60i vs 24p

[charvelgtrs]

Too bad the video is playing at 30 fps. 

[theedman2222]

Scott LOL I just didn't notice much of a difference. I have a DVX100a, and I have it to experiment with 24p. ...Don't know. :-)  How do shutter speed and iris affect 24p, really? Looks like it's "cleaner" to shoot in "normal"

[ghettokilluh]

@whitebeltacademy oh, so if you have a 240p video it can still look 60i? Crazy shit bro

[InsanuVita]

@ghettokilluh dude 240p is a resolution...it could be a framerate...a very high one, but usually when you refer to 240p, it is a resolution like 720p and 1080p. 24p means that every second 24 "progressive" pictures/frames are being shown rapidly creating the sense of motion...which is fast. 60i means that 60 "interlaced" pictures/frames are being shown rapidly...which is faster but there is the i and p debate...I am a filmmaker so I prefer progressive. It seems smoother to me

[ghettokilluh]

Thats sick its obviously noticable if you cant see it get off your 240p box

[WhiteBeltAcademy]

@ghettokilluh 240p is resolution, and has nothing to do with framerate. 

[drbaltazar]

that is why it makes me laugh when i see people going to huge lenght to get optimal setting etc then they wait forever to get their thing uploaded to vimeo or youtube because it has to be converted to 24p by google.moral:just stay in 24p all the time no more issue and you get better live stream performance.hahahaha good try tho midtown!

[drbaltazar]

are you serious? dude?everything gets converted to 24p on youtube and vimeo?so all you showed us was in 24p lol

[TheMichael408]

@drbaltazar I thought youtube was 30p?

[InsertNight]

@drbaltazar youtube is 29,97p

[x0scimy0x]

Uh..yeah..didn't see any difference besides color.

[useazebra]

Thanks! Great demo, and exactly what I needed.

[Ricciest]

i didn't notice nothing

[inhiswords]

How does he know my name is daneil.....

[3DFULLHD]

i prefer 24fps progressive than 60 interlaced technology from 1936 ! NEXT Avatar 2 & 3 will be shoot in 3D 60 fps Progressive Scan !

[EvilAdam]

This guy whacks off.



[mahadragon]

If you're going to wax on with your left hand in 60i could you wax on in 24p with your left hand as well? Why did you change hands? You should learn how to better do direct comparisons.

[jpaulkerr]

many thanks very useful (and whatever the techy facts are I can see the difference)

[madofmygoddess]

this is why I laugh when some persons say ''lololol You can't see over 25 images per second'' or stuff like that.. the ting is we don't realy know how much images we can see + the real difference is in the codec/Gpu etc.

[PiexlHD]

60i = 120p

[ewupawly]

@PiexlHD uhh no

[PiexlHD]

@ewupawly uhh yes check your facts :D

[ewupawly]

@PiexlHD interlacing is splitting the frame into 2 fields. 60i is 30 progressive frames . lol i wish it was 120p that would make for awesome footage

[canerpense]

It is limited to 30p

[TheOtherMic]

Awesome.

[a7mad9999999]

60i and stfu

[dexterdigital]

Nice! Great job.

[TheViciousViper]

lol Youtube limits videos to 30fps so we are not seeing how it actually looks.

[LewiNkz]

scott = O.O... Us = o.o

[Polskaboy28]

watch closely as i wack off in 60i

[jjovereats]

Yo: I work with 25i when ever I deinterlace video. Using Yadif, to 25p.

[mikenordo]

I just watched Scot waxing off.

[DiamanteKlopman]

Although Youtube doesn't seem to support interlacing this was very helpfull. Thanks for the tip.

[jjovereats]

Hard news = 60p. Deinterlace 50i to 25p with motion blur for best results.

[LessMarzan]

THANKYOU



[golfr7k1]

omg did waxs dieds?

[humbert0acevedo]

LOL, wacks off.

[supraelita]

misleading

[DJK83]

Also, this video seems to incorrectly associate interlaced and progressive scan with the motion rendering of the framerates they're typically used with. In other words, it's the frame rate, and ONLY the frame rate, that dictates how smooth or jittery motion appears. The motion rendering of 24p has NOTHING to do with progressive scan, contrary to what is said in the video. 60p is just as smooth as 60i.

[andyandyyipyip]

awesome :D

[unrulylily]

Great post. Cheers.

[Alxe73191]

what about 60p? 

[VPWedding]

@Alxe73191 No. 60i is sometimes CALLED 30 frames per second, but IMHO this is bad terminology. A single NTSC "Frame" can consist of two unrelated images that are presented to the viewer 1/60th of a second apart. Every video field is really a frame with lines missing. You could count from 1 to 60 on an NTSC screen in one second with each number alone on screen at any given moment. You could NOT do this on YouTube, every other number would be skipped in the conversion to 30p.

[EDrav3n]

60i is essentially 30 frames per second no? so it shouldn't be a problem uploading in youtube

[giteubao]

Good work man

[Versvsdc]

You are the man.. In a very few words you have explained this topic in the smartest way.

[TonyUK123]

Well explained - good work

[studentofkobe]

the best video ever on youtube to explain the difference! really thanks alot ;)

[an3m6x]

60i tends to make movement unnatural to look at because its too fluid. 24p is a better film look and seems more natural mainly because the human eye doesn't pick up motion as quick. If you move you hand in front of your face back and forth it becomes blurry. 24p looks more natural too us and I'm sure 60 may look more natural to more predatory animals, such as a hawk.

[DJK83]

@an3m6x Actually, it's quite the opposite; the human eye can detect upwards of 200 fps. It's 24 fps that looks unnatural, but it results in a cinematic feel, in part because it creates a sort of disconnect from reality that 60 fps can't, but also because that's simply what's been accepted as the look of motion on film.

Furthermore, the idea that 24p has more "blurring" isn't really correct (except at 1/24 shutter speed). It's actually the strobing/judder that defines the look of 24fps motion.

[CelebrityGrill]

Very helpful. Thanks. I'm upgrading my video quality & this helped bigtime.

[rikmills]

Did he say "whacks off"?? How rude!!! :o)

[portreti]

Youtube pannings at 30p shows dropped frames. 24p is right choice with correct pulldown.

[killakori]

"Watch as I wax-off in 60i."

[Bulldog22031]

Even if I cannot really see too much on youtube, the explanation was exactly what I was looking for, and I could visualize it on my own. Thanks!

[xBelieve1]

this guy reminds me of dwight schrute seriously.

[XJNHMVz]

well 60i is of course better but its rather good to shoot in 60i, or 30p bbecause then you can render to 24p if u want, 24p is used to rather slow down the action to a more dramatic scene

[Frankydoesitalso]

Mr. Miyagi would greatly approve of this wax on and wax off technique

[iseecheese]

native or not native 24p u should write that as a anotation on the video?

[jessemillerman]

this video was originally presented at a seminar in person on a large projector screen at 60i (with 3-2-2-3 pulldown for the "24p" parts comin off a panasonic DVX100).

so, it was way more impactful than youtube's compression allows. so many people asked us to post the footage that we had to host it here.

[Phabulouso]

You gonna blink? Haha.

Helpful video. Thanks.

[globalphoto]

awesome vid. .some people dont see it. .i knew the concept but wasnt able to see it perfectly until now. .awesome vid . the split screen is genius. . bravo

[sjpc33]

So why is 24p supposed to look better when it is more jittery? I don't get it!

[beejor]

High framerate footage often looks too "real" and cheap like you're watching actors on a set rehearsing. Watch a DVD then watch its behind the scenes footage and you can tell the difference. 24p has a distinct feel, with jitter and motion blur you can't get with higher framerates. A new 48p standard is being developed but many people still prefer the classic film look.

[adriebm]

@sjpc33 me too

i can't believed i bought a wrong camcorder HDC-HS300 60i pretty damm good.

60i means more movie in less space due interlacing, also motion is smooth (it looks to me)

So why should i use 24p?

to a home video 60i is perfect to me.

[sparrow2a]

i have the same question really

[HuangxTofa]

Whether the differences show up as well through youtube, what the guy's saying is still true. Great vid.

[gamber22]

I can see a little difference

[jehhk]

I hope you shot that 24p clip on a true 24p camera instead of converting it in post.

[pinkfloydeffect]

Does the 24P really have worse color? Sure looks it

[777agic]

watch as i wax off in 60i hahahahahahahahah

[nateaus]

exactly what i was looking for.. thanks..

lol @ daniel son..

[VPWedding]

Sorry, but YouTube can't reproduce 60i. Anything you upload turns to at most 30p. So your "Hard news" look doesn't look much like it is supposed to.

[AiDz0r]

@VPWedding ahaha true, fail him!

[supraelita]

@VPWedding yeah, also, 24p converted to 30p(or 29.97) has repeated frames, so it is not showing the benefits of 24p, also, most computer monitor can only refresh at50,60,75,that repeating the frames by the GPU,in computer,you can hardly get "TRUE 24p" with the interval of 1/24sec.

[supraelita]

@VPWedding Second, 24p, each frame should be shown at 1/48 second or less with black frame between them, like sony's tv does, it is to reduce the temporal blur pruduce by your brain.(yes, your brain will somewhat blend things seen by your eyes that changed instantly after another.

[supraelita]

@VPWedding Lastly,(this is read from somewhere on the internet, i am not sure) watching 24p should be in a dark place and lower contrast. Darker environment and lower contrast will make your eyes refresh somewhat slower because of lower spacial frequency change

[supraelita]

Stable is dued to high shutter speed, not frame rate, you can use 1/4000 sec in 24p

also not affected by interlaced scan, actually, interlaced scan reduced vertical resolution, such that, vertical movement will be smoother compared to 60p at the same resolution(like 1080i29.97(59.94i) compared with 1080p59.94(59.94p)

[ewupawly]

@VPWedding lo

[Pwells1]

@VPWedding You're dumb. Youtube runs at 60i, and it converts 24p to 60i via 3:2 pulldown.

[ProfSai]

@Pwells1 Go away troll.

[VPWedding]

@Pwells1 Go away troll.

[weward]

super nice!

[ThePoster100]

Great..! really funny.. and profy.. 5*s

[AlanChunkyMunky]

among the most helpful vids ive seen. thanks guys! funny too haha

[jooleyen]

Thanks this really helped me a bunch to see the difference.

[stussy2k]

lol - very illustrative and great humor :)

[alphawolf619]

Very nice. Thanks for the video.

[viktorab]

Thanks, helped me alot :)

[au1947]

excellent

[LGTrooper44]

Good Video, I Needed That Side by Side!!!

[AnDyXiTo]

Muy Buenom, gracias.