My score so far is 3 atheists and on person, wlevings who says he/she is a Christian, silenced by this question.
Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments? as if those things actually exists?
this conversation is a fail. And total a botching of the word pretentious. Sorry please try again! :) I like how I just comment a little bit of advice to the people who choose to entertain atom's insecurities, and on comes the fire. lol. that aside. This song is so good. I personally like NewSurrender, didnt find Cities till just a while ago so little behind on the awesomeness.
Looks like atomicfriendo chickend out. That's 3, count them, 3 atheist I have silenced with this question. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
@wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
@wlevings@wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
@wlevings@wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
@wlevings@wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
@wlevings I went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments? as if those things actually exists?
@PX2k2 You got that right. That's why I don't take the bait for the arguments they want to fight over. I make them answer me. So far I have 3 atheists and one christian who won't answer me. :0)
People stop talking to atomicfriendo, he is like on every anberlin comment page ever. Haters are going to hate, people, so stop being retards and ignore him! Personally anberlin is da bomb, saw them last night in concert. Amazing!
@tbillcook yes haters are going to hate...and pretentious dickheads like you are going to thinkt they can tell people what to do. Well aren't you fucking special. I bet you were the bestest hall monitor at your highschool...lol..Who the fuck do you think you are? Get over yourself fag. :)-~
@tbillcook He is a chicken Sh!t who can answer this. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
I guy I work for loves anberlin. I never really heard of them, until I heard this song on pandora. I always loved this song, the harmonies and the melodies are beautiful as well as the lyrics. I was like "no way...this is anberlin!!!" I am so happy I found that out. I will be adding more anberlin to my library now. lol
and to the two numbskulls under me....there is a time and place for everything. the comment board of this song is NOT a good place for debating dieties. please go away.
read the bible if you want answers Look to God and not man, God is the all and all the early christians were all about saving souls from hell rather than this emerging garbage the church needs fire! if you are lost or unsaved Jesus loves you He is the Son of God. He is the truth the way and the life. hell is a scary place the bible says it is of screaming torture the gnashing of teeth. if you need help God is there,
I have to say this song is growing on me, when I first listened to it I was like "Anberlin! Alright it can't be bad", but now I'm taking it for more. It's a powerful song especially if you watch the video.
@Rab38079 Right on! @koffinglol You must not understand why people 'get' religion. It is not to know the future, but to be at peace with the inevitable. I do not know what will happen tomorrow, but I have faith that there is a God in control.
What's with all the hate in the comments? Just because someone expresses an opinion doesn't mean everyone should jump on it as a debate topic. Especially when most of it is flaming. Whether you agree with the beliefs or not, if you're listening to this song, you at LEAST like the song. And if you don't, then please stop trolling.
i cannot believe toothandnail. They disconnected the "DISLIKE' button. It doesn't work! This is so lame for someone to do. I mean, what are they afraid of? Not everyone is going to like something but making it so that only the "thumbs up" works is pretty lame. I don't care if you believe me or not but I just tried pressing it and it DOES NOT WORK. :)-~
@koffinglol dude, who the fuck are you? Maybe stick with arguing with the rest of the jesus freak liberals about whether or not that silly book "the bible" is worth its weight in paper. And what part of "fuck off" did you not understand?
@atomicfriendo Well, you didn't say fuck off, but if you did, it would be the "fuck" part. There are a lot of meanings, I'd need you to clarify. I'm not sure what a jesus freak liberal is either, but I know what an angry, obsessive loser is!
So, which one had sexual intercourse with your mother?
@koffinglol probably all of them. BTW my mom in in her 70's but saying that ,I'm sure a band of this calibre, thats all they can get. And why are you asking me to explain my the terms I'm using? Are you an idiot in real life or just ignorant. And if you don't know what a liberal-minded jesus freak is then I'm wasting my time with mental midget. BTW do you know what a mental midget is or do you need someone to explain that to you as well? :)-~
Why does this shit constantly get put in the highest rated comments? It's definitely a youtube conspiracy among a select group of people. Not only that, but I find this here in a video that makes a good point and there are I'm sure comments made some time ago more deserving at being at the top than this copy and paste crap.
@darkrai7665 seriouslyy stop talkin bout justin bieber this is MUSIC and if u dont like him that much then go tell him off urselff and stop posting this unreasonable comments on these songs just listen to it. im not sayingg im in love with GAY jb but still seriouslyy u really have to be that idiotic??
Holy crap people. Enough talk about the bible and religion and morals and objectivity. Can't we all just put our petty differences aside and all agree on one thing? ANBERLIN SUCKS :)-~
The Question comes back to this: do you ascribe to the view of no absolute truth? If not, then what are your foundations? And even that must take you back to this throbbing question... where did we come from? How did all that we see come to be? Chance, over an ever increasing period of time? Or a Creator? (aliens is just a form of circling the question over again)
So what does science say about these ideas? What does logic lean towards? This is the question that must be asked. Weigh the facts
@manmovie101 Logic leans towards women not being created from a man's rib or us living on Earth because some woman ate an apple. Actually, that makes a lot more sense than what science is actively trying to prove. Much easier to say "God did it!" and then be done. There is NO absolute truth. To think one exists is pure stupidity, and arrogance. You're basically saying that everyone who thinks differently is wrong, but you have nothing to back your claim other than an old Jewish fairytale.
@manmovie101 actually im pretty sure the process of evolution, climate progression, and plate tectonics explainnsss...lets see here....yep pretty much everything you just asked. Just because something is fragile and seemingly impossible doesn't mean it requires creation from some divine power for it to come into existence. in fact its just the opposite, you see complex processes occur in nature every single second of every day.
@alexbew16 what I was asking for was some intelligent, logical (non circular) arguments from both sides. the fact is, evolution is one argument, but far too many people don't follow though to it's end. In the same way, creationist also tend to not follow their argument through to the end... and both tend to throw logical arguments out the window. Lets have some intelligent discussion, as apposed to statements based on nothing.
Holy crap people. Enough talk about the bible and religion and morals and objectivity. Can't we all just put our petty differences aside and all agree on one thing? ANBERLIN SUCKS :)-~
"The evidence for God is voluminous and incontrovertible." It doesn't matter what your personal beliefs are, those are the words of someone who's trying to sound smarter than they really are.
@0LAZOLAZO0 Ummmmmm....pretty sure this might be my favorite Anberlin song, and that they are my second favorite band. BTW, atheists = people who aren't blind followers of a sky wizard living in the clouds. Religion is just a crutch for people who can't accept certain truths in the world.
@koffinglol No atheists are people who try to pretend they have meaning the universe, that is by their definition, meaningless. The evidence for God is voluminous and incontrovertible. An atheist can find God the way a crook can't find a policeman. Believing in the truth is not a crutch its the act of a rational mind. Delusion is trying to make the subject truth and morality of atheism fit into something object by which your try to judge others. You don't even understand the thing you believe.
@rab38079 "The evidence for God is voluminous and incontrovertible." Yeah...no...
"Delusion is trying to make the subject truth and morality of atheism fit into something object by which your try to judge others." Lol, irony.
Well, your parents did a good job of brainwashing you. Don't really feel I need to say anything further, talking to religious folk always proves fruitless. It's just funny how an "open and accepting" group actually does a great job of shunning others of different beliefs.
@koffinglol I note no refutation of the proposition that you are meaningless in the atheist universe. I see your parents did a poor job of preparing you for these debates. The shunning of other beliefs stuff is a dodge made by those with no arguments. I am only open to the truth which I have on my side. Close minded people are those who willing fail to see it. I declare myself the winner since I am the only one here who made any kind of argument.
@rab38079 Isn't it funny, though, how it's the Christians who continue this argument? You're the winner of an argument on Youtube, congrats. As I said, you and your fellow herd beast followers can worship Jesus, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti monster, etc. I don't care. To me, it sounds like an adult arguing with me that unicorns are real. We are all meaningless in the end. The difference between you and I is that I don't need some old, outdated book of rules as a crutch to blind me to the truth.
@koffinglol Again no argument here. Please provide me with evidence that you have object meaning in the universe and an objective moral standard by which you judge anything to good, bad, outdated etc... All other arguments you make beg this question thus making them invalid. Come on lets see it.
@rab38079 Judging good and bad is entirely subjective. Are you kidding me? Hitler thought killing Jews was right and good, even though most everyone else thought he was wrong and evil. I judge good and bad based on common sense, and weigh benefits with negative effects. I don't need a book to tell me that buying a sandwich for a hungry person is a good deed and kicking an old homeless guy is wrong. There is no "universal" rules for good and bad, as much as you want there to be.
@rab38079 To continue, the BIBLE states that any man who lies with another man is an offense punishable by death. Is that right? You can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible you believe in, and I find living by the rules in an outdated book that doesn't change to adapt with modern times incredibly restrictive. Being an atheist doesn't compel me to perform, in my opinion, "bad" deeds. Islam is even further behind, as many parts of the Qu'ran are harsh towards women, calling them "lesser"
@koffinglol Again to what object standard do you point that we, and the world for that matter, will agree with to call anything bad. Until you do that your arguments are invalid. Your Atheism does not compel you to perform? No but is should compel you to defend your position. Clearly you can't do that.
@rab38079 There is no object standard, you idiot. I just said that. What is right and what is wrong is entirely subjective. I think basing your morals on some outdated, man made book is wrong, and you do not. I guess you're not capable of wrapping your mind around the idea of individual thought and opinions...not surprising. I love sleeping in on Sunday mornings.
@koffinglol If there is no objective standard than how to you dare tell me or anyone there standard is good bad or outdated for that matter.? Just saying there is none does not solve your problem. You can judge no one with out such a standard. Mine is as good as yours in the Atheist world you live in. The only standard there would be might makes right. If I have more people on my side then I am right. I pretty sure you would think that unfair. You can run but you can't hide from this.
@rab38079 the Bible is a reference/guideline for people, it's not supposed to tell you what you do and don't do; it's all about the positives and negatives of an action, whether you're religious or not...that's it
@rab38079 HOWEVER, I do not completely agree with everything koffing says, I think he's right when it comes to good and bad deeds, although some could be horribly sinful and be considered good by the person who is doing them (ex. Terrorists: they consider their "sacrifice" good, and their religion believes that they will meet however many virgins in heaven if they do that)..it all comes down to the person and their beliefs, there's really no more point in arguing, nobody will win in the long run
@okamimoushiyou On what standard does he judge them good or bad. His own. That is no standard at all. That would give us as many standards as we have people on the planet. To judge me you must have a standard that is objectively superior to mine. It would have to be one that everyone else on the planet agrees is superior or it's not objective and thus invalid. You see to be the good cop to koffinglol's bad cop. My point still stands.
@rab38079 Ugh...like talking to a wall...except a wall is more capable of independent thought. Classic herd beast argument: "Everyone else does it, so it must be right!" How about 1930's Germany, where it became acceptable to even kill Jews on the street? There was no public outcry, it was accepted by the majority of Germans because they had been programmed that way. Same thing with religion. You were raised that way and never bothered to explore other options. Good/evil is subjective. PERIOD.
@koffinglol Again you are applying a moral judgment with out having a foundation for it, that makes all you arguments invalid. Your statement about no objective standard is itself an objective standard. Do you see the quick sand your sinking in. You have to concede too, and validate, an objective moral standard before you can criticize anyone else. Do you concede to such a standard? If not you stuck on you little circle of logic "There is no objective standard except when I say there is".
@rab38079 No, it doesn't make it invalid, because a foundation DOESN'T EXIST. It's like saying tacos are the best kind of food, and everyone should agree. I criticize the Bible because people believe it to be THE moral standard, and it isn't. I'm not arguing that my personal moral standards should be pressed on everyone else. I'm actually not sure what you're arguing, maybe that you have a book to hide behind so you can nitpick my opinions since you don't have any of your own? Done here. Thanks.
@koffinglol The "foundation does not exist" is a statement of absolute truth, the thing you say does not exist. Your stuck in the circle and can't get out. That makes your arguments invalid. To criticize others about their morality you must have an objective standard that is better the one you dislike. I believe you when you say you don't understand the issue, all atheists are that way. They are meaningless people in a meaningless universe with meaningless arguments and they don't know it.
@rab38079 Except YOU think the foundation of YOUR beliefs can be applied to everyone. So, it's easy to pick off my arguments since I'm not hiding behind anything. MY objective standard of morality is still subjective in the grand scheme of things, just as yours is. You calling me meaningless is more evidence of your complete ignorance. I hope there is a day where I don't have to defend myself from religious nutjobs who deem themselves superior because they follow some old book. Done for real.
@koffinglol If your standard is subjective you can't hold anyone else to it, now can you? As for meaningless please provide me with objective evidence that you have meaning in a universe that is by your definition an accidents. You have not defended yourself against anything I have said. You only continue to make meaningless arguments. Again they are meaningless because you have not established any objective foundation for them. Swing and a miss again.
@rab38079 Ugh, I need to learn how to let people have the last word. Your standard is also subjective. Even you differ from other Christians. Some think homosexuality is wrong, and some accept it as OK. How is that an objective standard? We don't have any meaning in this universe. We will die, the Earth will be consumed by the sun, and the universe will contract. Then it will all start again, no less for our losses. There is ample evidence of this, so how do YOU figure we are significant here?
@rab38079 You make the best of the time that you have. There is really no meaning in the grand scheme of things, but there is meaning in day to day life. When the universe collapses, when the Earth no longer exists, how can you say we have lasting meaning? We don't. I don't worry about the future, I'm here now, and I worry about things now. Why worry, or think about something I can't control? The fear of the unknown is what drives religion, because people can not accept living without knowing.
@koffinglol If there is no meaning there is no "Grand Scheme". Do you see the circle you keep turning in. You keep trying to mix the objective and the subjective. You do worry about the future everyone does? That statement is either a lie or a delusion. You demand objective evidence for the existence of God but can not provide any objective evidence for your beliefs. Why ask for it if you know it does not exist? Why make arguments if they are meaningless? Can you answer that?
@rab38079 No, I don't. You're spewing bullshit and arguing semantics to dance around the fact, and it's getting pretty fucking annoying. The onus is not on ME, it's on YOU. There isn't anything even close to concrete evidence of god's existence, it's YOUR job to prove he's real, nothing to do with me. Stick to brainwashing your kids and piss off already. I don't know how I can explain it to you without you picking up little things and focusing on them, so I'm no longer going to try.
@koffinglol There is nothing semantic about showing the basis on which your arguments rest. You come here railing against "immoral" acts of those who believe in God. To do so you must have an objective moral standard for us to judges the acts of other against. Under Atheism there is none so your arguments are invalid. Being brainwashed is believing something even though there is no foundation for it. So what kind of brain bleach did your indoctrinators use to wash this truth out of your head?
@koffinglol As an Atheist you mean nothing. All that you "love" means nothing. All those who "love" you mean nothing. You could disappear off the planet tomorrow and the effect on the cosmos would be zero. Your arguments mean nothing but you continue to argue. The things you care about mean nothing but you continue to care. WHY, if they are meaningless? That's the ONUS that is on you to explain to me. Quit if you want that just means my arguments stand on the ashes of yours.
@rab38079 seems a little dramatic huh? but why argue.. i mean.. people beliefs are peoples beliefs.. and its not anyone's job to make people see truth.. if thats true then thats pretty much saying that God needs people to do his work which go against the claim that God is all powerful.. so i say, if people are so set in their beliefs that they refuse to change their minds, lets just wait until we're all dead and find out whos right and whos wrong huh? can we just do that?
@Wafflestand to many straw-men and non sequiturs to deal with here, and do you really want to wait until your dead to find out you could have avoided going to hell. That rational.
@Wafflestand if there is a god how does god let bad things happen like war, and floods, and crime, and earthquakes, and Anberlin, and mudslides, and racism? Why does god allow this to happen if he is so great? :)-~
@rab38079 I wasn't fucking talking to you. Shut the fuck up M'K. Besides I was just joking you pretentious jesus freak. Mind you own goddamn business M'K?
@atomicfriendo Book of Fables? Is that a statement of fact of faith.Calling it a fable is not proof that it is. It's your responsibility to show the incontrovertible evidence for what you believe in order to demonstrate that what I believe is a fable. Do you have a logical arguments or just more ad hominem attacks. I doubt you do.
@rab38079 Isit fact or is it faith or is it a fable. YOU tell me. Where is your proof, other than your faith, whichis not proof. It's YOUR responsibility to show the incontrovertible evidence for what you believe in order to demonstrate that what you believe is not a fable. You silly christians alway try and pull this shit every time. How about asking your God to end world hungar, and war. And while your at it, how but getting him to stop your priests form raping little boys.
@atomicfriendo Your answer still begs the question. Even if you prove my belief to be a fable, evidence for which you have not provided, you still have to demonstrate that what you believe is not a fable as well in order to criticize my beliefs. You present no evidence of a fable to refute. As for world hunger and war what standard, under atheism, do you use to say those things are either good or bad?
@rab38079 its not up to me to prove anything, i already know as does 3/4 of the world's population will agree the bible is a nice book of fiction. The question has been presented to Christians for eons and they cannot prove a damn thing, rather they base it all on faith with no hard evidence. I can give you evidence on the theory of evolution if you'd like :)-~
@atomicfriendo Atheism is based on faith unless you provide evidence that its true so that would put us in the same boat. I want to see your PROOF for the 3/4 of the world statistic, and even if that were true it does not falsify Theism. Last the theory of evolution says nothing about the existence of God, NO scientific theory does. You really don't understand what you believe do you? My points still stand.
@rab38079 well i'm still waiting for your proof, buddy. Why are you asking me to prove anything when you refuse to prove it yourself. Typic christian bull shit.
@atomicfriendo Bull shit is not answering any of my questions. I have shot down everything you have thrown at me. You say what I believe, that there is a God, is a fable, and that what you believe, there is no God, is not, but present no evidence for those assertions. How can I refute what has not been presented. Give me your best argument that Theism is a fable, and Atheism is not, and I will refute it. Bring it. You may need your phone a friend life line for this.
@rab38079 in all seriouslness, why is it when ever you ask a Christian to prove that God exists, the reply will always be - Prove God doesn't exist.....To me thats just a silly answer form someone who can't provide a simple answer. :)-~
@atomicfriendo How do you explain how an impersonal, purposeless, meaningless, and amoral universe accidentally created beings (us) who are full of personality and obsessed with purpose, meaning, and morals.
@atomicfriendo The Laws of Causation speak against the universe being the ultimate cause of everything for the simple fact that the effect must resemble it's Cause. nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness?
@atomicfriendo You said what I believe is fable and what you believe is not. Silly is saying something but not backing it up. The original assertions was yours. So show me why Atheism is not a fable?
@atomicfriendo Actually if you think about, something you will need help with, Atheist are the proof that God exists. See if you tell me why this is TRUE.
@rab38079 isn't it funny when a christians are asked a straight out question which they know they cannot answer they revert to turning the tables and childish games ....Just anwer my fucking question, if you cant then shut the fuck up. Got that?
@atomicfriendo heres the shit moron, don't confuse athieism with anti god. If being athiest meant anti god then you might have a case but it doesn't. It means that you don't believe in a higher being. Its like you saying that just because I don't belive there is a Santa Clause means thats proof that Santa exist. Sorry but you need to get your head out of your ass fool
@atomicfriendo You replied to yourself. LOL Stop yelling at yourself its not a pretty sight. And stop redefining the word just to make your straw man argument. God is by definition a higher being, at least higher than you or I, so Atheist is anti-God. That's retarded thinking. You still don't get it. Atheist who make arguments against theism are the proof of a God. Do you know why.
@atomicfriendo@atomicfriendo You replied to yourself. LOL Stop yelling at yourself its not a pretty sight. And stop redefining the word just to make your straw man argument. God is by definition a higher being, at least higher than you or I, so Atheist is anti-God. That's retarded thinking. You still don't get it. Atheist who make arguments against theism are the proof of a God. Do you know why.
@atomicfriendo The shit is your arguments or the lack there of. No matter what definition you make anyone reading your posts can see you are anti-God. As for Santa Clause he actually on of the many causes Atheism. Please provide me with proof that Atheism is not a fable. How can I believe in it until you do. What sense would it make to substitute on fable for another. I have already answered your question you answer mine.
@rab38079 look shit head, I'm not anti God. I don't belive there is a God. There's a fucking difference. And don't ask me to prove anything especially after you refuse/can't prove anything yourself. And futhermore, I didn't ask you any fucking question, I ask you to provide proof. So where is it?You have none, right? Look, you sound like a 16 year old twerp with nothing better to do then to argue. Seriously, do you know the definition of Atheism?
@atomicfriendo I did provide proof. I said you are it and I asked you if you know why. So you question is asked and answered. Clearly you don't understand Atheism. I also asked you to provide me evidence that Atheism is not a fable. I mean how can I give up Theism for Atheism without that evidence. Otherwise I would be substituting one fable for another. Since you can't provide that evidence clearly believing in fables is something you are comfortable with.
@atomicfriendo Here I will give you the hint you so desperately need as to why you are the proof. Atheism has not one but two Achilles heels. They are morality and meaning. Under Atheism you have neither. Morality is subject not objective and you have no objective meaning in an universe that was some cosmic accident yet all you posts contradict those TRUTHS. Tell me why that is, and you will know why there has to be a GOD. Any light bulbs coming on there sparky.
@rab38079 dude, you're fucked. You're either on drugs or just some sort of radical immigrant who has NO concept of reality. Just stop with yoru silly word games as they become lost in translation. If you can't answer my question then just shut the hell up. You can say whatever you want but unitl you provide me with a shread of proof for your agrument, youre just a fool. Fuck off fool .
You are the proof as I said before. Asked and answered. I even helped you with knowing why and this is all you have. The best you could say given your epic failure here is that you believe in the same kind of fable that you say I believe in. Again why does a creature, with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists? Not only have the tables been turned the rug has been pulled out from under you.
@rab38079 dude are you brain dead or just a little slow? How do I believe in a fable? FYI Atheism is NOT anti god no matter what you think. It means you don't believe in a god or religion. I guess it serves me right for asking for a straight answer for a silly christian, or whatever you are.
@atomicfriendo Just like you require of Theism, Atheism is a fable until you provide evidence that it is not. If you can't it still stands as fable to any fair minded observer. And since you believe Theism is a fable that would make you birds of a feather with Theists. Both have a fable as world view. Oh and what about my STRAIGHT FORWARD question. Why does a creature(you), with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as? if those things actually exists?
@rab38079 so, you are bascially saying you have not a shred of proof that god exists but instead of admiting it you want me to prove he doesn't exist. Botton line, you failed as do all theories of religion, you're just too pretentious to realize this:)-~.
@atomicfriendo No you are saying that. Your also not providing me the evidence that Atheism is any different than Theism. And why can't you answer my question. Why does a creature(you), with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as? if those things actually exists? Just answer it. Its simple enough just like you. I already know the answer and so do you. The answer is just to horrifying and earth shattering to come to terms with. Answer it sparky.
@rab38079 I give up. You can't provide any proof so you try and talk your way around, surprose surprise. I can answer you question pal, but i asked you first. And Im talking real proof, like jesus dna or pieces of the arc...you know, scientific stuff that christians can't admit to. Bring it on
@atomicfriendo You did not ask first, I did. I know you can answer my question you just won't because to answer it rationally would prove me right. And as for Jesus DNA and what not you still beg the question. Here let me help. You could falsify Christianity and still have made no head way in proving atheism is not itself a fable. First one has demonstrate that your position, that there is not God, is true before it makes sense to talk about what God is like or how He interacts with us.
@atomicfriendo Answer my question coward. Why does a creature(you), with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as? if those things actually exists? Bring it on.
@rab38079 I'm not answering any of your foolish fucking questions asshole until you answer mine. And why are you acting so childish? or are you just a child?
@atomicfriendo Thought said you could, guess you lied. Providing the foundation upon which all your other arguments rest is not foolishness. Calling me names instead of answering it is. I already have answered your question. You are the proof that Theism is true. You will know that if you answer my question honestly. Let see if you have the guts.
@rab38079 I never said I could BTW. Look moron, if you're trying to trick me into saying something then you truly are a fool. So stop your gay little play on my words if you don't know how to answer a question properly without being a smart assed little cunt and get a fucking life.
@atomicfriendo I quote you "I can answer you question pal, but i asked you first." Sounds like you said you could to me. My question goes to the foundation of you belief system, but you can't answer it. What does that say about your atheist belief, it based on nothing. I however answered your question. You are the proof of theism, you will know that when you honestly answer the question. If you can't answer it you will need to rethink your world view.
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My score so far is 3 atheists and on person, wlevings who says he/she is a Christian, silenced by this question.
Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments? as if those things actually exists?
rab38079 1 year ago
I didn't like this.
ChuloGoatWild 1 year ago
@ChuloGoatWild ditto
TheAwakeFallen 1 year ago
this conversation is a fail. And total a botching of the word pretentious. Sorry please try again! :) I like how I just comment a little bit of advice to the people who choose to entertain atom's insecurities, and on comes the fire. lol. that aside. This song is so good. I personally like NewSurrender, didnt find Cities till just a while ago so little behind on the awesomeness.
tbillcook 1 year ago
@tbillcook The song is awesome. Atomicfriendo is just an Atheist troll who needed a beat down, and that's what I did, along with 2 others.
rab38079 1 year ago
Looks like atomicfriendo chickend out. That's 3, count them, 3 atheist I have silenced with this question. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
Any takers?
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Fool go to college, plenty of Atheists will take you on. I myself am a Christian, but yet not a fool,... like you.
wlevings 1 year ago
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@wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
rab38079 1 year ago
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@wlevings @wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
rab38079 1 year ago
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@wlevings @wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
rab38079 1 year ago
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@wlevings @wlevings Went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
rab38079 1 year ago
@wlevings I went to college did not get my brain damaged like you, and the atheists. Just waiting for some one to answer my question. Why don't you try college boy/girl. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments? as if those things actually exists?
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079
atheists love hearing themselves talk...
PX2k2 1 year ago
@PX2k2 You got that right. That's why I don't take the bait for the arguments they want to fight over. I make them answer me. So far I have 3 atheists and one christian who won't answer me. :0)
rab38079 1 year ago
tbillcook said not to talk to atomicfriendo sooooooo,
Hi atomicfriendo be my friend lol
what retards
Snroht5 1 year ago
I like 0:00-4:19
TheTimeTurnedFragile 1 year ago
People stop talking to atomicfriendo, he is like on every anberlin comment page ever. Haters are going to hate, people, so stop being retards and ignore him! Personally anberlin is da bomb, saw them last night in concert. Amazing!
tbillcook 1 year ago
@tbillcook yes haters are going to hate...and pretentious dickheads like you are going to thinkt they can tell people what to do. Well aren't you fucking special. I bet you were the bestest hall monitor at your highschool...lol..Who the fuck do you think you are? Get over yourself fag. :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
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@tbillcook He is chicken Sh@t who can't answer my question.
rab38079 1 year ago
@tbillcook He is a chicken Sh!t who can answer this. Why does the atheist, who has no objective meaning in the universe, or objective basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists?
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rab38079 1 year ago
@tbillcook coool i want to see them and flyleaf :D
Xxjoseph013xX 1 year ago
0:00
xXKittehGoesRawrXx 1 year ago
funny if it wasn't for that takeaway advert the entire page would only have one colour through the whole 4 minute video
shy0dusk 1 year ago
I couldn't care less about a damn butter advertisement! I just wanna listen to this!
prettypiggy926 1 year ago
.............. Anyway.
Quality song.
Deep (':
Sherkriek 1 year ago
I guy I work for loves anberlin. I never really heard of them, until I heard this song on pandora. I always loved this song, the harmonies and the melodies are beautiful as well as the lyrics. I was like "no way...this is anberlin!!!" I am so happy I found that out. I will be adding more anberlin to my library now. lol
and to the two numbskulls under me....there is a time and place for everything. the comment board of this song is NOT a good place for debating dieties. please go away.
ThePoeticFox 1 year ago
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atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@ThePoeticFox the comment board is for whatever we want it to be. Go away :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
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@atomicfriendo oh I get it now. Your nothing but a troll. So now that I know that...welcome to my blocked list :D
ThePoeticFox 1 year ago
read the bible if you want answers Look to God and not man, God is the all and all the early christians were all about saving souls from hell rather than this emerging garbage the church needs fire! if you are lost or unsaved Jesus loves you He is the Son of God. He is the truth the way and the life. hell is a scary place the bible says it is of screaming torture the gnashing of teeth. if you need help God is there,
GOD IS LOVE!
Freedomcall82 1 year ago
Can everyone just chill out and enjoy great music please?
Yes, it does makes you think, but its YOUTUBE, please leave your existential conflicts for another time please
jonhy0102 1 year ago
I'm at least 650,000 of the views (:
CaseyCaseyCasey1 1 year ago
I have to say this song is growing on me, when I first listened to it I was like "Anberlin! Alright it can't be bad", but now I'm taking it for more. It's a powerful song especially if you watch the video.
@Rab38079 Right on! @koffinglol You must not understand why people 'get' religion. It is not to know the future, but to be at peace with the inevitable. I do not know what will happen tomorrow, but I have faith that there is a God in control.
Jhraxlin 1 year ago
What's with all the hate in the comments? Just because someone expresses an opinion doesn't mean everyone should jump on it as a debate topic. Especially when most of it is flaming. Whether you agree with the beliefs or not, if you're listening to this song, you at LEAST like the song. And if you don't, then please stop trolling.
Just stop the hate -.-
KrisTheBear 1 year ago
@1:26, that looks like Elliot smith so much, it's intense.
nuclearXtofu 1 year ago
Why does every video get a reference to justin beiber? fucking hell, this is Anberlin.
Evertonian01 1 year ago
@Evertonian01 exactlyy thats what im sayingg but these idiots must like him cuzz thats all theyy seem to care about
MISSYAQUIHEAD 1 year ago
What's with all the religion comments on this vid? Let's talk about this beautiful song instead <3.
MariaHamsterLover 1 year ago
Does anyone know where the video was shot? Is it Chicago?
Mendu2904 1 year ago
ohhh H'es done more than you can ever imagine for me :]
felipee911 1 year ago
"If sinners will be damned, let them leap to hell over our bodies. If hell must be filled, let it be filled in the teeth of
our exertions, & let? not one go there unwarned & unprayed for." C.H. Spurgeon
rab38079 1 year ago
How can anyone not like this song? Best. Song. Ever. :)
PeaceIsFree00 1 year ago
Personally, I'm an atheist and absolutely love this song.
Anberlin's even said themselves that they don't classify themselves as a Christian band. You can interpret this song in so many ways.
Just relax, be tolerant of others' beliefs, and enjoy the music. :)
hannahpaslabanane 1 year ago
@hannahpaslabanane I agree completely. :)
PeaceIsFree00 1 year ago
How in the hell do religious arguments grow from such a freakin' brilliant song?
MrSirisVangaurd 1 year ago
@MrSirisVangaurd (cause they're a religious band.. it can spark religious conversation, just a hunch)
Wafflestand 1 year ago
Cutest old man ever.
xhenaaaa 1 year ago
Ignore atheists they are meaningless by their own definition.
rab38079 1 year ago
God is good! = All the time!
All the time! = God is good!
dubee014 1 year ago
this film clip is retarded
hannah24681012 1 year ago
i cannot believe toothandnail. They disconnected the "DISLIKE' button. It doesn't work! This is so lame for someone to do. I mean, what are they afraid of? Not everyone is going to like something but making it so that only the "thumbs up" works is pretty lame. I don't care if you believe me or not but I just tried pressing it and it DOES NOT WORK. :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo I'm just curious, what's with your anti-Anberlin agenda? Are you doing it for attention or did one of them bang your girlfriend/mom?
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol first of all, fuck you faggot. Secondly, Anberlin is one of the lamest, fakest, gayest band out there, that why I hate them. :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo lol kind of obsessive. A bit creepy. I'm gonna go with one of them banging your mom.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol dude, who the fuck are you? Maybe stick with arguing with the rest of the jesus freak liberals about whether or not that silly book "the bible" is worth its weight in paper. And what part of "fuck off" did you not understand?
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Well, you didn't say fuck off, but if you did, it would be the "fuck" part. There are a lot of meanings, I'd need you to clarify. I'm not sure what a jesus freak liberal is either, but I know what an angry, obsessive loser is!
So, which one had sexual intercourse with your mother?
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol probably all of them. BTW my mom in in her 70's but saying that ,I'm sure a band of this calibre, thats all they can get. And why are you asking me to explain my the terms I'm using? Are you an idiot in real life or just ignorant. And if you don't know what a liberal-minded jesus freak is then I'm wasting my time with mental midget. BTW do you know what a mental midget is or do you need someone to explain that to you as well? :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Yes, I'd like you to explain it to me please. I'm a dumb-dumb IRL.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol , umm if you're so smart, figure it out for yourself. :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo it was actually a gangbang!
TheJsHep 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo why are watching?
TheJsHep 1 year ago
@TheJsHep because if I didn't watch it how would i know if it sucked or not? :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
unlike bar = lenght of the penis of Justin Bieber
darkrai7665 1 year ago 11
@darkrai7665 no way its smaller
sctwf 1 year ago
@darkrai7665 how would you know this unless you've actually seen his............ewwwwwwwwwww PEDO ALERT! :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@darkrai7665 And you just happen to know.
FullCharge82 1 year ago
@darkrai7665
Why does this shit constantly get put in the highest rated comments? It's definitely a youtube conspiracy among a select group of people. Not only that, but I find this here in a video that makes a good point and there are I'm sure comments made some time ago more deserving at being at the top than this copy and paste crap.
*sighs*
notyoursavior78 1 year ago
@darkrai7665 actual size
boonitae 1 year ago
@darkrai7665 seriouslyy stop talkin bout justin bieber this is MUSIC and if u dont like him that much then go tell him off urselff and stop posting this unreasonable comments on these songs just listen to it. im not sayingg im in love with GAY jb but still seriouslyy u really have to be that idiotic??
MISSYAQUIHEAD 1 year ago
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Holy crap people. Enough talk about the bible and religion and morals and objectivity. Can't we all just put our petty differences aside and all agree on one thing? ANBERLIN SUCKS :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
I adore this song <3
MoshRocker 1 year ago
TTFN
rab38079 1 year ago
The Question comes back to this: do you ascribe to the view of no absolute truth? If not, then what are your foundations? And even that must take you back to this throbbing question... where did we come from? How did all that we see come to be? Chance, over an ever increasing period of time? Or a Creator? (aliens is just a form of circling the question over again)
So what does science say about these ideas? What does logic lean towards? This is the question that must be asked. Weigh the facts
manmovie101 1 year ago
@manmovie101 Logic leans towards women not being created from a man's rib or us living on Earth because some woman ate an apple. Actually, that makes a lot more sense than what science is actively trying to prove. Much easier to say "God did it!" and then be done. There is NO absolute truth. To think one exists is pure stupidity, and arrogance. You're basically saying that everyone who thinks differently is wrong, but you have nothing to back your claim other than an old Jewish fairytale.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@manmovie101 actually im pretty sure the process of evolution, climate progression, and plate tectonics explainnsss...lets see here....yep pretty much everything you just asked. Just because something is fragile and seemingly impossible doesn't mean it requires creation from some divine power for it to come into existence. in fact its just the opposite, you see complex processes occur in nature every single second of every day.
alexbew16 1 year ago
@alexbew16 Yeah, but isn't it easier to say "god did it!" and ridicule anyone who tries to find a better answer?
koffinglol 1 year ago
@alexbew16 what I was asking for was some intelligent, logical (non circular) arguments from both sides. the fact is, evolution is one argument, but far too many people don't follow though to it's end. In the same way, creationist also tend to not follow their argument through to the end... and both tend to throw logical arguments out the window. Lets have some intelligent discussion, as apposed to statements based on nothing.
manmovie101 1 year ago
this song has gotten me through some hard times, anberlin is by far my favorite band <333
yerbabybooluvsu 1 year ago
Holy crap people. Enough talk about the bible and religion and morals and objectivity. Can't we all just put our petty differences aside and all agree on one thing? ANBERLIN SUCKS :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo ROFLOL
rab38079 1 year ago
"The evidence for God is voluminous and incontrovertible." It doesn't matter what your personal beliefs are, those are the words of someone who's trying to sound smarter than they really are.
Aaronmaggedon 1 year ago
It looks like a State Farm commercial, with the random red text on the black and white....haha
croc17046 1 year ago
My favorite song of alll time
striker37z 1 year ago
what is my grandpa doing at this music video???????
i told him to not walk infront of teenagers with video cameras.........
TVxVGL 1 year ago
I paused at 1:19 for a long time... remembering when I met him 3 days ago =)
johtogirl 1 year ago
Anberlin must be the greatest band, :)
alanahiscool16 1 year ago
I like the song, and video is cool too
kevinbrown779 1 year ago
41 one people honestly either just flat out suck or they are athiests. They then just watched this to dislike it.........
0LAZOLAZO0 1 year ago
@0LAZOLAZO0 Ummmmmm....pretty sure this might be my favorite Anberlin song, and that they are my second favorite band. BTW, atheists = people who aren't blind followers of a sky wizard living in the clouds. Religion is just a crutch for people who can't accept certain truths in the world.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol No atheists are people who try to pretend they have meaning the universe, that is by their definition, meaningless. The evidence for God is voluminous and incontrovertible. An atheist can find God the way a crook can't find a policeman. Believing in the truth is not a crutch its the act of a rational mind. Delusion is trying to make the subject truth and morality of atheism fit into something object by which your try to judge others. You don't even understand the thing you believe.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 "The evidence for God is voluminous and incontrovertible." Yeah...no...
"Delusion is trying to make the subject truth and morality of atheism fit into something object by which your try to judge others." Lol, irony.
Well, your parents did a good job of brainwashing you. Don't really feel I need to say anything further, talking to religious folk always proves fruitless. It's just funny how an "open and accepting" group actually does a great job of shunning others of different beliefs.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol I note no refutation of the proposition that you are meaningless in the atheist universe. I see your parents did a poor job of preparing you for these debates. The shunning of other beliefs stuff is a dodge made by those with no arguments. I am only open to the truth which I have on my side. Close minded people are those who willing fail to see it. I declare myself the winner since I am the only one here who made any kind of argument.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Isn't it funny, though, how it's the Christians who continue this argument? You're the winner of an argument on Youtube, congrats. As I said, you and your fellow herd beast followers can worship Jesus, Allah, the Flying Spaghetti monster, etc. I don't care. To me, it sounds like an adult arguing with me that unicorns are real. We are all meaningless in the end. The difference between you and I is that I don't need some old, outdated book of rules as a crutch to blind me to the truth.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol Again no argument here. Please provide me with evidence that you have object meaning in the universe and an objective moral standard by which you judge anything to good, bad, outdated etc... All other arguments you make beg this question thus making them invalid. Come on lets see it.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Judging good and bad is entirely subjective. Are you kidding me? Hitler thought killing Jews was right and good, even though most everyone else thought he was wrong and evil. I judge good and bad based on common sense, and weigh benefits with negative effects. I don't need a book to tell me that buying a sandwich for a hungry person is a good deed and kicking an old homeless guy is wrong. There is no "universal" rules for good and bad, as much as you want there to be.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@rab38079 To continue, the BIBLE states that any man who lies with another man is an offense punishable by death. Is that right? You can't pick and choose which parts of the Bible you believe in, and I find living by the rules in an outdated book that doesn't change to adapt with modern times incredibly restrictive. Being an atheist doesn't compel me to perform, in my opinion, "bad" deeds. Islam is even further behind, as many parts of the Qu'ran are harsh towards women, calling them "lesser"
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol Again to what object standard do you point that we, and the world for that matter, will agree with to call anything bad. Until you do that your arguments are invalid. Your Atheism does not compel you to perform? No but is should compel you to defend your position. Clearly you can't do that.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 There is no object standard, you idiot. I just said that. What is right and what is wrong is entirely subjective. I think basing your morals on some outdated, man made book is wrong, and you do not. I guess you're not capable of wrapping your mind around the idea of individual thought and opinions...not surprising. I love sleeping in on Sunday mornings.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol If there is no objective standard than how to you dare tell me or anyone there standard is good bad or outdated for that matter.? Just saying there is none does not solve your problem. You can judge no one with out such a standard. Mine is as good as yours in the Atheist world you live in. The only standard there would be might makes right. If I have more people on my side then I am right. I pretty sure you would think that unfair. You can run but you can't hide from this.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 the Bible is a reference/guideline for people, it's not supposed to tell you what you do and don't do; it's all about the positives and negatives of an action, whether you're religious or not...that's it
okamimoushiyou 1 year ago
@okamimoushiyou Not true. Read it again.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 HOWEVER, I do not completely agree with everything koffing says, I think he's right when it comes to good and bad deeds, although some could be horribly sinful and be considered good by the person who is doing them (ex. Terrorists: they consider their "sacrifice" good, and their religion believes that they will meet however many virgins in heaven if they do that)..it all comes down to the person and their beliefs, there's really no more point in arguing, nobody will win in the long run
okamimoushiyou 1 year ago
@okamimoushiyou On what standard does he judge them good or bad. His own. That is no standard at all. That would give us as many standards as we have people on the planet. To judge me you must have a standard that is objectively superior to mine. It would have to be one that everyone else on the planet agrees is superior or it's not objective and thus invalid. You see to be the good cop to koffinglol's bad cop. My point still stands.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Ugh...like talking to a wall...except a wall is more capable of independent thought. Classic herd beast argument: "Everyone else does it, so it must be right!" How about 1930's Germany, where it became acceptable to even kill Jews on the street? There was no public outcry, it was accepted by the majority of Germans because they had been programmed that way. Same thing with religion. You were raised that way and never bothered to explore other options. Good/evil is subjective. PERIOD.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol Again you are applying a moral judgment with out having a foundation for it, that makes all you arguments invalid. Your statement about no objective standard is itself an objective standard. Do you see the quick sand your sinking in. You have to concede too, and validate, an objective moral standard before you can criticize anyone else. Do you concede to such a standard? If not you stuck on you little circle of logic "There is no objective standard except when I say there is".
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 No, it doesn't make it invalid, because a foundation DOESN'T EXIST. It's like saying tacos are the best kind of food, and everyone should agree. I criticize the Bible because people believe it to be THE moral standard, and it isn't. I'm not arguing that my personal moral standards should be pressed on everyone else. I'm actually not sure what you're arguing, maybe that you have a book to hide behind so you can nitpick my opinions since you don't have any of your own? Done here. Thanks.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol The "foundation does not exist" is a statement of absolute truth, the thing you say does not exist. Your stuck in the circle and can't get out. That makes your arguments invalid. To criticize others about their morality you must have an objective standard that is better the one you dislike. I believe you when you say you don't understand the issue, all atheists are that way. They are meaningless people in a meaningless universe with meaningless arguments and they don't know it.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Except YOU think the foundation of YOUR beliefs can be applied to everyone. So, it's easy to pick off my arguments since I'm not hiding behind anything. MY objective standard of morality is still subjective in the grand scheme of things, just as yours is. You calling me meaningless is more evidence of your complete ignorance. I hope there is a day where I don't have to defend myself from religious nutjobs who deem themselves superior because they follow some old book. Done for real.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol If your standard is subjective you can't hold anyone else to it, now can you? As for meaningless please provide me with objective evidence that you have meaning in a universe that is by your definition an accidents. You have not defended yourself against anything I have said. You only continue to make meaningless arguments. Again they are meaningless because you have not established any objective foundation for them. Swing and a miss again.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Ugh, I need to learn how to let people have the last word. Your standard is also subjective. Even you differ from other Christians. Some think homosexuality is wrong, and some accept it as OK. How is that an objective standard? We don't have any meaning in this universe. We will die, the Earth will be consumed by the sun, and the universe will contract. Then it will all start again, no less for our losses. There is ample evidence of this, so how do YOU figure we are significant here?
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol If your and your arguments have no meaning, because you are meaningless, then why do you make them? I can hardly wait to hear this.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 You make the best of the time that you have. There is really no meaning in the grand scheme of things, but there is meaning in day to day life. When the universe collapses, when the Earth no longer exists, how can you say we have lasting meaning? We don't. I don't worry about the future, I'm here now, and I worry about things now. Why worry, or think about something I can't control? The fear of the unknown is what drives religion, because people can not accept living without knowing.
koffinglol 1 year ago 8
@koffinglol soooooooooooooooo damn true!
interpolisawesome 1 year ago
@koffinglol If there is no meaning there is no "Grand Scheme". Do you see the circle you keep turning in. You keep trying to mix the objective and the subjective. You do worry about the future everyone does? That statement is either a lie or a delusion. You demand objective evidence for the existence of God but can not provide any objective evidence for your beliefs. Why ask for it if you know it does not exist? Why make arguments if they are meaningless? Can you answer that?
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Hey maybe you should use your phone a friend life line. Where is your amazingthiest friend when you need him?
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 No, I don't. You're spewing bullshit and arguing semantics to dance around the fact, and it's getting pretty fucking annoying. The onus is not on ME, it's on YOU. There isn't anything even close to concrete evidence of god's existence, it's YOUR job to prove he's real, nothing to do with me. Stick to brainwashing your kids and piss off already. I don't know how I can explain it to you without you picking up little things and focusing on them, so I'm no longer going to try.
koffinglol 1 year ago
@koffinglol There is nothing semantic about showing the basis on which your arguments rest. You come here railing against "immoral" acts of those who believe in God. To do so you must have an objective moral standard for us to judges the acts of other against. Under Atheism there is none so your arguments are invalid. Being brainwashed is believing something even though there is no foundation for it. So what kind of brain bleach did your indoctrinators use to wash this truth out of your head?
rab38079 1 year ago
@koffinglol As an Atheist you mean nothing. All that you "love" means nothing. All those who "love" you mean nothing. You could disappear off the planet tomorrow and the effect on the cosmos would be zero. Your arguments mean nothing but you continue to argue. The things you care about mean nothing but you continue to care. WHY, if they are meaningless? That's the ONUS that is on you to explain to me. Quit if you want that just means my arguments stand on the ashes of yours.
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Wafflestand 1 year ago
@rab38079 seems a little dramatic huh? but why argue.. i mean.. people beliefs are peoples beliefs.. and its not anyone's job to make people see truth.. if thats true then thats pretty much saying that God needs people to do his work which go against the claim that God is all powerful.. so i say, if people are so set in their beliefs that they refuse to change their minds, lets just wait until we're all dead and find out whos right and whos wrong huh? can we just do that?
Wafflestand 1 year ago
@Wafflestand to many straw-men and non sequiturs to deal with here, and do you really want to wait until your dead to find out you could have avoided going to hell. That rational.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 my point is, is that God is the one who saves people, not us.. so just let Him do his work
Wafflestand 1 year ago
@Wafflestand if there is a god how does god let bad things happen like war, and floods, and crime, and earthquakes, and Anberlin, and mudslides, and racism? Why does god allow this to happen if he is so great? :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo what God does has nothing to do with His existence. Try again.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 I wasn't fucking talking to you. Shut the fuck up M'K. Besides I was just joking you pretentious jesus freak. Mind you own goddamn business M'K?
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo I win again. I present an argument and I get called names again. That's how I know I won the argument.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 ya ok whatever makes you feel better :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo I feel better when people have foundations for what they believe, especially when it concerns their immortal souls.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 ...and what is your foundation? A an ancient book of fables?
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Book of Fables? Is that a statement of fact of faith.Calling it a fable is not proof that it is. It's your responsibility to show the incontrovertible evidence for what you believe in order to demonstrate that what I believe is a fable. Do you have a logical arguments or just more ad hominem attacks. I doubt you do.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 Isit fact or is it faith or is it a fable. YOU tell me. Where is your proof, other than your faith, whichis not proof. It's YOUR responsibility to show the incontrovertible evidence for what you believe in order to demonstrate that what you believe is not a fable. You silly christians alway try and pull this shit every time. How about asking your God to end world hungar, and war. And while your at it, how but getting him to stop your priests form raping little boys.
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Your answer still begs the question. Even if you prove my belief to be a fable, evidence for which you have not provided, you still have to demonstrate that what you believe is not a fable as well in order to criticize my beliefs. You present no evidence of a fable to refute. As for world hunger and war what standard, under atheism, do you use to say those things are either good or bad?
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 its not up to me to prove anything, i already know as does 3/4 of the world's population will agree the bible is a nice book of fiction. The question has been presented to Christians for eons and they cannot prove a damn thing, rather they base it all on faith with no hard evidence. I can give you evidence on the theory of evolution if you'd like :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Atheism is based on faith unless you provide evidence that its true so that would put us in the same boat. I want to see your PROOF for the 3/4 of the world statistic, and even if that were true it does not falsify Theism. Last the theory of evolution says nothing about the existence of God, NO scientific theory does. You really don't understand what you believe do you? My points still stand.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 well i'm still waiting for your proof, buddy. Why are you asking me to prove anything when you refuse to prove it yourself. Typic christian bull shit.
Anberlin sucks :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
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rab38079 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Bull shit is not answering any of my questions. I have shot down everything you have thrown at me. You say what I believe, that there is a God, is a fable, and that what you believe, there is no God, is not, but present no evidence for those assertions. How can I refute what has not been presented. Give me your best argument that Theism is a fable, and Atheism is not, and I will refute it. Bring it. You may need your phone a friend life line for this.
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atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@rab38079 in all seriouslness, why is it when ever you ask a Christian to prove that God exists, the reply will always be - Prove God doesn't exist.....To me thats just a silly answer form someone who can't provide a simple answer. :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
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@atomicfriendo How do you explain how an impersonal, purposeless, meaningless, and amoral universe accidentally created beings (us) who are full of personality and obsessed with purpose, meaning, and morals.
RscChingpow 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo The Laws of Causation speak against the universe being the ultimate cause of everything for the simple fact that the effect must resemble it's Cause. nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness?
RscChingpow 1 year ago
@RscChingpow anberlin sucks :)-~
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo You're entitled to free will, lol
RscChingpow 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo You said what I believe is fable and what you believe is not. Silly is saying something but not backing it up. The original assertions was yours. So show me why Atheism is not a fable?
rab38079 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Actually if you think about, something you will need help with, Atheist are the proof that God exists. See if you tell me why this is TRUE.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 isn't it funny when a christians are asked a straight out question which they know they cannot answer they revert to turning the tables and childish games ....Just anwer my fucking question, if you cant then shut the fuck up. Got that?
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo heres the shit moron, don't confuse athieism with anti god. If being athiest meant anti god then you might have a case but it doesn't. It means that you don't believe in a higher being. Its like you saying that just because I don't belive there is a Santa Clause means thats proof that Santa exist. Sorry but you need to get your head out of your ass fool
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
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rab38079 1 year ago
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@atomicfriendo You replied to yourself. LOL Stop yelling at yourself its not a pretty sight. And stop redefining the word just to make your straw man argument. God is by definition a higher being, at least higher than you or I, so Atheist is anti-God. That's retarded thinking. You still don't get it. Atheist who make arguments against theism are the proof of a God. Do you know why.
rab38079 1 year ago
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@atomicfriendo @atomicfriendo You replied to yourself. LOL Stop yelling at yourself its not a pretty sight. And stop redefining the word just to make your straw man argument. God is by definition a higher being, at least higher than you or I, so Atheist is anti-God. That's retarded thinking. You still don't get it. Atheist who make arguments against theism are the proof of a God. Do you know why.
rab38079 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo The shit is your arguments or the lack there of. No matter what definition you make anyone reading your posts can see you are anti-God. As for Santa Clause he actually on of the many causes Atheism. Please provide me with proof that Atheism is not a fable. How can I believe in it until you do. What sense would it make to substitute on fable for another. I have already answered your question you answer mine.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 look shit head, I'm not anti God. I don't belive there is a God. There's a fucking difference. And don't ask me to prove anything especially after you refuse/can't prove anything yourself. And futhermore, I didn't ask you any fucking question, I ask you to provide proof. So where is it?You have none, right? Look, you sound like a 16 year old twerp with nothing better to do then to argue. Seriously, do you know the definition of Atheism?
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo I did provide proof. I said you are it and I asked you if you know why. So you question is asked and answered. Clearly you don't understand Atheism. I also asked you to provide me evidence that Atheism is not a fable. I mean how can I give up Theism for Atheism without that evidence. Otherwise I would be substituting one fable for another. Since you can't provide that evidence clearly believing in fables is something you are comfortable with.
rab38079 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Here I will give you the hint you so desperately need as to why you are the proof. Atheism has not one but two Achilles heels. They are morality and meaning. Under Atheism you have neither. Morality is subject not objective and you have no objective meaning in an universe that was some cosmic accident yet all you posts contradict those TRUTHS. Tell me why that is, and you will know why there has to be a GOD. Any light bulbs coming on there sparky.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 dude, you're fucked. You're either on drugs or just some sort of radical immigrant who has NO concept of reality. Just stop with yoru silly word games as they become lost in translation. If you can't answer my question then just shut the hell up. You can say whatever you want but unitl you provide me with a shread of proof for your agrument, youre just a fool. Fuck off fool .
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
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rab38079 1 year ago
You are the proof as I said before. Asked and answered. I even helped you with knowing why and this is all you have. The best you could say given your epic failure here is that you believe in the same kind of fable that you say I believe in. Again why does a creature, with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as if those things actually exists? Not only have the tables been turned the rug has been pulled out from under you.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 give it up. Youre just a brainwashed idiot. I feel sorry for yur children.
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
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@atomicfriendo Clearly you have given up because you can't answer my questions.
rab38079 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo You believe in a Fable and I'm the idiot.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 dude are you brain dead or just a little slow? How do I believe in a fable? FYI Atheism is NOT anti god no matter what you think. It means you don't believe in a god or religion. I guess it serves me right for asking for a straight answer for a silly christian, or whatever you are.
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Just like you require of Theism, Atheism is a fable until you provide evidence that it is not. If you can't it still stands as fable to any fair minded observer. And since you believe Theism is a fable that would make you birds of a feather with Theists. Both have a fable as world view. Oh and what about my STRAIGHT FORWARD question. Why does a creature(you), with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as? if those things actually exists?
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 so, you are bascially saying you have not a shred of proof that god exists but instead of admiting it you want me to prove he doesn't exist. Botton line, you failed as do all theories of religion, you're just too pretentious to realize this:)-~.
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo No you are saying that. Your also not providing me the evidence that Atheism is any different than Theism. And why can't you answer my question. Why does a creature(you), with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as? if those things actually exists? Just answer it. Its simple enough just like you. I already know the answer and so do you. The answer is just to horrifying and earth shattering to come to terms with. Answer it sparky.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 I give up. You can't provide any proof so you try and talk your way around, surprose surprise. I can answer you question pal, but i asked you first. And Im talking real proof, like jesus dna or pieces of the arc...you know, scientific stuff that christians can't admit to. Bring it on
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo You did not ask first, I did. I know you can answer my question you just won't because to answer it rationally would prove me right. And as for Jesus DNA and what not you still beg the question. Here let me help. You could falsify Christianity and still have made no head way in proving atheism is not itself a fable. First one has demonstrate that your position, that there is not God, is true before it makes sense to talk about what God is like or how He interacts with us.
rab38079 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Answer my question coward. Why does a creature(you), with no objective meaning, or basis for morality, make arguments as? if those things actually exists? Bring it on.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 I'm not answering any of your foolish fucking questions asshole until you answer mine. And why are you acting so childish? or are you just a child?
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo Thought said you could, guess you lied. Providing the foundation upon which all your other arguments rest is not foolishness. Calling me names instead of answering it is. I already have answered your question. You are the proof that Theism is true. You will know that if you answer my question honestly. Let see if you have the guts.
rab38079 1 year ago
@rab38079 I never said I could BTW. Look moron, if you're trying to trick me into saying something then you truly are a fool. So stop your gay little play on my words if you don't know how to answer a question properly without being a smart assed little cunt and get a fucking life.
atomicfriendo 1 year ago
@atomicfriendo I quote you "I can answer you question pal, but i asked you first." Sounds like you said you could to me. My question goes to the foundation of you belief system, but you can't answer it. What does that say about your atheist belief, it based on nothing. I however answered your question. You are the proof of theism, you will know that when you honestly answer the question. If you can't answer it you will need to rethink your world view.
rab38079 1 year ago