Yep. My Egyptian Christian friend called himself the "descent of Rome", and I didn't know that he was actually talking about Byzantine rather than Rome.
By the way, when Arabs today referred to Rome, they are talking about Byzantine rather than the city Italy; the term "Byzantine" was a term for Western historian to distinguish Ancient Rome and the Empire of Constantinople.
Byzantiní progenia Rómanórum fuissent, sed Imperium súum non meruérunt, merébatur eís a Romanís Occidentalibus. Labor suus factus est, ré verá, Occidentalem multásque gazás prótegere, mandatus a prógenitoribus.
Sciat vel mœnum séquarí non potuissent ob tamen parté Islamum Avarésque. Sciat Byzantiní Græcí erant, non Rómæ Ætérnæ!
@CminorMaxG From Asia Minor....just like Aeneas I guess... :S
But if we were to follow your narrow minded approach maybe Horace wouldn't be Roman but a Samnite; Claudius would be a Gaul, Trajan would be a Celtiberian.
Wake up! Colonies were all accross the Empire, and many, especially in Constantinople itself, were not only legally Romans but also "by blood."
The byzantine "empire" although technically lasting for around 1000 years lost most of its power by the the time of the arab conquests in the 7th and 8th centuries. In my opinion even though this is highly debatable the byzantine empire only took shape with the loss of the exarchate of ravenna to the lombards around the 8th century. After this its territories shrunk and grew (Macedonions/ Komneni) continously until its finally demise with the fall of constantinople to the ottomans in 1453.
R&D is still in the old Rome, which could result in a Western victory in both the W.W.. Could the German advancement was b/c of a better foundation of knowledge due to its "Centralness".
I mean if you compare West : East basic foundation; you could easily see the differences.
@mrspartan32 no, don't be an idiot. The so-called Byzantine Empire was indeed the Eastern Roman Empire. Constantinople was also known as ROMA NOVA meaning new Rome. Constantine xi during his last speech referred to themselves as Greeks & Romans not just Greeks, even muslim historians of the middle-ages referred to them as ROMANS. This idea that Byzantium wasn't Roman is so stupid.
@Suppressingfire byzantium was roman just in the papers and the titles. People as Constantine knew that their origin was Greek and that Greeks were the ones who continued the Roman empire. Basically there is a delicate difference here that most western civilizations do not have. Being a Roman is different than being a Roman citizen, they 'd say that "yes we are the Roman Empire" but they wouldn't say "I am a Roman in origin" and that is the think that makes the difference
@mrspartan32 mate, i'm certainly not saying all citizens of the roman empire were all roman, of course not.. i never claimed such things? but just because greeks rules in the roman empire that doesn't mean that its greek empire. If it comes to that, then it was the 'many ppl's empire' cos many emperors of Rome were not Roman but from Thrace, illyricum, pannonia, germania, dacia, britannia, armenia, macedonia, africa etc. So should it change name for evry emperor's country? i'd say graeco-roman
So do you think the new Rome is more secure than Rome? Look at it culture, clearly influenced by locals!
The only things the Roman brought are the roads, laws, AND armies/armory which could included advance engineer, metallurgy, psychology, and strong "phenotype" Romans.
@Timaptimean what exactly is ur point? in terms of security new rome was 10 times stronger than rome, how many times had rome been sacked compared to constantinople? constantinople had both greek & roman cultures. even till the very end the graeco-romans (byzantines) used roman styles, not as much as earlier, but still.
& what do u mean the only things rome brought are roads , laws & armies etc? both greeks & romans achieved wonders alone, graeco-romans together made the greatest city ever.
Rome have been sacked lot of time. You are just too ignorant or proud to acknowledge it.
So what do you mean Greek and Roman cultures?
What are your points?
The Germanic tribes sacked it last. They claimed it didn't got sack because they converted 'em or bribe 'em with everything they got b/c they were going to lose everything, anyway...I don't know what those guys are thinking?
@Timaptimean who the fuck is saying rome was never sacked? ur completly turning what i said the other way round u stupid smartass. what the fuck was that? u 1st draw ur own conclusion then ask me what is my point? well, if u don't fucking know my point then what the fuck are u bragging about?. New Rome 'Roma Nova' was Constantinople & Constantinople was indeed mush stronger than Rome & only sacked twice & thats what i'm saying. Jeeze, & u wanna call ppl ignorant? & Rome was last sacked by arabs
@crk416 cause byzantine empire was the 8th empire of greeks.it lasted more than a millenia and shaped the world.byzantines were and still r greek tribes.byzantine empire was made BY greeks FOR greeks(hellenes).its bad that europeans were attacking during crusaders at byzantines empire.we won against the whole europe BUT that war weakened us.so mongols(turks)sieged that oportunity and they attacked constadinupol slaving us 4 400 years.we got our freedom back in 1821 with greek revolution
@crk416 sigh listen..during roman empire greek tribes were trying to establish theirs.so they created an ally(something like nato)after the fall of roman empire byzantines sieged that opportunity and they used their trading fleet to expand their power.in 2 years they were richer than romans.in order to respect that opportunity their first 'governor'was named as Vyzas.vyzas officialy established the V(b)yzantine empire.europe later tried to destroy byzantio at those 3 crusades but it failed.
@crk416 (2)since byzantio had be weakened by all those wars ottomans attacked us slaving us as i said before until 1821.many get confused thinking that byzantio was the eastern roman empire but that happens cause rome was an ALLY of byzantines(like usa is today to hellenes via nato)and had adaptoed the whole hellenic civilisation.since byzantio was using an emperor like rome and (rome was the first empire using the name emperor)many think that rome begun byzantium.(lmao)during byzantio the 8th
@crk416 (3)during byzantio(and more specificaly during the era of iustinianos emperor)the 8th wonder of the world was created.u know the temple of romans like coloseum?(coloseum was influenced by collosus of rodos)byzantines wanted to 'circle''the square.and the result was agia sofia church.a 350 meters tall builiding using the mechanicsof the bridges with a golden dome.that strucutre is builted right on top of one earthquake area.id sugest uto check it out.2bad turks have occupied kostadinupoli
@augcaes i talked about byzantio and the 8th wonder of the world ''agia sofia''temple. many thnk that wonders of the world were 7 but in reality the wonders of the world were/are 8.agia sofia still exists
@augcaes im not ur friend nor i need ur company.2)ur simply UNeducated.cause byzantio is a greek tribe region made by hellens for hellens.rome couldnt control hellas.hellas created an empire)(stronger than rome as u believe)europe declared 3 crusade wars against hellenes of byzxantium and europe lost.byzantio was weakened and mongols attacked and we lost in 1453.since then saxons try to twist history by telling any kind of crap cause saxons ENVY us.eastern roman empire is byzantio? ahahahahah
@itachiitachi1946 Let me educate you then my "non-friend." Since your ignorance is offensive:
1) Byzantion was founded as a colony of the Greek city of Megara around the year 660 BC.
2)Greece had been controlled by the Hellenic kingdom of Macedonia, and the Romans took it after the battle of Pydna in 168 BC. (Not the "like nato" crap you made up)
3)In the reign of Claudius (41 - 54 AD) Thrace, the region in which Byzantion is became a Roman province.
4) In the reign of Caracalla, in 212 AD. a decree extended Roman citizenship to all free adult males in the empire, even the Greeks, making them legally Roman.
5)In 395 the Emperor Theodosius, died diving the Empire between his two sons; giving Arcadius the East and Honorius the west.
6) With the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, the eastern half went on for another thousand years.
7) Look at any coin of Justinian I, why is the inscription in Latin?
8)To the end, even Constantine XI minted coins that read "Emperor of the Romans by the grace of God"
9) The crusades did happen, and were bad, but that does not change the fact that it was indeed the Roman Empire that they attacked, not a "tribe of Greeks"
@itachiitachi1946 Your ignorance of the history of this people is a slap on their honor, since truly magnificent until 1453, when they went down fighting, they were truly heroic Romans
@augcaes saying that byzantine hellenes were romans is like saying that a tree is a car.and on top of that u say i dont know history..MY history.lol r u trolling or ur rly that stupid? twisting history is a tactic of uneducated pplo.and u twist history or uve learned the twisted history..sigh....envy of saxons...nuf said.
I told you the truth, as a historian AND an ancient numismatics collector the evidence is there. You are the one that cannot tell the tree from a car. I gave you the evidence, you give nothing.
By the way the famous Varangian guard was made up of runaway saxons!!! And that's another fact whether you like it or not! =)
@augcaes u gave NO evidence.u just gave some shits that u pulled out of ur ass.saying byzantion is eastern roman empire and then saying ur a historian then u simply either fail at life or u learned twisted history or u do propaganda cause ur a saxon tribe envying the hellenes.get lost.i have better things to do instead of replying to an illewterate ape of ur kind
@itachiitachi1946 I gave you more than seven points of IRREFUTABLE evidence. The historical and material evidence (for ignorant grandasses like you that means buildings, actual texts from the times, COINS with writings on them, medals, etc) points to the fact that the byzantines were and considered themselves Romans. If you learned your history at the bottom of a sewer with three donkeys it's not my fault. But you will address these people by their proper name.
@augcaes t u gave me nothing.why u say and u lie saying u gave me proves?u tlaked about coins.ill tell u abvout coins since u have no idea.byzantines is a hellenic tribe since and before alexander the great.alexandros had made coins dedicated to byzantines.idiot. structures?yeah..alla structures had plans and the names od the workers r saved.in athens musem.those r proves.agia sofia?i bet u dont know ''ΝΥΨΟΝ ΑΝΟΜΗΜΑΤΑ ΜΗ ΜΟΝΑΝ ΟΨΙΝ'i bet also u have no idea about economachy,
Organize your thought with clear ideas, and DATES which are needed for history. Then review the 9 points I sent you above and prove them wrong (since it is all false) tell me how they are lies.
Quit mixing, alexander, with the parthenon, and hagia sofia. It's like saying the pyramids, cleopatra, and the islamic mosques in egpyt are all from the same people and culture.
@itachiitachi1946 That's what I thought. You cannot even give some basic dates like I did (in 9 points, not an essay) Clearly all of the unchewed nonsense you came up with is a a dream in your head, since (one more time) YOU NEVER GAVE AN EVIDENCE ABOUT ANYTHING. Nothing. Not eve an explanation.just "sigh it's so hard" or "you're stupid" that's all you could say.
a)English not being your maternal language presents some difficulty being understood by you, in which case I apologize for my inabilty to converse in Greek, or any other language in which you might be fluent.
b)You learned your history from some conspirancy site, whose credibility is in doubt and even you are afraid to credit.
@augcaes wtf r u talking u idiot? all of ur comments r fucking BS.u twist history andu twist my words.i explain to u history with FACTS and then u say im stupid.GET LOST U FUCKING TROLL.i bet ur a little kid cause only little kids r so fucking uneducated imatture acting retarded.
@augcaes u want facts?THEN READ THE WHOLE BYZANTINE HISTORY U FUCKTARD.INSTEAD OF TYPING ANY KIND OF CRAP AND PULLING THEM OUT OF UR ASS.U FOLLOW ME ON VIDEOS AND U TYPE SHIT LIKE''ALEXANDER BUILTED PARTHENON''WTF? EITHER UR TROLLING OR UR A LITTLE STUPID KID WHO HAS NO IDEA ABOUT HISTORY.U EVEN SAY THAT HELLENES(BYZANTINES)R NOT HELLENES BUT ROMAN.GET LOST U FUCKING IDIOT.
@itachiitachi1946 By the way I have read it and I should beat you to death with all the book with facts in them about "byzantine" history. It seems that you forgot your facts, so let me repeat this to you and add some new earth shattering information for your wormlike brain:
1) Byzantion was founded as a colony of the Greek city of Megara around the year 660 BC. Tradition holds it was Byzas; once again bitch in 660 BC.
@itachiitachi1946 2) Greece had been controlled by the Hellenic kingdom of Macedonia, and the Romans took it after the battle of Pydna in 168 BC. (Not the "like nato" crap you made up, is that clear enough???)
3) In the reign of Claudius (41 - 54 AD) Thrace, the region in which Byzantion is became a Roman province.
4) In the reign of Caracalla, in 212 AD. a decree extended Roman citizenship to all free adult males in the empire, even the Greeks, making them LEGALLY Roman.
@itachiitachi1946 5) On May 11th 330, Constantine I, Emperor of the Romans, founded Constantinople on the city of Byzantion, making it the capital of the Roman Empire.
6) In 395 the Emperor Theodosius, died diving the Empire between his two sons; giving Arcadius the East and Honorius the west.
7) With the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, in 476, the eastern half went on for another thousand years.
8) Look at any coin of Justinian I, why is the inscription in Latin (D[ominus] N[oster] IVSTINIANUS P[ater] P[atriae] AVG[ustus]? Or of any Emperor until around the 8th century.
9) Why is there a mosaic of Constantine IX sitting next to Christ in Hagia Sofia, where he is clearly labeled in BIG FAT LETTERS: “Emperor of the Romans”?
10) To the end, even Constantine XI minted coins that read “Lord Constantine the Palaiologos by God's Grace, Emperor of the Romans"
11) The crusades did happen, and were bad, but that does not change the fact that it was indeed the Roman Empire that they attacked, not a "tribe of Greeks." In fact the Greeks had abandoned the tribal, nomadic way of life, well before the beginning of recorded history. But you wouldn't know that.
Reply to the facts my little bitch, don't just say "you have to type an essay," or "get lost" or anymore of your bullshit.
The fat that as a Greek you don't even know this is terribly embarrassing.
I'll give you another chance to show you're not a fucking drug addict that only types what he dreams of, or whose comments are more than the nonsense left by his tits hitting the keyboard when his troll is banging him away from behind.
I'll leave you the fuck alone, when you admit you have no clue of your OWN history, that you're a dumbass, a retard, and nothing but a waste of humanity.
@augcaes dates? sigh..yeah right..im gonna type a whole essay specialy for u.snap out of that.i shouldnt even be talking to u cause i know im wasting my time from the moment what u said about history.a bunch of noonsenses.and thats why u cant be taken seriously.go say that to a person who has no idea about history.
@crk416 It was a Greek Empire, it started in Greece, Greece/Romans were very close during their empire since a lot of Roman Achievements came from greeks and Greek achievements and ideas (not all) came from mixed race people from Ethiopia
' SHOW ME JUST WHAT MUHAMMAD BROUGHT THAT IS NEW AND THERE YOU WILL FIND THINGS ONLY BAD AND INHUMAN, SUCH AS HIS COMMAND TO SPREAD BY THE SWORD THE FAITH HE PREACHED'
@ROBHUGHES1453 Thats true it was the eastern half of the roman empire but after Rome fell in 476 AD eastern rome became known as the New Rome and by the 700's AD the east and west could not even understand eachother. The Byzantiuns spoke Greek and the West Latin. The eastern half became known as its own empire because it was.
China lasted longer. Both China and the Byzantine empire had dynasties (the byzantine ones were may shorter) and the end of one shouldn't be considered the end of the empire itself.
@TyonKree The success and prosperity of the Byzantine empire was due to Christians! That was a time when countries east and south of Europe flourished while the Europeans were still nothing but barbarians( until the arrival of Christianity in Europe)
"Europeans were barbarians during the Byzantine Empire"??? This is so wrong, ITS THE EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE U TWAT, Romans were far from being barbarians long before they became empire & long before Byzantion taken by Emperor Septimius. How is it ppl refer to the Roman Empire as just the western half only? Byzantion was taken by Roman Emperor Septimius Severus between the late II cent & early III cent AD & never fell to outsiders from graeco-romans untill 1204 & again in 1453. Its Graeco-Roman
@Suppressingfire Western Europe was divided into various Germanic kingdoms and some forms of old Roman instituition were retained. Only in Italy where Roman instituitions were the strongest and were maintained by the Roman Catholic Church. People tend to believe that the Roman Empire ended in 476AD when the last Western emperor was deposed although the eastern empire survived for another 1000 years. Historian just want to distinguish the difference between the two empires.
@TyonKree "uhm learn to count" who the hell are you to be so perfect with you? anyone can google it. You took my meaning. 1st off you mentioned ROMAN EMPIRE and NOT republic so its fucking obvious that i replied to you on roman EMPIRE. 2nd ur speaking of empires as if they'r games "ok all the territory losses over the whole time" Some of the best Roman Emperors were Christians Like Constantine I, Justinian I, Heraclius, Basil II, the Komneni Emperors, these all reclaimed lost territory & beyond
What is a bit confusing, is the statement in the video that byzantium lasted longer than than the Roman Empire, wasn't the byzantine empire formed when the Roman empire picked up and moved to the east?
Shouldn't the byzantine empire be considered the same as the roman empire.
Ne cuh da je ovaj ruski monah jednom recju pomenuo Srbiju kada je govorio o Konstantinu (iz Nisa) niti o Justinijanu a da en govorimo o poslednjem vladaru cija je majka Srkinja. Cula sam samo ad je rec o Slovenima, i to je to.
Byzantium fell because of being too arrogant, selfish n hostile to its neigbors. Just like west rome massacered germanic tribes n incurred their wrath n fall of rome. Byzantium refused to become a roman greek-slavic empire n therefore warred with the slavs to the point that bought shrunk from power. So all the turks had to do was be in the right place at the right time, n buy the cannon, which previous attackers didn't have vs constantinople's walls.
You are full of shit. The bulgarians INVADED the Byzantine empire which is why the Byzantine Empire went to war with them. The Byzantine Empire did not fight all slavs just the bulgarians. The byzantine And serbians were pretty much always on good terms with the exception of a few battles. In fact, the last Emperor Constantine XI mother was a SLAV. Her name was Hellen Dragases and she was the daughter of the Serbian Emperor.
wow what a load of propaganda...big govt... is better than small govt..lol.. im a big fan of byzantiums history..they were just as greedy as the west europeans lol...wow did the russian govt pay for this load of crap...byzantium was doomed after they lost the battle of manzikert..in the 11th century oligarchs is just a code for all us evil capitalists...capitalism caused byzantium to fall ....lolololol
@theMac3donian No offense.... but what you call Macedonia the nowadays FYRMacedonia.... never existed in the past. It was part of Greece, Bulgaria and Albania. So the nowadays FYRMacedonia is a mixture of Greeks, Bulgarians and Albanians, probably mostly Bulgarians considering the fact that the language spoken in FYRMacedonia is a dialect of Bulgarians and has of course nothing to do with the language spoken by the ancient Macedonians (Alexander the great included). We can discuss dissagrements
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what? I thought the Byzantines were eastern roman empire sso wouldn't that count as continuing the empire of romans?
OldArmpitSmell 2 months ago
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Yep. My Egyptian Christian friend called himself the "descent of Rome", and I didn't know that he was actually talking about Byzantine rather than Rome.
By the way, when Arabs today referred to Rome, they are talking about Byzantine rather than the city Italy; the term "Byzantine" was a term for Western historian to distinguish Ancient Rome and the Empire of Constantinople.
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DEATH TO PANslavism.
THE '' Macedonia'' IS NOT ''country ''
THE ''Macedonian'' IS NOT '' ethnic''
THE '' Macedonian'' IS NOT '' nation''.
THE MACEDONIA IS PROVINCE OF GREECE.
THE MACEDONIANS IS GREEK TRIBE. THE MACEDONIAN LANGUAGE IS, THE GREEK LANGUAGE.
THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEK PEOPLE
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Byzantiní progenia Rómanórum fuissent, sed Imperium súum non meruérunt, merébatur eís a Romanís Occidentalibus. Labor suus factus est, ré verá, Occidentalem multásque gazás prótegere, mandatus a prógenitoribus.
Sciat vel mœnum séquarí non potuissent ob tamen parté Islamum Avarésque. Sciat Byzantiní Græcí erant, non Rómæ Ætérnæ!
CminorMaxG 4 months ago
@CminorMaxG Oh!
The only part that was left out, was that they were ... Romans.
augcaes 4 months ago
@CminorMaxG From Asia Minor....just like Aeneas I guess... :S
But if we were to follow your narrow minded approach maybe Horace wouldn't be Roman but a Samnite; Claudius would be a Gaul, Trajan would be a Celtiberian.
Wake up! Colonies were all accross the Empire, and many, especially in Constantinople itself, were not only legally Romans but also "by blood."
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THE MACEDONIANS ARE GREEKS. THE BYZANTINES ARE GREEKS.
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Russkyparen1 5 months ago
The byzantine "empire" although technically lasting for around 1000 years lost most of its power by the the time of the arab conquests in the 7th and 8th centuries. In my opinion even though this is highly debatable the byzantine empire only took shape with the loss of the exarchate of ravenna to the lombards around the 8th century. After this its territories shrunk and grew (Macedonions/ Komneni) continously until its finally demise with the fall of constantinople to the ottomans in 1453.
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falcon1702 6 months ago
R&D is still in the old Rome, which could result in a Western victory in both the W.W.. Could the German advancement was b/c of a better foundation of knowledge due to its "Centralness".
I mean if you compare West : East basic foundation; you could easily see the differences.
Timaptimean 8 months ago
Byzantine dint fall but rebirth to Russian empire which evolve to soviet to federal modern Russia
BaronBanahaw 9 months ago
Why does it never mentioned that the Byzantine Empire WAS the Roman Empire?
crk416 1 year ago 9
@crk416 because basically it wasn't
mrspartan32 11 months ago
@mrspartan32 no, don't be an idiot. The so-called Byzantine Empire was indeed the Eastern Roman Empire.
Suppressingfire 10 months ago
@mrspartan32 no, don't be an idiot. The so-called Byzantine Empire was indeed the Eastern Roman Empire. Constantinople was also known as ROMA NOVA meaning new Rome. Constantine xi during his last speech referred to themselves as Greeks & Romans not just Greeks, even muslim historians of the middle-ages referred to them as ROMANS. This idea that Byzantium wasn't Roman is so stupid.
Suppressingfire 10 months ago
@Suppressingfire byzantium was roman just in the papers and the titles. People as Constantine knew that their origin was Greek and that Greeks were the ones who continued the Roman empire. Basically there is a delicate difference here that most western civilizations do not have. Being a Roman is different than being a Roman citizen, they 'd say that "yes we are the Roman Empire" but they wouldn't say "I am a Roman in origin" and that is the think that makes the difference
mrspartan32 10 months ago
@mrspartan32 mate, i'm certainly not saying all citizens of the roman empire were all roman, of course not.. i never claimed such things? but just because greeks rules in the roman empire that doesn't mean that its greek empire. If it comes to that, then it was the 'many ppl's empire' cos many emperors of Rome were not Roman but from Thrace, illyricum, pannonia, germania, dacia, britannia, armenia, macedonia, africa etc. So should it change name for evry emperor's country? i'd say graeco-roman
Suppressingfire 9 months ago
@Suppressingfire
So do you think the new Rome is more secure than Rome? Look at it culture, clearly influenced by locals!
The only things the Roman brought are the roads, laws, AND armies/armory which could included advance engineer, metallurgy, psychology, and strong "phenotype" Romans.
Timaptimean 8 months ago
@Timaptimean what exactly is ur point? in terms of security new rome was 10 times stronger than rome, how many times had rome been sacked compared to constantinople? constantinople had both greek & roman cultures. even till the very end the graeco-romans (byzantines) used roman styles, not as much as earlier, but still.
& what do u mean the only things rome brought are roads , laws & armies etc? both greeks & romans achieved wonders alone, graeco-romans together made the greatest city ever.
Suppressingfire 8 months ago
@Suppressingfire
Rome have been sacked lot of time. You are just too ignorant or proud to acknowledge it.
So what do you mean Greek and Roman cultures?
What are your points?
The Germanic tribes sacked it last. They claimed it didn't got sack because they converted 'em or bribe 'em with everything they got b/c they were going to lose everything, anyway...I don't know what those guys are thinking?
Timaptimean 8 months ago
@Timaptimean who the fuck is saying rome was never sacked? ur completly turning what i said the other way round u stupid smartass. what the fuck was that? u 1st draw ur own conclusion then ask me what is my point? well, if u don't fucking know my point then what the fuck are u bragging about?. New Rome 'Roma Nova' was Constantinople & Constantinople was indeed mush stronger than Rome & only sacked twice & thats what i'm saying. Jeeze, & u wanna call ppl ignorant? & Rome was last sacked by arabs
Suppressingfire 7 months ago
@crk416 cause byzantine empire was the 8th empire of greeks.it lasted more than a millenia and shaped the world.byzantines were and still r greek tribes.byzantine empire was made BY greeks FOR greeks(hellenes).its bad that europeans were attacking during crusaders at byzantines empire.we won against the whole europe BUT that war weakened us.so mongols(turks)sieged that oportunity and they attacked constadinupol slaving us 4 400 years.we got our freedom back in 1821 with greek revolution
itachiitachi1946 6 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Cultural, yes over time it became more and more Greek. Politically It never ceased to be the Eastern Roman Empire.
crk416 6 months ago
@crk416 sigh listen..during roman empire greek tribes were trying to establish theirs.so they created an ally(something like nato)after the fall of roman empire byzantines sieged that opportunity and they used their trading fleet to expand their power.in 2 years they were richer than romans.in order to respect that opportunity their first 'governor'was named as Vyzas.vyzas officialy established the V(b)yzantine empire.europe later tried to destroy byzantio at those 3 crusades but it failed.
itachiitachi1946 6 months ago
@crk416 (2)since byzantio had be weakened by all those wars ottomans attacked us slaving us as i said before until 1821.many get confused thinking that byzantio was the eastern roman empire but that happens cause rome was an ALLY of byzantines(like usa is today to hellenes via nato)and had adaptoed the whole hellenic civilisation.since byzantio was using an emperor like rome and (rome was the first empire using the name emperor)many think that rome begun byzantium.(lmao)during byzantio the 8th
itachiitachi1946 6 months ago
@crk416 (3)during byzantio(and more specificaly during the era of iustinianos emperor)the 8th wonder of the world was created.u know the temple of romans like coloseum?(coloseum was influenced by collosus of rodos)byzantines wanted to 'circle''the square.and the result was agia sofia church.a 350 meters tall builiding using the mechanicsof the bridges with a golden dome.that strucutre is builted right on top of one earthquake area.id sugest uto check it out.2bad turks have occupied kostadinupoli
itachiitachi1946 6 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 No offense, but what the hell are you talking about?
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes i talked about byzantio and the 8th wonder of the world ''agia sofia''temple. many thnk that wonders of the world were 7 but in reality the wonders of the world were/are 8.agia sofia still exists
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 My friend I believe your chronology of events is ALL mixed up.
The eastern Roman Empire did built Hagia Sofia, and it is a true marvel, but I believe that was the only thing that you said that was right.
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes im not ur friend nor i need ur company.2)ur simply UNeducated.cause byzantio is a greek tribe region made by hellens for hellens.rome couldnt control hellas.hellas created an empire)(stronger than rome as u believe)europe declared 3 crusade wars against hellenes of byzxantium and europe lost.byzantio was weakened and mongols attacked and we lost in 1453.since then saxons try to twist history by telling any kind of crap cause saxons ENVY us.eastern roman empire is byzantio? ahahahahah
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Let me educate you then my "non-friend." Since your ignorance is offensive:
1) Byzantion was founded as a colony of the Greek city of Megara around the year 660 BC.
2)Greece had been controlled by the Hellenic kingdom of Macedonia, and the Romans took it after the battle of Pydna in 168 BC. (Not the "like nato" crap you made up)
3)In the reign of Claudius (41 - 54 AD) Thrace, the region in which Byzantion is became a Roman province.
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946
4) In the reign of Caracalla, in 212 AD. a decree extended Roman citizenship to all free adult males in the empire, even the Greeks, making them legally Roman.
5)In 395 the Emperor Theodosius, died diving the Empire between his two sons; giving Arcadius the East and Honorius the west.
6) With the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, the eastern half went on for another thousand years.
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946
7) Look at any coin of Justinian I, why is the inscription in Latin?
8)To the end, even Constantine XI minted coins that read "Emperor of the Romans by the grace of God"
9) The crusades did happen, and were bad, but that does not change the fact that it was indeed the Roman Empire that they attacked, not a "tribe of Greeks"
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Your ignorance of the history of this people is a slap on their honor, since truly magnificent until 1453, when they went down fighting, they were truly heroic Romans
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes saying that byzantine hellenes were romans is like saying that a tree is a car.and on top of that u say i dont know history..MY history.lol r u trolling or ur rly that stupid? twisting history is a tactic of uneducated pplo.and u twist history or uve learned the twisted history..sigh....envy of saxons...nuf said.
bye bye
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 My non friend:
I told you the truth, as a historian AND an ancient numismatics collector the evidence is there. You are the one that cannot tell the tree from a car. I gave you the evidence, you give nothing.
By the way the famous Varangian guard was made up of runaway saxons!!! And that's another fact whether you like it or not! =)
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes u gave NO evidence.u just gave some shits that u pulled out of ur ass.saying byzantion is eastern roman empire and then saying ur a historian then u simply either fail at life or u learned twisted history or u do propaganda cause ur a saxon tribe envying the hellenes.get lost.i have better things to do instead of replying to an illewterate ape of ur kind
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 I gave you more than seven points of IRREFUTABLE evidence. The historical and material evidence (for ignorant grandasses like you that means buildings, actual texts from the times, COINS with writings on them, medals, etc) points to the fact that the byzantines were and considered themselves Romans. If you learned your history at the bottom of a sewer with three donkeys it's not my fault. But you will address these people by their proper name.
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes t u gave me nothing.why u say and u lie saying u gave me proves?u tlaked about coins.ill tell u abvout coins since u have no idea.byzantines is a hellenic tribe since and before alexander the great.alexandros had made coins dedicated to byzantines.idiot. structures?yeah..alla structures had plans and the names od the workers r saved.in athens musem.those r proves.agia sofia?i bet u dont know ''ΝΥΨΟΝ ΑΝΟΜΗΜΑΤΑ ΜΗ ΜΟΝΑΝ ΟΨΙΝ'i bet also u have no idea about economachy,
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 "ill tell u abvout coins since u have no idea"
But you did not say anything?!?!?
Organize your thought with clear ideas, and DATES which are needed for history. Then review the 9 points I sent you above and prove them wrong (since it is all false) tell me how they are lies.
Quit mixing, alexander, with the parthenon, and hagia sofia. It's like saying the pyramids, cleopatra, and the islamic mosques in egpyt are all from the same people and culture.
DO reply to my points
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes i didnt mix agia sofia with parthenon..STOP TWISTING MY WORDS!
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 That's what I thought. You cannot even give some basic dates like I did (in 9 points, not an essay) Clearly all of the unchewed nonsense you came up with is a a dream in your head, since (one more time) YOU NEVER GAVE AN EVIDENCE ABOUT ANYTHING. Nothing. Not eve an explanation.just "sigh it's so hard" or "you're stupid" that's all you could say.
augcaes 4 months ago
Which leads me to 3 conclusions:
a)English not being your maternal language presents some difficulty being understood by you, in which case I apologize for my inabilty to converse in Greek, or any other language in which you might be fluent.
b)You learned your history from some conspirancy site, whose credibility is in doubt and even you are afraid to credit.
c) You're just plain stupid.
In any case, I'm sorry for you.
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes wtf r u talking u idiot? all of ur comments r fucking BS.u twist history andu twist my words.i explain to u history with FACTS and then u say im stupid.GET LOST U FUCKING TROLL.i bet ur a little kid cause only little kids r so fucking uneducated imatture acting retarded.
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 you still whine and cry but say nothing see?!?!?
Where are your facts???
Where are the dates???
Where is the evidence??
You just keep pulling new things out of your ass, everyday...
Disgusting.
I hope in you net post you put at least ONE piece of factual evidence. Not just another crazy shit you dreamed of last night.
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 That's what I thought. 24 hours later you still haven't found any FACTS, or real EVIDENCE to back up your shitty FAIRY TALES.
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes u want facts?THEN READ THE WHOLE BYZANTINE HISTORY U FUCKTARD.INSTEAD OF TYPING ANY KIND OF CRAP AND PULLING THEM OUT OF UR ASS.U FOLLOW ME ON VIDEOS AND U TYPE SHIT LIKE''ALEXANDER BUILTED PARTHENON''WTF? EITHER UR TROLLING OR UR A LITTLE STUPID KID WHO HAS NO IDEA ABOUT HISTORY.U EVEN SAY THAT HELLENES(BYZANTINES)R NOT HELLENES BUT ROMAN.GET LOST U FUCKING IDIOT.
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 Still no facts you idioitic cunt.
Where the hell are your facts????
You keep talking about trolls and shit but no mention of any facts. Come on bitch show that you at least know how to write
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 By the way I have read it and I should beat you to death with all the book with facts in them about "byzantine" history. It seems that you forgot your facts, so let me repeat this to you and add some new earth shattering information for your wormlike brain:
1) Byzantion was founded as a colony of the Greek city of Megara around the year 660 BC. Tradition holds it was Byzas; once again bitch in 660 BC.
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 2) Greece had been controlled by the Hellenic kingdom of Macedonia, and the Romans took it after the battle of Pydna in 168 BC. (Not the "like nato" crap you made up, is that clear enough???)
3) In the reign of Claudius (41 - 54 AD) Thrace, the region in which Byzantion is became a Roman province.
4) In the reign of Caracalla, in 212 AD. a decree extended Roman citizenship to all free adult males in the empire, even the Greeks, making them LEGALLY Roman.
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 5) On May 11th 330, Constantine I, Emperor of the Romans, founded Constantinople on the city of Byzantion, making it the capital of the Roman Empire.
6) In 395 the Emperor Theodosius, died diving the Empire between his two sons; giving Arcadius the East and Honorius the west.
7) With the collapse of the Roman Empire in the West, in 476, the eastern half went on for another thousand years.
augcaes 4 months ago
8) Look at any coin of Justinian I, why is the inscription in Latin (D[ominus] N[oster] IVSTINIANUS P[ater] P[atriae] AVG[ustus]? Or of any Emperor until around the 8th century.
9) Why is there a mosaic of Constantine IX sitting next to Christ in Hagia Sofia, where he is clearly labeled in BIG FAT LETTERS: “Emperor of the Romans”?
10) To the end, even Constantine XI minted coins that read “Lord Constantine the Palaiologos by God's Grace, Emperor of the Romans"
augcaes 4 months ago
11) The crusades did happen, and were bad, but that does not change the fact that it was indeed the Roman Empire that they attacked, not a "tribe of Greeks." In fact the Greeks had abandoned the tribal, nomadic way of life, well before the beginning of recorded history. But you wouldn't know that.
Reply to the facts my little bitch, don't just say "you have to type an essay," or "get lost" or anymore of your bullshit.
augcaes 4 months ago
The fat that as a Greek you don't even know this is terribly embarrassing.
I'll give you another chance to show you're not a fucking drug addict that only types what he dreams of, or whose comments are more than the nonsense left by his tits hitting the keyboard when his troll is banging him away from behind.
I'll leave you the fuck alone, when you admit you have no clue of your OWN history, that you're a dumbass, a retard, and nothing but a waste of humanity.
augcaes 4 months ago
@itachiitachi1946 And do put some dates for all of your unorganized litter. At least try that instead of spitting some more barf.
And what do you want to know about the iconoclast movement?
augcaes 4 months ago
@augcaes dates? sigh..yeah right..im gonna type a whole essay specialy for u.snap out of that.i shouldnt even be talking to u cause i know im wasting my time from the moment what u said about history.a bunch of noonsenses.and thats why u cant be taken seriously.go say that to a person who has no idea about history.
dont bother to reply back.im done with u
itachiitachi1946 4 months ago
@crk416 It was a Greek Empire, it started in Greece, Greece/Romans were very close during their empire since a lot of Roman Achievements came from greeks and Greek achievements and ideas (not all) came from mixed race people from Ethiopia
MeatstickRob88 4 months ago
Where can i found subtitle for this ?
TheLak1994 1 year ago
Thank so much for this amazing documentary!! It is such an important part of history which most Westerners overlook, in my humble opinion.
BKBOI77 1 year ago
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MrAngelheart 1 year ago
The byzantine empire was the eastern half of the roman empire not a completely different empire!
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago
@ROBHUGHES1453 Thats true it was the eastern half of the roman empire but after Rome fell in 476 AD eastern rome became known as the New Rome and by the 700's AD the east and west could not even understand eachother. The Byzantiuns spoke Greek and the West Latin. The eastern half became known as its own empire because it was.
thebig1 1 year ago
@thebig1 yes
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago
you can hear that this documentary is made for people in greece lol pretty biased if you look at the things going on back then
theshadowbehindme 1 year ago
China lasted longer. Both China and the Byzantine empire had dynasties (the byzantine ones were may shorter) and the end of one shouldn't be considered the end of the empire itself.
SaveChinaTiger 1 year ago
Thank you
ukkozi74 1 year ago
the roman empire was cool until it became christian
well everything has a weak point
TyonKree 1 year ago
@TyonKree The success and prosperity of the Byzantine empire was due to Christians! That was a time when countries east and south of Europe flourished while the Europeans were still nothing but barbarians( until the arrival of Christianity in Europe)
abctijo 11 months ago
"Europeans were barbarians during the Byzantine Empire"??? This is so wrong, ITS THE EASTERN ROMAN EMPIRE U TWAT, Romans were far from being barbarians long before they became empire & long before Byzantion taken by Emperor Septimius. How is it ppl refer to the Roman Empire as just the western half only? Byzantion was taken by Roman Emperor Septimius Severus between the late II cent & early III cent AD & never fell to outsiders from graeco-romans untill 1204 & again in 1453. Its Graeco-Roman
Suppressingfire 10 months ago
@Suppressingfire Western Europe was divided into various Germanic kingdoms and some forms of old Roman instituition were retained. Only in Italy where Roman instituitions were the strongest and were maintained by the Roman Catholic Church. People tend to believe that the Roman Empire ended in 476AD when the last Western emperor was deposed although the eastern empire survived for another 1000 years. Historian just want to distinguish the difference between the two empires.
MrLantean 7 months ago
@TyonKree my friend, did u know that pagan roman empire lived almost 500 years & the Christian roman empire lived for roughly 1200 years?
Suppressingfire 7 months ago
@Suppressingfire
uhm learn to count
the pagan republic lasted for about 482 years
the pagan empire for about 408 years
the glorious "western empire" collapsed in 476
but its right that the byzantines survived long
ok all the territory losses over the whole time.... who cares right?
TyonKree 7 months ago
@TyonKree "uhm learn to count" who the hell are you to be so perfect with you? anyone can google it. You took my meaning. 1st off you mentioned ROMAN EMPIRE and NOT republic so its fucking obvious that i replied to you on roman EMPIRE. 2nd ur speaking of empires as if they'r games "ok all the territory losses over the whole time" Some of the best Roman Emperors were Christians Like Constantine I, Justinian I, Heraclius, Basil II, the Komneni Emperors, these all reclaimed lost territory & beyond
Suppressingfire 7 months ago
What is a bit confusing, is the statement in the video that byzantium lasted longer than than the Roman Empire, wasn't the byzantine empire formed when the Roman empire picked up and moved to the east?
Shouldn't the byzantine empire be considered the same as the roman empire.
trehelesg 2 years ago
@trehelesg The byzantine empire was the roman empire or he eastern half of it.
ROBHUGHES1453 1 year ago
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Elevators? Are you kidding me? Wow. The Turks were probably impressed upon arrival.
Plisken1986 2 years ago
stupid propoganda stuff i visited istambul 2 years ago i didn't see these taliban lookin' ninjas around
GetTpOrDIE 2 years ago
lepo
i korisno
osim jedne "sitnice"
Ne cuh da je ovaj ruski monah jednom recju pomenuo Srbiju kada je govorio o Konstantinu (iz Nisa) niti o Justinijanu a da en govorimo o poslednjem vladaru cija je majka Srkinja. Cula sam samo ad je rec o Slovenima, i to je to.
Zaista nema razloga da postujem ove Ruse.
versusa007 2 years ago
Byzantium fell because of being too arrogant, selfish n hostile to its neigbors. Just like west rome massacered germanic tribes n incurred their wrath n fall of rome. Byzantium refused to become a roman greek-slavic empire n therefore warred with the slavs to the point that bought shrunk from power. So all the turks had to do was be in the right place at the right time, n buy the cannon, which previous attackers didn't have vs constantinople's walls.
TsarSamuil 2 years ago
You are full of shit. The bulgarians INVADED the Byzantine empire which is why the Byzantine Empire went to war with them. The Byzantine Empire did not fight all slavs just the bulgarians. The byzantine And serbians were pretty much always on good terms with the exception of a few battles. In fact, the last Emperor Constantine XI mother was a SLAV. Her name was Hellen Dragases and she was the daughter of the Serbian Emperor.
nickpafras 2 years ago
As a matter of fact, it was the Byzantine Empire who converted the slavs of Russia in Kiev.
nickpafras 2 years ago 2
wow what a load of propaganda...big govt... is better than small govt..lol.. im a big fan of byzantiums history..they were just as greedy as the west europeans lol...wow did the russian govt pay for this load of crap...byzantium was doomed after they lost the battle of manzikert..in the 11th century oligarchs is just a code for all us evil capitalists...capitalism caused byzantium to fall ....lolololol
Keys2Eden 2 years ago
I thought rome Easten 1/2 fell because of money devalement. as cost cost of living cost to much for people so the revolt.
Alucardthedeadone 2 years ago
how is that possible they listed all the countries around macedonia but it was never mentioned haha stupid propagandists
chixhelpline 2 years ago
Macedonia is avoided throughout the whole video, but near the end, it could not be avoided because of a specific saint... so...
theMac3donian 2 years ago
@theMac3donian maybe because people around the world know Macedonia is Greece.
SilenceCallsTheMovie 1 year ago
agree w / both of you...there was a whole line of macedonian emperors...some the greatest ...the empire had ever seen....!!!!!.
Keys2Eden 2 years ago
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Very good documentary!
forevermkd 2 years ago
No hatred comments pls.
theMac3donian 2 years ago 3
@theMac3donian No offense.... but what you call Macedonia the nowadays FYRMacedonia.... never existed in the past. It was part of Greece, Bulgaria and Albania. So the nowadays FYRMacedonia is a mixture of Greeks, Bulgarians and Albanians, probably mostly Bulgarians considering the fact that the language spoken in FYRMacedonia is a dialect of Bulgarians and has of course nothing to do with the language spoken by the ancient Macedonians (Alexander the great included). We can discuss dissagrements
Katerinoula1980 5 months ago