The evil of men never ceases to amaze to kill so many honorable men for the ideal of unified country they were loyal to the emperor so what was the point???
The scene were the Japaneese officer was disheartened because the death of so many Samurai gave me the chills. Also that he let Katsumoto die with honour.
I´m no Samurai commenting this, anyone would understand.
form may be lost essence isn't. Courage, responsibilty, mercy, discipline, a willingness to embrace SOME moral code of condcut, these last, are lost, and emerge again. Modernity is fleeting.
@BiffaTW Yer.... I much prefer the napoleonic era myself tbh.. but as human beings and the bastard that comes with that we must always be forever evolving... so the word is not the bird it's don't get too comfy with one era because it will never last O.o
@BiffaTW people should think twice before romantisizing about the samurai culture. after all it was a warrior culture shaped by war and killing. a culture that deemed it honorable and noble to kill for nothing more than glory. although hollywood movies would have you believe that samurai were some kind of noble people (im not saying they werent) you gotta remember they were above all hired soldiers.
@BiffaTW the so called samurai code of ethics only took form after japan went into peace and samurai clans stopped fighting with each other. they needed to justify why the samurai would still be considered a higher class of people although they werent needed for fighting anymore. samurai veterans took up other professions. some became writers and many of those wrote books about these so called samurai ethics. but thats stuff you should not take too seriously.
@MajinVegeto89 I disagree entirely with both of your comments. This does constitute 'romanticisation' at all. Its merely showing the Samurai in a good light. As for their works you took that from a comment by me in relation to a point I was making about thier dedication to 'honour' which the person I was arguing with strangely denied. If you read my comments properly you would see I was relating to that. As for 'ethics' I would suggest you read them; most were written by practicing Samurai!
@MajinVegeto89 As a final note I would also say the Samurai were not as much for the glory of killing but the glory of dying if you read the literature you would know that. Also you should try and recognise the virtue of other cultures, the samurai were a remarkable group of people, not all of them 'good' but that is down to the individual. I would say the celebration of them, though I dont watch much of that I prefer more true reflections, is not only merited but proof of their excellence.
@BiffaTW Yes I know that, and I dont see how "the glory of dying" is a virtue worth praising. Another important virtue of the samurai was complete loyalty and obedience to authority. I dont see that as 100% positive either. I know samurai ehtics were written by samurai but as I said, AFTER japan went into peace and samurai werent needed for war anymore. Before that they were mercenaries, specialized fighter who fought for money.
@MajinVegeto89 Yes, well that is where we differ then, I do think that their preparedness to die for what they believed in was virtuous and the glory coming from that. I agree with you that the dedication was also admirable, a positive '100%' can only be designated by the individual and we cant ofc generalise about all samurai. The works were written by Samurai -who had fought- and who were perfecting/refining in peace-time the values that had developed over the centuries before.
@MajinVegeto89 "the glory of dying" is a virtue dying for something you strongly believe in. something not everyone would be able to do. they had something of which was valuable to them, there way of living.
not all were mercenaries, others fought to protect, others fought for that peace, others fought for honor & there way of serving. each had their different paths, & ofc not too many things are gonna be 100% positive.
it depends on that person whether to want & find those things positive.
@rEmiXraiNz Yeah I know not everything is black and white. Im not saying everything about samurai are negative. Im just saying people should think twice before romantisizing about them and look to actual facts not myth and legends :)
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX let me guess, as an African, i can tell your pro imperial. we Ghanaian had lost to the french like this, and my ancestors were one of them
@Abdikarimelmi lol yeah coz it's the same construction work because ghanas so fucking small! xD also do I give a shit???? do you think ghana will ever be anything? militaryily? economically? politically? will it fuck! now do me a favour and make sure the rest of you shite arsed countrymen don't hop on a boat over to my country!
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX lol, why would we run to your country, firstly you don't talk about britians economic status along with the west XD, secondly your nation scraped it's only aircraft carrier and Germany is challenging Britain's political status
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX LOL, that's rational, your right that we are a small country and whats with the racism and insults :S. And were was your army when china pushed you to give in Hong Kong in 97....
@Abdikarimelmi ???? the point is we aren't a nation like Ghana, so we stick to our agreements, hong kong was agreed to be given to us in 1898 for 99 years... 1997 the agreement was up... what do you want us to do? what your black shite faced two faced cunting army and government would do and betray an agreement... precisely... that's why Britain is a politically strong nation as well as militarily and economically!
I suggest many should actually research Samurai. Samurai were not as honourable as the west makes them out to be. Japanese history is full of deception and betrayal, much as western and chinese history is. The most popular method of betrayal was waiting on the outskirts of a battle to see who was winning, then suddenly change sides if it was to their advantage.
I think it's more respectful to remember them as they truely were, not as they are in fiction.
@MrAzzameen Yes I suggest you should read history! Ofc there were bad Samurai but you need to take into account the complexity of humanity. This represents what the Samurai stood for, though not all adhered to it, a man's life is a journey of finding the right path this is what what S. strove for.
Finally there is in fact truth in myth, the Samurai myth has grown out of true history in which real men comitted to brave and virtuous acts such as this.
@BiffaTW Yes I agree: but to go and to claim, like many have on here, that they were the only truely honourable warriors in history or to claim they were superior to others is an insult to the other many cultures. Samurai history in particular have been blown out of proportion (Ninja's more so) to make them seem unstoppable forces who never retreat, could crush any enemy that stood before them and were the most honourable. This is far from the truth.
@MrAzzameen Well, they were a formidable force, and thats is very true but I dont think people enthusiatically appraising a remarkable group of people is to the detrement of other cultures. The Samurai, based on their ideals and actions in History merit it. Ofc whichever group of people is elevated to the height of 'greatest warrior' is relative to opinion but based upon their beliefs, and their history they're certainly up there with the best and merit high praise, I believe.
This is not to say only Samurai were honourable only that the Samurai embodied universal ideals of honour and great courage and doing so comitted great actions such as this which furthermore inspire people to it. So i do not think it has in anyway been blown out of proportion in fact I think that it is getting alot of long-due praise.
@BiffaTW Samurai were used by lords to extract taxes and tribute from commoners. A Samurai could kill a commoner for the slightest insult and were widely feared by the Japanese population. Samurai are said to have tested new swords on prisoners. It is unlikely that many Samurai had modern ideas about fairness and equality as they are portrayed in popular myth. Whether how couragous they were in battle is irrelevant to how honourable they were. Samurai were not as honourable as they are depicted.
@MrAzzameen No im afraid thats far too simplistic, and believing in a false view of modernity. I think fairness and equality are not 'modern' at all and they could concieve alot that modernity does not allow for. Yes, there were bad S. but that does not mean that many were less honourable than has been depicted at all your too cynical and ignorant of human cabability. They were honourable in battle but that oft comes from honour in domestic life for them based around buddhist spiritual ideas.
@BiffaTW What are you talking about? Words like honour, loyalty, bushido, and the sword are commonly pinned to the samurai . However, in truth, none of these concepts were big factors of samurai culture for most of its history. Despite what the typical modern samurai image may lead you to believe, there was nothing loyal, chivalrous, or noble about these men. If anything, they were ambitious warriors who sought to enrich themselves above all else. The samurai were nothing but employed thugs.
@MrAzzameen I suggest you go and read some history, try James Mcclain. You'll find the image you think is 'modern' was cultivated by the Samurai pinning it to national identity way back in the 11th to 12th century. Ofc there were alot of self serving Samurai and ofc you can't link up European values to theirs evenly, which this film reflects, but you're wrong to say that this was indicative of them since these were the people hat crystallised a whole way of life based on these virtuous beliefs!
@BiffaTW They were a superfluous burden on Japanese civilization; an inflated ruling class that contributed little to society but drained a considerable amount of wealth. What did honour mean to the samurai - both in and out of battle, it certainly meant nothing to the samurai of the Heian age. However, it became exceedingly important in the late stages of samurai history, ironically in a time of peace; the Tokugawa era, where it factored more into political and social conduct.
@MrAzzameen Im sorry I cannot agree at all. Cetainly they flourished in times of peace which shows somthing you are not seeing about the Samurai, that their honour and worth extended beyond battle. They certainly stand out as particular with their sharp and well-defined approach to warfare and heroism as well as their duty to their lord and country. Im sorry totally off the mark in arguing that they were a 'drain' and 'bad men' they are best remembered the men who forged a nation.
@BiffaTW What are you talking about their duty to lord and country!? Samurai changed allegiences all the time. I suggest you stop being incredibly biased and look at the hard evidence. Yes they were good swordsmen. Yes they were reknown for their abilities in battle and their use of deception (art of war after all). But they were mercenaries who became well established by bloodlines and heritage. Nothing more, nothing less. You are romanticizing them like the Godfather did with the mafia.
@MrAzzameen Im not being at all bias those are the princples they stood for, that was the structure of the society. You are yourself use no hard evidence your presenting your own bias opinion and presenting it as fact. The fact is I have all-round view of the Samurai where you have a dislike and seek to tarnish them. Ive never denied bad samurai, traitors etc. But if you are talking of their princples and what they stood for, what it meant to be Samurai then loyalty was utmost. more soon.
@BiffaTW furthermore you cannot apply one adjective of 'good' or 'bad' to an group men are good and bad in all walks of life. What you can do is look at the general values and attitudes as well as deeds. The Samurai were ruthless warriors and ferocious politicians but they also held to and did indeed adhere to noble ideals, not always comparable to western values (which I assume yours are). And this has inspired a romanticism that does in fact reflect truly remarkable men.
@BiffaTW You call yourself a "Historian" when you cannot view history as one and instead view it as your own opinion. A true historian views a culture as a whole: not just the impressive parts without the negative. Take for example world war two. Any real historian researches Nazi Germany impartially and including both sides of the story. All you seem to do is say how I am wrong, when most historical sources indicate what I've been saying. Samurai were mighty warriors but they were not saints.
@MrAzzameen They were often used as tools against the people and for political reasons. At the time of their presence they may have been respected, but it was often through fear. It is only looking back on them that the Japanese (and the world) can look back on their history. After all, that is why they were destroyed during the Satsuma Rebellion. However, the film grossly over exaggerates the actual rebellion, as do most people about Samurai, or Romans, or Spartans or any culture.
@MrAzzameen No, thats supremely ignorant indeed! Respect doesnt come from fear though im sure many did fear them. The film sought to represent the Samurai as they truly were in spirit, rather than take a 'photo' of what happend, to give an all round view of what the Samurai were and stood for. If you watch it closely it does not say they were saints only that they had alot to offer. Also The rebellion cannot be 'exagerated' it was a key part in japanese history....
@MrAzzameen Finally, they can be 'glossed' but at the same time the reality is more remarkable than the fiction. You are too cyncical, like I said before you under estimate human cabability. You think that a postive representation is a bad thing and it is not, nor is it unreflective, if people are admired its likely to be for a good reason. There are many perspectives but you cannot deny these men stood for what they said they did and were prepared to die for; honour.
@MrAzzameenI do not call myself a 'historian' as I am one, postgraduate, and yet you lecture me on the process, the skills! You've just described yourself taking 'culture as a whole' is exactly what you have not done. I have disagreed with you and you dislike that and attack me for unmerited reasons. I never said the Samurai were saints and I have taken an unbias view, that does not exclude admiration for good reasons. I say you're wrong because you say that my view is bias when it is not.
@MrAzzameen you tell people to read history, many do, but your problem is you cannot see past your own dislike when reading (or rather 'if'). From this you cannot conceive of another opinion which makes your own defunct because it has only the motive of disdaining another.
My friend Yatsuhiro's great great grandfather was apart of the Satsuma Rebellion and his great Grandfather told us that his father died in loyalty to Bushido and the emperor, to show how a true warrior dies. I honestly didnt know what it meant until I saw this movie....and I can never tell him how much of a mentor he was to me. RIP Katsuhiro Kowabyashi. Your ideals will never be forgotten.
these men died with honor these storng brave warriors gave there lives to protect the relegion they loved..........just tiers so many tiers..............they all died and never got to see there freinds and famly ever again
@ZenonOne No, then we wudnt of got to see one of the best peices of film at the end with the emperor and nathan when he asks him " Tell me how he died" " I will tell you, how he lived" beautiful scene that made the emperor realise that you can have all the weapons and power in the world, but you cant forget your roots and where you came from
It's baffling how many people will watch a film and take it for fact. This charge is purely fictional! On the Director's commentary they say how they based it off The Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War.
@azzameentv Its baffling how you can make such an assumption, nobodies taking it for fact and nobody has stated it as so anywhere here, they're taking it for somthing much more true than mere 'fact'.
and yet with this scene it demonstrates the honour and integrity of a culture, it may be based on a scene off a previous film, but this film shows in part who the samurai were, we are less due to there loss, if we were to learn the lessons of our past perhaps we wouldnt be so quick to repeat the same mistakes. i remember this film for my friend, dave mott, may he be remembered for the honour and courage he showed in his days as he slowly died of cancer
@kragord Its based off the Satsuma Rebellion in a way, when the remaining Samurai charged the Imperial lines, knowing fully well they were going to die in the end. It remains as the last rebellion the Samurai launched against the Meiji Government.
There is no good or bad, there is no right an wrong, there is only the moment and what we choose to do with it. weather it bring dead and sorrow or joy and happness it is not for fate or faith to deside but for us to interpret an for us to make.
@Fatboyswim123 You can't say that of every Samurai. You use a movie to reference your point as well. :/ That's not very solid. But if you want to go with that; then that's like saying all the SS were evil. You know, Schindler's List?
@Fatboyswim123 Funny you should say "bad guys". Try slaughtering the natives and taking others as slaves... coming from the time of the land of the brave and land of the free, indeed.
@Fatboyswim123 Guy there is history and then there is the story (in German it is the same word "Geschichte") and sthe story is that brave man fought for what the believed, and this scene should be an inspiration nothing more nothing less.
Sad scene.I'd say as sad as the ending of Gladiator.Really fucked up how sad these scenes make me.The unfairness is so damn heavy.
Though I've always wondered why they didn't attack them from behind.I'm not sure of the landscape and I'm aware it they basically have to die for the sake of the movie, but they could have just flanked them, not charge into death.They could have used the gattling guns for their own advantage against the next regiments.
@Fatboyswim123 The Satsuma rebellion, which this movie is based on, was not fought by the Samurai for the preservation of the social hierarchy that existed, it was fought to preserve the ways of Bushido, Shinto and the other ancient Japanese faiths that have existed for centuries before Western Influence began to marginalize them. Don't forget, it was the Samurai that re-installed the emperor as a political force to begin with, they wanted change as well, just not at the speed it came.
The samurai are the most bravest, strongest, smartest and the most loyal and calmist in all of far east Asia. They died for what they believed in. No White man can take that honour or loyalty away from them. R.I.P samurai. The will love on in the heats of all Japanese people. They might not know it but they all have samurai blood in them. And R.I.P all the Japanese men, women and children who have died In the earthquake.
@spartanwarrior46 So your telling us that the japanese have been good people always?. Dude, In the second world war the japanese attacked pearl harbour and killed many american soldiers and destroyed the battle ships. And what did USA do about it? They sent a nuclear bomb because of the attack from the japanse or rather called: the imperial army. Now it isn't WW2 anymore and we all know that there was an accident in Japan when a earthquake came and created an tsunami - 30 metres high.
@wiikotom4 look both sides did bad things you cant atatched evil to one side or another to one ehtinicty or another, there are execellent things about Americas diverse history just as much of Japan. But I think we can all agree that Hiroshima, Pearl Harbour and this current Tsunami are terrible because ordinary, majoritively good people were and are being harmed, and heritage squashed and tattered.
fuck all you haters the samurai were a peaceful people who were killed off by modern day japan, who fought till the end and if still alive in a defeated battle they would kill themselves believing they had failed to protect their people they prayed and practiced for hours and they had the guts to go against enemy who outnumbered and outgunned them and they may not of won but they died fighting to keep the ways of the old and that is something i can only dream about doing .
fuck all you haters the samurai were a peaceful people who were killed off by modern day japan, who fought till the end and if still alive in a defeated battle they would kill themselves believing they had failed to protect their people they prayed and practiced for hours and they had the guts to go against enemy who outnumbered and outgunned them and they may not of won but they died fighting to keep the ways of the old and that is something i can only dream about doing .
@Fatboyswim123 wow u really are stupid mate the europeans didnt give rights to woman as well until around 1900's are u saying every nation who doesnt give woman rights is bad if u do i feel very sorry for u because Muslims were the ones that gave woman rights then followe on by the catholic race so dot go saying samurai's were bad because they wernt if the white people didnt go to japan here wouldnt have been this war
@Fatboyswim123 samurai normally led from the front, though you are right they were elite. However the formalisation of 'rights' has never come close to the realty of spiritual truths for example the geisha and women of samurai class who wielded immense power over different periods. The Samurai were not 'bad dudes' the goodness or badness of one man is his own be he samurai or not but much of what the Samurai stood for is eternally good. Women's rights ha! Try murder for getting in the way...
@BiffaTW they were elite but one untold truth is that most of them were really too poor like most peasants.literally peasants taken off their fields to serve as warriors,scribes,scholars,teachers,patrolmen,personal guards and so on.And most of them nearly had enough goku(rice measurement) to feed their families.If you havent seen a movie called twilight samurai i suggest you do.Hiroyuki Sanada who was Ujio in this one is the main character.
I don't know if what you say is sarcastic or not but it is really true what I say, shogun 2 is in the 16th century and there barely are guns . (you can get them when trading with europe, but the guns are the same as in medieval 2)
@w0to VERY sarcastic lol; This was done 'in the spirit' of the release of the news, i.e. Samurai's, this being one of the most recent and influential (in the west) Samurai films and perhaps the only reason I will be playing shogun as it made me realise Japanese history. In that sense it is extremely relevant.
Not to be a A hole but I think it would be cooler if there was this type of movie but more historically accurate without white people, cus it kind of screws this movie a bit :) Just a bit :D:D
If warfare were fought by hand and sword today then the Samurai would top the list. They are an example to everyone else who want to fight for what's right in the world. Much respect from Ireland.
@goe5 No it's not loyality, honor and justice can never die..they just sleep till one day righteous men will rise and fight again for honor and freedom.....
@willg19953 move on to what? Thats exactly the kind of logic that led to such slaughters; however that whole view is eronious since Japan had already and abandoned guns in the 17th century, there is no forward backward process with humanity. The sooner such values as the Samurai proport are revalued once again the better this world will be.
@BiffaTW The native Americans thought the same and look what happened to them....Technology is what makes us better, but having the vaules they shared wouldn't hurt either. Kinda like the seven Army values.
@Bmont8030 yes the native americans retained their place in the nation because they didnt role over. Technology does NOT make us better I bet you look on warfare truly as a game, ever since the influx of technology war has become impersonal and people are simply fodder for mechanised destruction. Call that better? I dont think so w're becoming reliant on it and when it goes wrong we'll be rendered useless since we are no longer independant.
@BiffaTW as a soldier i go with whatever will help me stay alive and come home to my friends and family in one piece. I know what you mean though. Sometimes going back to basics solves issues too.
People forget that this really happend. This scene, the last samurais!! Katsumoto is not proven, but the Samurai called Saigo did the same. He fought for the emperor, got betrayed (because of the modern fighting) and the emperor turned against him. Saigo his men fought for many years, but in 1877 the last battle came, where all the last samurais were under Saigos command. The Emperor took massive casualties, but the Samurais got shot down at the end, by the guns and machine guns. Saigo died, Sad
Beautiful scene. But this is the lesson: Katana and samurai spirit alone can't stand against rifles and bullets. That's why Japanese infantries lost to US marine on land battles. Their spirit is great but their equipment is not.
@AndresDrakulAlcaide yep. they bow to the samurai, not watching, but out of respect. the samurais charged the Imperial Army's position with out fear, even though the Imperial Army was using firearms. Beautiful movie. Nice story line.
@bobhawks tue but you can always find stranger things in real life, i do not think this movie is far fetched much braver deeds did happen, this is simply a true reflection of the bravery that some samurai did show. Its always hard for people in this day and age to believe as they lead such sheltered lives.
@rafflhan guns are for cowards thats why your missing the point, we all die, being able to kill means little but to create a powerful spirit and make an everlasting point is the real victory.
well i suppose but the samurai are lost, while the guns are not. guns take the romance out of war. and thats why im gonna play some barbarian invasion rite about... now
@BiffaTW Im sorry but thats bullshit. Using a firearm does not make one a coward, no more than using a bow, spear, javelin, pike or anything else used to keep some distance between yourself and the enemy. Your comment implies that bravery has to do with the kinds of weapons used rather then the danger the individual faces. Also, during the Satsuma Rebellion, which the movie is based on, the samurai used mainly used firearms unlike in the film, so I suppose that makes them cowards in your eyes.
@hwkvoltigeur Its not 'bullshit' your being too simple minded, i never said using a firearm was cowardly those who use and go up against them have the greatest courage, but the concept of a gun is cowardly, not the individual using it. The mechanisation of warfare and loss of nobility in it is what this scene *not the satsuma rebellion* is all about, i.e -courage is greater than the machine. Japan got rid of all firearms at one point for the CONCEPT was cowardly. Please think before you comment.
@BiffaTW This battle reflects the spirit of the samurai, they may have used rifles in the revolution but they wouldnt stand a chance in reality if they didnt. Your other point however makes the inventors of firearms cowardly, samurai used them because they had to. I will definitely not tolerate any disrespect to the way of the Bushido.
Great but that Gun looks more effective than me with My modern glock 16. And that is pretty strange since it is like the first machine Gun
TheNaziboy007 3 months ago
The evil of men never ceases to amaze to kill so many honorable men for the ideal of unified country they were loyal to the emperor so what was the point???
KingKraze187 4 months ago
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@KingKraze187 sigh... did you even watch the movie.... or know history...
goku21060 3 months ago
der wundervolleste film den ich je gesehen habe er zeigt und echt wie schrecklich wir menschen unter einander sein können ,
der film füllt mir jedesmal wenn ich ihn schaue meine augen voll tränen
wenn er mich fragt mit abstand der beste film den es gibt
russiaengel100 4 months ago
The scene were the Japaneese officer was disheartened because the death of so many Samurai gave me the chills. Also that he let Katsumoto die with honour.
I´m no Samurai commenting this, anyone would understand.
TheAvatar15 4 months ago
You have all these virtues, exchanged for money.
atzebww 4 months ago
a few minutes later Kazumoto woke up again and yelled at Tom Cruise ' what the fuck you cut my dick !!!'
H770907 5 months ago
@H770907 lol right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thejues 4 months ago
good i almost cryed R.I.P (that you have done a long time) i will never forget
blackbelt807 5 months ago
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I cry when I watch this :,(
generalnmp 5 months ago
i should of died alongside with kastumoto
393jalbious 5 months ago 2
america destoyed everything eventhing even samurai who were loyal to japan
MrMarek19 5 months ago
form may be lost essence isn't. Courage, responsibilty, mercy, discipline, a willingness to embrace SOME moral code of condcut, these last, are lost, and emerge again. Modernity is fleeting.
wotmot223 5 months ago 7
@wotmot223 well said :)
BiffaTW 5 months ago
the sword is more honarable than the gun.
thejues 6 months ago
@thejues you are right specialty the katana it is the most honarble weapon it is the samurais soul. and it take long create it
blackbelt807 5 months ago
there is such bravery that the modern army just purly respected the samurai and what they represented that they were bowing and dident do crap.
thejues 6 months ago
modernity always prevails...
XxGREATxBRITAINxX 6 months ago
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX Modernity will destroy itself, it's sick ;)
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW Yer.... I much prefer the napoleonic era myself tbh.. but as human beings and the bastard that comes with that we must always be forever evolving... so the word is not the bird it's don't get too comfy with one era because it will never last O.o
XxGREATxBRITAINxX 6 months ago
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX yeh all form becomes destroyed, more devolution than evolution, I suppose it is whatever God deems right to last.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW people should think twice before romantisizing about the samurai culture. after all it was a warrior culture shaped by war and killing. a culture that deemed it honorable and noble to kill for nothing more than glory. although hollywood movies would have you believe that samurai were some kind of noble people (im not saying they werent) you gotta remember they were above all hired soldiers.
MajinVegeto89 5 months ago
@BiffaTW the so called samurai code of ethics only took form after japan went into peace and samurai clans stopped fighting with each other. they needed to justify why the samurai would still be considered a higher class of people although they werent needed for fighting anymore. samurai veterans took up other professions. some became writers and many of those wrote books about these so called samurai ethics. but thats stuff you should not take too seriously.
MajinVegeto89 5 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 I disagree entirely with both of your comments. This does constitute 'romanticisation' at all. Its merely showing the Samurai in a good light. As for their works you took that from a comment by me in relation to a point I was making about thier dedication to 'honour' which the person I was arguing with strangely denied. If you read my comments properly you would see I was relating to that. As for 'ethics' I would suggest you read them; most were written by practicing Samurai!
BiffaTW 5 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 As a final note I would also say the Samurai were not as much for the glory of killing but the glory of dying if you read the literature you would know that. Also you should try and recognise the virtue of other cultures, the samurai were a remarkable group of people, not all of them 'good' but that is down to the individual. I would say the celebration of them, though I dont watch much of that I prefer more true reflections, is not only merited but proof of their excellence.
BiffaTW 5 months ago
@BiffaTW Yes I know that, and I dont see how "the glory of dying" is a virtue worth praising. Another important virtue of the samurai was complete loyalty and obedience to authority. I dont see that as 100% positive either. I know samurai ehtics were written by samurai but as I said, AFTER japan went into peace and samurai werent needed for war anymore. Before that they were mercenaries, specialized fighter who fought for money.
MajinVegeto89 5 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 Yes, well that is where we differ then, I do think that their preparedness to die for what they believed in was virtuous and the glory coming from that. I agree with you that the dedication was also admirable, a positive '100%' can only be designated by the individual and we cant ofc generalise about all samurai. The works were written by Samurai -who had fought- and who were perfecting/refining in peace-time the values that had developed over the centuries before.
BiffaTW 5 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 "the glory of dying" is a virtue dying for something you strongly believe in. something not everyone would be able to do. they had something of which was valuable to them, there way of living.
not all were mercenaries, others fought to protect, others fought for that peace, others fought for honor & there way of serving. each had their different paths, & ofc not too many things are gonna be 100% positive.
it depends on that person whether to want & find those things positive.
rEmiXraiNz 5 months ago
@rEmiXraiNz Yeah I know not everything is black and white. Im not saying everything about samurai are negative. Im just saying people should think twice before romantisizing about them and look to actual facts not myth and legends :)
MajinVegeto89 5 months ago
@MajinVegeto89 aye but I dont think this film constitutes myth or legend. But those things are only ever steeped in truth anyway...
BiffaTW 5 months ago
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX let me guess, as an African, i can tell your pro imperial. we Ghanaian had lost to the french like this, and my ancestors were one of them
Abdikarimelmi 6 months ago
@Abdikarimelmi let me guess your one of those stupid twats who imigrates to my country becasue yours is shite??... spot on... thought so.
XxGREATxBRITAINxX 6 months ago
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX nope, I live in ghana, Accra. What made you think that
Abdikarimelmi 6 months ago
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX ghana is the fastest growing country in west Africa comrade, every time you walk for 5 min, you hear construction work.
Abdikarimelmi 6 months ago
@Abdikarimelmi lol yeah coz it's the same construction work because ghanas so fucking small! xD also do I give a shit???? do you think ghana will ever be anything? militaryily? economically? politically? will it fuck! now do me a favour and make sure the rest of you shite arsed countrymen don't hop on a boat over to my country!
XxGREATxBRITAINxX 6 months ago
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX lol, why would we run to your country, firstly you don't talk about britians economic status along with the west XD, secondly your nation scraped it's only aircraft carrier and Germany is challenging Britain's political status
Abdikarimelmi 6 months ago
@Abdikarimelmi .. ermm we've still got the best army.... you have a niggger with a stick to guard your country.
XxGREATxBRITAINxX 6 months ago
@XxGREATxBRITAINxX LOL, that's rational, your right that we are a small country and whats with the racism and insults :S. And were was your army when china pushed you to give in Hong Kong in 97....
Abdikarimelmi 6 months ago
@Abdikarimelmi ???? the point is we aren't a nation like Ghana, so we stick to our agreements, hong kong was agreed to be given to us in 1898 for 99 years... 1997 the agreement was up... what do you want us to do? what your black shite faced two faced cunting army and government would do and betray an agreement... precisely... that's why Britain is a politically strong nation as well as militarily and economically!
XxGREATxBRITAINxX 6 months ago
Stop reading about bickering and look up at the video
keenmachine80 6 months ago
I suggest many should actually research Samurai. Samurai were not as honourable as the west makes them out to be. Japanese history is full of deception and betrayal, much as western and chinese history is. The most popular method of betrayal was waiting on the outskirts of a battle to see who was winning, then suddenly change sides if it was to their advantage.
I think it's more respectful to remember them as they truely were, not as they are in fiction.
Read history, not myth.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen Yes I suggest you should read history! Ofc there were bad Samurai but you need to take into account the complexity of humanity. This represents what the Samurai stood for, though not all adhered to it, a man's life is a journey of finding the right path this is what what S. strove for.
Finally there is in fact truth in myth, the Samurai myth has grown out of true history in which real men comitted to brave and virtuous acts such as this.
Read into the myth and find the history.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW Yes I agree: but to go and to claim, like many have on here, that they were the only truely honourable warriors in history or to claim they were superior to others is an insult to the other many cultures. Samurai history in particular have been blown out of proportion (Ninja's more so) to make them seem unstoppable forces who never retreat, could crush any enemy that stood before them and were the most honourable. This is far from the truth.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen Well, they were a formidable force, and thats is very true but I dont think people enthusiatically appraising a remarkable group of people is to the detrement of other cultures. The Samurai, based on their ideals and actions in History merit it. Ofc whichever group of people is elevated to the height of 'greatest warrior' is relative to opinion but based upon their beliefs, and their history they're certainly up there with the best and merit high praise, I believe.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
This is not to say only Samurai were honourable only that the Samurai embodied universal ideals of honour and great courage and doing so comitted great actions such as this which furthermore inspire people to it. So i do not think it has in anyway been blown out of proportion in fact I think that it is getting alot of long-due praise.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW Samurai were used by lords to extract taxes and tribute from commoners. A Samurai could kill a commoner for the slightest insult and were widely feared by the Japanese population. Samurai are said to have tested new swords on prisoners. It is unlikely that many Samurai had modern ideas about fairness and equality as they are portrayed in popular myth. Whether how couragous they were in battle is irrelevant to how honourable they were. Samurai were not as honourable as they are depicted.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen No im afraid thats far too simplistic, and believing in a false view of modernity. I think fairness and equality are not 'modern' at all and they could concieve alot that modernity does not allow for. Yes, there were bad S. but that does not mean that many were less honourable than has been depicted at all your too cynical and ignorant of human cabability. They were honourable in battle but that oft comes from honour in domestic life for them based around buddhist spiritual ideas.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW What are you talking about? Words like honour, loyalty, bushido, and the sword are commonly pinned to the samurai . However, in truth, none of these concepts were big factors of samurai culture for most of its history. Despite what the typical modern samurai image may lead you to believe, there was nothing loyal, chivalrous, or noble about these men. If anything, they were ambitious warriors who sought to enrich themselves above all else. The samurai were nothing but employed thugs.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen I suggest you go and read some history, try James Mcclain. You'll find the image you think is 'modern' was cultivated by the Samurai pinning it to national identity way back in the 11th to 12th century. Ofc there were alot of self serving Samurai and ofc you can't link up European values to theirs evenly, which this film reflects, but you're wrong to say that this was indicative of them since these were the people hat crystallised a whole way of life based on these virtuous beliefs!
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW They were a superfluous burden on Japanese civilization; an inflated ruling class that contributed little to society but drained a considerable amount of wealth. What did honour mean to the samurai - both in and out of battle, it certainly meant nothing to the samurai of the Heian age. However, it became exceedingly important in the late stages of samurai history, ironically in a time of peace; the Tokugawa era, where it factored more into political and social conduct.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen Im sorry I cannot agree at all. Cetainly they flourished in times of peace which shows somthing you are not seeing about the Samurai, that their honour and worth extended beyond battle. They certainly stand out as particular with their sharp and well-defined approach to warfare and heroism as well as their duty to their lord and country. Im sorry totally off the mark in arguing that they were a 'drain' and 'bad men' they are best remembered the men who forged a nation.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW What are you talking about their duty to lord and country!? Samurai changed allegiences all the time. I suggest you stop being incredibly biased and look at the hard evidence. Yes they were good swordsmen. Yes they were reknown for their abilities in battle and their use of deception (art of war after all). But they were mercenaries who became well established by bloodlines and heritage. Nothing more, nothing less. You are romanticizing them like the Godfather did with the mafia.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen Im not being at all bias those are the princples they stood for, that was the structure of the society. You are yourself use no hard evidence your presenting your own bias opinion and presenting it as fact. The fact is I have all-round view of the Samurai where you have a dislike and seek to tarnish them. Ive never denied bad samurai, traitors etc. But if you are talking of their princples and what they stood for, what it meant to be Samurai then loyalty was utmost. more soon.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW furthermore you cannot apply one adjective of 'good' or 'bad' to an group men are good and bad in all walks of life. What you can do is look at the general values and attitudes as well as deeds. The Samurai were ruthless warriors and ferocious politicians but they also held to and did indeed adhere to noble ideals, not always comparable to western values (which I assume yours are). And this has inspired a romanticism that does in fact reflect truly remarkable men.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@BiffaTW You call yourself a "Historian" when you cannot view history as one and instead view it as your own opinion. A true historian views a culture as a whole: not just the impressive parts without the negative. Take for example world war two. Any real historian researches Nazi Germany impartially and including both sides of the story. All you seem to do is say how I am wrong, when most historical sources indicate what I've been saying. Samurai were mighty warriors but they were not saints.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen They were often used as tools against the people and for political reasons. At the time of their presence they may have been respected, but it was often through fear. It is only looking back on them that the Japanese (and the world) can look back on their history. After all, that is why they were destroyed during the Satsuma Rebellion. However, the film grossly over exaggerates the actual rebellion, as do most people about Samurai, or Romans, or Spartans or any culture.
MrAzzameen 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen No, thats supremely ignorant indeed! Respect doesnt come from fear though im sure many did fear them. The film sought to represent the Samurai as they truly were in spirit, rather than take a 'photo' of what happend, to give an all round view of what the Samurai were and stood for. If you watch it closely it does not say they were saints only that they had alot to offer. Also The rebellion cannot be 'exagerated' it was a key part in japanese history....
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen Finally, they can be 'glossed' but at the same time the reality is more remarkable than the fiction. You are too cyncical, like I said before you under estimate human cabability. You think that a postive representation is a bad thing and it is not, nor is it unreflective, if people are admired its likely to be for a good reason. There are many perspectives but you cannot deny these men stood for what they said they did and were prepared to die for; honour.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@MrAzzameenI do not call myself a 'historian' as I am one, postgraduate, and yet you lecture me on the process, the skills! You've just described yourself taking 'culture as a whole' is exactly what you have not done. I have disagreed with you and you dislike that and attack me for unmerited reasons. I never said the Samurai were saints and I have taken an unbias view, that does not exclude admiration for good reasons. I say you're wrong because you say that my view is bias when it is not.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
@MrAzzameen you tell people to read history, many do, but your problem is you cannot see past your own dislike when reading (or rather 'if'). From this you cannot conceive of another opinion which makes your own defunct because it has only the motive of disdaining another.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
My friend Yatsuhiro's great great grandfather was apart of the Satsuma Rebellion and his great Grandfather told us that his father died in loyalty to Bushido and the emperor, to show how a true warrior dies. I honestly didnt know what it meant until I saw this movie....and I can never tell him how much of a mentor he was to me. RIP Katsuhiro Kowabyashi. Your ideals will never be forgotten.
Hinato29 6 months ago 10
@Hinato29 No way? Thank you so much for that comment! I'll not forget the name Katsuhiro Kowabyashi.
BiffaTW 6 months ago
so...... .. many.manly.....t..tiers..........
z0mbieKiller16 6 months ago
these men died with honor these storng brave warriors gave there lives to protect the relegion they loved..........just tiers so many tiers..............they all died and never got to see there freinds and famly ever again
z0mbieKiller16 6 months ago
only the cowards tell the stories. and only the brave wil never tell it.
lealezz 6 months ago
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they look like jews to me
paginipro 7 months ago
wtf give me the audio why only music IDIOT
Stoksie01 7 months ago
I think the ending would have been even more powerful if they had both killed each other when they embraced. Who agrees?
ZenonOne 7 months ago
@ZenonOne No, then we wudnt of got to see one of the best peices of film at the end with the emperor and nathan when he asks him " Tell me how he died" " I will tell you, how he lived" beautiful scene that made the emperor realise that you can have all the weapons and power in the world, but you cant forget your roots and where you came from
krisnib85 7 months ago
Gdyby każdy "Nasz" polityk TAK umierał , to kto by nami kierował??? ;)
nalyanalya 7 months ago
It's baffling how many people will watch a film and take it for fact. This charge is purely fictional! On the Director's commentary they say how they based it off The Charge of the Light Brigade during the Crimean War.
azzameentv 7 months ago
@azzameentv Its baffling how you can make such an assumption, nobodies taking it for fact and nobody has stated it as so anywhere here, they're taking it for somthing much more true than mere 'fact'.
BiffaTW 7 months ago
@azzameentv
and yet with this scene it demonstrates the honour and integrity of a culture, it may be based on a scene off a previous film, but this film shows in part who the samurai were, we are less due to there loss, if we were to learn the lessons of our past perhaps we wouldnt be so quick to repeat the same mistakes. i remember this film for my friend, dave mott, may he be remembered for the honour and courage he showed in his days as he slowly died of cancer
takamora 7 months ago
@takamora Thanks for that comment, I'm glad you liked the vid, in many ways it honours courage in all its manifestations :)
BiffaTW 7 months ago
@azzameentv I don't know if they took this from real life but I can tell you that this actually happened , I saw it in the History Channel
kragord 6 months ago
@kragord Its based off the Satsuma Rebellion in a way, when the remaining Samurai charged the Imperial lines, knowing fully well they were going to die in the end. It remains as the last rebellion the Samurai launched against the Meiji Government.
Hinato29 6 months ago
@azzameentv your words are pointless and they do not chip at this scene's greatness. keep them to yourself we are not interested.
aserta 6 months ago
I ENJOYED MASTURBATING TO THIS SCENE!
tninbredretard 7 months ago
Manly Tears were shed.
Arcanenoodle 8 months ago
@Arcanenoodle :)
BiffaTW 8 months ago
Samurai > all warriors of the world !
Mangartiste87 8 months ago
@Mangartiste87 class comment!
BiffaTW 8 months ago
the charge isnt as epic as the ones in LOTR but it is ok
josepasillas530 8 months ago
so...Tom Cruise?
17894fd 8 months ago
There is no good or bad, there is no right an wrong, there is only the moment and what we choose to do with it. weather it bring dead and sorrow or joy and happness it is not for fate or faith to deside but for us to interpret an for us to make.
mcmcmc227 8 months ago
@Fatboyswim123 You can't say that of every Samurai. You use a movie to reference your point as well. :/ That's not very solid. But if you want to go with that; then that's like saying all the SS were evil. You know, Schindler's List?
SymphonyZero 8 months ago
My hearth is Samurai and always will be (till the day I die)...long live Tokugawa Era.
Jeronimomico 8 months ago 10
@Jeronimomico same here
generalnmp 5 months ago
same here
generalnmp 5 months ago
@Fatboyswim123 Funny you should say "bad guys". Try slaughtering the natives and taking others as slaves... coming from the time of the land of the brave and land of the free, indeed.
ChainsawGutsFuck 8 months ago
@Fatboyswim123 Guy there is history and then there is the story (in German it is the same word "Geschichte") and sthe story is that brave man fought for what the believed, and this scene should be an inspiration nothing more nothing less.
Tomy0791 9 months ago
Very honorable
Lifecynical 9 months ago
Sad scene.I'd say as sad as the ending of Gladiator.Really fucked up how sad these scenes make me.The unfairness is so damn heavy.
Though I've always wondered why they didn't attack them from behind.I'm not sure of the landscape and I'm aware it they basically have to die for the sake of the movie, but they could have just flanked them, not charge into death.They could have used the gattling guns for their own advantage against the next regiments.
pulkmees 9 months ago
I cry everytime I see this scene in the movie. It breaks my heart everytime no matter how many times I watch this movie. It simply breaks my heart.
Mineretta2012 10 months ago
I CRY!!!!:'| :'|
11Fleurtje 10 months ago
ここでトムの役も死んでた方がなんとなく完ぺきな気がする。
312moco 10 months ago
@Fatboyswim123 The Satsuma rebellion, which this movie is based on, was not fought by the Samurai for the preservation of the social hierarchy that existed, it was fought to preserve the ways of Bushido, Shinto and the other ancient Japanese faiths that have existed for centuries before Western Influence began to marginalize them. Don't forget, it was the Samurai that re-installed the emperor as a political force to begin with, they wanted change as well, just not at the speed it came.
Tripyourift2 11 months ago
gothic knight > samurai
Whiteyy191 11 months ago
@Whiteyy191 lol u mad gothic knight=no skill
Elspethknighterrant 10 months ago
The samurai are the most bravest, strongest, smartest and the most loyal and calmist in all of far east Asia. They died for what they believed in. No White man can take that honour or loyalty away from them. R.I.P samurai. The will love on in the heats of all Japanese people. They might not know it but they all have samurai blood in them. And R.I.P all the Japanese men, women and children who have died In the earthquake.
spartanwarrior46 11 months ago 3
@spartanwarrior46 So your telling us that the japanese have been good people always?. Dude, In the second world war the japanese attacked pearl harbour and killed many american soldiers and destroyed the battle ships. And what did USA do about it? They sent a nuclear bomb because of the attack from the japanse or rather called: the imperial army. Now it isn't WW2 anymore and we all know that there was an accident in Japan when a earthquake came and created an tsunami - 30 metres high.
wiikotom4 10 months ago
@wiikotom4 look both sides did bad things you cant atatched evil to one side or another to one ehtinicty or another, there are execellent things about Americas diverse history just as much of Japan. But I think we can all agree that Hiroshima, Pearl Harbour and this current Tsunami are terrible because ordinary, majoritively good people were and are being harmed, and heritage squashed and tattered.
BiffaTW 10 months ago
@spartanwarrior46 you are right but white peaple can respect samurais too like i doo sorry for bad spelling
blackbelt807 5 months ago
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fuck all you haters the samurai were a peaceful people who were killed off by modern day japan, who fought till the end and if still alive in a defeated battle they would kill themselves believing they had failed to protect their people they prayed and practiced for hours and they had the guts to go against enemy who outnumbered and outgunned them and they may not of won but they died fighting to keep the ways of the old and that is something i can only dream about doing .
soldierunit113 11 months ago
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fuck all you haters the samurai were a peaceful people who were killed off by modern day japan, who fought till the end and if still alive in a defeated battle they would kill themselves believing they had failed to protect their people they prayed and practiced for hours and they had the guts to go against enemy who outnumbered and outgunned them and they may not of won but they died fighting to keep the ways of the old and that is something i can only dream about doing .
soldierunit113 11 months ago
@Fatboyswim123 wow u really are stupid mate the europeans didnt give rights to woman as well until around 1900's are u saying every nation who doesnt give woman rights is bad if u do i feel very sorry for u because Muslims were the ones that gave woman rights then followe on by the catholic race so dot go saying samurai's were bad because they wernt if the white people didnt go to japan here wouldnt have been this war
SultanTrk 11 months ago
@SultanTrk catholic ain't a race. just FYI.
gd567890dA 11 months ago
Thus, the end of an era.
Commonwealth96 11 months ago
@Fatboyswim123 samurai normally led from the front, though you are right they were elite. However the formalisation of 'rights' has never come close to the realty of spiritual truths for example the geisha and women of samurai class who wielded immense power over different periods. The Samurai were not 'bad dudes' the goodness or badness of one man is his own be he samurai or not but much of what the Samurai stood for is eternally good. Women's rights ha! Try murder for getting in the way...
BiffaTW 11 months ago 20
@BiffaTW they were elite but one untold truth is that most of them were really too poor like most peasants.literally peasants taken off their fields to serve as warriors,scribes,scholars,teachers,patrolmen,personal guards and so on.And most of them nearly had enough goku(rice measurement) to feed their families.If you havent seen a movie called twilight samurai i suggest you do.Hiroyuki Sanada who was Ujio in this one is the main character.
Elspethknighterrant 9 months ago
@Elspethknighterrant Good point. Thanks for the suggestion id love to see that!
BiffaTW 9 months ago
just to make it clear to you: shogun 2 is a few 100 years earlier
w0to 1 year ago
@w0to wow! I didnt know that thank you sooo much :/
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW
I don't know if what you say is sarcastic or not but it is really true what I say, shogun 2 is in the 16th century and there barely are guns . (you can get them when trading with europe, but the guns are the same as in medieval 2)
w0to 1 year ago
@w0to VERY sarcastic lol; This was done 'in the spirit' of the release of the news, i.e. Samurai's, this being one of the most recent and influential (in the west) Samurai films and perhaps the only reason I will be playing shogun as it made me realise Japanese history. In that sense it is extremely relevant.
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@w0to you mean somewhere around 200-300 years?
chaoswarlord565 11 months ago
@chaoswarlord565
yeah, 16th century
w0to 11 months ago
@w0to it is clear only an idiot would think it isnt for crying out loud!
BiffaTW 11 months ago
Not to be a A hole but I think it would be cooler if there was this type of movie but more historically accurate without white people, cus it kind of screws this movie a bit :) Just a bit :D:D
liesop1 1 year ago
If warfare were fought by hand and sword today then the Samurai would top the list. They are an example to everyone else who want to fight for what's right in the world. Much respect from Ireland.
DJC11757 1 year ago
You don't see honor like this anymore...loyalty is lost in history
goe5 1 year ago 34
@goe5 well put.
BiffaTW 1 year ago 2
@goe5 this never actually happened btw lol. however, something very similar did occur so i guess i agree with u
Xiphos151 1 year ago
@goe5
There's noone stopping you from a charging a gatling, if you catch my drift.
racerklasse 1 year ago
@racerklasse What are you five?
goe5 1 year ago
@racerklasse What are you five?
goe5 1 year ago
@goe5
People make sacrifices everyday that requires alot more than your so-called honor, you don't need a bloody gatlin to show some respect.
Five-year-olds dream, man up and act.
racerklasse 1 year ago
@racerklasse LoL calm down man, didn't mean to make you cry about it.
goe5 1 year ago
@goe5 Loyalty yes, is lost. But honor I don't believe, in any crisis you can find common persons that becomes true heroes.
AZURA888 11 months ago
@goe5 No it's not loyality, honor and justice can never die..they just sleep till one day righteous men will rise and fight again for honor and freedom.....
Tomy0791 9 months ago
i know they were incredibly brave, but japan really did need to move on so really the army were doing the right thing
willg19953 1 year ago
@willg19953 move on to what? Thats exactly the kind of logic that led to such slaughters; however that whole view is eronious since Japan had already and abandoned guns in the 17th century, there is no forward backward process with humanity. The sooner such values as the Samurai proport are revalued once again the better this world will be.
BiffaTW 1 year ago 3
@BiffaTW The native Americans thought the same and look what happened to them....Technology is what makes us better, but having the vaules they shared wouldn't hurt either. Kinda like the seven Army values.
Bmont8030 1 year ago
@Bmont8030 yes the native americans retained their place in the nation because they didnt role over. Technology does NOT make us better I bet you look on warfare truly as a game, ever since the influx of technology war has become impersonal and people are simply fodder for mechanised destruction. Call that better? I dont think so w're becoming reliant on it and when it goes wrong we'll be rendered useless since we are no longer independant.
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW as a soldier i go with whatever will help me stay alive and come home to my friends and family in one piece. I know what you mean though. Sometimes going back to basics solves issues too.
Bmont8030 1 year ago
@Bmont8030 good comment thanks ;)
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW lol no prob.
Bmont8030 1 year ago
@BiffaTW i concur 100 percent, very well said i need to write that down somewhere, i dont want to forget it
Xiphos151 1 year ago
@Xiphos151 thanks ;)
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW well said man. couldn't have said it better myself.
tlv156 1 year ago
Awesome movie :)
yiokerke 1 year ago
This scene moved me to tears, and it still does when I think about it or watch it. One of the best samurai films ever in my opinion
3fairrw 1 year ago
People forget that this really happend. This scene, the last samurais!! Katsumoto is not proven, but the Samurai called Saigo did the same. He fought for the emperor, got betrayed (because of the modern fighting) and the emperor turned against him. Saigo his men fought for many years, but in 1877 the last battle came, where all the last samurais were under Saigos command. The Emperor took massive casualties, but the Samurais got shot down at the end, by the guns and machine guns. Saigo died, Sad
Strategos300 1 year ago
thats what you get for not adjesting to modern war tactics :p
sirstarwars 1 year ago
love this movie!
Freesubs164 1 year ago
Beautiful scene. But this is the lesson: Katana and samurai spirit alone can't stand against rifles and bullets. That's why Japanese infantries lost to US marine on land battles. Their spirit is great but their equipment is not.
trumsu915 1 year ago
@trumsu915 The Japanese did not use katana during world war II.
redoubt5 1 year ago
This movie is just fantastic, no words... Katsumoto gives his life for his emperor, for loyalty... for HONOR
Beautiful scene, how the japanese soldiers kneel down watching that. No words for it.
Sure, man, that's Epicness...
AndresDrakulAlcaide 1 year ago 31
@AndresDrakulAlcaide yep. they bow to the samurai, not watching, but out of respect. the samurais charged the Imperial Army's position with out fear, even though the Imperial Army was using firearms. Beautiful movie. Nice story line.
MrLeeCummings 1 year ago
@AndresDrakulAlcaide Yep. And Ken Watanabe was robbed an Oscar for his performance! The best I have seen.
MOTHMAN225 10 months ago
@MOTHMAN225 I do totally agree with you
AndresDrakulAlcaide 10 months ago
I love this movie!
zakhi2008 1 year ago
good film, should do 1 for gladiator.
lambertslgorithm 1 year ago
Yyyyeeeeeaaaahhhh............................
NaziJewMason 1 year ago
@bobhawks tue but you can always find stranger things in real life, i do not think this movie is far fetched much braver deeds did happen, this is simply a true reflection of the bravery that some samurai did show. Its always hard for people in this day and age to believe as they lead such sheltered lives.
BiffaTW 1 year ago
Yay no more Empire total war! Ok so next game after shogun 2 should be Rome total war 2....
TheMrDrumz 1 year ago
epic. but futile.
rafflhan 1 year ago
@rafflhan well not so if you watch the rest of the film the samurai win!
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW
AGAINST GATLING GUNS!?!?! i think historically the revolt this movie is based around failed
rafflhan 1 year ago
@rafflhan guns are for cowards thats why your missing the point, we all die, being able to kill means little but to create a powerful spirit and make an everlasting point is the real victory.
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW
well i suppose but the samurai are lost, while the guns are not. guns take the romance out of war. and thats why im gonna play some barbarian invasion rite about... now
rafflhan 1 year ago 2
@rafflhan Nice ONE!
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW Im sorry but thats bullshit. Using a firearm does not make one a coward, no more than using a bow, spear, javelin, pike or anything else used to keep some distance between yourself and the enemy. Your comment implies that bravery has to do with the kinds of weapons used rather then the danger the individual faces. Also, during the Satsuma Rebellion, which the movie is based on, the samurai used mainly used firearms unlike in the film, so I suppose that makes them cowards in your eyes.
hwkvoltigeur 1 year ago
@hwkvoltigeur Its not 'bullshit' your being too simple minded, i never said using a firearm was cowardly those who use and go up against them have the greatest courage, but the concept of a gun is cowardly, not the individual using it. The mechanisation of warfare and loss of nobility in it is what this scene *not the satsuma rebellion* is all about, i.e -courage is greater than the machine. Japan got rid of all firearms at one point for the CONCEPT was cowardly. Please think before you comment.
BiffaTW 1 year ago
@BiffaTW This battle reflects the spirit of the samurai, they may have used rifles in the revolution but they wouldnt stand a chance in reality if they didnt. Your other point however makes the inventors of firearms cowardly, samurai used them because they had to. I will definitely not tolerate any disrespect to the way of the Bushido.
MarkhasSteelfort 1 year ago
great movie
skylpatt 1 year ago
im geussing the ending isn't happy
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