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  • I think, this is a reincarnation of Lezard, he uses the time machine in VP1 to go back a few centuries. That's when the events of VP2 take place as your playing the game.

    So I dont think this is him when he is a child. Unless this is sometime in the future and Alicia has reincarnated during the VP1 time period where Lezard was a child.

  • There's no Time thing at all. Its not the past, its the continuation, the aftermath - there's no "rewinding time" - its simply being reborn again - the soul constantly reborn after each death.

    Alicia is either given another chance at a normal life or is, like Lenneth was at first, a 'sleeping Valkyrie' though thats a bit of a stretch

    As for the Lezard thing, I wonder how they're going to do this in the next VP (if any) - will they take the alt. ending or not?

  • I can't believe it, you can see Lezard this Chibi form in Star Ocean 3, man .... still thinking how he get to Excillor III ....

  • @staroceanmasterfan1 this scene shows back before he did what he did *eg..as a child before such thoughts of obsession took place* thats all it is..thus back when alicia was removed from her kingdom and roamed alone

  • Rufus in this scene rewinds time,to change things that should have been and their outcomes..thus why you see lezard as a kid and alicia..plus as i was told in game when alicia recieves the 3 and becomes *valkyrie* do NOT use her to fight lezard..and you will get this scene after credits..this is what i was told

  • i played as lezard against lezard (i took the one on seraphic gate and put the weapons i "borrowed" from the one on the main story on him), then i said something funny without actually trying...

    "and now imma gonna defeat you even if i have to kick my own ass"

    after realizing what have i said i could not do anything else but giggle (i'm a girl but i did a very masculine voice when doing a voice over of the lezard of my party)

  • 続編でレザード再登場の可能性も残されているんですよね。

    抜け目ないトライエース。

  • I like this ending ^^

    But I can`t understand it...

    Maybe I`m too stupid... v.v''

  • @Yuna5422 lezard is there. sitting reading a book :P

  • @SumJ23 Read something for me ^___^

    I like listening to stories :3

  • ...Oh I see, at 0:11 Lezard sits there and reads a book

  • 0:11,is that Lezard or what?He is reborn?

  • Ah that b****** Lezard is back for VP Lenneth >:( You get this by not using Valkyrie right?

  • @HarunaSahra you bet, in my final battle i made brahms all powerful since he had god slayer he was the one doing more damage, the others where equiped with the obscennely powerful weapons i got making lezard, dylan, arngrim and leone lvl 45, sword of the meek and tri-emblem for brahms, slashing sword farewell for fraudir, dragonslayer2 for arngrim and a mage just for the lulz (i made them al learn god slayer on the road before the final battle just to be sure)

  • @Dewani90 Er...I just had all of mine with regular items/armor. XD I never really went for that fancy smanchy stuff... I had lvl 85 Alicia, 70-something Rufus, 62 Brahms, and 45 Arngrim...who always died. (lol)

  • @HarunaSahra lol, my arngrim was 71 and i didn't used alicia(since she transformed into valkyrie) so i squashed lezard with the party i told you before, because i wanted to ge the A+ ending, and i happen to want everything since i was hours trying to get all those characters to 45 on the Hydra, and was a lot of time killing things on the seraphic gate to get Freya and the valkyries and lezard there, so i tough i deserver a little plus on my ending o.<

  • @Dewani90 I never said you didn't O.o I'm just saying that I wanted to see the Lezard cameo since I was too lazy not to use Alicia. XD

  • Now Rufus have to wait a little while :)

  • something about Rufus make me dislike him. xD i like him at first and i put him in my team.

  • Dang, this scene was so cute and sad! In a way Rufus and Alicia did kiss, they both kissed the ring, but thats kinda boring. I think he's going to wait for her though.

  • er.i beg to differ...from what i see,during the A ending of VP1,Lenneth was made the creator.I have a feeling this future Lenneth we see is the one that appeaed in the A ending in VP1.

  • Whatever, Lezard and Lenneth will still exist forever in a game of cat and rat. You can see this in Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume for DS. When you complete a stage on Seraphic Gate, a Stone Table is written and who write it is Lezard himself if I do not mistake myself. '-'

  • Whoa I never noticed Lezard sitting there before. If I understand the comments he's not normally there but if you defeat him without using Valkyrie he is? That would be really hard(or at least time consuming) to do since Valkyrie is the only character that does significant damage in that fight. Since I love Lezard so much I will give it a shot.

  • hey if you want to let the story to be continued then watch my vp 3 rsing of ragnarok trailer!!!

  • Kawaii Alicia! ^^

  • @_@ ok, anybody, answer me this. is it a bad thing or a good thing he's there? i read half of the theorys of ALTERNATE REALITY and i feel like my brains frying.

  • I don't take Lezard presence there as canon. The canon ending is the one where Valkyrie defeats him and stuff, not some ending where she not even fought him.

    And yes, VP2 sorta created a new timeline for VP series, since it changed Lenneth's future (In other words, Lenneth's future was "destroyed". Things arent going to happen as we saw in VP1). Just remember, VP2 may happen in the past, but the events we saw takes place AFTER VP1. Since Lenneth was the creator and came from the future.

  • But there are two different universes, so the other universe is where VP1 takes place. Confusing, frustrating fucking story, Why not just make a sequel to the first one? Whatever...

  • I see it as the timeline fits within the same reality even though Lenneth says she's from an alternate future. Ragnarok was predicted in the first place, and she was the one to renew the world.

    Lenneth's past self is supposedly "asleep" in this game I would think, but her future self returns to the past to stop Lezard. In essence, I think it is not so different to FF8's idea of time compression. The past and the future I think fit fine in terms of how the events pan out, but it's confusing.

  • I think that the possibility of it happening after VP1 is high because Brahms recognised Lenneth and Arngrim have no recollection of the past with Brahms even though his memories weren't being sealed like Lenneth.And if Lezard destroyed Odin in the past already,Lenneth would probably disappear since it was Odin who summoned her in VP1 in the first place,Lezard would probably disappear as well.Either way,storyline with Time involved is always messed up :P

  • Don't you mean before?

    In VP1 Brahms recognises Arngrim and Hrist, mentioning they've fought together in the past.

    Even Hrist mentions it to Arngrim.  This all happens in Brahms' castle when you go to retrieve Lenneth's "vessel" that Hrist has taken over (with the A ending sequence).

    I agree with you though. Odin must have been restored even though we don't see him. I think Arngrim's memory, what with being human, may just be a side effect of his reincarnation.

  • I kind of agree with you, especially since Rofus is now the leader of all the gods. Things would be much nicer with him in charge.

  • The timelines don't have to cohere. They could always just spin the two off into different universes entirely, meaning that the outcome is that Lezard is dead. Lenneth from VP1 goes home happy and Rufus takes over in the other reality.

  • Most likely the VP2 universe was created by the time machine as a means of creating the illusion of transport back and forth in time. Which means that Lenneth will not actually return to her original universe, but in her case it doesn't matter because people only live through her anyway.

  • y the hell is the title in english and the description is in japanese?

  • no thats chinese

  • i always get those 2 mixed up

  • ew why would Lezard be reincarnated, after all he's done you'd think he'd be in Nifelheim

  • Rufus is more compassionate than Odin, after all Rufus became the chief of the Gods

  • That Lezard is actually a non canon reincarnation, as a result of not using Valkyrie in the final fight.

  • yes that is Alica's reincarnation. if your wondering how exactly, just view the ending befor this.

  • Speaking of which, anybody heard about the VP coming out on the DS? Looks good, but yet again focusing on Lenneth. Dammit, I don't give a crap about Lenneth, I wanna see Rufus and Alicia reunite!!

  • I heard that VP2 had an alternate ending if you didn't use Valkyrie in the final fight, but I never knew what it was... Wow, I'm speechless.

    "Guess who's back, back again?" XP

    But I doubt he'll end up like before *cough* Lenneth stalker *cough* but to think, he's already that engrossed in books. *facepalm* Cripes... Not to mention getting to grow up w/Alicia. I just hope she and Rufus reunite in the future.

  • Let me clarify things for everybody:

    First: Lezard's reincarnation (0:08) is the alternate ending if you defeat Lezard without using Valkyrie.

    Second: The events you see here is an ALTERNATE reality and has nothing to do with the reality in VP1. In other words, this is NOT Flenceburg's Lezard. Reincarnation is not duplication

    Third: VP2 takes place 600 years before the events of VP1. Yet it isn't a true prequel because the events of VP1 had to have happened first. It's sort of cyclical.

  • Your third point doesn't hold water. When you mess with time, the "Chicken or Egg first?" question will arise. It is true that because of the present, the past is affected due to time travel. However, if the past is affected, and had its history changed, it is more than enough to say that the present will change as well(Ragnarok will not exist, Odin's already dead, and there won't be a "Lenneth X Lucian" relationship and the whole story of VP is void. We also do not know how time works in VP.)

  • well, lenneth came back in time to fix the changes in her own. so i supose the time lines stay seperate and slowly, eventualy merge. plus at the end of this scene it says the destinies mend the rifts in time. since lenneth never met wolther in vp1(accused) its probably a merged time line

  • Sorry for replying to a 5 month old comment. it doesnt seem that far back... This is an extract from Wikipedia

    "This is not the Lezard of that time period, however, and is in fact, one from an alternate future, the one seen in Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth. His involvements leads to the events in Silmeria, changing the timeline."

    So doesnt this means he is Lezard from Lenneth? Another obvious clue is his obvious obsession with Lenneth, which he is not really suppose to meet now?

  • Actually I think that this is the same Lezard, and that he was duplicated. The reason being that it makes "sense" in a sort of twisted way: because Lezard went back in time to before he was born, his existence had to be erased so that his soul could be born for the first time. This is his eternal fate, which is as twisted as he. "The soul is reborn and summoned countless times... and at the end of myriad rebirths, the demise of the soul awaits."

    "Such is the cycle of causality."

  • Actually. That Lezard is a non canon reincarnation which happens if you dont use Valkyrie in the final fight

  • Yes, you're probably right. Probably an ending which they planned and then decided to scratch, then decided to put in the extra footage anyhow as a bonus. Which I don't think I blame them because Lezard was awfully 2 dimensional. Funny that the guy who criticized others for remaining "static" wasn't able to grow himself.

  • it does make the most sense.

    and with the ending part as well, where it is talking about the future on lenneth's wings and all that time mending stuff.

    the actual act needed to fix this is the destruction of the time machine in that time.

    then Lezard would have never used it, and we would have a story in the future between Lezard and creator Lenneth.

  • I think this ending comes after completion of serapthic gates.

  • no, this ending appears after the credits, it dosn't matter if you made or not the Seraphic gate, it may change depending of how you defeated lezard (with or without valkyrie on the team), the kid reading the book (lezard) will appear on the scene only if you defeat lezard without valkyrie

  • No That was Lizard i noticed that when i went to another ending and noticed that he wasnt there the first time but the second he was

  • That Lezard is fake lol, look at the other epilogue videos you won't see him there :P

  • Actually this is the ending you get if you don't use Valkyrie in your party to defeat Lezard's final form. Its a legit video.

  • really?

    I used the Valkyrie and I got this ending...

    I swear I'm not lying... I think it's after the credits? I can't really remember well since I played it a long while...

  • Apart from Lezard sitting on the fence at the start, it's exactly the same

  • WHoa! I didnt even see him there and I seen this movie like 10 times.

  • I´m pleased that Alicia still live, even it is an reenarnation, great game.

  • yeah that's lezard, he was a kid at that time. the lezard died was from the future.

  • I think you're right!

    But I can remember Lenneth saying that Lezard is coming from the FAR future (200 years later or sth). And this scene isn't in THAT far time ^^

  • maybe it is

  • the events of VP2 take place 1000 years in the past. So, no, not the old lezard. Besides, it wouldn't make any sense since you only get this ending if you don't you Valkyrie.

    And then again the original Lezard is from Flencenburg! Not Coriander!

  • lucian is from coriander right :o?

  • both Lucian and Platina/Lenneth

  • It is never stated he was from flenceburg, as far as I remember, he only worked there...

  • in his profile, it states he's from flenceburg. And if you follow the story you know he studied there since he was a child. As Loretta specifies.

  • And he got kicked in the academy after the academy knows what he do to those poor school girls...

  • is this for real or its fake? anyone know if they are going to make a new valkyrie profile game?

  • well i saw on the internet an image of a valkyrie profile 3 hrist but im not sure if it is true but still...

  • I knew they couldn´t just destroy lezard's souls. I mean... it's Lezard!! for God's sake! Hahaha, he's alreayd reading books, to grow up into the same megalomaniac genius he once was.

  • That's the original Lezard, as a child. This is before he grew up and decided to get Lenneth for his own and go back in time and stuff. Because VP2 happens before VP. His soul will still end up in damnation in the end.

  • Lezard was from Flenceburg.

    And it's most likely that this is a reincarnation of Lezard. Even if it wasn't Odin is no more, so he won't send Lenneth to gather warriors from ragnarok, and Lezard is not going to meet her, and I doubt Rufus would leave the time machine in Dipan to let someone make the same mistake.... soo, sorry, but not

  • Lezard may be the next hero fo VP.......nah

  • If there's a VP3, I hope it is Valkyrie Profile: Hrist!

  • Thats not Lezard, thats Rufus.

  • stop at 0:08. you'll see a reincarnation of Lezard as a child, seating a book at right.

    the guy in the cloak is of course rufus :3

  • Ok I just seen him.

  • after watching the credits you can see this little crap movie

  • *SPOILERS* LoL, look whose sitting on teh rock reading a book like a li'l nerd :P Good ol' Lezard...

    Knew this a long time agoo... =)

  • wait so did this scene take place after the events with lezard? what i mean is , is that supposed to be a reincarnation of alicia or something or is this scene supposed to be an event that happend before rufus and alicia met ?

  • lol it was lezard, that was all for the different ending?

  • oh stop saying "him" and "he" and just say lezard already

    wish they made a A B C endings again and what we just saw (with alicia having to fade away and everything)was the C ending. The A ending would be something happier (but that may make somethings in vp lenneth awkward)

  • Right in the beginning, you will see someone sitting reading a book, that's the difference if you don't use a certain character that starts with V in the last boss.

    Now look at the guy reading right in the beginning, you should know who he is.

  • wahaha so "he" got reincarnated as well??

  • Since "he" came from the future originally, it's difficult to tell if he was reincarnated or that him before Valkyrie Profile Lenneth. Agh, I don't like this series. It's all so gloomy.

  • yea i hate the ending too the way VALKYRIE faded away... waaah its soo sad, wait about "him" he died in the past so i think its ok for him to get reincarnated?? wah im so confused

  • for anyone who watches it, just look at the right side, thats him, it isn't exactly a "second ending", just a little extra for all the "him" fans, a short cameo showing his "really young" self

  • is this a special ending or something because I got it on my first time of finishing it

  • watch it carefully please.VV

    just one point different in the video

  • it only shows a reincarnation of Lezard in this ending if you didn't use any Valkyries in the last battle.

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