I WAS THERE!!! I will be never forget this evening. Bonynge was the Conductor, at a curtain call gruberova and curtsied before Dame Joan Sutherland!, which attended the performance
I WAS THERE!!! I will be never forget this evening. Bonynge was the Conductor, at a curtain call gruberova gone to a Loge and curtsied before Dame Joan Sutherland!
@zitto60 vero...qui è favolosa!!!!!Peròòòòòòòòòò..
le regine...quelle vere dovrebbero anche ABDICARE....è da qualche anno(vedi Beatrice Semiramide Norma Lucrezia)in cui è l'ombra di questa performance.Soprattutto i sovracuti che qui lodi tanto ora sono note fisse e dure
Isomma da regina si sta riducendo ad ancella :-( ......speriamo si fermi per tempo... Comunque qui è da 10 e lode!
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Non bastano acuti e agilità per cantare questo ruolo. I sospiri, i gemiti e gi effettacci-parlato da teatro verista della Gruberova sono insopportabili e non mascherano certo l'assenza di note gravi. Ma come si fa a cantre così? L'unica cosa bella di questo spettacolo è la direzione di Bonynge. In sala c'era la grande Joan, che ha avuto l'intelligenza di non cantare il Devereux.
Non l'avrebbe certo debuttato a quasi 70 anni non avendolo mai cantato a parte una volta un'aria in concerto che tu come me avrai certo visto. Sterili critiche le tue. Avrebbero senso se si paragonassero due cantanti entrambi in carriera. Poi ce ne fossero tante come la Gruberova, con tutto il rispetto di quel mostro sacro che è la Sutherland unitamente alla superba Gencer.
@TheMenelik60 La Gencer in Roberto Devereux ha fatto pietà. Non ha dimostrato nessuna superbia. Esiste una registrazione, peraltro orribile. A lei però il merito di aver riscoperto questa meravigliosa opera
Her best performance ever, not only the singing but her acting is incredible. And people, do not forget, this is a LIVE performance. How many recordings or opera movies have reached such a quality with the possibility of re-recording, cuts and etiding? This is one of the most complete and balanced opera theatre ever, which should be mentioned and celebrated as often as famous 1957 Callas`s Anna Bolena at La Scala. We are so happy having this recorded!!!!!
Does anyone out there know why Joan Sutherland never sang this role? She joked in an interview, when asked, that "I don't look a thing like Bette Davis." ??????
I've been looking for years for a full quote from Sutherland that's rumored to exist: apparently, she's supposed to have reflected that there was something vaguely "grotesque " to this role (her own word). Is that true? If so, was that a reference to the extreme up/down vocal somersaults, or to something else? Whichever, could someone please point me to the exact quote and name its original source? Many thanks.
I know that the quote: "I don't look a thing like Bette Davis" was in an old Opera News article. I doubt it was a reference to the somersaults, becasue there are more of them in Anna Bolena than in Devereaux......
While I once agreed, closer study now suggests that, though Bolena's role is longer than Elisabetta's, E.'s music has a slightly greater percentage of up/down writing. B.'s most vertiginous writing is in the last scenes of Acts I/II. Not to say the Act II trio with Percy/King is a walk in the park, nor is the Seymour duet, or B.'s first scena. But E. already reaches a feverish level halfway through her first scene and stays there with the possible exception of "Vivi, ingrato". Less coasting.
I swear some of you people must be absolutely ignorant to what this ARTIST is all about. The voice is not a conventional one... it aint all pretty. But listen to the attention to the style, the colors, and THE DELIVERY OF THE TEXT! I take her any day to some of these so called belcantist today. And she is still singing to sold out theatres and no because of a pretty face and a good PR machine.
I totally agree with you. Some people post comments possibly without ever having sung... it's so easy to pass judgement trying to show off a "knowledge" that only masks a very narrow-minded attitude and a need to impress. In my very modest opinion she's so much into character, and Elizabeth at this stage in her life IS old!
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this one of the roles where the total absence of a lower register in Edita's voice is very obvious and disappointing. Bel canto needs full line from bottom to top...un- or - fortunately
e a proposito... nonostante la sua voce "thin" (che definirei piuttosto come semplicemente alta) ce la fa benissimo a coprire entrambi coro e orchestra alla fine :)
Per fortuna che il direttore non richiede altre sonorità all'orchestra....è pur sempre Donizzetti! non trovi? la voce, anche se "thin" deve trovare una sonorità che le permetta di esprimersi senza forzature cosicchè ne risulti esaltata in naturalezza. ciaoooo. G
whatever some may say, gruberova still remains one of the best singers opera has ever seen... what if she's so controversed, who cares? the meaning of art is to be beautiful and to transmit a certain message. i reckon edita manages wonderfully to do both.
Have you ever seen the great performance in Munich??
It's the best the opera world had seen ever! The wonderful Gruberova becomes better and better each evening. She is incredible in acting and breathable in singing.
She always says that she loves that role - you can see it and you can hear it each evening.
Yes, it was conducted by Bonynge. An unforgettable performance. Dame Joan Sutherland was in the audience, and at the end of the performance Gruberova made a bow to La Stupenda
But I see from your favourites that you are a great fan of Gruberova, like all 'fans' you have difficulty in accepting any criticism of your adored diva.... ok, but unreserved adoration does not make good Donizetti or deeper understanding of music, it only makes for useless arguments like the Callas widows at la scala
yeah I am a great fan of hers:) that's what I told, her feeling is similar to mine (in music, of course):)) and as you're saying, if she sing donizetti in a bad way, how come critics haven't mentioned this "problem" yet? it;s interesting, how people have differents ways of understanding music:) that's interesting.. by the way I was not upset. and I don't want to quarrel with you:)
"can you tell me, what's valid in music?:)) it has no bareers, let her sing it as she likes to."
Don't get upset if I feel the need to point out the obvious. From my understanding of Donizetti this interpretation way off the mark, out of style. More suited to Lulu or Wozzeck.
Sorry, musical interpretation is not a matter of anything goes, there are aesthetical boundries that vary from age to age, that is why you cannot sing Monteverdi the same way you sing Puccini, Handel or Wagner. There are also matters of vocal colour, weight, extention and size. That is why Bartoli cannot sing Brunhilde, Would you like to hear Gruberova sing Turandot?
of course man I know that, I am a musician, you don't have to tell me this stuff. what I am telling you is that she didn't cross the boundaries, at least it is acceptable for me and if I sang this song, I'd sing it almost like her. her musical feeling very similar to mine.
"Schmack" what's that? sprechgesang is used in music of the twntieth century not in Donizetti, it's not even aesthetically valid in Verdi or Puccini. She should look after the vocal line, which is too low for her, and try to sing more in tune at least, though the voice is simply too thin. Instead she tries to make up for her lack of voice by doing a crazy interpretation that is totally out of style
have u heard her live? or are you judging only from this performance?:)) can you tell me, what's valid in music?:)) it has no bareers, let her sing it as she likes to. I love the way she does it.
Just a bit better than the dreadful Vienna performance. She lacks the lower register for the part and hasn't enough vocal body to support Donizetti's wide-ranging vocal contours. Her idea of interpretation comes close to sprechgesang in places, and she sacrifices the line to pseudo expressionist whining that has nothing to do with Donizetti. She pulls back the conductor so much that all musical sense is lost and reduces the whole thing to a parody.
She is georgeous ! Uncomparable long career and still in top form! That´s a technique ! And whole performance is the best what opera can offer. Vienna stupid modern aproach kills opera for future. This is why people consider opera the most complex dramatic theatre.
Has been this performance recorded completely? And is available somewhere? Please, if only would! High-light of nowadays opera production.
This was from a complete video recording. Done for the archives of the Barcelona Opera. I recieved it from a friend. I would check premiereopera or house of opera.
A million times better sung than her other video of the same scene. Better staging. Better acting. Not as overall satisfying as the production Sills sang in, but still excellent.
Could this very well be the pinnacle of her career and possibly one of the 10 best live performances in recorded history? I BELIEVE IT IS !!!!
noeldunsky 2 months ago
I WAS THERE!!! I will be never forget this evening. Bonynge was the Conductor, at a curtain call gruberova and curtsied before Dame Joan Sutherland!, which attended the performance
It was a moving tribute and the house broke down
OLIVCHEN77 1 year ago
I WAS THERE!!! I will be never forget this evening. Bonynge was the Conductor, at a curtain call gruberova gone to a Loge and curtsied before Dame Joan Sutherland!
It was a moving tribute and the house broke down
OLIVCHEN77 1 year ago
Una meraviglia assoluta!!! Il RE finale é di forza e squillo insuperabile, certamente dagli anni migliori della divina Edita -- REGINA PER SEMPRE!!!
zitto60 2 years ago 4
@zitto60 vero...qui è favolosa!!!!!Peròòòòòòòòòò..
le regine...quelle vere dovrebbero anche ABDICARE....è da qualche anno(vedi Beatrice Semiramide Norma Lucrezia)in cui è l'ombra di questa performance.Soprattutto i sovracuti che qui lodi tanto ora sono note fisse e dure
Isomma da regina si sta riducendo ad ancella :-( ......speriamo si fermi per tempo... Comunque qui è da 10 e lode!
AAGMR 2 years ago
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zitto60 2 years ago
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Non bastano acuti e agilità per cantare questo ruolo. I sospiri, i gemiti e gi effettacci-parlato da teatro verista della Gruberova sono insopportabili e non mascherano certo l'assenza di note gravi. Ma come si fa a cantre così? L'unica cosa bella di questo spettacolo è la direzione di Bonynge. In sala c'era la grande Joan, che ha avuto l'intelligenza di non cantare il Devereux.
leprincebeaumont 2 years ago
Non l'avrebbe certo debuttato a quasi 70 anni non avendolo mai cantato a parte una volta un'aria in concerto che tu come me avrai certo visto. Sterili critiche le tue. Avrebbero senso se si paragonassero due cantanti entrambi in carriera. Poi ce ne fossero tante come la Gruberova, con tutto il rispetto di quel mostro sacro che è la Sutherland unitamente alla superba Gencer.
TheMenelik60 2 years ago
@TheMenelik60 La Gencer in Roberto Devereux ha fatto pietà. Non ha dimostrato nessuna superbia. Esiste una registrazione, peraltro orribile. A lei però il merito di aver riscoperto questa meravigliosa opera
DiegoMartinazzoli 1 year ago
@leprincebeaumont Ma guarda che qui è eccellente. Nessuno ha cantato come lei!!
DiegoMartinazzoli 1 year ago
@leprincebeaumont Dì piuttosto chi l'ha cantata meglio!! Chi??
DiegoMartinazzoli 1 year ago
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No dico ma l'URLO finale lo sentite anche voi vero? Un cantante dovrebbe sapere quando ritirarsi...
ferrykalos 3 years ago
ferrykalos, sei sordo. oltre che un pirla...
askar78 3 years ago
Her best performance ever, not only the singing but her acting is incredible. And people, do not forget, this is a LIVE performance. How many recordings or opera movies have reached such a quality with the possibility of re-recording, cuts and etiding? This is one of the most complete and balanced opera theatre ever, which should be mentioned and celebrated as often as famous 1957 Callas`s Anna Bolena at La Scala. We are so happy having this recorded!!!!!
jirizika1962 3 years ago 11
jirziku mas pravdu;)
operaeater 3 years ago
Unless you have met Donizetti, or heard any premiere of his work while he was alive, nobody can tell anybody what "proper" Donizetti singing is.
All we hear is an approximation of what each singer's idea of Donizetti singing is.
tenore23 4 years ago 6
Does anyone out there know why Joan Sutherland never sang this role? She joked in an interview, when asked, that "I don't look a thing like Bette Davis." ??????
riccardo699 3 years ago
I've been looking for years for a full quote from Sutherland that's rumored to exist: apparently, she's supposed to have reflected that there was something vaguely "grotesque " to this role (her own word). Is that true? If so, was that a reference to the extreme up/down vocal somersaults, or to something else? Whichever, could someone please point me to the exact quote and name its original source? Many thanks.
grig035 3 years ago
I know that the quote: "I don't look a thing like Bette Davis" was in an old Opera News article. I doubt it was a reference to the somersaults, becasue there are more of them in Anna Bolena than in Devereaux......
riccardo699 3 years ago
While I once agreed, closer study now suggests that, though Bolena's role is longer than Elisabetta's, E.'s music has a slightly greater percentage of up/down writing. B.'s most vertiginous writing is in the last scenes of Acts I/II. Not to say the Act II trio with Percy/King is a walk in the park, nor is the Seymour duet, or B.'s first scena. But E. already reaches a feverish level halfway through her first scene and stays there with the possible exception of "Vivi, ingrato". Less coasting.
grig035 3 years ago
I swear some of you people must be absolutely ignorant to what this ARTIST is all about. The voice is not a conventional one... it aint all pretty. But listen to the attention to the style, the colors, and THE DELIVERY OF THE TEXT! I take her any day to some of these so called belcantist today. And she is still singing to sold out theatres and no because of a pretty face and a good PR machine.
opera10er 4 years ago 13
@opera10er
I totally agree with you. Some people post comments possibly without ever having sung... it's so easy to pass judgement trying to show off a "knowledge" that only masks a very narrow-minded attitude and a need to impress. In my very modest opinion she's so much into character, and Elizabeth at this stage in her life IS old!
Flaviat57 1 year ago
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this one of the roles where the total absence of a lower register in Edita's voice is very obvious and disappointing. Bel canto needs full line from bottom to top...un- or - fortunately
Lohengrin 4 years ago
the older she is the better she sings this role.. if she has a good day.
midlochblidloch 4 years ago
e a proposito... nonostante la sua voce "thin" (che definirei piuttosto come semplicemente alta) ce la fa benissimo a coprire entrambi coro e orchestra alla fine :)
bogdankos 4 years ago
Per fortuna che il direttore non richiede altre sonorità all'orchestra....è pur sempre Donizzetti! non trovi? la voce, anche se "thin" deve trovare una sonorità che le permetta di esprimersi senza forzature cosicchè ne risulti esaltata in naturalezza. ciaoooo. G
iubanne 3 years ago
whatever some may say, gruberova still remains one of the best singers opera has ever seen... what if she's so controversed, who cares? the meaning of art is to be beautiful and to transmit a certain message. i reckon edita manages wonderfully to do both.
bogdankos 4 years ago
Have you ever seen the great performance in Munich??
It's the best the opera world had seen ever! The wonderful Gruberova becomes better and better each evening. She is incredible in acting and breathable in singing.
She always says that she loves that role - you can see it and you can hear it each evening.
Unbelievable that this woman is nearly 61!
23121946 4 years ago
btw this performance was conducted by joan sutherland's husband. richard bonynge.
blidloch 4 years ago
Yes, it was conducted by Bonynge. An unforgettable performance. Dame Joan Sutherland was in the audience, and at the end of the performance Gruberova made a bow to La Stupenda
Alidoro 4 years ago
But I see from your favourites that you are a great fan of Gruberova, like all 'fans' you have difficulty in accepting any criticism of your adored diva.... ok, but unreserved adoration does not make good Donizetti or deeper understanding of music, it only makes for useless arguments like the Callas widows at la scala
CzarDodon 4 years ago
yeah I am a great fan of hers:) that's what I told, her feeling is similar to mine (in music, of course):)) and as you're saying, if she sing donizetti in a bad way, how come critics haven't mentioned this "problem" yet? it;s interesting, how people have differents ways of understanding music:) that's interesting.. by the way I was not upset. and I don't want to quarrel with you:)
blidloch 4 years ago
sorry, I don't think my arguments are useless. I think yours are.
blidloch 4 years ago
These are your words:
"can you tell me, what's valid in music?:)) it has no bareers, let her sing it as she likes to."
Don't get upset if I feel the need to point out the obvious. From my understanding of Donizetti this interpretation way off the mark, out of style. More suited to Lulu or Wozzeck.
CzarDodon 4 years ago
Sorry, musical interpretation is not a matter of anything goes, there are aesthetical boundries that vary from age to age, that is why you cannot sing Monteverdi the same way you sing Puccini, Handel or Wagner. There are also matters of vocal colour, weight, extention and size. That is why Bartoli cannot sing Brunhilde, Would you like to hear Gruberova sing Turandot?
CzarDodon 4 years ago
of course man I know that, I am a musician, you don't have to tell me this stuff. what I am telling you is that she didn't cross the boundaries, at least it is acceptable for me and if I sang this song, I'd sing it almost like her. her musical feeling very similar to mine.
blidloch 4 years ago
"Schmack" what's that? sprechgesang is used in music of the twntieth century not in Donizetti, it's not even aesthetically valid in Verdi or Puccini. She should look after the vocal line, which is too low for her, and try to sing more in tune at least, though the voice is simply too thin. Instead she tries to make up for her lack of voice by doing a crazy interpretation that is totally out of style
CzarDodon 4 years ago
have u heard her live? or are you judging only from this performance?:)) can you tell me, what's valid in music?:)) it has no bareers, let her sing it as she likes to. I love the way she does it.
blidloch 4 years ago
Just a bit better than the dreadful Vienna performance. She lacks the lower register for the part and hasn't enough vocal body to support Donizetti's wide-ranging vocal contours. Her idea of interpretation comes close to sprechgesang in places, and she sacrifices the line to pseudo expressionist whining that has nothing to do with Donizetti. She pulls back the conductor so much that all musical sense is lost and reduces the whole thing to a parody.
CzarDodon 4 years ago
how do u know it has nothing to do with donizetti. I love her expressive "spechgesang" as you said, it gives the performace "schmack"..
blidloch 4 years ago
that's why bonygne worked wuth her, because she's horrible and cannot sing donizetti. just shut up please. you are a parody.
midlochblidloch 4 years ago 4
She is georgeous ! Uncomparable long career and still in top form! That´s a technique ! And whole performance is the best what opera can offer. Vienna stupid modern aproach kills opera for future. This is why people consider opera the most complex dramatic theatre.
Has been this performance recorded completely? And is available somewhere? Please, if only would! High-light of nowadays opera production.
jirizika1962 4 years ago 5
This was from a complete video recording. Done for the archives of the Barcelona Opera. I recieved it from a friend. I would check premiereopera or house of opera.
coloraturafan 4 years ago
She is great, beautifull interpertation, amasing high D at the end.
Bravo Madame
operajk 4 years ago
....the best!!!
silsio 4 years ago
NON SI AFFRONTA.....UN AFIBNALE DA CAPOGIRO...sovrumana
lyside1 4 years ago
A million times better sung than her other video of the same scene. Better staging. Better acting. Not as overall satisfying as the production Sills sang in, but still excellent.
BDSCalgary 4 years ago
I agree with you, she is amazing. Also such a wonderfully orchestrated opera.
habaabchi74 4 years ago
Ms. Grubi is always excellent!!!
borias12 4 years ago