Love both CNC and Starcraft games, but i think starcraft is far more superior from playing them both... Too bad i cant find anoy more copies of red alert these days, but i can still find starcraft 1
Well Generals 2 has been announced along with a trailer. To be honest, i'll have a lot more fun playing that when it comes out than either of these games. Right now im just waiting for Legacy of the Void atm though
I haven't played RA3 since SC2 came out, but RA3 was a great game and there really is no denying that. I would still be playing it just as much as SC2 if it had a decent friggin interface. It's almost impossible to get a game started in RA3 and the match making is awful. That alone was the coffin nail for me. With SC2 I can log on and be playing inside of 2 minutes.
SC seems a bit harder to learn......I will agree, RA2 was something else. Easier to play and interesting. RA3 is kinda, just.....too much. Hey, what about Tiberian Sun/Tiberium?
sc2. if you say ra3, you've never played sc2. i own both actually and love ra3 a lot, expecially the coop campaign. but sc2 beats it in every other way, including graphics. this video does sc2 no honor. the campaigns for both games are almost equally creative and intuitive, but sc2 wins by a margin.
I was a command & conquer fan. but after playing starcraft 2 i have to say SC2 is the much better game.
It is the most balanced(most important aspect of RTS games) and also the most fast paced modern RTS game out there, And because its an esport, there are many pros and a bigger stronger community, which makes the game much more challenging & fun because players who compete in ladder will impart strategies from pros or push themselves harder to a certain competitive level.
Look,I had a millions arguments with sc/sc2 fans/fan boys so i will get this short...
take sc2,c&c3 and ra3,then play 5 min into game and then tell me what game is more more fast paced and have more possibilities then you will have answer.
I will give you just a hint,in c&c3 and ra3 you build buildings faster and train units faster what can be = a fast phase game......take sc1 and ra2 for example,ra2 is faster there is no doubt about that.
@Wlof25 Obtuse CNC fanboy has no idea what he's talking about. In the first five minutes, yeah C&C is probably faster paced because unless someone is cheesing or doing some really fast rush...not much happens within the first five minutes of a Starcraft game. Now play thirty minutes of SC2 and any C&C game and you'll find that overall, Starcraft is by far the faster and more intricate game.
Awwww,you blocked me,that is too bad,I sent you a message just to point how your rush list have no sense and you didint explain anything I asked you too and I saw it diditn get sent...well too bad
Now be a good fanboy and go suck your "perfect" starcraft 2 and leave objective arguments to adults
anmd dont reply on peoples messages if youa re gonna troll and insult them all that time.
@fleeingcool You mean, you don't think Starcraft is a superior game to RA3??? Not sure how you can deny it-- when RA3 was a flop, while SC2 was a huge success.
Agree there is no RTS that can beat the RA3 OST, and theres something that makes it unique than just a normal casual RTS with dark atmosphere and all about space adventure or some kind of sci fi alien shit.
@FourKelvin not really.. it was like that in SC1; either play FASTEST MAP POSSIBLE or 1v1 python vs some guy who got much better at the game than the game developers anticipated. Luckily in battle.net the ranking system helps a lot. theres leagues bronze-grandmaster, even a practice league for people who are totally brand new, and trust me, the people in bronze are not hard. if you play the game lets say once a day 1v1, you'll get promoted from bronze in a month tops.
Starcraft 2 is superior. It's an E-Sport for crying out loud. It's a game that takes skill, and even has a professional area which you can make money off of. You can't even get that good without using hot keys for half the stuff you build. Anyone who thinks that kiddie game is better is just crazy.
@kervin3233 What's wrong with bright colors? It adds so much more diversity to graphics instead of just one themed maps (forrest, rocks, etc.)..just look at Mirror's Edge, it looks amazing because it's very bright, we need more bright games with good graphics like RA3.
Well you wouldn't understand unless you've loved it since you were little kid.
Westwood, the creater of the very first RTS... They first created cnc way before than Starcraft. They expanded it with colorful , fun style by bringing ra2. Ea took it further by turning them into 3d and made ra3.
The style of the game is suppose to be Fun , and *Colorful (not meant to be taken seriously)
and you are saying SC2 is not childish? Seriously all that aliens and galactic adventure...ooo
btw, in Dune 2 you couldn't control multiple units simultaneusly, only one. In Warcraft 1, the big thing was that you could select four at the same time! :D
@that1dude0092 Yeah, I think so.Not sure if it is too big of an invention though. But it is funny, when looking at the earliest rts-games, how the obvious solutions (like controlling multiple units at the same time, being able to hotkey etc) didn't come until several years passed. In Dune 2, not only you had to select the one single unit you were going to use, but to left click on the actions-menu to either attack or move and then select where (not to mention moving to enemy wouldnt attack it)^^
I am a longtime Star/Warcraft fanboy currently enjoying the hell out of RA3 and Uprising. I'm not going to pay $150 to get all three releases of StarCraft 2: I'll pick it up in the inevitable Battle Chest release with the whole shebang for less than half the original price.
Why compare bullshit shitty red alert to starcraft . At least compare command and conquer tiberium wars to starcraft . Those are the two best RTS games in existence
@jtgtjtgt yeah...no. Those 2 games are CHILDISH, "ooooooh, space adventures! yay!!" (Starcraft) "You better hurry, out ENTIRE lives are based on this rock, called Tiberium!!!"
@RA3xxMaNiiaC really , what an ignorant way to look at things i feel sorry for idiots like you that miss out on games because theres not blood gore and cursing .
In terms of graphics, Starcraft 2: Better shadows (ambient occlusion, multiple and sharper shadow edges), higher resolution terrain textures. Red Alert 3: More realistic and higher resolution unit and building textures, vastly superior graphics over water. The Draw: Uses mostly the same lighting, shader and reflection effects (except shadows), explosions and smoke comparable, but RA3 utilizes too much bloom (good, but overkill). If you can run RA3 maxed, you can run SC2 maxed.
@creamie123 Also, Starcraft 2 uses much more CPU power for AI and effects, but sadly utilizes only 2 cores, so a tri-core, quad-core or hexa-core for SC2 = much of your CPU wasted. Some i3s or E9000s actually outperform their i7s or Q9000 quad-core counterparts by a lot due to this. Hopefully a quad/hexa-core optimization patch gets released, just like Bad Company 2 and Dirt 2.
@creamie123 Also in terms of gameplay, RA3 = much more fast-paced, but sometimes imbalanced for higher-tier units at the end-game (Soviets have no counter to Jap spaceship or Alliance sky fortress), faster building, faster resource gathering, units and buildings die much faster. Starcraft 2 = exact opposite; while still fast-paced, but nowhere as fast as RA3, but is extremely balanced. Spaceships replace naval units, but no naval combat.
sorry to get in like this....but what Japanese spaceship and what Alliance sky fortress?
something similar have in Uprising but that is just ra3 single player and no one care about that if is it imbalanced because ra3 vanilla have multiplayer
and because of that you cant sey that is inbalanced because it is only story mode and ingle player....just like starcraft 2 story we have lots of imbalanced units but who cares it is only single player...that was my point :)
@Wlof25 Oh ya, forgot that Uprising is only single player! RA3 is relatively balanced, but it would be much better if they can transfer the Archer Maiden to RA3. The Japs need an early AA unit. Maybe tone it down a little, 50 Archer Maidens = can tear down almost everything if used well. Anti-air, anti-tank, anti-building, anti-infantry, cheap cost all in one package.
@Wlof25 Oh new CnC is planned? It could be the continuation of Generals. Generals was epic. Hope they do not ruin it ... but I think they will, again.
Red Alert 3 was not that bad, C&C4 is the worst of all! I hope you can make a video which dedicates to "C&C4 VS SC2", and if you do release that, people will go crazy for SC2 & it'll embarrass EALA even more when they hit back C&C4 really hard. ;) Trust me, it's going to be fun.
Right... players won't prove anything, Ra3 just needs more support as usual EA stops supporting their games. More people plays SC as they think its so cool with its childish space adventure and we all know that blizzard always supports their games. The main thing is that Sc1 was a huge hit specially among the Koreans who helped to make it more popular eventhough it's that special.
Can't believe u actually believe one of those RA2->RA3 thingies.
Exactly what? the fact that RA2 has unbalanced gameplay or the fact its all about spam spam spam no micro really. The pace is super fast, you see tanks speeding like a jeep.
Sure Japan has high tech units that doesn't make them OP.
They are rather fragile and weak armored but deals good amount of damage and they are very versitale.
Soviets are just the normal guys with huge slow tanks, while allies have the experimental fast units, while Japan has the most fluid units which require a good microing skills.
Oh then fine you have played RA3, then I have been wondering why do you make such a stupid false statements?
If you have played RA3 who told you the EMPIRE is so OP ohoh. Right even if you have played you just didn't play it long enough or just too stupid to realize such a simple thing.
@wildferocitylordz Both of them are good. star craft 2 and ra3 both have disadvantage and advantage.
What i love about starcraft is that it has facial 3d camera view, and nice cutscnes.
and what i love about ra3 that starcraft does not have is that, the controls are waay easier in ra3. the way u build, mouse scrolling, selecting certain units from a group and such...Also u set each factory to build 99 units but in starcraft it was 6 or 7.
@wildferocitylordz red alert 3 was released on 2008 and starcraft 2 was released on 2010 i was hoping for graphical improvement but they are almost the same.
You made RA3 looks like a winner, but actually SC2 epicly win because Blizzard made SC2 better than the first one (I think) while EA screwed up C&C shit to bits.
i want to get red alert 3 but its had so many bad views and it seems to be more about the hot women now than the actually gameplay, dont get me wronge a game with women in is awsome but they should have better gameplay. i dont want my parents comming in seeing a women on my screen with tight clothes, akward. also starcraft 2 is amazing but playing people online is so boring because it goes too quick, everyone rushes, theres not many things to build, not many strategies as red alert 2,
@Wlof25 my GOD ur still arguing on this vid??!? To anyone seeing this comment, Wlof25 has been arguing on this video since a few months after it came out. No exaggeration
RA3 is still good the gameplay is almost the same as RA2 except for the resource gathering (Ore fields are now replaced by ore nodes). But yes, it's almost like softcore porn.
Red Alert 3 is better in my opinion i played both but red alert 3 is better. Even though star craft 2 was released this year . Ra3 had better graphics. and ra3 is really balanced and addicting. I just love it.
100 % that any C&C pats can beat SC2 and 1 , in quality , in graphics , in gameplay , in mission briefings , in construction , in explosion , in SC atom bombs are like few c4 planted , i thought when i played i saw the bomb , i thought , " oo yeah , this will be awesome " than i saw and that was like " ........... what the ......... , thats a piece of shit , i knew that C&C is much better in all .
I play sc2 right now and i can clearly say that sc2 is also very cartoony and units look like toys....take helions for example they look like toys cars and they dont even move realistic,Thor is all huge and blocky and looks like toy and more of them.
you cant have 2 expansions for game plus...it minus,you will pay 120$ more to see end of the story?
blizzard just milking money,I play campaign and I like lots of things but I am not impressed .
im not fan of either product but after playing quite long of both games (SC2 still not released, so i'll take summs from beta) i can say that RA3 is better graphically (water) and gameplay wise, if it comes to unit variety. I can't stand to limited choice of units to build and especially when each one of them has a circle of weaknesses against certain units. RA3 has so much more things to build and they are not bound to be killed by their "week" spots
@CircleofModerators I was an old red alert fan and I think it was better that ea took it, they didn't made it worse they made it better, you freaking haters just won't realise it.
I gotto say that it's way more balanced than ra2 and ra1, in ra2 soviets owned allies in a smmall map, in big maps allies used to own soviets but in ra3, it depends on the player!
You made Red Alert 3 look better in this video, but that is just because you were focusing on a big battle of SC2 that didn't really show the elements of it. Make another one that shows the elements of countering with SC2 units as well in certain situations.
@Manoaureal I think it only worked for the old Mac computers with those colors on the side. I originally got my first copy from my friend who played it on one of those computers and I had a windows.
@cncfan I installed SC on my Bootcamp (windows 7) and it worked on it, and i tried to play Diablo II on Win7 and it didn't worked (maybe i need to install a patch) i installed SC brood war and it has some serious graphics issues on the menu and cutscenes but the gameplay works almost normally, and i installed Warcraft 3 on the OS X and it runs natively (sorry but thats not much of a reply i guess, more like a tip for people who have a mac).
@cncfan i could elaborate how programing langwiges evolved over time and how that explanes that old game genraly run on both but i am to lazy for that
@emotionalpunkboy strategy games for consoles are horrible(controls) and the building sistem that EA iniciated with CnC Tiberium wars 3 is lame compared to generals, they removed those massive infantry armies that were cool (but they cant destroy a building in less than 2 hours which is lame) and SC2 follow a old RTS sistem which i like and it has custom game modes made by the community. and why does RA3 isnt available for mac on steam if it runs on OS X?
@Manoaureal huh? I actually like the new controls better than generals, starcraft or other older ra series. Play with it get used to it u'll find that its more useful and really helpful when playing online. Seriously in sc2, u cant select ur factories from the menu, no fast scrolling, only 6 or 7 units buildable at a time, i dunno if u can select certein types of units from a group theres a lot more things i hate about sc.
Steam sucks anyways, no mods etc. for ps3 and xbox its better than nothin
@Wlof25 Yeah, the map editor is amazing for SC2 you can even make fps like call of duty however if you created really good maps, blizzard can put a fee to download the map. I remember a time where blizzard was good, before the activision merge.
I didnt hear that but I hear that it will be dota clones...
but that is just another blizzard money taking move....
you should check some of sc2 forums,because i saw there how some of fans complains of blizz and also Korean Fair Trade Commission complain how blizz is unfair for example,if you create some map that map belong to blizzard and so on....very very sad
Love both CNC and Starcraft games, but i think starcraft is far more superior from playing them both... Too bad i cant find anoy more copies of red alert these days, but i can still find starcraft 1
DFProductionsTM 1 week ago
Ra 3 is better of course
Timx4 1 week ago
For the competitive scene Starcraft is the boss.
Command and Conquer is an unknown name in the competitive scene.
MineIts 3 weeks ago
i vote for stacraft 2 cuz i hate EA
but the original Red ALERT RAPES Starcraft
Gatecrusherify 3 weeks ago
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starcraft is a game. command and conquer is a religion.
ForlanElCapo 3 weeks ago
They both pretty ok or good games or wuteva but RA2 would beat them both
putbye1 1 month ago
Well Generals 2 has been announced along with a trailer. To be honest, i'll have a lot more fun playing that when it comes out than either of these games. Right now im just waiting for Legacy of the Void atm though
MrIlive4metal 1 month ago
@MrIlive4metal I can't wait :D
cncfan 1 month ago
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ThePsionicMatrixTM 4 weeks ago
I haven't played RA3 since SC2 came out, but RA3 was a great game and there really is no denying that. I would still be playing it just as much as SC2 if it had a decent friggin interface. It's almost impossible to get a game started in RA3 and the match making is awful. That alone was the coffin nail for me. With SC2 I can log on and be playing inside of 2 minutes.
shinehouse 1 month ago
red alert 3!!!!!!
dalewachoo 1 month ago
Vacumm Impoler Proton Colaider Psionic Decimator vs The Terran mini nuke
lmao
Gatecrusherify 3 months ago
@JohannBrigtsenNOR Lmao, your funny dude. COD is one of least strategic games ever.
xAsILaySnipingx 3 months ago
Lol i say both are shit. play CoH thats some real strategy and tactic
JohannBrigtsenNOR 3 months ago
star craft 2 fucking Hardcore soldiers i love that
sergeant07 3 months ago
SC seems a bit harder to learn......I will agree, RA2 was something else. Easier to play and interesting. RA3 is kinda, just.....too much. Hey, what about Tiberian Sun/Tiberium?
schm147 3 months ago
starcraft 2 the best
Apestank 4 months ago 2
Video description:*WATCH IN HI DEF*
Me: *trollface*
GhostP69 4 months ago
sc2. if you say ra3, you've never played sc2. i own both actually and love ra3 a lot, expecially the coop campaign. but sc2 beats it in every other way, including graphics. this video does sc2 no honor. the campaigns for both games are almost equally creative and intuitive, but sc2 wins by a margin.
olin3434 5 months ago
sc2 ..
leGianflavio 5 months ago
I was a command & conquer fan. but after playing starcraft 2 i have to say SC2 is the much better game.
It is the most balanced(most important aspect of RTS games) and also the most fast paced modern RTS game out there, And because its an esport, there are many pros and a bigger stronger community, which makes the game much more challenging & fun because players who compete in ladder will impart strategies from pros or push themselves harder to a certain competitive level.
frostymourne 5 months ago
@frostymourne
SC2 is a good game,I didi play sp but not mp and I like it but still i think it is overrated.
second thing sc2 is not the most fast paced modern RTS game out there....c&c3 and ra3 are more fast paced games and that is a fact.
But you are right about balance,blizzard at least do their job to balance game,not like EA.stop supporting games after 2 patches...
Wlof25 5 months ago
@Wlof25 You don't know what you're talking about, Starcraft 2 is "more fast paced" than both of those games.
Gnafar11 2 months ago
@Gnafar11
Look,I had a millions arguments with sc/sc2 fans/fan boys so i will get this short...
take sc2,c&c3 and ra3,then play 5 min into game and then tell me what game is more more fast paced and have more possibilities then you will have answer.
I will give you just a hint,in c&c3 and ra3 you build buildings faster and train units faster what can be = a fast phase game......take sc1 and ra2 for example,ra2 is faster there is no doubt about that.
Wlof25 2 months ago
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Gnafar11 2 months ago
@Wlof25 Obtuse CNC fanboy has no idea what he's talking about. In the first five minutes, yeah C&C is probably faster paced because unless someone is cheesing or doing some really fast rush...not much happens within the first five minutes of a Starcraft game. Now play thirty minutes of SC2 and any C&C game and you'll find that overall, Starcraft is by far the faster and more intricate game.
C&C is just tank spam and everyone knows it.
Gnafar11 2 months ago
@Gnafar11
Call me fanboy,I dont care but it is pointless to argue here I will send you private message soon,after I do some stuff first
Wlof25 2 months ago
@Gnafar11
Awwww,you blocked me,that is too bad,I sent you a message just to point how your rush list have no sense and you didint explain anything I asked you too and I saw it diditn get sent...well too bad
Now be a good fanboy and go suck your "perfect" starcraft 2 and leave objective arguments to adults
anmd dont reply on peoples messages if youa re gonna troll and insult them all that time.
Wlof25 2 months ago
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@Wlof25
"leave objective arguments to adults"
How about you practice what you preach, also grow a brain before you attempt to engage in discussion.
You're calling me a troll because I "insulted" you? I'm not trolling, I just can't deal with fucking idiots right now. So sorry.
Gnafar11 2 months ago
@Gnafar11 cnc has paved the path of all rts games, including starcraft. show some respect heretic!
additionally, blizzard ripped warhammer 40k and everyone knows it.
taste your own medicine.
Rototornik 1 month ago
@Rototornik Shut up.
Gnafar11 1 month ago
@Gnafar11 burn.
Rototornik 1 month ago
@Rototornik Hardly.
Gnafar11 1 month ago
@Rototornik Mad Command and Conquer fanboy just can't accept the fact his game is mediocre and inferior.
Gnafar11 1 month ago
@Gnafar11 i personally like DoW series more, and im defending cnc from pure nostalgia.
i actually used to care about fail zerg trolls but then i took a reason to the head.
FUS-RO-DAH!
Rototornik 1 month ago
@Rototornik Lol, okay.
Gnafar11 1 month ago
@Gnafar11 srsly you think starcraft is better than RA3, haha kids these days
fleeingcool 1 month ago
@fleeingcool You mean, you don't think Starcraft is a superior game to RA3??? Not sure how you can deny it-- when RA3 was a flop, while SC2 was a huge success.
Gnafar11 1 month ago
Red alert 3
TyrannoHassleberry1 5 months ago
SC2>RA2>RA3
SomeEpicGameplay 5 months ago 2
I only played starcraft 2 demo but it was breathtaking gameplay when i played ra3 it was a fucked up version of ra 2 wich was good
matex600 5 months ago
Both GOOD RTS BUT SC@ REQUIRES FLEXIBILITY AND SPEED WHILE RA3 REQUIRES QUICK DECISIONS AND GOOD PLAN OF BUDGET :D
madara435 5 months ago
Soviets ftw
blackhand787 5 months ago
Both great games, but Starcraft2 requires more thinking.
ExoSteampunk 6 months ago
Supreme Commander is more fun to me than both.
Venomclaw123 6 months ago
i think they are both different rts
xDFoRcEzZ 6 months ago
They're both awesome, stop commenting, thumbs up, and grow up people!
JayrolLim2 6 months ago
I can judge about 2 games on replay videos here on youtube. Never seen epic Red Alert 3 replays here, and lot of Starcraft 2.
izvarzone 7 months ago
Red Alert 3: better music
Starcraft II:BORING
z0netr00per005 7 months ago
@z0netr00per005
Agree there is no RTS that can beat the RA3 OST, and theres something that makes it unique than just a normal casual RTS with dark atmosphere and all about space adventure or some kind of sci fi alien shit.
PsionicAnnihilator 6 months ago
The Problem is:
SCII is full of lifeless uber pros, thats why you cant really play it online
FourKelvin 7 months ago
@FourKelvin not really.. it was like that in SC1; either play FASTEST MAP POSSIBLE or 1v1 python vs some guy who got much better at the game than the game developers anticipated. Luckily in battle.net the ranking system helps a lot. theres leagues bronze-grandmaster, even a practice league for people who are totally brand new, and trust me, the people in bronze are not hard. if you play the game lets say once a day 1v1, you'll get promoted from bronze in a month tops.
Lucky466 7 months ago
@Lucky466
ehm, i know, i have the game.
and i cant really play online, cuz i even get raped in Bronze League.
And it is supposed to be the Noob-League. So if you cant even play for fun in the Noob-League, the game is not fun at all...
The only thing wich keeps SC alive is the Galaxy editor, wich actually enables Mod-Maps.
But my (personal) final verdict: SCII < RA3
FourKelvin 7 months ago
@FourKelvin lawl u dont like sc2 cuz u suck lolololololol
Baalx3 7 months ago
SC1, SC2, and more of them SUX
SuperZeke3 7 months ago
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Andre87051 8 months ago
Also, this is 2 years before the game Starcraft 2 came out... It looks much, much better now... And it's a balanced game.
ImJustAnotherDaniel 8 months ago
Starcraft 2 is superior. It's an E-Sport for crying out loud. It's a game that takes skill, and even has a professional area which you can make money off of. You can't even get that good without using hot keys for half the stuff you build. Anyone who thinks that kiddie game is better is just crazy.
ImJustAnotherDaniel 8 months ago
Nuclear Technology has migrated to Starcraft, it's all EA's fault!
yeojmik24 8 months ago
FAKE VACUUM IMPLODER
6missiles 9 months ago
ra3 looks lame here
but if you are a talented commander (on all the cnc series)
you can see a hammer tank shooting rockets to a harbinger gunship and not die, a conscript beating tanya and soviet win and allies lose
6missiles 9 months ago
They made SC2 look like some "not so fun game" in this video...
I mean.. Just look at RA3.. LOOKS more CHILDISH than ever..
Bright Sun? Bright Colors? oh oh wait.. a BLACK HOLE! Wow. Amazing.. Looks gay.
kervin3233 9 months ago
@kervin3233 What's wrong with bright colors? It adds so much more diversity to graphics instead of just one themed maps (forrest, rocks, etc.)..just look at Mirror's Edge, it looks amazing because it's very bright, we need more bright games with good graphics like RA3.
SMRDcompany 9 months ago
@kervin3233
Well you wouldn't understand unless you've loved it since you were little kid.
Westwood, the creater of the very first RTS... They first created cnc way before than Starcraft. They expanded it with colorful , fun style by bringing ra2. Ea took it further by turning them into 3d and made ra3.
The style of the game is suppose to be Fun , and *Colorful (not meant to be taken seriously)
and you are saying SC2 is not childish? Seriously all that aliens and galactic adventure...ooo
emotionalpunkboy 9 months ago
@emotionalpunkboy Westwood made the first RTS, yeah, but that was not C&C, it was Dune 2.
Blizzard made WC1 and WC2 before c&c1 came out.
GG
akedibo 8 months ago
@akedibo Yea I know, Dune was almost like CNC , the gameplay etc.
What I am saying is that Westwood or the creater of CNC invented RTS. SO if there were no Westwood maybe there wouldn't be starcraft.
So give some respect.
emotionalpunkboy 8 months ago
@emotionalpunkboy they didnt really invent the rts genre
they revolutionized it
I heard westwood was the first company to make an rts game where you control Multiple units at the same time
in warcraft you can control like 20 at the same time
that1dude0092 8 months ago
@that1dude0092 Dune 2 by Westwood is quite generally accepted to be the first game to be called RTS, as we define it these days. :)
saloneju 7 months ago
btw, in Dune 2 you couldn't control multiple units simultaneusly, only one. In Warcraft 1, the big thing was that you could select four at the same time! :D
saloneju 7 months ago
@saloneju oh
but wasnt the first C&C
(tiberian dawn) introduced the ability to control many units that you want?
that1dude0092 7 months ago
@that1dude0092 Yeah, I think so.Not sure if it is too big of an invention though. But it is funny, when looking at the earliest rts-games, how the obvious solutions (like controlling multiple units at the same time, being able to hotkey etc) didn't come until several years passed. In Dune 2, not only you had to select the one single unit you were going to use, but to left click on the actions-menu to either attack or move and then select where (not to mention moving to enemy wouldnt attack it)^^
saloneju 7 months ago
in red alert 3, u can send engineer to capture a building except base defence but in sc2, whether it is possible or not? hmmm...
josephtan1818 9 months ago
Both are great and i play ra3 and sc2 a lot maybe 10hours a day after school but in this vid the sc2 is quite lame but sc2 is cool i tell you
madara435 10 months ago
I am a longtime Star/Warcraft fanboy currently enjoying the hell out of RA3 and Uprising. I'm not going to pay $150 to get all three releases of StarCraft 2: I'll pick it up in the inevitable Battle Chest release with the whole shebang for less than half the original price.
theotherspartan 10 months ago
@theotherspartan ur missing out man
4thGearReviews 8 months ago
Why compare bullshit shitty red alert to starcraft . At least compare command and conquer tiberium wars to starcraft . Those are the two best RTS games in existence
jtgtjtgt 1 year ago
@jtgtjtgt yeah...no. Those 2 games are CHILDISH, "ooooooh, space adventures! yay!!" (Starcraft) "You better hurry, out ENTIRE lives are based on this rock, called Tiberium!!!"
Yeah that sounds fun. :P
RA3xxMaNiiaC 1 year ago
@RA3xxMaNiiaC thats why its called games.....
omataqo123 1 year ago
@RA3xxMaNiiaC really , what an ignorant way to look at things i feel sorry for idiots like you that miss out on games because theres not blood gore and cursing .
jtgtjtgt 1 year ago
@jtgtjtgt you ment compare the ORGINAL command and conquer to the ORGNIAL starcraft, that way it would be better (fuck graphics)
ilikenewbies457 1 year ago
@ilikenewbies457 Um no i meant the amazing tiberium wars to starcraft
jtgtjtgt 1 year ago
@jtgtjtgt tiberium wars to starcraft?
Tiberium is great and if ra3 was in ra3 would own everything it is clearly better than tiberium.
Renegade , and cnc 4 failed. The rest, rocked.
emotionalpunkboy 11 months ago
@emotionalpunkboy Um i kinda agree well mostly but ra3 wasn't better than tiberium wars
jtgtjtgt 11 months ago
In terms of graphics, Starcraft 2: Better shadows (ambient occlusion, multiple and sharper shadow edges), higher resolution terrain textures. Red Alert 3: More realistic and higher resolution unit and building textures, vastly superior graphics over water. The Draw: Uses mostly the same lighting, shader and reflection effects (except shadows), explosions and smoke comparable, but RA3 utilizes too much bloom (good, but overkill). If you can run RA3 maxed, you can run SC2 maxed.
creamie123 1 year ago
@creamie123 Also, Starcraft 2 uses much more CPU power for AI and effects, but sadly utilizes only 2 cores, so a tri-core, quad-core or hexa-core for SC2 = much of your CPU wasted. Some i3s or E9000s actually outperform their i7s or Q9000 quad-core counterparts by a lot due to this. Hopefully a quad/hexa-core optimization patch gets released, just like Bad Company 2 and Dirt 2.
creamie123 1 year ago
@creamie123 Also in terms of gameplay, RA3 = much more fast-paced, but sometimes imbalanced for higher-tier units at the end-game (Soviets have no counter to Jap spaceship or Alliance sky fortress), faster building, faster resource gathering, units and buildings die much faster. Starcraft 2 = exact opposite; while still fast-paced, but nowhere as fast as RA3, but is extremely balanced. Spaceships replace naval units, but no naval combat.
creamie123 1 year ago
@creamie123
sorry to get in like this....but what Japanese spaceship and what Alliance sky fortress?
something similar have in Uprising but that is just ra3 single player and no one care about that if is it imbalanced because ra3 vanilla have multiplayer
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25 lol the Giga Fortress in Uprising.
creamie123 1 year ago
@creamie123
I know....
and because of that you cant sey that is inbalanced because it is only story mode and ingle player....just like starcraft 2 story we have lots of imbalanced units but who cares it is only single player...that was my point :)
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25 Oh ya, forgot that Uprising is only single player! RA3 is relatively balanced, but it would be much better if they can transfer the Archer Maiden to RA3. The Japs need an early AA unit. Maybe tone it down a little, 50 Archer Maidens = can tear down almost everything if used well. Anti-air, anti-tank, anti-building, anti-infantry, cheap cost all in one package.
creamie123 1 year ago
@creamie123
Yea but they would have to balance it a lot then...but EA games dont support ra3 anymore...to bad
and as I heard new c&c is planned but it is to early to know what universe....lets hope that they will do a good jobs :D
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25 Oh new CnC is planned? It could be the continuation of Generals. Generals was epic. Hope they do not ruin it ... but I think they will, again.
creamie123 1 year ago
STARCRAFT FTW IF YOU WANT STARCRAFT THUMBS UP
kidlink4OoT 1 year ago
look, SC2 beats RA3 but RA2 beats all!
deathlordoo 1 year ago
well red alert 3 does certainly look better and spectacular but still have to check out the overall gameplay
elchapetas 1 year ago
Both of them are great
TheSandRobotos 1 year ago
red alert 3 is better the thing is when will red alert 4 come out
killroyify 1 year ago
RA3>RA2 SC2>SC SupCom>TA...seriously people have to learn how to move forward in technology/actually advance :/
999cheetos999 1 year ago
RA2 > RA3... all i gotta say
danielgirotto 1 year ago 12
@danielgirotto RA > RA2 > RA3, all I gotta say ;)
saloneju 7 months ago
pshh, red alert 2 and Sc1 pwns all!
themw2montager 1 year ago
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starcraft 2 is copy C&C, WH, Supreme commander 1 , blizzard QnA told me . really
Kolhunter 1 year ago
Red Alert 3 has NICE WOMEN
SC2 NO WOMEN but very good game
KH132 1 year ago
@KH132 you mean you dont like them protoss chix?
cwj415 1 year ago
Red Alert 3 was not that bad, C&C4 is the worst of all! I hope you can make a video which dedicates to "C&C4 VS SC2", and if you do release that, people will go crazy for SC2 & it'll embarrass EALA even more when they hit back C&C4 really hard. ;) Trust me, it's going to be fun.
arrowghost 1 year ago
RED ALERT 3 IS BEST
zoidySVK 1 year ago
You had the epic parts from red alert and no epic battles from Starcraft 2. You made red alert look like a much better game. But it is not :-P
Nacke3000 1 year ago
@Nacke3000 YOu kidding? RA3 is a better game even a toddler can tell that...
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago 5
@emotionalpunkboy and thats why SC2 has 11million players while RA3 has about 10k? go play on the playground kid also RA2-> RA3.. RA3 sucks
1233dragon1233 6 months ago
@1233dragon1233
Right... players won't prove anything, Ra3 just needs more support as usual EA stops supporting their games. More people plays SC as they think its so cool with its childish space adventure and we all know that blizzard always supports their games. The main thing is that Sc1 was a huge hit specially among the Koreans who helped to make it more popular eventhough it's that special.
Can't believe u actually believe one of those RA2->RA3 thingies.
RA3 > SC but lacks support.
PsionicAnnihilator 6 months ago
@PsionicAnnihilator i dont believe inRA2->RA3 it was my own opinion because i have both gaems and prefer RA2 just better
1233dragon1233 6 months ago
@1233dragon1233
Exactly what? the fact that RA2 has unbalanced gameplay or the fact its all about spam spam spam no micro really. The pace is super fast, you see tanks speeding like a jeep.
PsionicAnnihilator 6 months ago
@PsionicAnnihilator it's still better then the way over powered japanese shit >>
1233dragon1233 6 months ago
@1233dragon1233
OMG you obviously haven't played RA3 at all!
Sure Japan has high tech units that doesn't make them OP.
They are rather fragile and weak armored but deals good amount of damage and they are very versitale.
Soviets are just the normal guys with huge slow tanks, while allies have the experimental fast units, while Japan has the most fluid units which require a good microing skills.
PsionicAnnihilator 6 months ago
@PsionicAnnihilator hahaha yeah i have played RA3 u faggot lol dont go sayin i havent cuz i have lol! your stupid
1233dragon1233 6 months ago
@1233dragon1233
Oh then fine you have played RA3, then I have been wondering why do you make such a stupid false statements?
If you have played RA3 who told you the EMPIRE is so OP ohoh. Right even if you have played you just didn't play it long enough or just too stupid to realize such a simple thing.
PsionicAnnihilator 6 months ago
@wildferocitylordz Both of them are good. star craft 2 and ra3 both have disadvantage and advantage.
What i love about starcraft is that it has facial 3d camera view, and nice cutscnes.
and what i love about ra3 that starcraft does not have is that, the controls are waay easier in ra3. the way u build, mouse scrolling, selecting certain units from a group and such...Also u set each factory to build 99 units but in starcraft it was 6 or 7.
Btw starcraft has great interfrace.
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago
@wildferocitylordz red alert 3 was released on 2008 and starcraft 2 was released on 2010 i was hoping for graphical improvement but they are almost the same.
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago
You made RA3 looks like a winner, but actually SC2 epicly win because Blizzard made SC2 better than the first one (I think) while EA screwed up C&C shit to bits.
GreendayLP870621345 1 year ago
red alert 2.
TheMaku 1 year ago
in StarCraft 2 you press insert to turn left and delete to turn right!
gxycybro 1 year ago
i want to get red alert 3 but its had so many bad views and it seems to be more about the hot women now than the actually gameplay, dont get me wronge a game with women in is awsome but they should have better gameplay. i dont want my parents comming in seeing a women on my screen with tight clothes, akward. also starcraft 2 is amazing but playing people online is so boring because it goes too quick, everyone rushes, theres not many things to build, not many strategies as red alert 2,
crudnup 1 year ago
@crudnup
Ra3 have good gameplay,
starcraft 2 gave slightly better because they making it for 6 yeas and it is a fresh game ....
in short sc2 and ra3 have very gameplay and micro is very important in ra3 as it is in sc2
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25 my GOD ur still arguing on this vid??!? To anyone seeing this comment, Wlof25 has been arguing on this video since a few months after it came out. No exaggeration
Lucky466 1 year ago
@Lucky466
Dude are you retard!?
check last message on here when I replied
and I never asked you here? then why you sending me this?
go and suck sc2 and leave me alone.
Wlof25 1 year ago
@crudnup
RA3 is still good the gameplay is almost the same as RA2 except for the resource gathering (Ore fields are now replaced by ore nodes). But yes, it's almost like softcore porn.
m372466 1 year ago
Red Alert 3 is better in my opinion i played both but red alert 3 is better. Even though star craft 2 was released this year . Ra3 had better graphics. and ra3 is really balanced and addicting. I just love it.
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago
red alert is better red alert 3 uprising is the best believe
wafflewraplgd 1 year ago
Neatto! But a new video must be remade :D.
GAZGHOST123 1 year ago
you make ra3 look god when it really sucks ass STARCRAFT FTW
047022221 1 year ago
why not make a mod Red Alert 3 + Starcraft 2
ive played red alert 2 mods that have starcraft units and buildings
raptordave 1 year ago
Blizzard should steal the C&c and dune franchises from EA.
zenophas 1 year ago
Why RA3? Command & Conquer 3 vs Starcraft 2 would be a better comparison.
m372466 1 year ago
@m372466
You must be joking because CnC3 redefined spam.
It just lacks the same level of micromanagement SC2 has.
Zookerman1232 1 year ago
@Zookerman1232
I think most C&C games are targeted towards more 'casual' players because they don't require too much micro. But still, they are enjoyable.
m372466 1 year ago
100 % that any C&C pats can beat SC2 and 1 , in quality , in graphics , in gameplay , in mission briefings , in construction , in explosion , in SC atom bombs are like few c4 planted , i thought when i played i saw the bomb , i thought , " oo yeah , this will be awesome " than i saw and that was like " ........... what the ......... , thats a piece of shit , i knew that C&C is much better in all .
BIOSHOCKFOXX 1 year ago
agreed sc2 owns but theyre gonna make expansion packs but i hope theyre stand alone ones so i can store more games on my pc
smartbro678 1 year ago
hell, i don't think you can really compare the games. There just 2 different from each other
xXRand0mnameXx 1 year ago
I dunno i kinda dont like star craft cuz of its alien, and wierd creature shaped units.
Red alert 3 looks cooler cuz of more units and more advanced technology . basically, more futuristic.
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago
pros and cons
RA 3 pro:More building options naval battles hot chicks
RA 3 cons:Owned by EA, Cartoonish units
SC 2 pro:sweet graphics, cool units, better story, galaxy editor, two expansions
SC 2 cons:to play the other episodes you have to by the expansions
Winner Starcraft 2
PS:to all C&C fans tell me if you hate EA and what is you reasons
that1dude0092 1 year ago
@that1dude0092
cool units?
and ra3 cartoonish units?
I play sc2 right now and i can clearly say that sc2 is also very cartoony and units look like toys....take helions for example they look like toys cars and they dont even move realistic,Thor is all huge and blocky and looks like toy and more of them.
you cant have 2 expansions for game plus...it minus,you will pay 120$ more to see end of the story?
blizzard just milking money,I play campaign and I like lots of things but I am not impressed .
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25 Milking a franchise?
What about making 3 cnc games in the span of 4 years.
That is milking the franchise.
At least Blizzard actually takes their time making their games and not just crap sequels every year.
And westwood? Well WW is dead. The CNC franchise ended for me after they disbanded.
Its clear that the studio responsible for the last 3 games didn't have the heart to make a game worthy of the legacy they inherited.
Especialy CNC 4.
No basebuilding, unit limit WTF.
thev01 1 year ago
@that1dude0092 they just killed Command and Conquer,Simcity and other good stuffs...
burnfaint21 1 year ago
im not fan of either product but after playing quite long of both games (SC2 still not released, so i'll take summs from beta) i can say that RA3 is better graphically (water) and gameplay wise, if it comes to unit variety. I can't stand to limited choice of units to build and especially when each one of them has a circle of weaknesses against certain units. RA3 has so much more things to build and they are not bound to be killed by their "week" spots
koikei0730 1 year ago
This is not a fair fight. C&C is dead ever since EA took over.
CircleofModerators 1 year ago
@CircleofModerators you are gay? red alert 3 is cool...westwood is cool but you need see red alert is dont dead tiberium is dead
soap770 1 year ago
@soap770 Define 'gay'.
CircleofModerators 1 year ago
@CircleofModerators I was an old red alert fan and I think it was better that ea took it, they didn't made it worse they made it better, you freaking haters just won't realise it.
I gotto say that it's way more balanced than ra2 and ra1, in ra2 soviets owned allies in a smmall map, in big maps allies used to own soviets but in ra3, it depends on the player!
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago
i think there both great games i just like red alert a little better
Jman412123 1 year ago
You made Red Alert 3 look better in this video, but that is just because you were focusing on a big battle of SC2 that didn't really show the elements of it. Make another one that shows the elements of countering with SC2 units as well in certain situations.
giweigel 1 year ago
@giweigel this was the trailer for RA3 so he had no choice and this video was posted way back in 2008 before Tons of SC2 videos were up.
darkedgekilla 1 year ago
Fuck comand and conquer
when sc2 comes out some one WILL make a command and conquer IN sc2
that is the power of the editor. It maynot be at the start, but it will happen
MzS7 1 year ago
@MzS7
Someone should remake Tiberian Sun in the Starcraft 2 engine,deformable terrain,single build ques and all.
That SAGE engine is pure fail compared to the Starcraft 2 engine.
Zookerman1232 1 year ago
I found out how to install SC and D2 on the mac, you need to download the installer at the apple website
Manoaureal 1 year ago
Oh and btw, Starcraft is coming out for mac too, (Score one for SC :D)
Manoaureal 1 year ago
@Manoaureal Thats not really a surprise since the original worked for Mac.
cncfan 1 year ago
@cncfan Really? Do i need a mac specific copy to run it on my mac, because the one i have is pc only.
Manoaureal 1 year ago
@Manoaureal I think it only worked for the old Mac computers with those colors on the side. I originally got my first copy from my friend who played it on one of those computers and I had a windows.
cncfan 1 year ago
@cncfan I installed SC on my Bootcamp (windows 7) and it worked on it, and i tried to play Diablo II on Win7 and it didn't worked (maybe i need to install a patch) i installed SC brood war and it has some serious graphics issues on the menu and cutscenes but the gameplay works almost normally, and i installed Warcraft 3 on the OS X and it runs natively (sorry but thats not much of a reply i guess, more like a tip for people who have a mac).
Manoaureal 1 year ago
@Manoaureal
Starcraft 2 has both the PC and Mac version on one CD.
The Mac version is a bit less optimized due to it's use of opengl rather than microsoft's directx.
Zookerman1232 1 year ago
@cncfan i could elaborate how programing langwiges evolved over time and how that explanes that old game genraly run on both but i am to lazy for that
jannikmt 1 year ago
@cncfan to turn left or right in SC2 press ins or del
and to zoom in roll the mouse wheel
gxycybro 1 year ago
@Manoaureal oh thats great cuz ra3 is available for mac, win , xbox 360 and ps3 (score one for RA3!)
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago
@emotionalpunkboy strategy games for consoles are horrible(controls) and the building sistem that EA iniciated with CnC Tiberium wars 3 is lame compared to generals, they removed those massive infantry armies that were cool (but they cant destroy a building in less than 2 hours which is lame) and SC2 follow a old RTS sistem which i like and it has custom game modes made by the community. and why does RA3 isnt available for mac on steam if it runs on OS X?
Manoaureal 1 year ago
@Manoaureal huh? I actually like the new controls better than generals, starcraft or other older ra series. Play with it get used to it u'll find that its more useful and really helpful when playing online. Seriously in sc2, u cant select ur factories from the menu, no fast scrolling, only 6 or 7 units buildable at a time, i dunno if u can select certein types of units from a group theres a lot more things i hate about sc.
Steam sucks anyways, no mods etc. for ps3 and xbox its better than nothin
emotionalpunkboy 1 year ago
@Manoaureal I forced the people at Gamestop to accept the return of my copy of Command and Conquer 4.
cncfan 1 year ago
@cncfan lol, i wish they make good C&C like generals, I've been playing the old school Starcraft and it's still a great game :D
Manoaureal 1 year ago
@Wlof25 Yeah, the map editor is amazing for SC2 you can even make fps like call of duty however if you created really good maps, blizzard can put a fee to download the map. I remember a time where blizzard was good, before the activision merge.
Plasmacid2097 1 year ago
@Plasmacid2097
I know about editor but as I said if you create a awesome map then anyway that map belong to blizzard
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25 Yeah, DotA is in starcraft 2 now, and I hear its better than the WC3 version, its just gonna keep infecting blizzard games.
Plasmacid2097 1 year ago
@Plasmacid2097
I didnt hear that but I hear that it will be dota clones...
but that is just another blizzard money taking move....
you should check some of sc2 forums,because i saw there how some of fans complains of blizz and also Korean Fair Trade Commission complain how blizz is unfair for example,if you create some map that map belong to blizzard and so on....very very sad
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25
"you didnt say it directly but you did say how it is sport in Korea and it is the most popular rts on world..."
Those are reasons why Starcraft will outlive CnC
Im not even saying that starcraft is better than CnC I think they are both some of the best games ever, I'm just saying that CnC's days are numbered.
Plasmacid2097 1 year ago
@Plasmacid2097
well unfortunately but not because of starcraft it is because EA have lame support of games that is the reason
but we only have hope that they will redeem them selves,
and it is very interesting how sc have big marketing because of Korea i personally think that game would not be so popular without Korea's fanatics
and it is really funny how dota outlive sc and wc3...
just because it is popular....
Wlof25 1 year ago
@lizaswanagan43
second thing is that c&c over the years lost quality,the games are good but lack of balance and patches in that field sc owns.
but if you look at RA3 for example you will see game very similar to sc2,
ra3 is c&c with most micro for example and if EA get little more effort in it they can create a game like sc2.
and sc2 is popular why? because there is marketing all over the world by Korea,by fans and even a fanboys....
and yes sc2 have in some field better things then ra3
Wlof25 1 year ago
@Wlof25 What the hell... Did I say that starcraft is the best? I said that it would outlive CnC.
Plasmacid2097 1 year ago
@Plasmacid2097
you didnt say it directly but you did say how it is sport in Korea and it is the most popular rts on world...
and if you remember I give you numbers on garena that shows that wc3 dota is more popular then starcraft...but that is another story...
My opinion is that sc would not outlive c&c,for example I spend my times on sc forums and i read what fans wanty and say,
lots of them praise sc2 but have a criticism about originality because blzz is famous of his unoriginality
Wlof25 1 year ago