If it is a poorly made movie, why would you need to even say so? I'll grant that many may not like the movie, and I'll grant that many may not like the idea that Hitler used evolutionary ideology to paint Arians as a favoured race, but that doesn't negate the fact that actual harassment of academics who question the efficacy of evolution took place. That is its point.
It wouldn't because we are one species and the difference between races is so incredibly small it could never justify racism, it really is insignificant and anyone who says africans are closer to monkeys or anything like that is dead wrong.
1st of all this movie is not for religious fundamentalist as i do not see any religion being preached in the movie so you are wrong there. the movie itself was not about the methodologies of science but it was about the corruption in the political system. In future if you want to criticize something make sure you understand what you are going to criticize.
No, nobody has the answers. Why? Because a person that believes in the truth, doesn't make shit up, which is what a religious person would do. The fact we don't know how it all began for sure, does not indicate that there is a "god" that designed it. It proves nothing. Then, the fact is that the evidence supports evolution on behalf of biology, since there is no proof of a "god". Therefore, evolution should be thought as the primary theory.
Does this mean you entertain the idea of intellegent design and the idea that the right to freedom of speech is dictated and stripped away from people who wish to exercise it? What if little aliens made us? Would that be cool with you? Can we call them gods? Is their a flaw in your genetic structure? I hope you don't procreate. *smiling*
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where is the fossil record to prove evolution. Why are you so afraid of teaching both ID and evolution are you scared people will be able to make up there own minds.
Actually, the fossil record shows clear transitions between species. And in science classes in schools, you don't teach about aliens, god, and time traveling biologists.
go to the natural history museum exhibit in london and u will see the thousands upon thousands of cataloged fossils and preserved specimens from millions of years worth of history.
evolution is routed in all the evidence we can possibly collect from the Earth. ID is routed solely on faith and what cannot be immediatley explained through scientific method.
It is not to with people making up there own minds, its to do with teaching children an incorrect way to understand the world around them.
Noone is "afraid of teaching ID and evolution" it's simply not appropriate to do so; plus there is NOTHING to teach about Intelligent Design. There is a process for information being taught.
"where is the fossil record to prove evolution"
You obviously don't know much about fossils, or genetics. We don't need the fossil record to prove evolution, even though it clearly does. Modern genetics USE evolutionary concepts to make predictions.. that make BILLIONS of dollars. Read and come back.
No evidence? He shows a bunch of cases of the discrimination? Thats not evidence?
And thats always a retarded argument that people like you say "They will acctually care about science and the scientific method" Thats just retarded. Many religious people are scientists. Einstein believed there was a god. Isaac Newton said that he was just "explaining gods handiwork. And many more. So once again to say that religious people don't think about science, is a retarded claim.
i was just wondering doesn't evolution justify racism because now people could say that certain races of man have evoloved farther than other races of man so some could be supeior to others because there group has evolved farther
No, evolution doesn't justify racism or any other normative judgment for that matter. Evolution, true or false, is just a fact about the physical world. It is not a way of life, personal philosophy, or a statement of moral sentiment. It is just a theory about something that has happened in our planet's history. It doesn't have any bearing on what should or shouldn't be done, or how we should act, think, or behave. For answers to these questions you must look outside of science.
You sir are an idiot. Ignorant? don't speak of it because you just gave me the best example.
Anyways your video was lame. Calling it deceitful is also ignorant. Have you done research?
Homosexuality is not just a sin against religion its a violation agianst nature and even athiests ex) teachers,doctors,etc agree because IF evolution was true the only "Goal" is to reproduce and survive.
I love how you generalize that Christians dont know science and are stupid.Newton was the greatest scientist and was totally Christian.You have some good claims about the movie but i sense hatred.You are labeling all Christians based on some bad ones. That is unfair and shallow. I find you to be obtuse and a bigot.Why do atheist hate belief in God? Believing in God does not hurt anyone. People not God are to blame for any crimes and violence.God is love, thus people who hate do not know God.
I believe he is talking about the fundamentalist christians who believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. Which is a minority of christians, most christians actually accept evolution, its just some fundies do not because they have been brainwashed to deny reality, those are his main target.
Christians as a whole are not any one adjective. Some of the smartest people I know are Christians. That said, fundamentalist lack the capacity for rational thought in matters where science threatens their beliefs and therefore are, for lack of a better word, stupid. Even amoung creationist, some are certainly smarter then others but as a whole they have placed mental blocks, to protect their faith, that limit their intelligence.
Yes, it is good news that the people involved in producing this propaganda probably lost money. Nevertheless, they still succeeded in getting their "documentary" to be the 12th highest grossing documentary of all time, which means a lot of people have seen it (it even has a chance of making top 10). In other words, despite losing money for the makers, it is still functioning effectively as propaganda.
Getting to the top ten in documentaries only means that Expelled will have outgrosesd Tupac: Resurection and Hoop Dreams.
It is conceivable it might surpass Mad Hot Ballroom, Super Size Me and Winged Migration and make it all the way to #7. I very much doubt it will make it to #6 as that would mean grossing 15 million, making a profit and bumping down Madonna: Truth or Dare.
Seeing the impact on society these cinematic gems have had we can safely conclude their propaganda has failed.
You (neotropic9) are a carrier of an awful disease. This disease makes people talk foolishly and gives them a superiority complex. This is no more evident, than when you are talking about religion. Do you really believe that all religious people are uneducated?
Disease is defined as Darwinian Brain Fungus. Although technically and biologically it's more a state of mind than a biological disorder.
"The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."
"I could go ahead and quote the whole book, but people would get pissed and it would take 2 days." That sentence I posted was the next, and last, in the PARAGRAPH, and it changes the dynamic of the statement. In the next paragraph he elaborates, at length, on what transitionals he would expect to find. You don't need to quote the whole book.... just enough to accurately represent the context of the statement.
"but Evolution can hardly remain valid if it is not challenged." Evolution is challenged every day. And you DID misquote Darwin, because the dynamic of the paragraph is totally changed without the last sentence, which you left out. I'm not saying you INTENTIONALLY misrepresented the quote; maybe it was an honest mistake. Just be wary of taking quotes from talking-points style websites, which, I am assuming, is where you got that from.
Darwin was expressing a weakness of his theory in that, at least at the time, there was not the fossil record to back it up. He follows through afterwards with what he would hope to find.
We havent exactly found his dream fossil record, but it is a worthy note that Darwin considered it a problem.
It is not a misrepresentation. It is not a misquote.
"It is not a misrepresentation. It is not a misquote." It IS, and i've now twice explained why it is. And sure, Darwin was aware of, and noted, the challenges facing Evolutionary Theory. BUT it didn't stop with him- science has been chugging right along since then.
I'm saying he was asking a rhetorical question- one which he IMMEDIATELY goes on to answer. The VERY NEXT SENTENCE shows where he is leading, and the next paragraph elaborates.
The quote you put up was a deliberate distortion of that passage. It was intentional deception on either your part or the person from whom you got the quote. Clearly, Darwin was vividly illustrating the objection as a rhetorical device before giving us the solution. Strange that you should leave out the solution. Wait -it isn't strange at all -this is standard fare from creationists who, lacking facts in their favor, must distort the truth.
"The quote you put up was a deliberate distortion... intentional deception on either your part or the person from whom you got the quote."
Which is essentially the same technique that was used ad nauseum in the film. It's a crafty deception that allows one to pretend they are simply reporting facts, while framing them in a way that reinforces their own bogus agenda.
It's disturbing that Christians would be supportive of a film that so flagrantly abuses values they allegedly cherish.
I actually believe in things like journalistic integrity and honest discourse. I think that quote-mining and cheap cutting to pictures of Nazis while talking about science are both examples of horrific and morally bankrupt attempts at deception. I think that straight up lies are detrimental to any rational discussion.
Given all of these, is it really that surprising that I am biased against Expelled?
oh yeah there's animals that eat's bone marrow........bones only last in dry places like in caves or tombs other then that bones turn to dust after a few hundred years....logic would say we should not find hundred's but a few dozens dinosaur bones so therefor they must be fake
Poorly made? I understand you want to pile on, but from what I have heard the documentary fantastically produced.
Why do you lump Christians in your rant? Stein (who is Jewish) I believe is speaking of "divine intervention." There are many creator religions you should mention to be fair or to refer to all of them in general.
Anyways I do not think it's brave to berate someone like Stein. Try shitting on today's mystics, spiritualists who are just as pervasive and see how far you get.
You are one funny fundie, your sweet unintentional irony is so sweeet. Free thinking is crucial to scientific discovery, but free thinking without any any any evidence is useless, just the ramblings of a mad man.
It's called sarcasm. It's just proving my point further. Everyone's "argument" is to call me a name without anything to back it up. Calling someone a name isnt going to change their mind.
I am not making an argument :/ If one truly knows science, they should know that scientific hypothesis needs to have predictive value and be falsifiable. An designer has 0 predictive value. I have no way to use that hypotheses to predict future observations. It can't falsified, because every apparently undesigned element in organism can be explained by saying "That's how it was designed".
So, ID isn't science, and thoose ID supportes who know about science and claim it is are fucktards.
you already made your stupid points with your other 50 videos about this topic. And your voice is just as annoying in this video AS IN THE LAST. bEN sTIEN MADE A DOCO YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, GET OVER IT!!!!!!
good video but please, dude, stop calling evolution darwinism!! there is no such thing as darwinism! it is a term creationists coined to make evolution seem like it is a philosophy or even a religion, like marxism or hinduism. it makes it sound like evolutionists (or "darwinists") worship darwin and he is the last word in evolutionary theory, when clearly evolution is a lot bigger and more complex than in darwin's days.
although "darwinism" wasn't coined by creationists, they have hijacked it for their own agenda.
quoting wikipedia: "The term Darwinism is often used in the USA by promoters of creationism, notably by leading members of the intelligent design movement to describe evolution. In this usage, the term has connotations of atheism.... Casting evolution as a doctrine or belief bolsters religiously motivated political arguments to mandate equal time for the teaching of creationism in public schools.
I think it is appropriate to use the word darwinism. If I understand it right Darwin is the father of the theory of evolution, he is its origin. The theory of evolution is a theory not a fact. If a person believes a theory as fact, that is called faith. When you start talking about faith you step into the realm of religion. Darwin did not have the last word on the theory but his followers have expounded on it. Everything his followers observe, study and experience is to support his theory.
"Can you explain in more detail your comment "Equivocation.
You can't build an argument around logic fallacies." Thanks." You are equivocating the word "theory" with the word "fact" when you say it's "not a fact". A scientific theory explains/unifies a body of facts. It is not, in and of itself, a fact, although it is composed of them. In this case, however, evolution( allele frequency change over time) itself IS one of the facts which the Theory of Evolution is composed of.
If I understand you right limbopete, people exist and that is a fact. People evolved from lower forms of life that is a hypothesis. Enough information (facts) is gathered together that seems to support the hypothesis and now that hypothesis becomes theory. So a theory can not be equated with a fact because it is facts that make up theory. If I understand you right its sort of like equating an engine with a automobile when in reality an engine is a part that makes up the automobile.
Yeah, that's a decent approximation, although technically speaking us evolving from "lower" life forms is the theory,not the hypothesis. The hypothesis is what we test in order to generate the theory. Through chromosome sequencing, for example, it was hypothesized that humans would have a fused chromosome that would correspond with two chimp ones. That was tested, found to be true, and then that fact was incorporated into the rest of evo. theory. The scientific method is a fabulous thing! : )
There are those who don't believe in intelligent design and there are those who are hostile toward intelligent design. Though I may not agree with an evolutionist or a darwinist I will not make comments that degrades them as a group or degrades them as an individual person. Using the term idiots conveys a certain air of arrogances on the one who uses it. Thats unfortunate.
You're such a bigot! I wasn't inclined to think that the belief in a common ancestor would lead to genocide but after listening to you spewing hate I have concluded that Stein might have a point.
in science, a theory is the highest state. technically gravity is still a theory, as nothing can ever be conclusively proven true because you would need to do an infinite number of experiments. i think you are getting theory confused with hypothesis.
What happens when a society teaches their children from kindergarten through college that the theory of evolution is the only intelligent and logical answer to the origin of life? I believe you end up with an indoctrinated people who are bias. They see only through the lenses of evolution. They assume evolution in everything they observe, study and experience. They do this in the name of intelligence and logic. Thus they fulfill the conditioning of their indoctrination.
What happens when you teach everyone that "God did it" is the only explanation, as was done for hundreds upon hundreds of years? The brilliant people figure out how it _actually_ works, and human thought is revolutionized. scientists adopt the new thinking which is obviously correct, and religious hillbillies, since they can't defeat evolution on intellectual grounds, move to propaganda.
You must remember that not all scientist believe in evolution. I personally wouldn't call Sir Isaac Newton a religious hillbilly. I believe that Newton did much for the cause of science and yet believed in a supreme designer. He saw no conflict. Many scientist today believe in God and don't consider the belief a conflict.
no, but there is a very high agreement among scientists so there's not much point saying "not all scientists believe in evolution". the fact that the people who know a lot more than the average person about evolution agree with it just makes the case stronger. as far as i'm concerned, evolution is fact and should be taught as fact. the same way it is fact that the earth is round and gravity explains the planets' orbits.
but it IS the only intelligent theory of the origin of the species. creationism doesn't explain anything, and it has absolutely no evidence behind it. nada. zip. it is not taught simply because there is nothing to teach, other than to say "well kids, if you don't believe any of this 150 years of scientific study by millions of scientists and the masses of evidence which supports it, you could always just believe 'a magic man done it'. you decide."
I see you added this video 3 days before the movie came out, which means you didn't see it. Your comments indicate even more that you don't have a clue what is in the film. It is somewhat comical to see all the types of criticism this movie is getting, because it exposes the hypocricy and flat out scary agendas of the leading evolutionary scientists. I think it's safe to say that 99% of the criticism is simply name calling as is this sad and content-less video.
If intelligent design won the right to be taught, what would they teach? They couldn't simply teach that evolution is wrong. That would be acknowledged by letting I.D. be taught in the first place. So, it's 8:00 A.M Monday morning in Intelligent Design 101 class. What do you teach?
"Time is atheism's magic wand that can turn a frog into a prince." Firstly: no. Secondly: An "intelligent designer" is the religious person's magic wand that can turn dirt into man, who then produces all of us through extreme incest.
nice video neo, it's good you've tried to find something positive about this big sticky dookie. i'll do my best to educate anyone who challenges me personally about natural selection
Actually I think this movie is (or will be, I haven't seen it yet) is a lemon. I should enjoy laughing my a** off at this movie when I go see it. Lemons are actually quite tasty, I enjoy eating them. So, I guess the movie is worse than a lemon but I can't think of any foods I like to laugh at.
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Don't worry, I'm going to pay for a different movie and then I'm going to go into the theater with Expelled playing. The theater gets just as much money so they won't care but Steiney won't get any money for it. That way everyone's happy.
waaaaah...what the hell are you offended for? you're the one that's subscribed to a multitude of fundamentalist idiots and also has a number of atheist subscriptions. i would guess that you'd be open minded if you listen to both sides of the matter. yet you're offended over fundamentalism being bashed. strange.
I'm all for bashing fundies, that's why I'm in a black metal band, however...
I feel that, like it or not, to the untheological society, I am grouped with the fundamentalists because of my beliefs...
So really, when I as a follower of Jesus Christ bash a fundy it's quite different from most Atheists having at it :P
I'm just getting tired of it all I guess... I dont even really watch many of these videos anymore unless they seem like they might have something interesting to say.
it's one thing to be a follower of jesus christ in some philosophical sense...but to be a believer that he is son of god, makes you religious. and whether you're a fundie or a moderate, you're still believing in BS for no particular reason other than not thinking much about it or it was ingrained at such an impressionable stage in ones life. i don't think this video mocks everyone who is religious. it mocks the fundies who disregard science.
especially what i find confusing is you say you're in a black metal band and you say you're a follower of Jesus. one of the distinct traits of black metal is making fun of jesus and christianity, yet you find this video offensive.
The whole point the black metal bands are against Christianity is because the church has their country and their people in chains. Has for years. They want their freedom to choose and be who they want, etc.
I just feel the black metal groups are against the Church, which I am as well.
On youtube, I find I am the one being insulted, because somehow I will get grouped as being a fundy wether I actually am or not. Guilty by association.
Also, I'd like to say I dont see what is so BS about Jesus being the son of God... Unless of course you mean physical flesh and blood like God fucked Mary or something :S
Of course, most people were ingrained with Christianity at a young age. I was baptised, but my family was far from religious. As a teenager, I grew to an Atheist and then to a Christian (which I am almost ashamed to admit just due to what I am associated with because of it).
well now we're to the point on discussing what a christian is, and apparently to every christian, they're different from all the other christians and they call themselves a true christian. to me they're all the same if they want to believe in the same contradictory belief system. it just depends on what piece they want to believe and what they want to throw out. so while the fundies reject reasoning and gloss over the good parts, the moderates gloss over the parts the fundies hold onto.
...and as a moderate, or anti-church establishment type christian, you're picking and choosing, and you're doing the same with black metal. you're picking what you like about it, against the church, but ignoring the fact that black metal is totally opposed to christianity, not just the church.
Not picking and choosing at all. I'm following the religion as I believe it is supposed to be followed. The parts that you would say I'm "disregarding" are not being disregarded but differently interpretted.
As for being totally opposed to Christianity, that's impossible. If you look at it, Christianity actually is offering them a lot of things that they wish to gain from Satanism (freedom, strength, etc).
Please dont respond, I cant waste any more of my life on this comment board :P
no, black metal is built quite a bit around satanism. which is not only against the church, but against all forms of religion. satanism today like extreme atheism (i find satanism to be a bit contradictory and self defeating, but whatever)..either way, the image of satanism is upkept purposely to piss off the religious.
hey neotropic, you should point out that this is one of the only movies that a person who's never seen the movie, can rightfully tell others that it sucks. i really hate it when people try to bash stuff they haven't looked at or into..but there's nothing new on the tbale. well, there's no way there could be so it doesn't have a choice it's screwed no matter what. i just hope people don't assume you're advocating blowing something off just because you don't like it.
There have been plenty of screenings of this film. How do you know? Also Ben Stein is out promoting the film and making wild accusations and claims along the way. He recently called universities places of nonsense. So, yes, it can be criticized. The same thing happened in 1987 when "The last temptation of Christ was released." There were all kinds of protests. Guess what? The movie sucked! But because of people protesting it, others went to see it.
Scientists do not lie, and they welcome corrections. If you see someone lieing, he wasn't a real scientist anyways. It's like the people who play doctor. some will play scientist. Someone has to claim to penis enlarging pills work right? Giving the guy a lab coat doesn't make him a real doctor, and neither does a degree.
Last week a 5th grader pointed out a mistake at the Smithsonian Institute's exhibit on the eras of prehistoric time. The mistake was not discovered since it was put up in the 80's. The Smithsonian corrected it and sent the 5th grade boy a thank you letter.
One of the good things that comes out of it is that it mentions things like the Blasphemy Challenge. So people are going to google that and then discover the atheistic movement. Maybe it will wake up the minds of the smarter ones.
The movie should also be good for a couple laughs. Let's not forget that.
People might also wish to point out that Darwinism is not the same thing as modern evolutionary theory. In fact, the term "Darwinism" doesn't really mean much at all.
Uh, Darwinism isn't a real scientific term. Darwin wasn't a cult leader and his ideas have been greatly expanded upon over time. He had a good idea that the evidence supports. Evolution is best presented with the term Evolutionary Theory, IMHO. When you let the Creationists determine your terminology, they have made a pathetic win (in their own minds, at least).
I always think the funniest thing about creationists using terms like "Darwinist" is that Darwin himself speaks very little about the evolution of the Human Species.
Darwin wrote 'The Descent of Man' which is a whole book on the topic - but I haven't read it so don't know much about what's in it. Google for it and you will immediately get the full text at literature org.
Hey neo, you might be right on finding some good out of this movie. My first step away from superstition was taken by critically reading creationist literature. After looking up their references, I found that they lied, misinterpreted, made conclusions based on over-simplified explanations, etc...
Perhps the only hope we have is that people will come to this movie looking for substance, but finding none, might look to actual science.
CadicusTheDamned, yup the creationists lie all the time, anyone dealing with them finds this out eventually. They lie for the Truth. The amazing thing is that this proves that they don't believe in god!
Yeah, I was being sarcastic, but you are totally right on all levels anyways.
You know, scientists sometimes lie too, but we end up finding them out and making a mockery of them. Creationists think this principle somehow doesn't apply to them...
CadicusTheDamned, thanks. The interesting thing is if a scientist cheats on a small unimportant paper, they take a big risk for almost no gain. If they cheat on a flashy big paper, others try to reproduce it and discover the cheating! So scientists don't cheat usually. Then of course there are fools like Jan Hendrik Schon at Bell Labs ...
I seriously had a creationist tell me that lying was not a sin, that bearing false witness means something else. So in the eyes of God, they're doing the right thing.
He felt that the battle with atheists is such a serious problem that these videos, even though they have no way of knowing what hell is really like, are worth the small lies used to describe it.
At first i was freaked out that this movie was getting attention. But now i see stein is just a retard and has no idea what hes talking about. Coming from he thinks humans came to be from lightning striking a mud puddle. Once i heard that i couldnt stop laughing.
Stop laughing, that is the level of scientific understanding that most people in my area have. This is serious, science needs to be promoted over superstitious bull-shit.
I'm not really worried about the impact of this movie. It isn't meant to persuade anyone. The target audience is not simply unintelligent or uneducated, they are willfully ignorant. This movie is just another attempt to justify unshakable beliefs. It has inspired some damn funny youtube videos though.
By condemning Universities, they are saying to their children... Don't get educated. Very dangerous to our future generations. I said to my fundi brother, that there is no Darwinism and he said, "Yes there is, it's a religion." - At my best attempt... He would not listen to me.
Watch Neotropic's excellent video on why claiming evolution is a religion is not only incorrect but the fact that someone arguing 'it is a religion' is basically trying to make it sound like a bad thing (which, it is) then go on to say that they are religious... it is a very odd argument...
Right, that was the video I was referring to (atheism is not a religion) not evolution, but I guess evolution is automatically linked with atheism so much I get them confused
If it is a poorly made movie, why would you need to even say so? I'll grant that many may not like the movie, and I'll grant that many may not like the idea that Hitler used evolutionary ideology to paint Arians as a favoured race, but that doesn't negate the fact that actual harassment of academics who question the efficacy of evolution took place. That is its point.
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It wouldn't because we are one species and the difference between races is so incredibly small it could never justify racism, it really is insignificant and anyone who says africans are closer to monkeys or anything like that is dead wrong.
bashoitzing 1 year ago
This video is just as ignorant as the documentary.
TheRegulator81 2 years ago
1st of all this movie is not for religious fundamentalist as i do not see any religion being preached in the movie so you are wrong there. the movie itself was not about the methodologies of science but it was about the corruption in the political system. In future if you want to criticize something make sure you understand what you are going to criticize.
wandp7782 2 years ago
every time i see ben steins fuckface i want to break his bird-nose
nekftw 2 years ago
Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?
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TheDarkKnight987 2 years ago
?'s----
1-what existed before the big bang?
2-where did the energy that caused the big bang come from?
anyone have any answers?
joebangleec 2 years ago 2
nope do you?
rnaty1234 2 years ago
No, nobody has the answers. Why? Because a person that believes in the truth, doesn't make shit up, which is what a religious person would do. The fact we don't know how it all began for sure, does not indicate that there is a "god" that designed it. It proves nothing. Then, the fact is that the evidence supports evolution on behalf of biology, since there is no proof of a "god". Therefore, evolution should be thought as the primary theory.
Kuvajokeri 2 years ago
well, is there any answers?
Taylorfcf 2 years ago
Does this mean you entertain the idea of intellegent design and the idea that the right to freedom of speech is dictated and stripped away from people who wish to exercise it? What if little aliens made us? Would that be cool with you? Can we call them gods? Is their a flaw in your genetic structure? I hope you don't procreate. *smiling*
oceantransistor 2 years ago
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where is the fossil record to prove evolution. Why are you so afraid of teaching both ID and evolution are you scared people will be able to make up there own minds.
skaterdmd 3 years ago
Actually, the fossil record shows clear transitions between species. And in science classes in schools, you don't teach about aliens, god, and time traveling biologists.
internetaccount122 3 years ago
go to the natural history museum exhibit in london and u will see the thousands upon thousands of cataloged fossils and preserved specimens from millions of years worth of history.
evolution is routed in all the evidence we can possibly collect from the Earth. ID is routed solely on faith and what cannot be immediatley explained through scientific method.
It is not to with people making up there own minds, its to do with teaching children an incorrect way to understand the world around them.
ihurtpuppies 3 years ago
Noone is "afraid of teaching ID and evolution" it's simply not appropriate to do so; plus there is NOTHING to teach about Intelligent Design. There is a process for information being taught.
"where is the fossil record to prove evolution"
You obviously don't know much about fossils, or genetics. We don't need the fossil record to prove evolution, even though it clearly does. Modern genetics USE evolutionary concepts to make predictions.. that make BILLIONS of dollars. Read and come back.
herbiethebarber 2 years ago
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He doesn't argue evolution much.
He argues and stands up for freedom of speech.
I guess IGNORANT people like you can't stand that.
JimmyChiffels 3 years ago
You do realize that peer review is for making good articles in scientific publications, not making other views heard.
internetaccount122 3 years ago
you are a very reasonable polite man
EngineeringMath 3 years ago
No evidence? He shows a bunch of cases of the discrimination? Thats not evidence?
And thats always a retarded argument that people like you say "They will acctually care about science and the scientific method" Thats just retarded. Many religious people are scientists. Einstein believed there was a god. Isaac Newton said that he was just "explaining gods handiwork. And many more. So once again to say that religious people don't think about science, is a retarded claim.
girzwald3 3 years ago
hahah he only got 37% on rotten Tomatoes.
ghazzter 3 years ago
i was just wondering doesn't evolution justify racism because now people could say that certain races of man have evoloved farther than other races of man so some could be supeior to others because there group has evolved farther
heymatt90 3 years ago
No, evolution doesn't justify racism or any other normative judgment for that matter. Evolution, true or false, is just a fact about the physical world. It is not a way of life, personal philosophy, or a statement of moral sentiment. It is just a theory about something that has happened in our planet's history. It doesn't have any bearing on what should or shouldn't be done, or how we should act, think, or behave. For answers to these questions you must look outside of science.
neotropic9 3 years ago
Thats not what Hitler thought.
girzwald3 3 years ago
You sir are an idiot. Ignorant? don't speak of it because you just gave me the best example.
Anyways your video was lame. Calling it deceitful is also ignorant. Have you done research?
Homosexuality is not just a sin against religion its a violation agianst nature and even athiests ex) teachers,doctors,etc agree because IF evolution was true the only "Goal" is to reproduce and survive.
JimmyChiffels 3 years ago
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@neotropic9 I Actully like this movie and i don't give a fuck what you think.
christianscott123 11 months ago
@heymatt90 nothing justifies racism.
popomczowzow 1 year ago
Is truth that which has not been contorted by the mind of man.
alleyghost 3 years ago
the film look s so bad, from the clips, Ben Stein, for his own pride should claim he was a secret atheist and call it a mockumentary.
mattfox06 3 years ago
I love how you generalize that Christians dont know science and are stupid.Newton was the greatest scientist and was totally Christian.You have some good claims about the movie but i sense hatred.You are labeling all Christians based on some bad ones. That is unfair and shallow. I find you to be obtuse and a bigot.Why do atheist hate belief in God? Believing in God does not hurt anyone. People not God are to blame for any crimes and violence.God is love, thus people who hate do not know God.
1500hothotz 3 years ago
I believe he is talking about the fundamentalist christians who believe in a literal interpretation of the bible. Which is a minority of christians, most christians actually accept evolution, its just some fundies do not because they have been brainwashed to deny reality, those are his main target.
crimsonfist3 3 years ago
christians who accept evolution are just scared to take the leap into atheism because they don't get their cuddly, loving god figure to protect them
mattfox06 3 years ago
he was 'totally christian' because that was the best answer at the time for most scientific problems...except the things he was studying, of course.
mattfox06 3 years ago
Ditto to crinsonfist.
Christians as a whole are not any one adjective. Some of the smartest people I know are Christians. That said, fundamentalist lack the capacity for rational thought in matters where science threatens their beliefs and therefore are, for lack of a better word, stupid. Even amoung creationist, some are certainly smarter then others but as a whole they have placed mental blocks, to protect their faith, that limit their intelligence.
Hopeful71 3 years ago
or junkumentary, thanks for posting
3377WSB 3 years ago
Good point.
Lojikbom 3 years ago
What's good about "Expelled" is that it is currently making an average of $97.00 per screen on a grand total of 420 screens.
That means only about 12-15 people a day are currently watching it at each theater.
Looks like the 10 million dollar advertising campaign was money poured down the commode.
Not very good performance after only a month.
massivereader 3 years ago
Yes, it is good news that the people involved in producing this propaganda probably lost money. Nevertheless, they still succeeded in getting their "documentary" to be the 12th highest grossing documentary of all time, which means a lot of people have seen it (it even has a chance of making top 10). In other words, despite losing money for the makers, it is still functioning effectively as propaganda.
neotropic9 3 years ago
Getting to the top ten in documentaries only means that Expelled will have outgrosesd Tupac: Resurection and Hoop Dreams.
It is conceivable it might surpass Mad Hot Ballroom, Super Size Me and Winged Migration and make it all the way to #7. I very much doubt it will make it to #6 as that would mean grossing 15 million, making a profit and bumping down Madonna: Truth or Dare.
Seeing the impact on society these cinematic gems have had we can safely conclude their propaganda has failed.
massivereader 3 years ago
You (neotropic9) are a carrier of an awful disease. This disease makes people talk foolishly and gives them a superiority complex. This is no more evident, than when you are talking about religion. Do you really believe that all religious people are uneducated?
Disease is defined as Darwinian Brain Fungus. Although technically and biologically it's more a state of mind than a biological disorder.
aladon1965 3 years ago
Why don't you just start screaming devil and witch and run around like the hysterical little fundie you are?
crimsonfist3 3 years ago
You're the fundie.
aladon1965 3 years ago
oh damn that lemonade looks delicious
amazingsquibbon 3 years ago
"The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory."
Charles Darwin - The Origin of Species
bodiezoffa 3 years ago
"The explanation lies, as I believe, in the extreme imperfection of the geological record." You left that part out.
limbopete 3 years ago
I could go ahead and quote the whole book, but people would get pissed and it would take 2 days.
bodiezoffa 3 years ago
"I could go ahead and quote the whole book, but people would get pissed and it would take 2 days." That sentence I posted was the next, and last, in the PARAGRAPH, and it changes the dynamic of the statement. In the next paragraph he elaborates, at length, on what transitionals he would expect to find. You don't need to quote the whole book.... just enough to accurately represent the context of the statement.
limbopete 3 years ago
why misquote it to promote your magic man agenda?
intelligent design: anything we dont understand was made by the invisible magic man
liber8me 3 years ago
I didn't misquote Darwin, look it up. I don't believe in magic men or promote ID.
In fact I largely believe in evolution, but Evolution can hardly remain valid if it is not challenged.
Here, Darwin himself acknowledges challenges.
bodiezoffa 3 years ago
"but Evolution can hardly remain valid if it is not challenged." Evolution is challenged every day. And you DID misquote Darwin, because the dynamic of the paragraph is totally changed without the last sentence, which you left out. I'm not saying you INTENTIONALLY misrepresented the quote; maybe it was an honest mistake. Just be wary of taking quotes from talking-points style websites, which, I am assuming, is where you got that from.
limbopete 3 years ago
Darwin was expressing a weakness of his theory in that, at least at the time, there was not the fossil record to back it up. He follows through afterwards with what he would hope to find.
We havent exactly found his dream fossil record, but it is a worthy note that Darwin considered it a problem.
It is not a misrepresentation. It is not a misquote.
bodiezoffa 3 years ago
"It is not a misrepresentation. It is not a misquote." It IS, and i've now twice explained why it is. And sure, Darwin was aware of, and noted, the challenges facing Evolutionary Theory. BUT it didn't stop with him- science has been chugging right along since then.
limbopete 3 years ago
You havent explained anything except to yourself.
You are not doing an especially good job at that either.
bodiezoffa 3 years ago
The quote misrepresents what he was saying because it is incomplete.
Is that good enough for you?
limbopete 3 years ago
So he didnt mean what he wrote?
Is that what you're saying?
bodiezoffa 3 years ago
I'm saying he was asking a rhetorical question- one which he IMMEDIATELY goes on to answer. The VERY NEXT SENTENCE shows where he is leading, and the next paragraph elaborates.
limbopete 3 years ago
"I didn't misquote Darwin, look it up. "
The quote you put up was a deliberate distortion of that passage. It was intentional deception on either your part or the person from whom you got the quote. Clearly, Darwin was vividly illustrating the objection as a rhetorical device before giving us the solution. Strange that you should leave out the solution. Wait -it isn't strange at all -this is standard fare from creationists who, lacking facts in their favor, must distort the truth.
neotropic9 3 years ago
"The quote you put up was a deliberate distortion... intentional deception on either your part or the person from whom you got the quote."
Which is essentially the same technique that was used ad nauseum in the film. It's a crafty deception that allows one to pretend they are simply reporting facts, while framing them in a way that reinforces their own bogus agenda.
It's disturbing that Christians would be supportive of a film that so flagrantly abuses values they allegedly cherish.
methinxaweezil 3 years ago
Your just another blind goof not willing to face reality.Wake up.
Dougcomet 3 years ago
You got 5 stars the moment you called it a "Crockumentary"
ride4ruin 3 years ago 2
Agreed
jebus6kryst 3 years ago 3
your not biased....
WPOwens 3 years ago
I openly admit that I am biased against Expelled.
I actually believe in things like journalistic integrity and honest discourse. I think that quote-mining and cheap cutting to pictures of Nazis while talking about science are both examples of horrific and morally bankrupt attempts at deception. I think that straight up lies are detrimental to any rational discussion.
Given all of these, is it really that surprising that I am biased against Expelled?
ride4ruin 3 years ago 3
I would have preferred "crunkumentary," but you can't win 'em all.
Ethoxyethane 3 years ago
oh yeah there's animals that eat's bone marrow........bones only last in dry places like in caves or tombs other then that bones turn to dust after a few hundred years....logic would say we should not find hundred's but a few dozens dinosaur bones so therefor they must be fake
bobcatkline 3 years ago
What about cosmic evolution?
Google cosmic evolution, there is a very good site at Tufts university dealing with this subject.
overthehilltowin 3 years ago
Poorly made? I understand you want to pile on, but from what I have heard the documentary fantastically produced.
Why do you lump Christians in your rant? Stein (who is Jewish) I believe is speaking of "divine intervention." There are many creator religions you should mention to be fair or to refer to all of them in general.
Anyways I do not think it's brave to berate someone like Stein. Try shitting on today's mystics, spiritualists who are just as pervasive and see how far you get.
wtfanman60 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
You really didn't get the movie did you?
You are a SHEEP! Like most who buy into Devilution! (sorry I had to! - lol)Free thinking is crucial to scientific discovery.
We were created somehow.. No path to the truth should be unexplored because of politics and fear.
Bigleedog7 3 years ago
You are one funny fundie, your sweet unintentional irony is so sweeet. Free thinking is crucial to scientific discovery, but free thinking without any any any evidence is useless, just the ramblings of a mad man.
JHAllen123 3 years ago
Saying that all people who believe in intelligent design are stupid and dont know anything about science is completely ignorant and just plain false.
halomc101 3 years ago
Thoose who do know about science and still push ID, are fucktards. Plain and simple. They know ID isn't science, yet they claim it anyway.
Portiadude 3 years ago
Wow, calling us names. That is one hell of an argument. Im a changed woman.
halomc101 3 years ago
Wauh, I didn't know I even made an argument :O Here I tought I just decribed what kind of persons you are.
Portiadude 3 years ago
It's called sarcasm. It's just proving my point further. Everyone's "argument" is to call me a name without anything to back it up. Calling someone a name isnt going to change their mind.
halomc101 3 years ago
I am not making an argument :/ If one truly knows science, they should know that scientific hypothesis needs to have predictive value and be falsifiable. An designer has 0 predictive value. I have no way to use that hypotheses to predict future observations. It can't falsified, because every apparently undesigned element in organism can be explained by saying "That's how it was designed".
So, ID isn't science, and thoose ID supportes who know about science and claim it is are fucktards.
Portiadude 3 years ago 4
ahahhaha..
homosexuality is a sin! CHRIST CAN SET YOU FREE<<< im with stupid
Gelandri 3 years ago
you already made your stupid points with your other 50 videos about this topic. And your voice is just as annoying in this video AS IN THE LAST. bEN sTIEN MADE A DOCO YOU DON'T AGREE WITH, GET OVER IT!!!!!!
lissa2570 3 years ago
good video but please, dude, stop calling evolution darwinism!! there is no such thing as darwinism! it is a term creationists coined to make evolution seem like it is a philosophy or even a religion, like marxism or hinduism. it makes it sound like evolutionists (or "darwinists") worship darwin and he is the last word in evolutionary theory, when clearly evolution is a lot bigger and more complex than in darwin's days.
IgWannA2 3 years ago
You're right about that. It would be best to avoid using the terms made up by creationists.
neotropic9 3 years ago
although "darwinism" wasn't coined by creationists, they have hijacked it for their own agenda.
quoting wikipedia: "The term Darwinism is often used in the USA by promoters of creationism, notably by leading members of the intelligent design movement to describe evolution. In this usage, the term has connotations of atheism.... Casting evolution as a doctrine or belief bolsters religiously motivated political arguments to mandate equal time for the teaching of creationism in public schools.
IgWannA2 3 years ago
I think it is appropriate to use the word darwinism. If I understand it right Darwin is the father of the theory of evolution, he is its origin. The theory of evolution is a theory not a fact. If a person believes a theory as fact, that is called faith. When you start talking about faith you step into the realm of religion. Darwin did not have the last word on the theory but his followers have expounded on it. Everything his followers observe, study and experience is to support his theory.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
"The theory of evolution is a theory not a fact" Equivocation. You can't build an argument around logic fallacies.
limbopete 3 years ago
Can you explain in more detail your comment "Equivocation.
You can't build an argument around logic fallacies." Thanks.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
"Can you explain in more detail your comment "Equivocation.
You can't build an argument around logic fallacies." Thanks." You are equivocating the word "theory" with the word "fact" when you say it's "not a fact". A scientific theory explains/unifies a body of facts. It is not, in and of itself, a fact, although it is composed of them. In this case, however, evolution( allele frequency change over time) itself IS one of the facts which the Theory of Evolution is composed of.
limbopete 3 years ago
If I understand you right limbopete, people exist and that is a fact. People evolved from lower forms of life that is a hypothesis. Enough information (facts) is gathered together that seems to support the hypothesis and now that hypothesis becomes theory. So a theory can not be equated with a fact because it is facts that make up theory. If I understand you right its sort of like equating an engine with a automobile when in reality an engine is a part that makes up the automobile.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
Yeah, that's a decent approximation, although technically speaking us evolving from "lower" life forms is the theory,not the hypothesis. The hypothesis is what we test in order to generate the theory. Through chromosome sequencing, for example, it was hypothesized that humans would have a fused chromosome that would correspond with two chimp ones. That was tested, found to be true, and then that fact was incorporated into the rest of evo. theory. The scientific method is a fabulous thing! : )
limbopete 3 years ago 2
"If a person believes a theory as fact, that is called faith."
Please look up "scientific theory". It would be in your interests, since you are making creationists look like idiots.
neotropic9 3 years ago
There are those who don't believe in intelligent design and there are those who are hostile toward intelligent design. Though I may not agree with an evolutionist or a darwinist I will not make comments that degrades them as a group or degrades them as an individual person. Using the term idiots conveys a certain air of arrogances on the one who uses it. Thats unfortunate.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
neotropic9,
You're such a bigot! I wasn't inclined to think that the belief in a common ancestor would lead to genocide but after listening to you spewing hate I have concluded that Stein might have a point.
germana00 3 years ago
Calm down, germana00, people are going to think you're stupid.
hippocampuszosterae 3 years ago
in science, a theory is the highest state. technically gravity is still a theory, as nothing can ever be conclusively proven true because you would need to do an infinite number of experiments. i think you are getting theory confused with hypothesis.
IgWannA2 3 years ago
Thank you IgnWannA2 for the info. I will look up the difference between theory and hypothesis.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
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IgWannA2 3 years ago
What happens when a society teaches their children from kindergarten through college that the theory of evolution is the only intelligent and logical answer to the origin of life? I believe you end up with an indoctrinated people who are bias. They see only through the lenses of evolution. They assume evolution in everything they observe, study and experience. They do this in the name of intelligence and logic. Thus they fulfill the conditioning of their indoctrination.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
What happens when you teach everyone that "God did it" is the only explanation, as was done for hundreds upon hundreds of years? The brilliant people figure out how it _actually_ works, and human thought is revolutionized. scientists adopt the new thinking which is obviously correct, and religious hillbillies, since they can't defeat evolution on intellectual grounds, move to propaganda.
neotropic9 3 years ago
You must remember that not all scientist believe in evolution. I personally wouldn't call Sir Isaac Newton a religious hillbilly. I believe that Newton did much for the cause of science and yet believed in a supreme designer. He saw no conflict. Many scientist today believe in God and don't consider the belief a conflict.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
actually 95% of scientists believe in evolution.
IgWannA2 3 years ago
The question must be, does majority determine truth?
Wantabeee 3 years ago
no, but there is a very high agreement among scientists so there's not much point saying "not all scientists believe in evolution". the fact that the people who know a lot more than the average person about evolution agree with it just makes the case stronger. as far as i'm concerned, evolution is fact and should be taught as fact. the same way it is fact that the earth is round and gravity explains the planets' orbits.
IgWannA2 3 years ago
but it IS the only intelligent theory of the origin of the species. creationism doesn't explain anything, and it has absolutely no evidence behind it. nada. zip. it is not taught simply because there is nothing to teach, other than to say "well kids, if you don't believe any of this 150 years of scientific study by millions of scientists and the masses of evidence which supports it, you could always just believe 'a magic man done it'. you decide."
IgWannA2 3 years ago
I hope so too.
celsius233 3 years ago
great video. keep up the awesome effort.
clubmondobizarre 3 years ago
Testing to see if youtube is not posting my comments.
Wantabeee 3 years ago
I see you added this video 3 days before the movie came out, which means you didn't see it. Your comments indicate even more that you don't have a clue what is in the film. It is somewhat comical to see all the types of criticism this movie is getting, because it exposes the hypocricy and flat out scary agendas of the leading evolutionary scientists. I think it's safe to say that 99% of the criticism is simply name calling as is this sad and content-less video.
wiredaces80 3 years ago
watch?v=NiNGK3y5Ypg
SuperiorMind 3 years ago
If intelligent design won the right to be taught, what would they teach? They couldn't simply teach that evolution is wrong. That would be acknowledged by letting I.D. be taught in the first place. So, it's 8:00 A.M Monday morning in Intelligent Design 101 class. What do you teach?
niltomega 3 years ago
Good question. Don't be surprised if you don't get an answer.
neotropic9 3 years ago
I thought YT didn't allow 'shit' on videos. They deleted my steaming pile of doo-dah on the Koran video.
andysterdam 3 years ago
E.X.P.E.L.L.E.D. = "Evolutionists 'Xerox' Politburo Edicts, Likening Leninists Expelling Dissidents"
Remember the former Soviet Union?
S.I.B.E.R.I.A. = "Soviet Institutions Banished (Expelled) Religious Ideas Academically"
Welcome the the Secular Inquisition.
A.T.H.E.I.S.T.S. = "Abracadabra! 'Top Hat's(Evolution) Illusion Still Tricks Some"
Evolution, as atheists deem it, is magical -like a top hat used in illusions. Time is atheism's magic wand that can turn a frog into a prince.
Acronym77 3 years ago
"Time is atheism's magic wand that can turn a frog into a prince." Firstly: no. Secondly: An "intelligent designer" is the religious person's magic wand that can turn dirt into man, who then produces all of us through extreme incest.
limbopete 3 years ago 2
No Magic Wand needed when you believe in Jesus Christ. Just the Truth, that's all.
singinrick 3 years ago
"Just the Truth, that's all." Define "truth".
limbopete 3 years ago
l.i.m.b.o.p.e.t.e.= "living in make-believe origins, pagans evade truth eventually"
Acronym77 3 years ago
A.c.r.o.n.y.m. = A Creationist Retard On Narcotics Yields Mediocrity.
limbopete 3 years ago
And religion isn't? People will believe anything if you tell them they'll suffer for eternity if they don't.
MlsterFreeman 3 years ago
Beats a stick turning into a snake
hahahaha
dehdehsac323 3 years ago
nice video neo, it's good you've tried to find something positive about this big sticky dookie. i'll do my best to educate anyone who challenges me personally about natural selection
AndromedasWake 3 years ago
Mockumentary?
InReasonWeTrust 3 years ago
Actually I think this movie is (or will be, I haven't seen it yet) is a lemon. I should enjoy laughing my a** off at this movie when I go see it. Lemons are actually quite tasty, I enjoy eating them. So, I guess the movie is worse than a lemon but I can't think of any foods I like to laugh at.
CentabyteZero 3 years ago
Don't put money in their hands. Don't pay to see it. Borrow a copy when it comes out on tape.
AtheistCitizen 3 years ago
no, download it if you must.
torrent sites are bountiful. just get utorrent or azureus for a torrent handler, use torrentpond (dotcom) for a convenient to use collection of torrent searches, and definitely use peer guardian and update regularly to stop anti-p2p groups from recording ip.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
Don't worry, I'm going to pay for a different movie and then I'm going to go into the theater with Expelled playing. The theater gets just as much money so they won't care but Steiney won't get any money for it. That way everyone's happy.
CentabyteZero 3 years ago 2
Good to see one of your videos again
KasparHauser4 3 years ago 2
Good to see one of your videos again
KasparHauser4 3 years ago
I'm kind of offended by some of the things you've said about "religious fundementalists".
I'd agree, of course, if I didnt think that our opinions of religious fundementalism probably differ quite drastically :P
Unsubscribed.
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
waaaaah...what the hell are you offended for? you're the one that's subscribed to a multitude of fundamentalist idiots and also has a number of atheist subscriptions. i would guess that you'd be open minded if you listen to both sides of the matter. yet you're offended over fundamentalism being bashed. strange.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
I'm all for bashing fundies, that's why I'm in a black metal band, however...
I feel that, like it or not, to the untheological society, I am grouped with the fundamentalists because of my beliefs...
So really, when I as a follower of Jesus Christ bash a fundy it's quite different from most Atheists having at it :P
I'm just getting tired of it all I guess... I dont even really watch many of these videos anymore unless they seem like they might have something interesting to say.
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
i still don't understand why this offends you.
it's one thing to be a follower of jesus christ in some philosophical sense...but to be a believer that he is son of god, makes you religious. and whether you're a fundie or a moderate, you're still believing in BS for no particular reason other than not thinking much about it or it was ingrained at such an impressionable stage in ones life. i don't think this video mocks everyone who is religious. it mocks the fundies who disregard science.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
especially what i find confusing is you say you're in a black metal band and you say you're a follower of Jesus. one of the distinct traits of black metal is making fun of jesus and christianity, yet you find this video offensive.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
The whole point the black metal bands are against Christianity is because the church has their country and their people in chains. Has for years. They want their freedom to choose and be who they want, etc.
I just feel the black metal groups are against the Church, which I am as well.
On youtube, I find I am the one being insulted, because somehow I will get grouped as being a fundy wether I actually am or not. Guilty by association.
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
Also, I'd like to say I dont see what is so BS about Jesus being the son of God... Unless of course you mean physical flesh and blood like God fucked Mary or something :S
Of course, most people were ingrained with Christianity at a young age. I was baptised, but my family was far from religious. As a teenager, I grew to an Atheist and then to a Christian (which I am almost ashamed to admit just due to what I am associated with because of it).
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
well now we're to the point on discussing what a christian is, and apparently to every christian, they're different from all the other christians and they call themselves a true christian. to me they're all the same if they want to believe in the same contradictory belief system. it just depends on what piece they want to believe and what they want to throw out. so while the fundies reject reasoning and gloss over the good parts, the moderates gloss over the parts the fundies hold onto.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
...and as a moderate, or anti-church establishment type christian, you're picking and choosing, and you're doing the same with black metal. you're picking what you like about it, against the church, but ignoring the fact that black metal is totally opposed to christianity, not just the church.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
Not picking and choosing at all. I'm following the religion as I believe it is supposed to be followed. The parts that you would say I'm "disregarding" are not being disregarded but differently interpretted.
As for being totally opposed to Christianity, that's impossible. If you look at it, Christianity actually is offering them a lot of things that they wish to gain from Satanism (freedom, strength, etc).
Please dont respond, I cant waste any more of my life on this comment board :P
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
no, black metal is built quite a bit around satanism. which is not only against the church, but against all forms of religion. satanism today like extreme atheism (i find satanism to be a bit contradictory and self defeating, but whatever)..either way, the image of satanism is upkept purposely to piss off the religious.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
hey neotropic, you should point out that this is one of the only movies that a person who's never seen the movie, can rightfully tell others that it sucks. i really hate it when people try to bash stuff they haven't looked at or into..but there's nothing new on the tbale. well, there's no way there could be so it doesn't have a choice it's screwed no matter what. i just hope people don't assume you're advocating blowing something off just because you don't like it.
Thrashaero 3 years ago
There have been plenty of screenings of this film. How do you know? Also Ben Stein is out promoting the film and making wild accusations and claims along the way. He recently called universities places of nonsense. So, yes, it can be criticized. The same thing happened in 1987 when "The last temptation of Christ was released." There were all kinds of protests. Guess what? The movie sucked! But because of people protesting it, others went to see it.
busymartian 3 years ago
Scientists do not lie, and they welcome corrections. If you see someone lieing, he wasn't a real scientist anyways. It's like the people who play doctor. some will play scientist. Someone has to claim to penis enlarging pills work right? Giving the guy a lab coat doesn't make him a real doctor, and neither does a degree.
BernierCR42 3 years ago
Last week a 5th grader pointed out a mistake at the Smithsonian Institute's exhibit on the eras of prehistoric time. The mistake was not discovered since it was put up in the 80's. The Smithsonian corrected it and sent the 5th grade boy a thank you letter.
busymartian 3 years ago
A crockumentary about a manufactroversy.
DaveGrossmanSoloBass 3 years ago
One of the good things that comes out of it is that it mentions things like the Blasphemy Challenge. So people are going to google that and then discover the atheistic movement. Maybe it will wake up the minds of the smarter ones.
farvision 3 years ago
Good video.
The movie should also be good for a couple laughs. Let's not forget that.
People might also wish to point out that Darwinism is not the same thing as modern evolutionary theory. In fact, the term "Darwinism" doesn't really mean much at all.
D4Shawn 3 years ago
Thanks for the video.
Adamtrr 3 years ago
Uh, Darwinism isn't a real scientific term. Darwin wasn't a cult leader and his ideas have been greatly expanded upon over time. He had a good idea that the evidence supports. Evolution is best presented with the term Evolutionary Theory, IMHO. When you let the Creationists determine your terminology, they have made a pathetic win (in their own minds, at least).
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
I always think the funniest thing about creationists using terms like "Darwinist" is that Darwin himself speaks very little about the evolution of the Human Species.
PathofReason 3 years ago
Darwin wrote 'The Descent of Man' which is a whole book on the topic - but I haven't read it so don't know much about what's in it. Google for it and you will immediately get the full text at literature org.
farvision 3 years ago
good vid!
Clemburke1111 3 years ago 2
Very good. Excellent attitude. And excellent suggestion: to kindly and patiently (in contrast to Stein's pathetic approach) explain the fallacies.
zebruh 3 years ago
The creationists pushing I.D. will love
Ben Stein`s "crockumentary" as you
so well put it.
maurieer 3 years ago
as soon as expelled is out on youtube or some other site I will make a refutation of it.
Knowntje 3 years ago
Hey neo, you might be right on finding some good out of this movie. My first step away from superstition was taken by critically reading creationist literature. After looking up their references, I found that they lied, misinterpreted, made conclusions based on over-simplified explanations, etc...
Perhps the only hope we have is that people will come to this movie looking for substance, but finding none, might look to actual science.
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
Creationist lie to suit their agenda? C'mon, that would be a sin, wouldn't it?
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
CadicusTheDamned, yup the creationists lie all the time, anyone dealing with them finds this out eventually. They lie for the Truth. The amazing thing is that this proves that they don't believe in god!
farvision 3 years ago
Yeah, I was being sarcastic, but you are totally right on all levels anyways.
You know, scientists sometimes lie too, but we end up finding them out and making a mockery of them. Creationists think this principle somehow doesn't apply to them...
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
CadicusTheDamned, thanks. The interesting thing is if a scientist cheats on a small unimportant paper, they take a big risk for almost no gain. If they cheat on a flashy big paper, others try to reproduce it and discover the cheating! So scientists don't cheat usually. Then of course there are fools like Jan Hendrik Schon at Bell Labs ...
farvision 3 years ago
Yeah, lying in science doesn't pay in the long run. There are too may people ready jumping at the bit to make you look like an ass...
CadicusTheDamned 3 years ago
I seriously had a creationist tell me that lying was not a sin, that bearing false witness means something else. So in the eyes of God, they're doing the right thing.
busymartian 3 years ago 2
busymartian:
I`ve been told the same thing by a catholic
when we discussed their scare videos on YT.
He felt that the battle with atheists is such a serious problem that these videos, even though they have no way of knowing what hell is really like, are worth the small lies used to describe it.
maurieer 3 years ago
LOL that's terrible.
Satantransvertdeath 3 years ago
At first i was freaked out that this movie was getting attention. But now i see stein is just a retard and has no idea what hes talking about. Coming from he thinks humans came to be from lightning striking a mud puddle. Once i heard that i couldnt stop laughing.
zbambam5 3 years ago
Stop laughing, that is the level of scientific understanding that most people in my area have. This is serious, science needs to be promoted over superstitious bull-shit.
jonthebaptist666 3 years ago
Stem cell research was a casualty of the same thinking.
busymartian 3 years ago
I'm not really worried about the impact of this movie. It isn't meant to persuade anyone. The target audience is not simply unintelligent or uneducated, they are willfully ignorant. This movie is just another attempt to justify unshakable beliefs. It has inspired some damn funny youtube videos though.
spawnfan101 3 years ago
You should publish the script for this video. I could certainly use some of the texts.
XGralgrathor 3 years ago
the only good thing will be a good laugh
nailo1 3 years ago
Crockumentary!!!
HaHA!!!
I've been using "mockumentary" but I think I like yours better.
limbopete 3 years ago 4
Indeed, cool word!
kirafan68 3 years ago
good show!
kwkcardinal 3 years ago
I hope that you're right too.
worldlystone 3 years ago
I second that.
A4AgnstcFndmntlst 3 years ago
By condemning Universities, they are saying to their children... Don't get educated. Very dangerous to our future generations. I said to my fundi brother, that there is no Darwinism and he said, "Yes there is, it's a religion." - At my best attempt... He would not listen to me.
truvelocity 3 years ago
Watch Neotropic's excellent video on why claiming evolution is a religion is not only incorrect but the fact that someone arguing 'it is a religion' is basically trying to make it sound like a bad thing (which, it is) then go on to say that they are religious... it is a very odd argument...
Chibling 3 years ago 2
It's exactly the same with 'atheists have faith too', and all sorts of arguments like that.
Clutchology 3 years ago
Right, that was the video I was referring to (atheism is not a religion) not evolution, but I guess evolution is automatically linked with atheism so much I get them confused
Chibling 3 years ago