Wangari Maathai on Obama , Climate Change, and War-2/2

[Azzaiel]

African nations will never rise, they will always be oppressed and splintered.

not for inability, but because you have to be brought low. you are also too independent of each other to pose a real threat .. as of now anyway.

Africa will remain an example to the other nations of the world.

[malairlostandfound]

Probably true my dear! but that was only half a statement. The other is that the western world will soon destroy the entire planet given its insatiable materialistic greed. You only have to look around and see the way westerners are poisoning water all over the world, putting bovine growth hormones,pestiscides and antibiotics in food.Wiping off conventional seeds for GM ones,privatising the rain and building nuclear weapons in outer space to "protect our interests".

[Azzaiel]

your words strike true to my heart, but the westerners are i for their own pain. you may not believe it, but they are weaker than the africans. much more helpless.

soon they will have no freedom at all.

besides that there are 2 tribes yet to speak they have remained silent. but how much longer will they remain silent?

people will figure out that they are there. watching.

[its7bounce]

that's very racist. u shuldn't be posting on youtube but sitting in a psychiatrist office... you obviously need help and your post screams it.

[Azzaiel]

i don't actually understand what you mean by that please explain.

by weaker than the africans i mean their ability to resist the government (willingness to fight). which ha not been done .. since i can remember, if you have an example please tell me and i will agree with you if it is true.

[DonQuixotedeKaw]

There are examples of resistance, but they are very wary, quiet and small. Some get stronger as we speak, with a goal of shaking off the shackles of the mind imprisoning most Americans. The symbiotic brain parasites of organized religions, are a dominant business here, and they must be crippled at least, or this nation will not survive. When viewed from this angle, 9/11 was a complete success. But the movement to tear down the BushCo built edifices of idiocy is under way, and gaining momentum.

[Azzaiel]

this is true, but there is much more than just bush (even though he has without doubt done the greatest harm to the nation.

what if the nation is one that says we have rights? but have never shown any being respected and exemplified. has it ever been done?

Bush was just playing the huckster. there is absolutely no-way in hell, anyone that can do that kind of damage, did it on accident.

that is the MO of the trickster. the most dangerous and daring foe, plays the fool until his cover is blown

[its7bounce]

Have to write this in two parts: 1)When you write African nations will never rise is contradictory as African nations did rise to kick western powers out of their countries. They could and have risen against the tyrant but the forces that be (that is western influence and money) quietly and quickly silenced those resisting.

[its7bounce]

2)Would you call Americans weak or say they will never rise and will continue to be oppressed because they did not take to the streets while Bush and cohorts trampled all over their constitutional rights and abused habeas corpus? Evidence shows that that those who spoke up were dismissed and their views not represented in the media. This is often the case in African countries.  Just wanted to point out that your choice of words paints you as a racist when I'm sure that was not your intention.

[Azzaiel]

my choice of words did not. your reaction to them did.

and yes american are worst off, they have no will, they cant even die honorably on the field of battle. they are just sheep,... so pathetic that even if they are told to their faces they bow in fealty crying the whole time.

but they wear their patriotism cloak of castigation proudly taking it in the ass.

their thinking is primitive at best and Betrayal has not hard work but slightest of refrains.

[Azzaiel]

cock and show in the abyss, to the corpse of god

[Azzaiel]

attempting to rise is not the same as standing.

[its7bounce]

where in my comment did i note that they were attempting to rise?

I would suggest that you don't paint all African nations with the same brush and think of all African leaders as dictators. By the standards that you have applied to African nations, I think you can also apply it to nations all over the world.

[Azzaiel]

i haven't applied a standard. again that is your reaction.

i have no gone into governing structure, again that is you.

if you have view, maybe you should make a video.

i can guarantee i will watch it.

[its7bounce]

Maybe my reaction is strong but when one starts a statement with Africans nations will never rise and will always be oppressed and splintered, as an African woman whose family members work in government, I take offense to that statement.

There are African nations like Botswana, Mozambigue, Liberia that have risen and are building their economies.

Maybe you should emphasize by whom are they being oppressed/splintered. Your statement could start a good debate though. O well said my peace.

[Azzaiel]

well said.

zimbabwe was the crowning jewel of africas ability to govern themselves, freedom fighters and liberators, it has been under 2 years to kill the country.

none have risen

[its7bounce]

Using Zimbabwe as the sole example to emphasize your point is one-sided. Zimbabwe like Botswana and Ghana also had freedom fighters. We mostly tend to focus on the dictators like Mobutu, Mugabe, Amin to show that African leaders are repressive and allergic to democracy while neglecting Jerry Rawlings or Mogae who have led their countries to stability and cleaned out corruption. It's easy for us to paint Mugabe or Charles Taylor as the face of Africa when they were being bolstered by the west.

[Azzaiel]

it wasn't my sole point. it was "an" example.

other than that i think you should reread our posts notice that we are saying the same thing and that you are pointing to some things i have not said but you allude to.

and that you say what i say in a different way.

[fufalovemoney]

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