NH: Pro-liberty cop's boss claims insubordination - Epping

[mcgrawtim123]

The poor judgment arguments against the officer are more believable.

[mcgrawtim123]

5:30 "He disobeyed a direct order."

JHMFC!!! Are we not free men????

[militarysims]

No your not a free man when you become a police officer/EMS/Fire/Military. You follow the orders of the officers above you or you find your self in trouble and with out a job.

[ed2276]

Or at Nuremburg.

[pantadon]

There is a difference. Being police, fire and EMT (which is many times company contracted) means you're a civilian. They are all just jobs that you can lose at any time. Technically being a Policeman isn't that much different then being a metermaid. In fact cops were never meant to protect.

Now in the military the government does own you, yes. You still have some rights though. If you disobey the government does technically have the right to terminate you... and by terminate I mean kill.

[badace]

In the military the practice of collecting wrong doings to use at a later date is called "keeping books" on someone. Thia is illegal under the UCMJ.

As you guys know, even with their own people, it's all about compliance. No-questions-asked compliance!

[ed2276]

The chief is dredging up stuff from 2004...5 YEARS GO...as a basis to fire Jardis? This is nonsense! If those acts were indicative of poor judgment then the chief should have acted AT THE TIME to terminate Jardis. Obviously, it wasn't a big enough deal at the time to warrant termination and it is highly unfair to bring up past resolved issues from 5 years ago as a basis for termination now. The real reason the chief is out to get Jardis is because he went public, not for 5 year old matters.

[ed2276]

I wish you would not have focused so much on who was coming into the room, but rather had stayed focused on the arguments being presented at the table, which were far more important to the issue at hand than showing the faces of the audience.

Also, even in the military members are not bound to obey all orders...only all "lawful" orders. A soldier may refuse to obey an unlawful order, just as a cop may disobey an unlawful order.

[militarysims]

Yes but you also run the risk of ending up with Mp's dragging you off to jail. Or in a time of war in the field you run the risk of being shot. If this jackass cop knocked on my door at 1am to give me a ticket I would slam the door in his face. in the end the man always wins.

[RidleyReport]

we need someone else to do the taping of entire meetings and speeches. i can't easily do both that and be the ridley report but I did get dragged into it by being the only videographer. i ran a separate camera reluctantly to grab a continuous record. maybe can put that vid up but anyone can do that sort of thing. Ideally there should be one guy in the room documenting the whole thing by aiming at every speech and another capturing how it looks with some speech snippets.

[fczwartek]

Well what do you pay? I'd like to apply for the "speech snippet" position. I've got a technology degree so I can figure out cameras and computer software pretty quickly. I can make excel spreadsheets for you to help keep track of your ratings (or whatever else you're interested in.)

I'm interested in social justice and sticking it to "the man."

I also have a steady hand.

[JohnBabiuk]

The Police most certainly are not supposed to be a Military Unit. Corruption runs free when one cannot follow their conscience.

[p00lman]

Aha, so it's not the "Police Department" that tried and "failed" to fire him, it's ONE GUY.

Nice dishonesty in the previous video, Ridley.

[comradepinko]

Well it's two guys if I understood the complaints correctly. Two of his superior officers, so this is potentially 100% of the officers who have any say in him being fired. I don't know who exactly would have to want him fired to be able to accurately say "the department wants him fired", but it doesn't seem dishonest to me to just say "PD wants to fire officer" when a few commanding officers want to fire somebody.

[p00lman]

Obviously from the contents of the video, those superior officers DON'T have a say in whether or not he gets fired. They can only petition for it - same as any non-superior officer could petition a superior.

[comradepinko]

They don't have a say? Wouldn't there have been no hearing at all if they didn't want him fired?

[highline121]

The police chief only has the authority to recommend someone be hired/fired.

The board of selectmen is the "appointing authority."

[comradepinko]

That's what I thought. Thanks.

[p00lman]

You're getting into semantics again. Stop playing dumb.

[fczwartek]

I love that these people who hate the government show up in force at a hearing in support of a government agent.

Sweet, sweet ridiculous irony!

[Dewdaahman]

or subjugate people for their religion, race or beliefs..

[honeybees1]

I hate self important suit and ties.

[nataripol]

lol what does the millitary have to do with this he is a police officer.

[Estate17]

"I'm gonna do what I was told to do"

[Estate17]

If I"m ordered to kill some jews," I think I'll follow that order because I was told to do so. What an asshole

[chewbaca1989]

No, it's not a Military organization.

[MutantBamHammer]

"I view the police as a military organization..."

Wow. THAT guy should be kicked off the force.

[comradepinko]

He's not on the force. The board is not made up of officers.

[comradepinko]

Not sure why that comment got voted down. Was my statement incorrect? I would appreciate a correction when I am wrong.

[somecomputergeek]

I police chief can order an officer not to go to the press about an internal issue? How is that not a violation of the 1st Amendment?

Also, just because there is a trend in the militarization of the police DOES NOT mean that the police are now military and under the same rules as the military.

The only ones who should be fired are the people violating the constitution.

[Spideynw]

"It was an order, and it doesn't matter what the order was". So what, if he was ordered to shoot a bunch of kids he would just do it? What a fucking loser.

[SSILENTNATION]

HAHA - this guy cites someone at 1:30 am for having a door on a fridge....makes everyone in a restaurant ID themselves...flirts with young girls....feels he is above the speeding law cause he is a cop - and liberty minded folk continually state we need "more officers like Brad Jardis" - HILARIOUS.

[SSILENTNATION]

Oh I'm sorry - I see thumbs down, now I get it - you people actually SUPPORT police who enforce things such as Ian Freeman's couch debacle - or making patrons of a restaurant ID themselves upon demand - or holier than thou I'm a cop mentalities. Okay. Got it. You people don't know WHAT the hell it is you want - LOL.

[comradepinko]

He cited somebody for abandoning a fridge on their lawn, not having a door on it. I think the statement was that he went to the person's door and woke them up for leaving a fridge on their front lawn. While it's probably a good idea to just wait until an appropriate hour, I don't think this sort of thing was even worth mentioning.

Speeding and expecting it to be forgiven for being an officer is a much more serious allegation in my eyes. If this is true I would fire somebody for that.

[SSILENTNATION]

These people go apeshit when little old ladies from the U.S. census show up at their door at 3 in the afternoon - so I am going to take a wild stab in the dark that if this new dream cop Jardis showed up at 1 AM to cite Dave Ridley for a door on a fridge - porc411 would be lit up like Chevy Chase's house on Xmas Vacation.

[comradepinko]

You are almost certainly correct on that one. However I don't think that that justifies firing him, it just shows that some free staters overreact to the census or government agents in general.

I don't recall Ridley going crazy over a census worker either. I think he just told her he refused to participate and then she politely left.

[fczwartek]

'he refused to participate"

That is true. He refused to even talk to her for the first several minutes. He didn't even offer her any kind of explanation as to why he was acting like a freak.

Then the home owner felt the need to tell the gvmnt contractor lady his life story. It was all pretty bizarre,

Ridley should do more videos like that one.

[comradepinko]

Which video was this? The only one I recall was where he's just sitting by himself and an elderly woman talks to him.

I want to see some guy tell his life story to some hapless census worker. I think that could be pretty amusing.

[fczwartek]

The video I was referring to is called "NH: Feds Comb Grafton for Personal Data- Again" from the Ridley Report on Nov 6 of this year.

The woman wasn't a census worker but a contractor working for the dept of public health services. It's pretty funny.

[comradepinko]

Thanks, I had actually seen a different video where only Ridley was spoken to.

[highline121]

Again, I regret issuing said citation.

I would ask for forgiveness for issuing it as I believe it was wrong to do so.

That being said, I did not violate any department policy or law in doing so.

[highline121]

I regret issuing that citation and would ask forgiveness for doing so.

This was many years ago.