The Making Of Images & Words - Finishing Drum Tracks

[sunnylee84]

i have this DVD :-P :)

[confu5edfella]

@sunnylee84 What's the name of this DVD or wherever the footage is from?

[sunnylee84]

@confu5edfella Live In Tokyo 1993. It comes as 2-pack with Once In A Livetime (c) 1999. It re-released on DVD from VHS as 2-pack in 2004

[Chorofonfilo]

This video is so cool. I can't believe that Mike and John P. don't talk to each other anymore. That sucks

[goodygoody23]

It's too bad they filmed their old videos through a donkey, it would have been cool to see some HQ footage

[prographaeL]

IMAGES AND WORDS is one of the best albuns of history of music !

[progrhythmical]

@Zurab melua it wasn't his choice to trigger. He hated having to use samples. The drum sound images wasn't his choice either. He and Jp got TRUE creative freedom on Scenes and on. That's when the drum sound got amazing and STAYED AMAZING!

[holydiver7190]

@progrhythmical are you kidding me? the drum sound they had on images and words is the best drum sound they ever had. the whole production on that album is amazing. i wish they could return to that sound

[sunnylee84]

@holydiver7190 it's triggers. they suck, even tho Images & Words is a bible of Prog Metal 90s. David Prater was producer and he did only commercial sounding artists so he insisted to use triggers. Mike was very mad on him so they recorded Awake with Purdell in LA (RIP), but Atlantic wanted more hits like Pull Me Under and they recorded A Change Of Seasons with Prater again but this time without triggers and compressing. Mike was pissed again coz Prater cut lots of original too :)

[ZurabMelua]

WWAHH why did you have to trigger the snare drum mike!?

[Amaru87]

@ZurabMelua to be honest, I love how the triggered snare sounds.

[elgordonet20]

I can't believe how fast time goes by... it's been 20 years since this recording and I only 17.

[PrestonTocco]

4:11 THE ONE AND ONLY WORD JOHN MYUNG HAS EVER SAID!

[JustinSyn]

listenin' to tha citeh, whisperin' its violence! >:D

[agagapesta]

This ending is much better than the one of the album!

[JiMxtreme]

What does John Myung say at 4.10? ...touchdown?

[iTzDreamTheater]

@JiMxtreme Probably, as he makes the touchdown hand motions.

[milganalexandernarva]

jajajaja!

HAPPY END?!!!

jajajaja

[Tonatiuth]

Holly 90s

[plakata1]

I do not believe in God, but Mike Portnoy was meant to play drums, and I am happy he does so :D - Actually, I just love those guys. Make me another album!! Pronto. And do it Octavarium style! :D Like their music or not -- to say that those guys lack some kind of particular musical skill is ignorant. They are far beyond most ppl in the commanding of their instruments. And I also want to state that I really liked Kevin Moore, and I really like Jordan Rudess. Can't say nothing bad about DT.

[Martigena]

I never knew any video footage of the I&W sessions existed! It's really weird and interesting to hear Mike's drumming as it actually sounded in the studio, rather than David Prater's triggered atrocity that we hear on the album. And despite the low sound quality of this video, this pretty much destroys Prater's claim that the triggering was necessary because Mike couldn't play consistent downbeats on the snare.

[VincentVangoria]

@Martigena it was probably just an issue with sound quality

[Martigena]

@VincentVangoria Nah, in the book Lifting Shadows, Prater directly addresses Portnoy, telling him that his snare "sounded like faeces" and that it was "virtually impossible to get [his] snare to maintain a consistent prominence without having to constantly ride the fader level." He also calls Portnoy's drumming "cluttered".

So although the quality of this video isn't brilliant, I think it shows that Prater's comments amount to nothing more than arrogance and jealousy.

[fmbighair]

the fill at 1:04 is a really cool syncapation.... The only thing that sucked about this album was the horrible triggered snare, it had waaaay to much attack...

[mechajabo]

@fmbighair I agree completely

[Randyolsson]

why are people writing that it's constant motion ? its learning to live... after the "dance" part.

[xmEeLx]

@Randyolsson Because this part sounds like constant motion :)

[edthehead83]

God why did the record people insist on triggering so much of the drums on this album? It was perfect without the triggers.

[osmosis2259]

constant motion at 2:52 :) haha

[scylla019]

guys constant motion was written 7 albums later what are you guys talking about !!! haha

[sater3400]

WTF!! 4:32 xD

[guitarmhm]

OMG, was that really John Myung at 4:09??? He stood up for the camera..

[ybbuch08]

haha constant motion at 2:52. .

John Myung at 4:08

they alyays do th "Miller Time" haha

[m0tionlessskull]

-.-"

dude constant motion, was written like years later.

[VincentVangoria]

LOL at 2:52 at first I thought the music was "constant motion" and I was like "WTF thats 15 years later!" haha

[VincentVangoria]

sooo.. would somebody please explain why they cut out that part at 1:50 out from Learning to Live???? that was EPIC!! lmao

[Starcruiser81]

Wow, this video captures a piece of the defining moment for Dream Theater, and modern music history. Images and Words is still my favorite album, even after 9 more albums that followed. There is an extremely magical feeling to the music and the time. The following album, Awake was nearly the same in writing style and musical feel.

[jalland]

Moore's influence?

[Starcruiser81]

Yeah, Kevin Moore enhanced the mood of the music and gave the band more of an art-rock sound rather than the newer progressive-metal sound. I like the newer sound and writing but the artistic creativeness has been lost to super heavy insanely complex long songs, that also make DT the technical musical gods!

[mortenhen]

I agree... Images and words is the best album ever, but I know that Jordan Rudess isn't the only reason they changed. Both Jordan and JP is doing those endless fast solos, they both changed their music. But if you see beyond those solos, Jordan really knows how to make their music epic. Like the end of The count of tuscany, lyrics aint good.. but the music is the most epic 5 minutes dream theater have produced since scenes from a memory imo :)

[abstract37]

LOL when they play the circus-themed thingy at about 2:00, that's ironically what they play at the end of their 1987 tape of "A Fortune in Lies" with Dominici

[johnpetrucci42]

When they played this (Learning to Live) on the SFAM DVD it was such a special...what am I saying...that whole DVD was a special. BTW love the spontaneous jam at the end...

[crashrevival]

o my.. always with his beastly drum sets

[camiraun]

Learning to live is magical

[sunnylee84]

@camiraun John Myung is the man! and he play 4-string Warwick on that one :)

[Loganator456]

what is the song at 2:57?

[Axis82]

the end of learning to live as it was recorded

[coffeeintheface]

They should try playing that live sometime at the end sometime, just for fun.

[Pimbmaster]

why can't I watch this video!?

WHY GOD!?

Please upload it again?

[apexfracture]

it was kevin moor on this album

[speakthewordfool]

yes

[fizzlebug]

Whats the name of the first song?

[Aisse]

Learning to Live

[Chespiron]

Jordan Ruddes Always Recording hahahaha

[tropicalmadness]

kevin moore was the keyboardist at the time

[crysis369]

you idiot rudess joined DT in 1999 this is from '92

[buldr3k]

:)

You are confusing some dates...

When kevin moore left the band, they did auditions for new keyboard players. Jordan took the place, but only for a short period of time and a very few shows! Then he left and derek sherinian was hired till 1998, when jordan rejoined the band (see the score XX documentary for more info)

Cheers

[delspd]

After Kevin moore left DT wanted Jordan to join the band but he was busy with his own band So they had to hire Derek After the Liquid Tension Experiment Jordan agreed joined the band I think.

[Destruktive]

Jordan joined in '99.

[andrewv42]

lol wtf?

[litox1993]

That was a joke man, i think you dont understand that...

[thenextbig]

yeahh wad did myung say?!

[DragonJediMik]

touchdown? idk...

[jimmy15stonedrummmad]

ei man that is good.but the unbelievable is that i see him playing shaved!!!!!!!!!!!i had never seen him like this before!

[Spazman173]

Woah, where did you get this footage?

[satanicteatowel]

Haha 4:04 kevin looks like jason newsted

[Troochie2010]

I&W= Masterpiece.

[888erkan888]

Yes, i think that it was the other drumset that he had thru the late teenyears that hes granma bought for him. This set he worked in many jobs, such as chinese-food-dilevery-boy to get. You can read this on hes web.

[weirdeddy]

1:52 : Hilarious !

[deathnightboy]

what the hell is myung say?

[casaroli]

lol

that's not even CLOSE to how Learning to Live ends (1:53)

[dangerale]

It's because they faded the song so that part isn't heard on the CD.

[coffeeintheface]

Is that comical part really the original outro? Sounds like some goofy cartoonish part from LTE, like the outro to Universal Mind.

[888erkan888]

Th trigged snare kinda destroyed a musically part on Images and words, for me. The drumsound overall is not so good either. I know that DT doesn´t have anything to do with the sound. One of my favoritemixings is Awake. So different.

[888erkan888]

By the way( my english is bad) but whats a "trigger". some kind of microphone?

[AdamDallas]

A trigger is when you hit something, and it 'triggers' another sound, like an electronic drum kit would. So if mike has one set up on his snare, when he hits the snare it triggers an electronic sound, which is why all the snare hits on that album sound the same

[canman87]

Not quite. Basically, they take a recorded sample and every time the piece with that trigger is hit, rather than the actual sound being recorded, it puts that sample on the recording at that time stamp.

[pearldrums000]

Mike seriously had to have been on crack...

[AdamDallas]

It looks like his nose is bleeding at 2:27

[888erkan888]

it´s problably just the lights above him and a bad camera that makes it look like that. Dream Theater have never(99.99.99.99% sure) take any drugs.

[zddoodah]

You need to read the Lifting Shadows book that came out last year. Mike did his fair share of drugs (something he'll readily admit). I don't think any of the other guys did (at least not with any sort of regularity).

[AlabamaManWhore]

I'm too fucking high to buy it.

[AdamDallas]

I really wish he didn't put triggers on the snare on that album..

[pearldrums000]

he didn't want to, its the producer's fault, but at the time they didn't have any leverage to FORCE the producer not to put the triggers on.

[AdamDallas]

That's a good point. I also heard that he spent all of his money on the rest of the kit, and was left with a crappy snare so he had to trigger it as it was really poor.. Sounds good enough here though

[ai4281]

Portnoy.. a man who acquired everything on the drums

[zildjian8]

as a matter of fact, portnoy bought that drumset with a little help from his grandma, he didn't have any endorses at that time

[drunkhas]

he also work three jobs to buy it

[toogoodformusic]

Oh my God!! John Myung actually said something voluntarily!

[mrmike92]

And the end is soooooooo cool dude!

[M1nstr3l]

the learning to live studio version should be sooo much longer...

[metabog]

Wow this is the first time i'm seeing the I&W kit!

[zildjian8]

it's the same kit mike uses for awake, he also used it to record some tracks from falling to infinity, this kit is also the same he used throughout his berkley's days and majesty days as well!!!!!, his grandma actually bought this kit for him, he still has it in his basement

[metabog]

His grandma bought him a monster kit with 100345934539 cymbals and drums? :D i want his grandma.

[zildjian8]

she probably bought him a part of it while he bought the other part, it's on the dream theater book, I'll quote it later today if I have time

[professornutbutter10]

Mike used a Mapex for Awake/A Change of Seasons...

[pvofbodom]

o myung falou

caralho xD

[Poliquetos]

aeuhauehuaehuaheuaheuh caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarai que massaaaaaaaaa meu irmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Os caras sao divertidos demais!!

AMO O DT!!!

[pumpknz]

Nossa

Animal

nunca tinha visto isso

Valew

[favilla]

caralho mto foda! hahuahuahua

rarissimo isso ai! mandou bem em postar!