Now, just as with those prior precedents I mentioned I fully expect the aforementioned measures to be relinquished and retired after the perceived threat of Islamic Terrorism is vanquished. Should they not I'll be the first to raise a stink. But historically, our democracy has had to tighten up as it were (and yes, unfortunately, innocent ppl get caught up during that phase sometimes) and then relax after we've averted a crisis. It's imperfect, but leads to our survival.
H.R. 5122 ultimately benefits us b/c it increases response time to disasters. As for the Nat'l Security & Homeland Pres. Directive it merely expedites our ability to maintain a unified chain of command in a time of crisis. It cuts out all the bureaucratic squabbling & streamlines the process. I will be honest, this is the only 1 which gives me pause but the Nat'l Emergencies Act of '76 serves as a balance. Should an executive go too far, Congress can step in under that act & bust up wrongdoing.
Congress has no real power. I honestly hope that you don't believe that.
Also, I really hope that you don't believe that these acts, especially the Military Commissions Act, has never been used on innocent people because they have. This is not a secret. It's a documented fact.
Even if these acts and bills had never been used and, in the future, are never used on innocent people, the fact is that, by law, they are allowed to be used on innocent people.
Actually, Congress has a lot of power. On top of their budgetary authority, given the sheer number of Congressmen & women should anything go fishy you can bet groups of Congressmen & women would raise a stink in public. Look at the '93 Conservative Revolution & the Republican House opposition to the Bailout.
I haven't seen any verifiable proof. These acts -- if and when they've been used -- have been used on truly suspicious persons. The feds have been very careful who is targeted.
I'm not trying to be rude, but I do not understand how anyone can know of these things and not see them for what they are. These are all bills and acts that completely go against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Thank God the Supreme Court recently overturned a main part of the illegal and unconstitutional Military Commissions Act when they reinstated Habeas Corpus.
I don't find you rude at all; one of the few ppl I've found to be reasonable on youtube. These bills are not necessarily unconstitutional; they're in that gray area & they serve a greater good. There's also prior standing for bills like this (i.e. Alien & Sedition Acts, Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus & suppression of press, Wilson's Espionage Acts, FDR's internment of Japanese, Censorship bureau, et al) & these modern bills are nowhere near as sweeping as those prior ones. CONTINUED
Dude stop hating on America. America isn't criticizing the world like that at all, and the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll stop making rude comments like this on Youtube. You're telling me that America is the only country with both liberals AND conservatives? Get out of here.
What a bunch of fucking fairies. So, rather than integrating yourself into The System and working logically to get your agenda pushed through, you'd rather act like a jackass and throw temper tantrums like children at a partisan event that you in no way can change? Here's a suggestion: take your passion, take your beliefs, do what I'm doing and work to go to College & then try and get in with the party of your choice and work from within. Like any sane person would. Jackasses, all of them!
You are asking why Anarchists don't join the State system? You do realise that governments are responsible for the deaths of over 270,000,000 people worldwide in the last 100 years alone don't you?
If a gang of peadophiles ran the goverment would you fight against them now or join them & join in supporting their activities in an attempt to bring them down at some undefined date in the future?
First off, the United States government although flawed is not responsible for 270,000,000 peoples deaths. In fact, if it weren't for our government's foreign policy, there'd be more people dying in more places globally. As for your second point, I don't respond to hypotheticals especially as ridiculous as the pedophile comments. Anarchists are a bunch of lunatics and whiners that have no comprehension of how the world works. They need to put up or shut up.
"In fact, if it weren't for our government's foreign policy, there'd be more people dying in more places globally."
Our government created Al Qaeda (what most people think is the greatest threat of terrorism in the world). This is a proven and documented fact.
Our government does not want to stop terrorism. Our government, along with governments from all over the world, do nothing but spew propaganda about terrorism so that people will give up their freedom and liberty.
Our government did not create al Qaeda,it merely supplied & trained them during the Soviet-Afghan War in order to destabilize the Soviet expansion which succeeded. Besides, as of two months ago Hezbollah is the #1 terror threat nowadays (according to DHS).Plus, everyone goes on about restriction of freedom yet you and I are exchanging ideals right here; if what you say were true why wouldn't the feds shut you down for saying the stuff you're saying about them?
If you know that and you look at it at "face value", I don't know what else I can say. All I can do is suggest that you watch the BBC's three part documentary "The Power of Nightmares", for free on Google Video, to learn more about the documented truth surrounding the boogeyman that is known as "terrorism". Keep in mind, I'm not saying that no terrorism exists. I'm not saying that you should watch it and believe everything that is said. Research the information for yourself.
Of course certain groups within the gov trump up the perceived threat -- that's been going on for decades. That's not evil (it may be self-serving to the agencies involved) but the more aware you are, the stronger your responses will be, and the less likely a perceived threat will be so easily willing to do harm unto you. Are there groups out there seeking to usurp the Constitution from both ideological sides? Yes. Are they majority? No. Balance is pretty well maintained...most of the time...
"everyone goes on about restriction of freedom yet you and I are exchanging ideals right here; if what you say were true why wouldn't the feds shut you down for saying the stuff you're saying about them?"
Your logic is flawed. It's a documented fact that the Patriot Act I & II, the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act & Presidential Directive 51 have destroyed our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. Freedom & liberty is in the process of being destroyed.
Pat Acts I&II do not & have never been used maliciously against citizens who may disagree w/ the gov. The feds have been very particular when they use those acts. The Mil Commissions Act deals with enemy combatants (primarily Islamofascists in GITMO) who are not citizens or defined by the Geneva Conventions, therefore, they don't get trials. H.R. 5122 was created in the aftermath of Katrina when local & State govs failed to declare martial law & allow feds to move in & save New Orleans. CON'T...
I didn't say the US government was, I said States were & since it is ALL States that Anarchists are against & not just the U.S. state this point is in itself irrelevant.
However, the American state is the leading worldwide killer abroad since WWII: 10 million deaths & counting.
America has overthrown 15-20 governments since WWII, including 6 democracies that are even backed up by the CIA's declassified records.
As opposed to the Soviets, People's Republic of China, Darfur, et al -- governments who routinely classify death tolls and other relevant data. I'm fully aware of what governments the CIA has overthrown but the overthrowing of those governments ensured America's safety by securing vital resources or securing our hemisphere of the world. The safer & stronger we are, the more able we are to help a MAJORITY (not the entire) of the planet. I'm what Henry R. Nau calls a Conservative Internationalist.
Actually it's nothing like the rationale used by the Nazis...especially since they weren't helping people. America has prevented Europe from collapsing into the internecine warfare which defined it for most of its existence...thanks to our intervention post-WWII. Japan has benefited greatly thanks to our presence, dittos on S. Korea and Taiwan. What civilized parts there are in the MidEast has largely been thanks to our presence.We are beneficial to the world.
It is the exact same rationale: justifying conquest & subjugation of other countries by ultimately arguing it will assure your own security. The scope of their policy in carrying it out may be different, but it's the same justification.
Yes, America has created a few showcase countries to justify it's actions, but it has crushed, subjugated & enslaved (in debt) far more countries than it has helped; Vietnam, Indonesia, Chile, Guatemala, El Salvador, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Iran, Iraq, etc.
We haven't conquered anyone. Aside from the Philipenes (which we ultimately freed) we've never conquered anyone. Our presence abroad HAS secured our security & ensured prosperity for both us and the host nations. Vietnam was an enemy, Indonesia has internal issues that are beyond the US, dittos on Chile, Guatemala, & El Salvador. Cambodia was never truly assisted by the US dittos on Laos,Nicaragua same with Iran SINCE THEY WERE ENEMIES & Iraq is starting to do well. Your examples are not good.
You forgot that America conquered the Native Americans, this is on the official record. In fact on Feb 7 1955, The Supreme Court entered it's opinion in the case of Tee-Hit-Ton v. US asserting that the US holds title to American Indian territory by 'right of conquest'.
America also conquered Mexico & stole much of it's land, it's now called the State of New Mexico.
America pretty much conquered the whole of the S.American continent during the 1800s also.
With regards to Indonesia, America overthrew the democratically elected Sukarno in '65 & installed Suharto who slaughtered 600,000 people (CIA & MI6 sent deathlists); Chile, America overthrew democratic Allende in '73& installed the brutal Pinochet; Guatemala, America overthrew the democratic Arbenz in'54 & installed a series of brutal juntas that killed 200,000+, similar in El Salvador, only 100,000 deaths.
All of this is backed up on the CIA declassified record, care for some links?
Also, America dropped 2.7 million tonnes of bombs on Cambodia during a 'secret' bombing campaign, that we now know about because Clinton declassified the info in the 90's. 1 million people were slaughtered in Cambodia & Laos during this time.
Also, the 3.5 million people America slaughtered in Vietnam cannot be justified by simply stating that they were the enemy.
Diem, who invited the US in was a US installed puppet, who canceled elections because he & the US knew that Ho Chi Minh would win.
lol this dude is funny
vexion15 2 years ago
Now, just as with those prior precedents I mentioned I fully expect the aforementioned measures to be relinquished and retired after the perceived threat of Islamic Terrorism is vanquished. Should they not I'll be the first to raise a stink. But historically, our democracy has had to tighten up as it were (and yes, unfortunately, innocent ppl get caught up during that phase sometimes) and then relax after we've averted a crisis. It's imperfect, but leads to our survival.
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
H.R. 5122 ultimately benefits us b/c it increases response time to disasters. As for the Nat'l Security & Homeland Pres. Directive it merely expedites our ability to maintain a unified chain of command in a time of crisis. It cuts out all the bureaucratic squabbling & streamlines the process. I will be honest, this is the only 1 which gives me pause but the Nat'l Emergencies Act of '76 serves as a balance. Should an executive go too far, Congress can step in under that act & bust up wrongdoing.
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
Congress has no real power. I honestly hope that you don't believe that.
Also, I really hope that you don't believe that these acts, especially the Military Commissions Act, has never been used on innocent people because they have. This is not a secret. It's a documented fact.
Even if these acts and bills had never been used and, in the future, are never used on innocent people, the fact is that, by law, they are allowed to be used on innocent people.
continued...
RandleEl11 3 years ago
Actually, Congress has a lot of power. On top of their budgetary authority, given the sheer number of Congressmen & women should anything go fishy you can bet groups of Congressmen & women would raise a stink in public. Look at the '93 Conservative Revolution & the Republican House opposition to the Bailout.
I haven't seen any verifiable proof. These acts -- if and when they've been used -- have been used on truly suspicious persons. The feds have been very careful who is targeted.
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
...continued
I'm not trying to be rude, but I do not understand how anyone can know of these things and not see them for what they are. These are all bills and acts that completely go against the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Thank God the Supreme Court recently overturned a main part of the illegal and unconstitutional Military Commissions Act when they reinstated Habeas Corpus.
Thank you for maintaining a respectful tone.
RandleEl11 3 years ago
I don't find you rude at all; one of the few ppl I've found to be reasonable on youtube. These bills are not necessarily unconstitutional; they're in that gray area & they serve a greater good. There's also prior standing for bills like this (i.e. Alien & Sedition Acts, Lincoln's suspension of Habeas Corpus & suppression of press, Wilson's Espionage Acts, FDR's internment of Japanese, Censorship bureau, et al) & these modern bills are nowhere near as sweeping as those prior ones. CONTINUED
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
keith is cute
dancingoncars 3 years ago
This guy looks dangerous - ...to a bag of sticky.
preongraham 3 years ago
Dude stop hating on America. America isn't criticizing the world like that at all, and the sooner you realize this, the sooner you'll stop making rude comments like this on Youtube. You're telling me that America is the only country with both liberals AND conservatives? Get out of here.
MikeyVAA 3 years ago
Americans criticize the world for being not liberal or having freedom of speech yet they do the opposite......It shows their hypocrisy
telecalcu 3 years ago
minding his own business haha i doubt it
jaystus 3 years ago
Good call Kate. It's a theme. You're fast.
Norwillow 3 years ago 2
What a bunch of fucking fairies. So, rather than integrating yourself into The System and working logically to get your agenda pushed through, you'd rather act like a jackass and throw temper tantrums like children at a partisan event that you in no way can change? Here's a suggestion: take your passion, take your beliefs, do what I'm doing and work to go to College & then try and get in with the party of your choice and work from within. Like any sane person would. Jackasses, all of them!
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
Are you referring to Anarchists?
You are asking why Anarchists don't join the State system? You do realise that governments are responsible for the deaths of over 270,000,000 people worldwide in the last 100 years alone don't you?
If a gang of peadophiles ran the goverment would you fight against them now or join them & join in supporting their activities in an attempt to bring them down at some undefined date in the future?
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
First off, the United States government although flawed is not responsible for 270,000,000 peoples deaths. In fact, if it weren't for our government's foreign policy, there'd be more people dying in more places globally. As for your second point, I don't respond to hypotheticals especially as ridiculous as the pedophile comments. Anarchists are a bunch of lunatics and whiners that have no comprehension of how the world works. They need to put up or shut up.
Inter arma enim silent leges,
ATMD
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
"In fact, if it weren't for our government's foreign policy, there'd be more people dying in more places globally."
Our government created Al Qaeda (what most people think is the greatest threat of terrorism in the world). This is a proven and documented fact.
Our government does not want to stop terrorism. Our government, along with governments from all over the world, do nothing but spew propaganda about terrorism so that people will give up their freedom and liberty.
RandleEl11 3 years ago
Our government did not create al Qaeda,it merely supplied & trained them during the Soviet-Afghan War in order to destabilize the Soviet expansion which succeeded. Besides, as of two months ago Hezbollah is the #1 terror threat nowadays (according to DHS).Plus, everyone goes on about restriction of freedom yet you and I are exchanging ideals right here; if what you say were true why wouldn't the feds shut you down for saying the stuff you're saying about them?
Inter arma enim silent leges,
ATMD
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
If you know that and you look at it at "face value", I don't know what else I can say. All I can do is suggest that you watch the BBC's three part documentary "The Power of Nightmares", for free on Google Video, to learn more about the documented truth surrounding the boogeyman that is known as "terrorism". Keep in mind, I'm not saying that no terrorism exists. I'm not saying that you should watch it and believe everything that is said. Research the information for yourself.
RandleEl11 3 years ago
Of course certain groups within the gov trump up the perceived threat -- that's been going on for decades. That's not evil (it may be self-serving to the agencies involved) but the more aware you are, the stronger your responses will be, and the less likely a perceived threat will be so easily willing to do harm unto you. Are there groups out there seeking to usurp the Constitution from both ideological sides? Yes. Are they majority? No. Balance is pretty well maintained...most of the time...
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
"everyone goes on about restriction of freedom yet you and I are exchanging ideals right here; if what you say were true why wouldn't the feds shut you down for saying the stuff you're saying about them?"
Your logic is flawed. It's a documented fact that the Patriot Act I & II, the Military Commissions Act, the John Warner Defense Authorization Act & Presidential Directive 51 have destroyed our Constitution and our Bill of Rights. Freedom & liberty is in the process of being destroyed.
RandleEl11 3 years ago
Pat Acts I&II do not & have never been used maliciously against citizens who may disagree w/ the gov. The feds have been very particular when they use those acts. The Mil Commissions Act deals with enemy combatants (primarily Islamofascists in GITMO) who are not citizens or defined by the Geneva Conventions, therefore, they don't get trials. H.R. 5122 was created in the aftermath of Katrina when local & State govs failed to declare martial law & allow feds to move in & save New Orleans. CON'T...
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
Ok...well, I just read your profile, so I know that you will will refuse to believe what I just said to you.
Your screen name is "AllTerroristMustDie", yet you support terrorism, including false-flag terrorism, by supporting this administration.
Whether knowingly or unknowingly, on your YouTube profile, you have a link to the website of the terrorists who planned the attacks on 9/11.
RandleEl11 3 years ago
To AllTerroristsMustDie:
I didn't say the US government was, I said States were & since it is ALL States that Anarchists are against & not just the U.S. state this point is in itself irrelevant.
However, the American state is the leading worldwide killer abroad since WWII: 10 million deaths & counting.
America has overthrown 15-20 governments since WWII, including 6 democracies that are even backed up by the CIA's declassified records.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
As opposed to the Soviets, People's Republic of China, Darfur, et al -- governments who routinely classify death tolls and other relevant data. I'm fully aware of what governments the CIA has overthrown but the overthrowing of those governments ensured America's safety by securing vital resources or securing our hemisphere of the world. The safer & stronger we are, the more able we are to help a MAJORITY (not the entire) of the planet. I'm what Henry R. Nau calls a Conservative Internationalist.
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
It's the same internal rationale used by all Nazis.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Actually it's nothing like the rationale used by the Nazis...especially since they weren't helping people. America has prevented Europe from collapsing into the internecine warfare which defined it for most of its existence...thanks to our intervention post-WWII. Japan has benefited greatly thanks to our presence, dittos on S. Korea and Taiwan. What civilized parts there are in the MidEast has largely been thanks to our presence.We are beneficial to the world.
Inter arma enim silent leges,
ATMD
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
It is the exact same rationale: justifying conquest & subjugation of other countries by ultimately arguing it will assure your own security. The scope of their policy in carrying it out may be different, but it's the same justification.
Yes, America has created a few showcase countries to justify it's actions, but it has crushed, subjugated & enslaved (in debt) far more countries than it has helped; Vietnam, Indonesia, Chile, Guatemala, El Salvador, Cambodia, Laos, Nicaragua, Iran, Iraq, etc.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
We haven't conquered anyone. Aside from the Philipenes (which we ultimately freed) we've never conquered anyone. Our presence abroad HAS secured our security & ensured prosperity for both us and the host nations. Vietnam was an enemy, Indonesia has internal issues that are beyond the US, dittos on Chile, Guatemala, & El Salvador. Cambodia was never truly assisted by the US dittos on Laos,Nicaragua same with Iran SINCE THEY WERE ENEMIES & Iraq is starting to do well. Your examples are not good.
AllTerroristsMustDie 3 years ago
You forgot that America conquered the Native Americans, this is on the official record. In fact on Feb 7 1955, The Supreme Court entered it's opinion in the case of Tee-Hit-Ton v. US asserting that the US holds title to American Indian territory by 'right of conquest'.
America also conquered Mexico & stole much of it's land, it's now called the State of New Mexico.
America pretty much conquered the whole of the S.American continent during the 1800s also.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
With regards to Indonesia, America overthrew the democratically elected Sukarno in '65 & installed Suharto who slaughtered 600,000 people (CIA & MI6 sent deathlists); Chile, America overthrew democratic Allende in '73& installed the brutal Pinochet; Guatemala, America overthrew the democratic Arbenz in'54 & installed a series of brutal juntas that killed 200,000+, similar in El Salvador, only 100,000 deaths.
All of this is backed up on the CIA declassified record, care for some links?
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Also, America dropped 2.7 million tonnes of bombs on Cambodia during a 'secret' bombing campaign, that we now know about because Clinton declassified the info in the 90's. 1 million people were slaughtered in Cambodia & Laos during this time.
Also, the 3.5 million people America slaughtered in Vietnam cannot be justified by simply stating that they were the enemy.
Diem, who invited the US in was a US installed puppet, who canceled elections because he & the US knew that Ho Chi Minh would win.
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Keith appears so benign and having a gentle disposition. Why would anyone want to be violent to him? Must be an abuse of authority.
b9keith 3 years ago
Hi Kate,
did Keith say he was actually beaten as well as being tackled to the ground?
CapitalistHolocaust 3 years ago
Police brutality in America? Must be a well kept secret.
UncleKennybobs 3 years ago 2