@citi0rhythm Pretty much. 6th gear can't be used as a racing application, and the ACR's massive downforce the wing produces counteracts the 5th gear. However, the 2010 has a shorter 5th gear that can be used on the ACR.
@datgoodgood22 probably true.. but in this case they're concerned about setting the fastest lap time by any means possible, not preserving the transmission lol.
Bloody good effort considering his gearbox ratios were a bit short for most of the corners. Most (factory) teams have tuned, tested and retuned before they're willing to post an official time, so this car is definitely capable of faster times!
You people have no clue.. The rev limiter is there to protect the engine. That being said.. if you take notice, he hits the limiter, then slows down. This takes much less time than shifting up a gear for 3 seconds, then having to shift back down a gear, which may also unsettle the car... This isn't Nascar.
To those that don't know, the ACR isn't very different then the normal Viper. Just some better tires, lighter wheels, and a different /stiffer tune on the suspension. engine and drive-train are the same.
@jimmyrx8 Manual is better always because it's more difficult, but a good double clutch helps for better lap times !! I think this car with better transmission can do at least 4 seconds lower time. Only at the last straight he lost so much time.
@billakos21 lol ellinas eisai kai kathomaste kai milame agglika.
nai ena diplou symlpekti einai pio grigoro...alla den to eyxaristiesai stin odigisei.
opos eixe pei o Jeremy Clarksson ta paddles einai kala na peis sto xontro filo sou ston agona Track Day "aaa eimai pio grigoros apo sena kata 0.01 deyterolapta"mono gia ayto einao kala ayta ta kibotia,alla stin odigiki eyxaristi pou na se kavloni se ena dromo me strofes mono ena klassiko xeirokinito mporei
@TheOfficialKC As i said, do some research. You clearly know nothing. Even go on Nissan's GTR page, or just look (as i said) at anyone selling a standard one second hand. Not some 3rd party dyno test. Jesus christ where the fuck do you get your apparent 'facts' from kid?
@nikebauer1993 Actually, I am the one who did the research. You didn't do any. Nissan can claim whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. Automakers are known to claim false HP numbers. All those people selling a standard GTR second hand have NEVER tested the car to see the actual power output.
3rd party tests are people who bought a GTR and DYNO TESTED it to find out the FACTS. They are test numbers of the REAL output of the car. Maybe you should look up the definition of a fact.
@TheOfficialKC Actually Nissan hand build each one, and dont give a definite number, i just used that to troll you and prove you know nothing. And it worked. Congrats bro.
@nikebauer1993 Actually the only thing you proved is you are an idiot and very, very gullible to what Nissan tells you. The Corvette ZR1 engine is hand built too, but they don' vary much in power output. Congratulations on being a complete sucker and knowing nothing about cars and facts. The FACT is, real dyno tests of the Nissan GTR have shown it to produce 480whp(575bhp).
@d4nr055 By the time he would be able to upshift he would be to the corner and have to slow down anyways. What this means is while he is not on the throttle he is LOSING speed, and thus his lap times would decrease. Then he would just have to down shift possibly slowing him even more. I guess this is why HE is setting the Nurburgring lap record, not you.
that post was really for comedic value, i also doubt this is the only reason he is setting said lap time instead of me.... he would have had alot more experience in a multitude of racing cars to get to setting a record on the Nurburgring.
@TheOfficialKC THANK YOU so many idiots in here complaining about the driver not shifting enough.this aint no honda an 8.4 ltr V10 doesnt need to 9000 rpm for torque.
@d4nr055 It's pretty obvious that shifting up in a lot of the situations where he is hitting the limiter would result in a slower lap time. Do you want him to baby the car or smash the time?
@d4nr055 You really don't understand the dynamics of road racing and that is fine but please don't put comments like this up. Other than obvious reasons you realize that is is running WELL over 100mph on a good portion of this track and CANNOT always look at a rev limiter.
@d4nr055 this driver, tom coronel is an expert driver, so if he shift up just before the corners, he would lose allot of time, because he needs to downshift again in the corners. this guy know's what he's doing. -V-
@farmerron - That's "shake" is the driver bouncing off the rev limiter. A bit better gearing for the 'ring and we'd be talking about the ACR under the 7.20-7.21 range...
this car beat the Nissan GTR, Maserati MC12, Pagani Zonda F, Ferrari Enzo, Chevy Corvette ZR1, Ferrari 458 Italia, and many other supercars. you are complaining about the wobbly gearstick why?
@Stig217 yes complain y, that wobbly stick shit is the only thing between a v10 and the trans, no computers or electonics here just metal on metal awesomness
@Stig217 Downforce is one very important thing, but the difference between normal ultra-high performance street tires and semi-slicks is massive! Around a small track they are able to buy you a couple of seconds. Around the ring, a lot more than that. Check what the 2012 Corvette ZR1 did with the same Michelin Pilot sport Cup tires. Almost 7 seconds quicker than before! No chassis upgrades and aero packages can buy you 7 seconds. Not without the tires to support all that stuff.
@LTJBLTJB I read about the Corvette ZR1, and it does not have the same tires. The tires on the ZR1 are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure (ZP) tires (Corvette exclusive), which Chevy calls "essentially street-legal versions of a racing tire." With the performance package, it seems like Chevy is copying the ACR. The ZR1 "PDE" not only has more aggressive sport cup tires, but also a "full-width racing-style spoiler".
@Stig217 The Pilot Sport Cup tires were already street-legal versions of racing slicks. Same goes for Proxes R888, Yokohama A048, Potenza RE-01R etc. What they did in the ZP was to add some run-flat technology to create more rigid sidewalls. They're a lot less different from the ones ACR wears than you think. The rubber is the same and along with an improved aero package it brought the ZR1 almost 7 seconds quicker than before. Perhaps Chevy is copying the ACR but they proved to be much faster!
@LTJBLTJB It probably is faster than the ACR maybe by 1 sec. The model in this video is a 2009 model. For 2010, they changed the gearing in the 5th gear, and improved the aero, but never had the chance to test the new model at the nurburgring. Its kinda of strange that it look chevy 3 years to beat the viper, when this generation of viper has already been dead.
@Stig217 But it is faster, maybe even by a second than the 2010 ACR which brings up my point. When the ACR was tested at the ring everybody was saying "Woh! It destroyed the ZR1, the GTR, the Enzo, the MC12, the Zonda etc etc". And then a standard ZR1 runs with the same kind of tires and cuts off almost 7 seconds! Sure there is an aero package upgrade but we 're not talking about 1 or 2 seconds. It's 7 of them!
@LTJBLTJB You're missing my point, the ACR did destroy everything that was mentioned above. It took Chevy 3 years and a performance package (spec PDE) on top of the ZR1 (not standard ZR1) to beat a time of a car that's no longer being made.
@Stig217 Imagine for instance an Enzo with these tires, and compare them to the RE-050A Potenza it wears which are the same that you get on a Mazda RX-8!!!
@LTJBLTJB No, they do not have the same tires. The Enzo has Potenza Scuderia tires, which they only made for the Ferrari at the time. You are still playing what if. The fact is that the ACR did lap the nurburgring faster than those cars.
@Stig217 You're giving too much attention to the names. Of course they are not exactly the same tires because the RX-8 tops at 135mph and the Enzo close to 220! It's called the speed rating: The ones are W and the others (Y). The tread pattern is Potenza RE-050, the rubber is RE-050 and the grip is RE-050 as well. As simple as that. And if you watch the lap you'll see the driver playing with steering wheel at almost every corner. First understeer then oversteer then both etc etc.
@Stig217 Same story with the ZR1, the first time Jim Mero drove it. Then the ACR comes and smashes everything with the rev limiter being the driver's only problem! It's not a "what if" dude! All it took the ZR1 to smash the ACR was to put similar tires. Because no upgraded aero package can buy you 7 seconds! .
@LTJBLTJB The rev limiter was not the only problem. They only did 4 laps of the nurburgring before they stopped testing. One of the engineers, Mike Shinedling, did some simulation testing which showed the ACR capable of times well into the teens. He said, "Had we shortened the gearing and had more than a day to develop the car for the Nordshcleife, we probably could have dipped below 7:20, but we're very happy with our time, nonetheless." They did shorten the gearing for the 2010 model.
@Stig217 Like I said the difference between high performance street tires and semi-slicks is massive. Semi-slicks work only when they get really warm because the rubber softens and provides double the friction of a normal tire. High performance tires have high speed ratings and stiff sidewalls for responsive steering which is what you want on a sports car or a supercar. But they work on the rain as well, they can be used in the winter too and will last for about 20000 miles.
@LTJBLTJB Tires do play a role but you are giving them too big of a role. There are other conditions that affect the times such as track conditions, experience, etc. If you read about the original run, Jim Mero stated that there were areas in which in could have gone alot faster. So, the faster lap time not only had to do with the tires, Jim Mero got more experience, and the ZR1 had improved traction control/aero. It was a combination of all of these factors which could lead to the time.
@Stig217 Perhaps you are right but I still think you underestimate the importance of tires. First of all no lap time can be so good that it can't get any better. Both the first and the second run were done in dry conditions and Jim Mero proved to be a very efficient driver. His first run was 12 seconds faster than the one posted by supposed racing driver Horst von Saurma.
@Stig217 Moreover when you're really concentrated to do the fastest possible lap, in the end you have a feeling you weren't going fast enough. Same thing happened to Top Gear's Stig the first time he drove the Koenigsegg CCX. For sure Mero thought he could have gone a lot faster. And then we can't ignore the fact that the same car with some minor chassis and aero improvements squeezed 7 seconds off its last lap time!
@LTJBLTJB Tires did help but the tires alone did not knock off the 7 seconds. Those minor adjustments do add up to the times. Motortrend tested both the 2008 and 2010 models at Laguna Seca. Both cars had the same tires and suspension settings, yet the 2010 model was over a second faster. If the ACR team went back the following year, I'm sure that there times would improve as well.
@Stig217 DID U KNOW DODGE USED RACING TIRES SAME WITH ZR1 THEY CHEATED AN NO WHERE DOES MOTORTREND MENTION THAT NISSAN FILE A COMPLIANT AND GUESS WAT THE RECORD DOESN'T STAND ANYMORE
@Stig217 The 2012 Zr1 just overtook this car... the 2012 Zr1 WITHOUT any horsepower or torque upgrade beat the ACR by 3 Seconds (7:19.6) and the 2012 Zo6 Carbon almost beat it, just .5 seconds behind at a time of 7:22.6
@Stig217 Oh and did you know the C7 Corvette that comes out in 2013 will have 800 horsepower? Just kidding, but horsepower does not mean performance on the track, it just means performance in straight. I hope GM gives the C7 a solid 500 horsepower and make it a complete race car. A car that should do 7:15 or 7:13 in Nurburgring. Also, THERE IS NO VIPER COMING NEXT YEAR! CHRYSLER IS BANKRUPT REMEMBER?! NO ONE LIKES CHRYSLER! ITS NOT BIG 3 ANYMORE BUT BIG 2 IT'S ONLY GM AND FORD NOW!
@Stig217 Ah I see.... umm is it okay if the C6 tackles the next gen Viper for a while until the C7 comes out? When LMR Corvette went to test their Corvette in a wind tunnel, they drove up right next to the clay C7 and 2014 Camaro. The C7 was 1/3rd done, and GM covered it up as much as they could. Only thing GM told them is that there's still a lot of body work to be done and a lot of problems on the body to be fixed. The car should debut sometime in 2012, and should be in production 2013
true but the viper held the record since 2008, the zr1 just took it, and there is a viper due in 2013 which will debut in late 2012, as for the BIG TWO, actually it's only the BIG ONE ((FORD)), chevy received pails from the US government several time, ford none.
so if it wasn't for the us government chevy would've been bought by a foreign country, Chrysler which is owned by Daimler which is German before the financial crisis
@5o5a1988 GM is coming back, you can see by how GM is planning for the C7 and how they invested $131 million in Bowling Green to produce the C7 Corvette. And the Corvette is GM's main car, it's their testing car. They test the Corvette with a new engine, if it's worthy, the engine will be shared by other GM performance cars. GM's back and it's paying back the feds. It WAS big 1, but I'm sure we're back to BIG 2!
@97preludeshvtec thats because the gear ratio does not match the track...if he is aproaching the corner and the engines gets the limit and he needs to change gear hes not gonna change it cause if he does he'll need to get back to the same gear before or to a lower gear so he would lose time...in fact what he does avoids him to lose time...he does not gain it but not loses either...if u know "gear ratio" u know what im talking about...
I see what you're saying in some of the situations but even when its straight without any corners coming up he's still bouncing off the limiter in between shifts
@97preludeshvtec hes a pro on the track and your at home on youtube, he set a record time and youtubers will critique, go pro and do better then just talk shit
plus: the gearbox is so bloody bad, that he does not dare to shift, as he runs the risk to end up in the wrong gear - he got fifth instead of second twice. congrats, chrysler.
@grauegefahr its a nie standar H shifter, its not bad at all. drivers that have driven it say they like it. and he shifted into 5th instead of 3rd, idiot.
@SMERGHEED paddle shifters suck because it takes away from the driving experience and joy. Nothing more fun than to drive a car on its limits which has a real manual transmission and no driving aids like traction and stability controls.
Of course you wouldnt know anything about that kind of stuff. You'll need all the help you can get ;)
@SMERGHEED LOL the only thing I know for sure is you cant form a sentence, have never been to university like you claim (or else you could string together some words) and lastly paddle shift sucks.
@nikebauer1993 good ole american torque/big ass fucking engine. You get in a car with more than 600 horse power go flat out and look at your stick. American build quality is the best kind of quality.
@DEC0Y0CT0PUS Bugatti veyron - 1000bhp, no gear stick wobble. Maserati MC12-800bhp , no gear stick wobble. Nissan GTR -593 bhp, no gear stick wobble. Need i go on?? american build quality sucks an everyone knows it
@nikebauer1993 Your just jealous because you dont have fake hood scoops on some of your cars! But who gives a shit. Bugatti couldnt turn on a dime and the Nissan GTR in comparison is slow. And the maserati......well that has to be the ugliest fucking car ive ever seen. But I like the Viper, ZR1, and the new Dodge Challenger.....so i guess im just partriotic? hahhaha. But I own a Porsche so i guess thats weird.
@nikebauer1993 None of the cars you mentioned have an actual manual shifter. They all use paddles which means the transmission is disconnected from the user and shifting is done electronically.
The gear stick wobble is happening here because the 'stick' is going straight down into the transmission. No electronics in the way, no rods, no cables... The driver will get feedback from the transmission and car. This is exactly what you want on a race car with a real stick.
@nikebauer1993 Lastly I think paddle shifts suck as far as driving experience goes. I'd take a proper manual car over paddle shift any day of the week.
PS. speaking earlier of build quality. Wasnt there a class action lawsuit involving the GTR transmission?
@mbailey314 Depends what one you buy? Team Xanavi Nismo one does, use that in JGTC, and several other tuning companies offer packages that go way over 593bhp. Research kid, do some. Then again someone who types 'lol' probably can't.
@booyahbd : Agreed but this wasn't as painful the Subaru STi lap posted here, the driver-car combo resulted in a fast lap but it wasn't pretty, but hey any of these drivers could still beat most of us in a Trabant, have a lot more fun and probably got a decent payday for their troubles, in other words: great job if you can get it...
@watson522001 no he isnt. no point changing gear for like 2 seconds just redline it, otherwise time wasted changing up just to instantly change down again. if he had a car with paddle shift, maybe worth it
man the sound of his shifting is breaking my heart. But i hope that Dodge comes out with another car that matches the Corvette. They been at it for years
So this is the fastest car to take on Nurburgring... that's street-legal in America*. Funny how the fastest car conforming to American-set standards would be from America. Meanwhile, by standards accepted everywhere except here, this is currently the 7th-fastest.
*(actually, it was beaten be the ZR1, so it's a moot point anyway)
@homesliced84 Buddy the Radical IS NOT street legal worrld wide, you cant take em on the road ANYWHERE in North America. Only a few countries where it is a legal street car.
@accountok01 8 to be exact and the top two production cars that are faster then it are 1400 pound one seater LM cars. So really it almost is fastest in it's class and for much much cheaper and you can seat 2 and use it as an everyday driver!
@homesliced84 If you are refering to the RADICALs they are not street legal world wide. You cant even use them legally in the US Canada and alot of other countries.
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12valvepower4 2 weeks ago
LFA would thrash this if it had the same tires that the Viper's wearing. admit it fanboys
tyronnezx 2 weeks ago
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19Julz76 2 months ago
is this car a four speed???
citi0rhythm 3 months ago
@citi0rhythm Pretty much. 6th gear can't be used as a racing application, and the ACR's massive downforce the wing produces counteracts the 5th gear. However, the 2010 has a shorter 5th gear that can be used on the ACR.
Refort610 2 months ago
why does the shift nob shak so much?
lightbulbisbright 4 months ago
2010 Viper 7.12
Stig217 5 months ago
the best super car ever is the zonda r
itachi1993z 6 months ago
The Dodge Viper is the best supercar ever!
SuperKing1320 6 months ago
id say regardless of him being an expert driver or not, he hits the rev limiter a crap ton the entire time. that cant be good for any engine..
datgoodgood22 7 months ago
@datgoodgood22 The rev limiter is there to prevent someone from over reving, and hurting the motor jackass.
mopar7redneck 6 months ago
@datgoodgood22 probably true.. but in this case they're concerned about setting the fastest lap time by any means possible, not preserving the transmission lol.
snowboard2000n 3 months ago
My eyes enjoyed this all along with my left ear
SlimPhish 7 months ago
This car would be even faster if they fix the bloody gear ratios/put in a better gearbox e.g. double clutch or something
OriginalAtomicSheep 8 months ago
poor car holding the rev limiter on the top of second just about every time :(
NoSleepRacing 8 months ago
Bloody good effort considering his gearbox ratios were a bit short for most of the corners. Most (factory) teams have tuned, tested and retuned before they're willing to post an official time, so this car is definitely capable of faster times!
CyberfitAus 9 months ago
You people have no clue.. The rev limiter is there to protect the engine. That being said.. if you take notice, he hits the limiter, then slows down. This takes much less time than shifting up a gear for 3 seconds, then having to shift back down a gear, which may also unsettle the car... This isn't Nascar.
jessejhockey 9 months ago 2
@jessejhockey I know what your saying but that still doesnt get past the fact that nearly every time he is coming out of 2nd he hits the limiter
flyman1212 9 months ago
Look Mom no paddle shift.
ijets 9 months ago
monster power the engine sounds scary
Barca10Juve 10 months ago
By 4:45 I have already crashed 5 times in GT5
CTSV4MEE 10 months ago 7
n which car beats the corvette zr1 record?
ya thats rite the VIPER!
i hope al u corvette fcks that say vipersux see this.
:P
jonm107 10 months ago
@jonm107 Stop hating on Corvettes, it's an American car and is one of the best. Hate on Japanese and European over priced cars.
ZR1Terror 10 months ago
ohh sweet jesus, people you are all fucking retarded.
my comment was a JOKE....A JOKE FOR FUCKS SAKE.
its a RECORD SETTING LAP of course the guy knows what he is doing i was just being funny you FUCKING RETARDS
d4nr055 10 months ago
To those that don't know, the ACR isn't very different then the normal Viper. Just some better tires, lighter wheels, and a different /stiffer tune on the suspension. engine and drive-train are the same.
djsinatra100 11 months ago
@djsinatra100 The giant spoiler on the ACR creating 1000lbs of down force is something the regular model doesn't have either.
b4igetu 10 months ago
Και εμένα το χειροκίνητο μ'αρέσει , δεν το βαριέσαι εύκολα :P αλλά δεν θα έλεγα όχι και σε ένα super car με διπλό συμπλέκτη :):)
billakos21 11 months ago
@billakos21 εμενα θα μου αρεσε ολα τα supercar να σου δινουν επιλογη αυτοματο η χειροκινητο
η Ferrari με το ζορι σου βαζει αυτοματο,και ειναι πολυ κριμα που δεν σε αφηνει να παρεις ενα χειροκινητο..
αντιθεται με Aston Martin kai Porsche που σου δινουν την επιλογη,
αυτοματο για γυναικες και για αγωνες,και χειροκινητο να το ευχαριστιεσαι στο σκισιμο.
jimmyrx8 11 months ago
He lost so much time with this awful transmission !!
billakos21 11 months ago
@billakos21 ιt's batter than stupid automatic or paddles.
jimmyrx8 11 months ago
@jimmyrx8 Manual is better always because it's more difficult, but a good double clutch helps for better lap times !! I think this car with better transmission can do at least 4 seconds lower time. Only at the last straight he lost so much time.
billakos21 11 months ago
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@billakos21 lol ellinas eisai kai kathomaste kai milame agglika.
nai ena diplou symlpekti einai pio grigoro...alla den to eyxaristiesai stin odigisei.
opos eixe pei o Jeremy Clarksson ta paddles einai kala na peis sto xontro filo sou ston agona Track Day "aaa eimai pio grigoros apo sena kata 0.01 deyterolapta"mono gia ayto einao kala ayta ta kibotia,alla stin odigiki eyxaristi pou na se kavloni se ena dromo me strofes mono ena klassiko xeirokinito mporei
jimmyrx8 11 months ago
Better shifting and I bet you could drop some seconds off this time.
two66mhz 11 months ago
I bet I could find a black guy who could run round there quicker than the Viper!
nikebauer1993 11 months ago
Actually it has 493bhp. Look on Nissan's website, or anywhere selling one second hand. Idiot. Research, do some kid.
nikebauer1993 11 months ago
@nikebauer1993 Actually you do some research. 3rd party dyno tests have gotten 480 WHP, that translates to about 575bhp.
TheOfficialKC 11 months ago
@TheOfficialKC As i said, do some research. You clearly know nothing. Even go on Nissan's GTR page, or just look (as i said) at anyone selling a standard one second hand. Not some 3rd party dyno test. Jesus christ where the fuck do you get your apparent 'facts' from kid?
nikebauer1993 11 months ago
@nikebauer1993 Actually, I am the one who did the research. You didn't do any. Nissan can claim whatever they want, but it doesn't make it true. Automakers are known to claim false HP numbers. All those people selling a standard GTR second hand have NEVER tested the car to see the actual power output.
3rd party tests are people who bought a GTR and DYNO TESTED it to find out the FACTS. They are test numbers of the REAL output of the car. Maybe you should look up the definition of a fact.
TheOfficialKC 11 months ago
@TheOfficialKC Actually Nissan hand build each one, and dont give a definite number, i just used that to troll you and prove you know nothing. And it worked. Congrats bro.
nikebauer1993 11 months ago
@nikebauer1993 Actually the only thing you proved is you are an idiot and very, very gullible to what Nissan tells you. The Corvette ZR1 engine is hand built too, but they don' vary much in power output. Congratulations on being a complete sucker and knowing nothing about cars and facts. The FACT is, real dyno tests of the Nissan GTR have shown it to produce 480whp(575bhp).
TheOfficialKC 11 months ago
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d4nr055 1 year ago 28
@d4nr055 he would have had catastrophic understeer if he did, ok maybe not catastrophic but catastrophic for his lap time
Ichorid55 11 months ago
@d4nr055 By the time he would be able to upshift he would be to the corner and have to slow down anyways. What this means is while he is not on the throttle he is LOSING speed, and thus his lap times would decrease. Then he would just have to down shift possibly slowing him even more. I guess this is why HE is setting the Nurburgring lap record, not you.
TheOfficialKC 11 months ago
@TheOfficialKC
that post was really for comedic value, i also doubt this is the only reason he is setting said lap time instead of me.... he would have had alot more experience in a multitude of racing cars to get to setting a record on the Nurburgring.
its youtube man, lighten up.....
d4nr055 11 months ago
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tingokuman 11 months ago
@TheOfficialKC THANK YOU so many idiots in here complaining about the driver not shifting enough.this aint no honda an 8.4 ltr V10 doesnt need to 9000 rpm for torque.
tingokuman 11 months ago
@tingokuman
I know man, people are so fuckin stupid.
dobadriver 11 months ago
@d4nr055 It's pretty obvious that shifting up in a lot of the situations where he is hitting the limiter would result in a slower lap time. Do you want him to baby the car or smash the time?
GreaterThanGravity 10 months ago
@d4nr055 You really don't understand the dynamics of road racing and that is fine but please don't put comments like this up. Other than obvious reasons you realize that is is running WELL over 100mph on a good portion of this track and CANNOT always look at a rev limiter.
goliath1301 10 months ago
@d4nr055 this driver, tom coronel is an expert driver, so if he shift up just before the corners, he would lose allot of time, because he needs to downshift again in the corners. this guy know's what he's doing. -V-
FullMetalOne 9 months ago 12
@FullMetalOne It may gives a better result in some corners, probably. IMHO the viper ACR has max torque during the mid-ranged rev.
blueblood2001 5 months ago
@d4nr055 Why would you shift up,into a corner.....
meccaandsoul 7 months ago
OH FACK 2:02
Einhander49 1 year ago
That shaking gearshift is either a rev limiter, (not sure if chrysler used it on that model) or if it is just plain valve float
farmerron 1 year ago
@farmerron - That's "shake" is the driver bouncing off the rev limiter. A bit better gearing for the 'ring and we'd be talking about the ACR under the 7.20-7.21 range...
M6Need4Speed 1 year ago
this car beat the Nissan GTR, Maserati MC12, Pagani Zonda F, Ferrari Enzo, Chevy Corvette ZR1, Ferrari 458 Italia, and many other supercars. you are complaining about the wobbly gearstick why?
Stig217 1 year ago 32
@Stig217 THEY DONT HAVE A DRIVERS LICENSE YET.Gran turismo makes people think they can acually beat pro drivers that have a real superlicense.
tingokuman 11 months ago
@Stig217 yes complain y, that wobbly stick shit is the only thing between a v10 and the trans, no computers or electonics here just metal on metal awesomness
fretspider420 9 months ago
@Stig217 It's a lot easier than it seems to beat these cars on semi-slicks...
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB Even if they did have the same tires, they still don't have as much downforce as the ACR.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 Downforce is one very important thing, but the difference between normal ultra-high performance street tires and semi-slicks is massive! Around a small track they are able to buy you a couple of seconds. Around the ring, a lot more than that. Check what the 2012 Corvette ZR1 did with the same Michelin Pilot sport Cup tires. Almost 7 seconds quicker than before! No chassis upgrades and aero packages can buy you 7 seconds. Not without the tires to support all that stuff.
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB I read about the Corvette ZR1, and it does not have the same tires. The tires on the ZR1 are Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Zero Pressure (ZP) tires (Corvette exclusive), which Chevy calls "essentially street-legal versions of a racing tire." With the performance package, it seems like Chevy is copying the ACR. The ZR1 "PDE" not only has more aggressive sport cup tires, but also a "full-width racing-style spoiler".
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 The Pilot Sport Cup tires were already street-legal versions of racing slicks. Same goes for Proxes R888, Yokohama A048, Potenza RE-01R etc. What they did in the ZP was to add some run-flat technology to create more rigid sidewalls. They're a lot less different from the ones ACR wears than you think. The rubber is the same and along with an improved aero package it brought the ZR1 almost 7 seconds quicker than before. Perhaps Chevy is copying the ACR but they proved to be much faster!
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB It probably is faster than the ACR maybe by 1 sec. The model in this video is a 2009 model. For 2010, they changed the gearing in the 5th gear, and improved the aero, but never had the chance to test the new model at the nurburgring. Its kinda of strange that it look chevy 3 years to beat the viper, when this generation of viper has already been dead.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 But it is faster, maybe even by a second than the 2010 ACR which brings up my point. When the ACR was tested at the ring everybody was saying "Woh! It destroyed the ZR1, the GTR, the Enzo, the MC12, the Zonda etc etc". And then a standard ZR1 runs with the same kind of tires and cuts off almost 7 seconds! Sure there is an aero package upgrade but we 're not talking about 1 or 2 seconds. It's 7 of them!
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB You're missing my point, the ACR did destroy everything that was mentioned above. It took Chevy 3 years and a performance package (spec PDE) on top of the ZR1 (not standard ZR1) to beat a time of a car that's no longer being made.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 Imagine for instance an Enzo with these tires, and compare them to the RE-050A Potenza it wears which are the same that you get on a Mazda RX-8!!!
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB No, they do not have the same tires. The Enzo has Potenza Scuderia tires, which they only made for the Ferrari at the time. You are still playing what if. The fact is that the ACR did lap the nurburgring faster than those cars.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 You're giving too much attention to the names. Of course they are not exactly the same tires because the RX-8 tops at 135mph and the Enzo close to 220! It's called the speed rating: The ones are W and the others (Y). The tread pattern is Potenza RE-050, the rubber is RE-050 and the grip is RE-050 as well. As simple as that. And if you watch the lap you'll see the driver playing with steering wheel at almost every corner. First understeer then oversteer then both etc etc.
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@Stig217 Same story with the ZR1, the first time Jim Mero drove it. Then the ACR comes and smashes everything with the rev limiter being the driver's only problem! It's not a "what if" dude! All it took the ZR1 to smash the ACR was to put similar tires. Because no upgraded aero package can buy you 7 seconds! .
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB The rev limiter was not the only problem. They only did 4 laps of the nurburgring before they stopped testing. One of the engineers, Mike Shinedling, did some simulation testing which showed the ACR capable of times well into the teens. He said, "Had we shortened the gearing and had more than a day to develop the car for the Nordshcleife, we probably could have dipped below 7:20, but we're very happy with our time, nonetheless." They did shorten the gearing for the 2010 model.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 Like I said the difference between high performance street tires and semi-slicks is massive. Semi-slicks work only when they get really warm because the rubber softens and provides double the friction of a normal tire. High performance tires have high speed ratings and stiff sidewalls for responsive steering which is what you want on a sports car or a supercar. But they work on the rain as well, they can be used in the winter too and will last for about 20000 miles.
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB Tires do play a role but you are giving them too big of a role. There are other conditions that affect the times such as track conditions, experience, etc. If you read about the original run, Jim Mero stated that there were areas in which in could have gone alot faster. So, the faster lap time not only had to do with the tires, Jim Mero got more experience, and the ZR1 had improved traction control/aero. It was a combination of all of these factors which could lead to the time.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 So you believe that the 2010 ACR could do better than the ZR1?
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB With proper testing and tuning, it should be very comparable to the ZR1.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 Perhaps you are right but I still think you underestimate the importance of tires. First of all no lap time can be so good that it can't get any better. Both the first and the second run were done in dry conditions and Jim Mero proved to be a very efficient driver. His first run was 12 seconds faster than the one posted by supposed racing driver Horst von Saurma.
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@Stig217 Moreover when you're really concentrated to do the fastest possible lap, in the end you have a feeling you weren't going fast enough. Same thing happened to Top Gear's Stig the first time he drove the Koenigsegg CCX. For sure Mero thought he could have gone a lot faster. And then we can't ignore the fact that the same car with some minor chassis and aero improvements squeezed 7 seconds off its last lap time!
LTJBLTJB 9 months ago
@LTJBLTJB Tires did help but the tires alone did not knock off the 7 seconds. Those minor adjustments do add up to the times. Motortrend tested both the 2008 and 2010 models at Laguna Seca. Both cars had the same tires and suspension settings, yet the 2010 model was over a second faster. If the ACR team went back the following year, I'm sure that there times would improve as well.
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 ZR1.. ZEEE ARRR 1111
CokeWTF 9 months ago
@CokeWTF ACR....AYYY CEEE ARRR
Stig217 9 months ago
@Stig217 ZR1 - 7;19 ACR - 7;22 :D
CokeWTF 9 months ago
@Stig217 I dont mean to rain on your parade, but the ZR-1 posted a time of 7:19
shanmohta 8 months ago
@Stig217 DID U KNOW DODGE USED RACING TIRES SAME WITH ZR1 THEY CHEATED AN NO WHERE DOES MOTORTREND MENTION THAT NISSAN FILE A COMPLIANT AND GUESS WAT THE RECORD DOESN'T STAND ANYMORE
dojOdRiFTeR 7 months ago
@Stig217 The 2012 Zr1 just overtook this car... the 2012 Zr1 WITHOUT any horsepower or torque upgrade beat the ACR by 3 Seconds (7:19.6) and the 2012 Zo6 Carbon almost beat it, just .5 seconds behind at a time of 7:22.6
TheHm3 7 months ago
@TheHm3 You know that this video was posted nearly 3 years ago right? Plus, the new Viper, which comes out next year, has 700 hp.
Stig217 7 months ago
@Stig217 Oh and did you know the C7 Corvette that comes out in 2013 will have 800 horsepower? Just kidding, but horsepower does not mean performance on the track, it just means performance in straight. I hope GM gives the C7 a solid 500 horsepower and make it a complete race car. A car that should do 7:15 or 7:13 in Nurburgring. Also, THERE IS NO VIPER COMING NEXT YEAR! CHRYSLER IS BANKRUPT REMEMBER?! NO ONE LIKES CHRYSLER! ITS NOT BIG 3 ANYMORE BUT BIG 2 IT'S ONLY GM AND FORD NOW!
TheHm3 7 months ago
@TheHm3 Yes, there is a viper coming out next year. The 2013 viper will be released as a 2012 model.
Stig217 7 months ago
@Stig217 Ah I see.... umm is it okay if the C6 tackles the next gen Viper for a while until the C7 comes out? When LMR Corvette went to test their Corvette in a wind tunnel, they drove up right next to the clay C7 and 2014 Camaro. The C7 was 1/3rd done, and GM covered it up as much as they could. Only thing GM told them is that there's still a lot of body work to be done and a lot of problems on the body to be fixed. The car should debut sometime in 2012, and should be in production 2013
TheHm3 7 months ago
@TheHm3
true but the viper held the record since 2008, the zr1 just took it, and there is a viper due in 2013 which will debut in late 2012, as for the BIG TWO, actually it's only the BIG ONE ((FORD)), chevy received pails from the US government several time, ford none.
so if it wasn't for the us government chevy would've been bought by a foreign country, Chrysler which is owned by Daimler which is German before the financial crisis
5o5a1988 7 months ago
@5o5a1988 GM is coming back, you can see by how GM is planning for the C7 and how they invested $131 million in Bowling Green to produce the C7 Corvette. And the Corvette is GM's main car, it's their testing car. They test the Corvette with a new engine, if it's worthy, the engine will be shared by other GM performance cars. GM's back and it's paying back the feds. It WAS big 1, but I'm sure we're back to BIG 2!
TheHm3 7 months ago
i would love to have the datas speed rev g force brakes etc...and speed
fgl7777 1 year ago
he is a pro-driver so unless you are one too....on his behalf shut up!
gtrcarela 1 year ago
He drove very well the majority of the time. However shouldnt really be hitting the limiter before changing up gears on straights.
jandywa 1 year ago
@jandywa He has the fastest time on that track. Ever. You just watched it. WTF are you talking about?
tspek1 1 year ago
@tspek1 no he hasn't it was beaten by miles by the zonda r 6.45 something
Errorbgkn1 1 year ago
@Errorbgkn1
Zondar R isn't street legal - Viper ACR is.
oregonistoowet 1 year ago
@tspek1 No he doesn't. nowhere near the fastest time on the nurburgring.
jandywa 9 months ago
and shifted into 5th when he should have shifted into 3rd at 2:02
bagofsuck22 1 year ago
@bagofsuck22 LOL I love youtubers, this guy is a pro on track and youre at home on youtube, fail
youngdickinsonharris 1 year ago
@youngdickinsonharris yeah well soo are you asshoe all i was saying is that he could've been quicker
bagofsuck22 1 year ago
@bagofsuck22 HE HAS THE RECORD, WTF!
youngdickinsonharris 1 year ago
Probably would have been faster if the driver didn't bounce off the limiter in between every shift.
97preludeshvtec 1 year ago
@97preludeshvtec thats because the gear ratio does not match the track...if he is aproaching the corner and the engines gets the limit and he needs to change gear hes not gonna change it cause if he does he'll need to get back to the same gear before or to a lower gear so he would lose time...in fact what he does avoids him to lose time...he does not gain it but not loses either...if u know "gear ratio" u know what im talking about...
bagredositio 1 year ago
@bagredositio
I see what you're saying in some of the situations but even when its straight without any corners coming up he's still bouncing off the limiter in between shifts
97preludeshvtec 1 year ago
@97preludeshvtec hes a pro on the track and your at home on youtube, he set a record time and youtubers will critique, go pro and do better then just talk shit
youngdickinsonharris 1 year ago
@bagredositio
plus: the gearbox is so bloody bad, that he does not dare to shift, as he runs the risk to end up in the wrong gear - he got fifth instead of second twice. congrats, chrysler.
grauegefahr 1 year ago
@grauegefahr its a nie standar H shifter, its not bad at all. drivers that have driven it say they like it. and he shifted into 5th instead of 3rd, idiot.
AkBeringer7 1 year ago
@grauegefahr you're right congrats to Chrysler for beating a TON of supercars and getting a 7:22 with an American car :) GF EUROS
07Z06ss 11 months ago
@SMERGHEED Maybe, but it works for me :)
svtcontour 1 year ago
@SMERGHEED Its very well done. I happen to like cranberries and maple syrup. LOL.
svtcontour 1 year ago
@SMERGHEED LOL I never said Canada even produced cars :) I have infact owned American cars and loved them and still do.
svtcontour 1 year ago
@SMERGHEED and that changes nothing. Great cars as is the Viper ACR.
svtcontour 1 year ago
@SMERGHEED LOL right.
Tiff Needell chose the Z06 as the best fast car of the year.
Jeremy Clarkson chose the ZR1 as the car of the year.
Haha British shows choose american cars as cars of the year.
svtcontour 1 year ago
@SMERGHEED paddle shifters suck because it takes away from the driving experience and joy. Nothing more fun than to drive a car on its limits which has a real manual transmission and no driving aids like traction and stability controls.
Of course you wouldnt know anything about that kind of stuff. You'll need all the help you can get ;)
svtcontour 1 year ago
@SMERGHEED LOL the only thing I know for sure is you cant form a sentence, have never been to university like you claim (or else you could string together some words) and lastly paddle shift sucks.
svtcontour 1 year ago
@SMERGHEED My cars have all had manual gearboxes. No automatic or paddleshift for me.
svtcontour 1 year ago
it grunts and yells the whole time awesome!
eadad 1 year ago
Damn this driver sucks! he hits the red zone when breaking or on corners.
carstopguy 1 year ago
7th fastest posted time. 6:48 is record. this shmo coulda beat it if he knew how to drive.
davidkzoo 1 year ago
Look at the wobble on the gear stick! Good old american build quality!
nikebauer1993 1 year ago
@nikebauer1993 good ole american torque/big ass fucking engine. You get in a car with more than 600 horse power go flat out and look at your stick. American build quality is the best kind of quality.
DEC0Y0CT0PUS 1 year ago
@DEC0Y0CT0PUS Bugatti veyron - 1000bhp, no gear stick wobble. Maserati MC12-800bhp , no gear stick wobble. Nissan GTR -593 bhp, no gear stick wobble. Need i go on?? american build quality sucks an everyone knows it
nikebauer1993 1 year ago
@nikebauer1993 Your just jealous because you dont have fake hood scoops on some of your cars! But who gives a shit. Bugatti couldnt turn on a dime and the Nissan GTR in comparison is slow. And the maserati......well that has to be the ugliest fucking car ive ever seen. But I like the Viper, ZR1, and the new Dodge Challenger.....so i guess im just partriotic? hahhaha. But I own a Porsche so i guess thats weird.
DEC0Y0CT0PUS 1 year ago
@nikebauer1993 None of the cars you mentioned have an actual manual shifter. They all use paddles which means the transmission is disconnected from the user and shifting is done electronically.
The gear stick wobble is happening here because the 'stick' is going straight down into the transmission. No electronics in the way, no rods, no cables... The driver will get feedback from the transmission and car. This is exactly what you want on a race car with a real stick.
svtcontour 1 year ago
@nikebauer1993 Lastly I think paddle shifts suck as far as driving experience goes. I'd take a proper manual car over paddle shift any day of the week.
PS. speaking earlier of build quality. Wasnt there a class action lawsuit involving the GTR transmission?
svtcontour 1 year ago
@nikebauer1993 lol 593BHP in Nissan GTR. Idiot.
mbailey314 11 months ago
@mbailey314 Depends what one you buy? Team Xanavi Nismo one does, use that in JGTC, and several other tuning companies offer packages that go way over 593bhp. Research kid, do some. Then again someone who types 'lol' probably can't.
nikebauer1993 11 months ago
They should make another run at this, only with a good driver. It ran one helluva time but this is painful to watch!
booyahbd 1 year ago
@booyahbd : Agreed but this wasn't as painful the Subaru STi lap posted here, the driver-car combo resulted in a fast lap but it wasn't pretty, but hey any of these drivers could still beat most of us in a Trabant, have a lot more fun and probably got a decent payday for their troubles, in other words: great job if you can get it...
manxcafe 1 year ago
wrong gear at 6.28
watson522001 1 year ago
@watson522001 no he isnt. no point changing gear for like 2 seconds just redline it, otherwise time wasted changing up just to instantly change down again. if he had a car with paddle shift, maybe worth it
flemsoldier4565 1 year ago
@watson522001 the first misshift is @2:02.
SkywalkerTibor 1 year ago
@SkywalkerTibor thats the one i saw
eadad 1 year ago
@eadad 2nd one at 6:30
SkywalkerTibor 1 year ago
This record will fall the INSTANT someone has the guts to drive a McLaren F1 on the limit.
starlionblue 1 year ago
@starlionblue lol yeah. That car has so much potential wasted by owners who would rather see them in a museum rather than on the track.
RetroGamerr1991 1 year ago
great driver...
scecini1 1 year ago
american trash
vKiLLBoTv 1 year ago
@vKiLLBoTv you mad?
iPROFITDON 1 year ago
@vKiLLBoTv
Ahh, little boy is mad America owned his little ring.
Hardwyre 1 year ago
That must of been The stig behind the wheel
ImmortalHardOn 1 year ago
He really loves bouncing on the limiter!
Madacko 1 year ago
@Madacko
He has more important things to pay attention to than his tach.
Hardwyre 1 year ago
im going to go round the nurburg ring one day
darkrx777 1 year ago
lol I'd pay to watch a Porche try and beat this ACR around any track.
branden1979 1 year ago
@branden1979 gt2 rs. 7:18 ring time. Win
metamuse42 1 year ago
@metamuse42 Since when? theres Absolutley No proof what so ever, Claiming is just Too easy..
JellyBird12 1 year ago
man the sound of his shifting is breaking my heart. But i hope that Dodge comes out with another car that matches the Corvette. They been at it for years
orimabu 1 year ago
@orimabu this actually beat the zr1 around this track. I think chevy needs to come out with a V10. then we'd have a war on our hands.....
InfernoX1994 1 year ago
hahaha the fastest car round nurburing is american the british and germans and italians can suck r american balls
motomidget11 1 year ago
a viper rattling like a viper!
MrObusk 1 year ago
@MrObusk vipers rattle? i thought that was a rattle snake xD
badassmastermax 1 year ago
@badassmastermax : lol my bad. a viper that rattles like a rattle snake then
MrObusk 1 year ago
corvette zr1's time is 7:26.4 an amazing time but this viper acr just a pure bread race car both cars are incredible and both cars are american
atgskater14 1 year ago
@atgskater14 The Zr1 ran a 7:22 after the 7:26. The viper is still like .4 of a second faster though. Go America lol.
Snortemup 1 year ago
@Snortemup
hell yeah go america
atgskater14 1 year ago
I don't understand why he keeps on letting it over rev. I gaurantee that he could have saved alot of time if he had shifted all those times.
supratt2jzgte 1 year ago
ALGUIEN ME EXPLICA PORQUE EN LA RECTA FINAL EL TIO NO PASA DE CUARTA??
tipicamente7 1 year ago
That driver right there is the next Stefan Roser!
autofusionX 1 year ago
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autofusionX 1 year ago
Wow, I don't think the driver shifted into any gear higher than fourth
mcctas119 1 year ago
@mcctas119 Yeah, I figured for sure he would've on main straight. You could definitely tell the car wanted to, though lol
skaking04 1 year ago
So this is the fastest car to take on Nurburgring... that's street-legal in America*. Funny how the fastest car conforming to American-set standards would be from America. Meanwhile, by standards accepted everywhere except here, this is currently the 7th-fastest.
*(actually, it was beaten be the ZR1, so it's a moot point anyway)
7j8i9m 1 year ago
@bigjonnyjon NOT TRUE YOU FOREIGN IDIOT. THE RADICAL SR8 LM IS THE FASTEST PRODUCTION CAR EVER TO HIT THE NURBURGRING. 6.48 TO 6.58 THATS TEN SECONDS
homesliced84 1 year ago
@homesliced84 Buddy the Radical IS NOT street legal worrld wide, you cant take em on the road ANYWHERE in North America. Only a few countries where it is a legal street car.
accountok01 1 year ago
@bigjonnyjon LOL the XX is niot actually a record holder just for its class. There are numerous Track cars with better times
accountok01 1 year ago
@accountok01 8 to be exact and the top two production cars that are faster then it are 1400 pound one seater LM cars. So really it almost is fastest in it's class and for much much cheaper and you can seat 2 and use it as an everyday driver!
homesliced84 1 year ago
@homesliced84 If you are refering to the RADICALs they are not street legal world wide. You cant even use them legally in the US Canada and alot of other countries.
accountok01 1 year ago