If you fine tune something to make coffee and the coffee has bacteria in it that kills the coffee, then whoever fine tuned it should get kicked to the curb. If the earth was fine tuned for life with all these extinction level events that have happened in the past and with all the diseases and sicknesses we see, then it's logical to conclude the fine tuner was a dumbass. If I had the power I would fine tune the universe way better for life. I mean life can't even form on most planets lol
The puddle of ice in the pothole says "look at how perfectly I fit in this pot hole, this must have been made so I could be here!" .... The puddle was a theist.
@theBartone9119 Google: david deutsch anthropic universe. He says: "that won't do as an argument because the existence of someone to ask the question is a different kind of property from puddles being the same shape as the holes that they're in. It's not that we fit to the universe, that's not the amazing thing. Anything that was in the universe would fit to it, no matter how the universe were constructed. ...
@LukeABarnes If I said I was so hungry I could a horse, would you counteract with "your stomach isn't big enough"? The puddle was an analogy to prove a point, you are taking the puddle fitting in the pot hole literally..
@theBartone9119 Nope. Why does the puddle fit into the hole? Because given the law of gravity, the shape of the hole, the properties of the water, the properties of the material that makes up the sides of the hole and the properties of the earth which creates the gravitational field, the puddles could have no other shape. In short, the puddle fits the hole because of the laws, constants and initial conditions of the universe.
@LukeABarnes "Nope. Why does the puddle fit into the hole? Because given the law of gravity, the shape of the hole"
Life is here because of gravity too...If there was no gravity there would be no star formations, if there was no stars there would be no hydrogen, if there was no hydrogen, there would be no water, if there was no water there would be no life.
@theBartone9119 Fine-tuning asks why the laws, constants and initial conditions of our universe are life-permitting when most possible laws are not. We cannot appeal to the laws, constants and initial conditions to explain fine-tuning - they are the very things to be explained. They cannot be taken as given, as they are in the case of the puddle. That's why the puddle analogy is not apt.
@theBartone9119 1. I don't need to know all possible laws. If the life-permitting subset is small amongst the set we are able to study, then we can reasonably infer that the trend is not miraculously reversed just over the horizon of our knowledge. Further, these other laws are provably mathematically consistent, and thus we have the strongest possible proof (i.e. mathematical proof) that the universes they describe are possible.
2. Nope. The assumption is only that life requires complexity.
@theBartone9119 3. No such assumption is made. If anything, the assumption is made that life-permitting universes require explanation. The best evidence for this is the existence of tidy explanations for life, e.g. the multiverse.
4. Yes, and we know why. If the entire universe were as dense as the air in this room, it would recollapse under its own gravity in a day. A universe that contains life needs to be very diffuse, and thus mostly hostile.
1) we know enough of the most important laws in this universe.
2/3) Sure its possible. But were talking about our universe. 4) The point is if you move any of OUR universal constants a little bit. There would be no stars. no mass, no light, no heat. Tell me how life can come from that. This raise questions. And avoid asking these question because of your bias against a concept is Stupid.And no im not religious.Im Agnostic. Unlike you i like to ask questions.
@Lone432345 If there is an all powerful God and he wanted the entire universe to be as dense as the air in this room without the universe collapsing, are you saying he couldn't do it? If there is a God, he could have made any universe he wanted without any restrictions. The fact that you admit limitations and restrictions actually hurts your case for God, funny actually lol
@theBartone9119 ... The thing which requires explanation is ... the existence of knowledge... There are some physical objects in the universe, namely human brains, whose internal constitution, whose mathematical relationships and causal structure reflects that of the universe as a whole. It doesn't just reflect the niche that we evolved in like the puddle to its hole....If that wasn't amazing enough, it reflects it with increasing accuracy over time."
GOD particle exist within Human body which is CERN Laboratory of Nature.for details see YOU TUBE VK SONAKIA ans read article on all voices.com -certainty-tool-is-higgin-boson-or-god-particle-which-exist-in-human-body.We have already developed next generation easy to learn unified science.world scientist atr welcome to see and test FIT-Future Imaging Tool technology
fine tuned for what? for life? how do you know its all just for life. cuz life exists? XD
so do black holes. and theyre more numerous than anything. was it tuned for black holes? the constants of the universe are delicate, but you cant just put your own reason for it.
@nickallah Black Holes doesn't require much fine-tuning if any at all. As long as you have gravity and matter it is possible to make Black Holes. Not the same story for life.
Anyone who thinks the universe was fine tuned for life is insane. Who would fine tune an entire universe filled with hundreds of billions of galaxies containing hundreds of billion stars just so a life on a tiny rock could exist? A cold vacuum of space, a world with volcanoes, bacteria, disease earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, a world vunerable to asteroid impacts, a world that has gone through ice ages......You call that fine tuning? Was the fine tuner drunk off his ass?
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@Lone432345 "The assumption is only that life requires complexity."
So what complexity is responsible for the living God's existence?
"If anything, the assumption is made that life-permitting universes require explanation"
Any universe requires explanation, there is no evidence that this explanation is God.
"If the entire universe were as dense as the air in this room, it would recollapse under its own gravity in a day"
If God existed, he could prevent that. So that point is moot.
theBartone9119 3 weeks ago
If you fine tune something to make coffee and the coffee has bacteria in it that kills the coffee, then whoever fine tuned it should get kicked to the curb. If the earth was fine tuned for life with all these extinction level events that have happened in the past and with all the diseases and sicknesses we see, then it's logical to conclude the fine tuner was a dumbass. If I had the power I would fine tune the universe way better for life. I mean life can't even form on most planets lol
theBartone9119 1 month ago
The puddle of ice in the pothole says "look at how perfectly I fit in this pot hole, this must have been made so I could be here!" .... The puddle was a theist.
theBartone9119 2 months ago
@theBartone9119 Google: david deutsch anthropic universe. He says: "that won't do as an argument because the existence of someone to ask the question is a different kind of property from puddles being the same shape as the holes that they're in. It's not that we fit to the universe, that's not the amazing thing. Anything that was in the universe would fit to it, no matter how the universe were constructed. ...
LukeABarnes 1 month ago
@LukeABarnes If I said I was so hungry I could a horse, would you counteract with "your stomach isn't big enough"? The puddle was an analogy to prove a point, you are taking the puddle fitting in the pot hole literally..
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 Nope. Why does the puddle fit into the hole? Because given the law of gravity, the shape of the hole, the properties of the water, the properties of the material that makes up the sides of the hole and the properties of the earth which creates the gravitational field, the puddles could have no other shape. In short, the puddle fits the hole because of the laws, constants and initial conditions of the universe.
LukeABarnes 1 month ago
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@LukeABarnes "Nope. Why does the puddle fit into the hole? Because given the law of gravity, the shape of the hole"
Life is here because of gravity too...If there was no gravity there would be no star formations, if there was no stars there would be no hydrogen, if there was no hydrogen, there would be no water, if there was no water there would be no life.
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 Fine-tuning asks why the laws, constants and initial conditions of our universe are life-permitting when most possible laws are not. We cannot appeal to the laws, constants and initial conditions to explain fine-tuning - they are the very things to be explained. They cannot be taken as given, as they are in the case of the puddle. That's why the puddle analogy is not apt.
LukeABarnes 1 month ago
@LukeABarnes "Fine-tuning asks why the laws, constants and initial conditions of our universe are life-permitting when most possible laws are not."
1) You don't know all possible laws, you don't even know if the ones you think are possible, are
2) You are assuming carbon based life is the only type of life that can exist
3) You are assuming life is the most special thing conceivable, in a different universe something greater than life may be possible
4) 99.99% of the universe is hostile to life
theBartone9119 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 1. I don't need to know all possible laws. If the life-permitting subset is small amongst the set we are able to study, then we can reasonably infer that the trend is not miraculously reversed just over the horizon of our knowledge. Further, these other laws are provably mathematically consistent, and thus we have the strongest possible proof (i.e. mathematical proof) that the universes they describe are possible.
2. Nope. The assumption is only that life requires complexity.
LukeABarnes 1 month ago
@theBartone9119 3. No such assumption is made. If anything, the assumption is made that life-permitting universes require explanation. The best evidence for this is the existence of tidy explanations for life, e.g. the multiverse.
4. Yes, and we know why. If the entire universe were as dense as the air in this room, it would recollapse under its own gravity in a day. A universe that contains life needs to be very diffuse, and thus mostly hostile.
LukeABarnes 1 month ago
@theBartone9119
1) we know enough of the most important laws in this universe.
2/3) Sure its possible. But were talking about our universe. 4) The point is if you move any of OUR universal constants a little bit. There would be no stars. no mass, no light, no heat. Tell me how life can come from that. This raise questions. And avoid asking these question because of your bias against a concept is Stupid.And no im not religious.Im Agnostic. Unlike you i like to ask questions.
Lone432345 3 weeks ago
@Lone432345 "The point is if you move any of OUR universal constants a little bit. There would be no stars"
How do you know the constants can be moved?
theBartone9119 3 weeks ago
@Lone432345 If there is an all powerful God and he wanted the entire universe to be as dense as the air in this room without the universe collapsing, are you saying he couldn't do it? If there is a God, he could have made any universe he wanted without any restrictions. The fact that you admit limitations and restrictions actually hurts your case for God, funny actually lol
theBartone9119 3 weeks ago
@theBartone9119 ... The thing which requires explanation is ... the existence of knowledge... There are some physical objects in the universe, namely human brains, whose internal constitution, whose mathematical relationships and causal structure reflects that of the universe as a whole. It doesn't just reflect the niche that we evolved in like the puddle to its hole....If that wasn't amazing enough, it reflects it with increasing accuracy over time."
LukeABarnes 1 month ago
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vksonakia 6 months ago
fine tuned for what? for life? how do you know its all just for life. cuz life exists? XD
so do black holes. and theyre more numerous than anything. was it tuned for black holes? the constants of the universe are delicate, but you cant just put your own reason for it.
nickallah 10 months ago
@nickallah Black Holes doesn't require much fine-tuning if any at all. As long as you have gravity and matter it is possible to make Black Holes. Not the same story for life.
TheisticThinker 3 months ago
Anyone who thinks the universe was fine tuned for life is insane. Who would fine tune an entire universe filled with hundreds of billions of galaxies containing hundreds of billion stars just so a life on a tiny rock could exist? A cold vacuum of space, a world with volcanoes, bacteria, disease earthquakes, tsunamis, floods, a world vunerable to asteroid impacts, a world that has gone through ice ages......You call that fine tuning? Was the fine tuner drunk off his ass?
theBartone9119 1 month ago
Luke...your videos are first class..the reason why people can't get their heads around the amazing truth of how our universe came to be ''real''
PAUL7575000 11 months ago
Thanks for putting up this video. It helped me study for a college class test.
riddlec 1 year ago