A World Civilisation or a Clash of Civilisations - pt 7

[adas1023]

I don't understand how catholic schooling is entirely allowed, whilst islamic schooling is seen a breeding ground for terrorists. Many parents simply want their children to have an education which can be shared by other muslims who share the same values.

[iMaDeMoN2012]

@adas1023 Catholicism accepts the separation of church and state, Jesus said in the Gossips that the Kingdom of God is not of this earth, in other words in not our purpose to create a Catholic state but educate and prepare people during this life for the God's kingdom in the afterlife. Whereas even liberal Imams teach the that one day the flag of Islam will be flying over the White House. It is their intention to force their religion and all of sharia upon the world, this is unacceptable.

[adas1023]

@iMaDeMoN2012 "one day the flag of Islam will be flying over the White House" - I'm sorry i can't retort to this without violently throwing up everywhere. Again. Seriously this fucking idiotic generalization that all muslims want nothing more than the "DEATH TO INFADELS" is what makes me lose all hope in the human race. Drop your copy of the daily mail or change channel from fox news and talk to a muslim for once. They're not all fucking extremists.

Thanks, i just coughed up a lung.

[iMaDeMoN2012]

@adas1023 My own buddy that I grew up with tells me this shit! I'm inclined to believe him. Also, I have a 12 years of Catholic education so I know what I'm talking about, but you don't! As an atheist and a liberal I have a lot more creditability than you. Lastly, if you have stomach problems, visit a doctor.

[korasikha1977]

Pipes seems "to suggest that violence against foreign nationals in Iraq could be curbed by attacks on Moslems in the home countries of the victims", and he has suggested: "Israel 'raze' Palestinian villages."

[korasikha1977]

Pipes seems "to suggest that violence against foreign nationals in Iraq could be curbed by attacks on Moslems in the home countries of the victims", and he has suggested: "Israel 'raze' Palestinian villages."

[korasikha1977]

. This is at variance with the views of the U.S. government, which has since apologized to its Japanese community.

[korasikha1977]

Daniel Pipes is considered by many Moslems as the number one Islamophobe and has asked the Bush administration to repudiate his published views, which include support for the mass round-up of Japanese-Americans during World War II. The subsequent herding of Americans into internment camps or open-air prisons simply due to their ethnicity resulted from "legitimate national security concerns" says Pipes.

[lollygager3664]

I think it is stupid and dishonest to continue the term "Islamophobe", as if Islam was an ethnicity. It isn't. It's a world-view and, like all worldviews, they should be open to criticism when they enter the political arena.

[adas1023]

@lollygager3664 By the same logic does the word "homophobe" imply that homosexuality is an ethnicity? Of course not. Homosexuality and Islam are both frowned upon, be it in different parts of the world (that's as far as I'm going with that comparison, obviously they are entirely different issues). Not to say that islam shouldnt be open to criticism, when it clearly should. I am simply saying that you can be alienated for being muslim when you shouldnt be. The word "islamophbia" describes this.

[adas1023]

@lollygager3664

Also, as you say that it is a world view, you assume that the view of one muslim is the same as all muslims. This assumption creates a preconception that all muslims want shariah to be implimented, hate the country they live in and believe violence is an answer to the conflicts in muslim countries. This again isnt true, many "moderates" do wish for social cohesion.

[Duesseldog]

It would have been more interesting to see members of Hiz'b ut-Tahrir or other "non-violent" Islamist groups on this panel -- they don't believe in terrorism, but they do believe in Shari'a... And every one of them is brainier than Livingston or this woman... What good does it do Livingston's cause to expose his silly neo-socialist arguments to these clever guys? I still agree more with Pipes and the other guy, but we haven't seen the best arguments for the "wrong" side...

[MatthewPA1972]

Pipes is awesome. That bit about Hitler being democratically elected was dead-on.

[greersome]

To answer the first question... Yes, we totally oppose any lawful means to legalize public stoning of a woman if she is raped. We oppose implementation of lawfully reproducing a society such as Saudi Arabia currently has here in the UK or in the US. Next question...

[VinceP1974]

hahaha, his last answer didnt go so well'