Picking a colour is the hardest part of Magic :) Best thing to do is go buy a booster, there should be cards from all colours in there(only had one booster that didnt, no blacks :( ) Just read a few of em and whatever looks appealing go with it, I know a few people who do this for new deck ideas. GL and remember to have fun :)
I've always been a Black/Green guy myself, I built up a deck based around summoning heaps of small creature quickly, then sacrificing them to get big one out
My red deck would destroy you all! I have a 7/1 Elemental token with Trample and Haste (I do have spells to summon it) and the new Chandra Ablaze planeswalker card.
My friend has an 11/11 with trample and spells that copy it, when he starts to be serious he immediatly has 2 11/11's and 2 10/10's, damn, its no fun playing card games with him after he bought that 1000 pack of amazon...
@harvythewondergerbil I agree. But people can understand video games. One time I was at school, and I seen these kids sitting in a damn circle playing this crap. All the fine girls were laughing at them.
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@knowledge561 I don't believe that I was punishing you, I just find it iritating that people post negative comments on videos without explaining why it sucks... Like, why don't you give me a good concrete and solid reason why it sucks? I am happy to accept that it does if you can tell me why
@supertraikern Well, I just don't like the mana pool concept. Too pokemon like. I played it before. It was fun but it bored me quickly. But im not gonna argue anymore. If u like it, than do your thing.
@knowledge561 Sure :3 But I sorta agree, to be honest, duel masters was more fun... But hey, who am I to talk? Sorry if I am irritating you btw. (-Note- My strategy in duel masters was complete overpower, which was physically impossible in magic because you cant put creatures in you mana zone)
Hey, i'm new to magic and I was just wondering how much the theme decks they are talking about are. I would be really appreciate it if someone told me=)
Strip Mine, Sinkhole, Hymn to Tourach, Juzam Djinn, Demonic Hordes, blam blam blam your fuckin dead. Check out that Vintage shit. You will never beat a proper black deck.
there is no max amount but you don't want it to be too big or too small. I like to have around 40 (give or take) creatures, spells, and artifacts in total. then i'd add maybe 11-14 corresponding lands. for a total of around 60 which is my deck size. Hope this helped
Green Black and Red would be just fine. Just make sure that you have around 60 cards and you can develop a theme around them. You could start by throwing red spells to speed it up and then work your way up to green to trample the enemy
hey i have a question i bought a future sight theme deck and it has 60 cards then i bought a tenthXedition the red one and it has onli 40 cards... so can i play with 40 cards??
:] Agreed! I shut down my friends every time with just blue. My friend has a green starter, but I decided to just buy a bunch of boosters and created a blue.
It's up to you. From what I understand, they're just re-defining some terms and throwing some new ones out there. I guess it might be easier to wait? I don't know.
All the black cards art is just bad as shit. Is the Plague card still used? I remember the art on the card was just awsome to look at. Alot of death and evil with the black cards I remember.
Hmmm.... the White one sounds like me or blue.... maybe white. But the mana thing confuses me??? I don't get it so you use one colorless mana obtained from any land to play that card and then 2 black mana thing obtained from swamps???
That's right. See how at the top it has the symbols for two swamps, and then before it is 1, that means you can tap any land, be it swamp, mountain, island, plains, in order to summon that creature.
yeah, i wanted to, but the game store where i bought them didnt have that deck anymore, so i bought the grixis undead junior pack, which feateres black, red and blue cards.
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since Im a geek and i cant have a girlfriend, and I will spent most of my life as a virgin, then this game is for me? and will make me happy and keep me happy as these dudes? mmmmm? anyone ;P
just cause your a geek dosent mean u cant have a girlfriend im one of the biggest geeks in my school and i have a very beautiful girlfriend so dont worry we can have girlfriends and be geeks but we might be virgins 4 a while :(
The symbols in the top right corner of the card indicate its mana cost - the card shown has a "1" and two Skulls. The skulls represent mana gained from swamps (black lands) specifically while the 1 (or any other number) represents colourless mana - that is to say it can come from any land be it a swam, mountain, plains, island or forest.
Question guys- I picked up one of these premade decks and its cool and all but it seems impossible to start another deck without buying another pemade deck. Because boosterpacks are all mixed so i can only use like 1 or 2 cards for my deck and the rest are fire or whatever else i dont use. So should i just buy a premade deck of every theme then buy boosters?
my uncle and his son showed me this game. I just played my first game yesterday and i loved it. I almost won a 3 way battle but my uncle went and surprise me and had an earth quake. I loved playing so much.
I have buyed a theme deck from Lorwyn . Kithkin Militia....and is only with light , with what theme deck or starter i can combinate it? plz give me a reply someone
Magic the gathering is arguably the first trading card game.All the others (pokemon, Yugioh, etc.) drew inspiration from Magic.I'm waiting for the next original card game.
YEAH!!! I'm KAMIKAZE and a goodguy.......
oh damn... black white don't mix.
Carmelloification 1 year ago
@WillKill4Weed LMAO!!!!
kempfy2369 1 year ago
White = Gaining Life/Protection
Blue = Countering
Black = Instant Creature Kills/Fear
Red = Direct damage to player
Green = Mass creature summon/power
Colorless = Mass power up/support
sakamatana5 1 year ago
every colour is good with the right cards
MCShockwave3 1 year ago
and of course with the right player :D
MCShockwave3 1 year ago
Green = Bud
WillKill4Weed 1 year ago
well i like seacreatures and that stuff so is blue my fav :D
philusesperus 1 year ago
light/blue= awsome!
xXxtaureanxXx 2 years ago
@xXxtaureanxXx
My favorite to.
Slowergrass432 1 year ago
im thinking of stating i wana build a twilight deck will that be good
moneybags133 1 year ago
Black = greatness..
Demonhunter8908 2 years ago
@Demonhunter8908 Agreed
sakamatana5 1 year ago
do they come in 60 card deck
rorobeast123 2 years ago
"requires literacy" lol
losersalwayswin 2 years ago
ha ya im trying to get alot better too
BOBOWNAGE 2 years ago
Picking a colour is the hardest part of Magic :) Best thing to do is go buy a booster, there should be cards from all colours in there(only had one booster that didnt, no blacks :( ) Just read a few of em and whatever looks appealing go with it, I know a few people who do this for new deck ideas. GL and remember to have fun :)
BlazeOfElements 2 years ago
ya it seems complicated when you watch pros play cause they have crap all over the place haha
BOBOWNAGE 2 years ago
ha ya i learned it on my own,you can find the rule book on the magic the gathering website or find it on google!
BOBOWNAGE 2 years ago
wtf he wont teach you? lol
BOBOWNAGE 2 years ago
hey where is a good game store for in lima ohio
27whitemagic 2 years ago
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hahaha talk about fucking dorks! Have fun being single for the rest of your lives!
Stop2BopMeHo 2 years ago
@Stop2BopMeHo alecia is hot! she plays magic.
TheEndSkyress 2 years ago
Funny. Im engaged and I still play Magic. Go back to Yugioh creep :)
BlazeOfElements 2 years ago
if u saw my comment on the last video. im choosing 2 decks to start. any suggestions on that.
TheEndSkyress 2 years ago
I've always been a Black/Green guy myself, I built up a deck based around summoning heaps of small creature quickly, then sacrificing them to get big one out
MaddestHatterFilms 2 years ago
@MaddestHatterFilms if you want heaps of small creatures, shouldnt white be your colour.
TheEndSkyress 2 years ago
apparently, but i've found black has a better varitation of small and large-that-need-sacrifice creatures
MaddestHatterFilms 2 years ago
is that the guy that won worlds 2009?
EsperPhinx 2 years ago
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ChainChompMike 1 year ago
My red deck would destroy you all! I have a 7/1 Elemental token with Trample and Haste (I do have spells to summon it) and the new Chandra Ablaze planeswalker card.
MonsterFire13 2 years ago
My friend has an 11/11 with trample and spells that copy it, when he starts to be serious he immediatly has 2 11/11's and 2 10/10's, damn, its no fun playing card games with him after he bought that 1000 pack of amazon...
supertraikern 2 years ago
at knowleged dude your a loser man!!! NOOB!!!
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who ever plays this is a loser, lmao
knowledge561 2 years ago
@knowledge561 I don't play, but I don't see it as any different from playing a video game or something.
harvythewondergerbil 2 years ago 2
@harvythewondergerbil I agree. But people can understand video games. One time I was at school, and I seen these kids sitting in a damn circle playing this crap. All the fine girls were laughing at them.
knowledge561 2 years ago
this isn't crap, and besides if you hate it, then don't watch this and mind your own business.
MagicDota 2 years ago
@MagicDota Yes it is. I can watch and say anything I want.
knowledge561 2 years ago
@knowledge561 then why are you on the video, suppose you have nothing better to do than look at videos explaining how to play a game you despise eh'?
supertraikern 2 years ago 2
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Because I ran into the video while I was looking for something and decided to write my comment on it. I have my rights to say watever i want and not get punished.
knowledge561 2 years ago
@knowledge561 I don't believe that I was punishing you, I just find it iritating that people post negative comments on videos without explaining why it sucks... Like, why don't you give me a good concrete and solid reason why it sucks? I am happy to accept that it does if you can tell me why
supertraikern 2 years ago 2
@supertraikern Well, I just don't like the mana pool concept. Too pokemon like. I played it before. It was fun but it bored me quickly. But im not gonna argue anymore. If u like it, than do your thing.
knowledge561 2 years ago
@knowledge561 Sure :3 But I sorta agree, to be honest, duel masters was more fun... But hey, who am I to talk? Sorry if I am irritating you btw. (-Note- My strategy in duel masters was complete overpower, which was physically impossible in magic because you cant put creatures in you mana zone)
supertraikern 2 years ago
@supertraikern this is harder than duel masters. but pretty much the same. a few differences.
TheEndSkyress 2 years ago
Shame...
GamerzMedia 2 years ago
green!!!!!
blackman2462 2 years ago 2
SPIDER DECK IS AWESOME!!!!!
IceGod23 2 years ago
Glomwidow?
Taehc 2 years ago
i built a fuckin rat deck
comedyvsaction 2 years ago 5
me too lol, not alot of people use rats, and there vicious, thats why i use them lol!!!
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ThePhatKidd 2 years ago
*take off the Mycologist
xD
MrBigC666 2 years ago
I'm working on a Green/White deck, fungus/saproling maker, hahahahhaha...
I'm thinking on take the Mycologist and put Mycoloth on the main deck, since I got 4 Essence Warden to do the Mycologist job =D
MrBigC666 2 years ago
so it is yust like duel monsters XD
FairyBe11 2 years ago
NO, duel monsters is just like this.
cryozo 2 years ago
!!!!Troll Detected!!!!
5731n 2 years ago
very very cool!!!!!
07Tiago70 2 years ago
i have a blue,white,black artifact deck thats nearly unstoppable.ive beaten sliver decks with it.
and im working on a red,green deck
Nickelbaby133 2 years ago
i just made my zombie mill deck it's amazing
masterhoesay14 2 years ago
I got the blue magic 2010 starter set. Its realy good. It has some dark magic mixed in it as well.
sammyslamdunk 2 years ago
eheh i have one of that too...
I don't like the way of the blue cards they need to much strategy and i don't like that i just want power to destroy my oponents. :P
I love some sorceries like Deathmark...;D
So i will do a Black and Red deck...
nelsom19 2 years ago
Actually, a blue and black combination makes a great control deck
sammyslamdunk 2 years ago
i've got one of those ready made blue/black ones, Mortal coil (Shadowmoor).
it's nice.
Arnkellj 2 years ago
i use a black n red burn ressurection deck xD
i love black n red
burn is awesome
G0th1kCh1ld 2 years ago
i play standard "soldier white" fast kill and many tokens ^^
nightcrow90 2 years ago
Green sounds cool
zombieninja28 2 years ago
i use a red and white deck cuz red for cobat for quick kill and white to kep my health up
dumbdude55 2 years ago
i wish there was any yugioh/magic the gathering/duel masters card stores in my city
xxxREDOXxxx 2 years ago
i play all of them :P
JFFjustforfun 2 years ago
If it's a pretty big city you could open it and organize tournaments =)
Margalus89 2 years ago
nah, i live in a small brazilian city
xxxREDOXxxx 2 years ago
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How BA can u be...ur playing MAGIC!!!! fag
MrDarthReaven 2 years ago
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fagges
Skyler1691 2 years ago
"one giant card" ~ Rofl
I use a hybrid deck of green and black maybe.
Lordx1495 2 years ago
lol
Lordx1495 2 years ago
a white and blue deck is a control deck.
jaededify 2 years ago
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no point u waste so much cash on 5hit
biglandboy11 2 years ago
i got 5 pure 1 colour decks green red blue white and black if u wanna kill quick in 4 turns choose red
aragenn 2 years ago
I am all for blue and green together because they are kick ass together and I have a frien that plays he has all of the colors
SmallBoyPrductions 2 years ago
black is so me kamkazie yes yes yes!!!!
although blue manipulation and stuff sounds good to :) mwahahaha
rono243 2 years ago
im going to be a green magic guy you wont stop me when i have this huge army
jaededify 2 years ago
I use either a green elf dec or a red goblin deck
kittypetro 2 years ago
I am all for blue i love fucking manipulating people
Sk8erboi0700 2 years ago
Well, there are no more mono(one) color theme decks in standard play. But a pre-constructed deck runs at 11.99 i believe.
Burningdemon23 2 years ago
Hey, i'm new to magic and I was just wondering how much the theme decks they are talking about are. I would be really appreciate it if someone told me=)
coltonandersonn 2 years ago
like 12-14 bucks
choplsuey 2 years ago
"its bad ass, like me"
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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ManoftheBats 2 years ago
Strip Mine, Sinkhole, Hymn to Tourach, Juzam Djinn, Demonic Hordes, blam blam blam your fuckin dead. Check out that Vintage shit. You will never beat a proper black deck.
myyyleee 2 years ago
can u mix a bunch of colors?
truthbetoldify 2 years ago
11-14 lands is too few. I use atleast 22
kymike232323 2 years ago 2
wats the max amount of cards u can have
geneticbeefTV 2 years ago
there is no max amount but you don't want it to be too big or too small. I like to have around 40 (give or take) creatures, spells, and artifacts in total. then i'd add maybe 11-14 corresponding lands. for a total of around 60 which is my deck size. Hope this helped
azujw15 2 years ago
in standard you can have as much as you want as long as you can shuffle your deck without assistance
RandalStadler 2 years ago
omg that guy is so hot :) i love his earrings
EloteEtoile 2 years ago
I think that the black white deck is interesting considering they are opposite of one another. Opposites attract as they say
FnHilarious101 2 years ago
can u combine decks and still have a good strategyu/? cause i like fire and earth
iJafa 2 years ago
Oh yea. Green and Red go really good together since they are allied colors.
FnHilarious101 2 years ago
oh sweet....would Green Red, and small amount of black be good? or should i just be green and red?
iJafa 2 years ago
Green Black and Red would be just fine. Just make sure that you have around 60 cards and you can develop a theme around them. You could start by throwing red spells to speed it up and then work your way up to green to trample the enemy
FnHilarious101 2 years ago
sweet...thanks for the advice...
iJafa 2 years ago
yah!! sometimes its better than a single color deck! and sometimes not.
kooldudeman12 2 years ago
way to teach the begginers, kikass vid lads!
TalesofMTG 2 years ago
Blue and Green sounds like a good deck build.
IzanagiProductions 2 years ago 2
I bet that guy on the right get sooo many girls. I cant wait to start up playing :)
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OnlineEnabled 2 years ago
black and blue
reaction117 2 years ago
hey i have a question i bought a future sight theme deck and it has 60 cards then i bought a tenthXedition the red one and it has onli 40 cards... so can i play with 40 cards??
rubyrocksox 2 years ago
No, you need 60, man. :]
That wasn't a theme deck, it was an intro pack.
Comes with 40 cards, and a booster.
Good luck getting it up to 60, and have fun. :]
MugenMuffin 2 years ago
the cards looks so cool
i bough a deck but never
knew how to play lol thats
why i'm watching this
nhiavang16 2 years ago
i play a white deck with ajani goldmane and Akroma, Angel of Wrath .
And my second deck, a black deck with lord of the pit and reiver demon
Petronas96 2 years ago
im a mix wizard plainswalker but my fave is blue
yugiohmanmaster 2 years ago
i might start magic i had probly $1000+ dollers in yu-gi-oh cards but some one stole them D:
leetdragon7 2 years ago
THANKS FOR TELLING ME ABOUT MAGIC
mchelepre 2 years ago
LOL he likes to read the flavor text before he smashes his opponents
WaffleBakingStar 2 years ago
In my circle of friends we do a similar thing. We get each-other to try to guess how dead they are from the flavour text.
Eagle0600 2 years ago
Tsabo Tavoc has flavor text perfect for guessing like that, haha.
WaffleBakingStar 2 years ago
Blue and Green - Brains and Bron in one.
Fogglebeast13 2 years ago
artifact and blue owns
moand0r 2 years ago
green mofo
WailordLvX 2 years ago
FUCK THE BEST ARE BLACK AND RED!
NicKerPsico 2 years ago
Black and Green... :p
AmiableAdder 2 years ago
Black and Green!!!!!! lol
take1418 2 years ago
red and white owns!
guitarmanxtreme 2 years ago
That Brandon kid is hot and geeky... my favorite kind of guy! <3
AlySweetDissonance 2 years ago
you're sexy
WaffleBakingStar 2 years ago
lmao... well thanks
AlySweetDissonance 2 years ago
white and black
calebofthetower 2 years ago
i mix white and green
theshleckman4390 2 years ago
i like blue mixed with black. or just blue.
SolidSnakeMirage 2 years ago
:] Agreed! I shut down my friends every time with just blue. My friend has a green starter, but I decided to just buy a bunch of boosters and created a blue.
ItsRagnarYo 2 years ago
i like white and black build them out then throw them bodies at my foe ( so to speak) um maybe shouldn't given away my strategy
KikuhitoBokai 2 years ago
white ftw..
atmycomputer1 2 years ago
gogo white deck. :D
DeathmenRa 2 years ago
I really want to get me the Jace Beleren Planeswalker!
whiteplague07 2 years ago
You can buy them for between £10 - £15 on ebay.
Stevokidd 2 years ago
I have three they are not that amazing.
EXDarkria 2 years ago
i like using well really all kinds of cards but my favoret ones are the blue mixed with white
pimsleur26 2 years ago
i like blue mixed with green.
Espeonpwnsuall 2 years ago
Blue/green deck? I think that you don`t see blue/green deck so often =) Nice, what it is about? Which creatures you use? =)
Lukikuku 2 years ago
the blue says NO, and the green says MINE!
Espeonpwnsuall 2 years ago
I wonder if I should wait for the Magic 2010 set to come out before starting to play.
Korttimies 2 years ago
It's up to you. From what I understand, they're just re-defining some terms and throwing some new ones out there. I guess it might be easier to wait? I don't know.
redmetal13 2 years ago
All the black cards art is just bad as shit. Is the Plague card still used? I remember the art on the card was just awsome to look at. Alot of death and evil with the black cards I remember.
doesyourgodcomeinaca 2 years ago
Hmmm.... the White one sounds like me or blue.... maybe white. But the mana thing confuses me??? I don't get it so you use one colorless mana obtained from any land to play that card and then 2 black mana thing obtained from swamps???
XTwyliteX 2 years ago
That's right. See how at the top it has the symbols for two swamps, and then before it is 1, that means you can tap any land, be it swamp, mountain, island, plains, in order to summon that creature.
pisisamio7 2 years ago
The black deck sounds right up my alley.
doesyourgodcomeinaca 2 years ago
im about to buy a deck, and i cant decide between black and red...
SirEagle2 2 years ago
try both, I think i saw a theme deck that hold both black and red cards
deckire 2 years ago
yeah, i wanted to, but the game store where i bought them didnt have that deck anymore, so i bought the grixis undead junior pack, which feateres black, red and blue cards.
and i've got a planeswalker :D Sarkhan Vol
SirEagle2 2 years ago
"White is the traditional good guy."
I'll say.
RazzmatazzTheGreat 2 years ago
and id say the green guys are the traditionally the awesome guys
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since Im a geek and i cant have a girlfriend, and I will spent most of my life as a virgin, then this game is for me? and will make me happy and keep me happy as these dudes? mmmmm? anyone ;P
NoSemos 2 years ago
just cause your a geek dosent mean u cant have a girlfriend im one of the biggest geeks in my school and i have a very beautiful girlfriend so dont worry we can have girlfriends and be geeks but we might be virgins 4 a while :(
AnimeFreak84853 2 years ago
Yes. Don't worry, sex is overrated. M:TG is not.
lethe56 2 years ago 2
ok i need to know 1 thing when you where showing the big card the sukkls on the top whats with the number next to it
antonscrazy 2 years ago
The symbols in the top right corner of the card indicate its mana cost - the card shown has a "1" and two Skulls. The skulls represent mana gained from swamps (black lands) specifically while the 1 (or any other number) represents colourless mana - that is to say it can come from any land be it a swam, mountain, plains, island or forest.
Hope this helps
4ntig3n 2 years ago
thanx dude
antonscrazy 2 years ago
can you plz recomend some good sites to buy theam decks (blue,green) in the uk plz
thx
TwoMagicPlayers 2 years ago
no 60 is the minimum not 40
smarty744 2 years ago
40 for limited.
Soulforge00 2 years ago
Question guys- I picked up one of these premade decks and its cool and all but it seems impossible to start another deck without buying another pemade deck. Because boosterpacks are all mixed so i can only use like 1 or 2 cards for my deck and the rest are fire or whatever else i dont use. So should i just buy a premade deck of every theme then buy boosters?
dirtbikeryzz 2 years ago
well, in boosters you can get sucky cards, normal cards, or awesome cards. Try buying more boosters.
wowrulez111 2 years ago
there is no maximum just a min of 60
smarty744 2 years ago 2
There is no maximum. Battle of wits lets you win if you have 200+ cards.
The only thing you have to keep in mind is you have to shuffle the deck
magicroxs 2 years ago 2
I thought 40 was the minimum.
BanicRhys 2 years ago
Is there a max limit to the amount of cards i can use in my deck? or a minimum amount? Cause my decks tend to get really big when i make em :S
Virtunx 2 years ago
60 is the min. No more than 4 cards of any kind, except for lands
urmomstoxicface 2 years ago
no maximum tho? or?
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There is no maximum. Battle of wits lets you win if you have 200+ cards.
The only thing you have to keep in mind is you have to shuffle the deck
magicroxs 2 years ago
well i think magic is not magick it scrubs tubs,,,,pick up a xbox and play it youll be happy with skill that who needs friends
xxlegendofvegas 2 years ago
my uncle and his son showed me this game. I just played my first game yesterday and i loved it. I almost won a 3 way battle but my uncle went and surprise me and had an earth quake. I loved playing so much.
kausmage25 2 years ago
Magic, is THE GAME :D
CROWTHEKILLER 2 years ago 4
I have buyed a theme deck from Lorwyn . Kithkin Militia....and is only with light , with what theme deck or starter i can combinate it? plz give me a reply someone
crystyan57 2 years ago
yes u can make it how u want :) hey im being hacked find the real me at emodude117
emodude7711 2 years ago
THE REASON why i quit stupid yugioh is because im on a tight budget and magic is very cheap and not that expensive
loser5456 2 years ago
I agree with you but the other reason I quit yugioh is because some decks are proven better than other, and the yugioh players have no originality ..
MonarchCentral 2 years ago
Magic the gathering is arguably the first trading card game.All the others (pokemon, Yugioh, etc.) drew inspiration from Magic.I'm waiting for the next original card game.
greenious 2 years ago 2
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thats alot like yugioh
LeprechaunBoi 2 years ago
magic owns yu-gi-oh
lpsowns 2 years ago 6
yu gi oh is good for kids, magic is a little more complicated, but yeah magic kicks ass
DeadHand1992 2 years ago 3
magic is older than yugioh
jayblaze12 2 years ago
yep, cept it got more strategy than yu gi oh, also complicated
Kaim82 2 years ago