@BXTALE so then how can they listen who are willing if there are no discussions such as this one. its now all over the internet so millions can hear and learn from both sides. Jesus said "greater works will you do than I" and here we have the computer to also witness. God died for athests too and u need to have the same compassion fo them that God has for you. we aint made heaven YET! every saint has a PAST and every sinner has a FUTURE.
@721rem Everthing your saying is really nice and thoughtful But, I'm not in no mood to care for others who cleary clearly clearly don't care about me!
@BXTALE because the church is also a place of learning and hearing. it is a spiritual hospital for those looking for answers and hearing both sides of a story.
@BXTALE really stupid question. you can learn in church as well as school. and maybe it was because school isnt open on sundays............DUH! this is why americans are so dum and behind the rest of the world. u think only a "school setting" educates. well, it doesnt. u can learn on your job, in the streets, at home, in church, in the military, a hospital. education is everywhere, LIKE GOD!
@721rem No what you just said is ignorant. My point is why go to a church? They could of had this outside in a park or something. There are a million other places you can go! This whole debate to me is foolishness...its not going to get anywhere and I feel if people don't believe in God, so what...who cares? That's them! If people believe in God like myself...whos business is that, NO ONES!! Debate over people beliefs are stupid! It's a waste of time!
@BXTALE debating is NOT a waste of time. souls are dying lost and if anyone was helped by this meeting, it was worth it. didnt u hear kirk cameron say he use to be an athiest??? it was the arguement of God's existence or not that caused kirk to start to question, pray and seek God and in doing so, his soul was saved and now he is witnessing. debates are not a waste. someone somewhere is thinkin twice now and may even say a small prayer that open them up to God. where's the love for souls?
@721rem What is a soul? Have any evidence that it exists?
What is prayer? How is that indistiguishable from positive self talk? Actually, positive self talk works better than prayer..prayer has as much odds of working as a roll of a dice.
And do you believe EVERYTHING someone tells you? Kirk was never an athiest in the first place - evidence is when he describes what he had as "blind atheism," a term used BY religious people who have no understanding of what atheism is.
Not only that, when he claims he was a so-called atheist, Kirk describes himself as a "devout atheist." There is no such thing as a "devout atheist." One cannot be "devout" towards disbelief, towards a position on a claim.
The terms he uses "blind atheism" "devout atheist" ..these are terms that attempt to define atheism as a religion when it is not. I've seen others try this tactic, describing atheism as a dogmatic belief, trying to tie it into religion.
When will you theists realize that the message doesn't matter if you can't even prove the being you are basing your message on even exists?
What does "god bless you" mean anyway?? I've asked you on several ocassions to provide evidence for this thing you keep referring to as "god"...the whole term is MEANINGLESS when it's based on a meaningless , undefined, unproven concept.
@721rem No it is a waste of time in my opinion...if souls are dying thats not up to me if the person doesnt want to listen like that ignorant red hair lady with the big fake boobs in the video...at the end of the day God will be the one to determine these people that supposedly have no faith in him and do not want to listen to him! I can only worry about myself and people that are willing to listen!
Impressive presentation. God, in his infinite wisdom, designed the nosebridge & 2 ears at just the right place for the eyeglasses. Hallelujah. BTW Banana is Plantain made by man. I like Believers' tactics to win arguments. Keep up the good work. God bless you for defending Him. Atheists become believers at deathbeds. Believers have found what Scientists are looking: Salvation. Scientific proof God exists:
So according to Ray the 3rd evidence of god's existence... 1. believe in god 2. ask/seek for forgiveness 3. god will reveal himself. No, you fool. Do you go about believing in anything BEFORE it is revealed to you? The way it should work: 1. god reveals himself. 2. believe in god. 3. ask/seek for forgiveness. By believing BEFORE seeing, god can be whatever your brain manifests him to be. This is why there are so many different religious sects and beliefs. FAIL.
@BastEternal the bible says that before u ask anything of God you must come BELIEVING that he IS and that he is a rewarder of them who diligently seek him believe u have recieved that which u ask of him. everyday we do things believing them before they are revealed. a baby being conceived, a job interview, a seed brought at a store to grow a plant. we believe before the revelation comes. so that throws ur whole remark out the window. IF u believe in windows, haha!
@721rem You have given me no reason to believe that what "the bible says" is true.
The fact that you keep saying one must believe first, THEN everything will be "revealed" shows me that your religion rewards blind gullibility.
I don't do things "believing them before they are revealed."
Seeds grow because we have seen them grow, we know what seeds do based on past performance. We know how conception works - we know how windows are built.
So you believe in "god" like you believe in job interviews? I guess so, you seem to "believe in windows."
What's next? Believe in god like you believe that a chair won't break before you sit on it?
See, humans have proven capable of building a structurally-sound chair, and there are millions upon millions of chairs that can be used as an example.
@BastEternal God did reveal himself first, its called THE BIBLE. but u dont wanna believe it nor even give God the respect and the chance so therefore, unlike satan, God is a gentleman who will NOT force himself on you. and besides, the God who created you and knows the number of hairs on your head DOES NOT HAVE TO ANSWER ON YOUR TERMS! i think u can give God a little more respect than that sweetheart.
I reserve my respect for human beings, not figments of fantasy, unlike you who resorts condescending name calling..when did I become your sweetheart?
If you can't provide proof and evidence of your god, I am justified in believing that your god doesn't exist. I'm not going to waste my time respecting a non-existent thing, first of all, and if the god you believe in is the Judeo-Christian one, THAT god hasn't earned my respect, and never will.
@BastEternal go ahead, i will not argue with you. you can mock the lord Jesus christ, the son of the living God all you want. he has the heaven and the hell to put you in. I don't. I've shared what i shared. and for the record, not all chairs are structurally sound. even buildings have been known to collapse because of either old or poor foundations, yet you will walk into one without asking the city for records. no one tests chairs before sitting in them. u just walk in, see a chair,sit
@721rem What are you talking about? I can't mock a thing I don't believe exists. Where is your evidence of your "living god" version?
And for the "record," I already know not EVERY chair is structurally sound..that wasn't my point and you know it.
Ask yourself WHY people don't generally test chairs before sitting ON them. And no, it's not because they have "blind faith" the chair is going to hold them up.
@BastEternal and yet, I guess because YOU havent SEEN anything "of" or "from" GOD, others dont have testimonies of how God came through for them. unfortunately for U, the bible states that the christain walk is a faith walk. we walk by FAITH and NOT by SIGHT. sounds to me like God is saying believing is seeing, not the other worldy way around. smooches!
Personal testimonies are only meaningful to those who claim to have had them. Just because other people claim they've seen things personally is not justification for me to believe.
Faith is believing without evidence. If you prefer that type of walk, just blindly stepping forward without seeing the path and "trusting" some sky daddy to help lead the way, then by all means go for it, whatever floats your boat..
@BastEternal wow, since when did calling someone "sweetheart" considered name calling. you act like i called u an idiot or jerk or cussed you out and all. wow. sweetheart, i guess i really went off the road there huh. again, believe what u will. every knee shall bow and every tongue WILL confess in that great and terrible day that Jesus is lord! MAN DOES IT TAKE A GOD TO HAVE PATIENCE FOR AND DIE FOR THE LIKES OF SCOFFERS AND ATHIEST AND YOU! i guess satan has your best interest at heart?
@721rem *yawn* now you're resorting to silly empty threats..you haven't even provided evidence for your god version....why do you think your silly superstitious death threats will work on me?
How can something there is no evidence for have my best interest at heart? PEOPLE have my best interest at heart. And die for me? So "god" is dead?
And how can I scoff that which I don't believe even exists? Have you provided any evidence that it does?
@BastEternal the evidence is believing and letting God talk to u and show u things. Hebrews 11:1 says "Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for, the EVIDENCE and things UNSEEN." the letters in FAITH stand for "Finding an impossible trial hopeful."
There are people who communicate with aliens, actually talk to them and they swear that the aliens show them things..
They're called schizophrenics.
Your god version is no different than butt-probing aliens. They are 100% indistinguishable.
Repeating words out of a book is not evidence of a god. Typing the words FAITH, SUBSTANCE, HOPE AND EVIDENCE is not proof of anything either..they're just words. They hold no special powers.
@BastEternal God is NOT dead. he sent his son Jesus to become the sacrificial lamb on the cross and when the physical flesh of Jesus died, Jesus descended into heaven and sent back a "comforter" known as the HOLYGHOST. in the O.T. bible, man had to kill animals to atone for sins and only the priests could do such. In the N.T. bible Jesus became that lamb so that today we can go to God and repent and be saved and live for him and witness to others and be ready when the rapture comes.
Really? Then provide evidence for your "God" version.
Your post is going on the presupposition that a god exists..so it's pointless to argue as if your god definition does exist to someone who is NOT CONVINCED that your god version, or ANY god(s) for that matter, exists.
Prove your god exists first, then you can go on bible thumping about meaningless words like holy ghosts and atonement for sins and repents and whatever other religious word you can think of.
@Mcommander23 You may want reinvestigate the book of Mark!... they have found writings of Mark that is only 5 to 6 years from the crucifixion of Yahshua(Jesus)
Even if I accepted his arguments from V1 and V2 with this, which I don't. I would ask him why particularly his "proof" necessarily demands that the Christian god must be the true god, why cant it be Zeus, Baal, Thor, Shiva, or the Golden Calf? If we take his argument and concede that creationism is true, what is the evidence that it is the Christian god? We know who the painter is, we know who the builder is, how are you so certain who the "creator is"?
@Mcommander23 There are all sorts of reasons why We believe Jesus is God. I don't really want to get into a debate here, but you should look it up and find out what evidences there are. Good luck
@hughesjd83 There is no evidence that Jesus is god. The bible is not evidence and if you were able to submit it as such I would counter submit Harry Potter as evidence to say that Hermione Granger is god. I also have a deep theological and philosophical education and I am an atheist because of that, not in spite of it. There is no evidence that there is a god, let alone a specific god such as Jesus, and I think you will find that if you begin truly looking for real evidence beyond the bible.
@Mcommander23 There is a lot of evidence outside of the bible that Jesus existed. It's funny how people will look at other history books and wont question those, but they totally discredit the gospels as a written historical record. Alexander the Great was written 400 something years after his death, but no one ever doubts he existed. Once you can prove that Jesus existed it's a matter of whether He was God or not. I am curious though why you became an atheist from your education?
@hughesjd83 I never said Jesus did not exist... but why do you think he is a god? What is your evidence that he is a god aside from biblical accounts? I became an atheist because I sat around and thought about what I was reading instead of accepting it. I educated myself in Latin and Greek and read religious documents dating back a thousand years, and I realized that clergymen were fond of making things up. I am well read in the sciences and I find their methods are honest and knowledge seeking.
@Mcommander23 Your arguments have been debunked & are simply not true. This whole discussion doesn't come down to evidence because there is plenty of it. You just don't want to know God & live in your sin. Even if you saw God face to face you still wouldn't believe. Jesus fulfilling over 300 specific prophesies written hundreds of years before he was born is proof enough of his divinity. I've also done my research & realized the bible is true & you cannot disprove the word of God.
@hughesjd83 Debunk the arguments then. You haven't given one piece of evidence, you go back to your talking points in the bible. If I saw god face to face of course I would believe, and I would like to see the legitimate prophecies you speak of. You are referring to stories, fiction, not fact. And they are never told by the people who were there, only by the people who spoke to the people who spoke to the people who were there. Muslims can make the same claims as you, why are they wrong?
@Mcommander23 Don't you get it though, you can't see God because you choose not to believe He exists. God gives you the choice to either love him or not love Him. When you choose to not love Him you separate yourself from Him. Since God is truth your mind cannot comprehend God because you chose to separate yourself. God is only giving you what you want. You can know God if you just ask Him into your life. There is plenty of evidence that God exists. The universe is evidence of His creative power
@hughesjd83 I'm sorry but what you are saying is a disgrace to human reason. You believe god is the truth because you were indoctrinated to believe that. Every religion on Earth can make equally grand claims as yours can. Why is the Koran wrong? Why were the Ancient Greeks wrong? What is inherent in your beliefs that makes them more believable than theirs? Belief without real evidence is blind to reason.
@Mcommander23 lol, this is going nowhere obviously. look, I was not indoctrinated in anything and no one turned me to God except myself. I used to be a doubter and thought just like you. I still have questions, but the other reasons people have are all bad religion and not science like they claim. I'm sorry but to believe that I evolved from a lower life form that evolved from dead matter all by random chance, is silly and you have to have a lot of faith to believe it.
@hughesjd83 And I used to be a believer and thought just like you. I was in seminary school for two years, and in that time I realized that the bible is man made entirely. If Jesus every existed, which I believe he did, he was nothing like what the bible says about him. There are gospels that are not in the bible that tell a totally different story. Is it possible there is a god? Yes. But I think it is very, very unlikely based on the evidence. You are 100% certain there must be, how?
@Mcommander23 how can you say Jesus was never like what the bible says he was like if he existed? where is your reasoning? Luke was a physician, Mathew was a tax collector who had to know how to read and write. these guys were not illiterate. Luke has been said to of been one of the greatest historians of all time. That is not a good case against Christianity to say it was written by illiterate men. You can't say anything that hasn't already been debated and debunked.
@hughesjd83 I find it interesting that you picked the synoptic gospels. Mark and Luke did not write their own gospels, theologians accept that. The date of the writing is unclear but it could be anywhere from 100 AD to 350 AD. The content is that of using other Gospels as primary source documents (Luke uses Mark as does Mathew). If Mark is untrue then the basis for Luke, Mathew, and others are also untrue. Falsehood begets falsehood when the source goes unquestioned.
@hughesjd83 I believe in evolution because it is a theory that happens to fit the facts. If you taxonomically organize all creatures on the planet that live today and compare them to extinct species you can place everything on a tree and say "this and this came from that". Drug resistant bacteria is micro evolution that we can see under a microscope happening right before our eyes. Evolution is not a theory, it is a fact, there is much more evidence for evolution than there will ever be for god.
@Mcommander23 Barrow and Tiplar 2 physicists calculated the probability for the evolution of the human genome to be somewhere of 4 to the -180th power to the 110000th power and 4 to the -360th power to the 110000th power so if evolution did occur it was literally a miracle & therefore evidence of God. Evolution is not fact. No one has observed a species evolve into another species. We all have the same evidence but different presuppositions.
@Mcommander23 Don't you get it though, you can't see God because you choose not to believe He exists. God gives you the choice to either love him or not love Him. When you choose to not love Him you separate yourself from Him. Since God is truth your mind cannot comprehend God because you chose to separate yourself. God is only giving you what you want. You can know God if you just ask Him into your life. There is plenty of evidence that God exists. The universe is evidence of His creative power
@Mcommander23 Science is based on causality, every event has a cause. Things don't happen just out of the blue. The universe had a beginning, so the cause had to be eternal. it wasn't the universe since it had a beginning, it wasn't physical processes they are not eternal and fizzle out. The only causal entity we know is a will. It can't be a blind will, in view of our experience it's inconceivable. The only plausible cause, was an intelligent will which is God. This is where the evidence leads.
@hughesjd83 What was Gods beginning then? Who created him? And you are not offering up evidence, you are drawing conclusions based on numerous faulty assumptions.
If god is Omniscient , then he must know what decisions he is going to make before he carries them out. Therefore God cannot be omnipotent because he lacks the will to change his mind.
@Mcommander23 How am I drawing up assumptions. its proven fact that all events need a cause. God is not an event and had no beginning. He created Time. The universe could not have been infinite because you cannot have an infinite number of past events. It just isn't possible, we would of never gotten to today. All you are doing is distorting who God is and confusing yourself, God doesn't contradict Himself, and cannot go against His own nature, doesn't mean He is not God.
@Mcommander23 You say stories that were told by people who where never there. You are wrong about that, they were eye witness accounts. The only writings on Alexander the Great were from 2 biographies written 400 years after his death. Do you doubt that? You can't say Christianity is false because it was not written by people who were there, even though they were. IT would of died out if it was fake and made up. also it was totally against what the Jews believed the messiah was to be.
@hughesjd83 Jesus did exist, but I think you will find that any account of his life prior to the 3rd or 4th century will never refer to him as divine. The trappings of Christianity took hundreds of years to form, what started as a way of life became a cult based on a great fiction novel, its the Scientology of the Middle Ages.
@SlayerofFiction This will be my first and last comment directed towards you. It doesn't matter what I used to be, it only matters that I am a changed man and am no longer the wicked person I once was. I Praise God everyday for changing my life for the better and I'm proud of that. You may choose to believe in anything you want or you may choose not to believe in anything, either way, in the end, God will be praised and will be given the Glory whether you're being punished or saved.
@SlayerofFiction You need to be saved from death. We are punished because God is just and cannot let sin go unpunished. If He did it would be the same as a court judge just letting people go free from murder, theft, or whatever. Since we all die and sin has to be punished, Jesus took the punishment upon himself because He was the only one who didn't deserve to be punished. Since all mankind has sinned God is the only one who is perfect so He became a man who was Jesus. Only humans can die.
@SlayerofFiction You need to be saved from death. We are punished because God is just and cannot let sin go unpunished. If He did it would be the same as a court judge just letting people go free from murder. Since we all die and sin has to be punished, Jesus sacrificed Himself and took our punishment so we can know God. You can't understand the things of God when you don't believe He exists. If you humble yourself and seek God He will reveal Himself to you.
@hughesjd83 what a horrible life you live, living in fear of your master day in and day out, waiting to be punished because you deserve to be like some sort of a dog tied to a short chain and forgotten in the back yard.
@SlayerofFiction You don't even know me nor what kind of life I live. People who don't know Christianity think God is up there just waiting to make you miserable and not letting you have any fun. It's a huge misconception. Living a Godly life is the best life you could live. The life of an atheist is, there's no purpose to life, we are just here with no reason what so ever. Do whatever feels good and if it hurts someone else, who cares. Knowing God brings peace to your life that only He can give
@hughesjd83 Bullshit, atheists are good people too, except we dont need Imaginary friends. Btw, I know the bible very well, I bought into all that when I was younger and didnt understand life, I also have read the Quran, Buddism/taoism, various pagan religions, and now in htep process of reading Hinduism the worlds oldest religion.
@SlayerofFiction I never said atheists are bad people, i have some atheist friends that are really good people, but being good wont save you from death and Gods wrath. We will never meet Gods standards. You really cannot say for absolute fact that God doesn't exist because you would have to know everything there is to know about this universe, which you don't. So if there is even a 1% chance that He exists don't you think you would want to know? You're obviously searching, I hope you find Him.
@eichoob2105 You are right on. One thing that atheists don't realize is how many millions upon millions of lives have been drastically changed for the better all because they turned to God.
I am smarter than all of these dummies. They all get so off track and the arguments are obviously circular. Heres my answer. No one knows shit. When you die, it is either lights on or lights out. In the meantime enjoy the ride. Oh and a good counter argument to where did God come from and who created God is the same one they use for the universe. They claim they dont need a creater that the Universe Just Was. Did it not occur to them That they could say the same thing about God, He Just was
@Adrianrosariopr Nevertheless this doesnt not answer the question concerning the primary mover and none of this will be answered till you die. Take a look at some youtube vids of people who have died and its not just a biological thingy that happens when the optical nereve shuts down these people are real and you can tell there is no bullshit in there story and for me I like to believe yes. Why not. Im not concerened with dying nor do I believe out of fear. I simply just have faith
@holyjesus they died in the same way jesus died: they didnt.Oh jesus did not die and please dont start the religious shit Im not religious. I dont use youtube arguments they are real events. I mean suit yourself man believe what you like Im happy with my faith and I love the youtube NDEs very informative and there are sooooo many of them. Got to love it
That's what I said. Therefore he did not die for anyone's sins. He may have had an NDE, key word "EXPERIENCE".
"I dont use youtube arguments they are real events."
You *believe* they are events that really happened to someone else. Has no one ever told you a story that you didn't believe? What criteria did you use to determine it? Were they on TV with camera edits, was it face to face, or had you some knowledge that suggested the experience did not happen?
@holyjesus Well I hear ya on that but we are not talking about a singular case, we are talking about 1000s and 1000s so the likely hood that some of them if not many are real is increased exponentially
Well, the two biggest religions are mutually exclusive, and billions of people believe both. Billions is more than 1000s. Billions of people can fully believe something that is false.
@holyjesus Until we die we know nothing about what is real or false. With respect to jesus the man had it together with knowledge of the human condition wether he was god incarnate I have no idea but I do have faith that something bigger lies behind the origins of the universe and it isnt NOTHING and it did not come from NOTHING. Thats just how I see it and I see Evil and Good and its not moral choices developed from culture, it is something really sinister
"Until we die we know nothing about what is real or false."
It is more probable, based on every instance we know about death, that death marks the end of our ability to know, because our brain functions as living matter. I would amend your statement to "*When* we die we know nothing *...*"
"I do have faith that something bigger lies behind the origins of the universe"
Your statement assumes that the universe originated in a comprehensible way. It's more likely that the universe is the property of an interaction between dimensions that are incomprehensible to our limited human minds. An analogy might be the *friction* between oil and water.
@holyjesus Well that is certainly something I can agree on. It appears the universe certainly came to be in ways that are incomprehensible and in that lies the mystery. As I always say it is either lights out or lights on when we die. Just that simple. Id say there are other planets. id say you could come back, move on etc etc etc. I mean the moment you die you could very well be born again within an instant. So many possibilities. It will be very interesting to find out
@holyjesus Welll my friend that is your faith and certainly something you cannot know with absoluet certainty. Although the data gained so far scientifically makes it appear so it does not make it so. I trust whole heartedly that there is consciousness after death, a spirit realm. These debates can be endless I know that is why it is called faith. I know it is very hard for a non believer in an after life but it isnt for me. For all you knowyou might even come back after all your here once
Wellll brother, that is not faith, that is an analogy, I am not stating that I believe it to be the truth.
"...makes it appear so it does not make it so..."
Do you understand that this standard erodes any potential truth from your faith belief? Your faith appears true based on inferences from your emotions. The natural foundation of the universe appears true based on inferences from observable, comprehensible, confirmable reality.
@holyjesus Ah my friend so true but it is also true that much can be studied scientifically that is not observational or tangible to the naked eye. It appears as with many scientists that worth studying is that which is tangable and observational. Unconsious thought processes are not tangible yet they can be scientifically demonstrated to exist and have been. It is all how you apply the scientific method and with that I apply it to spiritual forces that you call emotions
@skates89 I propose that the feelings we call guilt shame self loathing pity are a product of a realm ( spiritual )outside of oursleves that are innate within us. When we deviate from these Higher moral standerds we feel the effects and them within. It is as if this higher being, creater prime mover has embued us with these dynamics so that we are never rewarded spiritually when doing wrong. When we do right we reap the spirtual reward of joy and happiness. Note the correlation
I think you mean "observable". Scientific instruments exist that amplify, magnify, and otherwise make observable what is unavailable to our organic senses.
The unconscious, originally Freud's idea, is not a theory that receives wide support in psychological fields any longer. "Unconscious" is now short-hand for "automatic thinking developed through habit"... in other words there's not a little spirit sitting back in your head hiding certain thoughts and realities from you.
@holyjesus Since when is the Unconscious not a widely supported dynamic. You are kidding right ? It is well supported and generally used by social psychologists in marketing stratagies and it can and has been scientifically supported and I know well it was originally a part of freuds topographical modle of the mind. Automatic thinking through habit ha lol sorry but no, research demonstrates memory contructs of stored information within the unconscious and there is nothing automatic about it
Unconscious now means "un-systematic" and refers to behavioral patterns that work just well enough for the individual to exist in a social reality. "The unconscious" is not a portal to a higher reality as Jung thought, as enunciated in his theory about "The Collective Unconscious".
Eloctrodes have been used to measure the electrical charge that passes through neurons, and reliably correlated with perceived stimuli. fMRI illustrates brain function's correlation with emotion.
@holyjesus I have a BA in Psychology and research methodology. I wont argue with you with respect to what you are saying with respect to hung, again it is all speculation and sorry but unconscious thought processes have been scientifically demonstrated to exist. If I say to you apple at that very mooment the memory of an apple will come to the for front conscious of your mind. Its origins however are a product of stored info in the unconsious of which you recall. This is the why of subliminal
@holyjesus you are only demonstrating the how of it not the why or the source It is like reinventing the wheel and tells me nothing about the origins. I know the process is inherant within but the agent of the design is still unknown. Look at the correlation between good deeds feelings bad deeds and feelings which seems to be universal within the human condition. Thats a pretty dam good design if you ask me
You are presuming that there is a why, an agent. How does refer to origins, but the origins may be incomprehensible to our minds. That means your belief in god is a place holder for that incomprehensible origin, and the assumption of the incomprehensible origin does not necessitate a god. Your emotional demand that the incoherent be coherent allows you to fabricate the place holder.
I can't believe hypocritical that preacher was - he begins by saying that he will offer scientific evidence of gods existence, then goes on and on trying justify pseudo-science with faith based biblical nonsense. Man, he surely is going to hell, cause he said hypocrites are sinners...and sinners go to hell.
The Aetheist Man States he doesnt Make an Absolute claim that No God Exist, but he does not believe in a God .. WOW..if you cannot make an absolute claim that GOD doesnt exist then why debate about it. The Aetheist man himself doesnt even know what to believe in.
@dboysan Who can? You cannot prove absolutely that no god exists, simply because there is not enough evidence to support its existence or non-existence. Likewise, a believer cannot make an absolute claim that God does exist, but they tend to do so with a little thing called "faith". No one alive in this world can know for certain. But the atheist believes it is highly improbable as to be impossible, much the same as a fairy that collects teeth or a fat man with flying reindeer.
You're obscuring the meaning of faith. Do you have faith that there is no Thor? Or do you just perceive at as an irrelevant myth and not worth believing in?
@dboysan The debates come naturally when god lovers impose their beliefs on society, and when guys like these two clowns walk the streets provoking people. Being discriminated against for a lack of belief is also a reason. Also, I AM an atheist man, and I can sure as fuck tell you what I DON'T believe in! I can't BELIEVE you asked that question.....dumbass!
Given that the earth has been around for a long long long and even longer time and people have been around for a long, long, long time why did it take The Great I Am, the Alpha and Omega so long to be able to reveal itself to man?
I came to realize that atheists had some sort of negative experience involving the idea of a God at some point in their lives. Plus, science is not perfect and darwinism has never been proven. It's still a theory until prove, right? Also, if the idea of a Creator that hasn't been created by nothing is so unacceptable, so is the idea of "nothing creating something" that science brings us with the Big Ban theory, which by the way, it's also just a theory. Nothing has been ever proven.
@mikamiller2008 You realized wrong then. Atheists, most of them, just had some sort of curiosity that leads them to question what had been taught. Read about pagan religions from where most of Jesus and Christianity came from. Do you know how many gods were born from a virgin? Have you ever imagined that you could very well be hindu that worships Ganesh if only you had been born in another side of the world? And you know what else is just a theory? Gravity. Guess nobody told you yet.
@lovemrdarcy : @lovemrdarcy : Whoa whoa whoa! Why do you have to be rude in your response? Don't you want freedom of speech in your country? That requires knowing how to apply it. Offending people and showing anger toward somebody's opinion is not the wisest way to exercise that right. It shows immaturity and lack of humbleness.
All she said was that she believes in the POSSIBILITY of a newborn child to understand the presence of SOMETHING higher that is above all. Chill, Darcy!
@TheBlogChic Whoa whoa whoa! What exactly I said that is offending?? Please show me because for whoever does not agree with both sides you surely looked biased if you can find anything in my post that is offensive. Unless you take every argument against yours as an offence. Rather I was called arrogant. One may say that the post was offensive. You are weird and you are the one needing a chill maybe?
@TheBlogChic You realize that just saying an argument is faulty is not really much contribution to a conversation, right? And by conversation I mean no curse words, no calling names although I certainly will not get offended if you disagree with me.
Yes, that's all true. How can science ever hope to compare to Christianity, the followers of which all know and believe the exact same thing about Jesus, and all live life according to the same ideas and principles? It's astonishing that anyone can doubt the truth of Christianity when its so unambiguous, coherent and perfect?
I would love for somebody to make an experiment putting a newborn child alone in an environment and observing if this child grows to be inclined to believe in a higher being or not. Every single people, tribe, nation in the world believes in the existence of God. How can someone prove that we are born atheists?
I think the atheist side is so arrogant! They say they are good people but they are surely not humble.
@mikamiller2008 By inclined you mean that the child would naturally come up with a god of its own to explain the rain, the thunder and any of the things that he wouldn't understand? Or do you really believe an unborn child already has a God all made up of his own? We are born atheists simply because we are not even aware of our own existence, even more the existence of a higher being, that's what they mean by saying you are born an atheist.
@mikamiller2008 And what is the logic about the point that every nation and tribe believes in the existence of God therefore an newborn must believe in it by osmosis? The point is exactly that a child gets his indoctrination from their tribe, nation. Which god would you believe in if you were born in an Amazon isolated tribe before colonization? And mostly, would this god be any more real than any of others?
@mikamiller2008 Maybe you need to be humble to accept your own arrogance? I'm an atheist and I have no problem in saying that I could be wrong. One physical evidence would change my mind on the existence of a god. A believer however is so arrogant that they flat out say that there will never be any evidence or argument that will make them at least think about that they may be wrong. I admit that I do not know everything and I may be wrong about God. I dare you to say the same. Humble.
If you're looking from a completely designed point of view, it just feels like this is so oddly designed, all these rules that make no sense and complete lack of inspiration it gives to so many people. Why does God make it so hard to believe in him, I just cannot bring myself to believe it in logical terms. Any seriously religious person needs to re-evaluate his/her stance in this universe as it just doesnt make sense.
@Homeosaurus There is no "delusion of time", keeping us from the garden of Eden. It's sin. God kicked out Adam and Eve because of it. I suppose I was a bit unclear about being "separated" from God. I didn't mean that he wasn't there. I meant that we are separated from his love. The love which you experience when you give your life to Jesus. Anyway, if God were not present, then we would be in the absence of God, which is how hell is described. "The absence of God will be their punishment".
@JSAirways "We were perfect, but then we decided to go against God and sinned, which made us imperfect. However, it was necessary for God to give us free will, or else we wouldn't be able to love. -> God is a God of love -> you need free will to love and love God." is crazy talk. You either need to comes to terms with god in any sense of the meaning is imaginary or quit talking crazy talk. Keep it to yourself. It's annoying to listen to and irritating to put up with.
@splicedenergy no one forced you to read my comments. If it annoys you, that's your problem. I'm just doing what every Christian should do and that is spreading the word of God and telling everyone about the offer he is making every human on this planet. You can either accept it or leave it. But I assure you I will not stop until I die.
@JSAirways There's no such thing. The bibles are rough translations of the sumerian tablets, written 12000 years bc. With help from the Nephelim, otherwise known as the ancient aliens. No god, just people visiting from outer space. They came here to mine gold, they taught primitive humans alot and its said that they genetically altered our dna to excellerate our evolution. They provided the skinny and we've fucked the translation all up and then men added and ommitted whatever they wanted to
@splicedenergy Okay, I can see you're one of those who don't accept it. But just remember this: When you die and it turns out that God dose exists, don't think that you can get away with saying there wasn't enough proof of his existence for you to believe and that any punishment you receive is "unfair".
This argument works for any and every religion with a punishing god. You can't differentiate this threat as truth because of it. If god would let others be fooled to believing in Islam or Hinduism, who's to say that god wouldn't let you be fooled into believing Christianity?
@holyjesus I'm sorry, it's been a while since i wrote these comments, so I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to. I also apologies if I seem to be contradicting my self though. Trying to say exactly what I mean never was my specialty and english isn't my first language... And this probably sounds like some lame excuse, but it seems like no one really takes me seriously anyway... So if you want to discuss any of the comments I wrote, let me know which one exactly you meant.
@holyjesus I'm sorry, I can't follow you. It's been AGES since I posted something here, so I really don't know what exactly you are talking about and I'm not going to look up every one of my posts, which are kind of hard to find here...
Your intellectual laziness is showing. You hit ctrl-F on your keyboard. This gives you a "find" tool. You type in a phrase from one of these comments and the browser will find it for you. Then that neat little bar on the right has a highly technological function called "scroll". Comments are generally in chronological order.
If you just don't care about replying, admit that to yourself and to me.
@holyjesus Is it so hard, just to tell me what you want to discuss with me? And why so rude all of the sudden? Did I offend you in some way? I can see that it doesn't even matter what you want to discuss with me. You're just looking for a fight. And making fun of Christians seems like the easiest thing for you to do. So why should I even bother starting that kind of a discussion with you, when you probably won't care about what i say anyway. How about we just have a row over diapers or seomthing
The comments are in the exact order that they were made. That's the beauty of text- everything discussed is right there before your eyes. It's not rude to suggest common sense. You are being too sensitive.
That was like I called my ex roommate and sent him all this information about a call from child services, including the phone number. He asked me, by typing out a full message in text, what the area code was- instead of trying on the phone the two possible area codes.
@holyjesus I went through all my replies and tried to figure out, what you were referring to but still couldn't quite figure it out. "Uh... it's the post right above the one you replied to."
Isn't a helpful reference, as I posted a few replies. My last post was 6 months ago for crying out loud! You can't expect me to remember too much from then.
Anyway, we seem to have sidetracked a bit off the subject. So once again, what do you want to discuss with me?! We're not getting anywhere like this
But love [agape] your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. (Luke 6:35)
@Homeosaurus 1.John 3,4-8: Those who sin are opposed to the law of God, for all sin opposes the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take our sins, for there is no sin in him. So if we continue to live in him, we won't sin either. But those who keep sinning have never known him or understood who he is. Dear children, don't let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it is because they are righteous as Christ. But when people keep on sinning they belong to the Devil...
@Homeosaurus If we were not separated from God, we would all still be in the garden of Eden. We are clearly not and it is mentioned many times in the bible, that we are separated from God through sin. Once you ask Jesus for forgiveness, your sins are forgiven and there is no longer anything separating you from God. And then you fully experience this love, as you described it. But not before! It's all written in the bible, Gods word!
@Homeosaurus Yes, it is true that God loves you no matter what. But that doesn't mean he automatically forgives you for everything you've done. There is still something called repentance and confessing to God that you have sinned and need him to forgive you. If you do not do this, you remain separated from God and so you can never go to heaven. You get punished for your sins. And no human is without sin! (the 10 commandments prove it)
@Homeosaurus If God wouldn't let people go to hell, then EVERYONE would go to heaven. That means, that you could do whatever you want, including not giving a fuck about God and still go to heaven.
As it is said that God is loving, it is also said that God is fair and just. Would it be fair for all these bad people to also go to heaven? People who had never had to bear any consequences for their actions?
In what fantasy world do bad people not suffer the consequences of their actions? It seems like the worst consequence would be to mindlessly glory the being who threw you into a game where you could potentially suffer for eternity if you can't limit your curiosity enough (which he supposedly imbued you with).
lol. Thus guy Ray.... He's kidding right? He is good.
paquissimo 3 weeks ago
I'm willing to believe in God if you prove that He made Kelly. Gosh!
maujo2009 2 months ago
this in no way amounts to any kind of evidence of god
krinoable 2 months ago
Also, why do these Atheist people think you have to be in religion to believe in God? Religion is man-made! DUH!!
BXTALE 6 months ago
@BXTALE so then how can they listen who are willing if there are no discussions such as this one. its now all over the internet so millions can hear and learn from both sides. Jesus said "greater works will you do than I" and here we have the computer to also witness. God died for athests too and u need to have the same compassion fo them that God has for you. we aint made heaven YET! every saint has a PAST and every sinner has a FUTURE.
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem Everthing your saying is really nice and thoughtful But, I'm not in no mood to care for others who cleary clearly clearly don't care about me!
BXTALE 6 months ago
yeah his last name would be sapient
speedx50 7 months ago
This whole discussion is meaningless...and why are they doing this at a church? Smdh...
BXTALE 7 months ago
@BXTALE because the church is also a place of learning and hearing. it is a spiritual hospital for those looking for answers and hearing both sides of a story.
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem So if thats the case why couldnt they go to a damn school then? Lol
BXTALE 6 months ago
@BXTALE really stupid question. you can learn in church as well as school. and maybe it was because school isnt open on sundays............DUH! this is why americans are so dum and behind the rest of the world. u think only a "school setting" educates. well, it doesnt. u can learn on your job, in the streets, at home, in church, in the military, a hospital. education is everywhere, LIKE GOD!
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem No what you just said is ignorant. My point is why go to a church? They could of had this outside in a park or something. There are a million other places you can go! This whole debate to me is foolishness...its not going to get anywhere and I feel if people don't believe in God, so what...who cares? That's them! If people believe in God like myself...whos business is that, NO ONES!! Debate over people beliefs are stupid! It's a waste of time!
BXTALE 6 months ago
@BXTALE debating is NOT a waste of time. souls are dying lost and if anyone was helped by this meeting, it was worth it. didnt u hear kirk cameron say he use to be an athiest??? it was the arguement of God's existence or not that caused kirk to start to question, pray and seek God and in doing so, his soul was saved and now he is witnessing. debates are not a waste. someone somewhere is thinkin twice now and may even say a small prayer that open them up to God. where's the love for souls?
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem What is a soul? Have any evidence that it exists?
What is prayer? How is that indistiguishable from positive self talk? Actually, positive self talk works better than prayer..prayer has as much odds of working as a roll of a dice.
And do you believe EVERYTHING someone tells you? Kirk was never an athiest in the first place - evidence is when he describes what he had as "blind atheism," a term used BY religious people who have no understanding of what atheism is.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal
Not only that, when he claims he was a so-called atheist, Kirk describes himself as a "devout atheist." There is no such thing as a "devout atheist." One cannot be "devout" towards disbelief, towards a position on a claim.
The terms he uses "blind atheism" "devout atheist" ..these are terms that attempt to define atheism as a religion when it is not. I've seen others try this tactic, describing atheism as a dogmatic belief, trying to tie it into religion.
Fail.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal I've shared enough. you've made up your mind. thanks for the chat. God bless you anyhow!
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem Typical thump and run...
When will you theists realize that the message doesn't matter if you can't even prove the being you are basing your message on even exists?
What does "god bless you" mean anyway?? I've asked you on several ocassions to provide evidence for this thing you keep referring to as "god"...the whole term is MEANINGLESS when it's based on a meaningless , undefined, unproven concept.
Anyway, bye!!
BastEternal 6 months ago
@721rem No it is a waste of time in my opinion...if souls are dying thats not up to me if the person doesnt want to listen like that ignorant red hair lady with the big fake boobs in the video...at the end of the day God will be the one to determine these people that supposedly have no faith in him and do not want to listen to him! I can only worry about myself and people that are willing to listen!
BXTALE 6 months ago
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ScienceFictionHairdo 8 months ago
Impressive presentation. God, in his infinite wisdom, designed the nosebridge & 2 ears at just the right place for the eyeglasses. Hallelujah. BTW Banana is Plantain made by man. I like Believers' tactics to win arguments. Keep up the good work. God bless you for defending Him. Atheists become believers at deathbeds. Believers have found what Scientists are looking: Salvation. Scientific proof God exists:
a+b^n / z=x, hence God exists—reply!]
Why can't Atheists accept it? Believers do.
amoralis123 8 months ago
"This sounds kind of preachy."
It's all preachy....
batistaker123 8 months ago
BastEternal 9 months ago 4
@BastEternal the bible says that before u ask anything of God you must come BELIEVING that he IS and that he is a rewarder of them who diligently seek him believe u have recieved that which u ask of him. everyday we do things believing them before they are revealed. a baby being conceived, a job interview, a seed brought at a store to grow a plant. we believe before the revelation comes. so that throws ur whole remark out the window. IF u believe in windows, haha!
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem You have given me no reason to believe that what "the bible says" is true.
The fact that you keep saying one must believe first, THEN everything will be "revealed" shows me that your religion rewards blind gullibility.
I don't do things "believing them before they are revealed."
Seeds grow because we have seen them grow, we know what seeds do based on past performance. We know how conception works - we know how windows are built.
Your analogy is beyond faulty.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@721rem
A job interview?
So you believe in "god" like you believe in job interviews? I guess so, you seem to "believe in windows."
What's next? Believe in god like you believe that a chair won't break before you sit on it?
See, humans have proven capable of building a structurally-sound chair, and there are millions upon millions of chairs that can be used as an example.
Your god? Not so much.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal God did reveal himself first, its called THE BIBLE. but u dont wanna believe it nor even give God the respect and the chance so therefore, unlike satan, God is a gentleman who will NOT force himself on you. and besides, the God who created you and knows the number of hairs on your head DOES NOT HAVE TO ANSWER ON YOUR TERMS! i think u can give God a little more respect than that sweetheart.
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem
A book is not evidence of a "god."
I reserve my respect for human beings, not figments of fantasy, unlike you who resorts condescending name calling..when did I become your sweetheart?
If you can't provide proof and evidence of your god, I am justified in believing that your god doesn't exist. I'm not going to waste my time respecting a non-existent thing, first of all, and if the god you believe in is the Judeo-Christian one, THAT god hasn't earned my respect, and never will.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal go ahead, i will not argue with you. you can mock the lord Jesus christ, the son of the living God all you want. he has the heaven and the hell to put you in. I don't. I've shared what i shared. and for the record, not all chairs are structurally sound. even buildings have been known to collapse because of either old or poor foundations, yet you will walk into one without asking the city for records. no one tests chairs before sitting in them. u just walk in, see a chair,sit
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem What are you talking about? I can't mock a thing I don't believe exists. Where is your evidence of your "living god" version?
And for the "record," I already know not EVERY chair is structurally sound..that wasn't my point and you know it.
Ask yourself WHY people don't generally test chairs before sitting ON them. And no, it's not because they have "blind faith" the chair is going to hold them up.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal and yet, I guess because YOU havent SEEN anything "of" or "from" GOD, others dont have testimonies of how God came through for them. unfortunately for U, the bible states that the christain walk is a faith walk. we walk by FAITH and NOT by SIGHT. sounds to me like God is saying believing is seeing, not the other worldy way around. smooches!
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem
Personal testimonies are only meaningful to those who claim to have had them. Just because other people claim they've seen things personally is not justification for me to believe.
Faith is believing without evidence. If you prefer that type of walk, just blindly stepping forward without seeing the path and "trusting" some sky daddy to help lead the way, then by all means go for it, whatever floats your boat..
I much prefer seeing where I'm going.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal wow, since when did calling someone "sweetheart" considered name calling. you act like i called u an idiot or jerk or cussed you out and all. wow. sweetheart, i guess i really went off the road there huh. again, believe what u will. every knee shall bow and every tongue WILL confess in that great and terrible day that Jesus is lord! MAN DOES IT TAKE A GOD TO HAVE PATIENCE FOR AND DIE FOR THE LIKES OF SCOFFERS AND ATHIEST AND YOU! i guess satan has your best interest at heart?
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem *yawn* now you're resorting to silly empty threats..you haven't even provided evidence for your god version....why do you think your silly superstitious death threats will work on me?
How can something there is no evidence for have my best interest at heart? PEOPLE have my best interest at heart. And die for me? So "god" is dead?
And how can I scoff that which I don't believe even exists? Have you provided any evidence that it does?
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal the evidence is believing and letting God talk to u and show u things. Hebrews 11:1 says "Now faith is the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED for, the EVIDENCE and things UNSEEN." the letters in FAITH stand for "Finding an impossible trial hopeful."
FAITH
SUBSTANCE
HOPE
EVIDENCE
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem
Belief is not proof or evidence of anything.
There are people who communicate with aliens, actually talk to them and they swear that the aliens show them things..
They're called schizophrenics.
Your god version is no different than butt-probing aliens. They are 100% indistinguishable.
Repeating words out of a book is not evidence of a god. Typing the words FAITH, SUBSTANCE, HOPE AND EVIDENCE is not proof of anything either..they're just words. They hold no special powers.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@BastEternal God is NOT dead. he sent his son Jesus to become the sacrificial lamb on the cross and when the physical flesh of Jesus died, Jesus descended into heaven and sent back a "comforter" known as the HOLYGHOST. in the O.T. bible, man had to kill animals to atone for sins and only the priests could do such. In the N.T. bible Jesus became that lamb so that today we can go to God and repent and be saved and live for him and witness to others and be ready when the rapture comes.
721rem 6 months ago
@721rem "God is NOT dead."
Really? Then provide evidence for your "God" version.
Your post is going on the presupposition that a god exists..so it's pointless to argue as if your god definition does exist to someone who is NOT CONVINCED that your god version, or ANY god(s) for that matter, exists.
Prove your god exists first, then you can go on bible thumping about meaningless words like holy ghosts and atonement for sins and repents and whatever other religious word you can think of.
BastEternal 6 months ago
@Mcommander23 You may want reinvestigate the book of Mark!... they have found writings of Mark that is only 5 to 6 years from the crucifixion of Yahshua(Jesus)
kdcox1205 10 months ago
Kelly is right, but did she need to use her tits so much?
waseatenbyagrue 10 months ago
Even if I accepted his arguments from V1 and V2 with this, which I don't. I would ask him why particularly his "proof" necessarily demands that the Christian god must be the true god, why cant it be Zeus, Baal, Thor, Shiva, or the Golden Calf? If we take his argument and concede that creationism is true, what is the evidence that it is the Christian god? We know who the painter is, we know who the builder is, how are you so certain who the "creator is"?
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 There are all sorts of reasons why We believe Jesus is God. I don't really want to get into a debate here, but you should look it up and find out what evidences there are. Good luck
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 There is no evidence that Jesus is god. The bible is not evidence and if you were able to submit it as such I would counter submit Harry Potter as evidence to say that Hermione Granger is god. I also have a deep theological and philosophical education and I am an atheist because of that, not in spite of it. There is no evidence that there is a god, let alone a specific god such as Jesus, and I think you will find that if you begin truly looking for real evidence beyond the bible.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 There is a lot of evidence outside of the bible that Jesus existed. It's funny how people will look at other history books and wont question those, but they totally discredit the gospels as a written historical record. Alexander the Great was written 400 something years after his death, but no one ever doubts he existed. Once you can prove that Jesus existed it's a matter of whether He was God or not. I am curious though why you became an atheist from your education?
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 I never said Jesus did not exist... but why do you think he is a god? What is your evidence that he is a god aside from biblical accounts? I became an atheist because I sat around and thought about what I was reading instead of accepting it. I educated myself in Latin and Greek and read religious documents dating back a thousand years, and I realized that clergymen were fond of making things up. I am well read in the sciences and I find their methods are honest and knowledge seeking.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 Your arguments have been debunked & are simply not true. This whole discussion doesn't come down to evidence because there is plenty of it. You just don't want to know God & live in your sin. Even if you saw God face to face you still wouldn't believe. Jesus fulfilling over 300 specific prophesies written hundreds of years before he was born is proof enough of his divinity. I've also done my research & realized the bible is true & you cannot disprove the word of God.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 Debunk the arguments then. You haven't given one piece of evidence, you go back to your talking points in the bible. If I saw god face to face of course I would believe, and I would like to see the legitimate prophecies you speak of. You are referring to stories, fiction, not fact. And they are never told by the people who were there, only by the people who spoke to the people who spoke to the people who were there. Muslims can make the same claims as you, why are they wrong?
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 Don't you get it though, you can't see God because you choose not to believe He exists. God gives you the choice to either love him or not love Him. When you choose to not love Him you separate yourself from Him. Since God is truth your mind cannot comprehend God because you chose to separate yourself. God is only giving you what you want. You can know God if you just ask Him into your life. There is plenty of evidence that God exists. The universe is evidence of His creative power
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 I'm sorry but what you are saying is a disgrace to human reason. You believe god is the truth because you were indoctrinated to believe that. Every religion on Earth can make equally grand claims as yours can. Why is the Koran wrong? Why were the Ancient Greeks wrong? What is inherent in your beliefs that makes them more believable than theirs? Belief without real evidence is blind to reason.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 lol, this is going nowhere obviously. look, I was not indoctrinated in anything and no one turned me to God except myself. I used to be a doubter and thought just like you. I still have questions, but the other reasons people have are all bad religion and not science like they claim. I'm sorry but to believe that I evolved from a lower life form that evolved from dead matter all by random chance, is silly and you have to have a lot of faith to believe it.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 And I used to be a believer and thought just like you. I was in seminary school for two years, and in that time I realized that the bible is man made entirely. If Jesus every existed, which I believe he did, he was nothing like what the bible says about him. There are gospels that are not in the bible that tell a totally different story. Is it possible there is a god? Yes. But I think it is very, very unlikely based on the evidence. You are 100% certain there must be, how?
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 how can you say Jesus was never like what the bible says he was like if he existed? where is your reasoning? Luke was a physician, Mathew was a tax collector who had to know how to read and write. these guys were not illiterate. Luke has been said to of been one of the greatest historians of all time. That is not a good case against Christianity to say it was written by illiterate men. You can't say anything that hasn't already been debated and debunked.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 I find it interesting that you picked the synoptic gospels. Mark and Luke did not write their own gospels, theologians accept that. The date of the writing is unclear but it could be anywhere from 100 AD to 350 AD. The content is that of using other Gospels as primary source documents (Luke uses Mark as does Mathew). If Mark is untrue then the basis for Luke, Mathew, and others are also untrue. Falsehood begets falsehood when the source goes unquestioned.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 I believe in evolution because it is a theory that happens to fit the facts. If you taxonomically organize all creatures on the planet that live today and compare them to extinct species you can place everything on a tree and say "this and this came from that". Drug resistant bacteria is micro evolution that we can see under a microscope happening right before our eyes. Evolution is not a theory, it is a fact, there is much more evidence for evolution than there will ever be for god.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 Barrow and Tiplar 2 physicists calculated the probability for the evolution of the human genome to be somewhere of 4 to the -180th power to the 110000th power and 4 to the -360th power to the 110000th power so if evolution did occur it was literally a miracle & therefore evidence of God. Evolution is not fact. No one has observed a species evolve into another species. We all have the same evidence but different presuppositions.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 You show a fundamental ignorance of biological science with that statement.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
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@Mcommander23 Don't you get it though, you can't see God because you choose not to believe He exists. God gives you the choice to either love him or not love Him. When you choose to not love Him you separate yourself from Him. Since God is truth your mind cannot comprehend God because you chose to separate yourself. God is only giving you what you want. You can know God if you just ask Him into your life. There is plenty of evidence that God exists. The universe is evidence of His creative power
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 Science is based on causality, every event has a cause. Things don't happen just out of the blue. The universe had a beginning, so the cause had to be eternal. it wasn't the universe since it had a beginning, it wasn't physical processes they are not eternal and fizzle out. The only causal entity we know is a will. It can't be a blind will, in view of our experience it's inconceivable. The only plausible cause, was an intelligent will which is God. This is where the evidence leads.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 What was Gods beginning then? Who created him? And you are not offering up evidence, you are drawing conclusions based on numerous faulty assumptions.
If god is Omniscient , then he must know what decisions he is going to make before he carries them out. Therefore God cannot be omnipotent because he lacks the will to change his mind.
I can play games with semantics as well.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 How am I drawing up assumptions. its proven fact that all events need a cause. God is not an event and had no beginning. He created Time. The universe could not have been infinite because you cannot have an infinite number of past events. It just isn't possible, we would of never gotten to today. All you are doing is distorting who God is and confusing yourself, God doesn't contradict Himself, and cannot go against His own nature, doesn't mean He is not God.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@Mcommander23 You say stories that were told by people who where never there. You are wrong about that, they were eye witness accounts. The only writings on Alexander the Great were from 2 biographies written 400 years after his death. Do you doubt that? You can't say Christianity is false because it was not written by people who were there, even though they were. IT would of died out if it was fake and made up. also it was totally against what the Jews believed the messiah was to be.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 Jesus did exist, but I think you will find that any account of his life prior to the 3rd or 4th century will never refer to him as divine. The trappings of Christianity took hundreds of years to form, what started as a way of life became a cult based on a great fiction novel, its the Scientology of the Middle Ages.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@SlayerofFiction Haha I never once said anything about the bible.;) and ok if it is so elementary, please explain. That shouldn't be difficult.
Phillo127 11 months ago
great tits
leo1337hs 1 year ago 15
@leo1337hs - yes, great tits indeed... Amen!
88dizi88 9 months ago
none of this is proof, is there something wrong with his brain, maybe it's not functioning properly. Maybe he doesn't understand what proof means.
MrFamine69 1 year ago
PRAISE GOD!!!! THANK YOU JESUS FOR CHANGING MY LIFE AND SAVING MY SOUL.
eichoob2105 1 year ago
@eichoob2105 lemme guess, you were an alcoholic or a drug addict?
SlayerofFiction 1 year ago
@SlayerofFiction This will be my first and last comment directed towards you. It doesn't matter what I used to be, it only matters that I am a changed man and am no longer the wicked person I once was. I Praise God everyday for changing my life for the better and I'm proud of that. You may choose to believe in anything you want or you may choose not to believe in anything, either way, in the end, God will be praised and will be given the Glory whether you're being punished or saved.
eichoob2105 1 year ago
@eichoob2105 I have nothing to be punished or saved from, whatever it takes to make you a better person then so be it. Cheers
SlayerofFiction 1 year ago
@SlayerofFiction What is a better person?
Phillo127 11 months ago
@Phillo127 you seriously need to ask this?
SlayerofFiction 11 months ago
@SlayerofFiction You need to be saved from death. We are punished because God is just and cannot let sin go unpunished. If He did it would be the same as a court judge just letting people go free from murder, theft, or whatever. Since we all die and sin has to be punished, Jesus took the punishment upon himself because He was the only one who didn't deserve to be punished. Since all mankind has sinned God is the only one who is perfect so He became a man who was Jesus. Only humans can die.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@SlayerofFiction You need to be saved from death. We are punished because God is just and cannot let sin go unpunished. If He did it would be the same as a court judge just letting people go free from murder. Since we all die and sin has to be punished, Jesus sacrificed Himself and took our punishment so we can know God. You can't understand the things of God when you don't believe He exists. If you humble yourself and seek God He will reveal Himself to you.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 what a horrible life you live, living in fear of your master day in and day out, waiting to be punished because you deserve to be like some sort of a dog tied to a short chain and forgotten in the back yard.
SlayerofFiction 10 months ago
@SlayerofFiction You don't even know me nor what kind of life I live. People who don't know Christianity think God is up there just waiting to make you miserable and not letting you have any fun. It's a huge misconception. Living a Godly life is the best life you could live. The life of an atheist is, there's no purpose to life, we are just here with no reason what so ever. Do whatever feels good and if it hurts someone else, who cares. Knowing God brings peace to your life that only He can give
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 Bullshit, atheists are good people too, except we dont need Imaginary friends. Btw, I know the bible very well, I bought into all that when I was younger and didnt understand life, I also have read the Quran, Buddism/taoism, various pagan religions, and now in htep process of reading Hinduism the worlds oldest religion.
SlayerofFiction 10 months ago
@SlayerofFiction I never said atheists are bad people, i have some atheist friends that are really good people, but being good wont save you from death and Gods wrath. We will never meet Gods standards. You really cannot say for absolute fact that God doesn't exist because you would have to know everything there is to know about this universe, which you don't. So if there is even a 1% chance that He exists don't you think you would want to know? You're obviously searching, I hope you find Him.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@hughesjd83 Im good man, I have yet to meet a christian who could stand up to my standards.
SlayerofFiction 10 months ago
@SlayerofFiction I second that. In fact I find many vehemently religious people have inferior moral scruples.
Mcommander23 10 months ago
@eichoob2105 You are right on. One thing that atheists don't realize is how many millions upon millions of lives have been drastically changed for the better all because they turned to God.
hughesjd83 10 months ago
@eichoob2105 but then, wasent it his word is the reason you found out that your life needs saving?
MaxBlight 11 months ago
This is so painfull to watch. Religion just rots the brain.
We have to end these useless medieval barbaric superstitious cults or they will end us.
bary1234 1 year ago
somehow I think smaller tits would give her more credibility.
Gforcer80 1 year ago
Could the camera go down a little next time please lol
n8style 1 year ago
I am smarter than all of these dummies. They all get so off track and the arguments are obviously circular. Heres my answer. No one knows shit. When you die, it is either lights on or lights out. In the meantime enjoy the ride. Oh and a good counter argument to where did God come from and who created God is the same one they use for the universe. They claim they dont need a creater that the Universe Just Was. Did it not occur to them That they could say the same thing about God, He Just was
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89 Not that the universe just was or is....abiogenisis is more likely. Study and decide for yourself.
Adrianrosariopr 1 year ago
@Adrianrosariopr Nevertheless this doesnt not answer the question concerning the primary mover and none of this will be answered till you die. Take a look at some youtube vids of people who have died and its not just a biological thingy that happens when the optical nereve shuts down these people are real and you can tell there is no bullshit in there story and for me I like to believe yes. Why not. Im not concerened with dying nor do I believe out of fear. I simply just have faith
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
"Take a look at some youtube vids of people who have died..."
They died in the same way Jesus died: they didn't.
"you can tell there is no bullshit in there story..."
You already believe in a soul, so you are using your presumption of life after death to block the perception of bullshit in the story.
"I simply just have faith..."
Then this is what you need to stick with rather than having youtube arguments...
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus they died in the same way jesus died: they didnt.Oh jesus did not die and please dont start the religious shit Im not religious. I dont use youtube arguments they are real events. I mean suit yourself man believe what you like Im happy with my faith and I love the youtube NDEs very informative and there are sooooo many of them. Got to love it
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
"Oh jesus did not die..."
That's what I said. Therefore he did not die for anyone's sins. He may have had an NDE, key word "EXPERIENCE".
"I dont use youtube arguments they are real events."
You *believe* they are events that really happened to someone else. Has no one ever told you a story that you didn't believe? What criteria did you use to determine it? Were they on TV with camera edits, was it face to face, or had you some knowledge that suggested the experience did not happen?
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus Well I hear ya on that but we are not talking about a singular case, we are talking about 1000s and 1000s so the likely hood that some of them if not many are real is increased exponentially
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
Well, the two biggest religions are mutually exclusive, and billions of people believe both. Billions is more than 1000s. Billions of people can fully believe something that is false.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus Until we die we know nothing about what is real or false. With respect to jesus the man had it together with knowledge of the human condition wether he was god incarnate I have no idea but I do have faith that something bigger lies behind the origins of the universe and it isnt NOTHING and it did not come from NOTHING. Thats just how I see it and I see Evil and Good and its not moral choices developed from culture, it is something really sinister
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
"Until we die we know nothing about what is real or false."
It is more probable, based on every instance we know about death, that death marks the end of our ability to know, because our brain functions as living matter. I would amend your statement to "*When* we die we know nothing *...*"
holyjesus 1 year ago
@skates89
"I do have faith that something bigger lies behind the origins of the universe"
Your statement assumes that the universe originated in a comprehensible way. It's more likely that the universe is the property of an interaction between dimensions that are incomprehensible to our limited human minds. An analogy might be the *friction* between oil and water.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus Well that is certainly something I can agree on. It appears the universe certainly came to be in ways that are incomprehensible and in that lies the mystery. As I always say it is either lights out or lights on when we die. Just that simple. Id say there are other planets. id say you could come back, move on etc etc etc. I mean the moment you die you could very well be born again within an instant. So many possibilities. It will be very interesting to find out
skates89 1 year ago
@holyjesus Welll my friend that is your faith and certainly something you cannot know with absoluet certainty. Although the data gained so far scientifically makes it appear so it does not make it so. I trust whole heartedly that there is consciousness after death, a spirit realm. These debates can be endless I know that is why it is called faith. I know it is very hard for a non believer in an after life but it isnt for me. For all you knowyou might even come back after all your here once
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
"Welll my friend that is your faith"
Wellll brother, that is not faith, that is an analogy, I am not stating that I believe it to be the truth.
"...makes it appear so it does not make it so..."
Do you understand that this standard erodes any potential truth from your faith belief? Your faith appears true based on inferences from your emotions. The natural foundation of the universe appears true based on inferences from observable, comprehensible, confirmable reality.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus Ah my friend so true but it is also true that much can be studied scientifically that is not observational or tangible to the naked eye. It appears as with many scientists that worth studying is that which is tangable and observational. Unconsious thought processes are not tangible yet they can be scientifically demonstrated to exist and have been. It is all how you apply the scientific method and with that I apply it to spiritual forces that you call emotions
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89 I propose that the feelings we call guilt shame self loathing pity are a product of a realm ( spiritual )outside of oursleves that are innate within us. When we deviate from these Higher moral standerds we feel the effects and them within. It is as if this higher being, creater prime mover has embued us with these dynamics so that we are never rewarded spiritually when doing wrong. When we do right we reap the spirtual reward of joy and happiness. Note the correlation
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
I think you mean "observable". Scientific instruments exist that amplify, magnify, and otherwise make observable what is unavailable to our organic senses.
The unconscious, originally Freud's idea, is not a theory that receives wide support in psychological fields any longer. "Unconscious" is now short-hand for "automatic thinking developed through habit"... in other words there's not a little spirit sitting back in your head hiding certain thoughts and realities from you.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus Since when is the Unconscious not a widely supported dynamic. You are kidding right ? It is well supported and generally used by social psychologists in marketing stratagies and it can and has been scientifically supported and I know well it was originally a part of freuds topographical modle of the mind. Automatic thinking through habit ha lol sorry but no, research demonstrates memory contructs of stored information within the unconscious and there is nothing automatic about it
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
Unconscious now means "un-systematic" and refers to behavioral patterns that work just well enough for the individual to exist in a social reality. "The unconscious" is not a portal to a higher reality as Jung thought, as enunciated in his theory about "The Collective Unconscious".
Eloctrodes have been used to measure the electrical charge that passes through neurons, and reliably correlated with perceived stimuli. fMRI illustrates brain function's correlation with emotion.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus I have a BA in Psychology and research methodology. I wont argue with you with respect to what you are saying with respect to hung, again it is all speculation and sorry but unconscious thought processes have been scientifically demonstrated to exist. If I say to you apple at that very mooment the memory of an apple will come to the for front conscious of your mind. Its origins however are a product of stored info in the unconsious of which you recall. This is the why of subliminal
skates89 1 year ago
@holyjesus you are only demonstrating the how of it not the why or the source It is like reinventing the wheel and tells me nothing about the origins. I know the process is inherant within but the agent of the design is still unknown. Look at the correlation between good deeds feelings bad deeds and feelings which seems to be universal within the human condition. Thats a pretty dam good design if you ask me
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
You are presuming that there is a why, an agent. How does refer to origins, but the origins may be incomprehensible to our minds. That means your belief in god is a place holder for that incomprehensible origin, and the assumption of the incomprehensible origin does not necessitate a god. Your emotional demand that the incoherent be coherent allows you to fabricate the place holder.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@Adrianrosariopr
Brother, abiogenesis has nothing to do with cosmology.
holyjesus 1 year ago
I died laughing when he said "I now turn the time over to my partner Kelly, who will address these a little more scientifically"
MrJentipede 1 year ago
I can't believe hypocritical that preacher was - he begins by saying that he will offer scientific evidence of gods existence, then goes on and on trying justify pseudo-science with faith based biblical nonsense. Man, he surely is going to hell, cause he said hypocrites are sinners...and sinners go to hell.
StephenWebb1980 1 year ago
She is so hoot!!!!
zsozso411 1 year ago
The Aetheist Man States he doesnt Make an Absolute claim that No God Exist, but he does not believe in a God .. WOW..if you cannot make an absolute claim that GOD doesnt exist then why debate about it. The Aetheist man himself doesnt even know what to believe in.
dboysan 1 year ago
@dboysan Who can? You cannot prove absolutely that no god exists, simply because there is not enough evidence to support its existence or non-existence. Likewise, a believer cannot make an absolute claim that God does exist, but they tend to do so with a little thing called "faith". No one alive in this world can know for certain. But the atheist believes it is highly improbable as to be impossible, much the same as a fairy that collects teeth or a fat man with flying reindeer.
FollyxXxFallen 1 year ago
@FollyxXxFallen Sorry but faith is not an absolute claim. We have faith there is a god and you have faith there isnt. There are no absolutes in faith
skates89 1 year ago
@skates89
You're obscuring the meaning of faith. Do you have faith that there is no Thor? Or do you just perceive at as an irrelevant myth and not worth believing in?
holyjesus 1 year ago
@dboysan You can't prove the FSM doesn't exist
n8style 1 year ago
@dboysan The debates come naturally when god lovers impose their beliefs on society, and when guys like these two clowns walk the streets provoking people. Being discriminated against for a lack of belief is also a reason. Also, I AM an atheist man, and I can sure as fuck tell you what I DON'T believe in! I can't BELIEVE you asked that question.....dumbass!
Adrianrosariopr 1 year ago
@dboysan
I can't make an absolute claim that no big foot exists, but I don't believe in big foot because there is no affect of a big foot in my life.
holyjesus 1 year ago
Given that the earth has been around for a long long long and even longer time and people have been around for a long, long, long time why did it take The Great I Am, the Alpha and Omega so long to be able to reveal itself to man?
justlilyanne 1 year ago
I bet Cameron and Comfort looked upon Kelly's tits to lust after her.
justonefyx 1 year ago
Pause 0:44 and you can make out Sapient smiling :)
crazysoccerman14 1 year ago
I came to realize that atheists had some sort of negative experience involving the idea of a God at some point in their lives. Plus, science is not perfect and darwinism has never been proven. It's still a theory until prove, right? Also, if the idea of a Creator that hasn't been created by nothing is so unacceptable, so is the idea of "nothing creating something" that science brings us with the Big Ban theory, which by the way, it's also just a theory. Nothing has been ever proven.
mikamiller2008 1 year ago
@mikamiller2008 You realized wrong then. Atheists, most of them, just had some sort of curiosity that leads them to question what had been taught. Read about pagan religions from where most of Jesus and Christianity came from. Do you know how many gods were born from a virgin? Have you ever imagined that you could very well be hindu that worships Ganesh if only you had been born in another side of the world? And you know what else is just a theory? Gravity. Guess nobody told you yet.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy : @lovemrdarcy : Whoa whoa whoa! Why do you have to be rude in your response? Don't you want freedom of speech in your country? That requires knowing how to apply it. Offending people and showing anger toward somebody's opinion is not the wisest way to exercise that right. It shows immaturity and lack of humbleness.
All she said was that she believes in the POSSIBILITY of a newborn child to understand the presence of SOMETHING higher that is above all. Chill, Darcy!
TheBlogChic 1 year ago
@TheBlogChic Whoa whoa whoa! What exactly I said that is offending?? Please show me because for whoever does not agree with both sides you surely looked biased if you can find anything in my post that is offensive. Unless you take every argument against yours as an offence. Rather I was called arrogant. One may say that the post was offensive. You are weird and you are the one needing a chill maybe?
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@lovemrdarcy :Plus, although I may not agree with either side, many of your arguments are faulty.
TheBlogChic 1 year ago
@TheBlogChic You realize that just saying an argument is faulty is not really much contribution to a conversation, right? And by conversation I mean no curse words, no calling names although I certainly will not get offended if you disagree with me.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@mikamiller2008
Yes, that's all true. How can science ever hope to compare to Christianity, the followers of which all know and believe the exact same thing about Jesus, and all live life according to the same ideas and principles? It's astonishing that anyone can doubt the truth of Christianity when its so unambiguous, coherent and perfect?
holyjesus 1 year ago
I would love for somebody to make an experiment putting a newborn child alone in an environment and observing if this child grows to be inclined to believe in a higher being or not. Every single people, tribe, nation in the world believes in the existence of God. How can someone prove that we are born atheists?
I think the atheist side is so arrogant! They say they are good people but they are surely not humble.
mikamiller2008 1 year ago
@mikamiller2008 By inclined you mean that the child would naturally come up with a god of its own to explain the rain, the thunder and any of the things that he wouldn't understand? Or do you really believe an unborn child already has a God all made up of his own? We are born atheists simply because we are not even aware of our own existence, even more the existence of a higher being, that's what they mean by saying you are born an atheist.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
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lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@mikamiller2008 And what is the logic about the point that every nation and tribe believes in the existence of God therefore an newborn must believe in it by osmosis? The point is exactly that a child gets his indoctrination from their tribe, nation. Which god would you believe in if you were born in an Amazon isolated tribe before colonization? And mostly, would this god be any more real than any of others?
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@mikamiller2008 Maybe you need to be humble to accept your own arrogance? I'm an atheist and I have no problem in saying that I could be wrong. One physical evidence would change my mind on the existence of a god. A believer however is so arrogant that they flat out say that there will never be any evidence or argument that will make them at least think about that they may be wrong. I admit that I do not know everything and I may be wrong about God. I dare you to say the same. Humble.
lovemrdarcy 1 year ago
@mikamiller2008
Isn't it also non-humble to judge a whole group as arrogant?
holyjesus 1 year ago
If you're looking from a completely designed point of view, it just feels like this is so oddly designed, all these rules that make no sense and complete lack of inspiration it gives to so many people. Why does God make it so hard to believe in him, I just cannot bring myself to believe it in logical terms. Any seriously religious person needs to re-evaluate his/her stance in this universe as it just doesnt make sense.
jazz4 1 year ago
Still watching the video. His first part on creationism was an okay, a well-thought argument which followed a certain strand of logic.
Then, his speech turned into an incoherent rambling about Christianity. Where is the "scientific" argument that:
1. Animals don't have consciousness.
2. Bible tells the truth.
3. Heaven/Hell exist.
Why even bring up the Bible? Now you need to first prove that every other religion is false, which would actually be very amusing to watch.
tbarker5252 1 year ago
Hahaha kirk didn't even want to clap when the guy got done but did only after ray started. seems like ray needs to teach kirk some manners
Nibielari 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus There is no "delusion of time", keeping us from the garden of Eden. It's sin. God kicked out Adam and Eve because of it. I suppose I was a bit unclear about being "separated" from God. I didn't mean that he wasn't there. I meant that we are separated from his love. The love which you experience when you give your life to Jesus. Anyway, if God were not present, then we would be in the absence of God, which is how hell is described. "The absence of God will be their punishment".
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways That's crazy talk.
splicedenergy 1 year ago
@splicedenergy what's crazy talk?
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways "We were perfect, but then we decided to go against God and sinned, which made us imperfect. However, it was necessary for God to give us free will, or else we wouldn't be able to love. -> God is a God of love -> you need free will to love and love God." is crazy talk. You either need to comes to terms with god in any sense of the meaning is imaginary or quit talking crazy talk. Keep it to yourself. It's annoying to listen to and irritating to put up with.
splicedenergy 1 year ago
@splicedenergy no one forced you to read my comments. If it annoys you, that's your problem. I'm just doing what every Christian should do and that is spreading the word of God and telling everyone about the offer he is making every human on this planet. You can either accept it or leave it. But I assure you I will not stop until I die.
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways There's no such thing. The bibles are rough translations of the sumerian tablets, written 12000 years bc. With help from the Nephelim, otherwise known as the ancient aliens. No god, just people visiting from outer space. They came here to mine gold, they taught primitive humans alot and its said that they genetically altered our dna to excellerate our evolution. They provided the skinny and we've fucked the translation all up and then men added and ommitted whatever they wanted to
splicedenergy 1 year ago
@splicedenergy Okay, I can see you're one of those who don't accept it. But just remember this: When you die and it turns out that God dose exists, don't think that you can get away with saying there wasn't enough proof of his existence for you to believe and that any punishment you receive is "unfair".
JSAirways 1 year ago
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@JSAirways How will you feel when you realize there is no god and that you have wasted your life praying to an imaginary being?
Dragos1591 1 year ago
@JSAirways
This argument works for any and every religion with a punishing god. You can't differentiate this threat as truth because of it. If god would let others be fooled to believing in Islam or Hinduism, who's to say that god wouldn't let you be fooled into believing Christianity?
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus I'm sorry, it's been a while since i wrote these comments, so I'm not sure what exactly you are referring to. I also apologies if I seem to be contradicting my self though. Trying to say exactly what I mean never was my specialty and english isn't my first language... And this probably sounds like some lame excuse, but it seems like no one really takes me seriously anyway... So if you want to discuss any of the comments I wrote, let me know which one exactly you meant.
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways
Uh... it's the post right above the one you replied to.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus I'm sorry, I can't follow you. It's been AGES since I posted something here, so I really don't know what exactly you are talking about and I'm not going to look up every one of my posts, which are kind of hard to find here...
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways
Your intellectual laziness is showing. You hit ctrl-F on your keyboard. This gives you a "find" tool. You type in a phrase from one of these comments and the browser will find it for you. Then that neat little bar on the right has a highly technological function called "scroll". Comments are generally in chronological order.
If you just don't care about replying, admit that to yourself and to me.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus Is it so hard, just to tell me what you want to discuss with me? And why so rude all of the sudden? Did I offend you in some way? I can see that it doesn't even matter what you want to discuss with me. You're just looking for a fight. And making fun of Christians seems like the easiest thing for you to do. So why should I even bother starting that kind of a discussion with you, when you probably won't care about what i say anyway. How about we just have a row over diapers or seomthing
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways
The comments are in the exact order that they were made. That's the beauty of text- everything discussed is right there before your eyes. It's not rude to suggest common sense. You are being too sensitive.
That was like I called my ex roommate and sent him all this information about a call from child services, including the phone number. He asked me, by typing out a full message in text, what the area code was- instead of trying on the phone the two possible area codes.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@holyjesus I went through all my replies and tried to figure out, what you were referring to but still couldn't quite figure it out. "Uh... it's the post right above the one you replied to."
Isn't a helpful reference, as I posted a few replies. My last post was 6 months ago for crying out loud! You can't expect me to remember too much from then.
Anyway, we seem to have sidetracked a bit off the subject. So once again, what do you want to discuss with me?! We're not getting anywhere like this
JSAirways 1 year ago
@holyjesus by the way, if you want to hear a simple solution, which should not offend anyone, watch my latest video...
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways
But love [agape] your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. (Luke 6:35)
holyjesus 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus 1.John 3,4-8: Those who sin are opposed to the law of God, for all sin opposes the law of God. And you know that Jesus came to take our sins, for there is no sin in him. So if we continue to live in him, we won't sin either. But those who keep sinning have never known him or understood who he is. Dear children, don't let anyone deceive you about this: When people do what is right, it is because they are righteous as Christ. But when people keep on sinning they belong to the Devil...
JSAirways 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus If we were not separated from God, we would all still be in the garden of Eden. We are clearly not and it is mentioned many times in the bible, that we are separated from God through sin. Once you ask Jesus for forgiveness, your sins are forgiven and there is no longer anything separating you from God. And then you fully experience this love, as you described it. But not before! It's all written in the bible, Gods word!
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways
But god created sin, so we are never really separate.
holyjesus 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus Yes, it is true that God loves you no matter what. But that doesn't mean he automatically forgives you for everything you've done. There is still something called repentance and confessing to God that you have sinned and need him to forgive you. If you do not do this, you remain separated from God and so you can never go to heaven. You get punished for your sins. And no human is without sin! (the 10 commandments prove it)
JSAirways 1 year ago
@Homeosaurus If God wouldn't let people go to hell, then EVERYONE would go to heaven. That means, that you could do whatever you want, including not giving a fuck about God and still go to heaven.
As it is said that God is loving, it is also said that God is fair and just. Would it be fair for all these bad people to also go to heaven? People who had never had to bear any consequences for their actions?
JSAirways 1 year ago
@JSAirways
In what fantasy world do bad people not suffer the consequences of their actions? It seems like the worst consequence would be to mindlessly glory the being who threw you into a game where you could potentially suffer for eternity if you can't limit your curiosity enough (which he supposedly imbued you with).
holyjesus 1 year ago