I'd say something about the whole "Christianity vs. Atheism" bullshit, but I'm too weirded out by how the bald choir singer in the back looks like Ben Franklin.
It is this music that teaches us reverence for the great and infinite God. Composers such as Vivaldi have revealed to us by the hand of God the Heavenly size. Gloria in excelsis Deo.
Es ist diese Musik die uns Ehrfurcht vor dem Grossen und unendlichen Gott lehrt. Komponisten wie Vivaldi haben uns durch die Hand Gottes die Himmlische groesse offenbart. GLORIA IN EXCELSIS DEO.
@alfhatchett What you should do is compose some music inspired by the same god that you mention, and you'll get things out of your system... Now, let the people who like good music enjoy this. Thank you.
This was true musical genius. Prince, John Lennon, Paul McCartney et al. (while doubtlessly fantastically talented musicians who are surely praiseworthy) are nowhere near the absolutely amazing level of Vivaldi and Bach and Mozart. To raise the average and the inept (not to say that the aforementioned artists are) to the level of genius is not praise for the artist, it is the destruction of the genius.
It's not a piano but a harpsichord. Pianos were only made later. The English Concert is a period-instrument ensemble and therefore they play instruments used during the period the music was first performed and in the style of the period. During those times the "conductor" directed the orchestra from a keyboard or a violin.
That only means you haven't heard christian heavy metal and you are a culturally poorer person for it. Go, go harken to the sounds of angry christian rock!
@GodDefined I think it means "Glory be to God on High and Peace to his People on Earth." Most liturgical church goers would be familiar with this song which is usually read or sung early in the service.
(continuation) As an agnostic nearing 80 now, I am delighted with this uncertainty, and I keep on searching although I know I won’t find “it”. But I know that it is damn near the music that accompanies me. In a way, I’m aware that the slow parts of Beethoven’s pianoconcertos and some of Mozart’s, sound like prayers to me.
@Aguila 252012 and OneJohnFiveTwelve: In my opinion, theism is such a childish invention that I have banned it from my thoughts since I was 16. I can imagine your “doubt”, and I would like to say that all of us who enjoy music experience the same elevated feelings. Theists attribute them to God, so be it. Atheists and agnostics admire it, as part of the incomprehensible nature of things, without the “need” of a Creator, an Intelligent Designer, or any other Supreme Being. -- continues --
See now, I'm an atheist, but I'm a musician so almost all of what I perform is secular music, including this Gloria, but I'm still never going to change my mind. The only reason that so much secular music is so commonly heard and so popular is because it was the churches that had the money with which to commission the pieces from the composers, and no matter what it's about, it's really beautiful music :-)
@emmejem "... is secular music, including this Gloria," Secular means "non-church"
Actually, the majority of classical music IS secular (ie non-church). In fact, much Pagan music is just as grand, just as beautiful to listen to. Some of the "hymns" to pagan deities sound very much like passionate Christian hymns if you don't listen TOO closely to the words.
It is very easy to be fooled into thinking you are listening to something genuinely Christian. Don't change your mind just for music!
i had to listen to this piece for my music homework and I must say i was pleasently suprised, even though i tend to prefer Classical music than Baroque, this really enlightened me to some of the amazing baroque composeres!
I find this piece so uplifting! Even if you don't believe in or like God, it is still possible to let this music boost your mood. This was inspired in some way, by God or by emotions or whatever.
You know what ruined this for me - the choir has been told to smile whilst singing. Stupid, stupid technique. Just try it.. sing some vowel sounds with a relaxed face. Then try it again while trying to smile and hear the difference in tone.
This choir does seem to have pulled it off but I'd be interested to hear the same again without the smiling.
So it's a dislike for me. The orchestra was superb though.
I do not know if you know it, but many of the greatest singing teachers say that precisely, the fact of smiling while singing, makes your soft roof of the mouth raise, so you can make the velar sound 'ng' much better and you can control your sound much easier. That´s the reason why. I would recommend you to study for a while before being so criticist, and particularly so sharp. I am not such an expert at it, but I have studied for some years, and I have alway heard this opinion
@Aquila252012 I belive that art may be used to sacred purposes but its what it is... a sweet kind of hedonism, that may envolve devotion and hard work to comunicate feelings. Dont worry about your relationship with the existance. Respect.
@Aquila252012 absolute nonsense, musical genius should not be confused for justification in worshiping and or talking to something that isn't there (which if you didn't give it the word "god" or "religion" would likely get you diagnosed with schitzophrenia).
Two things: a) Atheists don't misspell "atheist" and b) no self-respecting atheist who cares about the verity of his or her beliefs would ever be in doubt about the non-existence of a god simply after hearing /pretty music/.
@Aquila252012: Music should not hinder or chooseyour own beliefs. I'ma Christian, yet I listen to alot of music that is consider Devil-worshipping music.(mainly looking at rock and metal) To me, I don't really care what it is as long as it's good.
@Aquila252012 I am an atheist too, but music is art.. It's like appreciating a painting with any other religious theme or ancient religious music from any other culture. You do not have to be a believer to appreciate an art form.
@Aquila252012 may be you could see the sky or the sea or the animals or the flowers or even your on body and all this creation reflects tha magnificent of its Designer, and the Best Part of this is that Designer love us so much that His only Son died for you and me at cross!! All this beauty onnly reflects partially his truly majesty!! I hope you can find Him and enjoy Him soon!
Beautiful job, Pinnock & all! Latin went through many periods of transformation. Pronunciation changed in time, resulting in the modern variants or neo-Latin tongues. Classical pronunciation, it is true, pronounced "c" as "k", the equivalent of Greek K, thus our mangled pronunciations of Greek names. Nevertheless, the pronunciation of Church Latin varied somewhat from country to country influenced by local languages. Official Roman pronunciation of excelsis is ekshelsis = Italian style.
@Supermassively very pretentious, but also quite stupid. I sayed that I study latin since four years. I'm Italian, and I know how Italians, and not only in the Veneto (the Venice region) pronounces Latin. The Catholic Church (that was very powerful in Italy), chosed to use the Italian pronunciation for Ecclesiastical Latin since the Middle Age. This is a sacred song written for a catholic mass, ergo this pronunciation is perfect. And now, stop with linguistical arguments and listen to the music.
@Supermassively fuck, my friend, I'M ITALIAN! Can you know better than me how Italians speaks Latin? We says "Ek-shell-sees"! But ancient Latins, that pronunced Latin like the Greek Alphabet, that has only guttural sound for the consonants, and sayed Ex-kel-sees. I'm Italian, and i study Latin and Greek since four years! But you are a bit ignorant, i think, or anyway mind-closed.
@bachinblack94 Yeah, I can. You speak Italian. I spent many years learning Latin. English is a primarily Germanic language. By your "logic", a native German should know more about English than someone who has studied English for many years. If you studied anything related to Latin, you'd know that they were called "Ancient Romans" - not "Ancient Latins".
Wow...no. Just no. There are many different phases of Latin that are ALL "correct". Would you consider people who speaks English in the Southern United States to be speaking false English?
This choir, like most who sing sacred music in Latin, is using Ecclesiastical Latin. I am sure the Latin grammarian in you could certainly discover that in ecclesiastical dialect, an "c" infront of an "e" makes an "ch" sound. Don't forget, Vivaldi was a Catholic priest.
Classical latin pronunces "ex-kel-sees", but classical latin is spoken only in the anglo-saxon countries. In Italy, and generally in the religious celebrations, we use the Ecclesiastical Latin, or Italian Latin, that pronunces "ek-sheel-sees".
Is'nt that funny? You think that this pronunce is horrible and wrong, and I think that the anglo-saxon Classical latin is horrible and wrong. Classical example of cultural relativism.
@bachinblack94 It is wrong. Classical Latin is inherently and factually THE correct version. Believing a different version of the language to be correct is inherently wrong, because Classical Latin IS Latin; any later version is simply a perversion of the original. There is no factual relativism, except in the weak minds of delusional and misguided people.
@Supermassively Besides what you say about "the original" version of a language is correct is utterly absurd because no language is static. You could equally argue that Latin is a perversion of the original Indo-European language and is thus disgusting and that you are weak minded and delusional to believe it is beautiful and "correct".
@TheCrazyCello Latin is not a more "recent form" of Proto Indo-European - nor is any language that descended from it, be it Urdu or Welsh or any other. PIE is simply an ancestor of the Latin language. Latin has an established pronunciation that does not change. In correct Latin, C's are still hard. V's are still pronounced "W". Deviation from that pronunciation is a perversion of the language. What they are singing is not a separate language. It is just incorrectly pronounced Latin.
@Supermassively But Italian is descended from Latin in the same way that Latin is descended from PIE and the pronunciation *did* change. There was not a time when Romans spoke Latin, then systematically and purposefully developed Italian with an entirely new pronunciation and overnight switched use. "Modern Italian" and "Classical Latin" are academic paradigms to describe a much more complex, fluid and (most importantly) dynamic reality. That all languages are constantly developing and evolving
@Supermassively in time and in space. The characteristics of a language at any one point in time are the result of an integral over all changes in the language and its "ancestors" over all time up until that point. To take those characteristics at a specific time and apply them at other times is anachronistic and pointless, much like your argument. You cannot be objective about language which is subjective entirely to its context in time and geographical location.
@Supermassively I'm afraid you don't seem to understand what factual relativism means. You seem to think this means a claim that "facts are relative". A) I am not claiming this. I am claiming that your OPINION that there is one "correct" form of a language and all other forms are incorrect and invalid is irreconcilable with the reality of the dynamic nature of human language. B) Factual relativism is the theory that the truth of a statement is relative to the perspective of the person making it.
@TheCrazyCello The truth of your statement is not determined by the fact you are making it or that you have a particularly warped view of language and therefore it is "true inside this perspective" and "false inside another perspective", it is just plain, factually and absolutely wrong. Sorry!
@bachinblack94 Classical Latin IS the only correct form of Latin, and it IS Italian Latin. In case you're uneducated, ancient Rome is the same city as modern Rome, which just happens to be in Italy. By your logic, Ebonics is just as valid a dialect as regular western English, and it's not, just as this disgusting pronunciation of Latin is not. Everything that came later is just a perversion of the original. There is no valid factual relativism, except in the weak minds of misguided individuals.
I find the discussion of pronunciation amusing. I've traveled widely and found that language is highly regionalized. No matter what the language, there are regional pronunciations that challenge the "accepted" pronunciation. Could it be that pronunciation is a form of rebellion against the powers that be? The discussion is reminiscent of Henry Higgins in Pygmalion. Right or wrong, the choir is uniform in pronunciation. So, let it go and enjoy the sublime beauty of Vivaldi's genius. GLORIA!
@powerseriesman Yes :) In the baroque period, and slightly later, there was much variation on what is now considered concert pitch. It was a period of transition between pythagorean tuning, calculated by ratio, and equal temperament where A = 440hz and this is halved or doubled for each ocatave with the notes in between distributed equally between 12.
@powerseriesman There is lots of disagrement as to what pitch to use for different era's, as it has been suggested that tudor music was actually sung a third higher than it is written! Baroque is generally agreed to be performed a semitone down :) x
Probably a baroque trumpet in D. Note that they have twice the tube length of a modern D trumpet, and no valves. It looks like there are finger holes though...which I'm not sure are authentic? This is definitely my favorite recording of this piece that I have encountered so far! Love the peppy tempo: I think that for a piece like this to really be effective, it has to be very upbeat and rhythmic, and not drag...the choir and orchestra's tone is awesome and the character is great. :)
One of the most stunning experiences I had while visiting the Vatican Museums was that when I turned on the audio guide to start the tour, the first thing I heard was Vivaldi's Gloria. Definitely breathtaking given the music and given where I was.
The latin prononciation of this piece, as it is a catholic liturgical piece, must be the ecclesiastic one. This kind of prononciation has rules very similar to the modern italian prononciation rules. Therefore "Excelsis" in ecclesiastic prononciation sounds "Eks-ch-elsis" (with the "ch" like in the english word "such").
vivaldi was known as the red priest(due to his red hair) he was a music teacher in venice at an orphanage he also composed over 40 operas he died in 1741 aged 63
maybe we can reach a compromise having both the ethnic K consonant together with a semi vowel Sh which may sound both near the Italian Tsh, and along with the original K at the begining - thus not ruining the sound projection with the additional K in the middle of the syllable as occurs in KsK - so we remain with K:ksh and everybody~s happy.
maybe we can reach a compromise having both the ethnic K consonant together with a semi vowel Sh which may sound both near the Italian Tsh, and along with the original K at the begining - thus not ruining the sound projection with the additional K in the middle of the syllable as orrurs in KsK - so we remain with K:ksh and everybody~s happy.
@Supermassively May I say in this way, that is the Italian Latin in the Venice region where people pronounced it /tʃ/ rather then the Ecclesiastical Latin /k/.
@koushirou Yes, that's true, Latin has 3 different ways of pronunciation c: /k/, /tʃ/ in postclassical and /ch/ in vatican pronounciation. Eventhough in Venice they would pronounce c as /ch/ (because of the Italian influence on pronounciation of Latin), there is somewhat an unspoken agreement that Latin in music, particulary the letter c, is pronounced as /tʃ/.
@koushirou The Ecclesiastical pronounciation is soft with c, not k. The latter is the anglo-saxon countries pronounciaton which tries to cpy the original Latin one. However I greatly prefer the Eccesiastical one which is also the one I'm currenty studying at school.
@Lictorium Nah, "exkelsis" is beautiful. "Exchelsis" has such an ugly sound. Classical Latin is all that matters. This neo-Latin is nonsense. I bet Vivaldi wanted it to be pronounced correctly.
@Lictorium You're imagining things. People like you are always trying to make it look like your shitty neo-Latin is the correct version. Just give up. Choral/church Latin is a joke.
@Lictorium Sorry to disappoint, but you are just plain wrong. When you've studied ancient Latin for six years as I have, you can come back and tell me how it was pronounced. Until then, you're just an uneducated classical music buff trying to justify your favorite artists mangling the pronunciation of this language.
@Supermassively How do you know if and how long i have studied latin?
If you studied latin 6 years and you don't know that the ecclesiassic pronounce is the only SURE pronounce passe down for centuries,while you don't know that the classical pronounce is "restituta",well,you wasted 6 years of your life.
Moreover if you want an Opera written by a priest in the 18century not to be pronounced in ecclesiastic Latin,well you're ignorant in many other subjects as well !!!
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Christianity inspired this music, which is divine, whatever your religious views.
armitaged 3 days ago
Christianity inspired this music, which is divine, whatever your religious views.
armitaged 3 days ago
I'd say something about the whole "Christianity vs. Atheism" bullshit, but I'm too weirded out by how the bald choir singer in the back looks like Ben Franklin.
abottleoffuckyou 4 days ago
Give glory to beautiful beautiful beautiful God.
beautifulmoneek 5 days ago
It is this music that teaches us reverence for the great and infinite God. Composers such as Vivaldi have revealed to us by the hand of God the Heavenly size. Gloria in excelsis Deo.
markuswilhalm 5 days ago
Es ist diese Musik die uns Ehrfurcht vor dem Grossen und unendlichen Gott lehrt. Komponisten wie Vivaldi haben uns durch die Hand Gottes die Himmlische groesse offenbart. GLORIA IN EXCELSIS DEO.
markuswilhalm 5 days ago
The song has Its own historical context, deal with It. It's still an amazing piece. Quit bitching.
Nordzumu 1 week ago in playlist Classic
Its amazing, the same god who inspired this masterpiece is the same who inspired the most cruelty wars, holocausts and kills in history.
alfhatchett 1 week ago
@alfhatchett What you should do is compose some music inspired by the same god that you mention, and you'll get things out of your system... Now, let the people who like good music enjoy this. Thank you.
velocirrober 1 day ago
SHUT UP WITH THE ATHEIST vs. CHRISTIAN BABBLE. I enjoy the song, though I am not a Christian. Just SHUT UP AND ENJOY THE MUSIC
TheAngelicDefender 2 weeks ago
Absolutely beautiful! Vivaldi is one of my favorite composers.
DavidIndy1 2 weeks ago
You are all so full of shit. Man created this, not the god you have stuck up your ass. Glory to the wonders of mankind, not your imaginary friends.
DominusTuus 2 weeks ago
@DominusTuus says the one who is "your master". at least that's what his username is in latin.
lucifyme1 2 weeks ago
Durch die Hand Gottes hat Vivaldi dieses Stueck Komponiert.!!!!
markuswilhalm 4 weeks ago
Gloria in excelsis Deo!!
ford291 4 weeks ago
This was true musical genius. Prince, John Lennon, Paul McCartney et al. (while doubtlessly fantastically talented musicians who are surely praiseworthy) are nowhere near the absolutely amazing level of Vivaldi and Bach and Mozart. To raise the average and the inept (not to say that the aforementioned artists are) to the level of genius is not praise for the artist, it is the destruction of the genius.
blacklespaul01 1 month ago
how come the director plays the piano?
m3tronomicon 1 month ago
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It's not a piano but a harpsichord. Pianos were only made later. The English Concert is a period-instrument ensemble and therefore they play instruments used during the period the music was first performed and in the style of the period. During those times the "conductor" directed the orchestra from a keyboard or a violin.
mechpebbles 1 month ago 2
I am not into the myth, but I like the music.
CdnBert 1 month ago
Колоссально! Великий маэстро Антонио Вивальди!
aleko249 1 month ago
Utterly wonderfully fantastic.
ronninj 1 month ago
amen!
astrofabio68 1 month ago
It is kinda sad us atheists dont have kickass music like this, but then again we have heavy metal
Barl3000 1 month ago
@Barl3000
That only means you haven't heard christian heavy metal and you are a culturally poorer person for it. Go, go harken to the sounds of angry christian rock!
adamtheslayer 1 month ago
whatever it's hardly Christian anymore, it's in Latin, no one understands what they are singing. it's just brilliant music.
GodDefined 1 month ago in playlist Vivaldi Gloria
@GodDefined I think it means "Glory be to God on High and Peace to his People on Earth." Most liturgical church goers would be familiar with this song which is usually read or sung early in the service.
someonespadre 1 month ago
@GodDefined You're comment doesn't makes any sense. If you say that something's Latin, and then say it's hardly Christian, it's an oxymoron.
arnavjd 1 month ago
i am singing this song in choir!!!! yay for catherine delanoy!!!!
MsPichuTheOverlord 1 month ago
Amazing how many atheists come to beautiful Christian music and say 'I'm an atheist...' No one gives a shit. Just enjoy the music.
DustyAndPistolPete 2 months ago 16
@DustyAndPistolPete AGREED!
meginmd 1 month ago
(continuation) As an agnostic nearing 80 now, I am delighted with this uncertainty, and I keep on searching although I know I won’t find “it”. But I know that it is damn near the music that accompanies me. In a way, I’m aware that the slow parts of Beethoven’s pianoconcertos and some of Mozart’s, sound like prayers to me.
Greetings.-
dinulipati 2 months ago
@Aguila 252012 and OneJohnFiveTwelve: In my opinion, theism is such a childish invention that I have banned it from my thoughts since I was 16. I can imagine your “doubt”, and I would like to say that all of us who enjoy music experience the same elevated feelings. Theists attribute them to God, so be it. Atheists and agnostics admire it, as part of the incomprehensible nature of things, without the “need” of a Creator, an Intelligent Designer, or any other Supreme Being. -- continues --
dinulipati 2 months ago
Great!!!
josefk64 2 months ago
Im a member in ´Sølvguttene´and im going to sing this 11-11-11, yes I know its funny 111111.but itstrue (:
Arildermeg 2 months ago
lots of classical music are sacred, what are all those masses, requiems, glorias, te deums, ave verums, etc but sacred music???
margotlorena1 2 months ago
I'm going to sing this in my choir i so excited!
Dinoropterix 2 months ago
beautiful song :)
Natsukikiss 3 months ago 2
Perfection.
KhoaFTL 3 months ago
second part of this piece is the best for me
darijussan 3 months ago
My middle school is going to play this lol. I have the bass part which is kind of easy
SasoriOfTheBlackSand 3 months ago
I sing this in a few days, I'm very nervous, wish me luck ... and I love this song
HanaSonosaki 3 months ago
See now, I'm an atheist, but I'm a musician so almost all of what I perform is secular music, including this Gloria, but I'm still never going to change my mind. The only reason that so much secular music is so commonly heard and so popular is because it was the churches that had the money with which to commission the pieces from the composers, and no matter what it's about, it's really beautiful music :-)
emmejem 3 months ago
@emmejem "... is secular music, including this Gloria," Secular means "non-church"
Actually, the majority of classical music IS secular (ie non-church). In fact, much Pagan music is just as grand, just as beautiful to listen to. Some of the "hymns" to pagan deities sound very much like passionate Christian hymns if you don't listen TOO closely to the words.
It is very easy to be fooled into thinking you are listening to something genuinely Christian. Don't change your mind just for music!
OneJohnFiveTwelve 3 months ago
@emmejem Think you've got secular confused. Secular is NON-Church music. The S word that means Church music is Sacred not Secular.
Jacoblifeinchrist 3 months ago
Lindo ! Great ! Perfecto ! Greetings from Brazil.
paulo39667 4 months ago 2
This is a really brilliant performance. If I could put 100 likes, I would still do it. :) I give 5 stars.
chrishan43168 4 months ago
i had to listen to this piece for my music homework and I must say i was pleasently suprised, even though i tend to prefer Classical music than Baroque, this really enlightened me to some of the amazing baroque composeres!
graceSUCKSS 4 months ago
Six people have no idea what music really is.
lilygolightly 4 months ago
Wonderful stuff. Goosebumps all over!
eilee11 4 months ago
@Aquilia252012 are you sure you're an "aetheist" . Honestly for starters you did not even spell it out correctly.
hotdevilus 4 months ago
Thanks v much for posting this since Trevor Pinnock's live performances on youtube are rather rare. Glorious indeed. Bravo!
chrwusg 4 months ago
There's one alto waaaaaay too close to the microphone!
2Dawgz 4 months ago
I find this piece so uplifting! Even if you don't believe in or like God, it is still possible to let this music boost your mood. This was inspired in some way, by God or by emotions or whatever.
baruch60610 4 months ago
Handel's Messiah for people with ADD
GabriKnight 5 months ago
A spectacular performance. Trully classical!
koyo254 5 months ago
You know what ruined this for me - the choir has been told to smile whilst singing. Stupid, stupid technique. Just try it.. sing some vowel sounds with a relaxed face. Then try it again while trying to smile and hear the difference in tone.
This choir does seem to have pulled it off but I'd be interested to hear the same again without the smiling.
So it's a dislike for me. The orchestra was superb though.
LukeSkyscraper 5 months ago
@LukeSkyscraper
I do not know if you know it, but many of the greatest singing teachers say that precisely, the fact of smiling while singing, makes your soft roof of the mouth raise, so you can make the velar sound 'ng' much better and you can control your sound much easier. That´s the reason why. I would recommend you to study for a while before being so criticist, and particularly so sharp. I am not such an expert at it, but I have studied for some years, and I have alway heard this opinion
JTruebaE 5 months ago
Gloria the Creater of the Universe, forever!!!
TASC091 5 months ago
sang this in choir, very well done. may i say especially the orchestra was spot on!
nhelser1 6 months ago
@nhelser1 Bravo.
miriamfesa 5 months ago
Odpovědět na toto video... miriam - bravo...
miriamfesa 5 months ago
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0:48 the mans face.
Jelubaful 6 months ago
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Jelubaful 6 months ago
DUDEEE LOOK AT THEM
stidnadlacica 6 months ago
I am an aetheist but when i hear this i think that, sometimes, i might have got it wrong.
Aquila252012 6 months ago 151
@Aquila252012 I belive that art may be used to sacred purposes but its what it is... a sweet kind of hedonism, that may envolve devotion and hard work to comunicate feelings. Dont worry about your relationship with the existance. Respect.
inaciosergio 5 months ago
@Aquila252012 absolute nonsense, musical genius should not be confused for justification in worshiping and or talking to something that isn't there (which if you didn't give it the word "god" or "religion" would likely get you diagnosed with schitzophrenia).
LukeSkyscraper 5 months ago
@Aquila252012 You aren't wrong. God is certainlly a creation of man. The musique could be understood as a divine demonstration of human skills.
Eleuterio1951 5 months ago
@Aquila252012
Do not classify yourself as something without you have plenty of truth...
Give a chance and open yourself for everything brother ;D
Even to God...
Loiginer 4 months ago
@Aquila252012 Agree
Adri58 4 months ago
@Aquila252012 You got the spelling of atheist wrong, Other than that it sends a shiver down my spine too :)
VeronicaHastings 4 months ago
@Aquila252012
aetheist? why?
What Evidence Do You Have? hehehe
Regards
cmvb 4 months ago 2
@Aquila252012 If god wrote this peice of music, then that would be a valid comment
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@Aquila252012
Two things: a) Atheists don't misspell "atheist" and b) no self-respecting atheist who cares about the verity of his or her beliefs would ever be in doubt about the non-existence of a god simply after hearing /pretty music/.
Down-voted.
BMB012887 2 months ago
@Aquila252012: Music should not hinder or chooseyour own beliefs. I'ma Christian, yet I listen to alot of music that is consider Devil-worshipping music.(mainly looking at rock and metal) To me, I don't really care what it is as long as it's good.
sonicnator 2 months ago
@Aquila252012 Wow, that is one embarrassing comment.
Chise37 2 months ago
@Aquila252012 I am an atheist too, but music is art.. It's like appreciating a painting with any other religious theme or ancient religious music from any other culture. You do not have to be a believer to appreciate an art form.
dudefromrdz 2 months ago 2
@Aquila252012 dont worry till you are near death
texan6usa 1 month ago
@Aquila252012 Read Saint Thomas Aquinas' Summa Theologica and have a happy Christmas. :)
JCistGottMitUns 1 month ago
@Aquila252012 someday you'll see
hopefully in this earth u.u
alexgajardorilling 1 month ago
@Aquila252012 may be you could see the sky or the sea or the animals or the flowers or even your on body and all this creation reflects tha magnificent of its Designer, and the Best Part of this is that Designer love us so much that His only Son died for you and me at cross!! All this beauty onnly reflects partially his truly majesty!! I hope you can find Him and enjoy Him soon!
batmanpilot 1 month ago
@Aquila252012 This is a proof (maybe for you) of God´s Existence...Only God, for me, could inspire someone to write a wonder like this.
Happy Christmas!
dimarqueslopes 1 month ago 3
@Aquila252012 the same Jesus who inspired this reverence and worship is alive and well! He's as real today as he was 2000 years ago! Hallelujah!!!!
borchawk 4 weeks ago in playlist More videos from koushirou
I can hear the heaven
Oistrakhfollower 6 months ago
Heavenly performance. xxx
ronninj 6 months ago
to GOD be the glory!!
gloriastefanie7 6 months ago
Glorious performance and recording! A special *bravo!* to the trumpet player!!
dwf56 7 months ago 26
J'aimerais avoir cette musique a mon mariage <3
razamoune 7 months ago
This a beautiful recording. Lovely atmosphere, altogether a memorable performance. In fact I have bought the CD.
893shamrock 7 months ago
God!! Beautiful.
alxsants8 7 months ago
Trevor Pinnock? Thought it was Liam Neeson
mariovdveen1963 7 months ago
huh, vivladi and i have similar songwriting styles
MountieVision 7 months ago
awesome! my acapella choir did this for a choir competition and we got 1's (the best you can get) but these guys are waayyy better than we were. (:
AllishunsRule 7 months ago
En realidad, una interpretación que sí muestra el verdadero espíritu barroco!!! Por fin!!!
ManuelValenciaFSC 7 months ago
Great
luisurena06 7 months ago
is that a harpischord?
MrPowerMoney1 7 months ago
@MrPowerMoney1 Yes it is
CharlieBladeRemus 7 months ago
im singing this 4 my competition!! we're gonna win...js... (;
itstheleoshow 8 months ago
Beautiful job, Pinnock & all! Latin went through many periods of transformation. Pronunciation changed in time, resulting in the modern variants or neo-Latin tongues. Classical pronunciation, it is true, pronounced "c" as "k", the equivalent of Greek K, thus our mangled pronunciations of Greek names. Nevertheless, the pronunciation of Church Latin varied somewhat from country to country influenced by local languages. Official Roman pronunciation of excelsis is ekshelsis = Italian style.
FRAGIORGIO1 8 months ago
just sublime - I have watched this so often
normthehat 8 months ago
Personally, I would like to see Mr. Bean conducting.
dkw12002 8 months ago
Very nice!
VF28RADIO 8 months ago
Simply bliss!
britcrit09 8 months ago
LOLOLOL the guy at 0:47 makes me laugh.
Shanelololol 8 months ago
@Shanelololol
both guys I suppose... :)
harpsinth 8 months ago
@Shanelololol he makes you laugh until you realize that's the face he makes when he watches you undress at night
vanburikwouter 8 months ago
@Supermassively very pretentious, but also quite stupid. I sayed that I study latin since four years. I'm Italian, and I know how Italians, and not only in the Veneto (the Venice region) pronounces Latin. The Catholic Church (that was very powerful in Italy), chosed to use the Italian pronunciation for Ecclesiastical Latin since the Middle Age. This is a sacred song written for a catholic mass, ergo this pronunciation is perfect. And now, stop with linguistical arguments and listen to the music.
bachinblack94 8 months ago
best music!best best best!!!
dudeFromBucovina 8 months ago
@Supermassively Uuh, very good mode to recognize an error...
bachinblack94 9 months ago
@Supermassively fuck, my friend, I'M ITALIAN! Can you know better than me how Italians speaks Latin? We says "Ek-shell-sees"! But ancient Latins, that pronunced Latin like the Greek Alphabet, that has only guttural sound for the consonants, and sayed Ex-kel-sees. I'm Italian, and i study Latin and Greek since four years! But you are a bit ignorant, i think, or anyway mind-closed.
bachinblack94 9 months ago
@bachinblack94 SHUT THE FUCK UP OH MY GOD
420Jaemillz 9 months ago
@bachinblack94 Yeah, I can. You speak Italian. I spent many years learning Latin. English is a primarily Germanic language. By your "logic", a native German should know more about English than someone who has studied English for many years. If you studied anything related to Latin, you'd know that they were called "Ancient Romans" - not "Ancient Latins".
Supermassively 8 months ago
@Supermassively
Wow...no. Just no. There are many different phases of Latin that are ALL "correct". Would you consider people who speaks English in the Southern United States to be speaking false English?
This choir, like most who sing sacred music in Latin, is using Ecclesiastical Latin. I am sure the Latin grammarian in you could certainly discover that in ecclesiastical dialect, an "c" infront of an "e" makes an "ch" sound. Don't forget, Vivaldi was a Catholic priest.
Wizcalvin 8 months ago
@Supermassively
Classical latin pronunces "ex-kel-sees", but classical latin is spoken only in the anglo-saxon countries. In Italy, and generally in the religious celebrations, we use the Ecclesiastical Latin, or Italian Latin, that pronunces "ek-sheel-sees".
Is'nt that funny? You think that this pronunce is horrible and wrong, and I think that the anglo-saxon Classical latin is horrible and wrong. Classical example of cultural relativism.
bachinblack94 9 months ago 2
@bachinblack94 It is wrong. Classical Latin is inherently and factually THE correct version. Believing a different version of the language to be correct is inherently wrong, because Classical Latin IS Latin; any later version is simply a perversion of the original. There is no factual relativism, except in the weak minds of delusional and misguided people.
Supermassively 9 months ago
@Supermassively Besides what you say about "the original" version of a language is correct is utterly absurd because no language is static. You could equally argue that Latin is a perversion of the original Indo-European language and is thus disgusting and that you are weak minded and delusional to believe it is beautiful and "correct".
TheCrazyCello 8 months ago
@TheCrazyCello Latin is not a more "recent form" of Proto Indo-European - nor is any language that descended from it, be it Urdu or Welsh or any other. PIE is simply an ancestor of the Latin language. Latin has an established pronunciation that does not change. In correct Latin, C's are still hard. V's are still pronounced "W". Deviation from that pronunciation is a perversion of the language. What they are singing is not a separate language. It is just incorrectly pronounced Latin.
Supermassively 8 months ago
@Supermassively But Italian is descended from Latin in the same way that Latin is descended from PIE and the pronunciation *did* change. There was not a time when Romans spoke Latin, then systematically and purposefully developed Italian with an entirely new pronunciation and overnight switched use. "Modern Italian" and "Classical Latin" are academic paradigms to describe a much more complex, fluid and (most importantly) dynamic reality. That all languages are constantly developing and evolving
TheCrazyCello 8 months ago
@Supermassively in time and in space. The characteristics of a language at any one point in time are the result of an integral over all changes in the language and its "ancestors" over all time up until that point. To take those characteristics at a specific time and apply them at other times is anachronistic and pointless, much like your argument. You cannot be objective about language which is subjective entirely to its context in time and geographical location.
TheCrazyCello 8 months ago
@TheCrazyCello Heh... factual relativism. Way to forfeit an argument.
Supermassively 8 months ago
@Supermassively I'm afraid you don't seem to understand what factual relativism means. You seem to think this means a claim that "facts are relative". A) I am not claiming this. I am claiming that your OPINION that there is one "correct" form of a language and all other forms are incorrect and invalid is irreconcilable with the reality of the dynamic nature of human language. B) Factual relativism is the theory that the truth of a statement is relative to the perspective of the person making it.
TheCrazyCello 8 months ago
@TheCrazyCello The truth of your statement is not determined by the fact you are making it or that you have a particularly warped view of language and therefore it is "true inside this perspective" and "false inside another perspective", it is just plain, factually and absolutely wrong. Sorry!
TheCrazyCello 8 months ago
@bachinblack94 Classical Latin IS the only correct form of Latin, and it IS Italian Latin. In case you're uneducated, ancient Rome is the same city as modern Rome, which just happens to be in Italy. By your logic, Ebonics is just as valid a dialect as regular western English, and it's not, just as this disgusting pronunciation of Latin is not. Everything that came later is just a perversion of the original. There is no valid factual relativism, except in the weak minds of misguided individuals.
Supermassively 9 months ago
420 is my bday i dont smoke. now stop bitching
420Jaemillz 9 months ago
I find the discussion of pronunciation amusing. I've traveled widely and found that language is highly regionalized. No matter what the language, there are regional pronunciations that challenge the "accepted" pronunciation. Could it be that pronunciation is a form of rebellion against the powers that be? The discussion is reminiscent of Henry Higgins in Pygmalion. Right or wrong, the choir is uniform in pronunciation. So, let it go and enjoy the sublime beauty of Vivaldi's genius. GLORIA!
pamsguy 9 months ago
It is in excelssis, not exchelssis, but magnificent perormance
dregomor 9 months ago
If you think about it, this is a very up beat piece for Baroque church piece. I guess the wars of religion taught them something.
rgaleny 9 months ago
i can't help but hate the one vocalist who sticks out like a sore thumb.
niteman555 9 months ago
Excepcional la orquesta! No me parece que el coro este a la misma altura. Una pena. :(
MariaCoro09 9 months ago
'ex-sell-sees', actually :)
inspirame 9 months ago
0:50 - epic face on the guy on the left
LeatherySwine 9 months ago
Very well executed. Great diction and nice attacks. I very much liked the dynamics as well. Very pleasing to listen to.
MrMusic1984 10 months ago
Trever Pinnock=Best Cembalo player in the world!
Oistrakhfollower 10 months ago
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Nagyon tetszik! Jó a tempó, szépen együtt van a zenekar és az énekkar! :) :)
Szixy100 10 months ago
Nagyon tetszik! Jó a tempó, szépen együtt van a zenekar és az énekkar! :) :)
Szixy100 10 months ago
how come this is tuned a half step lower than most recordings here on you tube. is this the baroque thing to do?
powerseriesman 10 months ago
@powerseriesman Yes :) In the baroque period, and slightly later, there was much variation on what is now considered concert pitch. It was a period of transition between pythagorean tuning, calculated by ratio, and equal temperament where A = 440hz and this is halved or doubled for each ocatave with the notes in between distributed equally between 12.
hardimentjake 10 months ago
@powerseriesman There is lots of disagrement as to what pitch to use for different era's, as it has been suggested that tudor music was actually sung a third higher than it is written! Baroque is generally agreed to be performed a semitone down :) x
hardimentjake 10 months ago
perfect and good sound recording!!!
powerseriesman 10 months ago
Probably a baroque trumpet in D. Note that they have twice the tube length of a modern D trumpet, and no valves. It looks like there are finger holes though...which I'm not sure are authentic? This is definitely my favorite recording of this piece that I have encountered so far! Love the peppy tempo: I think that for a piece like this to really be effective, it has to be very upbeat and rhythmic, and not drag...the choir and orchestra's tone is awesome and the character is great. :)
philidor2005 10 months ago
Anybody mind telling me just what kind of trumpet that is?....
CharlieBladeRemus 10 months ago
The conductor is wonderful!!!
(ps. Originally, Vivaldi conducted his orchestra with his violin, not cembalo.)
Anyway, A-B-S-O-L-U-T-E-L-Y beautiful!!!!!!!!!!!
Oistrakhfollower 10 months ago
One of the most stunning experiences I had while visiting the Vatican Museums was that when I turned on the audio guide to start the tour, the first thing I heard was Vivaldi's Gloria. Definitely breathtaking given the music and given where I was.
pydbl 10 months ago
played this today, was fun
HazzPk 10 months ago
i was supposed to sing this in circle the state but couldn't had to go some where
CAJunkie1 10 months ago
Glorious w/o a doubt!
fctrumpet 10 months ago
The pronunciation is perfect! It's latin and they played it correctly ;)
Wonderful performance!
cibernite 10 months ago
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cibernite 10 months ago
Perfection. How could there be any dislikes.
893shamrock 10 months ago
great performance but the prononciation!!! :D
simondt1 10 months ago
The some of the best tone quality I've heard this performed with.
MarieDepew 11 months ago
Fascinant
COCRUTA 11 months ago
The latin prononciation of this piece, as it is a catholic liturgical piece, must be the ecclesiastic one. This kind of prononciation has rules very similar to the modern italian prononciation rules. Therefore "Excelsis" in ecclesiastic prononciation sounds "Eks-ch-elsis" (with the "ch" like in the english word "such").
jacobusp1 11 months ago
our mixed choir is singing tht for our tri state competition...and we're middle schoolers....
705paramore 11 months ago 2
@705paramore we were singing the same song but better in our choir
MultiScaler 11 months ago
vivaldi was known as the red priest(due to his red hair) he was a music teacher in venice at an orphanage he also composed over 40 operas he died in 1741 aged 63
whatsgoingonthen 1 year ago
Thanks a lot.
Glory TO FATHER GOD
TheGlowingBee22 1 year ago
Is that a giant lute in the back behind the 'cellos?
musing85 1 year ago
Very thank you koushirou...is just wonderfully....
ninive612 1 year ago
maybe we can reach a compromise having both the ethnic K consonant together with a semi vowel Sh which may sound both near the Italian Tsh, and along with the original K at the begining - thus not ruining the sound projection with the additional K in the middle of the syllable as occurs in KsK - so we remain with K:ksh and everybody~s happy.
gilad1arnon 1 year ago
maybe we can reach a compromise having both the ethnic K consonant together with a semi vowel Sh which may sound both near the Italian Tsh, and along with the original K at the begining - thus not ruining the sound projection with the additional K in the middle of the syllable as orrurs in KsK - so we remain with K:ksh and everybody~s happy.
gilad1arnon 1 year ago
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Ugh.
"In ek-shell-sees"? Latin is such a beautiful language. Why do choirs have to ruin it with horrible pronunciation?
It's pronounced "ex-kell-sees".
Supermassively 1 year ago
@Supermassively May I say in this way, that is the Italian Latin in the Venice region where people pronounced it /tʃ/ rather then the Ecclesiastical Latin /k/.
koushirou 1 year ago 24
@koushirou and even Latin of the Cath. Church it's not like classical Latin... Ciceri is not "Kikero" but "Chichero" :)
sasky84 11 months ago
@koushirou Yes, that's true, Latin has 3 different ways of pronunciation c: /k/, /tʃ/ in postclassical and /ch/ in vatican pronounciation. Eventhough in Venice they would pronounce c as /ch/ (because of the Italian influence on pronounciation of Latin), there is somewhat an unspoken agreement that Latin in music, particulary the letter c, is pronounced as /tʃ/.
tevtonias 10 months ago
@koushirou The Ecclesiastical pronounciation is soft with c, not k. The latter is the anglo-saxon countries pronounciaton which tries to cpy the original Latin one. However I greatly prefer the Eccesiastical one which is also the one I'm currenty studying at school.
caracollanaccio 9 months ago
@Supermassively "exkelsis" is classical latin;it has nothing to do with the Church,with Vivaldi,with classical music.
They would have ruined it if they said "exkelsis".
Gloria in EXCELSIS Deo.
Lictorium 1 year ago
@Lictorium Nah, "exkelsis" is beautiful. "Exchelsis" has such an ugly sound. Classical Latin is all that matters. This neo-Latin is nonsense. I bet Vivaldi wanted it to be pronounced correctly.
Supermassively 1 year ago
@Supermassively Vivaldi was too intelligent to want his Opera to be pronounced in an artificial pronounce
created in the Renaissance.Moreover he was a priest,so he used and loved Ecclesiastic Latin(the only that was directly passed down from Roman Times).
If you want to hear "exkelsis" you can go to a seminar of classic-latin lovers ; )
Bye.
Lictorium 1 year ago
@Lictorium "Artificial pronounce"? You must be kidding. The correct pronunciation is the only pronunciation. This is just an abomination.
Supermassively 1 year ago
@Supermassively The classical pronounce is called "restituta" because it was recreated in recent times.
The Ecclesiastic pronounce is the only one that has been DIRECTLY passed down from Roman times.
So,you call "correct" an hypothetic language and "abomination" the certain,true pronounce.
A strange point of view......
Bye ; )
Lictorium 1 year ago
@Lictorium You're imagining things. People like you are always trying to make it look like your shitty neo-Latin is the correct version. Just give up. Choral/church Latin is a joke.
Supermassively 1 year ago
@Supermassively Yes ,it is a joke;
but it's the ONLY ONE PRONOUNCIATION DIRECTLY PASSED DOWN FROM ROMAN TIMES.
Try to live with it ; )
Bye.
Lictorium 1 year ago
@Lictorium Sorry to disappoint, but you are just plain wrong. When you've studied ancient Latin for six years as I have, you can come back and tell me how it was pronounced. Until then, you're just an uneducated classical music buff trying to justify your favorite artists mangling the pronunciation of this language.
Supermassively 1 year ago
@Supermassively How do you know if and how long i have studied latin?
If you studied latin 6 years and you don't know that the ecclesiassic pronounce is the only SURE pronounce passe down for centuries,while you don't know that the classical pronounce is "restituta",well,you wasted 6 years of your life.
Moreover if you want an Opera written by a priest in the 18century not to be pronounced in ecclesiastic Latin,well you're ignorant in many other subjects as well !!!
Bye ; )
Lictorium 1 year ago