Johann Nepomuk Hummerl Piano Concerto in A minor (1/4)

[jakubmamc]

I know this opinion, but it doesn't really sound similarly.

[ChopinLiszt150]

Sounds similar to Chopin's Concerto no.1.

[Deneb33]

@ChopinLiszt150 you're right: "Harold C. Schonberg, in The Great Pianists, writes 'the openings of the Hummel A minor and Chopin E minor concertos are too close to be coincidental.'"

[chobeethaninov]

These sound like a classical concerto with a Chopin-esque style...

[Cancrizans]

@chobeethaninov Except it was written earlier than Chopin. :P Hummel is definitely one of the most under appreciated composers if you look at quality. I find this concerto to be among the very best in the piano concerto repertoire, with no exceptions.

[claw7705]

so does this count as classical or romanesque?

[Cancrizans]

@claw7705 Who cares except some pedant`in junior college?

[Leitilumo]

So Mozart.

[abiescanadensis]

@Leitilumo

youre so right

[Cancrizans]

@immanueljoseph Hmm still trying to figure this out...this deviates from my score a lot, not particularly logically either...so far I've noticed a couple of "cadenza" like sections that don't really integrate into the piece either harmonically or logically. There also seems to be a few sections missing. I have a tendency to hallucinate though so please call me out if I am being crazy.

[Cherodar]

@Cancrizans I know many of the old recordings (in fact, I think all of the ones before Stephen Hough) have some pretty substantial cuts in them, perhaps partly just because of technical difficulty. Perhaps you have a score with cuts in it? Because I have a score of the piece too (from IMSLP) and this recording matches it perfectly.

[Cancrizans]

@Cherodar That's possible but the recording I have cuts from about 7:35 to 7:48...and there are other sections which are played differently...in the above case it can't be a technical issue as that stretch is far from being the roughest part of the piece. Anyway, I should give my recording another listen and pay more attention to the differences. Cheers!

[Cherodar]

@Cancrizans Yes that's true, I guess it's not usually so much about technical difficulty as about later people's ideas on how to improve Hummel's music, since he's not often considered a "great" composer and thus people may feel more OK tampering with what he wrote. I don't know whether it's because it's what I heard first and am used to or simply because Hummel actually is a great composer (which I believe he is), but I find his music far more satisfying when played as originally written.

[Cancrizans]

Curious what others think, around 7:35, this recording seems to go into a cadenza like sideline a bit different from the other recording I have; it seems to lead back into a somewhat awkward modulation into the concerto...is this improvised or is my recording cut in some way?

[Cancrizans]

@immanueljoseph You probably mean you got the score, worked through it a bit and said holy shit this is a lot of concerto right here eh? This piece is a ton of piano playing, if you honestly have any insight into it, feel free to post any passages you have mastered as it will certainly enlighten the Youtube piano community.

[TheCocolocuelo]

awesomee!

[Cancrizans]

Hey just curious, having listened to this recording through, it seems decidedly different in parts from the recording I am familiar with....are there several versions of the score or?

[Goje24]

So Chopin was before Hummel? Or was Hummel ( Hummerl) before Chopin? That's the Q

[karlakor]

The Chopin Concerto in E minor is remarkably similar to this! The themes are very nearly the same. It is a shame that Hummel has fallen into such oblivion, because some of his works are worth hearing today.

[mercatorize]

This one Hummel concerto is superior to the two of Chopin !

[obdeniye]

What is the meaning of the floating sea cow here?

[1980NewWave]

Those thirds beginning at 7:42....so difficult.

[2009xellos]

btw, Mozart taught, housed Hummel for free for 2 years

[2009xellos]

@immanueljoseph

these are the minorkey concertos of Hummel, Mozart, Chopin - (do you see the first 6 letters of the alphabet arranged in proper order?)

Hummel piano concerto in A minor

Hummel piano concerto in B minor

Mozart piano concerto in C minor K.491

Mozart piano concerto in D minor K.466

Chopin piano concerto in E minor Op.11

Chopin piano concerto in F minor Op.21

[Cherodar]

@2009xellos Haha, add Dussek's G minor concerto and you have the full musical alphabet!

[2009xellos]

that seal looks like Hummel - just kidding!

[Miricene]

Does anybody know if all the piano concertos by Hummel are recorded? I have got the piano and violin's and four different of them, this one in A minor, in two different performances. But I cannot find references, even on the Internet.

[WelshSaddler]

Lovely recording, many thanks for posting it. The concerto as a whole is very demanding technically (try and get the conclusion to the last movement!!!), and other recordings tend to miss out great chunks of "difficult to play" music. This version is as near perfection as you'll get.

[kv466]

Wonderful concerto! And no one does it better than Hough...Hummel is an excellent composer.

[javiclarinetero]

Hummel fue alumno de Mozart, vivio con el en su casa cuando era pequeño mientras este le daba clase , por eso compone tan bien.

[purplepeoplepurple]

A factual tidbit - I'm reading a biography of Schumann at the moment. In his early years as a composer, this piece was his model of what a virtuoso should compose and perform to make his name. And Moschele's's Alexander Variations. It would be just about the time Schumann was first encountering Chopin, before Chopin's piano concerto.

[Desmonddd2002]

People say it is simular to Chopin's piano concerto... But I don't think so, Chopin has more and more deeper in feelings, very deeper, and much wiser, though this is also a good piece.

[Astardis]

I have always liked Hummel and this concert is not even the best he wrote in my opinion. Everybody feel free to check out his concertos in E and A-flat. And about the outshining Chopin thing... that's relatively easy to do. Chopin was a great pianist but very limited as far as the "technical" issues of composing are concerned, whereas Hummel was taught by Mozart and Salieri among others...

[EuropeanArchive]

Thanks, this concerto is a small masterpiece. Very slick orchestration. In this respect he outshines Chopin.

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[jbs4em]

this is fantastic, i hadnt noticed how similar the opening of chopin's 1st concerto is to this. its interesting to see such influence from hummel shining through in the chopin concerto.

[pjny123]

Brilliant, lyrical and thrilling - both the pianist and the piece. Thank you so much for this!

[CharlieDraper]

Spectacular!