327 2 years ago
jesus was a jew retard, Saul started the movement.
LasereyedBlindman 2 years ago
the real tragedy here is what happened to the Native American Tribes.
2Wire542 2 years ago
damn alot of u guys are still so messed up in the head, u still dont know your religion still christanity still exists to this day
BabyDoreen1979 2 years ago
more than 1 religion dumbass and this is all true
DAEDREKWARRIOR 2 years ago
No , In Truth Their Was Only 1 Christian ...And He Died On The Cross A Long Time Ago....
FeedingTheUndeadKing 2 years ago
He was a jew technically >.>
and so was the first pope.... and not to mention "Christianity" diddnt exist till the big split in the catholic church
winterfan3000 2 years ago
He was of Jewish ethnicity not religion. Technically he was of no religion. He is the human reincarnation of God. He does not need to worship himself.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33 if your catholic and belive that the holy spirt, jesus and god are the same then i guess you could think him as jewish as jesus was baptised a jew
BritishPatriot3 1 year ago
@BritishPatriot3 Yeah, but he still was not a Jew in the religious since.
sh4rpsh0t33 1 year ago
Did I say that, fucktard?
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago
It used to be Christianity. As I stated, it is a sect originating from Christianity.
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago
Even if that is true it does not really matter. Christianity orginated mainly from Jesus Christ and what he said. Which is key to being a Christian anyways.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
Christianity originated from the God of The Old Testament. Jesus, Luke, and Matthew all instruct to follow the Old Testament. Now I want you to go read the Old Testament. You will find that God and Jesus are not all about love...
There's a reason so many atrocities have been committed in the name of God. They don't misinterpret what the Bible says; in fact, they follow it in a literal context. They actually take it seriously, unlike more Liberal Christians.
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago 3
@IFloridaMotocrossI so what your saying is that the genocide of the native American's was OK with the Christan belief. wow we have a Hitler wanna be. whats next are you gonna attack all the Wicca believers next.
pickledclown 1 year ago
@pickledclown
Militaristic imperialism is promoted in the Bible. If you don't believe me, take a look.
IFloridaMotocrossI 1 year ago
@IFloridaMotocrossI so true. The Bible endorses slavery and murder in the name of God. Christianity certainly has a very dark history.
supersmash43 1 year ago
@supersmash43 ,While I agree with your statement,your choice of words reveals a decidely negative,european take on the word "Darkness"...Why is dark bad?...White magic in Africa is magic of plague and diseased food....Think about words before you use them if you want make a point...Peace
Anaris10 1 year ago
@Anaris10 ok then how about evil? The Bible is one of the most genocidal books e ever written.
supersmash43 1 year ago
@Anaris10
I'm from africa and I have never ever ever ever heard of white magic.
we do have herbalists and witchdoctors.
but know your facts before you speak you make us sound like lord and the rings here.
I feel so angered when stupid americans try to talk about us like they know us.
if you want to make a point use your own fucking useless country.
lolkiling 1 year ago
@lolkiling
lol you should see how americans think they know about the uk when they havent even been or know anyone from the uk lol
989lmao 10 months ago
@989lmao
We have them come out of the woodwork yelling savages at the black community and oppressors at the white. I have seen several americans get beat down bad because they think they can win sides on apartheid talk.
lolkiling 10 months ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
And what's the difference??? Without the BS of the OT - Jesus would've been useless! AND he stated that NOT A SINGLE WORD of the OT is to be altered!!!
grozde 2 years ago
The New Testament is more important in my opinion. It is where Jesus is ressuracted. I think we can both agree that is the most significant thing about Christianity period.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Absolutely!
The point is it doesn't change anything from the monstrous character of god and Christianity.
grozde 2 years ago
Is monstrous really the proper word to use though? I mean if you are a Christian and you see God a perfect and can do no wrong, then I don't see how anything he could do could be monstrous. Maybe we were just not taking the way God wanted us to live our lives seriously enough. I would agree that we should look at God as someone who will send you to hell. I don't think he wants you to go there, but I think that the Old Testament does stress God's wrath to sinners better.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Well, a god that would KILL you for working on Saturday IS a monster! A god that demands you to STONE your disobedient children IS a monster. A god that requires the infidels to be killed before him IS a monster...
And the Hell is a New Testament invention!!!
And if god is almighty and omniscient, he DOES want most of us (at least!) to go to hell.
grozde 2 years ago
Woah woah woah. You got it all wrong. This is why we are so blessed that Jesus came here to clear up all of the confusion. I believe Jesus is the human form of God. And all he ever preached was to love one another. He also said all we have to do is love him and accept him as our lord to get to heaven. That doesn't sound like much of a monster to me.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. Clean up the confusion?? WHAT confusion?? He said: the OT law is unchangeable (Matt 5:17, among others)!
2. God send God to be killed in order to persuade God to forgive us a sin that we didn't commit...
3. He told us to HATE our family, but to love HIM (Matt 10:34-37, Luk 14:26).
4. He commanded murder (Matt 15:4, Luk 19:27, Rev. 2:20-23) and theft (Luk 19:30)...
Lovely!...
grozde 2 years ago
He made sure that we knew that God loved us and wanted us to go to heaven. God came to Earth to persuade us humans to worship and follow him. Live by his word and they will be able to see the promise land. Please quote the passages directly because they really aren't much proof of anything if they are in your own words.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. He DIDN"T make sure of it - if he wanted to declare himself - he should've done it in Rome, in India, in China. where LOTS of people would've benefited, - not in the desert!
2. To live by his word - i.e. to STONE unruly children?
3. This is the UNIVERSAL way to quote the Bible, and it's short! I don't have space to quote entire passages. Don't tell me you're too lazy to look them up!
4. Are you saying that the Bible is not much proof of anything, unless it's in MY words???
grozde 2 years ago
It doesn't matter where he did it. The fact that he came at all is a blessing. People in North America live my his word today. I think it is safe to say people from India, Rome, and China could here his word just as easily.
Jesus never said to stone unruly children.
It is not universal. I see people quote the Bible on here all of the time. I tried to look up what your saying and I can't find anything close to it. I am only asking you to give me it because I can't find it.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
1. It DOES matter! If something great happens, you make sure that the biggest media gets to know it, you don't just report it in the poorest village's monthly newspaper and wait for AGES for the word to spread!
2. Is Jesus god? God DID say you should stone the little pricks! And Jesus insisted they should be killed: Matt 15:4 (again).
3. Matt -> Matthew; Luk -> Luke; Rev -> Revelations. Better now?
grozde 2 years ago
I am pretty sure Rome was an ideal place considering the power they had at that time. For them to fail to crucify what they said was only a man made the news extremely large.
Anyways in Matt 15:4 all he says is that you should honour your father and mother. If you don't you will die. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
1. It DIDN'T happen in ROME, but in a deaf corner of the Roman Empire!
2. Nobody heard for this for a long, LONG time!
3. According to what version of the bible you're reading, it says "must be put to death" or "let him die the death" - both mean kill him! (it certainly doesn't mean "leave him alone until he dies of a natural cause")
grozde 2 years ago
1. The Roman Empire was the most powerful empire in all of European history. For Jesus to make his mark there was a very ideal thing.
2. Yeah, kinda happens with no technology. Shows how even more so how important it was for it to spread just on the power of hearsay.
3. It matters not whether it says those too. No where does it say that a person has to kill them. It is God who ultimately carries out the action. In that sense it is very much natural.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
1. Again: he should've done it in ROME, not just in some remote corner of the empire!
2. One would think that "no technology" would NOT be a problem to an almighty god...!!! counting on HEARSAY to spread the TRUTH of GOD is the dumbest thing ever!
3.1. Yes, it does! These are all instructions, not explanations!
3.2. God obviously does NOT kill the disobedient children (otherwise it would've been a scarcely populated planet), so yes, it must've been instructions FOR US, after all!
grozde 2 years ago
1. Who is to say that the crucifiction would have certainly happened if he did it somewhere else?
2. It wasen't a problem. Christianity is the largest religion to date even with no technology back then.
3.1 No their not. Why do you think their is a commandment that says "Thou shall not kill"?
3.2 Like I said before all deaths are ultimately decided by God. We are not suposed to kill. If you interpret it as instructions then that is your right, but thank God no one else does.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
1. God???!!! Or does he only work in Palestine?!
2. Yeah, and the non-Christians are still more! Plus, it would've saved more souls if it wasn't taking so long to spread!
3.1. Why are there also commandments for killing gays, disobedient children, people who work on Saturday, wizards and witches...?!!!
3.2. if it's NOT an instruction - WHAT is it? Just Jesus saying that MAY BE SOME OF THEM would EVENTUALLY die some day???? What sense does that make??!!!
grozde 2 years ago
1. God gave people free will therefore the thoughts of feelings of people in different places were different. The exact circumstance would certainly not happen.
2. How do you know? We don't know exactly want happens after we die. We could be given a chance to accept Jesus even after death. Seems fair to me.
3.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
3. There aren't commandents for killing gays, disobdedient children, and people who work on Saturday, and wizards and withches. If there are you need to show me some proof.
It means they will die. It is that simple. We don't exactly know how because it is very vague. But vagueness does not give you the right to jump to conclusions.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
1. No, he didn't. He's omniscient - this means NOTHING depends on us, it's all been PRE-DESTINED already!
2. Well, it'd seem fair to me, too, but it's mot what the Bible say!!
3. Exodus 22:17, Leviticus 20:13, Leviticus 20:27, Leviticus 21:9, Exodus 31:12-15, Jeremiah 48:10 (!), Numbers 15:32-36 ... (If you've red the Bible you'd known this list could go on and on...)
Oh, it means THEY'd die? So the rest wouldn't die????
grozde 2 years ago
Then how could any test of faith towards God be a test when he already knows the outcome? You have too many flaws in things you say, you're judgementally quoting bible qoutes, and you can barely spell.... Welcome to fucking America
XxDeadsunxX 2 years ago
No, no, no - these are not MY flaws, these are the Bible's flaws! Don't blame me for them!
Personally, I find the entire "god playing hide and seek to test our faith" idea very dumb idea, but - again - that's not MY problem.
As a side note, sure my English is far from perfect, but it's one of the 6 languages I've studied, and it's NOT my native tongue, and i do NOT live in America... Not that I see any connection between all this and the biblical issues, but since you're bringing the matter...
grozde 2 years ago
So what languages have you studied? Judging by your name, I'd say you're either German, Dutch, Finnish, or Swedish. And if you want a connection for biblical issues, we can go there if you want, or you can read things I've posted on Bible Is Bullshit by VitaminTman
XxDeadsunxX 2 years ago
@XxDeadsunxX
What difference would THAT make??
And - no, you've guessed my nationality completely wrong... :-)
Thank you for your offer; I find the Bible itself intriguing enough - so much cruelty, nonsense and contradictions in one book... ;-)
grozde 2 years ago
@grozde It's a work of fiction to me, Fantasy as people would call it. It's insane a few men took a book, and turned it's actual meaning, into a means of control. It's quite sad, no?
XxDeadsunxX 2 years ago
@XxDeadsunxX
I guess the more absurd something is, the more willing are some people to believe it...
grozde 2 years ago
1. Did you honestly just say God did not give us free will?
2. That is not the point. You have no idea that it would save more souls because you do not know the true reality or the true extent of God's judgement. No one will know unti they die.
3. I read passages from there and I cannot find what your talking about. Not even anything close to it. Show me quotes or you have nothing.
No, the rest would die too obviously.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. WHEN did hi gave us free will? And HOW does he know IN ADVANCE what we're going to do if we have a choice?
2. So you're saying we don't know the truth of god until we die and meet him. Fine - screw the bible then, right?
3. Buy a bible,man! Or google it!
So, Jesus - according to you - was saying: "If a child is unruly - it will die. Some day. Like the rest of you." - WHAT'S THE POINT OF SAYING ANYTHING LIKE THIS?! Pull the bible out of your head and put your brain back in!
grozde 2 years ago
Just because he knows what he are going to do does not mean we don't have free will. If God decided what each and everyone one of us would do we would all be perfect. No one is perfect therefore we obviously have free will.
No not screw the Bible. The Bible tells us a lot. Not everything. It tells us what we need to know to get there. But we will never know exactly how God judges our souls.
I never said I understood his point of saying this. But it is still better than jumping to
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
conclusions like you do.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. God KNOWS today that TOMORROW I'll steal a potato.
If I don't steal it - he's not omniscient. So I have no choice (may be an ILLUSION of one!), I'm destined to steal it! And - again - WHEN was that free will given to us?
2. The bible tells us NOT to kill;but it also tells us to STONE or BURN people!...
And - by the way - if the Bible isn't telling it all - how do we know how much (and how important!) is missed?
grozde 2 years ago
1. Your perspective of this whole thing is distorted. God lives in no concept of time. He created time and put the universe inside of time. He did not write down what you were going to do, but he only knows because he is outside of the spectrum of time.
2. No it doesn't. People may have been soned or burned in the Bible, but no where does it say stone person x if they do y.
We don't know how important it is. It is not a bad thing to not know things. We just shouldn't assume we do.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. This claim was proven pointless so many times, but you people keep coming back with it (for the lack of a better explanation). BUT: no mater where HE lives, WE live "inside" time-space! So he KNOWS before MY time has come what I am going to do, therefore it's still pre-destined!
Again: WHERE did you pick up this "free will" from?
2. Admit it: you've NEVER read the bible!!!
grozde 2 years ago
1. Everything you said was true until the "pre destined" part. There is no "pre." For there to be a "pre" it would deal with a reference of time. Which in God's case their is not. For Christ's sake free will is Sunday school stuff. Even my little sister knows this.
2. I have read enough to know important facts. If I have not read something I don't act like I do and jump to conclusions like you do.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. Again: for GOD it might ne out of tieme; for ME it's INSIDE of time!
Free will is an illusion - that's my point! What do you call free will and when did you get it - answer these and you'd see!
2. I've quoted you below Numbers 15:32-35! "The man shall surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp." GOD COMMANDS IT!
grozde 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
And on you previous point 3: I'm not "jumping to conclusions", I'm just READING THE BOOK! You, on the other hand, are saying "I don't know what's the point and why he's saying it, but I'm sure he's not saying what he's saying!"
grozde 2 years ago
Then show me a quote that says anything close to what your saying.
No, I am just taking it for exactly what he said word for word. I don't add any more meaning to it like you do. To me put to death = put to death. To you put to death = I give permission to humans to kill children if they disobey their parents.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die...
NOW what?!!!!!
grozde 2 years ago
That is for an evil child. How often do you think that happens?
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
1. So you'd agree to stone a teenager who is "stubborn, rebellious, disobedient, glutton, and a drunkard"???
2. It DOESN'T MATTER how often it happens; the point is that your loving god COMMANDS parents to put their CHILDREN to death - for having a hard puberty even!!!
3. Do you think that there's ANYTHING that a child could do that would make his NORMAL parents put him to stoning? A N Y T H I N G ???!!! Yet the all-loving god COMANDS it!!!
grozde 2 years ago
You don't know the full entirity of what the child had done. Rebellious could mean to them that he is trying to kill THEM. "when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them"
It is obviously a last resort. God is never wrong.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
It DOESN'T say "a child that attempted parricide", it says "stubborn, rebellious, disobedient, glutton, and a drunkard"!!!
If your smart god wanted to say "parricidal child" - she should've said so! But what he said is UNRULY CHILD! If you read the ENTIRE bible - and not just the "nice" parts you'd come to many. many more gruesome commands and needs of your all-loving god!
But EVEN IF it's a parricide child-do you think it should be stoned?Do you think ANYBODY should be stoned?
grozde 2 years ago
@grozde This time actually try to read my last comment. She? God is definately a man.
If you believe Jesus is the son of God then you believe what he said as well. Which was to love one another and not do harm to one another. No matter what they do or who they are. I think that makes it pretty obvious that God did want us to kill each other.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
"She" was a typo, sorry!
But if god's a man - he's a damn lonely one. With hairy palms... But I digress.
That's the whole point: If you read the Bible, you'll see that God/JC command us to love each-other AND to hate each-other; to kill AND not to kill; to steal AND not to steal... Because the Bible is incoherent.
And I'm not asking you what GOD thinks is OK - I know he likes killing children; I'm asking you if it's OK by YOU!!!
grozde 2 years ago
You know he "LIKES" to kill children? How do you know he likes to do it? Technically he kills everyone, and everyone dies when they are meant to die. God does not want this to happen or not want to happen. It just is.
It is stated clearly in the Bible that murder is bad. People are not allowed to kill one another, and if they do it is a mortal sin. This is why the New Testament is much better at showing the true word of God.
sh4rpsh0t33 2 years ago
@sh4rpsh0t33
READ THE BIBLE!!!
How about God sending to bears to KILL 40-some children because they made fun of a bold prophet? How about ORDERING his people to KILL all breathing creatures in the conquered towns/kingdoms (cattle included!)
And the NT god is a dumb and crazy hypocrite! And before you ask me again 'Why" - please, GO READ THE ENTIRE BIBLE!!!
grozde 2 years ago
The Redman is the most presecuted race out there. This song I agree 100%. How would the Jews feel if they put Hitler on Money????? I'm mostly white but I still hear people make fun of Natives even to this day, but noooo don't make fun of the black man!!!! TV said it's wrong!!! In school you spend a half a semester on slavery but a only a week on the genocide of Natives. You wanna take a class on Native Am culture the course is named anthropology like we are apes something!!!!!!!!!
Anglinmayne 2 years ago 8
Maybe I would never been born thanks to those idiots taking over and breeding with indians. I think being born is hell!
carnypimp 2 years ago
misterdeeeep 2 years ago
This clip sucks.
RuudJH 2 years ago
all we have is what we create
you tainted paradigms can't relate
like a horse with blinders on
strap a bag of oats on your head
fuckin' sheep
toddawful 2 years ago
I really hate when people refer to catholics calling them CHRISTIANS... christians are those to follow what Jesus taught... and catholics are not even close to following jesus... so they are NOT christians....
mfantazzini 2 years ago
Catholicism is a division of Christianity just like Baptism, Lutheran, Judaism, and even Islam. It all stems from Christianity. Get your facts straight.
It's the source of all evil.
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago
I don't care about christianity, I care about following Jesus. Jesus said: those who love me, follow my commandments... 1 of them is THOU SHALL NOT KILL, and catholics ALWAYS killed, and still do. Did you know that the Vatican is directly linked to the Sicilian Mafia? So, YOU should get your facts straight. and "catholicism" is the source of all evil...
mfantazzini 2 years ago
Keep misleading and deluding yourself to justify your fundamentally sick beliefs.
IFloridaMotocrossI 2 years ago
Fuck you im sick of this mafia shit im more sicilian than any other of my backgrounds and dont put that mafia shit out there. WE ARE NOT ALL CATHOLIC OR CONNECTED ASSHOLE!
carnypimp 2 years ago
I am sicilian as well and I am not catholic or mafioso either.. did not understand the "asshole" part...
mfantazzini 2 years ago
I felt that some how you where one of those italian people calling sicilian people trash. I have had that problem asw of late.
carnypimp 2 years ago
it was all in the big plan... who are the invaders and who are the real killers?
Who ever posted this..are you native..I am.
You sure have guts to put this crap on.
nevadakidd63 2 years ago
best danm song ever, well, or at least really good
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dude???? what were did you guys get the stupid idea that christians killed indians??? look at your selfs!!!! GOD LOVES YOU!!!! MY GOD SOES NOT SATAN!!!!! WHE YOU GET OVER IT LET ME KNOW!!!
tugaa1234 2 years ago
you have never read a book in your life other then the bible obviously. They did kill native americans you idiot.
Connorpei 2 years ago
this is a hard core song, but it has its point
DrunkDumbFucks 2 years ago 4
MissEvaB
The LOUDNESS of the drums / background etc makes it VERY HARD to hear the MESSAGE
Can you Re-Do the video with better sound quality - I want to HEAR your MESSAGE! I want to HEAR the WORDS
meow1964 2 years ago
There was a comic in my high school economy book. There was a man saying that all immigrants should return to their country. Beside him was an Indian saying, "I'll help you pack."
FullFlowerModoi 2 years ago 9
lol, i saw it too ^^
PrinceOfDoubt 2 years ago
true song, give back what you took away ,,peace and love
timitune 2 years ago 3
A sad song. Watched a movie about this, and made me cry because Christians did kill Indians yet we celebrate it. Horrid.
FullFlowerModoi 2 years ago 7
Finally the truth the whole truth ,and nothing but the truth!!
noylat 2 years ago 5
How can anyone listen to this and not go insane?
TheAmazingImbecile 2 years ago
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."
-Albert Einstein
I do not believe in the God of theology who rewards good and punishes evil.
-Albert Einstein
stevenweir76 2 years ago
If God is not imaginary define it.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
God means different hings to many people, God to me is the great engineer as newton would say that set the laws of Physics into motion during the Big bang, with such precision that it had decimal precisions of 37, 40, 55, and even 121. there are 71+ precisions like that, and the existance of matter itself is precise to 1^10^123 decimals.
God is the 'old man' as Einstein would refer to him, that allows such harmony, uniformity, and precision that gives me blithe.
Define your Atheism.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Precise numbers??? We only need those numbers to measure energy comparisons. from to another. It's a human construct. Nature is, we just measure it with our decimals. If those numbers were any different then they are now and the universe still existed, would you still be amazed, or do you have an affinity for those numbers in particular. If you suffer emotional attachment to numbers I suggest you get away from numbers more. It will drive you crazy if you look for patterns where there are none.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Atheism means that I don't believe in God. I see no evidence that suggests a God, and even those who worship God, can't envision it. It is an irrational construct of imagination. Not just God, but anything metaphysical which I do not percieve. So I don't believe in ghosts, or esp either.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
ogirv101m why don't you try reading the Epic of Gilgamesh, which also predates the Bible.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
Amongst the Academy of sciences that number is 95% atheist, I am not talking about your average bachelor of science like you or I.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
First of all it isn't 95%, it's actually 92% which also includes Agnostics, and many of those Atheists are against the bullshit you're saying right now. Most of them are Atheist Agnostics not positive Atheists like yourself so you have no point there. Next, quality is better than quanity.
You have the majority, but I have the most influential and greatest scientists of all imte. The greatest by ranks are 1. Newton; 2. Maxwell; 3. Eisntein, who all believed in God. Two of them being Christian.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Quit claiming Einstein!! It betrays his memory, but you are correct of Newton and Maxwell. As for Newton, he had no reason to disbelieve as nothing was contrary to his field of study. I also have great respect for theistic scientists of the past, Maxwell also had no reason to disbelieve. But when you're talking Einstein, you're talking astrophysics, then your talking where science and religion diverge in philosophy and understanding.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"As for Newton, he had no reason to disbelieve as nothing was contrary to his field of study. I also have great respect for theistic scientists of the past, Maxwell also had no reason to disbelieve"
no one has reason to disbelieve, astrophysicist allows more belief in God, Einstein was extra religious even wrote a book on Science and Religion (though he was a Deist), neil Degrassi a famous modern astrophysicist is a fervent believer.
ogirv101 2 years ago
Astrophysicists know that every creation myth is wrong. Where is the multiverse in any creation myth? Where does it imply that matter and energy are one and the same? Which creation myth actually has the universe being created before the Earth and is not centered around the Earth. Earth is a infinitessemally small speck in the cosmos, but we are to believe that we are the most special place here in our universe. You think too small.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"Astrophysicists know that every creation myth is wrong"
Are you an Astrophysicist? Do you know all Astrophysicsit, stop claiming all this bullshit without evidence!!!!! Neil Degrassi once again one of the most influential scientists of our time an AstroPhysicist is a Christian!
Also no one is claiming a geocentric Universe so please stop this bullshit, you're making me angry and I will insult your beliefs if you keep on insulting mines, I have been on the defensive.
ogirv101 2 years ago
"how nature could possibly occur the way it has, you jump to the conclusion that there must be a mystical force? "
Yes, the uniformity of our Universe to me shows the blithe stately existance of a divine creator in my opinion. God the ultimate engineer not only gives me a sense of awe to the Universe, but it gives me this feeling that I can't comprehend when I look at the Universe through my feeble mind.
ogirv101 2 years ago
What uniformity, describe this uniformity and also describe how it could only come from God. If you can do part 2 of my question, you'll have a convert. I see waste and poor design myself. We have already created technology which exceeds that which nature has given us. Astronomy itself relies on using instruments which to us, are naturally invisible. Why is there diversity, nature would require many different engineers to fall into your definition, none of them omnipotent.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
You see poor design? well it has nothing to do with design, rather precision of our constants. The existance of matter in the Universe is set to the precision of a million billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion billion decimal places. That right there was discovered by Roger penrose a collegue of Stephen Hawkings, after that faithful day I started my path towards God and theological philosophy.
ogirv101 2 years ago
So how do you claim to know where it came from? In a multiverse of universes, which could have different constants than the ones you speak of, what then. Do you think that if these constants were different that nothing would have happened, or do you think that science just hasn't discovered where they come from yet. If God is not scientifically falsifiable, how does it pertain to nature anyway? We have measured the constants you speak of, but could existence occur if these were shifted. Yes.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"In a multiverse of universes, which could have different constants than the ones you speak of"
I hate to burst your Bubble but you can't explian the multiverse leaving hte comsological argument still in effect, also the multiverse has no empriical evidence, next if you believe what you said is true you follow Inverse gambler's fallacies and naturalistic fallacies ( I hate to point fallacies out since I use them alot).
God pertains to nature in its uniformity, look at precision of matter..
ogirv101 2 years ago
So, if they discover a multiverse exists, will you cease to believe in God.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
"So, if they discover a multiverse exists, will you cease to believe in God. "
Do you know who Michio Kaku is? I think you should do some research on hom and what he thinks religious reactions to the M-theory.
ogirv101 2 years ago
So, again, God is not falsifiable, there is no condition under which you will not believe in God. Give me one piece of information that could falsiffy God. You can speculate until you're blue in the face, but you will never prove God. Why not study that which we can understand? Unless this is a fanciful diversion for you, like when I read fantasy novels.
stevenweir76 2 years ago
I don't seek to prove God, looking at the Universe and its extreme precision suffices me with bliss in my soul. I simply believe in God because of Philosophy and Science, and I don't think you or anyone can change my mind, the same way I can't convince you to believe in God.
ogirv101 2 years ago
I think you are quite right about convincing you, that it can't be done, you convince yourself constantly enough by the sounds of it, like your entire existence hinges upon it. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Does it hurt to think that no person has ever actually written about the truth in theistic matters, or do you have to follow holy books? It actually makes more sense if you envision a pantheon rather than one God, that would explain the conflict inherent in our universe and lives
stevenweir76 2 years ago
" If there was a force that was mysterious and held the universe together against what we measured, that would be evidence of God. What you speak of is counterevidence"
WHAT? I don't understand a word you're saying, it isn't an argument for naturalistic explanation, that would be a naturalsitic fallacy. No, nature was started and it was started by, in my opinion, a being who decided to leave constants to extreme precisions.
ogirv101 2 years ago
IMO, the universe was started by intense vaccuum, simlar to matter from t