IPSC Speech at Dublin Mayday rally, 9th May 2009

[ulsterscot]

The palestinians choose terror....always have. They received more aid than most but werent interested in building a society for its people...rather, they were interested in building up their terror state and the killing of Jews.

[darkriver29]

Hahaha Great Joke - do you actually know what it is like living under occupation - half of the Palestinians (in Gaza/West Bank) receive two dollars a week - and are now building their houses out of mud since they cannot import cement over the border

[moseskoses]

OH YES!! the mother of ALL LIES..."cuz the arabs asked them" Zionist propaganda i swear to god thats wht it is. Palestinians left either because of wht happened in the "massacre of deir yassin" (wikipedia it) (thats how most major cities were cleared) or because they were kicked deliberatly by the IDF(how most villages were cleared). Read the book "ethnic cleansing of palestine " by Ilan Pape an ISRAELI author.

[buckfastdrinker]

your facts are not coerrect .

ireland supports israel. say no to hamas terriosists who state in their charter that their main aim is to destroy israel and kill all jews. is this ok freda ?

[moseskoses]

great speech...sure will do my best make it to the confrence...

[buckfastdrinker]

do go if you want to hear lies. please do your own research first. things arent as simple and one sided as this support group tries to make it out to be.

[moseskoses]

Dear friend. I am palestinian and i knw first hand that all the crap u hear in the news is lies. me and my family experienced this shit first hand. grandparents kicked out of their homes in 1948 and their lands confiscated in the city of Jaffa just for being palestinian, now isnt that being racist? over 1400 Palestinians died in the Gaza "war" over a third of them children...and thats the fucking UN report. Doesnt matter that my aunts where there almost killed in the gaza war.

[buckfastdrinker]

1949 ? were they kicked out or asked to leave by the arab leaders ? most of the arab landowners in palestine were more than happy to sell their swampy and desert land to the jews. who turned it into something special. didnt hamas turn gaza into a terriosist camp?

sending 1000s of rockets into israel? and this was AFTER israel left gaza. not ONE israeli left in gaza. life will be better for your people when hamas is gone.

[moseskoses]

second of all it does not fking matter wht the reason is they left their homes, doesnt make it not their homees anymore does it?!?!?!. Stop having that colonialist mentality of urs.Swampy?!?! thats wht they told u? my family used to grow and export oranges to liverpool and paris be4 ur greatgrand father was born!

[buckfastdrinker]

of course it matters !! do you want to talk about the 500 00 jews that were kicked out of arab countries after 1948? my mentality is the fruits of my own experience and research.i am not your enemy.

[moseskoses]

Ok thats wht u think. Well the info u got is wrong. go check out "deir yassin massacre". First israeli prime minister said if it wasnt for that masscre israel wouldnt have exsisted. 2 wrongs dont make a right. The 500 000 jews got another home which is "Israel". We on the other hands are living in refugee camps not fit for animals to live in. "jst mix with the arab countries" u tell me...well they hate us more than they jews consider us a burden. thats a fact the news wont tell u.

[buckfastdrinker]

i could quote you loads of massacres carried out by palestinians before and after 1948.

500 00 got another home? so thats ok then? take their businesses, property, money, get out go to israel? do you knoe and then ( and now ) there is more jews living outside of israel , that have no desire to live in israel.

jews have one country jerusalem , israel. you guys have loads.

for your information i dont get my news from youtube. i have been to gaza, west bank, israel ,iraq, syria, lebbannon.

[moseskoses]

before 1948 there have been a few massacres carried out by both parties none as bad as deir yassin u jst dnt understand my point...it was the reason why palestinians left their homes! still is their HOMES. As I said 2 wrongs dont make a right! But u gta know a lot of those jews left on their own. Most of the jews kicked out where the Yemeni jews. Anyway what do u mean "you guys have loads"...are you willing to live in a refugee camp? from owning farm lands and homes on the beach to a REFUGE CAMP

[buckfastdrinker]

they did not leave on there own. dont be silly . not just yemen. google 500 000 JEWS KICKED OUT OF ARAB COUNTRIES. i have been to the camps. some are good some not. the solution is not to be found in israel for them. that is for arab countries to solve.

[moseskoses]

Well if thats wht u think then u think we r worth less than dogs. with no dignity. Would u have accepted that? AS I FKING SAID 2 WRONGS DONT MAKE A RIGHT!!! GET THIS IN UR THICK HEAD. FUCK the arabs they have done nothing for us, and frankly they dnt fking have too we are differnt people! like saying the british and the irish, the germans and the italians one ppl they r both western countries and both christians.

[moseskoses]

Refugee camps in coutries we never were WELCOME IN! ur not palestinian u dnt knw. Being arab isnt being in an ethnic group not even cultural, its only about speaking the same languange. Quite frankly i couldnt care less where uve traveled to, ur info is extremely bias. Deep down u think jewish blood is more valuable that the blood of a palestinian. cuz they turned the "swamps" into paridise...they prolly showed u a pic of the african desert n said this used to be palestine be4 we came in.

[buckfastdrinker]

n i believe all people are equal. feel strongly about this. you wont believe me cause it sounds like you have become too conditioned, not your fault. but at least there is still some palestinians left who are trying real hard to bring about a palestinian state , living side by side with israel, at peace and my goodness, even working together.

[moseskoses]

At last we can agree on something. at this point many palestinians are willing to compramise for the sake of peace...but remember this, not a single palestinian is willing to give up 2 things which are, the right of the palestinian refugees to return to their homes and east Jerusalem to be our capital. Other than that I only have to say that most israelis are not willing to give up the west bank for the sake of peace cuz they rnt the under dogs here. Thats how 99% of palestinians feel i promise.

[buckfastdrinker]

compramise is good. so far israel gave back sinai for a peace deal with egypt. they give back gaza to the palestinians whick was a painful concession , especially considering what hamas did with if after they left !turned it into a rocket launching area. israel is also willing to give up the golan heights to syria , when the climate is right for suuc a move i.e , when syria stops supporting terror in the area.

[buckfastdrinker]

palestinian refugees ? you are aware that in the past 20 years israel has admitted more than 100 000 palestinians into israel to be reunited with their families? more than ONE MILLION arabs, both christian and muslim live in israel ! as for jerusalem, thats a different story. no israeli government will EVER divide the capital city of israel.

[moseskoses]

I dont get ur point...its like a plaster on a bullet wound....u dont get it do u 4 million refugees still in camps...until wen? The arabs dont want the responsibility of these palestinians, most of them living with no passports no citizinship. And if you are right about Jerusalem then im affraid there will NEVER be peace in Palestine. I am sure that u knw by a certain UN resolution Israel is supposed to give bak east jerusalem.

[buckfastdrinker]

palestinians have no claim to jerusalem . they are just one in a long line of invaders who try to claim jerusalem as their own !

in the jewish bible jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times .

in the koran ? ZERO.

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[moseskoses]

What do u mean no claim? who are YOU to decide who has claim? IT IS STOLEN LAND! Past invaders NEVER kicked out the citizens of Jerusalem like the Zionists did! Who are YOU to teach me about my own Religion! For ur information it is mentioned several time... But i dont need to justify it that way...what about the christians or the atheist secular Palestinians?!?! its completely useless talking to u I got exams to study for goodbye.

[buckfastdrinker]

the palestinians are a relativly new invader to the area. the term "palestine first came from the philistines, an aegean people who, in the 12th century b.c , settled along the mediterranean coast of what is now israel and the gaza strip.

[moseskoses]

again dnt preach to me about who I am...genetic tests prove that we are related to those people aswell to some ethnic jews. There is also mixing with the arab from the arabian peninsula but again that doesnt matter. wht matters is that we lived there and we were kicked out, doesnt matter wht happened before that.

[buckfastdrinker]

of course it matters !! it matters because you think you can claim jerusalem as your capital in a future palestinian state . yous like to potray those bad zionist jews as the invaders with no connection to israel.

[moseskoses]

thank you for saying it they are invaders! im not saying that they dnt have any relation to the country but if everyone wants to go back n live where their ancestors lived 3000 years ago wtf do u think would happen in the world huh?!?! and my good friend the jews have always been welcome to live in jerusalem especially under the ottoman rule, but then the EUROPEAN zionists came and kicked the ppl who been living there for centeries if not millinia!!

[buckfastdrinker]

my goodnes what a statement !! seems youve been drinking that good dublin guiness !!

[moseskoses]

n yes ive heard its good stout but i dnt drink...

[buckfastdrinker]

i hear that even breathing the dublin air contains some guiness particles.

[moseskoses]

That might be true but only on weekends...

[buckfastdrinker]

in the second century a.d after crusging the last jewish revolt, the romans first applied the name palastina to judea( the southern part of the west bank) in an attempt to minimize jewish identification with the land of israel. the arabic word" filastin" is devived from this latin name.

[moseskoses]

so once again dont teach me about my religion. and once agian i tell u this isnt about religion. Its about ethnic racist against the palestinians. And yes the origins of the word is true, and many ppl have mixed in this area resulting in the palestinian population that lived there as i said genetics tests show that pals are related to jews greeces romans and arabs...

[buckfastdrinker]

i dont know or care what your religion is. i will tell you that you that you are now living in a period of miracles!! israel , with jerusalem as its capital is the ONLY PLACE ON EARTH that jews can call home. the only place that they can truly feel at peace. im sure the palestinians will have their future state soon, ALONG SIDE ISRAEL, but i can promise you that not one inch will of jerusalem will be given to the palestinians !

[darkriver29]

Last I heard Tel Aviv was the capital of Israel

[buckfastdrinker]

jerusalem is not mentioned once in the koran.

[moseskoses]

"Glory to He (God) Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless " Quraan 17:1...the farthest mosque being al aqsa mosque and thats a literally translation..."temple mount" is also mentioned several times...One of the greatest miricles of islam is that we beleive mohammed went and prayed with the rest of the prophets in the aqsa mosque at that night. We even used to face jerusalem in our prayers be4 turning to al kabaa

[buckfastdrinker]

i will repeat JERUSALEM is not mentioned even once. thanks for clarifing this.

[moseskoses]

buddy buddy buddy u still dont get the point im getting at i repeated it many times but u jst seem to ignore it cuz deep down inside you know wht is fair and what is not. Im Palestinian from Jaffa where do you think my home is at? wht place do u think I should call home now? Dublin? as much as i love the place and its people it sure as hell not my country...No justice no peace, unless my ppl have sumwhere to call home and jerusalem is our capital or at least shared, then peace will never come.

[buckfastdrinker]

buddy buddy buddy i have replied to this point several times !! a future state will come for yous. i hope you treat it better than u did the gaza strip a few years ago when israel returned it to yous. JERUSALEM WILL NEVER BE YOUR CAPITAL.

ramallah ? perhaps. jerhico ? perhaps . jenin? who knows............. hamas has set your dream back many many years.

[moseskoses]

Well then no peace will ever come, i promise you no palestinian neither muslim or christian will ever give up the right of east jerusalem....and this war will go on until god knows when. As for the west bank, I promise you thats how israel feels aswell they do not intend one bit to return it to us. So well se i predict a WW3 or judgment day before any change could happen. Its not hamas, hamas didnt exsist 20 sumthing years ago but israels been holding the west bank for over 40 years!

[buckfastdrinker]

peace will come.. most human s have evolved away from war mentality. you do know that when you say EAST JERUSALEM you mean the western wall, the holiest place for jews, the remains of their second temple? do you honestly think that will happen? hamas is not the only reason. i said they have set yous back years. so u think israel will never return west bank? well, the same was said of gaza ! israel has more than enough land , without west bank , for every jew on this planet to RETURN to.

[moseskoses]

doesnt matter who i support or where im from. Jst think of the 1400 ppl killed a third of them children. No matter what the situation is they stole our lands ok u dnt care, they humiliated us we stood up. but then they slaughtered us and u come here and try to deny it or make excuses for this? now theres sumthing with u then. 1400 the majority of them civilians. Any human being with a heart should be able to knw that that is wrong no matter who u support israel or hamas.

[buckfastdrinker]

1400 people. third of them children. yes it is sad. and it is also sad that hamas are willing to sacrafice their own wives and children . it is well know that hamas use their own women and children as human sheilds. thay are willing to to this as they think it will bring tham happiness in the next life ! how do you deal with a group with this mentality and still protecyt the innocent people?

[moseskoses]

Give me one picture proving this fact "human sheilds" One photo please i beg u. Dont be a sheep my friend...yes it is sad but i dont beleive that u give a shit about them. they r jst a number to u. Go read on Haartz the israeli news paper how the army had "loose terms of engagment" that they were alowed to kill anything thats moving. lsn its too much info stop watching youtube videos and go read sumthing proper. i recomend Haaretz.

[buckfastdrinker]

i am sure you know all about the human shields yourself moseskoses. you whave found the stories and you havr personally herad the stories. you guys voted hamas. another disaster for the palestinian people.

[moseskoses]

Lsn forget about hamas im not talking about hamas. Hamas was voted cuz they got fking SICK of the blockade. They were living in an open air prison. give me one difference between gaza and a prison? no1 goes in no1 goes out. enough food to feed SHIT. imagine U lived in that situation wht would u do? who would u vote for? ps blockade was during the fatah administration even the "modrate secular" party were being punished.

[buckfastdrinker]

forget about hamas? i wish i could. and i wish you guys would too !

why is there a blockade? why are there checkpoints? to stop the terriosists commiting suicide bombings in israel and other murder acts. at the end of the day, israel just wants left alone. they have enough land. they are a modern country and is moving along nicely in spite of everything.

[moseskoses]

They will never be left alone when 4 million of my ppl live with no passports no identities in refugee camps, if ur smart u wouldve made that conclusion. dnt take this to the west bank we can live with check points but we cant live in a fking prison. this "war" to defend itself unusually brought about quite a lot of colateral damage dnt u think?