Sargon's 1 uncle dwells in a mountain and that officially makes Sargon a Gutian and then you start this BS about his name being Shire Jwan?!... Wow.. just wow..
He dwelt in the Mountain so it makes him a GUTIAN hahahaa... You know I dwelt in a Mountain once.. I guess I am a Gutian XD All Mountains, in this earth is Gutian.
@TheObserversTV we talk in region well known who was dwelt in that time , sargon himself said his mother was lowly and he didn't know brather of his father and he dwelt in mountian , that so clear he was gutian , and his real name was (shira jwan( yunghth lion ,to nowadayds the kurdish famil named him son shira or sherwan or shirko
@goran21715 No that does not make him Gutian, because Sargon was born in MESOPOTAMIA, an the only source for La'ibum states he was an AKKADIAN MAN, no sources from his mother and no sources from his uncle (I guess because it says Mountain he is Gutian haha), Sargon did not call himself or anyone else as a Gutian
and shire jwan? ..... shire jwan.. Sources please... Because According to ARCHAEOLOGY / ASSYRIOLOGY, his title was Sharu Kinu (The True King)
Mittani was Invaders, they invaded North Mesopotamia (Nineveh / Arbil Gasur) about 1500 BC
Ok, so 2000 years from now you will say Germans are Aryans too, right? It is funny how you think Tel Hassuna, a Mesopotamian Tribe is Aryan hahaha. The name of the tribe is NOT even an Aryan name, it is an Assyrian name. I dont remember the last time Kurds use term TEL for HILL, but Assyrians till today use Tell for Hill for the name of their land!
According to this, Hurrians or Aryan related people (Like Gutians) had NO cities in Mesopotamia, the Hurrian city was only Urkish SYRIA around 2700 BC!! ... It wasn't until 2400 BC, the Gutians moved out from Iran and went towards Arapkha!
According to Nahum 2:18 the Assyrians did NOT go extinct!!: O king of Assyria, your shepherds slumber; your nobles lie down to rest. YOUR PEOPLE are scattered on the MOUNTAINS with no one to gather them!
@TheObserversTV IDOT even Sargon was Guti his father was dwelt of mountian , you real sick unable to understand,babylion was if far south of hurrian city (KA-DIN-GIR-RA) WHEN STUDIES SUMER &GEOGRAPHIC discription in four diriction Elam & lullubi in east & hurrian in north there wqeren't mintion of Akkadin and ASSyrian,the Medes combine tribes od Zagros -turus in kingdom which eas hamadan take as capital,all mountian under Medes rule,in lslam era in 7th ADcentury they defeat ti mountian region ,
@TheObserversTV idiot sargon's real name was (shira jwamh mean in kurdish (youth lion) and he said the mighty,king .king of akkad am l,its cleare then he said my mother was lowly(prostitute, mt father l don't know that mean he bastard & he said the brother of my father dwelt in mountian,that meanhis uncle was Guti dwelt gutian in 3rd millennium
@goran21715 I know Sargon did not know his his Father, his father was believed to have been La'ibum and was of Akkad (Also according to Sumerian Sources), and stop making shit up shira jwamh was not his name, it was Sharu Kinu in North Akkadian dialect, and in Babylonian Dialect it was Sharu Gani-Sharali, which means the The True King or The King is Legitimate" I dont know where you get your history from (probably from KRG Propaganda)
@TheObserversTV he said my mother lowly and my father l didn't know but l know brather of my father what mean that , he was bastard his legitimate father was Guti read well his circumstance 1. Sargon, the mighty king, king of Akkadê am I,
2. My mother was lowly; my father I did not know;
3. The brother of my father dwelt in the mountain.
4. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the bank of the Purattu [Euphrates],
5. My lowly mother conceived me, in secret she brought me forth.
@goran21715 La'ibum was an Akkadian man. He is mentioned once in the Sumerian "Sargon legend" as the father of Sargon of Akkad. No details about his life or historicity are known. He was presumably an Akkadian. A neo-Assyrian text asserts that Sargon was from Azupiranu.
@TheObserversTV how he wasn't know his father and say his name was la'ibum . lol he was in time of city state , there was little peoples on sumer. in that time the sumer between tiger and euphrat and east of tiger was Gutian , actually in 3rd millennion Gutian was ddle Euphrat besid sumerian , off cpursethe dwelt of mountian in that early time was GUTIAN
@TheObserversTV lol they know se on google l find it in searching on kadian on google(Sargon (SAHR gawn) its kurdish name meaning(youth lion ) both name is kurdish name.sargon,the constituted or declared king) has an unknown history before 3000 B.C.in some circles and no less than 2300 B.C in other circles. It is known for sure that he ruled for 61years)
@TheObserversTV We have also the mitanni language, which is a very archaic indo-iranian language(older and more archaic than old avestan and rigvedic and which according to indo-european linguists forms a fifth independant indo-iranian group-the other 4 branches being eastern iranian,western iranian,dardic and indic).
So we have:
-oldest swastika in a site near Samarra in central Iraq(Hassuna culture)
@TheObserversTV we well know in our featuer , the more beautifull than ASSyrian negro nomadic , then they extinct to pompare with im , we must go yo museum to find fossilized ASSyrian lol
@TheObserversTV idiot you coward go to Sherqat (ashur)& babylion, you are petty person you psychical ill,live in fancy you merely negro bedouin kurdistan unmarked dateness and its just time to sweeping you to aranioan pinensola there you can bark as you like , how long you live out , l ask if you seen kurdistan or not,advice you to learn from jewish to return to your homeland in arabian pinensols as your bedouin ancestor come , there are plenty of Oil ,hahaha and they your cousin araboooo
ORIGINS: Speakers of the Akkadian language seem to have already been present in Mesopotamia at the dawn of the historical period, and soon achieved preeminence with the first Dynasty of Kish and numerous localities to the north of Sumer, where rulers with Akkadian names had already established themselves by the 3rd millennium BC.
There is NO evidence that a group of people called "Akkadians came from Arabia" In fact, each day goes by more and more people know it is a FALSE CLAIM.
@TheObserversTV you drean if that right why they known as sumerian,lol sumer non semite or endo-european they exposed to the vaded of semite (akkadian) they invasion in north babylion Sumer developed into a number of independent citystates that carried on almost continual warfare among themselves until united by Lugalzaggisi2350 B.C.A decade later they were conquered by the Akkadians,a Semitic people to the north,led by their king Sargon.The Akkadian fell to the Guti,a tribe about 200years later
@TheObserversTV Somewhere about 5000 B.C. the Semite hordes began their migration from the deserts of Arabia. Some of the wanderers descended into Sumer, coming apparently less as conquerors than as visitors, attracted by this civilization so superior to their own, admirers and imitators of the Sumerian culture. By degrees these Semite invaders grew to be an important force in every city, and at length became rulers of the land. Meanwhile, the bulk of the wandering Semites passed beyond Sumer
@TheObserversTV Ethiopian Semitic (also known as Ethiopian, Ethiosemitic, Ethiopic, or Afro-Semitic) is a language group, which together with Old South Arabian forms the Western branch of the South Semitic languages. The languages are spoken in both Ethiopia and Eritrea. Some linguists have begun calling this group "Afro-Semitic" to avoid the exclusive focus on Ethiopia, but its use is not widespread.
@TheObserversTV The Semitic languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Ge'ez, Aramaic, and a number of dead languages like Phoenician and Akkadian) form one of the six branches of the Afroasiatic language family. The other five are Berber (hard to classify, it could be several very closely related languages or a rather large dialect continuum of one language), Chadic (Hausa is the only member most of us have heard of but there are many others), Cushitic (Oromo and Somali have the most speakers),
The earliest known Akkadian inscription was found on a bowl at Ur, addressed to the very early pre-Sargonic king Meskiang-nuna of Ur by his queen Gan-saman, who is from Akkad, dating 3rd millennium BC (Notice the term Akkad existed before Sargon's birth!)
@TheObserversTV People had lived here since 5000 BC. About 3500 BC, they began to group together into cities. Some cities became more powerful, controlling their neighbor cities. Semitic people from the west, called Akkadians, conquered Sumer about 2350 BC, and the two cultures gradually merged. Eventually Sumer was taken over by other Semitic tribes.
@goran21715. aren't you the one spreading around that Sumerians and Akkadians called themselves Black Headed people? Now you changed your mind? lool, and by the way, I just found out according to Archaeologist Giorgio Buccellati The Hurrian urban culture was not represented by a large number of cities. Urkesh (North Syria) was the only Hurrian city in the middle of the third millennium B.C (Around 2800 - 2700 BC)
Geography tells me that the Oldest Attested Semitism was actually in Mesopotamia by Akkad, going back 2600 BC... The Oldest Attested Semitism in Arabia only goes 750 BC!!
According to what the Afro / Dark Skinned Iranians say, they are calling themselves the Real people of Iran... This is called Afrocentralism, you are just making the ancient Mesopotamian to be as "Blacks" Dont forget that the Blacks inform that Mesopotamia and Iran was LAND OF THE KUSHITES, so if you want to believe everyone in the lands were black, its up to you.
@TheObserversTV According to the Sumerian king list, king Hadanish of Hamazi held hegemony over Sumer after defeating Kish,but was in turn defeated by Enshakushanna of Uruk.in 3 millennuimA clay tablet found in the archives at Ebla in Syria bears a copy of a diplomatic message sent from king Irkab-Damu of Ebla to king Zizi of Hamazi,along with a large quantity of wood,hailing him as a brother, and requesting him to send mercenaries in exchange.invader of mesopotamia filthy negro bedouin semite
@TheObserversTV you don't care about Lullubi(Khamiza) cause they was held hegemony over Sumer after defeating Kish, in 3rd millennium & there weren't mention of ASSyrian (A clay tablet found in the archives at Ebla in Syria bears a copy of a diplomatic message sent from king Irkab-Damu of Ebla to king Zizi of Hamazi, along with a large quantity of wood, hailing him as a brother, and requesting him to send mercenaries in exchange.invader of mesopotamia filthy negro bedouin semite ,look geography
@goran21715 I dont care about Lulu because they were an Iranic tribe located in Halabja! I dont care about Halabja and I dont care about Hamazi because they are located in West Iran, Hamadan, that is Close to Central part of Iran!
Assyrians have done Trading with Anatolian peoples in the Early Bronze Age, and there is Trading Tablet records for this, so I dont need OTHER people to write about my own people... My own people write about our records!
@TheObserversTV lol lullbi exist befor ASSyrian,they was held hegemony over sumer in early bronz age,may you don't know Early Bronze Age (EBA) nean(3 300-2100) BC,the ASSyrian invasion upper mesopotamia in2500 BC,previous l tald you befor don;t talk befor a date 2500BC,Assyria had extensive contact with Hittite &Hurrian cities on the Anatolian plateau in Asia Minor.The Assyrians established colonies in Cappadocia, (e.g.,at Kanesh (modern Kültepe) from 1945 BC-740 BC.These colonies,called karum
@goran21715 then why the hell are you talking about kingdoms from 2500-1500 BC you idiot, you talk about Hamazi from 2400 BC and this kingdom was located in IRAN I told you not to talk about these IRANIAN nations and you didn't tell me before about qal'at shurqat, because you STILL have not shown me who the people invaded during 2500 BC!!
Ok, you can claim Halabja = lulu, the dirt town is YOURS, glad you can have it!
There was no signs of Hurrians or Aryan people in Nineveh until 1500 BC.
@TheObserversTV Zamua (also: Mazamua) was an ancient kingdom, corresponding with the earlier kingdom of Lullubi, which stretched from lake Urmia to the upper reaches of the Diyala River, roughly corresponding with the modern Sulaimania governorate in Iraqi Kurdistan. It was centered at Sharazur plain. Ameka and Arashtua were two southern Zamuan kingdoms. A Nasiku bearing the name of Nur Adad was a Zamuan leader who lauchned a resistance against Assyrian invasions.
@goran21715 ok DUDE, take Suleimaniya, Diyala, East Kirkuk and the crap hole Halabja its ALL YOURS
The reason why Ethiopians are Semitic is because they were influenced with the language by the original or early takers of Semitism (Mesopotamians or Arabians)
And I just showed you that Gutians / Hurrians were different people from Medes because Hurrians According to Historians, they spoke Russian-Type language, while Medes CAME from Central Iran and speak an Iranic Language (Close to Farsi)
@TheObserversTV lol appear you psychical ill,you account yourself own of aera to grant me here and there,who are you to talk like that where the ASSyrian as you imagation him,we in kirkuk know that and we account ASSyrian extinct since 612 BC when Medes overthrew him&destroyed him forever just like the Gutian overthrew Akkadian from sumer foreever listen&learn little as you claim yourself ASSyrian,you was invasion mesopotamia from wast or south you must return to your desert in arabiab peninsula
@goran21715 extinct? Assyrians had a Kingdom during 100 BC called Adiabene, so Assyrians did not go extinct,
Assyrians did not invade anyone, the people had Arbil / Nineveh before anyone was there, Don't forget yourself that in 1000 BC, the banishment of Hurrians because Assyrians destroyed the Army forever,
The fall of Nineveh shocked the ancient world. The Jewish prophet Nahum described the Median armies advancing to the city that had once ruled the Near East.
@TheObserversTV lol Arbil (Hewler ) Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC,[3][4] and it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world.[3][4] At the heart of the city is the ancient Citadel of Arbil. The Hurrians were the first to establish Urbilum and expand their rule to the rest of northern Mesopotamia
@goran21715 Read up on Tel Hassuna going up North to Arbil in 6000 BC to get wetter climate, they are recorded to be the same people as the Mesopotamians from their name and the way their culture is, they are a different tribal name, but same people as Assyrians Tel Hassuna means Hill of axe workers, the Hill People (Arbil Hill area)
Hurrians did not establish Urbil!!!! Where does it say Hurrian or Aryan related people established Urbil????
@TheObserversTV i tald you necer talk befor 1200 BC cause BEDOUIN WAVE NOT INVASION YET (-oldest swastika in a site near Samarra in central Iraq(Hassuna culture)
-oldest hindu texts in northern Syria
-oldest wheels and carts found in near east
-the similarities of the halaf culture with the indic culture
-the huge stuff written in Gamkrelidze&Ivanov's book about proto iranonessic/indo-european homeland being in southeastern Anatolia
@TheObserversTV The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty,liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke.The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back,&a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Gutian rule. Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians,The Akkadian dynasty (2350-2150 BC) marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia,a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC)
@TheObserversTV , the Hurrians divided into a number of clans & subgroups, founding city-states, kingdoms and empires with eponymous clan names.These included the Gutis, Kurti, Khaldi, Nairi, Mushku, Mannaeans (Mannai)Mitanni, Urartu,Lullubi and the Kassites among others. All these tribes were part of the larger group of Hurrians (Khurrites), and together helped to shape the Hurrian phase of Kurdish history.These groups, except the Mitanni leadership, are thought to have been non-Indo-Europeans
@TheObserversTV In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of; Akkadian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic, Ge'ez, Maltese, Canaanite/Phoenician, Amorite, Eblaite, Ugaritic, Sutean, Chaldean, Mandaic, Ahlamu, Amharic, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.
@goran21715 What does that prove? This is only stating that these people are Semites because they share the same linguistics as the other people. Look up August Ludwig Von Shlozer, the FOUNDER of Semitic Term.
@TheObserversTV the Semite hordes began their migration from the deserts of Arabia. Some of the wanderers descended into Sumer,coming apparently less as conquerors than as visitors,admirers and imitators of the Sumerian culture.By degrees these Semite invaders grew to be an important force in every city, &at length became rulers of the land. Meanwhile,the bulk of the wandering Semites passed beyond Sumer to the northward and spread over the meadow lands higher up the course of the Euphrates,
@goran21715 Akkadian (əkā'dēən) Also called Assyro-Babylonian, Akkadian (or Accadian) was current in ancient Mesopotamia (now Iraq) from about 3000 B.C. until the time of Jesus. Old Akkadian is the earliest period of the language and can be dated from its appearance in Mesopotamia 3000 - 2600 BC. The Akkad state itself was North of Sumer and Babylon, the state can be defined as "The Northern Fringe of Sumer" and the people were indigenous with Sumer.
@TheObserversTV the akkadian non exist in 3000BC-2600BC,and there weren't term assyro-babylion , (The Akkadian Empire reached its political peak between the 24th and 22nd centuries BC, following the conquests of its founder Sargon of Akkad (2334–2279 BC). Under Sargon and his successors, Akkadian language was briefly imposed on neighboring conquered states such as Elam. Akkad is sometimes regarded as the first empire in history,[5] though there are earlier Sumerian claimant
Several notable Russian linguists, such as S. A. Starostin and V. V. Ivanov, have notified that the Hurrian and the Hattic were related to the Russio-Northeast Caucasian languages.
Median people spoke the Median language, which was an Old Iranian language. (Iranian Language Family belonging to languages such as Farsi)
If you say Sumerian and Akkadian were different because of language, I can say the same for Hurrians and Medes :)
@TheObserversTV you are ignorant history and its chronicle Gutian first empire of aryan (One of the clearest indicators that the powerful Gutians of Gutium were members of the Irano race is provided by the geographical location of ancient Gutium, which lies within the modern orbit of the distribution of Irano-Aryan languages. In fact, ancient Gutium appears to have been merely another name for modern Kurdistan, a region inhabited by the Iranic-speaking Kurds today.
@TheObserversTV and identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
@TheObserversTV and identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
@TheObserversTV and identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
@TheObserversTV identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
Akkadian cuneiform goes back 2600 BC... And the King of Arteshan, those kings were living in North Eastern Syria LOL, king atalshen probable date around his life was about 2100 BC living in Urkesh Syria, so I dont care about North Syrian people, ok?
Dont tell me you are Gutia, Hurrian then Medes, ok? because Medes were an IRANIAN people, the Hurrian were Russian-Type people.
@TheObserversTV its sumerian ono akkadin,the northeastern Syria is west kurdistan The Hurrians enter the orbit of ancient Middle Eastern civilization toward the end of the 3rd millennium BC.you dont care,lts my history lol l take a care it,you ignor history lol Hurrian and Gutian kin tribes the different only the peoples around him known them is utter him name (khurrti (Gutti) its same, the Subartu whom was offshoot of hurrian migration to russia in 1st millennium and stablished mosuchi (mosco)
When Assyria conquered Babylon in the Sargonid period (8th-7th centuries BCE), Assyrian scribes began to write the name of Ashur with the cuneiform signs AN.SHAR. meaning "Whole Heaven"
Anshar/Anshur/Ashur is the Supreme God of Mesopotamia.
I want you to read up on Tel Keppe and the origins of the name (Located today in North/East Nineveh) which is a Purely Assyrian district in the Nineveh Plains.
@TheObserversTV lol nenivah was Hurrian village befor invasion it and occupied in 1400 BC , the roman rebulit it and named nenivah , Nenivah also it kurdish name meaning (rebulit or reconstruction , l challenge if you find meaning in ASSyrian language or in arabic language,
@TheObserversTV lol nenivah was Hurrian village befor invasion it and occupied in 1400 BC , the roman rebulit it and named nenivah , Nenivah also it kurdish name meaning (rebulit or reconstruction , l challenge if you find meaning in ASSyrian language or in arabic language,
Also, according to what I read here, there is No Signs of Hurrian-related people anywhere else in North Iraq except for parts of Kirkuk and Halabja,
Arbil (Also known as Tel Hassuna) Nineveh/Nuhadra is Assyrian Lands
Tel = Hill
Hassuna = Axe
This Big tribe went to the North from the South about 6000 BC and built their homes around and ON the Hill (Arbil), also if you continue to read about this Tribe, it says that these people were AXE WORKERS - Wood Workers, notice the name :)
Lebanon is Kurdistan, Mesopotamia is Kurdistan, Anatolia is Kurdistan, Babylon is Kurdistan, Arabia is Kurdistan, Caucus area is Kurdistan, Syria is Kurdistan, Iranic land is Kurdistan, China is Kurdistan, Atlantis is Kurdistan, Martin L King was Kurdistan, Brazil is Kurdistan, I remember also now German Kurds are claiming Germany to be Kurdistan, they saw Ancient Trier city and they called it 'Kurdish'
Dont tell anybody this is between me and you, but Also they found Kurdish tribes on Mars O.O
@TheObserversTV HAHAHAHAHAHA , where lol sumer used Swastikas,
Oldest depictions of Swastikas (from near estern sites in Samarra, central Iraq-Hassuna culture 6000-5000 bc), look date its early even sumer and elucidate the migration from Zagros mountian to south Jarmo to Arrapha to Nuzi to Hassuna and then to samerra then to Ka-din-gir-ra (babylion , yes the oldest Swastikas found in kurdistan not in india, hahaha that mean homeland of aryan was Kurdistan ,
@goran21715 Sumeria did use Swastika, type in (Swastika Sumerian) There was use of that symbol in that area during that time,
Ka meant Gate, and Dingir Ideogram for God and Ra in the sentence is to speak of something/ the meaning of what the object is = IN SUMERIAN
and by the way, this symbol reached from Iran to Mesopotamia, so I dont care about this symbol, and Cool Tel hassuna, Samara cultures used it, thats awesome, how ever it does not make them Aryan people.
@TheObserversTV lol look to date( 6000-5000) BC , even if the sumerian used may they taked from Hurrian , at all its oldest even to swastiks of india , hahaha lol old than 6000 BC -5000 BC
@TheObserversTV HAHAHAHAHAHA , where lol sumer used Swastikas,
Oldest depictions of Swastikas (from near estern sites in Samarra, central Iraq-Hassuna culture 6000-5000 bc), look date its early even sumer and elucidate the migration from Zagros mountian to south Jarmo to Arrapha to Nuzi to Hassuna and then to samerra then to Ka-din-gir-ra (babylion , yes the oldest Swastikas found in kurdistan not in india, hahaha that mean homeland of aryan was Kurdistan (homeland of aryan),
@TheObserversTV lol look to date( 6000-5000) BC , even if the sumerian used may they taked from Hurrian , at all its oldest even to swastiks of india , hahaha lol old than 6000 BC -5000 BC it the date of stablished of Arbil (Arbil( Hewler )Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC,[3][4] and it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world.
@TheObserversTV lol look to date( 6000-5000) BC,even if the sumerian used may they taked from Hurrian,at all its oldest even to swastiks of india,ol old than 6000 BC-5000 BC it the date of stablished of Arbil ( Hewler )Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC& it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world,mean the hurrian kingdom was to babylion & you can see it in akkadian map or in Hurrian map,then babylion name was KA-DIN-GIR-RA)befor changr the name
@TheObserversTV what you talk lol even Ashur (assyrian ) is aryan name meaning evil or (devil) or dark or infidel reversal sur which mean illumination or light or sun of believer which suryia derive from sur,its clear in regvida exsist also , you can read regvida of hindus to know more about ASSyrian hahaha
@goran21715 Who cares about what Hindu says? Ashur means "The Beginning" in Assyrian tongue, Ashur also has another name in Sumero-Babylonian called Anshar meaning "Whole Heavens" In fact, Anu, the supreme God of Sumer, his father was Anshar / Ashur.
@TheObserversTV Anu’s father was Anshar (Sumerian god of the celestial world who was born of the serpents Lakhmu and Lakhamu), as the sky and male principle. Since Anshar mated with his sister Kishar (Anu’s mother, she became the earth and female principle), thus they produced the great gods. Anshar organized the gods in their fight against Tiamat but did no fighting himself. Anshar different to ahue lol in time and in meaning
@goran21715 Show me where it says INVADE, WHO DID THEY INVADE, if you can't show me an invasion, then this was obviously Assyrian territory
According to what I read here, the term Akkad is actually ingeniousness to Mesopotamia, with their sister culture the Sumerians, these states both APPEARED in Mesopotamia, there is no other historical name for Akkad than in Mesopotamia, the oldest attested writing system for Akkad dates back 2600 BC in Mesopotamia
@TheObserversTV its clear the word occupied and they came from syria or south , and look to first scientific excavations and the date is clear 1903 and the name of scientific ) led by Walter Andrae.The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce , and note word reached the tiger rivereither from syria or from south , all other are lie and fake of history
sumer non semite peoples ,akkadian also invasion sumer in north of babylion ,ans sumer was merely city state , they invasion in 230 BC ,
@TheObserversTV the assyrian invasion mesopotamia in 2500BC there weren't any relation to sumerian the the sumerian non semite ( The first scientific excavations there were conducted by a German expedition (1903–13) led by Walter Andrae. Ashur was a name applied to the city, to the country, and to the principal god of the ancient Assyrians.
The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce by a tribe that probably had reached the Tigris River either from Syria or from the south)
@goran21715 Show me where it says "Invade in 2500 BC" please.
If that is the case, you say Sumerian and Assyrian were different, then why do you say Medes and Hurrian are the same? Medes is Iranic language and Hurrian was North East Caucasian type language.
@TheObserversTV indefinition of Ashur (modern Qalʿat Sharqāṭ,capital of Assyria, located on the west bank of the Tigris River in northern Iraq. The first scientific excavations there were conducted by a German expedition (1903–13) led by Walter Andrae. Ashur was a name applied to the city, to the country, and to the principal god of the ancient Assyrians.
The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce by a tribe that probably had reached the Tigris River either from Syria or from the south.
@TheObserversTV according to the Assyrian King List. Ibrium concluded a treaty with Tudiya of Assyria for the use of a trading post officially controlled by Ebla,then a further thirteen rulers,about all of whom nothing is yet known. These early kings from the 23rd to late 21st centuries BC,who are recorded as kings who lived in tents were likely to have been Akkadian semi nomadic pasturalist rulers subject to the Akkadian Empire.read well they was nomadic dwelt him king TENT
@TheObserversTV The Hurrians enter the orbit of ancient Middle Eastern civilization toward the end of the 3rd millenniumBC.They arrived in Mesopotamia from the north or the east, There is a brief inscription in Hurrian language from the end of the period of Akkad,while that of King Arishen of Urkish&Nawar is written in Akkadian.The language of the Hurrians have belonged to a widespread group of ancient Middle Eastern languages.The relationship between Hurrian&Subarean has already been mentioned
@goran21715 Yes Hurrians went to north eastern area since it was already Occupied by a people called the ASSYRIANS, Arbil/Nineveh/Gasur was already in Assyrian hands that is why the Hurrians went to eastern kirkuk and halabja
Again I would like to ask you, where was a Hurrian king during 2376 BC? By the way the Akkad state APPEARED North of Babylon and Sumer, they call Akkad "The Northern Fringe of Sumer" it has been recorded that the Akkad state existed since 3000 BC!!
@TheObserversTV The Lullubi were a group of tribes during the 3rd millennium BC,from a region known as Lulubum, now the Sharazor plain of in the Zagros Mountains Frayne (1990) identified their city Lulubuna or Luluban with the modern Kurdish town, Halabja.The early Sumerian legend "Lugalbanda and the Anzud Bird,alludes to the"mountains of Lulubi" as being where the character of Lugalbanda encounters the gigantic Anzud bird while searching for the rest of Enmerkar's army en route to siege Aratta.
@goran21715 Didn't I tell you to quit talking about Lulu? This is the last time you will speak about them because I dont care about Halabja, that dirt village, Hamazi was as well an Iranian tribe located in Western Iran ( Like I said, I dont care about Iran or Halabja) As well, the Gutians Occupied the Eastern area of Kirkuk coming from South Western Iran!! , they were not in Arbil / Nineveh or Gasur until 1500 BC (Mittani Invasion)
Did you know there is a theory that Iran is black people?
@TheObserversTV Lullubi, an ancient ethnic group that lived in the mountains east of Mesopotamia. An inscription of a king of the Lullubi with the Akkadian name Annubanini has come down to us from the 22nd century B.C. In the second millennium B.C., there were many Lullubi slaves in the Human states. Lullubi city-states are mentioned in inscriptions of the Assyrian kings from the ninth century B.C. In the Urartian language lulu means “foreign enemy.”
@TheObserversTV According to the Sumerian king list, king Hadanish of Hamazi held hegemony over Sumer after defeating Kish, but was in turn defeated by Enshakushanna of Uruk.in 3 millennuimA clay tablet found in the archives at Ebla in Syria bears a copy of a diplomatic message sent from king Irkab-Damu of Ebla to king Zizi of Hamazi,along with a large quantity of wood, hailing him as a brother, and requesting him to send mercenaries in exchange.invader of mesopotamia filthy negro bedouin semite
@TheObserversTV Then, in the summers of 1992 and 1993, their seventh and eighth seasons of digging at Tell Mozan in northeastern Syria, the Buccellatis found seal impressions that, after painstaking study, confirmed that the mound was in fact the site of ancient Urkesh. More than 650 impressions of stone cylinder seals,rolled onto vessels &jars to identify their owners more than 4300 years ago,provided abundant clues. Carbon dating further confirmed that the Hurrians were thriving around 2200 BC
@TheObserversTV confirmed that the mound was in fact the site of ancient Urkesh. More than 650 impressions of stone cylinder seals, rolled onto vessels and jars to identify their owners more than 4300 years ago, provided abundant clues. Carbon dating further confirmed that the Hurrians were thriving around 2200 BC, nearly a thousand years earlier than experts had understood that they were a regional power. Though finding Urkesh has been compared to finding the Mount Olympus of Greek mythology
@TheObserversTV what you talk lol even Ashur (assyrian ) is aryan name meaning evil or (devil) or dark or infidel reversal sur which mean illumination or light or sun of believer which suryia derive from sur,its clear in regvida exsist also , you can read regvida of hindus to know more about ASSyrian , ayria was hurrian , and the term syrian is derive fron sur vs Ashue or Sur in kurdish mean red or sun (khur)
@TheObserversTV shut the fuck up STUPID ASSyrian BITCH..you know it is true..ASSyrians made war and beheading and cutting limbs a way of life...fucking barbars
@TheObserversTV no body did what ASSyrian comitted from all sorts of crimes against other nations..you guys were artists in bizzarre sadistic torture and suffering methodes..unknown to human race before...I hope all assyrian who committed those crimes burn in hell forever
@TheObserversTV donkey listen to the fact you invasion Hurrian land in 2500 BC never talk befor this history idiot(. The first scientific excavations there were conducted by a German expedition (1903–13) led by Walter Andrae. Ashur was a name applied to the city, to the country, and to the principal god of the ancient Assyrians.The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce by a tribe that probably had reached the Tigris River either from Syria or from the south.
@goran21715 you can claim eastern kirkuk and halabja, Iranian Zagros
Western Kirkuk, Arbil (Arbil, originally called Tel Hassuna = Hill of Axe workers in Assyrian) and Nineveh is purely Assyrian areas,
By the way, can you name me another tribe that was in Modern day Shurqat?? YOU CANT.. Assyrians were there before anyone, the tribes of Assyrian people reached its peek in western kirkuk and arbil during the Old period.
@TheObserversTV fuck off you destoryed the Nuzi hurrian -mitanni city(The earliest occupation of the site can be traced to prehistoric times. During the middle of the third millennium B.C.E.The city reached the height of its importance during the15th–14th centuries B.C.E.when it was called Nuzi and was part of the Mitanni Empire centered in northern Syria; its population largely spoke the Hurrian language,though they wrote in Akkadian. It was destroyed by the Assyrians in the 14th century B.C)
@goran21715 Nuzi was originally Gasur, look it up yourself, it was Akkadian association and Akkadian city, then Mittani invaded it and renamed it to Nuzi,
Assyrians did not destroy it, they liberated it, if Assyrians destroyed it, how come according to historians that modern day kirkuk reached its best peek during the time of the Assyrian Empire?
@TheObserversTV idiot go read well its perhistorym after Jarmo city and then they move to south and stabished hassauna andd tell halfa south of Nuzi , they all hurrian -Subartu cities , the evil assyrian destroyed in 1400 BC (its population largely spoke the Hurrian language, though they wrote in Akkadian. It was destroyed by the Assyrians in the 14th century B.C.E.
@TheObserversTV ANIMAL YOU ILLITERATE , the ASSyrian desroyed Nuzi , how they destroyed himcity(. the place was called Gasur (Foster 1987). The city reached the height of its importance during the 15th–14th centuries B.C.E., when it was called Nuzi and was part of the Mitanni Empire centered in northern Syria; its population largely spoke the Hurrian language, though they wrote in Akkadian. It was destroyed by the Assyrians in the 14th century B.C.E.)
@goran21715 Dont call names through internet please, if you have emotional problems try to call someone an Animal to their face
It was centered of Hurrians in 1500 BC during their invasion, when it was under Akkadian it was center under Akkadian, remember that Hurrians took Akkadian cuneiform.
Gasur = Assyria
Also remember that Anatolia today is Majority Turkic speaking, doesn't make Anatolia a Turkic land. like Hurrian, they invaded North Mesopotamia.
@TheObserversTV native Hurrian-speaking population about the 15th-16th centuries BC, Indo-Aryan charioteers were absorbed into the local population and adopted the Hurrian language.However, Brentjes (as cited in Bryant 2001:137) argues that there is not a single cultural element of central Asian, eastern European, or Caucasian origin in the Mitannian area and associates with an Indo-Aryan presence the peacock motif found in the Middle East from before 1600 BC and quite likely from before 2100 BC
@TheObserversTV with an Indo-Aryan presence the peacock motif found in the Middle East from before 1600 BC and quite likely from before 2100 BC.
In contrast, most scholars reject the possibility that the Indo-Aryans of Mitanni came from the Indian subcontinent as well as the possibility that the Indo-Aryans of the Indian subcontinent came from the territory of Mitanni, leaving migration from the north the only likely scenario.[60] The presence of some BMAC loan words in Mitanni, Old Iranian
@TheObserversTV Some theonyms, proper names and other terminology of the Mitanni exhibit an Indo-Aryan superstrate,an Indo-Aryan elite imposed itself over the Hurrian population in the course of the Indo-Aryan expansion.In a treaty between the Hittites& the Mitanni the deities Mitra,Varuna, Indra, and Nasatya (Ashvins) are invoked. Kikkuli's horse training text (1400 BC) includes technical terms such as aika (eka, one),tera (tri,three), panza (pancha,five), satta (sapta,seven), na (nava,nine),
@goran21715 Indo-Aryan is language of gypsies, which belongs in mountains of Iran, North Mesopotamia has no Aryan tongue as a nativity, the only time Aryan tongue would be found in North Mesopotamia is if it is an invasion or absorbing territories to Aryanize the people (Like what the Hurrians tried to do to the Assyrians in Gasur)
Yes Hurrians dwelt in Eastern Kirkuk and Halabja (lulu), however, Tel Hassuna / Nineveh is/was Assyrian land, even Jewish-Talmud-Genesis 2:14 says it is Assyria!
@goran21715 Yes but if you read on Ubaid/Hassuna they are not related to Hurrian group, Tel Hassuna / Ubaid people are more related to the Akkado-Sumerians.
@TheObserversTV poor ASSyrian (One year ago, when readin a book about ancient cultures of the middle east,I discovered that in the cultural sites of Hassuna (near Samara in central Iraq) potteries with depictions of Swastikas were found.The ethny of Hassuna culture people is obscure (not Sumerian but Hurrian The author said that those motifes represent the milkyway galaxy.Interestingly,enough the first texts of aryan were not found in India but in Kurdistan on Khbur river
@goran21715 Samara/ Tel Hassuna have Nothing to do with Kurds/ Indo Europeans,
The Sumerians have used the Swastika, does that make them Aryan? The Germans used it, does that make them Aryan? So now I will introduce this symbol to the chinese people and this will turn them into Aryans :D
You know NATO uses the Shamash Symbol? They are Akkadian people now O.O wow thank you for your insight LOOOOL
@TheObserversTV Also the archeological founds in the Halaf culture of northern Syria shares similarities with indian ones.We have also the mitanni language, which is a very archaic indo-iranian language(older and more archaic than old avestan and rigvedic and which according to indo-european linguists forms a fifth independant indo-iranian group-the other 4 branches being eastern iranian,western iranian,
@TheObserversTV Depictions of Chariots from Lybia (5000 bc)[I dont know how this fit,but for scientific honesty those depictions seem to be the oldest depictions of Chariots& Carts,albeit oldest phyisical remains of Wheels,Carts & Chariots seem to be found in near east (levant-mesopotamia,(Kurdistan)) Bernal
lol ASSyrian was invasion of hurrian land in 2500 BC,so never talk in ASSyrian history befor that date.you can check that in ASSyrian encyclopedia,to see they was nomadic tribes dwelt tent
I want you to stop repeating this "Yoke" comment you do 24/7, I already told you that Gutian were monkeys of Iran, Sumerians/Akkadians hated them, and Gutians INVADED Mesopotamia from IRAN, its all I need man, I dont care how Akkadian empire falls, it fell by Hit-and-Run Tactic, and Gutians, the Iranian people Invaded Mesopotamia.
Where was Gutian during 2300 BC when Akkad was an Empire in Mesopotamia?? IRAN. Thank you. Next Subject please.
@TheObserversTV The plain lying between these mountains and the Tigris was called su-Edina, i.e., "the border of the plain." This name was sometimes shortened into Suti and Su, and has been regarded as = Shoa Some think it denotes a place in Babylon. (See PEKOD.)"In this regard, Elphinston notes, "Sumerian inscriptions of 2000 BC, as well as early Assyrian inscriptions of a thousand years later, indicate the existence of a people named Kardaka, Kurtie or Guti in the neighbourhood of Lake Van.
Read on Archaeological finding in Anatolia which dates back 4000 Years ago, Assyrians were in Anatolia since that year doing trading with other tribes in that area, exchanging tin, fabric, products etc... They even found Successful Assyrian Brain Surgery in ANATOLIA dating back 4000 years ago..
Assyrians were in Arbil since 6000 BC, they were known as the tribe called Tel Hassuna (Only Assyrians use the word "Tel" in the beginning of the name of the area they live in!! Example Tel Keppe)
@TheObserversTV lol where read , lol Arbil established by hurrian go read arbil wikipedia(Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC,[3][4] and it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world.[3][4] At the heart of the city is the ancient Citadel of Arbil. The Hurrians were the first to establish Urbilum and expand their rule to the rest of northern Mesopotamia.
There is no records of Subartu, in fact, the area of which is Subartu is vague, the history is unknown, and it has nothing to do with KER-di, I dont see Subartu writing in KER-dish, did subartu write on their wall "we are kurdish?" NOOO and by the way Historians agree that Subartu was another word for Assyria proper, thats how much Vague the Subartu history is,
North Mesopotamia is and was always written as ASSYRIA,
1400 BC was when Assyrians revolted against Mittani Empire.
@TheObserversTV Zagros highlands which is the original dwelling of the ancient Kurds who were the native inhabitants of the area long before the migration of the other races and tribes. In an article published in Kurdistan Times in its issue of winter1990 Mr.Mustafa Qaradaghi states that Gutium or Guti, the ancient Kurds who spoke a branch of Hurrian language, which was also spoken by their kin of Subartu, Lulu, Kassite&Mittani.Their capital city was in & around the town of Kirkuk,named Arrapha.
@TheObserversTV Subartu was apparently a polity in Northern Mesopotamia,at the upper Tigris,in the general sphere of influence of the Hurrians.Its precise location has not been identified.According to some scholars like Harvard Professor Mehrdad Izady,identifies Subartus with the current Kurdish tribe of Zibaris inhabiting the northern ring around Mosul up to Hakkari in Turkey From the point of view of the Akkadian Empire,Subartu marked the northern geographical horizon, just as Martu,Elam&Sumer
"sumer was a city state of Assyria...............making it PART OF ASSYRIA U DUMB FUCK AND ANOTHER FYI U INBRED AKKAD ALSO WAS A CITY STATE"..
I would like to ask... Where did I say that Sumer wasnt a city state of Assyria? and where did I say Akkad wasn't a city state? Clearly if you would've read what I posted, I said that Akkadians and Sumerians were the same people, Sumer being a city-state and same with Akkad, Akkad being the central state, Sumer being the southern state.
@TheObserversTV wow just like a fucking atheist makes two meanings of one word you were making them seem like they are totally different people when infact u should be refering to them as ASHURIANS
@kingbigdawg9 No, I was talking to Goran, he is insisting that Akkadians and Sumerians were 2 different people, so I am trying to relate to him that there is no difference between the two, they were just different states but the same people
We all know they are all Assyrians, Assyrian (Ashurayu) dates back farther before Sumer or Akkad existed.
@TheObserversTV LOL YOU BLEND AND READ HISTORY UPSET , THERE WASN'T ASSyrian in the time of sumer ,you can check that to look to akkadian map empire , there are only akkadian and Hurrian north of babylion was hurrian kingdom , lol until 1400 BC centry the north of babylon was known Subartu , and subartu was offshoot of hurrian and him capital was in mush city in west of Van lake, professoer Mahrdad lzdy in Harvard university said the Zibary kurdish tribes descendant of the Subartu
wow dude ur info on us is horribly off it sounds like u got it str8 from wikiSHITIya no wonder these idiots dont no who the fuck we are everyone and their mother has a different view of Assyria
In fact, the Gutians were very bad to the Mesopotamians, the Gutians used hit and run tactics destroying the Sumero-Akkadian economy which caused famine across Mesopotamia (including Sumer... So how can Sumer befriend the people that starved them to death? lol's)
@TheObserversTV sumer was a city state of Assyria...............making it PART OF ASSYRIA U DUMB FUCK AND ANOTHER FYI U INBRED AKKAD ALSO WAS A CITY STATE so thats like saying chicagoans and new yokers are totality different even though they LIVE IN AMERICA wow ignorant isnt the word im looking for
@TheObserversTV Indeed, the Gutians appear to have been initially hailed by the Sumerians as deliverers from the Semitic Akkadian oppressors. The reason given for the Gutian attack on the Akkadians by the Sumerians is the destruction of the main Sumerian religious shrines by the fanatical Akkadian ruler Naram-Sin. The work 'The Curse of Agade,' composed by a Sumerian, indicates the revulsion which the Sumerians felt at this senseless act of Akkadian destructiveness:
@goran21715 Didn't we have this discussion from before KER-d? The Gutians were invaders from Iran, according to Assyriologists and majority of sources from historians, the Akkad state was Indigenous to Mesopotamia because all the records of Akkad was found in Central Mesopotamia, the oldest attested Akkadian cuneiform dates back 2600 BC found in Mesopotamia and the state of Akkad is believed to have been established since 3000 BC in Central Mesopotamia (North of Sumer)
@TheObserversTV The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty, liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke. The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back, and a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Gutian rule. Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians, Badawy notes, marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia, a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC)."
@goran21715 Yea, Sumerians loved Gutians, thats why Sumerians called Gutian as language of Dogs, Barbarians and stupid people, the Gutians destroyed the economy of Mesopotamia with Hit and Run tactic from the mountains of Iran starving the Sumerians, yes Sumerian loved youXD
@TheObserversTV The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty, liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke. The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back, and a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Gutian rule. Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians, Badawy notes, marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia, a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC).
@TheObserversTV It has been suggested that Subartu (Amarna letters corpus) be merged into this article or section. (Discuss) Proposed since May 2011.
The land of Subartu or Subar (Sumerian Šubur) is mentioned in Bronze Age literature. The name also appears as Subari in the Amarna letters, and, in the form Šbr, in Ugarit.Subartu was apparently a polity in Northern Mesopotamia, at the upper Tigris, in the general sphere of influence of the Hurrians. Its precise location has not been identified.
@goran21715 stop repeating the shit that you say and I refute you with you damn robot, the Arbil area was first established by Tel Hassuna 6000 BC, there was no Hurrians in north Mesopotamia in 6000 BC, because according to what I am reading here, the Hurrians at the time of Akkad was located in North Syria and parts of Anatolia, so Hurrians are Late comers, after Akkadian/ Tel Hassuna
Our people were right when they called you Gutian-Iranians as DOGS.
@TheObserversTV Who are you ,you merely ignorant person (The Mitanni were an Indo-European (Hurrian) people whose kingdom in northern Mesopotamia flourished from about 1600 ( until it was conquered by the Hittite King Suppiluliumas during the reign of Akhenaten. At its peak, the empire stretched from Kirkuk &the Zagros mountains in western Iran in the east, through Assyria to the Mediterranean sea in the west. Its center was in the region of the Khabur River, where its capital, Wassukkani)
DAKHIT
Assyrian befor barbarian
Assyrian today terrorists, traitors, and pimps.
BASIMA
princejethro85 3 weeks ago
Sargon's 1 uncle dwells in a mountain and that officially makes Sargon a Gutian and then you start this BS about his name being Shire Jwan?!... Wow.. just wow..
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
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@TheObserversTV 1. Sargon, the mighty king, king of Akkadê am I,
2. My mother was lowly; my father I did not know;
3. The brother of my father dwelt in the mountain.
4. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the bank of the Purattu [Euphrates],
5. My lowly mother conceived me, in secret she brought me forth.
6. She placed me in a basket of reeds, she closed my entrance with bitumen,
7. She cast me upon the rivers which did not overflow me.
goran21715 1 month ago
He dwelt in the Mountain so it makes him a GUTIAN hahahaa... You know I dwelt in a Mountain once.. I guess I am a Gutian XD All Mountains, in this earth is Gutian.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV we talk in region well known who was dwelt in that time , sargon himself said his mother was lowly and he didn't know brather of his father and he dwelt in mountian , that so clear he was gutian , and his real name was (shira jwan( yunghth lion ,to nowadayds the kurdish famil named him son shira or sherwan or shirko
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 No that does not make him Gutian, because Sargon was born in MESOPOTAMIA, an the only source for La'ibum states he was an AKKADIAN MAN, no sources from his mother and no sources from his uncle (I guess because it says Mountain he is Gutian haha), Sargon did not call himself or anyone else as a Gutian
and shire jwan? ..... shire jwan.. Sources please... Because According to ARCHAEOLOGY / ASSYRIOLOGY, his title was Sharu Kinu (The True King)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
Mittani was Invaders, they invaded North Mesopotamia (Nineveh / Arbil Gasur) about 1500 BC
Ok, so 2000 years from now you will say Germans are Aryans too, right? It is funny how you think Tel Hassuna, a Mesopotamian Tribe is Aryan hahaha. The name of the tribe is NOT even an Aryan name, it is an Assyrian name. I dont remember the last time Kurds use term TEL for HILL, but Assyrians till today use Tell for Hill for the name of their land!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
Tel Hassuna TOOK those symbols, just like how Germany TOOK those symbols!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
According to this, Hurrians or Aryan related people (Like Gutians) had NO cities in Mesopotamia, the Hurrian city was only Urkish SYRIA around 2700 BC!! ... It wasn't until 2400 BC, the Gutians moved out from Iran and went towards Arapkha!
According to Nahum 2:18 the Assyrians did NOT go extinct!!: O king of Assyria, your shepherds slumber; your nobles lie down to rest. YOUR PEOPLE are scattered on the MOUNTAINS with no one to gather them!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV IDOT even Sargon was Guti his father was dwelt of mountian , you real sick unable to understand,babylion was if far south of hurrian city (KA-DIN-GIR-RA) WHEN STUDIES SUMER &GEOGRAPHIC discription in four diriction Elam & lullubi in east & hurrian in north there wqeren't mintion of Akkadin and ASSyrian,the Medes combine tribes od Zagros -turus in kingdom which eas hamadan take as capital,all mountian under Medes rule,in lslam era in 7th ADcentury they defeat ti mountian region ,
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 LOOOOL!!! Sargon was not a Guti!!! hahaha Shar Gani-Sharali is not even a Gutian name!! His father La'ibum has NO connection with Gutian!
Also KADINGIRA was SUMERIAN meaning Gate of God! Not Hurrian you liar! and Assyrian Empire was combined tribes of MESOPOTAMIANS.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV idiot sargon's real name was (shira jwamh mean in kurdish (youth lion) and he said the mighty,king .king of akkad am l,its cleare then he said my mother was lowly(prostitute, mt father l don't know that mean he bastard & he said the brother of my father dwelt in mountian,that meanhis uncle was Guti dwelt gutian in 3rd millennium
1. Sargon, the mighty king, king of Akkadê am I,
2. My mother was lowly; my father I did not know
3. The brother of my father dwelt in the mountain
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV 1. Sargon, the mighty king, king of Akkadê am I,
2. My mother was lowly; my father I did not know;
3. The brother of my father dwelt in the mountain.
4. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the bank of the Purattu [Euphrates],
5. My lowly mother conceived me, in secret she brought me forth.
6. She placed me in a basket of reeds, she closed my entrance with bitumen,
7. She cast me upon the rivers which did not overflow me.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 I know Sargon did not know his his Father, his father was believed to have been La'ibum and was of Akkad (Also according to Sumerian Sources), and stop making shit up shira jwamh was not his name, it was Sharu Kinu in North Akkadian dialect, and in Babylonian Dialect it was Sharu Gani-Sharali, which means the The True King or The King is Legitimate" I dont know where you get your history from (probably from KRG Propaganda)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV he said my mother lowly and my father l didn't know but l know brather of my father what mean that , he was bastard his legitimate father was Guti read well his circumstance 1. Sargon, the mighty king, king of Akkadê am I,
2. My mother was lowly; my father I did not know;
3. The brother of my father dwelt in the mountain.
4. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the bank of the Purattu [Euphrates],
5. My lowly mother conceived me, in secret she brought me forth.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 La'ibum was an Akkadian man. He is mentioned once in the Sumerian "Sargon legend" as the father of Sargon of Akkad. No details about his life or historicity are known. He was presumably an Akkadian. A neo-Assyrian text asserts that Sargon was from Azupiranu.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV how he wasn't know his father and say his name was la'ibum . lol he was in time of city state , there was little peoples on sumer. in that time the sumer between tiger and euphrat and east of tiger was Gutian , actually in 3rd millennion Gutian was ddle Euphrat besid sumerian , off cpursethe dwelt of mountian in that early time was GUTIAN
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 go tell Assyriologist's that Sargon was a Gutian I am sure they would love to hear your theory lol.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol they know se on google l find it in searching on kadian on google(Sargon (SAHR gawn) its kurdish name meaning(youth lion ) both name is kurdish name.sargon,the constituted or declared king) has an unknown history before 3000 B.C.in some circles and no less than 2300 B.C in other circles. It is known for sure that he ruled for 61years)
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV 1. Sargon, the mighty king, king of Akkadê am I,
2. My mother was lowly; my father I did not know;
3. The brother of my father dwelt in the mountain.
4. My city is Azupiranu, which is situated on the bank of the Purattu [Euphrates],
5. My lowly mother conceived me, in secret she brought me forth.
6. She placed me in a basket of reeds, she closed my entrance with bitumen,
7. She cast me upon the rivers which did not overflow me.
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV We have also the mitanni language, which is a very archaic indo-iranian language(older and more archaic than old avestan and rigvedic and which according to indo-european linguists forms a fifth independant indo-iranian group-the other 4 branches being eastern iranian,western iranian,dardic and indic).
So we have:
-oldest swastika in a site near Samarra in central Iraq(Hassuna culture)
-oldest hindu texts in northern Syria
goran21715 1 month ago
Medes were Nigro-Pakis, look at their hooked nose from ASIA hahaha.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV we well know in our featuer , the more beautifull than ASSyrian negro nomadic , then they extinct to pompare with im , we must go yo museum to find fossilized ASSyrian lol
goran21715 1 month ago
CONCLUSIONS from the Debate we had in the past couple days:
Arbil / Nineveh / Gasur : Assyrian territory
Suleimaniya / Arapkha / Diyala / Halabja: Kurdish Territory
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV idiot you coward go to Sherqat (ashur)& babylion, you are petty person you psychical ill,live in fancy you merely negro bedouin kurdistan unmarked dateness and its just time to sweeping you to aranioan pinensola there you can bark as you like , how long you live out , l ask if you seen kurdistan or not,advice you to learn from jewish to return to your homeland in arabian pinensols as your bedouin ancestor come , there are plenty of Oil ,hahaha and they your cousin araboooo
goran21715 1 month ago
ORIGINS: Speakers of the Akkadian language seem to have already been present in Mesopotamia at the dawn of the historical period, and soon achieved preeminence with the first Dynasty of Kish and numerous localities to the north of Sumer, where rulers with Akkadian names had already established themselves by the 3rd millennium BC.
There is NO evidence that a group of people called "Akkadians came from Arabia" In fact, each day goes by more and more people know it is a FALSE CLAIM.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV you drean if that right why they known as sumerian,lol sumer non semite or endo-european they exposed to the vaded of semite (akkadian) they invasion in north babylion Sumer developed into a number of independent citystates that carried on almost continual warfare among themselves until united by Lugalzaggisi2350 B.C.A decade later they were conquered by the Akkadians,a Semitic people to the north,led by their king Sargon.The Akkadian fell to the Guti,a tribe about 200years later
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Somewhere about 5000 B.C. the Semite hordes began their migration from the deserts of Arabia. Some of the wanderers descended into Sumer, coming apparently less as conquerors than as visitors, attracted by this civilization so superior to their own, admirers and imitators of the Sumerian culture. By degrees these Semite invaders grew to be an important force in every city, and at length became rulers of the land. Meanwhile, the bulk of the wandering Semites passed beyond Sumer
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Ethiopian Semitic (also known as Ethiopian, Ethiosemitic, Ethiopic, or Afro-Semitic) is a language group, which together with Old South Arabian forms the Western branch of the South Semitic languages. The languages are spoken in both Ethiopia and Eritrea. Some linguists have begun calling this group "Afro-Semitic" to avoid the exclusive focus on Ethiopia, but its use is not widespread.
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV The Semitic languages (Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Ge'ez, Aramaic, and a number of dead languages like Phoenician and Akkadian) form one of the six branches of the Afroasiatic language family. The other five are Berber (hard to classify, it could be several very closely related languages or a rather large dialect continuum of one language), Chadic (Hausa is the only member most of us have heard of but there are many others), Cushitic (Oromo and Somali have the most speakers),
goran21715 1 month ago
The earliest known Akkadian inscription was found on a bowl at Ur, addressed to the very early pre-Sargonic king Meskiang-nuna of Ur by his queen Gan-saman, who is from Akkad, dating 3rd millennium BC (Notice the term Akkad existed before Sargon's birth!)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV People had lived here since 5000 BC. About 3500 BC, they began to group together into cities. Some cities became more powerful, controlling their neighbor cities. Semitic people from the west, called Akkadians, conquered Sumer about 2350 BC, and the two cultures gradually merged. Eventually Sumer was taken over by other Semitic tribes.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715. aren't you the one spreading around that Sumerians and Akkadians called themselves Black Headed people? Now you changed your mind? lool, and by the way, I just found out according to Archaeologist Giorgio Buccellati The Hurrian urban culture was not represented by a large number of cities. Urkesh (North Syria) was the only Hurrian city in the middle of the third millennium B.C (Around 2800 - 2700 BC)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
Geography tells me that the Oldest Attested Semitism was actually in Mesopotamia by Akkad, going back 2600 BC... The Oldest Attested Semitism in Arabia only goes 750 BC!!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
According to what the Afro / Dark Skinned Iranians say, they are calling themselves the Real people of Iran... This is called Afrocentralism, you are just making the ancient Mesopotamian to be as "Blacks" Dont forget that the Blacks inform that Mesopotamia and Iran was LAND OF THE KUSHITES, so if you want to believe everyone in the lands were black, its up to you.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV According to the Sumerian king list, king Hadanish of Hamazi held hegemony over Sumer after defeating Kish,but was in turn defeated by Enshakushanna of Uruk.in 3 millennuimA clay tablet found in the archives at Ebla in Syria bears a copy of a diplomatic message sent from king Irkab-Damu of Ebla to king Zizi of Hamazi,along with a large quantity of wood,hailing him as a brother, and requesting him to send mercenaries in exchange.invader of mesopotamia filthy negro bedouin semite
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 I dont care about the dirty Hamazi Iranians!!!
Prove to me that Semite is Arabian, I can prove to you Semite is NOT Arabian.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV you don't care about Lullubi(Khamiza) cause they was held hegemony over Sumer after defeating Kish, in 3rd millennium & there weren't mention of ASSyrian (A clay tablet found in the archives at Ebla in Syria bears a copy of a diplomatic message sent from king Irkab-Damu of Ebla to king Zizi of Hamazi, along with a large quantity of wood, hailing him as a brother, and requesting him to send mercenaries in exchange.invader of mesopotamia filthy negro bedouin semite ,look geography
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 I dont care about Lulu because they were an Iranic tribe located in Halabja! I dont care about Halabja and I dont care about Hamazi because they are located in West Iran, Hamadan, that is Close to Central part of Iran!
Assyrians have done Trading with Anatolian peoples in the Early Bronze Age, and there is Trading Tablet records for this, so I dont need OTHER people to write about my own people... My own people write about our records!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol lullbi exist befor ASSyrian,they was held hegemony over sumer in early bronz age,may you don't know Early Bronze Age (EBA) nean(3 300-2100) BC,the ASSyrian invasion upper mesopotamia in2500 BC,previous l tald you befor don;t talk befor a date 2500BC,Assyria had extensive contact with Hittite &Hurrian cities on the Anatolian plateau in Asia Minor.The Assyrians established colonies in Cappadocia, (e.g.,at Kanesh (modern Kültepe) from 1945 BC-740 BC.These colonies,called karum
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 then why the hell are you talking about kingdoms from 2500-1500 BC you idiot, you talk about Hamazi from 2400 BC and this kingdom was located in IRAN I told you not to talk about these IRANIAN nations and you didn't tell me before about qal'at shurqat, because you STILL have not shown me who the people invaded during 2500 BC!!
Ok, you can claim Halabja = lulu, the dirt town is YOURS, glad you can have it!
There was no signs of Hurrians or Aryan people in Nineveh until 1500 BC.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Zamua (also: Mazamua) was an ancient kingdom, corresponding with the earlier kingdom of Lullubi, which stretched from lake Urmia to the upper reaches of the Diyala River, roughly corresponding with the modern Sulaimania governorate in Iraqi Kurdistan. It was centered at Sharazur plain. Ameka and Arashtua were two southern Zamuan kingdoms. A Nasiku bearing the name of Nur Adad was a Zamuan leader who lauchned a resistance against Assyrian invasions.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 ok DUDE, take Suleimaniya, Diyala, East Kirkuk and the crap hole Halabja its ALL YOURS
The reason why Ethiopians are Semitic is because they were influenced with the language by the original or early takers of Semitism (Mesopotamians or Arabians)
And I just showed you that Gutians / Hurrians were different people from Medes because Hurrians According to Historians, they spoke Russian-Type language, while Medes CAME from Central Iran and speak an Iranic Language (Close to Farsi)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol appear you psychical ill,you account yourself own of aera to grant me here and there,who are you to talk like that where the ASSyrian as you imagation him,we in kirkuk know that and we account ASSyrian extinct since 612 BC when Medes overthrew him&destroyed him forever just like the Gutian overthrew Akkadian from sumer foreever listen&learn little as you claim yourself ASSyrian,you was invasion mesopotamia from wast or south you must return to your desert in arabiab peninsula
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 extinct? Assyrians had a Kingdom during 100 BC called Adiabene, so Assyrians did not go extinct,
Assyrians did not invade anyone, the people had Arbil / Nineveh before anyone was there, Don't forget yourself that in 1000 BC, the banishment of Hurrians because Assyrians destroyed the Army forever,
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV yes extinct (
The fall of Nineveh shocked the ancient world. The Jewish prophet Nahum described the Median armies advancing to the city that had once ruled the Near East.
An attacker advances against you, Nineveh. [...]
The shields of his soldiers are red;
the warriors are clad in scarlet.
The metal on the chariots flashes
on the day they are made ready;
the spears of pine are brandished.
The chariots storm through the streets,
rushing back and forth through the
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol Arbil (Hewler ) Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC,[3][4] and it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world.[3][4] At the heart of the city is the ancient Citadel of Arbil. The Hurrians were the first to establish Urbilum and expand their rule to the rest of northern Mesopotamia
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Read up on Tel Hassuna going up North to Arbil in 6000 BC to get wetter climate, they are recorded to be the same people as the Mesopotamians from their name and the way their culture is, they are a different tribal name, but same people as Assyrians Tel Hassuna means Hill of axe workers, the Hill People (Arbil Hill area)
Hurrians did not establish Urbil!!!! Where does it say Hurrian or Aryan related people established Urbil????
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV i tald you necer talk befor 1200 BC cause BEDOUIN WAVE NOT INVASION YET (-oldest swastika in a site near Samarra in central Iraq(Hassuna culture)
-oldest hindu texts in northern Syria
-oldest wheels and carts found in near east
-the similarities of the halaf culture with the indic culture
-the huge stuff written in Gamkrelidze&Ivanov's book about proto iranonessic/indo-european homeland being in southeastern Anatolia
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 1200 BC? are you mentally challenged? I dont care about Halaf or Syria!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty,liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke.The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back,&a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Gutian rule. Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians,The Akkadian dynasty (2350-2150 BC) marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia,a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC)
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV , the Hurrians divided into a number of clans & subgroups, founding city-states, kingdoms and empires with eponymous clan names.These included the Gutis, Kurti, Khaldi, Nairi, Mushku, Mannaeans (Mannai)Mitanni, Urartu,Lullubi and the Kassites among others. All these tribes were part of the larger group of Hurrians (Khurrites), and together helped to shape the Hurrian phase of Kurdish history.These groups, except the Mitanni leadership, are thought to have been non-Indo-Europeans
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical "Shem", Hebrew: שם, translated as "name", Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of; Akkadian, Aramaic, Hebrew, Arabic, Ge'ez, Maltese, Canaanite/Phoenician, Amorite, Eblaite, Ugaritic, Sutean, Chaldean, Mandaic, Ahlamu, Amharic, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 What does that prove? This is only stating that these people are Semites because they share the same linguistics as the other people. Look up August Ludwig Von Shlozer, the FOUNDER of Semitic Term.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV the Semite hordes began their migration from the deserts of Arabia. Some of the wanderers descended into Sumer,coming apparently less as conquerors than as visitors,admirers and imitators of the Sumerian culture.By degrees these Semite invaders grew to be an important force in every city, &at length became rulers of the land. Meanwhile,the bulk of the wandering Semites passed beyond Sumer to the northward and spread over the meadow lands higher up the course of the Euphrates,
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Akkadian (əkā'dēən) Also called Assyro-Babylonian, Akkadian (or Accadian) was current in ancient Mesopotamia (now Iraq) from about 3000 B.C. until the time of Jesus. Old Akkadian is the earliest period of the language and can be dated from its appearance in Mesopotamia 3000 - 2600 BC. The Akkad state itself was North of Sumer and Babylon, the state can be defined as "The Northern Fringe of Sumer" and the people were indigenous with Sumer.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV the akkadian non exist in 3000BC-2600BC,and there weren't term assyro-babylion , (The Akkadian Empire reached its political peak between the 24th and 22nd centuries BC, following the conquests of its founder Sargon of Akkad (2334–2279 BC). Under Sargon and his successors, Akkadian language was briefly imposed on neighboring conquered states such as Elam. Akkad is sometimes regarded as the first empire in history,[5] though there are earlier Sumerian claimant
goran21715 1 month ago
These are the Kingdoms I DONT CARE ABOUT
Gutians = South Western Iran
Lulu = Halabja (Iranic Tribe)
Hamazi = Western Iran
Medes = were not mentioned until 800 BC by Assyrians... Medes = from Iran
Those kingdoms are Indigenous to the Iranian Land, so I don't care about them.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
Several notable Russian linguists, such as S. A. Starostin and V. V. Ivanov, have notified that the Hurrian and the Hattic were related to the Russio-Northeast Caucasian languages.
Median people spoke the Median language, which was an Old Iranian language. (Iranian Language Family belonging to languages such as Farsi)
If you say Sumerian and Akkadian were different because of language, I can say the same for Hurrians and Medes :)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV you are ignorant history and its chronicle Gutian first empire of aryan (One of the clearest indicators that the powerful Gutians of Gutium were members of the Irano race is provided by the geographical location of ancient Gutium, which lies within the modern orbit of the distribution of Irano-Aryan languages. In fact, ancient Gutium appears to have been merely another name for modern Kurdistan, a region inhabited by the Iranic-speaking Kurds today.
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV and identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
goran21715 1 month ago
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@TheObserversTV and identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
goran21715 1 month ago
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@TheObserversTV and identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV identifies the Gutians as ancestors of the modern Kurds: "The thirty million Kurds of the Middle East have lived in Kurdistan before record of modern history was kept.The very first mention of the Kurds in history was about 3,000 BC, under the name Gutium, as they fought the Summerians (Spieser).Later around 800 BC, the Indo-European Median tribes settled in the Zagros mountain region & coalesced with the Gutiums, & thus the modern Kurds speak from as Aryan language (Morris).
goran21715 1 month ago
Akkadian cuneiform goes back 2600 BC... And the King of Arteshan, those kings were living in North Eastern Syria LOL, king atalshen probable date around his life was about 2100 BC living in Urkesh Syria, so I dont care about North Syrian people, ok?
Dont tell me you are Gutia, Hurrian then Medes, ok? because Medes were an IRANIAN people, the Hurrian were Russian-Type people.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV its sumerian ono akkadin,the northeastern Syria is west kurdistan The Hurrians enter the orbit of ancient Middle Eastern civilization toward the end of the 3rd millennium BC.you dont care,lts my history lol l take a care it,you ignor history lol Hurrian and Gutian kin tribes the different only the peoples around him known them is utter him name (khurrti (Gutti) its same, the Subartu whom was offshoot of hurrian migration to russia in 1st millennium and stablished mosuchi (mosco)
goran21715 1 month ago
When Assyria conquered Babylon in the Sargonid period (8th-7th centuries BCE), Assyrian scribes began to write the name of Ashur with the cuneiform signs AN.SHAR. meaning "Whole Heaven"
Anshar/Anshur/Ashur is the Supreme God of Mesopotamia.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
I want you to read up on Tel Keppe and the origins of the name (Located today in North/East Nineveh) which is a Purely Assyrian district in the Nineveh Plains.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol nenivah was Hurrian village befor invasion it and occupied in 1400 BC , the roman rebulit it and named nenivah , Nenivah also it kurdish name meaning (rebulit or reconstruction , l challenge if you find meaning in ASSyrian language or in arabic language,
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Ninwe was actually a Fish Goddess in Sumero-Assyrian tradition, till today we use the term Ninwe meaning Fish,
there was no Hurrians in Nineveh you KERd lol.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
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@TheObserversTV lol nenivah was Hurrian village befor invasion it and occupied in 1400 BC , the roman rebulit it and named nenivah , Nenivah also it kurdish name meaning (rebulit or reconstruction , l challenge if you find meaning in ASSyrian language or in arabic language,
goran21715 1 month ago
Also, according to what I read here, there is No Signs of Hurrian-related people anywhere else in North Iraq except for parts of Kirkuk and Halabja,
Arbil (Also known as Tel Hassuna) Nineveh/Nuhadra is Assyrian Lands
Tel = Hill
Hassuna = Axe
This Big tribe went to the North from the South about 6000 BC and built their homes around and ON the Hill (Arbil), also if you continue to read about this Tribe, it says that these people were AXE WORKERS - Wood Workers, notice the name :)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
Lebanon is Kurdistan, Mesopotamia is Kurdistan, Anatolia is Kurdistan, Babylon is Kurdistan, Arabia is Kurdistan, Caucus area is Kurdistan, Syria is Kurdistan, Iranic land is Kurdistan, China is Kurdistan, Atlantis is Kurdistan, Martin L King was Kurdistan, Brazil is Kurdistan, I remember also now German Kurds are claiming Germany to be Kurdistan, they saw Ancient Trier city and they called it 'Kurdish'
Dont tell anybody this is between me and you, but Also they found Kurdish tribes on Mars O.O
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV HAHAHAHAHAHA , where lol sumer used Swastikas,
Oldest depictions of Swastikas (from near estern sites in Samarra, central Iraq-Hassuna culture 6000-5000 bc), look date its early even sumer and elucidate the migration from Zagros mountian to south Jarmo to Arrapha to Nuzi to Hassuna and then to samerra then to Ka-din-gir-ra (babylion , yes the oldest Swastikas found in kurdistan not in india, hahaha that mean homeland of aryan was Kurdistan ,
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Sumeria did use Swastika, type in (Swastika Sumerian) There was use of that symbol in that area during that time,
Ka meant Gate, and Dingir Ideogram for God and Ra in the sentence is to speak of something/ the meaning of what the object is = IN SUMERIAN
and by the way, this symbol reached from Iran to Mesopotamia, so I dont care about this symbol, and Cool Tel hassuna, Samara cultures used it, thats awesome, how ever it does not make them Aryan people.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol look to date( 6000-5000) BC , even if the sumerian used may they taked from Hurrian , at all its oldest even to swastiks of india , hahaha lol old than 6000 BC -5000 BC
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 I dont care about Swastika. The Aryans from Iranian Mountains founded it and then spread it, cool , I dont care.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
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@TheObserversTV HAHAHAHAHAHA , where lol sumer used Swastikas,
Oldest depictions of Swastikas (from near estern sites in Samarra, central Iraq-Hassuna culture 6000-5000 bc), look date its early even sumer and elucidate the migration from Zagros mountian to south Jarmo to Arrapha to Nuzi to Hassuna and then to samerra then to Ka-din-gir-ra (babylion , yes the oldest Swastikas found in kurdistan not in india, hahaha that mean homeland of aryan was Kurdistan (homeland of aryan),
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol look to date( 6000-5000) BC , even if the sumerian used may they taked from Hurrian , at all its oldest even to swastiks of india , hahaha lol old than 6000 BC -5000 BC it the date of stablished of Arbil (Arbil( Hewler )Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC,[3][4] and it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Yes I know Urban life at Arbil can go back 6000 BC, I was talking about Tel Hassuna, did you not read?
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
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@TheObserversTV lol look to date( 6000-5000) BC,even if the sumerian used may they taked from Hurrian,at all its oldest even to swastiks of india,ol old than 6000 BC-5000 BC it the date of stablished of Arbil ( Hewler )Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC& it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world,mean the hurrian kingdom was to babylion & you can see it in akkadian map or in Hurrian map,then babylion name was KA-DIN-GIR-RA)befor changr the name
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV what you talk lol even Ashur (assyrian ) is aryan name meaning evil or (devil) or dark or infidel reversal sur which mean illumination or light or sun of believer which suryia derive from sur,its clear in regvida exsist also , you can read regvida of hindus to know more about ASSyrian hahaha
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Who cares about what Hindu says? Ashur means "The Beginning" in Assyrian tongue, Ashur also has another name in Sumero-Babylonian called Anshar meaning "Whole Heavens" In fact, Anu, the supreme God of Sumer, his father was Anshar / Ashur.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV where sumer called anshur, tell me sourse
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 All you got to do is type in "Anshar Sumer" and its right there.
Also search READ THIS: "Sumerian Information of the Annunaki Anshar -- compared to the Anakim"
It also says there as well.
Or "Who is/Who was Anshar? definition, short biography" ... Its all over the place man.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Anu’s father was Anshar (Sumerian god of the celestial world who was born of the serpents Lakhmu and Lakhamu), as the sky and male principle. Since Anshar mated with his sister Kishar (Anu’s mother, she became the earth and female principle), thus they produced the great gods. Anshar organized the gods in their fight against Tiamat but did no fighting himself. Anshar different to ahue lol in time and in meaning
you ignore or youignorant yourself the an
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Idiot, Ashur and Anshur was the SAME GOD in the Southern pronunciation they used Anshar/Anshur, in the Northern region they used Ashur.
It is like saying Jesus and Yeshua is not the same person haha.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV idiot you haven't any sourse to proof that and any historian say that and there are gao aboyt 1000 years btween sumer and assyrian,
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Show me where it says INVADE, WHO DID THEY INVADE, if you can't show me an invasion, then this was obviously Assyrian territory
According to what I read here, the term Akkad is actually ingeniousness to Mesopotamia, with their sister culture the Sumerians, these states both APPEARED in Mesopotamia, there is no other historical name for Akkad than in Mesopotamia, the oldest attested writing system for Akkad dates back 2600 BC in Mesopotamia
Assyria + Akkad + Sumer = Same people.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV its clear the word occupied and they came from syria or south , and look to first scientific excavations and the date is clear 1903 and the name of scientific ) led by Walter Andrae.The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce , and note word reached the tiger rivereither from syria or from south , all other are lie and fake of history
sumer non semite peoples ,akkadian also invasion sumer in north of babylion ,ans sumer was merely city state , they invasion in 230 BC ,
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV the assyrian invasion mesopotamia in 2500BC there weren't any relation to sumerian the the sumerian non semite ( The first scientific excavations there were conducted by a German expedition (1903–13) led by Walter Andrae. Ashur was a name applied to the city, to the country, and to the principal god of the ancient Assyrians.
The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce by a tribe that probably had reached the Tigris River either from Syria or from the south)
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Show me where it says "Invade in 2500 BC" please.
If that is the case, you say Sumerian and Assyrian were different, then why do you say Medes and Hurrian are the same? Medes is Iranic language and Hurrian was North East Caucasian type language.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV indefinition of Ashur (modern Qalʿat Sharqāṭ,capital of Assyria, located on the west bank of the Tigris River in northern Iraq. The first scientific excavations there were conducted by a German expedition (1903–13) led by Walter Andrae. Ashur was a name applied to the city, to the country, and to the principal god of the ancient Assyrians.
The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce by a tribe that probably had reached the Tigris River either from Syria or from the south.
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV according to the Assyrian King List. Ibrium concluded a treaty with Tudiya of Assyria for the use of a trading post officially controlled by Ebla,then a further thirteen rulers,about all of whom nothing is yet known. These early kings from the 23rd to late 21st centuries BC,who are recorded as kings who lived in tents were likely to have been Akkadian semi nomadic pasturalist rulers subject to the Akkadian Empire.read well they was nomadic dwelt him king TENT
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 where was Hurrian King during 2376 BC?
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV The Hurrians enter the orbit of ancient Middle Eastern civilization toward the end of the 3rd millenniumBC.They arrived in Mesopotamia from the north or the east, There is a brief inscription in Hurrian language from the end of the period of Akkad,while that of King Arishen of Urkish&Nawar is written in Akkadian.The language of the Hurrians have belonged to a widespread group of ancient Middle Eastern languages.The relationship between Hurrian&Subarean has already been mentioned
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Yes Hurrians went to north eastern area since it was already Occupied by a people called the ASSYRIANS, Arbil/Nineveh/Gasur was already in Assyrian hands that is why the Hurrians went to eastern kirkuk and halabja
Again I would like to ask you, where was a Hurrian king during 2376 BC? By the way the Akkad state APPEARED North of Babylon and Sumer, they call Akkad "The Northern Fringe of Sumer" it has been recorded that the Akkad state existed since 3000 BC!!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV The Lullubi were a group of tribes during the 3rd millennium BC,from a region known as Lulubum, now the Sharazor plain of in the Zagros Mountains Frayne (1990) identified their city Lulubuna or Luluban with the modern Kurdish town, Halabja.The early Sumerian legend "Lugalbanda and the Anzud Bird,alludes to the"mountains of Lulubi" as being where the character of Lugalbanda encounters the gigantic Anzud bird while searching for the rest of Enmerkar's army en route to siege Aratta.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Didn't I tell you to quit talking about Lulu? This is the last time you will speak about them because I dont care about Halabja, that dirt village, Hamazi was as well an Iranian tribe located in Western Iran ( Like I said, I dont care about Iran or Halabja) As well, the Gutians Occupied the Eastern area of Kirkuk coming from South Western Iran!! , they were not in Arbil / Nineveh or Gasur until 1500 BC (Mittani Invasion)
Did you know there is a theory that Iran is black people?
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Lullubi, an ancient ethnic group that lived in the mountains east of Mesopotamia. An inscription of a king of the Lullubi with the Akkadian name Annubanini has come down to us from the 22nd century B.C. In the second millennium B.C., there were many Lullubi slaves in the Human states. Lullubi city-states are mentioned in inscriptions of the Assyrian kings from the ninth century B.C. In the Urartian language lulu means “foreign enemy.”
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV According to the Sumerian king list, king Hadanish of Hamazi held hegemony over Sumer after defeating Kish, but was in turn defeated by Enshakushanna of Uruk.in 3 millennuimA clay tablet found in the archives at Ebla in Syria bears a copy of a diplomatic message sent from king Irkab-Damu of Ebla to king Zizi of Hamazi,along with a large quantity of wood, hailing him as a brother, and requesting him to send mercenaries in exchange.invader of mesopotamia filthy negro bedouin semite
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Then, in the summers of 1992 and 1993, their seventh and eighth seasons of digging at Tell Mozan in northeastern Syria, the Buccellatis found seal impressions that, after painstaking study, confirmed that the mound was in fact the site of ancient Urkesh. More than 650 impressions of stone cylinder seals,rolled onto vessels &jars to identify their owners more than 4300 years ago,provided abundant clues. Carbon dating further confirmed that the Hurrians were thriving around 2200 BC
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV confirmed that the mound was in fact the site of ancient Urkesh. More than 650 impressions of stone cylinder seals, rolled onto vessels and jars to identify their owners more than 4300 years ago, provided abundant clues. Carbon dating further confirmed that the Hurrians were thriving around 2200 BC, nearly a thousand years earlier than experts had understood that they were a regional power. Though finding Urkesh has been compared to finding the Mount Olympus of Greek mythology
goran21715 1 month ago
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@TheObserversTV what you talk lol even Ashur (assyrian ) is aryan name meaning evil or (devil) or dark or infidel reversal sur which mean illumination or light or sun of believer which suryia derive from sur,its clear in regvida exsist also , you can read regvida of hindus to know more about ASSyrian , ayria was hurrian , and the term syrian is derive fron sur vs Ashue or Sur in kurdish mean red or sun (khur)
goran21715 1 month ago
BRUTAL INHUMAN ASSyrians..lived on blodd and flesh of other nations..thank God they were destroyed forever...fucking animals
RaterXPrince 1 month ago
@RaterXPrince Dont make everything so dramatic you monkey
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV shut the fuck up STUPID ASSyrian BITCH..you know it is true..ASSyrians made war and beheading and cutting limbs a way of life...fucking barbars
RaterXPrince 1 month ago
@RaterXPrince yea and other empires didn't, right?
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV no body did what ASSyrian comitted from all sorts of crimes against other nations..you guys were artists in bizzarre sadistic torture and suffering methodes..unknown to human race before...I hope all assyrian who committed those crimes burn in hell forever
RaterXPrince 1 month ago
@RaterXPrince yea, and Kurds are angels.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV donkey listen to the fact you invasion Hurrian land in 2500 BC never talk befor this history idiot(. The first scientific excavations there were conducted by a German expedition (1903–13) led by Walter Andrae. Ashur was a name applied to the city, to the country, and to the principal god of the ancient Assyrians.The site was originally occupied about 2500 bce by a tribe that probably had reached the Tigris River either from Syria or from the south.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 you can claim eastern kirkuk and halabja, Iranian Zagros
Western Kirkuk, Arbil (Arbil, originally called Tel Hassuna = Hill of Axe workers in Assyrian) and Nineveh is purely Assyrian areas,
By the way, can you name me another tribe that was in Modern day Shurqat?? YOU CANT.. Assyrians were there before anyone, the tribes of Assyrian people reached its peek in western kirkuk and arbil during the Old period.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV fuck off you destoryed the Nuzi hurrian -mitanni city(The earliest occupation of the site can be traced to prehistoric times. During the middle of the third millennium B.C.E.The city reached the height of its importance during the15th–14th centuries B.C.E.when it was called Nuzi and was part of the Mitanni Empire centered in northern Syria; its population largely spoke the Hurrian language,though they wrote in Akkadian. It was destroyed by the Assyrians in the 14th century B.C)
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Nuzi was originally Gasur, look it up yourself, it was Akkadian association and Akkadian city, then Mittani invaded it and renamed it to Nuzi,
Assyrians did not destroy it, they liberated it, if Assyrians destroyed it, how come according to historians that modern day kirkuk reached its best peek during the time of the Assyrian Empire?
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV idiot go read well its perhistorym after Jarmo city and then they move to south and stabished hassauna andd tell halfa south of Nuzi , they all hurrian -Subartu cities , the evil assyrian destroyed in 1400 BC (its population largely spoke the Hurrian language, though they wrote in Akkadian. It was destroyed by the Assyrians in the 14th century B.C.E.
SUPID THEY SPOKER THE hURRIAN LANGUAGE
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 I dont care about Jarmo, this Halabja area and Nuzi came 1500 BC
Nuzi = Gasur = Assyrian
Halabja = Iranian tribes = kOOrd
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV ANIMAL YOU ILLITERATE , the ASSyrian desroyed Nuzi , how they destroyed himcity(. the place was called Gasur (Foster 1987). The city reached the height of its importance during the 15th–14th centuries B.C.E., when it was called Nuzi and was part of the Mitanni Empire centered in northern Syria; its population largely spoke the Hurrian language, though they wrote in Akkadian. It was destroyed by the Assyrians in the 14th century B.C.E.)
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Dont call names through internet please, if you have emotional problems try to call someone an Animal to their face
It was centered of Hurrians in 1500 BC during their invasion, when it was under Akkadian it was center under Akkadian, remember that Hurrians took Akkadian cuneiform.
Gasur = Assyria
Also remember that Anatolia today is Majority Turkic speaking, doesn't make Anatolia a Turkic land. like Hurrian, they invaded North Mesopotamia.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV By 2500 B.C.E. an ancient people dwelt in the northern parts of Mesopotamia.
The Hurrian Kingdom thrived in the north-central part of Mesopotamia, however, these people also spread to the areas to the immediate east and west.
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV native Hurrian-speaking population about the 15th-16th centuries BC, Indo-Aryan charioteers were absorbed into the local population and adopted the Hurrian language.However, Brentjes (as cited in Bryant 2001:137) argues that there is not a single cultural element of central Asian, eastern European, or Caucasian origin in the Mitannian area and associates with an Indo-Aryan presence the peacock motif found in the Middle East from before 1600 BC and quite likely from before 2100 BC
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV with an Indo-Aryan presence the peacock motif found in the Middle East from before 1600 BC and quite likely from before 2100 BC.
In contrast, most scholars reject the possibility that the Indo-Aryans of Mitanni came from the Indian subcontinent as well as the possibility that the Indo-Aryans of the Indian subcontinent came from the territory of Mitanni, leaving migration from the north the only likely scenario.[60] The presence of some BMAC loan words in Mitanni, Old Iranian
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Some theonyms, proper names and other terminology of the Mitanni exhibit an Indo-Aryan superstrate,an Indo-Aryan elite imposed itself over the Hurrian population in the course of the Indo-Aryan expansion.In a treaty between the Hittites& the Mitanni the deities Mitra,Varuna, Indra, and Nasatya (Ashvins) are invoked. Kikkuli's horse training text (1400 BC) includes technical terms such as aika (eka, one),tera (tri,three), panza (pancha,five), satta (sapta,seven), na (nava,nine),
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Indo-Aryan is language of gypsies, which belongs in mountains of Iran, North Mesopotamia has no Aryan tongue as a nativity, the only time Aryan tongue would be found in North Mesopotamia is if it is an invasion or absorbing territories to Aryanize the people (Like what the Hurrians tried to do to the Assyrians in Gasur)
Yes Hurrians dwelt in Eastern Kirkuk and Halabja (lulu), however, Tel Hassuna / Nineveh is/was Assyrian land, even Jewish-Talmud-Genesis 2:14 says it is Assyria!
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV HAHAHA lol (-oldest swastika in a site near Samarra in central Iraq(Ubaid/Hassuna culture)
-oldest hindu texts in northern Syria
-oldest wheels and carts found in near east
-the similarities of the halaf culture with the indic culture
-the huge stuff written in Gamkrelidze&Ivanov's book about proto iranonessic/indo-european homeland being in southeastern Anatolia
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Here below the supplements:
Migration of Indo-Aryans from their hoemland in Northeastern Anatolia/Uruhatti-Northwestern Iran/Elam to Central Asia/India
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Yes but if you read on Ubaid/Hassuna they are not related to Hurrian group, Tel Hassuna / Ubaid people are more related to the Akkado-Sumerians.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV poor ASSyrian (One year ago, when readin a book about ancient cultures of the middle east,I discovered that in the cultural sites of Hassuna (near Samara in central Iraq) potteries with depictions of Swastikas were found.The ethny of Hassuna culture people is obscure (not Sumerian but Hurrian The author said that those motifes represent the milkyway galaxy.Interestingly,enough the first texts of aryan were not found in India but in Kurdistan on Khbur river
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Samara/ Tel Hassuna have Nothing to do with Kurds/ Indo Europeans,
The Sumerians have used the Swastika, does that make them Aryan? The Germans used it, does that make them Aryan? So now I will introduce this symbol to the chinese people and this will turn them into Aryans :D
You know NATO uses the Shamash Symbol? They are Akkadian people now O.O wow thank you for your insight LOOOOL
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Also the archeological founds in the Halaf culture of northern Syria shares similarities with indian ones.We have also the mitanni language, which is a very archaic indo-iranian language(older and more archaic than old avestan and rigvedic and which according to indo-european linguists forms a fifth independant indo-iranian group-the other 4 branches being eastern iranian,western iranian,
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV -oldest swastika in a site near Samarra in central Iraq(Ubaid/Hassuna culture)
-oldest hindu texts in Kurdistan ( northern Syria )
-oldest wheels and carts found in near east (in Kurdistan)
-the similarities of the halaf culture with the indic culture
-the huge stuff written in Gamkrelidze&Ivanov's book about proto iranonessic/indo-european homeland being in southeastern Anatolia (Kurdistan)
lol all lraqi regim was hide the real history of kurdistan
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Depictions of Chariots from Lybia (5000 bc)[I dont know how this fit,but for scientific honesty those depictions seem to be the oldest depictions of Chariots& Carts,albeit oldest phyisical remains of Wheels,Carts & Chariots seem to be found in near east (levant-mesopotamia,(Kurdistan)) Bernal
lol ASSyrian was invasion of hurrian land in 2500 BC,so never talk in ASSyrian history befor that date.you can check that in ASSyrian encyclopedia,to see they was nomadic tribes dwelt tent
goran21715 1 month ago
I want you to stop repeating this "Yoke" comment you do 24/7, I already told you that Gutian were monkeys of Iran, Sumerians/Akkadians hated them, and Gutians INVADED Mesopotamia from IRAN, its all I need man, I dont care how Akkadian empire falls, it fell by Hit-and-Run Tactic, and Gutians, the Iranian people Invaded Mesopotamia.
Where was Gutian during 2300 BC when Akkad was an Empire in Mesopotamia?? IRAN. Thank you. Next Subject please.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV The plain lying between these mountains and the Tigris was called su-Edina, i.e., "the border of the plain." This name was sometimes shortened into Suti and Su, and has been regarded as = Shoa Some think it denotes a place in Babylon. (See PEKOD.)"In this regard, Elphinston notes, "Sumerian inscriptions of 2000 BC, as well as early Assyrian inscriptions of a thousand years later, indicate the existence of a people named Kardaka, Kurtie or Guti in the neighbourhood of Lake Van.
goran21715 1 month ago
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TheObserversTV 1 month ago
Read on Archaeological finding in Anatolia which dates back 4000 Years ago, Assyrians were in Anatolia since that year doing trading with other tribes in that area, exchanging tin, fabric, products etc... They even found Successful Assyrian Brain Surgery in ANATOLIA dating back 4000 years ago..
Assyrians were in Arbil since 6000 BC, they were known as the tribe called Tel Hassuna (Only Assyrians use the word "Tel" in the beginning of the name of the area they live in!! Example Tel Keppe)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV lol where read , lol Arbil established by hurrian go read arbil wikipedia(Urban life at Arbil can be dated back to at least 6000 BC,[3][4] and it is one of the oldest continuously inhabited cities in the world.[3][4] At the heart of the city is the ancient Citadel of Arbil. The Hurrians were the first to establish Urbilum and expand their rule to the rest of northern Mesopotamia.
goran21715 1 month ago
There is no records of Subartu, in fact, the area of which is Subartu is vague, the history is unknown, and it has nothing to do with KER-di, I dont see Subartu writing in KER-dish, did subartu write on their wall "we are kurdish?" NOOO and by the way Historians agree that Subartu was another word for Assyria proper, thats how much Vague the Subartu history is,
North Mesopotamia is and was always written as ASSYRIA,
1400 BC was when Assyrians revolted against Mittani Empire.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Zagros highlands which is the original dwelling of the ancient Kurds who were the native inhabitants of the area long before the migration of the other races and tribes. In an article published in Kurdistan Times in its issue of winter1990 Mr.Mustafa Qaradaghi states that Gutium or Guti, the ancient Kurds who spoke a branch of Hurrian language, which was also spoken by their kin of Subartu, Lulu, Kassite&Mittani.Their capital city was in & around the town of Kirkuk,named Arrapha.
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Subartu was apparently a polity in Northern Mesopotamia,at the upper Tigris,in the general sphere of influence of the Hurrians.Its precise location has not been identified.According to some scholars like Harvard Professor Mehrdad Izady,identifies Subartus with the current Kurdish tribe of Zibaris inhabiting the northern ring around Mosul up to Hakkari in Turkey From the point of view of the Akkadian Empire,Subartu marked the northern geographical horizon, just as Martu,Elam&Sumer
goran21715 1 month ago
no doubt the assyryan empire scared the shit out of any army at the time.
johneymute 2 months ago
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Ashorjoon 3 months ago
"sumer was a city state of Assyria...............making it PART OF ASSYRIA U DUMB FUCK AND ANOTHER FYI U INBRED AKKAD ALSO WAS A CITY STATE"..
I would like to ask... Where did I say that Sumer wasnt a city state of Assyria? and where did I say Akkad wasn't a city state? Clearly if you would've read what I posted, I said that Akkadians and Sumerians were the same people, Sumer being a city-state and same with Akkad, Akkad being the central state, Sumer being the southern state.
TheObserversTV 4 months ago
@TheObserversTV wow just like a fucking atheist makes two meanings of one word you were making them seem like they are totally different people when infact u should be refering to them as ASHURIANS
kingbigdawg9 4 months ago
@kingbigdawg9 No, I was talking to Goran, he is insisting that Akkadians and Sumerians were 2 different people, so I am trying to relate to him that there is no difference between the two, they were just different states but the same people
We all know they are all Assyrians, Assyrian (Ashurayu) dates back farther before Sumer or Akkad existed.
TheObserversTV 4 months ago
@TheObserversTV LOL YOU BLEND AND READ HISTORY UPSET , THERE WASN'T ASSyrian in the time of sumer ,you can check that to look to akkadian map empire , there are only akkadian and Hurrian north of babylion was hurrian kingdom , lol until 1400 BC centry the north of babylon was known Subartu , and subartu was offshoot of hurrian and him capital was in mush city in west of Van lake, professoer Mahrdad lzdy in Harvard university said the Zibary kurdish tribes descendant of the Subartu
goran21715 1 month ago
wow dude ur info on us is horribly off it sounds like u got it str8 from wikiSHITIya no wonder these idiots dont no who the fuck we are everyone and their mother has a different view of Assyria
kingbigdawg9 4 months ago
In fact, the Gutians were very bad to the Mesopotamians, the Gutians used hit and run tactics destroying the Sumero-Akkadian economy which caused famine across Mesopotamia (including Sumer... So how can Sumer befriend the people that starved them to death? lol's)
TheObserversTV 4 months ago
@TheObserversTV sumer was a city state of Assyria...............making it PART OF ASSYRIA U DUMB FUCK AND ANOTHER FYI U INBRED AKKAD ALSO WAS A CITY STATE so thats like saying chicagoans and new yokers are totality different even though they LIVE IN AMERICA wow ignorant isnt the word im looking for
kingbigdawg9 4 months ago
@kingbigdawg9 i know that, it seems you read my post wrong.
TheObserversTV 4 months ago
@TheObserversTV Indeed, the Gutians appear to have been initially hailed by the Sumerians as deliverers from the Semitic Akkadian oppressors. The reason given for the Gutian attack on the Akkadians by the Sumerians is the destruction of the main Sumerian religious shrines by the fanatical Akkadian ruler Naram-Sin. The work 'The Curse of Agade,' composed by a Sumerian, indicates the revulsion which the Sumerians felt at this senseless act of Akkadian destructiveness:
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Didn't we have this discussion from before KER-d? The Gutians were invaders from Iran, according to Assyriologists and majority of sources from historians, the Akkad state was Indigenous to Mesopotamia because all the records of Akkad was found in Central Mesopotamia, the oldest attested Akkadian cuneiform dates back 2600 BC found in Mesopotamia and the state of Akkad is believed to have been established since 3000 BC in Central Mesopotamia (North of Sumer)
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty, liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke. The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back, and a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Gutian rule. Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians, Badawy notes, marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia, a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC)."
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 Yea, Sumerians loved Gutians, thats why Sumerians called Gutian as language of Dogs, Barbarians and stupid people, the Gutians destroyed the economy of Mesopotamia with Hit and Run tactic from the mountains of Iran starving the Sumerians, yes Sumerian loved youXD
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV The Gutians overthrew the Akkadian dynasty, liberating the Sumerians from the Semitic yoke. The attempt by the fanatical Akkadian rulers to suppress the Sumerian language were rolled back, and a Sumerian renaissance occurred under benevolent Gutian rule. Describing the Sumerian revival under the Gutians, Badawy notes, marked a decisive phase in the Semitization of Mesopotamia, a process which went on in spite of the renascence of Sumerian under the Gutians (2000 BC).
goran21715 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV It has been suggested that Subartu (Amarna letters corpus) be merged into this article or section. (Discuss) Proposed since May 2011.
The land of Subartu or Subar (Sumerian Šubur) is mentioned in Bronze Age literature. The name also appears as Subari in the Amarna letters, and, in the form Šbr, in Ugarit.Subartu was apparently a polity in Northern Mesopotamia, at the upper Tigris, in the general sphere of influence of the Hurrians. Its precise location has not been identified.
goran21715 1 month ago
@goran21715 stop repeating the shit that you say and I refute you with you damn robot, the Arbil area was first established by Tel Hassuna 6000 BC, there was no Hurrians in north Mesopotamia in 6000 BC, because according to what I am reading here, the Hurrians at the time of Akkad was located in North Syria and parts of Anatolia, so Hurrians are Late comers, after Akkadian/ Tel Hassuna
Our people were right when they called you Gutian-Iranians as DOGS.
TheObserversTV 1 month ago
@TheObserversTV Who are you ,you merely ignorant person (The Mitanni were an Indo-European (Hurrian) people whose kingdom in northern Mesopotamia flourished from about 1600 ( until it was conquered by the Hittite King Suppiluliumas during the reign of Akhenaten. At its peak, the empire stretched from Kirkuk &the Zagros mountains in western Iran in the east, through Assyria to the Mediterranean sea in the west. Its center was in the region of the Khabur River, where its capital, Wassukkani)
goran21715 1 month ago