Jimmy Carr takes the other viewpoint on Ross / Brand / Sachs

[chartshowlads]

Must have been an odd time to be a comedian. He has it spot on though.

[GDFullOn]

What a brilliant interview.

[Maidenrugby]

I absolutely love Jimmy Carr.

[fodsaks]

I was hoping that the moral crackdown following 'Sachsgate' might actually have encouraged some comics to sharpen up a bit and not be so lazy sometimes.

Rather than just dropping in a line about cancer or peodophilia, or dropping in the c word for an easy shock laugh, why not stretch yourself and try to go back to a good old sharp, witty joke?

[rainfallshard]

@fodsaks because as a form of mental release stand up comedy, in the UK in particular, is intrinsically linked to the discussion and furthermore rejection of stigma attached to taboo subjects and topics. The ability to startle and cross accepted boundaries is a large part of its lasting appeal and continuing innovation.

[fodsaks]

@rainfallshard And there was me thinking it was mainly about funny jokes.

[rainfallshard]

@fodsaks Have a look at what comedy audiences tend to enjoy before you classify the term "funny." I've been to a "clean" christian comedy festival, because it was near my home, and after two acts I wanted to stop breathing.

[fodsaks]

@rainfallshard Well, I'd be FAIRLY sure that comedy audiences like funny jokes.

As for your Christian festival, I'm sure there are as many poor 'family' comedians as 'edgy' ones.

I've been to many comedy nights above countless pubs, where act after act has come on, sworn his head off, tried to get us all gasping in shock at jokes about illness, death, religion, etc, and barely raised a polite chuckle.

I'm not trying to clean up comedy, I'd just like the wit to come back in some quarters.

[ShtikMahn]

@fodsaks You seem to think that there is a very strict distinction between shock value and wit. Frankie Boyle is a great subject for that. He is a very witty man, and some of what he says is out of the normal taste. Maybe your problem is you're looking in all the wrong places for decent comedy? (Or maybe you just don't have a very wide sense of humour.)

[tufty1990]

I thought it was ridiculous that the papers said that it was an obscene disgusting horrible thing they did by humiliating Andrew Sachs (which ok yeah it kind of was) and broadcasting it on air, but then they went and told the whole fucking country I mean whos the twats there? How could they not see the hippocracy of what they were doing?

[PureTundraBOI]

@tufty1990 Exactly. 1 Million people heard it at the time, yet so many people got angry. Because it was re-broadcast on every radio station, in every newspaper and on every news network. Repeatedly.

[BenPN1000]

I don't think it was a great idea from them but all the fuss was over the top.Maybe say sorry to him but keep their jobs.I think their both quite funny and the joke wasn't offensive but a bit mean to the old guy,hes been through enough humiliation.

[49Ibanez]

when the ross/brand show actually aired only 2 people complained - and both of those were because jonathon ross swore

[ciaracustard]

Lol "that's not half as offensive as some of the stuff in my show" - or in Russell's.

[aleclancaster]

haha ace

[xTunafishx]

the man speaks the truth! Go Jimmy!

[disconnected84]

if anyone but that gallagher tosser said it then i would agree

[Buffoon1980]

Personally I think prank calls are about the lowest form of 'humour' known to man. But it does seem that the public outcry was disproportionate, I can't really comment as I don't live in the UK.

[rainfallshard]

It wasn't a prank call... It was a previously arranged scheduled interview which Andrew Sachs didn't have his phone on to participate in.

[Dandramere]

Hmm a really good, well played out prank call takes a lot of effort and work to pull off. Try it, see if you can do one effectively. It's hard.

[BillyBobsEel]

I saw Jimmys live show a few days after this, he already had a couple of jokes about it.

[ImBringing30Back]

So true Carr... Now, let's get Brand back on the air!

[pascha120]

Absolutely!

And they better bring back Matty Morgan too!

[ImBringing30Back]

Oh, man... Matt was the best thing about the show! Couldn't do without him.

[Minisha]

hmmmm.

well said Mr. Carr.

[Lonelywreckage6]

Aaaah! Sweet relief from irritating moronic mass hysteria.

[IidoliseJohnnyDepp]

I agree 100% with what Jimmy Carr is saying

[JeremiahBasil]

Absolutly. People think they have the right to not be offended or have their feelings hurt. Go screw.

[autumn999]

I blame Matt Morgan for this! If he was moderating Brand then this wouldn't have happened.

But the real blame lies with the daily mail who clearly have a vendetta against Brand, Ross and basically anything that isn't on radio 4.

[rainfallshard]

Its true that they never would have done that on a show with Matt. He would have said something about Russell's ego and then they would have hung up. Actually I don't think it would have happened with any of the other guest presenters either (Amstell, Carr ect). They are just both good at saying the wrong thing Brand and Ross. With hilarious results.

[kinney1990]

Carr is a legend!!

[RescueTheSlags]

If we had more rational comments like this and less idiots baying at the doors of the BBC then we'd be a better country for it.

[Xxrock4life01xX]

Jimmy Carr is right. And as Noel Gallagher said: its so typical..10,000 people get outraged, but only days after it has happened. Plus, im sure that stuff like this has happened before, its just cut out of the show. They could have cut it out and apologised 2 him, without the bandwagon and the media

[jimmyfourchannels]

Anyone see Private Eye a few weeks back?

"As a comedian it is vital that we have the right to criticise anything we like in a free society. Anything except Jonathan Ross or Russell Brand of course, that might affect our careers"

[rainfallshard]

Thats because Ian Hislop and Russell Brand don'y like each other. I'm not sure why, it was something to do with when Brand was on HIGNFY.

[natmanprime]

@jimmyfourchannels I agree with rainfallshard's response, I would also add that russell could make an appropriate retort in response to hislop-"as a social commentator we have the right to criticize anything we like, as long as we don't offer anything useful in it's place. You can can make a whole career out of it that way and never be happy"

Yes it's year late it's YT get used to it ;)

[deinse81]

Jimmy Carr likes the idea of forcing people to pay for something, but he doesn't like the consequences of doing that: censorship.

If he wants freedom, then he should stand up to all violations of freedom, not just the parts that affect him personally. Until then I'll care about my money being taken away for something I don't want, and he can care about his buddy getting fired. When he's ready to work together and get rid of every act of tyranny, I'll be happy to follow suit.

[rainfallshard]

If you live in a liberal democracy your money will always be taken away for things that you don't want. It is the way modern societies function.

[BelfastAtheist]

@deinse81

Idiot.

[deinse81]

@BelfastAtheist Good point.

Oh wait. It's not. It's the exact opposite.

[J0JaRe]

Jimmy Carr is completely right...you tune into Jonathon Ross or Russel Brand and you know what to expect - not my taste so i dont listen.

This was all blown out of proportion (like 20 initial complaints) to deflect attention from the conservative party

The power of the press

[Eldritchard]

it was only two complaints that shows how whipped up the whole thing was. The papers just needed to sell copy, and the campaign against tv is the gift that keeps giving for them...

Personaly i cant stand Brand, but i hate censorship..........

[xValetinax]

Jimmy Carr is clearly an intelligent man but I don't completely agree with him. Some of his points about complaints and censorship are valid but I doubt he would find it funny if someone left messages talking about his mum like that.

[teaflax]

You'd have to be seriously fragile to do anything but erase the message and go on with your day.

[xValetinax]

Its not quite as simple as erasing the messages when those messages are going to be broadcast to millions of people and that the rest of your family are going to hear about them.

[teaflax]

A) If it's patently and obviously not true, I still don't see the problem. However, slander/libel is a completely different issue.

B) The furore increased the number of people aware of it exponentially, thus making the complainants responsible for spreading it.

[xValetinax]

There is some truth to your points about the furore making it worse for the family. However I don't understand your first point. The fact it was true left his families private business open to the criticism of the country and if it hadn't been he still wouldn't have wanted to hear his granddaughter talked about in that way.

[Brenho]

I see your point. i really do. What people must understand is that andrew sachs didnt want to take the matter further. He was happy to let it die. It should have stopped there! Unfortunately the papers made the whole matter worse to sell more papers and keep their dying medium going for an extra couple of weeks. Quite sad.

[xValetinax]

I completely agree with you Brenho. The papers made way too much out of it when there are more important things going on in the world.

[rainfallshard]

Don't you see; thats exactly the point. It shouldn't have been broadcast, but Ross and Brand are risque comics who will often go over the taste boundary. It is an editor, a sensible person, who should be cutting it when they go too far.

You can't blame Ross and Brand because the very thing that made them do what they did is the same thing which makes them beloved entertainers in the first place.

[beggarboy078]

Thank you jimmy for being the real voice of the normal public, excellent

[rickisendo]

Agree, Jimmy's not a coward like most of the celebs trying to appease the masses.

Nice work.

[robwho2]

Smart man. Respect to him for this.. finally someone sane.

[briarrose88]

finally some sense!!!

[mattmoran69er]

this is great, i luv listening to Jimmy, but do u have the whole interview or others with him? if you do plz add it !

[rainfallshard]

Its too long to add but you can still download it ATM.

Ok it won't let me comment with links.... Search "BBC Podcasts Simon Mayo" on google and it should be downloadable for two more days.

[mattmoran69er]

many thx man

[russfan101]

Well Done Jimmy...

You have just aquired a new fan...

Thank you...

Blessings x

[14ghl]

Thank you so much for this sweet little voice of sanity and reason after the absurd over-reaction to the Ross n Russ debacle. Jimmy Carr is such an intelligent, funny guy and, actually, is far more moral than the Daily Mail. Love him. x

[moloney1989]

couldnt agree more with this guy, knew he would be the voice of sense

[LilPhoenixRiver]

Jimmy Carr's in my brainbox!

X

[thinkfaster]

it's not the content that was offensive it's the line that was crossed in the revelation of private information and the smearing of a private citizen.

[amirgiles]

Who was 'smeared'? Sachs or Bailey?

Is saying you had sex with someone always offensive? E.g. all the women who sell stories of having slept with Brand?

[Ellynor]

I agree so so much.