@Strefanash Surely Messiaen listened to bird song more closely than you (and me, and everyone), he himself was an ornithologist. And this is music, a human production, it's not a "mechanical windup doll called bird song". I'm not sure if bird song could be called music, but it doesn't mind. (yes, I'm a Messiaen fan, but I'm not angry or trying to insult you)
@Strefanash so art cannot represent things that are found in real life? So I should tell da vinci that if I need to see a naked man, I would just look at myself?
It is in fact the essence of the birdsong that is preserved through this music. The physical aspects are different and fantasized, but the essence is beautifully obvious....
"Messiaen explained how his transcriptions of birdsong--nearly always based on field observation--had to be slowed, reduced in pitch and expanded uniformly in interval size of the necessities of human performers and listeners, and he likened his procedures to those of composers of musique concrète...the point was to exercise his own artistry, in company with birds, to celebrate with them, and to do so, as they did, extra-personally, to achieve a creaturely innocence in the rendering of nature."
"Messiaen explained how his transcriptions of birdsong--nearly always based on field observation--had to be slowed, reduced in pitch and expanded uniformly in interval size of the necessities of human performers and listeners, and he likened his procedures to those of composers of musique concrète...the point was to exercise his own artistry, in company with birds, to celebrate with them, and to do so, as they did, extra-personally, to achieve a creaturely innocence in the rendering of nature."
This is not the colocation of the orchestra advised by Messiaen. I suppose that it doesn't mind when you are listening to the music at home with the pc, but I think that the acoustical effect could be very different in the concert hall.
Wow. Of course it isn't. I must have been listening and not watching, though, of course, I should have listened more closely. Thanks for the correction.
Wow, totally different from the Boulez/Aimard rendition also posted on youtube. I like it though. These are really talented young players and Robertson is an smart conductor.
Robertson's chicken-like head movements make me sick.
MrStopthebullshit 3 months ago
Surely if Messaien closely listened to bird song he would realize that it could NEVER be imitated without killing the essence of it.
What he has done is to makle a mechanical windup doll and call it birdsong.
If I want birdsong I go outside, where the birds are
Strefanash 1 year ago
@Strefanash Surely Messiaen listened to bird song more closely than you (and me, and everyone), he himself was an ornithologist. And this is music, a human production, it's not a "mechanical windup doll called bird song". I'm not sure if bird song could be called music, but it doesn't mind. (yes, I'm a Messiaen fan, but I'm not angry or trying to insult you)
juanmaMCMLXXXII 1 year ago
@juanmaMCMLXXXII English is not my native language and sometimes I don't know if I'm being rude.
juanmaMCMLXXXII 1 year ago
@Strefanash so art cannot represent things that are found in real life? So I should tell da vinci that if I need to see a naked man, I would just look at myself?
It is in fact the essence of the birdsong that is preserved through this music. The physical aspects are different and fantasized, but the essence is beautifully obvious....
FungoBoy 9 months ago
"Messiaen explained how his transcriptions of birdsong--nearly always based on field observation--had to be slowed, reduced in pitch and expanded uniformly in interval size of the necessities of human performers and listeners, and he likened his procedures to those of composers of musique concrète...the point was to exercise his own artistry, in company with birds, to celebrate with them, and to do so, as they did, extra-personally, to achieve a creaturely innocence in the rendering of nature."
canteyodjaya76 4 months ago
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"Messiaen explained how his transcriptions of birdsong--nearly always based on field observation--had to be slowed, reduced in pitch and expanded uniformly in interval size of the necessities of human performers and listeners, and he likened his procedures to those of composers of musique concrète...the point was to exercise his own artistry, in company with birds, to celebrate with them, and to do so, as they did, extra-personally, to achieve a creaturely innocence in the rendering of nature."
canteyodjaya76 4 months ago
This is not the colocation of the orchestra advised by Messiaen. I suppose that it doesn't mind when you are listening to the music at home with the pc, but I think that the acoustical effect could be very different in the concert hall.
Anyway, I like this version.
juanmaMCMLXXXII 1 year ago
lol look at ol' girl on picc!
llamaboy9000 2 years ago
Way too fast. He's going ahead of Messiaen's tempo indication of eighth note = 69 bpm to 108 bpm.
minchoco1990 2 years ago
Very interesting Music! I Love It!
Foodstore101 3 years ago
Nice! Thanks. Nice to hear Aimard, too. Very nice ensemble/conductor. Can't you hear the united colors of Messiaen?
iwanttowatchsomethin 4 years ago
this isn`t aimard.
GreggaryPeccary 4 years ago
Wow. Of course it isn't. I must have been listening and not watching, though, of course, I should have listened more closely. Thanks for the correction.
iwanttowatchsomethin 4 years ago
Sigh... I would give my soul to the devil to get into this college and play there.
SnoopSanders 4 years ago
Wow, totally different from the Boulez/Aimard rendition also posted on youtube. I like it though. These are really talented young players and Robertson is an smart conductor.
Rhinegoldt 4 years ago
Good precise and slappy piano which is good for this piece.
VonRichter 4 years ago
the cunductor is also good
yogurt3000 4 years ago
Damn dude your a fucking beast on the piano bro!
hwalker84 4 years ago