-__- my boy friend is using this as motivation for his Zombie vs Human war smh...he's a human and every one else is a zombie smh...I wish him luck lol
300 is a piece of hollywood-made bullshit compared with the real past, honorful soldiers and a simple and plain life. it should be forbidden as its a serious attempt to pollute the spartan heritage. and thats not right.
And this is an example of how phalanxes do NOT work!
You don't run into the enemies shields, because they have spears that would kill the first row that is charging in. And nobody would want to be in that first row.
Spartans were heavily armored this is they believed in the one with the stronger army wins and they spent most findings into making weapons and armor not diplomatic stuff or schools or other crap we have today
@666Doncha No the phalanx was not the best formation of all time! The Roman legions were the best formation of all time! The phalanx was only good at the front, and very weak at the sides or rear! The roman legion however had no weak points and was also alot more flexible! That's why the roman legion won against the phalanx at the battle of cynoscephalae!
phalanx is the best formation of all time..so i have a question..if u would persian..what u ll be do there..how u ll be kill that hoplites....stupid persians..going to death..just run on the spears..
The battle between the Spartans is actually impossible if you think about it. The Spartans push through wave after wave after wave of Persians, how did they get over the dead bodies? Unless they were giants, trying to get over the dead bodies would prove damn near impossible, even if they some how were able to get over the dead bodies they would be already wounded by a shot from an arrow because they would literally have to hike over the bodies, it would be like getting over a small mountain.
@009jorge1 i think they held their position and waited for the persians to go to them... becuase if they stayed in the phanlanx they couldnt get hurt and even if they moved the persians were overwhelmed so yeah
@009jorge1 Don't mix the real battle with the one of the movie, totaly different. The spartans had build like a trench or something to slow down the ennemies and make then easy target, so in my opinion, more bodies means better defence for them.
Yes, until you have to rush into badass combat with an elite enemy, then you break up, open your shields wide for the enemy to thrust your spear, and break up into individuals.
What a load of horse shit, He talks about fighting in Phalanx then spends the rest of the movie fighting with his fellow "Spartans" like undisciplined barbarian horde. The speech like the moive a complete waste of time, why have this scene when the movie is really all about posing and misconstruing the truth of the battle of Thermopylae!
@horatio50000 Well, the Spartans fought for three days. Two of these days were in the phalanx (though this isn't portrayed in the movie because if they were just pushing and occasionally stabbing for 2 hours it wouldn't be very entertaining). However, on the last day their phalanx shattered due to the attack from the rear (no pun intended) and they all just went out in the blaze of glory killing as many people as possible so that they could hold the persians off.
Thats why the place of the battle was important. It funneled the enemy into a small area, making his number useless and the killing power of the Phalanx absolute.
You're right greek hoplite fellow. The stength of the Spartan phalanx--or the Atheians, or the Corinthians, or the Thebans (damn them), or the Greeks commanded by Alexanders General Seleucus--Was not because they went to a fancy gym. They were fucking tough guys. Not guys that asked for anything. They were selfless. And I didn't mention Alexander because he wasn't just a man--I am not a man of God. But I know a God when (at least) I learn of him.
Yeap,greeks fucked the whole world then,when all of your nations were on the trees..like monkeys.It s hillarious how americans trying to asperse the greek history,in order to convince theirself that USA is the most powerful nation in history.If u dont have the ΙΧΩΡ inside your blood..ull never be Greek.
BTW the definition of "ΦΑΛΑΓΓΑ" made by Alexander the Great and Macedonians a few decades later ,not by Spartans
And that's quite hilarious! At the start he says 'a single weak spot and the phalanx shatters' then later on when they're fighting he breaks rank to stab an enemy, leaving the man on his left vulnerable to anything ..thus making..a weak spot!
Yeah that is very inaccurate, that isn't how a phalanx works. A phalanx works by interlocking shields, and making a 3 or more leveled wall of spears...the enemy would hardly be able to get to the shields, and by then, the rows behind could thread spears/swords through.
But then again, this film is based on the graphic novel of the same name NOT the actual battle of Thermopylae..so who gives a damn if it's inaccurate, it's a film based on a comic!
Don't know if you noticed, but this is a MOVIE. It doesn't have to be completely accurate. So long as its full of action and makes people want to watch it. Would you want a ninja movie to be 3 hours of a dude waiting in a tree for an opportunity to strike? No? Then loosen up.
@AlexOfMacedonAOMH its not ment to be historically accurate,its based on the comic book version of the story if you want historical accuracy watch the original 300 spartans from 1962
a phalanx was developed by the romans actually as a mobile, impenetrable unit, this isnt a phalanx, it's just tightly knit rows of men, only romans analyzed spartan tactics, found a weakness, then created the phalanx which dominated amry on army battles
the phalanx was actually a lot denser than depicted here, your shield was up against the back of the mean in front of you (to keep him from running, or being pushed back ;) )
And indeed there was 3 spears past the first guy because of that (and long spears)
in social studies class we got to go outside to do a phalanx with paper helmets and shields and pool noodles :). it was so fun i just dropped my noodle and trucked people over lol
this gets me thinking yo. i read from the history book that the spartans were defeated in this battle because the persians figured out that attacking head on was stupid so they overpowered them by attacking in all directions
im beginning to think i need to reread that chapter because the comments o here sugests that the spartans survived either by total victory or by either side feeing from battle XD question mark
well actually the persians would've had to keep attacking head on if the traitor didn't tell them about the mountain pass and the persians couldnt attack from the sea since their navy was held up by Athenian ships
the history books in class only states facts, no matter the situation. a loss in a history book is counted as whatever faction routed or all the soldiers died. but in reality, can you really say the battle of thermopylae was a greek defeat? were speaking on behalf of pride and how significant the damage was to the persian army cause that was the army they were gonna fuck greece up with, then persia got fucked in the battle of plataea the following year.
@MrFigglez The battle of thermopylae was a huge defeat. After defeating the spartans, the Persians ransacked a ton of northern greece. not what the greeks ment to do. Im not saying the Spartans didnt do a fanstanstic job, but it really was a huge defeat
after phillip II, he lengthened the spears from 6 ft to 9 ft to increase death at the lines. with the 6 ft long spears it would only include the first 2 lines in the battle, with the 9 feet it went to the first 4 lines, literally fuckin the shit out of anything in its path. thats why Alexander the great was amazing, other than the fact that he was smart, and that all the other world leaders were morons, his fathers addition to the phalanx and his great cavalry kicked ass.
The Greeks didn't use sarissas before Philip II introduced them to his phalanxes. And Philip II of Macedon was born about a hundred years after the battle of Thermopylae. Thus the Greeks' spears are of the right length in the movie, even though the movie itself is obviously inaccurate historycally in general.
this movie is not historical accurate at all, Leonidas dies the last one, Immortals looked like ninjas & with 2 swords, no Hoplite breast-plates, Xerxes with no beard & hair, monsters, no badly wounded Spartans being treated, No Thespians,Thebans or others but just Arcadian allies & even in the retreat just the spartans stayed to fight. all i liked in it was the fighting, the fighting was cool.
7 metres!! Are you sure? I remember reading that Philip or Alexander equipped his men with longer spears / pikes, but i thought they were just a few feet longer, something like 12 or 15 feet in total.
this movie is an abomination against the Phalanx formation, no armor for the Hoplite? man, if I went out against the Persian Immortals like that Id be stab to death.
@greekhoplites you are right, a real spartan would have worn more armor. But as a representation of how they fought and how it would have looked like in real life, i think it's probably the most accurate there is.
@greekhoplites yeah they should have bronze or copper body armor but this is based on the frank miller comic so i dont know how well you can compare this to actual facts
Well, in the archaic-greek period soldiers wore pretty much what they wanted. In the bronze ages, and battle of Troy Homer stated that men fought without armor, uniform and armor that matched for the whole army came first with the classical period.
But really, is this what you find most unrealistic in this movie?
@greekhoplites You do know that the real Spartans didnt wear that much armor, yes? They use to bathe themselves in olive oil, then comb their LONG hair and then went out to battle with clean shaven faces. The phalanx is the strength of the Spartans. Unit cooperation and undying love of one another gave them the victory ALMOST every time. When Greek city states petitioned Sparta for troops the Spartans would send one man. That right there should tell you the superiority of their training.
@1olddavid The Spartans were hoplites, citizen soldiers who provided their own equipment. Average peasant hoplites typically wore no armor, carried a shield and maybe a helmet. But seeing as the Spartans were professional soldiers, many of them wore metal cuirass or linothorax, bronze shield, bronze greaves, and bronze Corinthian style helmets. They bathed in oil, combed their hair, and did calisthenics to prepare their bodies for death. I've never read anything on them shaving.
@Astafar13 Again, do more research ;-) It seems you are describing the Greek heavy phalanx more than the Spartan phalanx. Yes, the Hoplites were basically poorly equipped because they were mostly petitioned farmers called to arms. And yes the Spartans did shave because it was a detriment to have a beard for the enemy to pull, wherever the head goes the body goes ;-) They bathed in oil to be slick, so again, they couldnt be grabbed.
@1olddavid Sparta was a militarist state. Explain how you believe a state founded on martial superiority wouldn't be heavily equipped. If any idiot were to do a simple search of "Sparta" on Wikipedia, he'd see (siting directly) under Classical Sparta, first paragraph "The superior weaponry, strategy, and bronze armour of the Greek hoplites and their phalanx again proved their worth one year later when Sparta assembled at full strength and led a Greek alliance against the Persians"
@1olddavid Also under Military Life, paragraph three. "A soldier losing his helmet, breastplate or greaves (leg armour) was not similarly punished, as these items were personal pieces of armour designed to protect one man, whereas the shield not only protected the individual soldier but in the tightly packed Spartan phalanx was also instrumental in protecting the soldier to his left from harm."
@1olddavid ALSO. About bathing in oil. Found on a blog "it is known that the Spartans would carefully groom themselves and anoint their bodies with scented oil prior to combat. So as to better meet “the Gods” when meeting death on the battlefield" and on a website about oil baths that youtube is preventing me from linking "Remember the Spartans preparing themselves for the final battle by purifying and moisturizing their bodies before death?" I can PM you the links to these sites.
@1olddavid So please explain to me how men who lived in a militaristic state who began training to be soldiers at the age of 20, considered to be the best soldiers in the land, who wore bronze helmets, breastplates, greaves, and carried bronze shields weren't heavily armored? And how preparing to fight to the end by combing their long hair and anointing their bodies in oil to purify themselves in preparation to meet the Gods was somehow actually intended for purposes in battle?
yes they won ALMOSt every time but when the legions of rome came LOL 20,000 legionaies aginst 42,000 phalangist and the romans won and then greece became a roman sector.
@sultankraver Im not quite sure what the numbers were, but yes it happened. I was researching that a bit and it seems that all depended on timing. The Greek phalanx was outflanked by the Legions. I believe the right flank of the Legions beat the left flank of the phalanx to the crest of a hill on the battlefield. Since the Legions got there sooner they held the advantage and attacked the Phalanx in the flank. The Legions won the battle of maneuver in that decisive battle. Rome respected Greece.
@sultankraver You seem to think that I am a Greek enthusiast, but I assure you, I am not.. If you like Rome and its Empire then I suggest a book called, "The Punic Wars" written by Adrian Goldsworthy. In my opinion the Phalanx was the best head on attack formation in the days of antiquity. The Legions were a formation of maneuver. In all the battles they lost they couldnt maneuver, culminating in entire armies being destroyed in an afternoon. Many times Rome suffered HUGE defeats, annihilation.
@sultankraver In short if you attacked the Phalanx head on you would die by the truckload. If you could outmaneuver it and flank it, you could beat it soundly. When Persia lost its empire to Macedon it wasnt so much that Alexander was great, it was the fact that Persia underestimated them. The Persians outnumbered them so terribly they made the blunder of disrespect and paid dearly for it. Attacking the Phalanx head-on was absolute suicide for anyone.
@sultankraver This movie is funny because the Phalanx would have never let the Persian charge get that close. They would have impaled them all. Guys would be stuck 4 or 5 deep on the Spears, LOL. There is one historical account that the Macedonian Phalanx had 6 meter(approx-18 ft) long spears. Imagine how many men would be impaled instantly in a ridiculous charge like that, its laughable ;-D
@1olddavid except spartans really didn't use 18 foot long spears, and with the diameter of the shield and the immense size of the persian army you would have to have spears laying literally side by side to impale the entire charge. Idiot
@Corzizzle Yep, theirs were only about 4 meters. That means in a staggered Phalanx formation you will have the porcupine effect from about 4-5 rows deep covering the entire front of the formation. Guys die in front and the next takes his place and all move forward. Idiot, hhhmmm, thank you for showing you character ;-)
@sultankraver that's because the macedonians were under a moronic commander and had poorly trained troops. read about king pyrrus, he defeated the romans with the macedonian phalanx
@buddyguy340 yeah he won, but he lost so many men in the process that we use the term: Phyrric victory, to this day to describe a victory at so great a cost it hardly matters that you won.
He himself said: One more victory against the Romans and we would be ruined.
@riderofthereddragon ironically, i wouldn't even consider them pyrrhic victories. for every two romans he killed, he only lost one man. in the battle of asculum, he lost 3,000 out of 40,000 troops. bullshit.
@greekhoplites They were called Immortals because they believed ,that if they died, their place would be taken by the spirit. They believed they were unbeatable because of this. They were a real unit in the days of antiquity. Their belief turned out to be an epic failure ;-)
@1olddavid No. They were called The Immortals because it was an army of 10,000 elite soldiers and whenever one was killed, seriously wounded, or sick he would be immediately replaced with a new man. That was the unit was always kept at 10,000 soldiers.
@greekhoplites you do realize much of this movie is symbolic right? they are not armoured because they are supposed to appear more manly with ridiculous muscle rather than armour.
Wrong I'm afraid, Coastguarder, the *Roman* Testudo formation had shields on top. It was a defensive formation to protect advancing soldiers from missiles, not a fighting formation. The Spartans used the Greek Style phalanx with short spears wielded overhand above the interlocked shields. the Macedonian style phalanx was introduced, much, much later with very long 2-handed pikes, which is the phalax most people think of.
Phalanx is also super easy to beat. If the Persians had volley before they charged, the Spartans would have suffered heavy casualties even if they did repel the charge.
The Shield wasn't only there to deflect melee attacks the shield was huge and if the Persians fired arrows then the Spartans would just put the shields up.
I'm saying that if they volley arrows right at the beginning and at the same time charge with their slave infantry the Spartans will have to choose. Either use their shields to block the arrows or prepare to push back the infantry. Which ever the Spartans will have casualties.
Didnt the movie say his army was so big the Earth shook?
Why would Xerxes care about 1000+ slave peasants? He still has thousands more, even if they are killed by friendly fire. But you see the Spartans will have casualties and will not be able to hold out forever with each volley
Awesome movie but i think it is a bad example of how the Phalanx works. The Spartans in this movie break away too much.(They run out and use their sword)
what happened was, Chuck Norris came up and roundhouse kicked one Persian, and about 20,000 other ones died from the shockwave. unfortunately, all the Greeks died too. but the historians thought this would be too simple, so they rewrote the story. they were later found with their heads smashed through windows.
good video...i've used it for a presentation with Powerpoint in my school xD "The Spartan Phalanx and how they used it." ...this was one of things which pushed up my mark xD^^
HAHAHAHA, that's what I'm doing, however it's in direct relation with Thermopylae and I intend to mention that 300 is a totally fictionalised account, but still, I think it's an easy to see and basic explanation
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Knightman963 1 week ago
-__- my boy friend is using this as motivation for his Zombie vs Human war smh...he's a human and every one else is a zombie smh...I wish him luck lol
MischiefHazelFoxx 1 week ago
I thought the Spartans had very long spears and the Phalanx went up in layers?
Edge0fPain 3 weeks ago
300 is a piece of hollywood-made bullshit compared with the real past, honorful soldiers and a simple and plain life. it should be forbidden as its a serious attempt to pollute the spartan heritage. and thats not right.
jamestaylor94b 2 months ago
@jamestaylor94b If you take historical films from Hollywood seriously, you're either an airhead or don't give a shit for further research.
BaronCarmine 1 month ago
And this is an example of how phalanxes do NOT work!
You don't run into the enemies shields, because they have spears that would kill the first row that is charging in. And nobody would want to be in that first row.
Yora21 2 months ago
@Yora21 Try telling your commander that and you would have nothing to fear from the phalanx. He would kill you himself.
devesdadrunk 3 weeks ago
Spartans were heavily armored this is they believed in the one with the stronger army wins and they spent most findings into making weapons and armor not diplomatic stuff or schools or other crap we have today
MrGamerX101 5 months ago
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@MrGamerX101 You are a complete idiot.
Zeubermench 3 months ago
Wonder why they never used a catapult or something... So much easier.
Xoron76 5 months ago
@666Doncha No the phalanx was not the best formation of all time! The Roman legions were the best formation of all time! The phalanx was only good at the front, and very weak at the sides or rear! The roman legion however had no weak points and was also alot more flexible! That's why the roman legion won against the phalanx at the battle of cynoscephalae!
Draggis92 5 months ago
@Draggis92 maybe the romans enemies was not the spartan army.. so their phalanx was weak..
inFernalEmmIsaRY47 4 months ago
People shouldn't compare the film to real life.
In real life, the Spartans were slaughtered, and nobody survived. It was also a very long time ago, so the historical documents won't be the best...
lemansquattro 6 months ago
@lemansquattro
that happens in the film
arr5612 5 months ago
@arr5612
There was a point to my message.
I can't remember it.
lemansquattro 5 months ago
in real-life, there was a small stone wall in front of the Spartans
beastafy 8 months ago
phalanx is the best formation of all time..so i have a question..if u would persian..what u ll be do there..how u ll be kill that hoplites....stupid persians..going to death..just run on the spears..
666Doncha 8 months ago
The battle between the Spartans is actually impossible if you think about it. The Spartans push through wave after wave after wave of Persians, how did they get over the dead bodies? Unless they were giants, trying to get over the dead bodies would prove damn near impossible, even if they some how were able to get over the dead bodies they would be already wounded by a shot from an arrow because they would literally have to hike over the bodies, it would be like getting over a small mountain.
009jorge1 9 months ago
@009jorge1 i think they held their position and waited for the persians to go to them... becuase if they stayed in the phanlanx they couldnt get hurt and even if they moved the persians were overwhelmed so yeah
TenInches1000 9 months ago
@009jorge1 Don't mix the real battle with the one of the movie, totaly different. The spartans had build like a trench or something to slow down the ennemies and make then easy target, so in my opinion, more bodies means better defence for them.
dealhit 9 months ago
I especially like how the mountains negate the persains surrounding technique =D
SpinJ678 10 months ago
i love it when he says
"PERSIANNNSSSS COME AND GET THEM"
dmguitarman 11 months ago
didnt spartan shields have a little notch at the edge for their spears?
Trollin4Evar 1 year ago
@Trollin4Evar not always.. the soldier desides if he wants it
grculturefun 10 months ago
didnt spartan shields have a little notch at the edge for their spears
Trollin4Evar 1 year ago
yeah..
sharil8888 1 year ago
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PLAYRXZ888KES 1 year ago
Yes, until you have to rush into badass combat with an elite enemy, then you break up, open your shields wide for the enemy to thrust your spear, and break up into individuals.
WritingFighter 1 year ago
ive read some comments here and i wanna say...UR ALL FUKN STUPID!!!!
Greek phalanx:7-9ft long spears (2.1-2.7m) Doris
Macedonian phalanx:18ft spears (6m) sarissas
romans never had a phalanx, they had a testudo formation, to protect them from arrows and other shit. dont comment if u cant get ur facts rite
Leonidas3235 1 year ago
@Leonidas3235 you are a totally ignorant, unbelievable, 1st phalanx the thebean, another from the sacred company, and then then makedonian phallanx,
spartans and atheneans never had a phalanx, tehy had forms for battle but not phallanx,
Η φαλλαγγα δεν ειναι σχηματισμος μαχης, αλλα ομαδα οργανωμενων μοναδων-ατομων, δλδ 16Χ16
στους ρωμαιους αντικατασταθηκε απο την κοορτη,
καποιοι ασχετοι λενε οτι ναναι , χωρις να ξερουν οτι οι σπαρτιατες ειχαν την 2αδα, και οι αθηναιοι τους κοροιδευαν "εραστες"
iapetoc6 1 year ago
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Leonidas3235 1 year ago
Μολῶν Λαβέ βάρβαροι....
Ακόμη και σήμερα
MGD230 1 year ago
Those greeks got buttfucked like the gays they are. You thought muhammed was bad, sparatans were all like michael jackson pedophiles!
ChesterDoraemon 1 year ago
What a load of horse shit, He talks about fighting in Phalanx then spends the rest of the movie fighting with his fellow "Spartans" like undisciplined barbarian horde. The speech like the moive a complete waste of time, why have this scene when the movie is really all about posing and misconstruing the truth of the battle of Thermopylae!
horatio50000 1 year ago
@horatio50000 Well, the Spartans fought for three days. Two of these days were in the phalanx (though this isn't portrayed in the movie because if they were just pushing and occasionally stabbing for 2 hours it wouldn't be very entertaining). However, on the last day their phalanx shattered due to the attack from the rear (no pun intended) and they all just went out in the blaze of glory killing as many people as possible so that they could hold the persians off.
bbguy17 10 months ago
leonidas said they shield each other but in the clip they only shield themselves. wtf
nateisback27 1 year ago
the spartan NEVER HAD PHALANX
they had lovers
units of 2 fighters ,
the thebeans were the first that had a kind of phalanx
the true phlalnx made Phillip B of makedonians
iapetoc6 1 year ago
@iapetoc6
Macedonians!
gangadarits 1 year ago
@gangadarits MAKEDONIANS
comes from ΜΑΚΕΔΝΟΣ son of Hercules, brother of ΜΥΡΜΙΔΟΣ (mirmidos)
k ask in word key not c as c in accelerations
iapetoc6 1 year ago
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Leonidas3235 1 year ago
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@iapetoc6 all th greek city states had phalanxes including sparta... dont talk if u dont kno anythin
Leonidas3235 1 year ago
what makes a phalanx is 1 row of spears, then behind it, a row of spears pointing more up and so on
samuriguy909 1 year ago
not actually a phalanx, just a wall. alexandra and phillip II are what used to phalanx
samuriguy909 1 year ago
Thats why the place of the battle was important. It funneled the enemy into a small area, making his number useless and the killing power of the Phalanx absolute.
1olddavid 1 year ago
1:10 RAWRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
RoyalDog214 1 year ago
You're right greek hoplite fellow. The stength of the Spartan phalanx--or the Atheians, or the Corinthians, or the Thebans (damn them), or the Greeks commanded by Alexanders General Seleucus--Was not because they went to a fancy gym. They were fucking tough guys. Not guys that asked for anything. They were selfless. And I didn't mention Alexander because he wasn't just a man--I am not a man of God. But I know a God when (at least) I learn of him.
bartlebyonline 1 year ago
Spartans kick ass
Muslim2077 1 year ago
they should show more of the phalanx mode i like to see the spartans poke their spears all day lol heheheheheh
Bigfellr 1 year ago
Every shot except the horse ones were filmed in a warehouse o_O It's alllll CGI.
Cloudotter 1 year ago
@Cloudotter so was avatar.thats a great movie in my opinion. the way i see it nearly all movies are fake.
blackoutshock11 1 year ago
The Persians look more like Germanic Barbarians than the real Persian army, am I not right?
Thrawn6211 1 year ago
@Thrawn6211 NO, the Persians look like a raiding mob from Mordor. And Xerxes looks like a homoerotic version of Dhalsim.
papalolita 1 year ago
@papalolita well, either way they look barbaric, and Xerxes still looks like a fag.
Thrawn6211 1 year ago
Yeap,greeks fucked the whole world then,when all of your nations were on the trees..like monkeys.It s hillarious how americans trying to asperse the greek history,in order to convince theirself that USA is the most powerful nation in history.If u dont have the ΙΧΩΡ inside your blood..ull never be Greek.
BTW the definition of "ΦΑΛΑΓΓΑ" made by Alexander the Great and Macedonians a few decades later ,not by Spartans
MastaGangstaKilla 1 year ago
@MastaGangstaKilla WTF?
This movie is based off of a comic book.
Salien1999 1 year ago
thats not a phalanx.
kaiuycn 1 year ago
@kaiuycn Its Hoplite phalanx. Pike falanx (like macedonian) is different
TheRomanRuler 1 year ago
@TheRomanRuler got nothing to do with whether theyre using spears or pikes
kaiuycn 1 year ago
@kaiuycn You wrong. Pikes have longer spears and smaller shields. hoplites have shorter spear and and bigger shield, called hoplon.
TheRomanRuler 1 year ago
@kaiuycn So if you dont no anything about phalanx dont comment.
TheRomanRuler 1 year ago
BEST PART
captain : this is earthquake my king
leonidas : no captain battle formation
huyhuyhuytae 1 year ago
persian guys are dumb , who goes head on against a phalanx, they should really play Rome total war ,lol
nukeboy14 1 year ago
@nukeboy14
next thing u see pigs start going to fire lol
claudsama 1 year ago
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Leonidas3235 1 year ago
And that's quite hilarious! At the start he says 'a single weak spot and the phalanx shatters' then later on when they're fighting he breaks rank to stab an enemy, leaving the man on his left vulnerable to anything ..thus making..a weak spot!
jackamatyus 1 year ago
Yeah that is very inaccurate, that isn't how a phalanx works. A phalanx works by interlocking shields, and making a 3 or more leveled wall of spears...the enemy would hardly be able to get to the shields, and by then, the rows behind could thread spears/swords through.
But then again, this film is based on the graphic novel of the same name NOT the actual battle of Thermopylae..so who gives a damn if it's inaccurate, it's a film based on a comic!
jackamatyus 1 year ago 2
this movie has the worst historical accuracy ever
AlexOfMacedonAOMH 1 year ago 2
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ivanlagrossemoule 1 year ago
Don't know if you noticed, but this is a MOVIE. It doesn't have to be completely accurate. So long as its full of action and makes people want to watch it. Would you want a ninja movie to be 3 hours of a dude waiting in a tree for an opportunity to strike? No? Then loosen up.
iBackHandHoz 1 year ago 2
@AlexOfMacedonAOMH true...but still kicks ass
seppie1203 1 year ago
@AlexOfMacedonAOMH its not ment to be historically accurate,its based on the comic book version of the story if you want historical accuracy watch the original 300 spartans from 1962
WRH90059 1 year ago
Simply fucking AWESOME! Reminds me of the teamwork in the Marine Corps!
aknotz 1 year ago
It was a defeat but not a huge defeat because the casualties are light in the greek camp and heavy in the persian camp
FalconBoxe 1 year ago
a phalanx contains interlocking shields. This wasn't shown in the film.
nmfnmompso 1 year ago
a phalanx was developed by the romans actually as a mobile, impenetrable unit, this isnt a phalanx, it's just tightly knit rows of men, only romans analyzed spartan tactics, found a weakness, then created the phalanx which dominated amry on army battles
alkatrezs 1 year ago
@alkatrezs No, the Phalanx was invented by the Greeks, then later the Macedonian Phalanx came along, which was made by Philip of Macedon
raccoon121 1 year ago
@alkatrezs phalanx got outdated when the Romans expanded her Empire. Phalanx didn't dominate that much they had too much weaknesses
claudsama 1 year ago
Aragorn vs Leonidas
yootubematt 2 years ago
leonidas. i love aragorn but i grew up hearing the story of leonidas. leonidas all the way
nickfromdtown1992 2 years ago
Leonidas, because he was real....
jonharana 2 years ago 12
Aragorn because Leonidas died.
Sephiroth2oo6 2 years ago 2
this seems like the most realistic example of a phalanx ive found.
PotokyProductions 2 years ago
Yes, smart. Study for your test based on YouTube comments.
leavewheniwanna 2 years ago
the phalanx was actually a lot denser than depicted here, your shield was up against the back of the mean in front of you (to keep him from running, or being pushed back ;) )
And indeed there was 3 spears past the first guy because of that (and long spears)
FlamingLion116 2 years ago
you're meaning macedonian phalanx which was created by philip II and perfected by alexander the great?
doippa123 2 years ago
in social studies class we got to go outside to do a phalanx with paper helmets and shields and pool noodles :). it was so fun i just dropped my noodle and trucked people over lol
rymaniscool 2 years ago
how old are fucking 8
2TC2 2 years ago
this gets me thinking yo. i read from the history book that the spartans were defeated in this battle because the persians figured out that attacking head on was stupid so they overpowered them by attacking in all directions
im beginning to think i need to reread that chapter because the comments o here sugests that the spartans survived either by total victory or by either side feeing from battle XD question mark
Krys0lovers0sos 2 years ago
well actually the persians would've had to keep attacking head on if the traitor didn't tell them about the mountain pass and the persians couldnt attack from the sea since their navy was held up by Athenian ships
pokefan68 2 years ago
@Krys0lovers0sos
the history books in class only states facts, no matter the situation. a loss in a history book is counted as whatever faction routed or all the soldiers died. but in reality, can you really say the battle of thermopylae was a greek defeat? were speaking on behalf of pride and how significant the damage was to the persian army cause that was the army they were gonna fuck greece up with, then persia got fucked in the battle of plataea the following year.
MrFigglez 2 years ago
@MrFigglez The battle of thermopylae was a huge defeat. After defeating the spartans, the Persians ransacked a ton of northern greece. not what the greeks ment to do. Im not saying the Spartans didnt do a fanstanstic job, but it really was a huge defeat
ElS0mbra 2 years ago
umm a phalanxe has up to 3 spears past the first guy if it was a greek phalanxe
skyflyman777 2 years ago
@skyflyman777
after phillip II, he lengthened the spears from 6 ft to 9 ft to increase death at the lines. with the 6 ft long spears it would only include the first 2 lines in the battle, with the 9 feet it went to the first 4 lines, literally fuckin the shit out of anything in its path. thats why Alexander the great was amazing, other than the fact that he was smart, and that all the other world leaders were morons, his fathers addition to the phalanx and his great cavalry kicked ass.
MrFigglez 2 years ago
EDIT:
fuck, it started 9 ft, then philip II raised it to 15 ft to 18 ft. my mistake.
MrFigglez 2 years ago
the normal Phalanx formation spears where 7 to 9 ft long spears i think they got longer later on tho due 2 more people in the formations
Nogrounds 2 years ago
The messenger is the Cousin of Xerxes and Brother to the General of the Immortals.
Neither of them die in the battle.
hazza3 2 years ago
spartans used to wear chest and cover for their legs
kokotselos 2 years ago
their spears are like 1 meter lonng thats ridicoulus sarrisa should like be 5 to 8 meters in length
nounever 2 years ago
1 meter is 3ft3in long.....thats tiny.
But these guys are using Dorys. The original Spartan spear before Philip ruled over Greece.
Dorys were over 2-3 meters.
hazza3 2 years ago
They were about 2,3 meters.
Spartiatai300 2 years ago
I already said that...
hazza3 2 years ago
The Greeks didn't use sarissas before Philip II introduced them to his phalanxes. And Philip II of Macedon was born about a hundred years after the battle of Thermopylae. Thus the Greeks' spears are of the right length in the movie, even though the movie itself is obviously inaccurate historycally in general.
Ropepope 2 years ago 2
this movie is not historical accurate at all, Leonidas dies the last one, Immortals looked like ninjas & with 2 swords, no Hoplite breast-plates, Xerxes with no beard & hair, monsters, no badly wounded Spartans being treated, No Thespians,Thebans or others but just Arcadian allies & even in the retreat just the spartans stayed to fight. all i liked in it was the fighting, the fighting was cool.
Suppressingfire 2 years ago
at 1:02 he says phalanx or persians?
sry bad english
iforgetmyaccountlol 2 years ago
The messenger says "Spartans! Lay down your weapons!"
And King Leonidas replies, "Persians! Come and get them!"
=]
hoodlyfe93 2 years ago
Persian, but I understand the confusion
DjRags 2 years ago
7 metres!! Are you sure? I remember reading that Philip or Alexander equipped his men with longer spears / pikes, but i thought they were just a few feet longer, something like 12 or 15 feet in total.
thegreatchimp 2 years ago
Philip & Alexander's Phalanx, the Sarissas were 16 & 18 ft long.
Suppressingfire 2 years ago
ALL HAIL KING LEONIDAS!!
conz000 2 years ago
this movie is an abomination against the Phalanx formation, no armor for the Hoplite? man, if I went out against the Persian Immortals like that Id be stab to death.
greekhoplites 2 years ago 14
You do realize that it's the account of the one surviving spartan and it's depicted as a visual of him telling what happened like a story?
Celebration2000 2 years ago
They wanted to show off the Spartans as being so hard to defeat, they didn't wear armour, that's all.
It's a stylised film, it's not accurate to history, nor was it ever intended to be.
thegreatchimp 2 years ago
@greekhoplites you are right, a real spartan would have worn more armor. But as a representation of how they fought and how it would have looked like in real life, i think it's probably the most accurate there is.
Gabul4 1 year ago
@greekhoplites It's based on a graphic novel, not the actual battle...hence the muscly naked guys...
jackamatyus 1 year ago
@greekhoplites yeah they should have bronze or copper body armor but this is based on the frank miller comic so i dont know how well you can compare this to actual facts
Doippavideos 1 year ago
@greekhoplites
Well, in the archaic-greek period soldiers wore pretty much what they wanted. In the bronze ages, and battle of Troy Homer stated that men fought without armor, uniform and armor that matched for the whole army came first with the classical period.
But really, is this what you find most unrealistic in this movie?
limpoppo 1 year ago
@greekhoplites You do know that the real Spartans didnt wear that much armor, yes? They use to bathe themselves in olive oil, then comb their LONG hair and then went out to battle with clean shaven faces. The phalanx is the strength of the Spartans. Unit cooperation and undying love of one another gave them the victory ALMOST every time. When Greek city states petitioned Sparta for troops the Spartans would send one man. That right there should tell you the superiority of their training.
1olddavid 1 year ago
@1olddavid The Spartans were hoplites, citizen soldiers who provided their own equipment. Average peasant hoplites typically wore no armor, carried a shield and maybe a helmet. But seeing as the Spartans were professional soldiers, many of them wore metal cuirass or linothorax, bronze shield, bronze greaves, and bronze Corinthian style helmets. They bathed in oil, combed their hair, and did calisthenics to prepare their bodies for death. I've never read anything on them shaving.
Astafar13 1 year ago
@Astafar13 Again, do more research ;-) It seems you are describing the Greek heavy phalanx more than the Spartan phalanx. Yes, the Hoplites were basically poorly equipped because they were mostly petitioned farmers called to arms. And yes the Spartans did shave because it was a detriment to have a beard for the enemy to pull, wherever the head goes the body goes ;-) They bathed in oil to be slick, so again, they couldnt be grabbed.
1olddavid 1 year ago
@1olddavid Sparta was a militarist state. Explain how you believe a state founded on martial superiority wouldn't be heavily equipped. If any idiot were to do a simple search of "Sparta" on Wikipedia, he'd see (siting directly) under Classical Sparta, first paragraph "The superior weaponry, strategy, and bronze armour of the Greek hoplites and their phalanx again proved their worth one year later when Sparta assembled at full strength and led a Greek alliance against the Persians"
Astafar13 1 year ago
@1olddavid Also under Military Life, paragraph three. "A soldier losing his helmet, breastplate or greaves (leg armour) was not similarly punished, as these items were personal pieces of armour designed to protect one man, whereas the shield not only protected the individual soldier but in the tightly packed Spartan phalanx was also instrumental in protecting the soldier to his left from harm."
Astafar13 1 year ago
@1olddavid ALSO. About bathing in oil. Found on a blog "it is known that the Spartans would carefully groom themselves and anoint their bodies with scented oil prior to combat. So as to better meet “the Gods” when meeting death on the battlefield" and on a website about oil baths that youtube is preventing me from linking "Remember the Spartans preparing themselves for the final battle by purifying and moisturizing their bodies before death?" I can PM you the links to these sites.
Astafar13 1 year ago
@1olddavid So please explain to me how men who lived in a militaristic state who began training to be soldiers at the age of 20, considered to be the best soldiers in the land, who wore bronze helmets, breastplates, greaves, and carried bronze shields weren't heavily armored? And how preparing to fight to the end by combing their long hair and anointing their bodies in oil to purify themselves in preparation to meet the Gods was somehow actually intended for purposes in battle?
Astafar13 1 year ago
@1olddavid
yes they won ALMOSt every time but when the legions of rome came LOL 20,000 legionaies aginst 42,000 phalangist and the romans won and then greece became a roman sector.
sultankraver 1 year ago
@sultankraver Im not quite sure what the numbers were, but yes it happened. I was researching that a bit and it seems that all depended on timing. The Greek phalanx was outflanked by the Legions. I believe the right flank of the Legions beat the left flank of the phalanx to the crest of a hill on the battlefield. Since the Legions got there sooner they held the advantage and attacked the Phalanx in the flank. The Legions won the battle of maneuver in that decisive battle. Rome respected Greece.
1olddavid 1 year ago
@sultankraver You seem to think that I am a Greek enthusiast, but I assure you, I am not.. If you like Rome and its Empire then I suggest a book called, "The Punic Wars" written by Adrian Goldsworthy. In my opinion the Phalanx was the best head on attack formation in the days of antiquity. The Legions were a formation of maneuver. In all the battles they lost they couldnt maneuver, culminating in entire armies being destroyed in an afternoon. Many times Rome suffered HUGE defeats, annihilation.
1olddavid 1 year ago
@sultankraver In short if you attacked the Phalanx head on you would die by the truckload. If you could outmaneuver it and flank it, you could beat it soundly. When Persia lost its empire to Macedon it wasnt so much that Alexander was great, it was the fact that Persia underestimated them. The Persians outnumbered them so terribly they made the blunder of disrespect and paid dearly for it. Attacking the Phalanx head-on was absolute suicide for anyone.
1olddavid 1 year ago
@1olddavid
yes thats why mobility prevailed in the battle of pydna
sultankraver 1 year ago 10
@sultankraver This movie is funny because the Phalanx would have never let the Persian charge get that close. They would have impaled them all. Guys would be stuck 4 or 5 deep on the Spears, LOL. There is one historical account that the Macedonian Phalanx had 6 meter(approx-18 ft) long spears. Imagine how many men would be impaled instantly in a ridiculous charge like that, its laughable ;-D
1olddavid 1 year ago
@1olddavid except spartans really didn't use 18 foot long spears, and with the diameter of the shield and the immense size of the persian army you would have to have spears laying literally side by side to impale the entire charge. Idiot
Corzizzle 1 year ago
@Corzizzle Yep, theirs were only about 4 meters. That means in a staggered Phalanx formation you will have the porcupine effect from about 4-5 rows deep covering the entire front of the formation. Guys die in front and the next takes his place and all move forward. Idiot, hhhmmm, thank you for showing you character ;-)
1olddavid 1 year ago
@1olddavid You're still an idiot.
Corzizzle 1 year ago
@Corzizzle Tell me what you REALLY think! Lmao, Get a life.
1olddavid 1 year ago
@sultankraver that's because the macedonians were under a moronic commander and had poorly trained troops. read about king pyrrus, he defeated the romans with the macedonian phalanx
buddyguy340 10 months ago
@buddyguy340 yeah he won, but he lost so many men in the process that we use the term: Phyrric victory, to this day to describe a victory at so great a cost it hardly matters that you won.
He himself said: One more victory against the Romans and we would be ruined.
riderofthereddragon 9 months ago
@riderofthereddragon ironically, i wouldn't even consider them pyrrhic victories. for every two romans he killed, he only lost one man. in the battle of asculum, he lost 3,000 out of 40,000 troops. bullshit.
buddyguy340 9 months ago
@greekhoplites They were called Immortals because they believed ,that if they died, their place would be taken by the spirit. They believed they were unbeatable because of this. They were a real unit in the days of antiquity. Their belief turned out to be an epic failure ;-)
1olddavid 1 year ago
@1olddavid
well we should respect everyone's belief right? even if it was pirimitive or retarded
sultankraver 1 year ago
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1olddavid 1 year ago
@sultankraver Respect? Yes... Agree?... not always ;-)
1olddavid 1 year ago
@1olddavid No. They were called The Immortals because it was an army of 10,000 elite soldiers and whenever one was killed, seriously wounded, or sick he would be immediately replaced with a new man. That was the unit was always kept at 10,000 soldiers.
Astafar13 1 year ago 21
@Astafar13 I think you better read some more ;-)
1olddavid 1 year ago
@Astafar13 Don't forget that they also picked up the dead body so that the battlefield wouldn't have a single immortal laying around.
MistaKilljoy 4 months ago
@MistaKilljoy Indeed. as if they never died.
gerian001 4 months ago
@1olddavid Source please...!
arminiusheron 1 year ago
@greekhoplites you do realize much of this movie is symbolic right? they are not armoured because they are supposed to appear more manly with ridiculous muscle rather than armour.
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Corzizzle 1 year ago
To find a real Spartan phalanx search for Spartiatikes Mores.
Spartiatai300 2 years ago
People, it's HISTORY. No one's exactly sure about something.
FookWell 2 years ago
WRONG spartans used spears much longer than that
a1sauses 2 years ago
It's a movie. They wanted to make it more "manly".
Solechnaya 2 years ago
Longer would mean it is a Pike.
Tacotruck1166 2 years ago
sarissa's were pikes basicly >_>
effigyoflight 2 years ago
Wow! Im gona buy that movie!!
filmisiga 2 years ago
that video is made of awesome
Taurenofhell13 2 years ago
That wasn't a real phalanx, the real one had sheilds on top and to the left.
TheCoastGuarder 2 years ago
um, it was a phalanx im pretty sure there were people w/ spears to right and left
Taurenofhell13 2 years ago
Wrong I'm afraid, Coastguarder, the *Roman* Testudo formation had shields on top. It was a defensive formation to protect advancing soldiers from missiles, not a fighting formation. The Spartans used the Greek Style phalanx with short spears wielded overhand above the interlocked shields. the Macedonian style phalanx was introduced, much, much later with very long 2-handed pikes, which is the phalax most people think of.
sidwills 2 years ago
that is true.
VideoCoffin 2 years ago
i think that the original phalanx formation was based on a different essencial
Chameleon569 2 years ago
Phalanx is also super easy to beat. If the Persians had volley before they charged, the Spartans would have suffered heavy casualties even if they did repel the charge.
NightWatchman3346 2 years ago
The Shield wasn't only there to deflect melee attacks the shield was huge and if the Persians fired arrows then the Spartans would just put the shields up.
Pioqueug000 2 years ago
I'm saying that if they volley arrows right at the beginning and at the same time charge with their slave infantry the Spartans will have to choose. Either use their shields to block the arrows or prepare to push back the infantry. Which ever the Spartans will have casualties.
NightWatchman3346 2 years ago
along with persian casualties as they would be firing at their own men
lovestospooge314 2 years ago
but if they fired at the same time they charged then the persians would have alot of casualties in the process.
Friendly Fire :)
Pioqueug000 2 years ago
Didnt the movie say his army was so big the Earth shook?
Why would Xerxes care about 1000+ slave peasants? He still has thousands more, even if they are killed by friendly fire. But you see the Spartans will have casualties and will not be able to hold out forever with each volley
NightWatchman3346 2 years ago
@NightWatchman3346 Don't judge from playing Rome Total War...
arminiusheron 1 year ago
Awesome movie but i think it is a bad example of how the Phalanx works. The Spartans in this movie break away too much.(They run out and use their sword)
NightWatchman3346 2 years ago
if they ran out like that it would be very hard to get back in the fray when Persians are behind and all around. Pretty bad example yes.
LingEntityNoobi 2 years ago
There were 301 at Thermoplyae. Chuck Norris survived!
swansandtyphus 2 years ago 2
what happened was, Chuck Norris came up and roundhouse kicked one Persian, and about 20,000 other ones died from the shockwave. unfortunately, all the Greeks died too. but the historians thought this would be too simple, so they rewrote the story. they were later found with their heads smashed through windows.
mortelli7 2 years ago
ROTFLMAO
swansandtyphus 2 years ago
the greeks weren't like the romans, the romans were like the greeks
lotrgut0404 2 years ago 3
good video...i've used it for a presentation with Powerpoint in my school xD "The Spartan Phalanx and how they used it." ...this was one of things which pushed up my mark xD^^
Haggysack2k8 3 years ago
If you think that the phalanx of a movie (especially a movie like 300) has anything in common with the historical phalanx...
OnkelLui01 3 years ago 4
your teacher failed....
vomitjoe 3 years ago 10
HAHAHAHA, that's what I'm doing, however it's in direct relation with Thermopylae and I intend to mention that 300 is a totally fictionalised account, but still, I think it's an easy to see and basic explanation
Horationelson4ever 2 years ago