For those who you who take the blue pill by the hand full you need to go to Amazon and order Dr. Judy Wood's book, _Where Did the Towers Go?_. You will never be the same - you will either be prepared to support a revolution or leave the U.S. for good.
WTC 7 fell silently leaving zero in the way of a seismic register (P and S waves). Listen to a real controlled demolition: "Seattle Kingdome Implosion." It is important to note that throughout the WTC complex there was no det cord found, shock tubes, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges and other things which are ALWAYS present after a controlled demolition.
I know truthers have been having a hard time getting decent turn-outs at their rag-tag little rallies, so I have a suggestion for them. At their next rally, they should dress up like clowns, with clown suits, big floppy shoes, and little round red clown noses. This would be good for truthers because first of all, people would pay more attention to them, and second, their costumes would accurately reflect the comical stupidity of their paranoid, cultish beliefs. It's a win-win solution!
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The only continuous TWO HOUR VIDEO of the 9/11 wtc attacks that is known to exist. 130 minute WTC ATTACK VIDEO: 'Tuesday Morning in September'. It is something from that day you have NOT seen. You may have seen other posts about it on Youtube. It is not like so much other crap that has been put out since 9/11; it is not a propaganda, and or opinion piece. It has no fair comparison. It is 9/11 like you have never seen. You can preview the whole 130 chronicle. There is an upload on my channel
Only a massive explosion could eject a 30 ton steel beam 420 feet horizontaly from WTC-2 into a bank building nearly 2 blocks away. These boards are filled with paid counter intell employees posting pure government propaganda. They are under contract to post hundreds of times per day. CIA admitted they have Ph.d level professors embedded into universities to promote government lies. 9-11 and JFK are two of the more prominent.
@johnh173 - When scientists examined the nano thermite found in the dust, they discovered it was a super hi tech front line type of explosive - incendiary.
This points to only two possible players. Mossad or US government. I suspect the Nano Thermite is the smoking gun. A real investigation has been blocked at all levels.
I suspect people are being threatened if they proceed to investigate this false flag.
I am a chemist by profession, but I have also taken many physics courses in my time. The nature of those 3 towers falling at free fall speed proves they were blown up. If they had collapsed via a pancake mechanism, the time to fall would have been 45 seconds, they fell in under 11 seconds. 47 core columns made those towers very solid. Bush prevented an investigation, so therefore the counter intell posters are having a field day. Such people dishonor the dead. God is not mocked.
The Pentagon was hit at the point farthest from the military leadership (NMCC etc),in a section mostly empty (5 of 6 normally there weren't),in the only section with full fire sprinkler coverage and the only one with walls reinforced with steel & kevlar designed to resist bomb blasts & contain debris.It was struck perfectly to contain wreckage within the building & minimize penetration.Is this all coincidence?911 doubled defense spending & allowed us to invade the Middle East.911=inside job.
The minions of A&E. No university, research centers, technical journals, scientists, associations of engineers, pilots, architects, firefighters and medical believe the lies and the demolition of the A&E. The same in Asia, Oceania, Canada, Europe and South America. The list below is today. I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet. There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0,0001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E. Without the
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Idiot isn’t studied to be an engineer. I’m engineer. Now you will see the list of Europe attests that the false science of A&E and its dirty conspiracy like you.
@aczjbr If you are an engineer and you think those buildings just happen to fall into their own footprint, then you are a poor engineer. I feel concern for your clients. Don’t try to put words into my mouth as all you idiots try to do. I know nothing about any conspiracy, I do know a great deal about structure.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Wait and see you and all the A&E are a minority in the world and the USA.They´re 3.5 million engineers against those in its A&E? Their false rejects science and on 5 continents. I'm at work and night complete the list of Europe. Pass to Canada, Asia, Oceania and South America. Wait!
@markh1011 Now you’re just splitting a hair which is the first sign of weakness in a debate. Were there 47 stories of building stretched out a quarter mile down the road? They did not fall over. Other than some residual debris they fell into their own footprint. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe but you will never be truly free until you have the capacity to believe the truth.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Now you’re just splitting a hair" - Your statement is incorrect. It deceptively used by many conspiracy theorists to try and make collapses sound more like controlled demolitions. They did not fall into their footprint. Don't state otherwise.
" They did not fall over"
- No they collapsed.
"but you will never be truly free until you have the capacity to believe the truth"
@markh1011 So they rapidly clasped onto their own footprint. Doesn’t matter to me how it is worded. I guess believing that you are free is the next best thing. Kind of like the sheep they graze in open pasture.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So they rapidly clasped onto their own footprint" - They didn't collapse into their own footprint. "I guess believing that you are free " - Ah but you *know* better.
"Kind of like the sheep" - That's a new one. Never been called that by a conspiracy theorist before. You forgot to tell me to "wake up".
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Looks like you aren't aware that most of your truther chums acknowledge that WTC 1 & 2 didn't fall in their footprints. In fact, they claim that the ejection of steel far OUTSIDE the footprints indicates CD. So you're kind of on your own in claiming they essentially fell in their footprints.
@bagintree You are correct about one thing. I am on my own in regards to determining the facts. You on the other hand are just one of the sheep that believe what you are told. Still your case is so weak you continue to split hairs. Yes some debris were projected from the building but rather than asking why, you use this information in the most ridicules attempt to suggest that they did not fall onto their footprints.
@bagintree When a building collapses it is directed by the resistance of the supporting structure which will cause it to move in the direction of least resistance. None if this physical action will create projectiles. Characteristically the point of least resistance is outside of the structure. That is why when a building collapses, it for the most part falls over. Watch the videos, you see then falling straight down onto their own footprints.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "That is why when a building collapses, it for the most part falls over" - Where is the force going to come from the make 20 floors of the WTC move to the left? Wind?
20 floors smash down on one weakened floor... it cannot stop them or move them... the structural strength for that floor is smashed and 21 floors fall onto the next... then 22 onto the next.. and it continues.
@markh1011 So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? That is the problem with basing your debate on lies you have heard. When you put everything you say in one column, it just doesn’t add up. Sure maybe the first dozen floors may not have stopped it. But 100+ give me a break. It takes very little influence to redirect an object that is in free fall. I am not talking about the free fall speed so don’t start ringing that bell just yet.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Sure maybe the first dozen floors may not have stopped it."
- Yes but then you have over 30 floors of the WTC smashing down on the floors below with momentum. With every second the amount of falling debris increases and the velocity increases... The structure will not stop that.
@markh1011 Are the floors falling? Yes. Are there any cabled connected to them to control the speed of the fall, No. This is a description of an object in free fall. If you cannot even grasp this elementary fact. You certainly cannot grasp anything beyond it. It would be a waste of my time to explain it to someone that lacks the capacity to understand. I do not intend to be vague, just brief as the space to rely is limited.
"Are there any cabled connected to them to control the speed of the fall, No" - wtf?
"This is a description of an object in free fall." wtf?
"If you cannot even grasp this elementary fact." - You don't know what free fall is do you?
"It would be a waste of my time to explain it" -You can't explain something you don't understand. You made an arse of yourself and are now backing away.
@markh1011 You have made up your mind to believe the lies. All I can say about that is good for you. When I say the “Official” story does not add up. I am talking about the entire story, not just the little bits and pieces debated here. Your mind is closed and thus you lack the ability to learn. I feel bad for your family having you as their protector put them in great peril.
- You lost an argument so my mind is closed. Got it. You've had a go. Didn't do so good. Run along.
"I feel bad for your family having you as their protector put them in great peril" - We're fine I'm actually a secret government agent myself. I get paid to do this... oh and I help recover crashed alien craft as well.
@markh1011 Example: the moon is pretty massive, yes. It stays in orbit around the earth due to gravity. The force of gravity is reduced but the inverse square law relative to distance from the source. The moon is quite a distance away, meaning the gravitational force from the earth would be a number too small for you to comprehend. Now if the moon was sitting on the face of mars and mars was as close as the moon is now the earth would have no affect on it.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Now if the moon was sitting on the face of mars and mars was as close as the moon is now the earth would have no affect on it. "
- Are you kidding? I'm going to assume that was attempted humor. You cannot possibly think that description of the moon has some relevance to something you have said here.
@markh1011 Well I do have to give you some props, you are getting better at debating. If you want to debate the entire “Official” story. There are plenty of things that don’t add up.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Well I do have to give you some props, you are getting better at debating." - You are not. Appalling attempt to use the moon as an analogy... repeated condescension and rudeness, vague references .... You should not be lecturing people about debating. "If you want to debate the entire “Official” story. " - Sure go ahead.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "falling straight down onto their own footprints."- They did not fall into their footprints. You can say it over and over but that doesn't make it fact.
@bagintree If you are going to debate me, read a book on debating, your rebuttals are senseless. By the way, the truthers as not my “chums”. I wish most of the would just shut up. They do more harm than good. A lot of what they present makes the lies of the “Official story” more appalling. Especially to people like you that lack the experience or capacity to think for themselves.
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Heavy steel debris hit the building, which caused fires. The fires were spread across all 47 floors, according to some firefighters. They pulled out because they were fearing the building to collapse. The building collapsed because it was hit in a critical area and it was much heavier and less strongly designed, unlike the other small wtc buildings. The collapse lasted 17 seconds if you count the total internal collapse shortly before the outer wall collapse. What's so hard?
@MazJax It's scientifically proven that heat from fire isn't hot enough to actually melt the steel girders that hold up the skyscrapers of the modern age. It would take as much heat as TWO jet engines on full blast to melt them, and I think we all know that a regular building fire is inequivalent to that.
@hxcmo The steel never melted; nobody ever claimed that. It just had to weaken it enough to collapse. It loses 70% or so of its strength at those hot temperatures, so there's no surprise it weakened. There are piles of bent, weak, and soft glowing steel in buildings that burnt. Just look at the windsor tower, it collapsed from fire; it was filled with bent jagged steel, but no molten steel.
@bruckshot68 I have not heard this one. Just wondering, are there people claiming that thermite is used in welding during construction? Possible but not likely. I heard of grabbing for straws before but come on now.
@MazJax The "official report" did not claim melted steel. The news media reported melted steel at the base of the twin towers. So did the news media make this up or…
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Nobody has reproted melted steel. There was obviously melted aluminium but melted steel would have been impossible. Plus, you'd have to have filled 1/4 of the tower completely with thermite to have been able to produce "pools" of melted steel. Thermite is NOT designed for cutting steel beams, especially ones that thick. Thermite is used for welding railroad tracks together and cutting very THIN beams. Not to mention no cuts are visible before the collapse at all.
There comes a time, when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, not even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears, upon the levers, upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop......as in the 9/11 lies...
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I love the irony. An "expert" (of what exactly we don't know) who misspelled the word physics (twice). No wonder you're a little bit confused about what happened.
@urcritic It’s called dyslexia. Look it up moron. I have no idea who brought those buildings down. Though it is CLEAR to all that are not IDIOTS what brought them down. What is ironic is people that are good spellers have ZERO engineering skills.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN How was I supposed to know you have dyslexia? It was perfectly logical for me to assume you were a moron because you sound just like every other moron who comments on youtube. Anyway, google debunking 911, click on the first search result and you will find all the answers you need. Especially click on the "World Trade Center 7" menu link on the left. If afterwards you still think it was controlled demolition, I can only assume you suffer from further disabilities.
@urcritic You are correct, you had no way of knowing that. I apologize for calling you a moron it seems clear you are not. You are just misguides. You can line up 100,000,000 people to tell me there were no demolition charges used and all you have done is assembled 100,000,000 idiots or liars.
@urcritic You are getting your information from people that want you to believe a certain way? Once again do not believe the truthers or the government. Google demolition, watch some videos and decide for YOURSELF. I have not been convinced it was demolition, I knew it was the day they came down.
@urcritic By the way, I have seen all the debunking presentations (disinformation). Coming from someone that knows how to tie his own shoes. THEY ARE A JOKE.
@urcritic Ok, this is the last one, I promise. There also seems to be videos of building clasping without demolition charges. I just happen to see one it on this page. It never occurred to me to considered suggesting watching them as a comparison. Come on people, face the facts, a 6 year old can see the difference. Don’t be blinded by fear, it certainly scares the hell out of me. There is an EVIL among us and it is our duty to mankind to be rid of it.
No shortage of idiots in America. Our educational system assures that. Only 2 types of people to debunk 911THRUH, Idiots and liars. FACT; All 3 towers were brought down by controlled demolition. The government lied about how they came down thus they are involved. Who did it & why, I will leave that up to the whacko’s to figure out. Many of us want to believe our government did not do it but it is time we got our heads out of the sand. If you are not an engineer then you opinion DOES NOT COUNT.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN who made you expert. there is no conclusive evidence pointing to controlled demolition. besides any explosives needed to bring down the towers would have been noticed. If it was me i would have blown up that building because after the towers collapsed there was no way to save WTC 7. It was unsafe to be in. You youtube conspiracy "experts" don't know anything. you have no credentials. you're attention seeking idiots
It is not the stupidest comment I have had but you still get a gold star. I guess you are the kind of guy that comes home and finds all your trees laying in the yard, a guy standing there with a chainsaw in his hand tells you the wind blew them over. You would believe him. You do not have to be an expert, though I happen to be one. My point is; don’t believe the truther’s, or the government. Just goggle demolition, watch some video and decide for yourself. someone needs a hug from their mommy.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I don't think the US government is full of saints. Their agenda is clear. They want world domination militarily and economically. You only have to do a little research to discover they are the biggest terrorists on the planet. But, in the case of 9/11 there is no evidence they were involved. When you say, "If you are not an engineer then you opinion DOES NOT COUNT", what about all countless peer reviewed engineering papers (links in debunking911. com)?
@urcritic It is called disinformation. They are countless lies. What about the 1,660 engineers on ae911truth(dot)org that say it was demolition charges? Engineers are not idiots so any that back the official story is a liar. Not one of those lying engineers can back their claims with the math. The 1,660 on the URL above can. Stop using those liars as proof. Do your own research. Google clasping buildings and demolition. Your not an idiot, you can do this. Believe your eyes, not the lies.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I knew that was coming, those "lying engineers". They must have been paid off huh? The number of people involved is growing by the day. It must be in the 100's of thousdands by now, yet not even a single leak. This conversation is going the same way as the ones I used to have with religious people when I was a naiive kid, thinking they'd realise their logic was completely flawed... but alas not. Well let's just agree to disagree, whatever keeps you busy.
@urcritic The biggest reason people lie is fear, not money. If you were behind enemy lines you would lie too. Are you really too lazy to do the research yourself? Like I said, don’t believe me, the government, the debunkers, 1,660 engineers, the truthers. Look for yourself. If you can’t believe your own eyes then you are an idiot.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Nope, not lazy, did lots of reading, watching videos, no fear, not been paid off, don't even live in the US. Like, I said before, it's like a religion to you, I've been wasting my time. Nothing will change your mind (not even a reproduction because you'd call that a set up). Even if a fellow theorist performed the experiment, you'd instantly assume he or she had been paid/threatened. NOTHING would change your mind - that should raise flags in your head.
@urcritic Flags aye? Why is your had full of engineers you blindly believe right and the 1660 on that URL that you ignored wrong? You have no mechanical, no architectural and no engineering experience what so ever. But you managed to convince yourself you are qualified to make a determination of the facts. You should be checking your own flags.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN A handful of lying engineers? There are 123,000 members of ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers), 80,000 members of AIA (American Inst of Architects), 120,000 members of ASME (American Soc of Mechanical Engineers), 370,000 members of IEEE(Inst of Electrical and Electronics Engineers), 40,000 members of AIChE(American Inst of Chemical Engineers), 35,000 members of AIAA (American Inst of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who don't question the NIST report
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Well, until they do come out and question the official story, you can't assume that they disagree with it. So far, you claim there are 1,660 engineers that disagree, only 1,660 out of 10s if not 100s of thousands.
@urcritic I am not claiming a thing. The URL I gave you is making that claim. So don’t put words in my mouth. Not everyone has the balls to come forward, so far only 1,660 do. None of that changes the FACT that I have stated.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Ok, if it makes you feel better, I'll rephrase: Well, until they do come out and question the official story, you can't assume that they disagree with it. So far, your reference claims there are 1,660 engineers that disagree, only 1,660 out of 10s if not 100s of thousands. Again (and I wish I could yell this part) you cannot assume that others disagree with the NIST report, but just don't have the balls. I don't argue that none do, you just can't assume
@urcritic I all most missed something. When you said “reproduction”. Please tell me you don’t mean the computer simulated nonsense the debunkers came up with. LOL, Do you not even know how a computer works? YouTube has “reproductions” of magnetic motors, antigravity machines… Yet they don't work? That is a pretty weak defense. Anyway, I have better things to do, I am behind on some drawings of my antigravity machine. Thanks for being a proper opponent, Beat regards.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN No, I meant a real, to-scale reproduction. Don't worry, you'll never have to admit defeat based on this because nobody is going to build a replica 47 storied building over a substation, containing identical fittings, with Monokote (2-3 hour fire rated) fireproofing. Then put a huge gash on it's side 20 stories tall, set it alight and leave it to burn for 7 hours just to have the conspiracy theorists, say, "Yeah, right, you guys are part of the cover-up".
@urcritic If I had the money I would build it and give you all the jet fuel you wanted and stand on top of the building saying “not by the hair of my chiney chin chin” True fire can bring down a building. Not at free fall speeds.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Null and pointless comment, adds no value to your arument. I could say the same: If I had all the money, I'd prove it to you, but I'd stand well away from the building and say, "See, told you" - Can you see? Pointless. Also read the entire "The Free Fall Fallacy" page on the dubunking 911 website.
@urcritic If you look back through the comments, you were the one that brought it up. Try to keep up. I have read them and a get a laugh out of it every time. It is as stupid as the Warren report.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I said, even if someone reproduced it you wouldn't believe it because you are now beyond believing the evidence. I wasn't suggesting someone should nor could reproduce it. Have you read the "Free Fall Fallacy" page I suggested? Please do. Don't just say you did cos I'll test you on it ;-)
@urcritic WOW! That is pretty stupid. I never hers the 9.22 seconds thing. The caption at the top of the page saying it did not fall below freefall speed is incredibly stupid. Nothing can “fall” below free fall speed. Who is this idiot Dr. Greening that thinks a floor will collapse in about 1/10 of one second. I heard it was at near free fall and it was. The idiot comparing dead weight to explosive devices. Block buster bombs. WHAT A COMPLETE MORON.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN You don't have to keep on telling me I don't know about structural engineering, I already told you I don't. But all those tens of thousands of engineers who don't question the NIST report do, and they disagree with you. The egg analogy is ridiculous and you know it. One scenario is trivial, the other is complex. I don't usually keep score.. but what the hell. Me: 1, You: 0 (I'll forgive you all my previous pwns)
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN The "below freefall" phrase I believe is in response to some truthers who claimed times consistent with free fall speed or lower. It is obviously not what the authors of the website believe. So this renders the rest of your comment basically mute. Me: 2, You 0
@urcritic Have the debunkers show me another clasping building falling into its basement. Then I will be convinced. I will never be convinced because I know for a fact that is the one thing they cannot do. The countless engineers? Count them. Do they add up to 1660? No they don’t. A hand full of lieing engineers with thousands of reports = zip.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Some engineers believe the conspiracy theory, some do not. So what? Some scientists believe in god, some (actually most) do not. And no, I'm not a structural nor a civil engineer, therefore I have to rely on well established and respected societies and journals. The truthers couldn't get published in the latter because they failed peer review, so they had to invent their own "Journal of 9/11 Studies"
@urcritic I really do not care what the truthers say, I could care less about all the conspiracies’, your right so what regarding the engineers. I know there is one fact that cannot be disputed, disregarding the disinformation and lies. You cannot put a building of any size into its own footprint at freefall speeds without demolition charges. That is a FACT.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Well perhaps I interpreted what you said wrong, you seem to think it was a controlled demolition, that is, it goes against the official story. Is this not a conspiracy? Again, the free fall theory is a fallacy. You've never seen a building, of that size and construction and with the same damage burn unchecked for seven hours. So you don't know what would happen either.
@urcriticI will tell you another thing I have not seen. A truck run over an egg. But I can assure you I know exactly what would happen. That is just how easy it is to understand. You know eggs but you know nothing about buildings. I do.
@urcritic I never said it was not a conspiracy, I said I just don’t care about all the millions and millions of theories on this thing. Who did what why, Bal Bla Bla… I just know for an absolute fact that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolitions. By the way WTC7 was not on the freefall fallacy page? And I am 90% sure WTC1 and 2 was as well.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Probably most consp theorists have a different take on some aspect, so yours is just one of the "millions and millions". Me thinks you're trying to distance yourself from the other nutters, sorry, but no luck. You said: "I just know for an absolute fact that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolitions" - No you don't. A fact is backed by irrefutable evidence. All you have is "It looks like a controlled demolition, so then it must be". Me: 3, You 0
@urcritic explain away wtc7, molten steel, put options, nanothermite, NORAD standdown, fireproof passport, PNACs 'we need a new pear harbor', missing planes at pentagon and in penns, nose out shot, so many more, explain them away, stupid paid COINTELPRO shill, answer or i just keep asking....
@urcritic Now that I have had some sleep… There are more holes in this Freefall debate page than Saris Palin’s campaign. They try to convince you that all the weight of the upper floors is what caused the lower floors to collapse on one page. Then on the freefall page they tell you all the debris fell off to the side and have pictures to prove it. So what brought the remaining 45-55 floors? The number one giveaway of a liar is inconsistency. There is one thing that did not show in the math,
@urcritic air pressure. I do not know if you live in or been to a house that is built nearly air tight, as we are required to build them nowadays. If you try to snatch an outside door open or shut it rapidly you will feel resistance. The debunkers claim that air pressure from the floors slamming together is what blew out the windows. Although you cannot possibly grasp the concept as how strong air pressure is. If you can then I apologize in advance.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Air pressure - Have you ever slammed an outer door in a house when just one outer door wasn't closed properly? All it would take is a single point of weakness for the air pressure to be largely relieved. Couple this with the massive weight of the falling buildings and your air pressure conundrum is solved. Me: 4, You: 0
@urcritic Yeah right, apart from the fact that to take down a building in this fashion requires a specialized controlled demolition team. If this wasn't the case, there would be no need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, we can light some fires and put a small bomb in one side of the building and it will come down perfectly. Also, air pressure cannot explain the simultaneous blowing out of the right hand side nor the clear explosive demolition charge occurring at 0:02.
@DiggityMcD You realise in your other comments, you were replying to yourself right? This Youtube thing is confusing for some isn't it? Or perhaps you suffer from multiple personality disorder, in which case you should open up two accounts and reply to yourself that way, just a suggestion. Anyway I was debating someone else, I don't debate racist, bigotted, antisemite Aussie yobbos.
@urcritic If the windows were blown out by air pressure then that would have created resistance to the point that the floors could not have collapsed on their own in 110 milliseconds. Unless the windows were blown out ahead if time. I am glad you directed me to that page, now I am 100% certain that it was demolition charges on WTC1 and 2. Although the evidence is right there in front of you, you lack the faculty to see it. Not to change the subject but it does relate to the debunking.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Watch video: tacYjsS-g6k (WTC7 starts around 1:20) At 1:26 shows lots of windows breaking at the very beginning of the fall. Actually, I recomment you watch all of RKOwens4 videos (I haven't seen all of them so I can't vouch, but so far all the ones I've seen are pretty good) - in the same video it points out how no sound of demolition charges was actually heard and them not finding any explosives remnants. Me: 5, You: 0
@urcritic They show the security camera video in front of the pentagon as proof of a plane crash. Again the evidence right in front of you. If you watch you see the explosion, you have a clear view of the grounds in front of the pentagon and something is missing? Plane parts. I asked a debunker about this and he said I need to go to another page that the debunkers put together to see the plane parts. Tell me why they cannot show me plane parts in the video they use as “evidence”.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN The Pentagon? Really? I didn't know you believed this one also. The video in front of the pentagon obviously doesn't show every frame of the crash. By the time you see an explosion, the plane has hit at a velocity of 530mph. Most of the plane debris ended up inside the building. It wasn't going to bounce off the wall and present itself to you. Watch video: YTNRkb7AaQk - there you'll find plenty of plane parts. Me: 6, You: 0
@urcritic It just keeps getting more real. If you listen to the video the debunkers use ‘South Tower Collapse From Inside The North Tower Lobby’ you can hear the detonations. I know you have never witnessed a demolition but it is a very distinctive sound. In the video it is not just random noise of floors collapsing, there is a precise pattern that you will hear in any demolition. Thanks for sharing. Got any more debunking “evidence”?
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Ha ha. This is your best one yet. "You hear detonations", Really? Ok, what sound would pancaking floors make, squeaks? Have I witnessed a live demolition? No (but seen lots on Discovery channel in HD!). Have you witnessed in person a tower the size of the south tower collapse without demolition charges before 9/11? No. Me: 7, You: 0
@urcritic I had never been to that particular debunking site as I assumed it would just be all the same old BS. I was right but I did not realize it would be such a gold mine.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Yes, you should read more and more of it, but even better, just watch RKOwens4's videos. Evidence is better illustrated in videos than in text. (no score in this one, lucky you), still, Me: 7, You: 0
@urcritic I really love this debunking site. Ok the floors pan-caked down the tube structure. If this was true you would have a stack of cards in the rubble. Those floors are not just concrete, they have a thin layer of steel called drip-pan used as forms when they pour the floors. Even if the first 90 floors were crushed by the TNT and block-buster bombs.
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "stack of cards in the rubble" What!? Did you see/hear the immense forces? Controlled demolitions would leave you with the same (non-existent) problem you are talking about because as I understand it, demolition charges are laid on support beams not the floors, so your thin layers of steel would probably have looked much the same. Me: 8, You: 0
what text to speech software did u use?
PierreValois100 2 days ago
When I said, "WTC" it should have read "WTC7" as having the multi-story atrium.
Although, each of the buildings fell the only way they could have.
fascistcat 5 days ago
'poetryhound' is the paid COINTELPRO troll desperately tring to defend the official lie! 9/11 was an inside job
wellifthemediasaysit 5 days ago
The other buildings were traditional structures, where WTC was built around a multi-floor atrium.
There was no other way for WTC to fail.
fascistcat 6 days ago
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danbeauset 1 week ago
For those who you who take the blue pill by the hand full you need to go to Amazon and order Dr. Judy Wood's book, _Where Did the Towers Go?_. You will never be the same - you will either be prepared to support a revolution or leave the U.S. for good.
mujaku 1 week ago
WTC 7 fell silently leaving zero in the way of a seismic register (P and S waves). Listen to a real controlled demolition: "Seattle Kingdome Implosion." It is important to note that throughout the WTC complex there was no det cord found, shock tubes, blasting cap remnants, copper backing from explosive charges and other things which are ALWAYS present after a controlled demolition.
mujaku 1 week ago
@mujaku And how would you know all of that? Were you there to witness these things or did you just read about it?
WZW1982 12 hours ago
@WZW1982 Dude, stop taking the blue pill.
mujaku 5 hours ago
I know truthers have been having a hard time getting decent turn-outs at their rag-tag little rallies, so I have a suggestion for them. At their next rally, they should dress up like clowns, with clown suits, big floppy shoes, and little round red clown noses. This would be good for truthers because first of all, people would pay more attention to them, and second, their costumes would accurately reflect the comical stupidity of their paranoid, cultish beliefs. It's a win-win solution!
PoetryHound 1 week ago
@PoetryHound your soeone who would say everyone that believes in god hates fags and that would never admit to being wrong, be a man
hutchinson1995 1 week ago
9/11 mysteries.. shittest 'documentary' ever. Only idiots believe this crap.
cjnewson88 1 week ago
How this has been covered up! Zionist! 9/11. Bin laden working for CIA, Al Quida CIA front ? Like the Hells Angels being FBI agents, folks the devil has taken you all for ride down highway 66. 2012 ,this huge elevator we are in drops to underground or does satan enters are deminsion and prophecy is fulfilled? Isreal attacks Iran, huge war breaks out? Weres Vatican? Italy stays out or they threaton by Zionist? USA? GET READY TO RUMBLE!
GalaticSpaceHero 1 week ago
insurance job
kingbleah 2 weeks ago
Sigh...
ajpianoman1 2 weeks ago
The only continuous TWO HOUR VIDEO of the 9/11 wtc attacks that is known to exist. 130 minute WTC ATTACK VIDEO: 'Tuesday Morning in September'. It is something from that day you have NOT seen. You may have seen other posts about it on Youtube. It is not like so much other crap that has been put out since 9/11; it is not a propaganda, and or opinion piece. It has no fair comparison. It is 9/11 like you have never seen. You can preview the whole 130 chronicle. There is an upload on my channel
tusdaymorninginsept 2 weeks ago
Only a massive explosion could eject a 30 ton steel beam 420 feet horizontaly from WTC-2 into a bank building nearly 2 blocks away. These boards are filled with paid counter intell employees posting pure government propaganda. They are under contract to post hundreds of times per day. CIA admitted they have Ph.d level professors embedded into universities to promote government lies. 9-11 and JFK are two of the more prominent.
390bullitt1968 3 weeks ago 2
@390bullitt1968
yes, cognitive infiltration - i'm noticing now i can't post on certain youtube sites.
johnh173 3 weeks ago
@johnh173 - When scientists examined the nano thermite found in the dust, they discovered it was a super hi tech front line type of explosive - incendiary.
This points to only two possible players. Mossad or US government. I suspect the Nano Thermite is the smoking gun. A real investigation has been blocked at all levels.
I suspect people are being threatened if they proceed to investigate this false flag.
390bullitt1968 3 weeks ago
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I am a chemist by profession, but I have also taken many physics courses in my time. The nature of those 3 towers falling at free fall speed proves they were blown up. If they had collapsed via a pancake mechanism, the time to fall would have been 45 seconds, they fell in under 11 seconds. 47 core columns made those towers very solid. Bush prevented an investigation, so therefore the counter intell posters are having a field day. Such people dishonor the dead. God is not mocked.
390bullitt1968 3 weeks ago
The Pentagon was hit at the point farthest from the military leadership (NMCC etc),in a section mostly empty (5 of 6 normally there weren't),in the only section with full fire sprinkler coverage and the only one with walls reinforced with steel & kevlar designed to resist bomb blasts & contain debris.It was struck perfectly to contain wreckage within the building & minimize penetration.Is this all coincidence?911 doubled defense spending & allowed us to invade the Middle East.911=inside job.
waitew 3 weeks ago 2
universities the A&E will never convince the U.S. Congress to reopen anything. The A&E was born defected.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
The minions of A&E. No university, research centers, technical journals, scientists, associations of engineers, pilots, architects, firefighters and medical believe the lies and the demolition of the A&E. The same in Asia, Oceania, Canada, Europe and South America. The list below is today. I have the link of all. Always find more on the internet. There evidence against the towers and WTC7.Only 0,0001% of U.S. engineers are in A&E. Without the
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
@aczjbr So what you are really saying is only 0.0001% of engineers have balls? BTW, thanks for the list of idiots, good to know.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Idiot isn’t studied to be an engineer. I’m engineer. Now you will see the list of Europe attests that the false science of A&E and its dirty conspiracy like you.
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@aczjbr If you are an engineer and you think those buildings just happen to fall into their own footprint, then you are a poor engineer. I feel concern for your clients. Don’t try to put words into my mouth as all you idiots try to do. I know nothing about any conspiracy, I do know a great deal about structure.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Wait and see you and all the A&E are a minority in the world and the USA.They´re 3.5 million engineers against those in its A&E? Their false rejects science and on 5 continents. I'm at work and night complete the list of Europe. Pass to Canada, Asia, Oceania and South America. Wait!
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN " just happen to fall into their own footprint" - None of them fell into their own footprint.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 Now you’re just splitting a hair which is the first sign of weakness in a debate. Were there 47 stories of building stretched out a quarter mile down the road? They did not fall over. Other than some residual debris they fell into their own footprint. You are free to believe whatever you want to believe but you will never be truly free until you have the capacity to believe the truth.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago 2
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Now you’re just splitting a hair" - Your statement is incorrect. It deceptively used by many conspiracy theorists to try and make collapses sound more like controlled demolitions. They did not fall into their footprint. Don't state otherwise.
" They did not fall over"
- No they collapsed.
"but you will never be truly free until you have the capacity to believe the truth"
- Done that. Guess I'm free.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 So they rapidly clasped onto their own footprint. Doesn’t matter to me how it is worded. I guess believing that you are free is the next best thing. Kind of like the sheep they graze in open pasture.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So they rapidly clasped onto their own footprint" - They didn't collapse into their own footprint. "I guess believing that you are free " - Ah but you *know* better.
"Kind of like the sheep" - That's a new one. Never been called that by a conspiracy theorist before. You forgot to tell me to "wake up".
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Looks like you aren't aware that most of your truther chums acknowledge that WTC 1 & 2 didn't fall in their footprints. In fact, they claim that the ejection of steel far OUTSIDE the footprints indicates CD. So you're kind of on your own in claiming they essentially fell in their footprints.
bagintree 2 weeks ago
@bagintree You are correct about one thing. I am on my own in regards to determining the facts. You on the other hand are just one of the sheep that believe what you are told. Still your case is so weak you continue to split hairs. Yes some debris were projected from the building but rather than asking why, you use this information in the most ridicules attempt to suggest that they did not fall onto their footprints.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
@bagintree When a building collapses it is directed by the resistance of the supporting structure which will cause it to move in the direction of least resistance. None if this physical action will create projectiles. Characteristically the point of least resistance is outside of the structure. That is why when a building collapses, it for the most part falls over. Watch the videos, you see then falling straight down onto their own footprints.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "That is why when a building collapses, it for the most part falls over" - Where is the force going to come from the make 20 floors of the WTC move to the left? Wind?
20 floors smash down on one weakened floor... it cannot stop them or move them... the structural strength for that floor is smashed and 21 floors fall onto the next... then 22 onto the next.. and it continues.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? That is the problem with basing your debate on lies you have heard. When you put everything you say in one column, it just doesn’t add up. Sure maybe the first dozen floors may not have stopped it. But 100+ give me a break. It takes very little influence to redirect an object that is in free fall. I am not talking about the free fall speed so don’t start ringing that bell just yet.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
They did not fall into their own footprint.
What part of the above sentence confuses you?
markh1011 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
They did not fall into their own footprint.
What part of the above sentence confuses you?
markh1011 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
They did not fall into their own footprint.
What part of the above sentence confuses you?
markh1011 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "So does that mean you are saying they did fall (oops! I meant collapse) onto their own footprint? " - Is English you're second language?
They did not fall into their own footprint.
What part of the above sentence confuses you?
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "That is the problem with basing your debate on lies you have heard. " - Point out the lie.
Go.
". When you put everything you say in one column, it just doesn’t add up."
- huh? What doesn't add up. Don't make vague statements.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Sure maybe the first dozen floors may not have stopped it."
- Yes but then you have over 30 floors of the WTC smashing down on the floors below with momentum. With every second the amount of falling debris increases and the velocity increases... The structure will not stop that.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN ". It takes very little influence to redirect an object that is in free fall"
- Were are not talking about an object in free fall we are talking 30 stories of the WTC.... thousands of tons of concrete and steel.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 Are the floors falling? Yes. Are there any cabled connected to them to control the speed of the fall, No. This is a description of an object in free fall. If you cannot even grasp this elementary fact. You certainly cannot grasp anything beyond it. It would be a waste of my time to explain it to someone that lacks the capacity to understand. I do not intend to be vague, just brief as the space to rely is limited.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Are the floors falling? Yes" - Ok good so far.
"Are there any cabled connected to them to control the speed of the fall, No" - wtf?
"This is a description of an object in free fall." wtf?
"If you cannot even grasp this elementary fact." - You don't know what free fall is do you?
"It would be a waste of my time to explain it" -You can't explain something you don't understand. You made an arse of yourself and are now backing away.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "I do not intend to be vague, "
- lol do another moon analogy! That was great.
"just brief as the space to rely "
- Plenty of space for incoherent rambling about the moon apparently.
The buildings did not fall into their own footprint. Deal with it. The moon isn't going to help you.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 You have made up your mind to believe the lies. All I can say about that is good for you. When I say the “Official” story does not add up. I am talking about the entire story, not just the little bits and pieces debated here. Your mind is closed and thus you lack the ability to learn. I feel bad for your family having you as their protector put them in great peril.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "You have made up your mind to believe the lies. "
- I refuted your claims so the standard conspiracy theorist fish-shaking rant comes out..
"When I say the “Official” story does not add up. I am talking about the entire story, "
- So why can't you tell my more than that vague statement? Because you don't know.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Your mind is closed"
- You lost an argument so my mind is closed. Got it. You've had a go. Didn't do so good. Run along.
"I feel bad for your family having you as their protector put them in great peril" - We're fine I'm actually a secret government agent myself. I get paid to do this... oh and I help recover crashed alien craft as well.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 All that means is in any case you are a liar.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Well actually I was just mocking you but never mind.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 Example: the moon is pretty massive, yes. It stays in orbit around the earth due to gravity. The force of gravity is reduced but the inverse square law relative to distance from the source. The moon is quite a distance away, meaning the gravitational force from the earth would be a number too small for you to comprehend. Now if the moon was sitting on the face of mars and mars was as close as the moon is now the earth would have no affect on it.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Now if the moon was sitting on the face of mars and mars was as close as the moon is now the earth would have no affect on it. "
- Are you kidding? I'm going to assume that was attempted humor. You cannot possibly think that description of the moon has some relevance to something you have said here.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@markh1011 Well I do have to give you some props, you are getting better at debating. If you want to debate the entire “Official” story. There are plenty of things that don’t add up.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "Well I do have to give you some props, you are getting better at debating." - You are not. Appalling attempt to use the moon as an analogy... repeated condescension and rudeness, vague references .... You should not be lecturing people about debating. "If you want to debate the entire “Official” story. " - Sure go ahead.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "falling straight down onto their own footprints."- They did not fall into their footprints. You can say it over and over but that doesn't make it fact.
markh1011 2 weeks ago
@bagintree If you are going to debate me, read a book on debating, your rebuttals are senseless. By the way, the truthers as not my “chums”. I wish most of the would just shut up. They do more harm than good. A lot of what they present makes the lies of the “Official story” more appalling. Especially to people like you that lack the experience or capacity to think for themselves.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Italy
Politecnico di Torino, Dept. of Structural and Geotechnical Engineering,
Ireland & Italy
FIREFOX INTERNATIONAL
Czech Republic
Joint Committee on Structural Safety (JCSS), Praga,
IABSE, International Association for Bridge and Structural Engineering, Praga
NETHERLANDS
Delft University of Technology (TU Delft)
CIB, International Council for Research and Innovation in Building and Construction, Rotterdam
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Romania
Military Technical Academy, Mechatronics Department and Department Integrated Systems of armament, Bucharest
Technical university of civil, Mechatronics Department of and Department.: Mechanics of structure, Bucharest
Switzerland.
Institute for Building Materials, ETH Zurich, Zurich,
Technical University Zurich
RILEM (International Union of Laboratories and Experts in Construction Materials, Systems and Structures), Zurich
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN FIB,International Federation for Structural Concrete,Lausenne
Belgium
Fire Protection Consultants (FPC), Noorderlaan 133, 2000 Antwerp,
Université Libre de Bruxelles, Faculty Of Applied Sciences
Royal Military Academy Polytechnic faculty, Bruxelles,
ECCS, European Convention for Constructional Steelwork, Brussels
EUROPEAN COOPERATION IN SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY,
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN (FSEG) & School of Computing and Mathematical Sciences,
University of Ulster, Faculty of Engineering & FireSERT,
UK Atomic Energy Agency, (UKAEA),
University of Newcastle, Civil Engineering Department,
Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI), Department of Mechanical Engineering,
University of Manchester, Department of Faculty of Engineering and Physical,
University of Sheffield, Department of Structural Fire Engineering Research,
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Royal Academy of Engineering
Scotland’s National Academy,
University of Edinburgh; School of Engineering and Electronics,
Univesity of Greenwich, Fire Safety engineering group, London
University of Newcastle, Civil Engineering Department
University of Oxford, Department of Materials,
University of Liverpool, Centre for Investigative Psychology. This is for anyone Who believes in demolition,
University of Greenwich, Fire Safety Engineering Group
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Austria
Vienna University of Technology,
UK
Cambridge University, Engineering Department (CUED);
Century Dynamics Ltd. Horsham, West Sussex,
Imperial College London, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering,
Royal Society of Edinburgh
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Germany
University of Munich, Institute of Statistics, Germany
Hamburg University of Technology (TUHH), Structural Analysis and Steel Structures Institute
University of Karlsruhe, Department Civil Engineering
Hochschule Regensburg University of Apllied sciences
aczjbr 2 weeks ago
New York City Fire Department
Fort Myer Fire Department.
Arlington Professional Fire Fighters Association, IAFF; Arlington.
Fairfax County Fire and Rescue,
Kappler Safety Group
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
InterAgency Board for Equipment Standardization and InterOperability
International Association of Fire Chiefs
International Association of Fire Fighters
Emergency Medical Services, Oklahoma City Fire Department.
SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY POLICY INSTITUTE RAND:
New York City Department of Environmental Protection.
North Carolina State University, Center for Research Textile Protection & Comfort
Washington State Urban Search and Rescue
Occupational Health & Environmental Safety, 3M Company.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
New York City Department of Environmental Protection.
New York City Office of Emergency Management.
Kappler Safety Group
Bechtel Group, Inc.
Oklahoma City National Memorial Institute for the Prevention of Terrorism
University of Massachusetts Memorial Medical Center; American College of Medical Toxicology; Department of Emergency Medicine,
State University of New York at Albany, Doctor of Arts & architecture
ArchitectureWeek.. com
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
Fire Protection Engineering . com
McGraw-Hill Construction Online
NFPA . ORG . FOR
Scientific American . com
Enr.com - Engeneerin news
Journal of Engineering Mechanics ASCE
Popular Mechanics
Skeptic . com
Applied Research Associates, Inc.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
Century Dynamics, Inc.Concord,CA,
Century Dynamics, Inc., Concord, CA
Cagley & Associates
DeStefano Associates, and is a Partner in the firm of Coastal Engineering Partners.
Gilsanz Murray Steficek, a structural engineering and building envelope consulting firm.
Myers, Houghton & Partners, Inc. Structural Engineers, Long Beach CA
Teng & Associates, Inc. in Chicago.
American Institute of Steel Construction Inc, Chicago(AISC),
American Society of Civil Engineers(ASCE),123,000 members
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
American Institute of Architects(AIA),80,000 members
American Concrete Institute(ACI),20,000 members spanning 108 countries.
American Council Of Engineering Companies(ACEC),6,000 independent engineering companies
American Society of Mechanical Engineers(ASME),120,000 members
American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics(AIAA),35,000 members
American Institute of Chemical Engineers(AIChE),40,000 members
American Standards Institute(ANSI),125 mil empresas e 3.500 mil members.
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
Association of de Wall & Ceiling Industry,2.000 members that are primarily wall and ceiling contractors
Department of Design and Construction(DDC) in NY,1,200 members
International Union of Operating Engineers, Canada & USA, Training Center,
National Fire Protection Association
Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat(CTBUH), Global Representation: Australia, China, Hong Kong, Japan, Rep. Korea, The Netherlands, Qatar & South Africa
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
Geneva College is a comprehensive Christian college of the arts, sciences and professional studies. Beaver Falls, PA.
International Metallographic Society,
Institute of Structural Engineers Association of New York(SEAoNY),
Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers(IEEE),370,000 members
Minerals, Metals & Materials Society,15,000 members
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
National Council of Structural Engineers Associations(NCSEA),12 mil members,
National Fire Protection Association(NFPA),70,000 individuals around the world,
Structural Engineering Institute(SEI),
Society for Fire Protection Engineering(SFPE),
Atlantic International University, Civil Engineering Department,Miami
Columbia University, Foundation School of Engineering and Applied Science
California Polytechnic State University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
Cornell University, School Civil and Environmental Engineering & Department of Crop Soil Sciencies
Florida International University, School Civil and Environmental Engineering
Lehigh University, Department Civil Engineering
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), Engineering Department,
Michigan State University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Northwestern University, Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering,
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
National Academy of Engineering,
Princeton University, Department of Civil & Environmental Engineering
Penn state University,Protective technology center,
Ohio State University.Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering and Geodetic
University of Akron,Department of Mechanical Engineering
University of Arizona, Engineering Civil Department,
University of Colorado,Engineering Civil Department,
University of Chicago, NORC at the Department of Security, Energy, and Environment
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
University of Delaware, Department of Sociology,Criminal Justice,Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
University of Iowa, Department of Physics and Astronomy,
University of Louisville,Department of Urban and Public Affairs
University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign,Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering,
University of Notre Dame,Department of Civil Engineering and Geological Sciences and the Student Chapter of the Earthquake Engineering Research Institute
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
University of Perdue, School of Civil Engineering,
University of Texas at El Paso, Department of Computer Science & Department of Public Administration
Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University,
Worcester Polytechnic Institute,Massachusetts,Engineering Department,
Washington State University;Department of Political Science,Criminal Justice,School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science,
aczjbr 3 weeks ago
Person below me u are one of the smart ones unlike the conspeticy theory people
prodigygamerxx 4 weeks ago
Heavy steel debris hit the building, which caused fires. The fires were spread across all 47 floors, according to some firefighters. They pulled out because they were fearing the building to collapse. The building collapsed because it was hit in a critical area and it was much heavier and less strongly designed, unlike the other small wtc buildings. The collapse lasted 17 seconds if you count the total internal collapse shortly before the outer wall collapse. What's so hard?
MazJax 1 month ago
@MazJax It's scientifically proven that heat from fire isn't hot enough to actually melt the steel girders that hold up the skyscrapers of the modern age. It would take as much heat as TWO jet engines on full blast to melt them, and I think we all know that a regular building fire is inequivalent to that.
hxcmo 4 weeks ago
@hxcmo The steel never melted; nobody ever claimed that. It just had to weaken it enough to collapse. It loses 70% or so of its strength at those hot temperatures, so there's no surprise it weakened. There are piles of bent, weak, and soft glowing steel in buildings that burnt. Just look at the windsor tower, it collapsed from fire; it was filled with bent jagged steel, but no molten steel.
MazJax 3 weeks ago
@MazJax and you believe it all collapsed at the same time, why do you believe this shit?
jakeyalmighty 3 weeks ago
@MazJax Then explain why thermite was found at ground zero. Not just spot welds that could have been used for construction but entire rocks of it.
bruckshot68 3 weeks ago
@bruckshot68 I have not heard this one. Just wondering, are there people claiming that thermite is used in welding during construction? Possible but not likely. I heard of grabbing for straws before but come on now.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I'ts possible it could be used for welding, but I find it very unlikely.
bruckshot68 2 weeks ago
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MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
@MazJax The "official report" did not claim melted steel. The news media reported melted steel at the base of the twin towers. So did the news media make this up or…
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 weeks ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Nobody has reproted melted steel. There was obviously melted aluminium but melted steel would have been impossible. Plus, you'd have to have filled 1/4 of the tower completely with thermite to have been able to produce "pools" of melted steel. Thermite is NOT designed for cutting steel beams, especially ones that thick. Thermite is used for welding railroad tracks together and cutting very THIN beams. Not to mention no cuts are visible before the collapse at all.
MazJax 1 week ago
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There comes a time, when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can't take part, not even passively take part, and you've got to put your bodies upon the gears, upon the levers, upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop......as in the 9/11 lies...
Disdain4Lies 1 month ago
No, can't post Ed Chiriani's website.
DiggityMcD 1 month ago
Truth forever, I don't care if they torture me to death, I'm never going to go along with this bullshit.
Fuck you assholes. My afterlife will be sweet. You're going to rot in hell. You chose it.
DiggityMcD 1 month ago
Everything seems to collapse on their own footprint. Even the steelbar that was left after the tower collapsed.
/watch?v=dzm2wfiXdW4
Scumbot404 1 month ago
WTF shit no one even knows a 3rd building went down
lggrundy1 1 month ago
@lggrundy1 What does that tell you abput the press? I'm not saying anything, just think for your self.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
Of course building fell straight down that's called physics.
Laidoutbug 1 month ago
@Laidoutbug If you call that physis, then you need to study physis.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I love the irony. An "expert" (of what exactly we don't know) who misspelled the word physics (twice). No wonder you're a little bit confused about what happened.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic It’s called dyslexia. Look it up moron. I have no idea who brought those buildings down. Though it is CLEAR to all that are not IDIOTS what brought them down. What is ironic is people that are good spellers have ZERO engineering skills.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN How was I supposed to know you have dyslexia? It was perfectly logical for me to assume you were a moron because you sound just like every other moron who comments on youtube. Anyway, google debunking 911, click on the first search result and you will find all the answers you need. Especially click on the "World Trade Center 7" menu link on the left. If afterwards you still think it was controlled demolition, I can only assume you suffer from further disabilities.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic You are correct, you had no way of knowing that. I apologize for calling you a moron it seems clear you are not. You are just misguides. You can line up 100,000,000 people to tell me there were no demolition charges used and all you have done is assembled 100,000,000 idiots or liars.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@urcritic You are getting your information from people that want you to believe a certain way? Once again do not believe the truthers or the government. Google demolition, watch some videos and decide for YOURSELF. I have not been convinced it was demolition, I knew it was the day they came down.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@urcritic By the way, I have seen all the debunking presentations (disinformation). Coming from someone that knows how to tie his own shoes. THEY ARE A JOKE.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@urcritic Ok, this is the last one, I promise. There also seems to be videos of building clasping without demolition charges. I just happen to see one it on this page. It never occurred to me to considered suggesting watching them as a comparison. Come on people, face the facts, a 6 year old can see the difference. Don’t be blinded by fear, it certainly scares the hell out of me. There is an EVIL among us and it is our duty to mankind to be rid of it.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
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username7046 1 month ago
larry sliverstain is a fucking evil jew. hope he dies soon
azeivio 1 month ago
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JMcMac21 1 month ago
@JMcMac21 doesnt work.
stefanlowe 1 month ago
No shortage of idiots in America. Our educational system assures that. Only 2 types of people to debunk 911THRUH, Idiots and liars. FACT; All 3 towers were brought down by controlled demolition. The government lied about how they came down thus they are involved. Who did it & why, I will leave that up to the whacko’s to figure out. Many of us want to believe our government did not do it but it is time we got our heads out of the sand. If you are not an engineer then you opinion DOES NOT COUNT.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 2 months ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN who made you expert. there is no conclusive evidence pointing to controlled demolition. besides any explosives needed to bring down the towers would have been noticed. If it was me i would have blown up that building because after the towers collapsed there was no way to save WTC 7. It was unsafe to be in. You youtube conspiracy "experts" don't know anything. you have no credentials. you're attention seeking idiots
chillaxer1993 1 month ago
It is not the stupidest comment I have had but you still get a gold star. I guess you are the kind of guy that comes home and finds all your trees laying in the yard, a guy standing there with a chainsaw in his hand tells you the wind blew them over. You would believe him. You do not have to be an expert, though I happen to be one. My point is; don’t believe the truther’s, or the government. Just goggle demolition, watch some video and decide for yourself. someone needs a hug from their mommy.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I don't think the US government is full of saints. Their agenda is clear. They want world domination militarily and economically. You only have to do a little research to discover they are the biggest terrorists on the planet. But, in the case of 9/11 there is no evidence they were involved. When you say, "If you are not an engineer then you opinion DOES NOT COUNT", what about all countless peer reviewed engineering papers (links in debunking911. com)?
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic It is called disinformation. They are countless lies. What about the 1,660 engineers on ae911truth(dot)org that say it was demolition charges? Engineers are not idiots so any that back the official story is a liar. Not one of those lying engineers can back their claims with the math. The 1,660 on the URL above can. Stop using those liars as proof. Do your own research. Google clasping buildings and demolition. Your not an idiot, you can do this. Believe your eyes, not the lies.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I knew that was coming, those "lying engineers". They must have been paid off huh? The number of people involved is growing by the day. It must be in the 100's of thousdands by now, yet not even a single leak. This conversation is going the same way as the ones I used to have with religious people when I was a naiive kid, thinking they'd realise their logic was completely flawed... but alas not. Well let's just agree to disagree, whatever keeps you busy.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic The biggest reason people lie is fear, not money. If you were behind enemy lines you would lie too. Are you really too lazy to do the research yourself? Like I said, don’t believe me, the government, the debunkers, 1,660 engineers, the truthers. Look for yourself. If you can’t believe your own eyes then you are an idiot.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Nope, not lazy, did lots of reading, watching videos, no fear, not been paid off, don't even live in the US. Like, I said before, it's like a religion to you, I've been wasting my time. Nothing will change your mind (not even a reproduction because you'd call that a set up). Even if a fellow theorist performed the experiment, you'd instantly assume he or she had been paid/threatened. NOTHING would change your mind - that should raise flags in your head.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic Flags aye? Why is your had full of engineers you blindly believe right and the 1660 on that URL that you ignored wrong? You have no mechanical, no architectural and no engineering experience what so ever. But you managed to convince yourself you are qualified to make a determination of the facts. You should be checking your own flags.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN A handful of lying engineers? There are 123,000 members of ASCE (American Society of Civil Engineers), 80,000 members of AIA (American Inst of Architects), 120,000 members of ASME (American Soc of Mechanical Engineers), 370,000 members of IEEE(Inst of Electrical and Electronics Engineers), 40,000 members of AIChE(American Inst of Chemical Engineers), 35,000 members of AIAA (American Inst of Aeronautics and Astronautics) who don't question the NIST report
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic You are correct on the number of members. You are wrong to assume more than a handfull agree with the "offical story"
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Well, until they do come out and question the official story, you can't assume that they disagree with it. So far, you claim there are 1,660 engineers that disagree, only 1,660 out of 10s if not 100s of thousands.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic I am not claiming a thing. The URL I gave you is making that claim. So don’t put words in my mouth. Not everyone has the balls to come forward, so far only 1,660 do. None of that changes the FACT that I have stated.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
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@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Ok, if it makes you feel better, I'll rephrase: Well, until they do come out and question the official story, you can't assume that they disagree with it. So far, your reference claims there are 1,660 engineers that disagree, only 1,660 out of 10s if not 100s of thousands. Again (and I wish I could yell this part) you cannot assume that others disagree with the NIST report, but just don't have the balls. I don't argue that none do, you just can't assume
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic I all most missed something. When you said “reproduction”. Please tell me you don’t mean the computer simulated nonsense the debunkers came up with. LOL, Do you not even know how a computer works? YouTube has “reproductions” of magnetic motors, antigravity machines… Yet they don't work? That is a pretty weak defense. Anyway, I have better things to do, I am behind on some drawings of my antigravity machine. Thanks for being a proper opponent, Beat regards.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN No, I meant a real, to-scale reproduction. Don't worry, you'll never have to admit defeat based on this because nobody is going to build a replica 47 storied building over a substation, containing identical fittings, with Monokote (2-3 hour fire rated) fireproofing. Then put a huge gash on it's side 20 stories tall, set it alight and leave it to burn for 7 hours just to have the conspiracy theorists, say, "Yeah, right, you guys are part of the cover-up".
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic If I had the money I would build it and give you all the jet fuel you wanted and stand on top of the building saying “not by the hair of my chiney chin chin” True fire can bring down a building. Not at free fall speeds.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Null and pointless comment, adds no value to your arument. I could say the same: If I had all the money, I'd prove it to you, but I'd stand well away from the building and say, "See, told you" - Can you see? Pointless. Also read the entire "The Free Fall Fallacy" page on the dubunking 911 website.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic If you look back through the comments, you were the one that brought it up. Try to keep up. I have read them and a get a laugh out of it every time. It is as stupid as the Warren report.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN I said, even if someone reproduced it you wouldn't believe it because you are now beyond believing the evidence. I wasn't suggesting someone should nor could reproduce it. Have you read the "Free Fall Fallacy" page I suggested? Please do. Don't just say you did cos I'll test you on it ;-)
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic WOW! That is pretty stupid. I never hers the 9.22 seconds thing. The caption at the top of the page saying it did not fall below freefall speed is incredibly stupid. Nothing can “fall” below free fall speed. Who is this idiot Dr. Greening that thinks a floor will collapse in about 1/10 of one second. I heard it was at near free fall and it was. The idiot comparing dead weight to explosive devices. Block buster bombs. WHAT A COMPLETE MORON.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN You don't have to keep on telling me I don't know about structural engineering, I already told you I don't. But all those tens of thousands of engineers who don't question the NIST report do, and they disagree with you. The egg analogy is ridiculous and you know it. One scenario is trivial, the other is complex. I don't usually keep score.. but what the hell. Me: 1, You: 0 (I'll forgive you all my previous pwns)
urcritic 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN The "below freefall" phrase I believe is in response to some truthers who claimed times consistent with free fall speed or lower. It is obviously not what the authors of the website believe. So this renders the rest of your comment basically mute. Me: 2, You 0
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic Have the debunkers show me another clasping building falling into its basement. Then I will be convinced. I will never be convinced because I know for a fact that is the one thing they cannot do. The countless engineers? Count them. Do they add up to 1660? No they don’t. A hand full of lieing engineers with thousands of reports = zip.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Some engineers believe the conspiracy theory, some do not. So what? Some scientists believe in god, some (actually most) do not. And no, I'm not a structural nor a civil engineer, therefore I have to rely on well established and respected societies and journals. The truthers couldn't get published in the latter because they failed peer review, so they had to invent their own "Journal of 9/11 Studies"
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic I really do not care what the truthers say, I could care less about all the conspiracies’, your right so what regarding the engineers. I know there is one fact that cannot be disputed, disregarding the disinformation and lies. You cannot put a building of any size into its own footprint at freefall speeds without demolition charges. That is a FACT.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Well perhaps I interpreted what you said wrong, you seem to think it was a controlled demolition, that is, it goes against the official story. Is this not a conspiracy? Again, the free fall theory is a fallacy. You've never seen a building, of that size and construction and with the same damage burn unchecked for seven hours. So you don't know what would happen either.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcriticI will tell you another thing I have not seen. A truck run over an egg. But I can assure you I know exactly what would happen. That is just how easy it is to understand. You know eggs but you know nothing about buildings. I do.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@urcritic I never said it was not a conspiracy, I said I just don’t care about all the millions and millions of theories on this thing. Who did what why, Bal Bla Bla… I just know for an absolute fact that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolitions. By the way WTC7 was not on the freefall fallacy page? And I am 90% sure WTC1 and 2 was as well.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Probably most consp theorists have a different take on some aspect, so yours is just one of the "millions and millions". Me thinks you're trying to distance yourself from the other nutters, sorry, but no luck. You said: "I just know for an absolute fact that WTC7 was brought down by controlled demolitions" - No you don't. A fact is backed by irrefutable evidence. All you have is "It looks like a controlled demolition, so then it must be". Me: 3, You 0
urcritic 1 month ago
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@urcritic explain away wtc7, molten steel, put options, nanothermite, NORAD standdown, fireproof passport, PNACs 'we need a new pear harbor', missing planes at pentagon and in penns, nose out shot, so many more, explain them away, stupid paid COINTELPRO shill, answer or i just keep asking....
wellifthemediasaysit 1 month ago
@urcritic Now that I have had some sleep… There are more holes in this Freefall debate page than Saris Palin’s campaign. They try to convince you that all the weight of the upper floors is what caused the lower floors to collapse on one page. Then on the freefall page they tell you all the debris fell off to the side and have pictures to prove it. So what brought the remaining 45-55 floors? The number one giveaway of a liar is inconsistency. There is one thing that did not show in the math,
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@urcritic air pressure. I do not know if you live in or been to a house that is built nearly air tight, as we are required to build them nowadays. If you try to snatch an outside door open or shut it rapidly you will feel resistance. The debunkers claim that air pressure from the floors slamming together is what blew out the windows. Although you cannot possibly grasp the concept as how strong air pressure is. If you can then I apologize in advance.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Air pressure - Have you ever slammed an outer door in a house when just one outer door wasn't closed properly? All it would take is a single point of weakness for the air pressure to be largely relieved. Couple this with the massive weight of the falling buildings and your air pressure conundrum is solved. Me: 4, You: 0
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic Yeah right, apart from the fact that to take down a building in this fashion requires a specialized controlled demolition team. If this wasn't the case, there would be no need to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars, we can light some fires and put a small bomb in one side of the building and it will come down perfectly. Also, air pressure cannot explain the simultaneous blowing out of the right hand side nor the clear explosive demolition charge occurring at 0:02.
Me 1, you 0.
DiggityMcD 1 month ago
@DiggityMcD Wrong video for the 0:02 reference.
DiggityMcD 1 month ago
@DiggityMcD Was referring to this video watch?v=AsJQKpnkZ10
DiggityMcD 1 month ago
@DiggityMcD You realise in your other comments, you were replying to yourself right? This Youtube thing is confusing for some isn't it? Or perhaps you suffer from multiple personality disorder, in which case you should open up two accounts and reply to yourself that way, just a suggestion. Anyway I was debating someone else, I don't debate racist, bigotted, antisemite Aussie yobbos.
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic Oh ok. Thanks for your masterful input. You realize the WTC demolition was a demolition. Good. Now run along little boy.
DiggityMcD 1 month ago
@urcritic If the windows were blown out by air pressure then that would have created resistance to the point that the floors could not have collapsed on their own in 110 milliseconds. Unless the windows were blown out ahead if time. I am glad you directed me to that page, now I am 100% certain that it was demolition charges on WTC1 and 2. Although the evidence is right there in front of you, you lack the faculty to see it. Not to change the subject but it does relate to the debunking.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Watch video: tacYjsS-g6k (WTC7 starts around 1:20) At 1:26 shows lots of windows breaking at the very beginning of the fall. Actually, I recomment you watch all of RKOwens4 videos (I haven't seen all of them so I can't vouch, but so far all the ones I've seen are pretty good) - in the same video it points out how no sound of demolition charges was actually heard and them not finding any explosives remnants. Me: 5, You: 0
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic They show the security camera video in front of the pentagon as proof of a plane crash. Again the evidence right in front of you. If you watch you see the explosion, you have a clear view of the grounds in front of the pentagon and something is missing? Plane parts. I asked a debunker about this and he said I need to go to another page that the debunkers put together to see the plane parts. Tell me why they cannot show me plane parts in the video they use as “evidence”.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN The Pentagon? Really? I didn't know you believed this one also. The video in front of the pentagon obviously doesn't show every frame of the crash. By the time you see an explosion, the plane has hit at a velocity of 530mph. Most of the plane debris ended up inside the building. It wasn't going to bounce off the wall and present itself to you. Watch video: YTNRkb7AaQk - there you'll find plenty of plane parts. Me: 6, You: 0
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic It just keeps getting more real. If you listen to the video the debunkers use ‘South Tower Collapse From Inside The North Tower Lobby’ you can hear the detonations. I know you have never witnessed a demolition but it is a very distinctive sound. In the video it is not just random noise of floors collapsing, there is a precise pattern that you will hear in any demolition. Thanks for sharing. Got any more debunking “evidence”?
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Ha ha. This is your best one yet. "You hear detonations", Really? Ok, what sound would pancaking floors make, squeaks? Have I witnessed a live demolition? No (but seen lots on Discovery channel in HD!). Have you witnessed in person a tower the size of the south tower collapse without demolition charges before 9/11? No. Me: 7, You: 0
urcritic 1 month ago
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MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@urcritic I had never been to that particular debunking site as I assumed it would just be all the same old BS. I was right but I did not realize it would be such a gold mine.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN Yes, you should read more and more of it, but even better, just watch RKOwens4's videos. Evidence is better illustrated in videos than in text. (no score in this one, lucky you), still, Me: 7, You: 0
urcritic 1 month ago
@urcritic I really love this debunking site. Ok the floors pan-caked down the tube structure. If this was true you would have a stack of cards in the rubble. Those floors are not just concrete, they have a thin layer of steel called drip-pan used as forms when they pour the floors. Even if the first 90 floors were crushed by the TNT and block-buster bombs.
MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN 1 month ago
@MrTHEORIGINALICEMAN "stack of cards in the rubble" What!? Did you see/hear the immense forces? Controlled demolitions would leave you with the same (non-existent) problem you are talking about because as I understand it, demolition charges are laid on support beams not the floors, so your thin layers of steel would probably have looked much the same. Me: 8, You: 0
urcritic 1 month ago