Islamic System - Dr israr Vs Javed Ahmed Ghamidi Part 2/8

[5940279]

Ghamdi son of America

[5940279]

Ghamdi is saying which is applicable to Europe and America

[reasonlight]

Nice seeing them sitting together.

[PAKISTAN77801]

Nice

[PAKISTAN77801]

Ghamidi sahab explained nucely

[ISMASHYOUBRO]

Ghamidi is severely misguided.

[yasirbdg]

Be ware of Munkar-e-Hadees here. We can not discard all the Hadis just because someone has hatred for Iranian Imams.

Its only Hadis & Sunnah which tells and guide how to fulfill our Ibadats and give us details.

Please be careful !!!

[alphamalezbr]

the female anchor is such an idiot

[intdx]

We need to refer Quran, Sunnah and authentic hadith to determine Islamic law. Ghamidi quotations from Quranic and reference to historical facts made his arguments more sound. We need to get above our whims and logic and see what Quran is telling.

[Emran195]

ghamdi jesa insaan aaj tak nai daikha mental case

[akdlhr]

gamdi sb bohat solid bat krte hain or dosray ki baat ko kat kr nai boltay.

[baiboo]

ghamidi Sb is great

[SagRulz123]

Allah ghamdi ko hidayat dey ....

[peacemaker571]

jis say jigare lala main thandak ho wo shabnam ===== ghamdi

dryaoon k dil jis say dehal jayen wo tofaan ====== Dr israr

i became a revolutionary by dr israr ahmed and intelegent by ghamdi sahab may God bless them both amin



[7616557]

gamdi can convince all those who havnt studied islam at all

[muab6]

Mera reply un sab narm o resham muslims keleay hy jo Dr. israr ke Qatal wale bat ko zalimana keh rahe hen. beshak AAP S.A.W rehmat ul Alamin hen lekin wohe NAbi Pak S.A.W chori par hath katne ka hukam dete hen. tum ne samjha hi nahen DR.ISrar ko wo keh rahe hen agar un do amal par hAKOMAT amal pera karwa sakte hy to phir wohe hakomat Quran ke mutabiq jo un amal ko pura nai karte yani ieman wale nahen hen unhen Qatal kare. Aqal na ho to comment mat karo ka kar Tafseer parhoo ok.

[farhanahmed12]

ghamdi is secular and west speaker

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[ISMASHYOUBRO]

@FictionsBlaster Here you are again thumbs upping yourself. No sane Muslim should click on this; it's just a means of starting a pointless fitna.

[imranbichu]

election is election constitution is constitution///Dr saab 

[armnpk]

Ghamdi's views were totally convincing to me..

[ismahooAhmad]

Israr Sahib kay islam kay mutabik serif woh khud zinda bachtay hain, baki saray qatal ho jain gay. Har baat par qatal. Laiken Rasool Ullah SAW rehmat ul lilalaameen thay na keh saza danay wale darogha. Yeh Islam ki taleem kay khilaaf batain hain. Islam Amaan aur salaamti ka mazhab hay. Warna jo bhi Islam ki taaleem kay barkhilaaf taaqat aur danday kay zor par hakkomat chahay ga khud doosri takton say danday khay ga, jaisa keh taliban kha rahay hain.

[arshadlateef11]

ask. bahot khob badi acchi discuss hi main aap tamam logaon ko mubarak baat donga k aapne bade discipline ka muzahera kia. aur apni baat ko dalayal ki roshni me pesh kia.jazakumullahu khairan.

[TheNaseerAwan]

Dr Israr is real Scholar and Gamdi is hypocrite...

[wamsluv]

Ghaamidi is a philosopher ...  Dr. Israr is a scholar.

[BLUESTREAK0777]

ghamdi...kus ka bacha

[pathangpathang]

According to Ghamidi sahab, if your personal actions are not affecting anyone's rights, then Islamic government can't punish him. According to Dr. Israr, Islamic government can punish individuals if they have committed a sin.

I think that we should not say anything about it unless we have complete knowledge about it.

[shambd]

MAY ALLAH give hedayat to MR Gamdi

[ithreece]

I would like to ask Mr Ghamdi as to what is the punishment for 'itidaad' or what is called apostacy?

[urbest1lover]

There is a conspiracy about Mr. Ghamdi, that he is trained and hired by Jews or Mosad, to spread different kind of Islam in the minds of young people of Pakistan. He always interprate Islam in very wrong way.. I used to listen him but then Alhamdulillah i realized that yous should not listen to him unless you have strong Eemaan..

[haemakhan]

Mashallah both are gr8 but Ghamdi sab is more convincing than dr Israr.

[angelindevils]

salam brothers n sisters,

people like ghamidi and his followers are trying to keep and follow only those things which are easier to follow in today's world. they try to prove anything wrong r lenient which does not suite their living style or modern western standards.

if you are not conservative or does not like your past, it's fine, practice your own way but don't try to deface or use your very own interpretation of ISLAM.

and being a conservative is not bad at all if u follow right principles

[furry1457232]

sorry im with ghamdi on this, god gave us the power to choose and that is what we will be tested on...our choices will determine our afterlife, and if the government imposes all the commandments then there would be no need for free will...god couldve just programmed us like a computer instead...for me ghamdi is a 100 percent right and israr is slightly psycotic...prophet in his time did not even force people to pray, plus its very impractical to implement each and every probibited act

[imexcruciate]

bro/sis, you are perfectly right, but what can one do when the stupid born-muslim comes and say, no this is wrong, this is not liberalism. I wont even pray for the, that Allah guides them coz they dont want to be guided, Allah only guides those ppl who wanted the guidance. May Allah destroy and shows His wrath upon them, Amen

[PinkyFromPK]

At 7:50 Ghamdi Sb. nay bilkul sahi kaha "jis cheez ka taluq oor logon say hay us ko zaroor nafiz kia jaay ga, or jis cheez ka taluq sirf maray say hay ISLAMI hakomat us ko nafiz nahi ker sakti".

To Ghamdi Bahi ager koi apnay gher main nanga ghomta hay, to woh us ka zati(personal) masala hay. Lakin jab who sarak(road) per BAY-PARDA aata hay to ddosray logon ko parayshani/taklleef/ or dosray logon kay liay gunah ki waja or parayshani ki waja banti hay. baray/ bachay BAY-PARDA ko daykhan gay.

[someone19832000]

I would like to ask Mr Ghamdi that what if a man and a woman are caught involved in sex? Quran is very strict on this. but Mr Ghamdi has an opinion no punishment to both of them. and let me clarify I said sex not rape. Still, ALLAH knows the best.

[auglars5]

i am in saudia, many students of Madina University writing letters to Ghamdi as they want time from him and media to prove him a "fitna" ...

ghamdi will never quote a full Ayat from Quran, a few words from Quran and will try to miss guide ppl ... while Dr. Israr will always state complete Ayat ... as done in this episode

[oksialkot]

Ghamdi is taking a lead. His arguments aspire me more. He is clearer in his views and backs them well.

[dadarocks]

By the way so much for tolerance here they both are agreeing how death was the punishment for not formally accepting islam..sick

[dadarocks]

ghamdi is right israr ahmed is confusing crime againsst fellow huma being to supposed immoral act in eyes of god where no third party is involved

[nilo723]

In the Rashidun Caliphate, a punishment was fixed for people who drink alcohol..

now in this the person is only harming himself by sin, and no other party is involved..but still the government devised a punishment for him..

This explains the fact the govt can make such laws if necessary and change them too, but to say that they do no have the authority is wrong..

[dadarocks]

Rashidun khaliphat is nto qwuran or hadith.. Khlid biN walid even killed one of sahabas who did not accept abu bakrs; leadership and had sex with hsi wife same night.. so id that oke too

[nilo723]

the same policies were adopted by Hazrat Ali(ra) too..

[dadarocks]

@nilo723 Again doesn;t matetr as long as it's nto in quran and hadith it means zilch zero nada

[sidrabaji]

GHAMIDI PER ALLAH KI LANAT HOO.

[faisaldinaa]

Dr.israr is greatest......no one can be better ......luv U sir

[salman8857]

Ghamidi is absolutely at false standing and is following a PERVAIZI school of thoughts and its a shame our media is giving him coverage, i personally believe he should be banned from appearing on our country'd media.

[sherdil90]

GHAMDI FITNAH HAI DOGGY!!

[jeezus22]

i think us brothers should stop falling down to the level of ignorant fools and pay attention to the discussion. Having a different interpretation is normal, you people donot have to abuse each other. I think the the difference lies in the interpretation of the ayats. I think dr. Israr brings a lot hadees in the argument not realziing that hadees is a man made collection which can be correct or incorrect. Ghamdi on the other hand is sticking to the quran which is what the rasool himself did.

[dilll1990]

JAVED GHAMDI IS FITNA and dog

[barelyaverage]

kuch sharam karo.....atleast study Islam before writing these kind of comments.

Dr Israr and Ghamidi saheb both aare great minds!

[saleemfarooq123]

Sharam karo. Ghamidi jaisy kutty ko Dr Israr sahib ke sath milaty ho. Ghamidi khabees hai aur Dr Israr Allah ke shan aur Musalmano per Allah ka ahsaan hain. Ghamidi wajab ul qatal hai. Ghamidi aur Ghamidi ko follow kerny waly kafer hain aur un ka hasher bhe who he ho ga Shaheed Riaz Basra ne Shia kafron ka kiya. Un ko Qatal ker ke un ke masjadon ko tabah ker ke aur un ke gher jila ker. Aisi sooch ke log Musalman nahi hain. Dr Israr ko follow kerny waly janty hain ke aisy logon ka kaya kerna hai.

[barelyaverage]

@saleemfarooq123...u fuking dickhead son of a bitch, dont u dare call anyone kuta cuz its fukin mama who shove her ass with a dog's dick and u filthy pig was born. U will die a pig's death cuz u dont have respect for anyone u retarted mudafuker!!

[saleemfarooq123]

Barelyaverage you are stupid. You are confused and people like you are misguided. You have to decide who was wrong and who was right and follow him. Hz Umer Rz had to teach a lesson to Hz Ali and dragged him in the streets of Madina with rope in his neck because he was a baghi, Again Hz Moavia Rz had to fight with Hz Ali to protect Islam and in the end Hz Yazeed Rz had to finish the rest of them in Karbala to protect Islamic rule. We have to face this truth that Ahl-e- Bait were misguided.

[barelyaverage]

I think your comments pretty much portray your sick mind. You seem to the stupidest asshole alive. In my comments I never said that Dr Israr is a bad scholar, I just mentioned that both of these are great people and u ass started abusing. Its people like you who have destroyed the true face of Islam by not doing research. If you have listened to Ghamidi Sahib, he always condemns Pervazi and other people like him but since you mind is retarded for others that y u dont pay attention!

[saleemfarooq123]

Is liya he to kaha hai ke tum confuse ho. Agar Dr Israr aur Dr Zakir Naik ko sacha scholor samajhty ho to kaya tum ko un ke clear belief ko follow kerna chahiya hai. San confusion khatam ho jai ga. Rasul aur Aulad-e- Rasul ke izzat kerty hain magar un ko poojty nahi. Ye ham jaisy insan the koi farishty nahi the. Ghaltiyan kerty the aur Quran main Rasul ke Allah ne is wajha se he sarzish bhe ke hai. Apna concept clear karo. Jazbati nahi logical way main meri bat per socho.

[barelyaverage]

what the fuk r u talking about??? ....u retarded...read again what I wrote!

[tajsalman]

GHAMDI IS FITNA......... if u dont believe u should get the book " GHAMDI MAZHAB KIA HAI"...

[bullehshah3]

I agreed with Ghamidi's stand point, great mind of our time.

[Muneeb58]

We pray for more educated scholars like Javaid Ahmad Ghmidi.We need these kind of scholars these days very much.Our land no doubt is very furtile for narrow minded Mullas like Israr sahib but we have to change the attitude of our illiterate nation, because they have already suffered too much. Barelvi,Sunni,Shias,Deobandis ,bala ,bala,bala are all the result of illiteracy of our people and are idiots.I have not heard anybody like Ghamidi before.Excellent.Jihad does not mean to kill people.

[ohwahwah]

do any one know about "GAZWA E HIND"

If not then search gazwa e hind in youtube.

[tajsalman]

GHAMDI IS THE FITNA,,,,,,,,, he do not believe in JIHAD..

[jdl759]

piSSlam is nothing but a greenish pond of stale vomit.

muhamad the paedophile murderer scum was a psychopath faggot

Mecca should be nuked (preferably when its full of dirty swines circling around the mystical turd)

[3SQNDan]

@jdl759...

wow did you regurgitate that all by yourself or did you have help with all your other half wit bigots...

3rd rate cock suckers trolling around Islamic topics.

Dont you have a dick to suck somewhere? preferably MINE! Get to it asshole. move those lips.

[barelyaverage]

Dr Israr is a very respected figure but I guess Ghamidi was much more logical in this discussion.....plz upload more programs like these....they are very very knowledgeable!

[misskhan008]

Loved it.

[3SQNDan]

all dr Israr can talk about is 'qatl' 'qatl keay jao gay'..again and again...

whereas one look at Dr Ghamidi...even if we dont agree with him will show his rationality and deference to a logical scale to weigh any issue...

Israr's eyes look like they will literally pop out of his head...

[misskhan008]

For God sake have some degree of respect for the scholars who might be of your grandfather's or fathers age. Such rude words are not befitting for any muslim to use.

[ranathegreat08]

ghamidi is somehow right. Dr. Israr seems influenced from from so called fiqah imams. Dr israr wnts to punish people for those things which are purely between Allah and man. My dear Dr Israr if you are reading this i challange u to answer.

If u (the molvi govt) punish a person for not having a beard, then will he be punished by Allah subhan taala again in life hereafter? Who authorised u Mr Israr to take in your hands what Allah taala's own authority?

[abdullahdeewana]

koi bhi amal kisee ka zaati amal kaisay hosakta hey ? virasat key mamlay mein agar beta yeh keh day key mujey nahi chahiyay to yeh uss ka haq hee nahi hey key wo inkaar karay to yeh uss ka zaati fail kaisay hogya ? ajeeb misaal dee hey ghamidi ney

[wasimax123]

mehwish if u r not willing to understand ... plz better u dont abuse here ... he is not saying that women shoudlnt maintain their hijab ... he is saying no government can impose it .. as no government can impose to offer hajj while it is farz on every one ....

[MehwishMakkah]

how stupid is ghamdi, Quran clearly says about women hijab even all religious scriptures orders women to maintain their hijab and pakistani women dress is clearly unislamic and the men are so stupid and shameless sending their women out to earn.

[3SQNDan]

what a lying and uncouth bitch you are mahwish...kuttee finta parast!

[misskhan008]

Islam also requires us to be polite and respectful to our elders? Your choice of words does not reflect that.

[3SQNDan]

@misskhan008...

I have no respect for 'scholars' who propose to spread FItna as their life's work...

That Bastard Maudoodi and his illegitimate son Israr are enemies of Pakistan and all Muslims who live in it. They are the cancer that Jinnah and Iqbal warned us about...

so stop worrying about who is polite to these pigs.

Their deeds are before us in the form of the Takfeeri Scum that killed 110 plus people in peshawar.

Do NOT defend them. Do NOT defend this khwariji Fitna.

[HashmisQureshis]

totally agree . these are kharjis fitnas and a big cancer for Pakistan and its comming generation .

[wexhamboy11]

First of all you are using words like bastard and pigs, which we are not even supposed to use for kuffar..Hypocrates like you have a problem with people who want to establish sharia ..becoz then you wouldnt have the choice to live your western life style..Grow up for Gods sake...ABout Iqbal RA he praised Maulna maududi rather than criticizing him....i thnk for you people like musharaf altaf zardari must be your favourites who drink and go for jogging in shorts with their pet dogs

[3SQNDan]

@wexhamboy11...

ah by your nic you are a chootiya UK pakistani right? The most confused and mis guided people in the 'ummah'. Iqbal DID NOT praise Maudoodi EVER!!! Iqbal died in 38..Maudoodi was NO ONE at that time.

Such a pathetic Liar you are. Probably havent even read Iqbal or his 're-construction of religious thought in Islam'...

He curses Mullahs. IN fact iqbal said.. 'Deen e Mullah kya? Fitna Fi sabeelillah'..

so STOP Lying you dirty little crook...

now sod off...

[saifulilm]

@MehwishMakkah And how stupid are you Mehwish. You are declaring him to he stupid without understanding his stance.

[MehwishMakkah]

@saifulilm u urself is the biggest stupid and idiot, u need to clear ur mind. how dare u wrote to me u biggest stupid. in fact ur name displays all.

[franzxxxx]

@MehwishMakkah ur comment cleary shows that u didn't understood whts at hand in the discussion.

[0426541129]

@MehwishMakkah there can be a better way of putting your point then saying STUPID

[alijanness]

at some things ghamdi is right and at some points israr is right

[nomaneagle]

Beautiful. Absolutely Beautiful. Two genius scholars sharing their knowledge with a layman like me. A sea of knowledge. Difference of opinion between both of them shows that its not a fake discussion.

[k1ng0fheart]

Well agur Ghamidi ki iss baat ko accept ker liye jaye ke sirf NAMAZ aur ZAKAT ke ilwa Riyasat mujhe kisi baat ke liye fore nahi ker skti, jab tak ke main kisi aur ke rights ki violation na keron. to my dear phir agur koi shurab peeta hai to iss men kisi aur ka kya nuksaan, male aur female apni ,marzi ne najaiz relationship rukhain to iss men kisi aur ka kya nuksaan. to kya Riyasar yeh sab yeh keh ker allow ker de ke hum iss ko nahi rok sktay sirf TALQEEN ker sktay hain ke "logo aisa na kero "

[tashkanov]

Dr. Israr's points are more logical and valid whereas with all due respect Mr. Ghamidi is trying to put a new version of Shariah.

[imransuhail82]

whatever you do behind closed doors privately the state cannot force you. you can be doing hram acts of a personal level in your house and state doesnt know about them then you can continue to do so, but if your haram effects society and others and comes to be known then you are liable to punnishment if so ordered by Allah.

[rehnaydo]

these both persons are Bad Aqeeda, because dr. israr have very bad remarks about Mola-e-Kainat Hazrat Ali Karmullah Wajhul Kareem and Gamdi says Rasool Allah SAWW just teach about the some one relation with Allah and don't need to follow him about Reyasat And other problems of society they have knowledge but have no respect of Holy Prophet SAWW , so plz be care full they are moving innocent people from their faith Allah Save us from these type of Scholars Zakir naik Also respect Yazid Maloon

[sunisastar]

Jamjelly

see God's worship or his deen cannot be followed on your or my Terms.. its to be followed on His Terms

or are you Ahmadi?

[jammjelly]

shamsa0023, we have grown up in the society where, most of the ladies don't wear hijaab. And we had never been affected by 'em. Dr. Israr lives in the city & this Jaahi doesn't know the way of life in villages. There is no such kind of Islam , he is preaching, excists in villages. People living in villages, cannot accept or afford mullas's islam. Women r working side by side with men, in our villages. Only some jaahils from middle class, living in cities support this kind of Mullaee'et.

[shamsa0023]

dr gamidi said that ,,k riasat ous kaam mai sakti kar sakti hai jiss say dosrey motaser houn,,lakin hijab mai babandi nai kar sakti,,toh larki agar hijab nai karti ,,toh ous say b dosrey motaser hotey hain

[loveurcreator]

Jazakallah , Dr.israr talks more with daleel of quran and hadiths and mashallah is very knowledgable and has produced very educated people in his quran academy,one of them is shuja uddin. dr zakir naik choose him for peace tv

[jammjelly]

Israr is one of the best " Jaahileen " of Pakistan. Yeah apni meraaj ko pohnchay huway Jaahil haiN. See how arrogant he is, Elm ka saath " Hilm " ka hona bohat zaruri hay, or is ka fuqdaan hai Israar Sahib maiN. You guys can see how he differ by saying that Ghamid is " Ghalat" whereas, Ghamidi, whenever, try to convey his opinion. He says that " maiN ikhtilaf kernay ki jisarat karooN ga. Ahle-Elm ka yehi tariqa hota hay. Mazay ki baat yeah hay kay, dono Jamat-e-Islami kay " Khaarji " haiN.

[cnnpoll]

nope

[disappear81]

rehman the host shud have manners to let the lady speak.

[loveurcreator]

Jazakallah , Dr.israr talks more with daleel of quran and hadiths and mashallah is very knowledgable and has produced very educated people in his quran academy,one of them is shuja uddin. dr zakir naik choose him for peace tv

[samjhy]

well, If there could be a sord in hands of Dr. Israr... then he would be looking perfect.

[samar85]

Ghamidi sb is quoting Quran for every sentence he makes and Dr is not. I am a neutral Viewer as I do not follow up any of both scholars.

[k1ng0fheart]

No my dear, Ghamidi sahib ki quoting ayats without reference to context. and Dr Islam has deep research and knows the context. so quoting out of context can easily mislead u. As Arun Shoori (Allah ki lanat us per) has made propaganda against Islam by quoting the verses from Surah Tauba that " kill the non believers, where u found them". Mere reading of this verse can easily mislead us that we can kill non believers. because we dont know the context of this verse. It was revealed during WAR

[missfaizamalik]

Very nice debate of Javed Ahmed Ghamidi,

[bilalpisces1989]

im also watching this only for Dr.Israr.... Aur ye jo larki half sleeve mey makeup ker k bithai hai Islamic program mey husn ki numaish k liye... its just disgusting.... Islamic program ko too chor detay ishtihaari log !!

[muneer2908]

Islamic discussion chal raha hai aur mohtarma beparda makeup karke husn ki numaish kar rahi hain ... her very presence in the show is defeating the islamic spirit

[nilo723]

chodh na bhai..we wont be held accountable for their actions..im watching this only for dr.israr..

[muwa7idnafs]

Your right bro

[muqadama]

you are defeating the human spirit........  .... jab islam ki baat aati hai to aurton ko chupa lo or apni conservative thoughts ki numaish kerwa lo bassss!!!!1

[muneer2908]

islam ki hi to baat ho rahi hai yahan ... islam kehta hai ki aurat hijab me rahe aur kisi ghair mehram ke saath bila wajah baat tak naa kare ..aur zarurat me karni bhi pad jaaye to sakht lehze me kare ... her presence in the program defeats the islamic spirit ... by the way, what does human spirit mean to you ... aurton ko nanga karke clubs me nachao ???

[muqadama]

see thats extremism.....ya to sakht parday ki baat kertay ho ya phir nanga kernay ki aray baba moderate behavior bhi to ho sakta hai! apnay damagh ko khula kero human spirit is that we are basically all one species right? apnay mind main aurat aur mard ya phir maumin aur kafir kay dairay bana ker un ko phir saza do? insaniyat ko to mat maro!

islam is about ikhalqiyaat meaning your attitude your behavior with other beings... just reflect on your attitude, you have a guaranteed ticket to heaven.

[muneer2908]

Allah creatd humans n he better knows wat is gud n wat is bad for us. our own wisdom is limitd n has no value in comparisn to Allah's wisdom. he showered his mercy on us by givng us a systm of life calld ISLAM, sent the guidelins in Qur'an and also presentd a role model for us to follow i.e. Mohammad(SAW) .. iqhlaqiyat is important, but there is somethng far more important.

[muneer2908]

Islam means surrendering ur wishes, attitude, judgments of ur wisdom and surrendering everything before Allah(SWT) and giving utmost priority to the orders of Alah(SWT) and the ways of Mohammad(SAW) .. you may call it extremism, but every deviation starts with small things ... if you leave the ways of Islam, you will be ruined ultimately ... just 100 years ago, if a woman in America used to wear clothes showing her knees, she could be jailed but today, she may roam completely nude on roads.

[muneer2908]

Islam can not change for retartded Ghamdi's wisdom ... and I don't know why you have said that Islam me pehle mard aur aurat ko dekho ya kafir ko dekho, phir saza do. Islam me aisa kuch nahi hai .. jo ghalati karega use hi saza di jayegi. Insaniyat ko kaun maar raha hai aur kaise maar raha hai, ye saari duniya jaanti hai. Secularism, Democracy, Independence of Speech ke suhwane naare lagane waale insaniyat ke dushman hi maar rahe hain.