@moloi99 yeah man seriously look it up it was the final battle of he rap olympics i was only 4 at the time and i am from detroit and i saw one of eminems battles even though i dont remember xD but yeah they tied 6 times in a row before juice finally won in the end first prize was 500$ and eminem says he could hace used that money but yeah they had a later battle and eminem won :P and wendy day the comissioner for the rap olymrpics saw him rapping at the hip hop shop and told him to come out :P
@moloi99 dude Big L's verse isn't written. He just used two or three analogy's that he had already used in previous songs before, but the rest of that was off the dome
a lot of the battles towards the bottom are pretty mediocre. check out The Saurus, Illmaculate, Mac Lethal, Dizaster, etc., for some more dope battlers. in fact, check out the whole Grind Time circuit. also, since you posted Juice vs. Eminem from Scribble Jam 97, you should check the other emcees from the same show. Juice and Em was actually the semi-finals. Juice beat Dose One to win it. check out Rhymefest and Dose One (from cLOUDDEAD). they were both there.
SUPERNAT is by far the best freestyle emcee ever to step foot on this earth! Eminem is where he should be behind juice who destroyed him. and of course behind BIGGIE n Big L
@SpitNFlow while Supernat beat Juice, everyone that knows what they are talking about (including Supernat himself) knows Juice is a faaaaaar more technical emcee off the dome.
@eboyd32 Completely True. Juice aka JU-ICE is 1 of the illest ever in my opinion (LISTEN2THEWORDZ & TIP OF THE ICEBERG are both lyrical classics...If it had Primo/Rza/Dre/Pete Rock/Large Professor/Q-Tip/Stoupe type production they'd be more well know as all time classics to me), but in terms of TRULY off the top and/or battlers Juice is considered by most to be the best ever (including current grind time dudes)...Tonedeff was/is a sick battler/GREAT MC also...Elzhi/diabolic/louis logic/one be lo
@SpitNFlow Now I agree Juice is iller of the top & a better battle rapper b-c he's prob THE ILLEST EVER (most agree), but please stop saying he DESTROYED HIM when it went SIX OVERTIMES and JU-ICE says Em is the ILLEST he's ever battled...Em did win 97 Wake Up Show "Freestyler" of the year & that is pretty nice considering the all time ILL emcees who have been on there (Big L/Pun, Wu, Redman, P Monch, Crooked I, Common, G Rap, Juice, Canibus, Chino XL, BIG, Slug, etc)...According to B D Kane
@95qazplm He said that before he battled Supernat I believe. He battled Em in 97 and Supernat in 2000. Up until that point he was undefeated and that best he had battled up to that time was Eminem.
@SpitNFlow "freestyling" is simply a rhyme/verse/hot 16, 32, 64, 100 or whatever that is FREE of style/substance whereas OFF THE TOP was a game they played back in the day for fun....When dudes go on radio shows to spit, 99% of the time it's mostly written obviously and noone is going to sound consistently DOPE literally OFF THE TOP of the head (and even the off the top ppl are mixing in past written/ill lines)
@linusff 1. he lost to Juice at Scribble Jam 97. 2. he isn't all that amazing off the top (i'd actually put Eyedea much higher on the list, including over Em as well. he should also be below Blackthough and a few others imo). one of the few times i've even seen him come decent when he's truly off the top was on the Wake Up show (i think) when the host (probably Sway, but i haven't heard it in a while) was feeding him words. he kept tripping up, but he still sounded decent.
Canibus definitely shouldve been higher, Eminem is a good freestyler, but a lot of his shit is stored, Canibus uses the biggest and most amazing shit off the top
@eboyd32 From what I can tell he goes off the top, you can tell sometimes because his flow goes off beat at some points and he stutters sometimes, not sure if that's a great indicator, but Eyedea definitely needs to be farther up the list because he always comes off the top and I think Slug from Atmosphere should be up there too
@NoSwagMusic where have you seen/heard him go off the top? he definitely doesn't in this video, and i can't think of anywhere he has. i am also speaking from experience as an emcee myself who knows how to freestyle.
Good list, but its easy to see that you're biased towards the East. If we were to put dudes like Myka 9, Aceyalone, Open Mike Eagle or Nocando against any of those dudes on your list, except Juice, they would be technically superior off the dome...
@ljaradat33 lol, get off his dick? how old are you boss, because by that statement iam going with to damn young to know shit about how real emcees battle.....Iron solomon was good no doubt but now he is washed up reused lines....thats it.....
@recon123ism its funny cause in that battle the whole crowd predicted immortals lines so hes the one reusing lines technique is real good and i saw him rip some noname dude but if it was up to me he wouldnt even be on the list i wouldnt put solomon either
@ljaradat33 They could predict his lines so they are reused? maybe they know his style, and know what he is going to say....i know i have done that many times with friends and what not. They arnt reusing lines it just knowing their style and knowing them.....
Mane, I still think Bizzy Bone is the sickest freestyler ever. Look up some of his freestyles. That nigga be drunk as fuck outside a bar, get asked to freestyle, and still spit fucking ill rhymes at a hundred miles an hour.
@jthesnake77 he mentioned Canibus. Elzhi doesn't freestyle or battle. as for Louis Logic and Crooked I, i can't speak. i know Copywrite freestyles (from what i hear at least, though i've never checked him out) but i can't say whether or not he should have been on this list but i don't go out of my way to listen to him because his written shit doesn't impress me all that much.
Juice is one of the illest emcees ever PERIOD...Every battle rapper/freestyle says he's the best and/or a legend, but he ALSO has 2 dope albums (Listen2thewordz and Tip of the Icebergs are CLASSICS lyrically)...Juice's multis/punches/make you press rewind moments is second to none and in my opinion he's a top 10-15 emcee EVER based on sick lyricism...My other 15 prob are Em (in prime), Nas, G Rap, Pharoahe Monch, BIG PUN, Big L, Black Thought, BIG, Pac, Common (prime), Diabolic, Mos/Kweli, Rakim
@jthesnake77 are you talking off the top? i agree 100% about Juice, but Em is ok off the top, Nas NEVER goes off the top, neither do G Rap, Monch, Pun, or even Big L, i don't think Black Thought does either, i've heard a few off the top freestyles from Big that were ok but nothing all that impressive, Pac has a drunken freestyle that was actually written and it was kind of wack anyways, and Rakim, like the rest, doesn't spit off the top either...
@eboyd32 Black Thought does freestyle Exceptionally well. Watch the Doc. Freestyle The Art of Rhyme. He has some one point to random objects in the area like trash cans, walls, bottles, and a bunch of other things. As well as going off of random words. He freestyles and makes it sound almost written. So if the question is does he freestyle; definetly, Has he battled before, I'm not sure.
...i'm not sure about Diabolic, and i don't think Kweli goes off the top either. the Mos Def freestyle in this video might be off the top. i think you can definitely make a case for Common though. he's dope off the dome.
Serius Jones is wack, I dont give a shit, half that dudes verse didn't even rhyme. Plus most of these guys have come pre written, MC Juice is the best freestyle rapper, all off the top, flows crazy and hes got much much better lyrical content than Supernat who has charisma, flow but rhymes are kinda basic.
@moloi99 question. If off the dme deserves more props than how do you have eyedea down below solomon, or honestly em for that matter. As you said em's got reserves he uses multiple times while i dont think ive heard eyedea say the same verse in his battles secondly while em goes on a cd since the slim shady lp he hasnt actually battled that i know of has he.
@GrimLCorleone Serious Jones is a GREAT battle rapper. Real good improviser and can freestyle off the head. He doesn't have to lie in his rhymes like most do in battle rap talking about "squeezing the cannon" etc.
@fijiian4life01 Math hoffa like the one who lost to iron solomon? When Iron solomon said:'' If i'm Slim Shady, I guess there'll be nuthin After-Math''.
@zhtw most of them were, with the exception of Juice and Supernat (who are both above Jin for good reason). and as is stated in the description, you don't have to come off the top to be dope as hell in a battle.
@eboyd32 Eyedea goes straight off the dome as well and doesn't come with writtens. I think he would have given both Supernat and Juce a run for there money. I don't really understand why he is as low as he is.
@JcLeopard he's not as fluid and his flow isn't as smooth as Juice's. then again, it's hit or miss with freestyle. on any other day Juice would've slayed Supernat. it just so happened that Juice didn't quite do enough to win that day.
@eboyd32 Watch a Eyedea vs R.K in the Blaze Battles. Eyedea disses him on things he does in the moment as he is freestyling. The guy started dancing trying to mock Eyedea and Eyedea said "I grab the mic and straight be a rap enhancer, This guy wants to be my f**king back up dancer. Its strange because the guy started dancing as he ended the first line and that came out so quickly. Most battle emcees would have probably taken a couple lines to mention that but he did as it was happening.
juice is the shit!! idk why people talk shit on the man
risingpauler 2 weeks ago
Its funny because eminem beat juice back in 99
TheHardKnockLifeBlog 1 month ago
@TheHardKnockLifeBlog really?
moloi99 1 month ago
@moloi99 yeah man seriously look it up it was the final battle of he rap olympics i was only 4 at the time and i am from detroit and i saw one of eminems battles even though i dont remember xD but yeah they tied 6 times in a row before juice finally won in the end first prize was 500$ and eminem says he could hace used that money but yeah they had a later battle and eminem won :P and wendy day the comissioner for the rap olymrpics saw him rapping at the hip hop shop and told him to come out :P
TheHardKnockLifeBlog 1 month ago
@TheHardKnockLifeBlog juice won in the end, but em made more money in the end :P
snuseren 1 month ago
yo at 1:29 that looks like the large professor wit the brown hat and earbud
electronicchronic 1 month ago
Big L's is not prewritten.
StrangeGroundBand 2 months ago
Lol. I still don't get it. I don't think MC Juice is that good. Everybody commeting on his videos sayin he's so ill. But I just don't see it, lol...
ThaInfamous007 2 months ago
LMAO Jin and Iron RIPPED THOSE GUYS. Eminem, Mos Def, Immortal, lol they all wher rippin. Aye, but whatz tht beat to Cassidyz.
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ThaInfamous007 2 months ago
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What you're all here for
CMOODO 3 months ago
mos def should be higher maybe top five n immortal technique
MistatripleXL 3 months ago
@MistatripleXL exactly
1teknique 2 months ago
Iron Solomon was savage
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xOrashix 3 months ago
LOL 3:31 EPIC!!!
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@darkamazin
Immortal Technique is sick beast.
Regzus 2 months ago
Big L GoD oF rAp!
imnodoubtflatout 4 months ago
eyedea is one of the top freestyle rappers and is always improvising on the spot
Bmp1113 4 months ago
Why isnt slug from atmosphere in here?
Prointhe830 6 months ago
@moloi99 dude Big L's verse isn't written. He just used two or three analogy's that he had already used in previous songs before, but the rest of that was off the dome
ZigZagOfficialTV 6 months ago
did serius jones really just try n replicate a line from 8 mile come on now.
JRY17 6 months ago
canibus freestyles is much better than compositions. I downloaded the album.. is a shit. But this freestyle is dope!
chelao 7 months ago
6:37 guy in blue
Regzus 7 months ago
BIG L, shoulda used the 98 freestyle, more off the head i think
FriendlyPopo 8 months ago
MC Juice
thecheesburgler 8 months ago
Eyedea needs to be way higher. Maybe number 1
Thailur5194 8 months ago
Uhhh that Jin battle is ILL, where can i find that batle?
OshawaStateOfMind 9 months ago
JUICE AND EYEDEA!!!
Kinshiznet55 10 months ago
eyedea should be top 5 jin is mad overrated the year eyedea won scribble jin got eliminated in the second round that says alot
ljaradat33 11 months ago
Hey wheres Rhymefest , Krs-one , Justice , and Thesaurus???? Take out Immortal Technique , Big-L , 40cal , and Black Thought
RefillForever 1 year ago
a lot of the battles towards the bottom are pretty mediocre. check out The Saurus, Illmaculate, Mac Lethal, Dizaster, etc., for some more dope battlers. in fact, check out the whole Grind Time circuit. also, since you posted Juice vs. Eminem from Scribble Jam 97, you should check the other emcees from the same show. Juice and Em was actually the semi-finals. Juice beat Dose One to win it. check out Rhymefest and Dose One (from cLOUDDEAD). they were both there.
eboyd32 1 year ago
SUPERNAT is by far the best freestyle emcee ever to step foot on this earth! Eminem is where he should be behind juice who destroyed him. and of course behind BIGGIE n Big L
SpitNFlow 1 year ago
@SpitNFlow while Supernat beat Juice, everyone that knows what they are talking about (including Supernat himself) knows Juice is a faaaaaar more technical emcee off the dome.
eboyd32 1 year ago
@eboyd32 Completely True. Juice aka JU-ICE is 1 of the illest ever in my opinion (LISTEN2THEWORDZ & TIP OF THE ICEBERG are both lyrical classics...If it had Primo/Rza/Dre/Pete Rock/Large Professor/Q-Tip/Stoupe type production they'd be more well know as all time classics to me), but in terms of TRULY off the top and/or battlers Juice is considered by most to be the best ever (including current grind time dudes)...Tonedeff was/is a sick battler/GREAT MC also...Elzhi/diabolic/louis logic/one be lo
jthesnake77 1 year ago
@SpitNFlow Now I agree Juice is iller of the top & a better battle rapper b-c he's prob THE ILLEST EVER (most agree), but please stop saying he DESTROYED HIM when it went SIX OVERTIMES and JU-ICE says Em is the ILLEST he's ever battled...Em did win 97 Wake Up Show "Freestyler" of the year & that is pretty nice considering the all time ILL emcees who have been on there (Big L/Pun, Wu, Redman, P Monch, Crooked I, Common, G Rap, Juice, Canibus, Chino XL, BIG, Slug, etc)...According to B D Kane
jthesnake77 1 year ago
@jthesnake77 where did juice say em was the best he battled i would have thought it would be supernatural
95qazplm 6 months ago
@95qazplm He said that before he battled Supernat I believe. He battled Em in 97 and Supernat in 2000. Up until that point he was undefeated and that best he had battled up to that time was Eminem.
JcLeopard 6 months ago
@SpitNFlow "freestyling" is simply a rhyme/verse/hot 16, 32, 64, 100 or whatever that is FREE of style/substance whereas OFF THE TOP was a game they played back in the day for fun....When dudes go on radio shows to spit, 99% of the time it's mostly written obviously and noone is going to sound consistently DOPE literally OFF THE TOP of the head (and even the off the top ppl are mixing in past written/ill lines)
jthesnake77 1 year ago
Eminem is the best, cant understand why you placed him as no.6..?
linusff 1 year ago
@linusff 1. he lost to Juice at Scribble Jam 97. 2. he isn't all that amazing off the top (i'd actually put Eyedea much higher on the list, including over Em as well. he should also be below Blackthough and a few others imo). one of the few times i've even seen him come decent when he's truly off the top was on the Wake Up show (i think) when the host (probably Sway, but i haven't heard it in a while) was feeding him words. he kept tripping up, but he still sounded decent.
eboyd32 1 year ago
Canibus definitely shouldve been higher, Eminem is a good freestyler, but a lot of his shit is stored, Canibus uses the biggest and most amazing shit off the top
NoSwagMusic 1 year ago
@NoSwagMusic i've never heard Canibus actually spit off the top. this video is no exception.
eboyd32 1 year ago
@eboyd32 From what I can tell he goes off the top, you can tell sometimes because his flow goes off beat at some points and he stutters sometimes, not sure if that's a great indicator, but Eyedea definitely needs to be farther up the list because he always comes off the top and I think Slug from Atmosphere should be up there too
NoSwagMusic 1 year ago
@NoSwagMusic where have you seen/heard him go off the top? he definitely doesn't in this video, and i can't think of anywhere he has. i am also speaking from experience as an emcee myself who knows how to freestyle.
eboyd32 1 year ago
ahaa number 14 copied eminems freestyle from 8mile but he just changed the lyrics alittle bit hahah bustah!
MrYayahh 1 year ago
mos def had the best freestyle on the list besides big l, B-I-G, AND supernatural
MC3xtraterrestrial 1 year ago
no1s better than big l ,, mayb immortal technique
420blazeeveryday 1 year ago
@Colenbrak who's better than big l? Lmao since u say this I'm curious
Kizunin 1 year ago
eyedea was sooooooo drunk
yamahaboy57 1 year ago
Good list, but its easy to see that you're biased towards the East. If we were to put dudes like Myka 9, Aceyalone, Open Mike Eagle or Nocando against any of those dudes on your list, except Juice, they would be technically superior off the dome...
Yanirakarola 1 year ago
@Yanirakarola Thx FYI ill check them out.
moloi99 1 year ago
@Yanirakarola lol, i doubt that boss. I could see IT killin them all
recon123ism 11 months ago
@recon123ism get off his dick iron solomon ripped his ass on some fucked up shit
ljaradat33 11 months ago
@ljaradat33 lol, get off his dick? how old are you boss, because by that statement iam going with to damn young to know shit about how real emcees battle.....Iron solomon was good no doubt but now he is washed up reused lines....thats it.....
recon123ism 11 months ago
@recon123ism its funny cause in that battle the whole crowd predicted immortals lines so hes the one reusing lines technique is real good and i saw him rip some noname dude but if it was up to me he wouldnt even be on the list i wouldnt put solomon either
ljaradat33 11 months ago
@ljaradat33 They could predict his lines so they are reused? maybe they know his style, and know what he is going to say....i know i have done that many times with friends and what not. They arnt reusing lines it just knowing their style and knowing them.....
recon123ism 11 months ago
Marshall Matehrs shoulda been numba one, dawg.
ShilEmPara 1 year ago
@ShilEmPara no... Eminem 1. isn't all that great off the top, and 2. lost to Juice at Scribble Jam 97. he's good, but not good enough for #1.
eboyd32 1 year ago
eyedea straight roasted that dude
Shocktechballer 1 year ago
Mane, I still think Bizzy Bone is the sickest freestyler ever. Look up some of his freestyles. That nigga be drunk as fuck outside a bar, get asked to freestyle, and still spit fucking ill rhymes at a hundred miles an hour.
YoBezPoppin 1 year ago 3
@YoBezPoppin Thx man, ill check him out
moloi99 1 year ago
@YoBezPoppin because it's pre-written and even though he may be drunk, he remembers them. not saying he's not dope, but those aren't off-the-top.
eboyd32 1 year ago
Forgot Louis Logic, Canibus, Copywrite, CROOKED I, Elzhi who are all sick as F
jthesnake77 1 year ago
@jthesnake77 he mentioned Canibus. Elzhi doesn't freestyle or battle. as for Louis Logic and Crooked I, i can't speak. i know Copywrite freestyles (from what i hear at least, though i've never checked him out) but i can't say whether or not he should have been on this list but i don't go out of my way to listen to him because his written shit doesn't impress me all that much.
eboyd32 1 year ago
Juice is one of the illest emcees ever PERIOD...Every battle rapper/freestyle says he's the best and/or a legend, but he ALSO has 2 dope albums (Listen2thewordz and Tip of the Icebergs are CLASSICS lyrically)...Juice's multis/punches/make you press rewind moments is second to none and in my opinion he's a top 10-15 emcee EVER based on sick lyricism...My other 15 prob are Em (in prime), Nas, G Rap, Pharoahe Monch, BIG PUN, Big L, Black Thought, BIG, Pac, Common (prime), Diabolic, Mos/Kweli, Rakim
jthesnake77 1 year ago
@jthesnake77 are you talking off the top? i agree 100% about Juice, but Em is ok off the top, Nas NEVER goes off the top, neither do G Rap, Monch, Pun, or even Big L, i don't think Black Thought does either, i've heard a few off the top freestyles from Big that were ok but nothing all that impressive, Pac has a drunken freestyle that was actually written and it was kind of wack anyways, and Rakim, like the rest, doesn't spit off the top either...
eboyd32 1 year ago
@eboyd32 Black Thought does freestyle Exceptionally well. Watch the Doc. Freestyle The Art of Rhyme. He has some one point to random objects in the area like trash cans, walls, bottles, and a bunch of other things. As well as going off of random words. He freestyles and makes it sound almost written. So if the question is does he freestyle; definetly, Has he battled before, I'm not sure.
JcLeopard 6 months ago
...i'm not sure about Diabolic, and i don't think Kweli goes off the top either. the Mos Def freestyle in this video might be off the top. i think you can definitely make a case for Common though. he's dope off the dome.
eboyd32 1 year ago
@t697381 Ye i heard of him but since i havent rly heard most of his freestyles, i couldnt judge him.
moloi99 1 year ago
I would love to see Iron vs Supernat
ISeenACar87 1 year ago
MOS THE FUCK DEF
onofomi 1 year ago
Serius Jones is wack, I dont give a shit, half that dudes verse didn't even rhyme. Plus most of these guys have come pre written, MC Juice is the best freestyle rapper, all off the top, flows crazy and hes got much much better lyrical content than Supernat who has charisma, flow but rhymes are kinda basic.
GrimLCorleone 1 year ago
@GrimLCorleone Serius Jones is ok. I like the way he spits (takin pauses, then say some in funny way).
Ye Juice Is fkin ill. Reminds me of the Budweiser thing he said: Bitch, You Do WhatEver I Say Every Rip.
moloi99 1 year ago
@moloi99 question. If off the dme deserves more props than how do you have eyedea down below solomon, or honestly em for that matter. As you said em's got reserves he uses multiple times while i dont think ive heard eyedea say the same verse in his battles secondly while em goes on a cd since the slim shady lp he hasnt actually battled that i know of has he.
JRY17 6 months ago
@GrimLCorleone Serious Jones is a GREAT battle rapper. Real good improviser and can freestyle off the head. He doesn't have to lie in his rhymes like most do in battle rap talking about "squeezing the cannon" etc.
jswaggington 4 months ago
take technique off, put canibus in :)
canibus freestyles too nasty, technique jsut dont have it
ghettobirder 1 year ago
Interesting that Jin would not be higher, and Supernats video in art gallery freestyling off paintings on walls is sick
ossito 1 year ago
@ossito Ye Supernat is GOD lol.
As I watch some other MC Jin battles, my opinion highered on him.
moloi99 1 year ago
craig G is 900 times better than big L, why are they beside each other
colenbrak 1 year ago
your list is wack look at videos of these guys
thesauras
hoollohan
math hoffa
mainstream rappers suck shit at freestyling
fijiian4life01 1 year ago
@fijiian4life01 Math hoffa like the one who lost to iron solomon? When Iron solomon said:'' If i'm Slim Shady, I guess there'll be nuthin After-Math''.
It was a great battle between the 1st two.
moloi99 1 year ago
No.1 should be MC Jin!!
All of the others were pre-written!
zhtw 1 year ago
@zhtw Not so sure dude, have u watched the Freestyle: The Art of Rhyme documentary? Guess not...
moloi99 1 year ago
@zhtw most of them were, with the exception of Juice and Supernat (who are both above Jin for good reason). and as is stated in the description, you don't have to come off the top to be dope as hell in a battle.
eboyd32 1 year ago
@eboyd32 Eyedea goes straight off the dome as well and doesn't come with writtens. I think he would have given both Supernat and Juce a run for there money. I don't really understand why he is as low as he is.
JcLeopard 6 months ago
@JcLeopard he's not as fluid and his flow isn't as smooth as Juice's. then again, it's hit or miss with freestyle. on any other day Juice would've slayed Supernat. it just so happened that Juice didn't quite do enough to win that day.
eboyd32 6 months ago
@eboyd32 Watch a Eyedea vs R.K in the Blaze Battles. Eyedea disses him on things he does in the moment as he is freestyling. The guy started dancing trying to mock Eyedea and Eyedea said "I grab the mic and straight be a rap enhancer, This guy wants to be my f**king back up dancer. Its strange because the guy started dancing as he ended the first line and that came out so quickly. Most battle emcees would have probably taken a couple lines to mention that but he did as it was happening.
JcLeopard 6 months ago 3