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  • wish I had video response capability the system is crumbling, ie the modern infrastructure, economy, building practices, etc., it is crumbling criminal elements within it realize that they are soon to become very unpopular so they try to take down the natural system with them - it can't happen - earth is here for a long time more Oil won't evaporate enough to mess up inland ecosystem but dissperants will - oil spill was deliberate by carlyle group BP is fall guy holding the bill

  • idk about it. a quarter pound of hay to clean of six ounces of oil? the us only produces 150 million tons of hay a year and with the mixture they used it would require roughly 170 million tons of hay. not to mention there will definately be a new adverse affect on the ocean introducing that much hay into it

  • Thanks for your work and willingness to reach out to the public. Good luck and hope you continue to smile and be free.

    Here's another solution to one of our worlds greatest problems and I hope you will be glad to spread the word. blip.tv/file/3685662

    Peace.

  • We as a planet need to heal the cause or we wont have learned the lesson. We are a society enslaved by our addiction to "stuff". At some point an environmental catastrophe was inevitable. Know the companies that you buy anything from. Ask, does buying this benefit others and the world or does it fulfill another agenda? Too much power and money is going into the hands of companies who we end up enslaved to& giving our power away. Ask before buying "Whats their true agenda? What's mine?"

  • Why use hay when you can use deadly poison and make money with it?

  • do you have any idea how much hay that would take?

  • u looked ripped lol

  • I heard them talking about this, perhaps at the latest (20 days in); using hay, and it's yet to happen! Do you know why? I even heard them talk about using feathers, (not attached to birds), w/the hay, to collect it faster...I think we've all seen how well the feathers work...now, WHY has this hay-idea yet to be used?!!

  • Hey, what do you think about oil eating microbes? Not alot of people know about those. Do they work and why are we not using them?

  • This is not going to solve anything.. They can fix it if they really wanted to. Anyone that thinks differently has not done thier homework.

  • POPCORN IS MUCH BETTER? SEE HOW EASY? BIGDEALOILSPILL!

  • You know i saw your link to this video below the video you are talking about ,and i didn't want to click it becauce i thought that you would make fun of them or something like that... i mean the so called related video's on the right when you see the video... pfff

    anyway Montagraph i agree... at this point we have to take anything into consideration ,its someting that could clean up the mess.

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  • Wow, you kinda look like a younger Christopher Walken in this video.

  • that video proves nothing they are using broken down motor oil its not burnt motor oil floating i the gulf they need to redo this test with the crude oil floating in the gulf

  • Did you know that Haliburton who has an interest in the Oil Well currently spewing oil into the Gulf of Mexico 'happened' to acquire a Clean Up Company called Boots and Coots who specialize in Oil Disasters not ten days 'before' the disaster..The irony.

  • Obama needs this crisis

    he won't even bring the solution up

  • How would you transport 50 million tons of hay? That is 1 to 2 MILLION trucks driving all over the USA, involving countless people, loaders and ships.

    Then you have to scoop it all up again, except it is now 75 million tons of wet and oily hay. Of course it will SINK before you can scoop it up.

    They have no idea of the scale of this problem. Think before you comment on how great this is...

  • That was incredible. No it was CREDIBLE. I love this sheet. Thank you.

  • @phnixlady You got it! 

  • is hay environmentally safe ?

  • I have passed that video on to my Congress representative, Peter Roskam, with the request that he pass it on to those in the position to investigate it and implement it. Thank you for promoting it!!

  • hair soaks up oil as well

  • I know that will work well, just save a little hay for horses and straw houses! but check out my vid about Obamas other secret agendas.

  • he works for bp lol hes trying too look good

  • @MEDINA559IFY I certainly hope that you aren't talking about me! Because, that would be the FUNNIEST comment that I have read all year!

  • @Montagraph No Ad on your video for that "Friend BP on You Tube" video? lolol.

    Thanks.

  • Monto....this channel RULES~!

  • @Thejbirdy Why thanks for that!

  • I'd like to say, Hay works good, but we don't have too many hay fields down here.

    We had a freeze here, and killed thousands of palms, their trunks are fiber/hair.

    Cut down trees on location, grind, ship to Tampa oil soaked to incinerator for elec

    we have the equipment ready, but can't get authorities to return calls. ft.myersbeach

  • your sexy

  • I listened! As much oil as there is I think it it going to take a consorted effort of many solutions to clean up the mess. Now here is another solution. Help to spread the message to see how to clean up the oil spill. it can be done! Go to: youtube.com/watch?v=L_dVbcM2RJ­Q&feature=player_embedded

  • thanks for the vid monty, however as always the people dont push the envelope when it comes to keeping the environemt clean, not holding the politicians,companies responsible. the oil disaster is not a SPILL, millions of gallons of oil is in the water supply is going to further devastate this econony and the people still wont protest a damn thing, Again as always people still dont get it, maybe this will help "Goldman Sachs sold $250 million of BP stock before spill "

  • I'm going to explain this to EVERYONE on youtube if I have to. The danger is NOT the oil slick on the surface, the real danger is the TOXINS that get into the water from the oil! Do an experiment. Spill some oil in water, then mix it up with a stick for a whie, then soak all the surface oil out of the water (let it sit for a day if you want). After you've cleaned the surface oil out send a specimen of that water to a labratory for analysis! (I dare you to drink it)!

  • @Onewitnessus but they still have to clean it up, right?

  • oil eating microbes

  • They already looked at this on CNN and they gave a bunch of reasons as to why it wont work.They had Bill Nye The Science Guy explain that it wouldnt work.Check this solution out it might actually work.

    youtube.com/watch?v=8VfypUzx1t­I&feature=related

  • @Ramadan546 is the Bill Nye explanation online? I'd like to see that.

  • @lijluvr356 yeah heres the link.news(dot)blogs(dot)cnn(do­t)com/2010/06/10/fix-it-bill-n­ye-on-oil-disaster-suggestions­/

  • Ive been in the middle of the cleanup since day one. First, there are cheap natural byproducts already for the taking, right where the problem lies, bagasse. actually more absorbent then hay, Ive already tried both on Grand Isle. Finding a suitable absorbant has never been the problem. If the oil is on the surface, skimmers can pick it up already without having to pickup the extra weight and volume of the additional hay. When I tried the hay, it absorbed much more water then hay.

  • @TheGrandisleman Have they used microbes yet on the spill? It worked in the last gulf tanker spill. Iv'e been trying to contact anyone that will listen! It works. It's safe for humans and envirement. Plz reply!

  • @TheGrandisleman huh...interesting.  Thank you for being out there on the front lines for all of us who can't be.

  • what was the oil spill a earthquake or somethin

  • One of my good friends works for the EPA. I sent this to her and she forwarded this to her bosses as an option for oil clean up. The EPA is now diligently working on the BP oil spill, hopefully this will be part of the clean up efforts once the leak is stopped!!!

  • @cofastgirl79 44 days ....oil spread out for miles and miles, how much oil do you really think will be cleaned up. do you have any idea how much wild life has already been destroyed.

  • @gronlaf DO I HAVE ANY IDEA???? I've been following daily since day 1, it doesn't hurt to try to be positive about the situation even though I know just how grave it really is. You would do better commenting and not insulting someone's intelligence.

  • @gronlaf yup... even if they had asolution, only a few days of it leaking is bad. oil pouring out every hour. and wut u cant see under the surface. thats going to fuck up reefs.good luck finding a solution to that. its going to eventually be all of FL too =/ impeach obama

  • @1123random1123 ... with everything that has happened out of this, and with all those whose fault it really is, you say, "impeach obama." i don't really understand where you are coming from with that one champ.

  • @1123random1123 ... with everything that has happened out of this, and with all those whose fault it really is, you say, "impeach obama." i don't really understand where you are coming from with that one champ.

  • Please help with this mess. Tell your friends to clean this up with style......

    tornplanet com 

  • The gulf state governors should direct the National Guards of their states to start immediately to put as much Straw hay as possible out there. What is the worst that could happen? I bet they could even light the wheat straw on fire in the gulf once it is soaked with oil. Even northern farmers will be harvesting wheat/oats/etc in another month. The supply is GINORMOUS!!

    When is this well going to be capped? This has risen to biblical proportions.

  • I wanna know where the legislation is that says..

    Hey it's been XX days since this disaster/crisis, you have not fixed it. It's now

    the world's problem. We are taking over and going to deploy whatever means possible, whatever ideas possible and however many people required to fix it. Oh yeah and your flipping the bill in total.

    Using toxic dispersant that makes the oil sink so that oil does not appear in pictures, is a retarded. It's still there along with the bs used used to break it up.

  • @bigpappageorgio Amen dude, this world is fucking taken over by money. Point blank period. I've known money to be the root of all evil for some time now, but this is the final draw, whoever created currency is the destroyer of this planet. The end.

  • The British should get the shit they did in Gulf of Mexico clean. What about the economy that verly shows sings of recovery? that will shoot the gas prices up way too high. Besides the ecologycal disater,I'm starting to think that the world is really going to end in 2012,nha I don't give a shit. Throw a match or something in there to blow it up.

  • The video is unscientific. It doesn't provide any evidence that hay will soak up crude oil because the demonstration doesn't use crude oil. It uses motor oil which has a very different chemical composition. He might as well have used olive oil or peanut oil.

    Now, if he did a demonstration using crude oil instead, I might be convinced.

  • The simpilest solution is usually the best. Thanks for sharing!!!

  • moss would work also!

  • if we legalized hemp and used it as a biofuel, disasters like this would never happen.

  • @AllStarBugler hahaha yerh thats sounds like common sense but the thing is then hundreds of thounds of scum workers wokring for the oil companys would have no job ... and we cant alow that (( sarcastic )) :P

  • We used hay in the late 60's to clean oil spills in East Texas. Works good.

  • i have 20 acres of hay that i will gladly cut and donate to this cause...all i have to do is find someone to haul it to the gulf

  • you do realise that the sheer volume of hay required to do that is ridiculous.

    The video used about half the hay as there was oil, thats gonna be a heck of alot of hay.

  • 1 second ago wet hay is combustable and when the sun shines on it, it will catch on fire internal.....once the oily hay is collected and stacked is will catch on fire within a couple of hours without any external ignition..problem not solved....

  • @heathead65 burned oil is not as big a problem as oil in the ocean..burn baby burn!

  • @centervilletn yess i know i dont know why they put the fire out to bee quite honest ... burning it is easier than using dispersant that doesnt do anything atall

  • this will not work

  • How much you need to soak up a few million gallons and were would you like to put the hay afterward?

  • Think positively. While "waiting" 4 BP 2 figure out how 2 STOP the leak, take action 2 control damages. Hay sounds better than "hair." It is more available in large quantity. So farmers get rid of their "surplus" at REASONABLE expense 2 BP (let's not get greedy, but it'll help the farmers' economy). Hire shrimpers/other commercial boatmen (at reasonable expense 2 BP) 2 "blow" the hay on oil slicks (more job/economic help). The oiled hay "washes" ashore like seaweed. Workers (jobs) "harvest" it.

  • Drill baby drill! Just like Sarah Palin sez!! Thanks conservative retards for electing George W. Bush and thus in turn allowing big oil to run the dept that wrote all (none) of the regulations these companies must follow. Yeah! Drill baby drill! Go and build more off shore rigs. Thats what we need!! Right conservatives? Right!?

  • I was extremely excited when I saw this video, I was just watching Rachel Maddow, and she had said that they are trying hay with no success, due to the fact that it is underwater. I thought this was a brilliant idea, I even thought I would load trucks up with hay and drive down from maine to help out. The oil spread is to huge and I would need a shit load of hay to do this. BP as a company is fucking retarded.

  • Last time I checked, sea water is not drinkable anyway.........JUST GET 'ER DONE

  • I just want to say, think about the cleanup of the hay. That would take LOTS of hay! How could they clean all of it up? There would be hay floating around in the ocean for a long time.

  • OILHAYdotcom

  • Thank you Mr. Montagraph, I shared it on Facebook. I've got over 800 friends that I hope will see it!

  • Keep up the good work, Montagraph !!!! Baaahhhh.. I do miss the other guy !!!!

  • not only is this a great idea, the oil can be extracted from the hae and be used!

  • You just took the time to tell us something we already know. Two guys have a great idea for removing oil from a salad bowl. Unfortunately, the gulf is not a salad bowl and there is no effective way to spread shreded hay over a vast area.

  • It's a good thing this solution exists but the title of the vid says the problem is solved. There are questions though. How does one mobilize enough hay to cover an area bigger than Rhode Island? how does one rake that hay up and bring it ashore to be dumped where? Burned maybe ? I'll grant you that the demo is impressive but it still leaves behind the thinner solvent-like parts of the oil and while the hay is being mobilized, the oil is doing a lot of damage to fisheries. Stay positive though

  • Even if it's not, I'm sure that this is still far better than having the bulk of the oil still out there. I'm sure more treatment would have to take place though.

  • Perhaps the area of oil spills are often simply to large to be cleaned up by hay? Maybe it would require huge amounts of hay, which would then have to be controlled in some manner to insure that it doesn't float away. And does the hay stay on the water for long periods or sink after some time? I'm no hay expert, but I'm thinking that the solution probably has been considered and rejected before. Oil spills are no new invention.. neither is hay ;-) However; seems a great idea for limited spills.

  • They said (on the other video) that it doesn't ABSORB, it coats. So chopping it up may or may not be a good idea?

  • I can't believe that there are some "thumbs down" votes for the oil spill clean up solution. It's a fantastic idea and the most simple and cost effective one. Why would anyone be opposed to the idea?

  • they just dont care.

  • Fear GOD who hath power to cast you into HELL(Luke 12:5)! Fear God and depart from evil(Proverbs 3:7)! God is ANGRY with the wicked everyday(Psalm 7:11)! Jesus Christ is the WAY, the TRUTH, and the LIFE, there is NO OTHER WAY to be saved(John 14:6)! For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved(John 3:17)! TURN FROM YOUR SINS AND SUBMIT 2 THE LORDSHIP OF JESUS CHRIST NOW! DON'T BOAST OF HAVING TOMORROW! Proverbs 27:1

  • Throwing hay in the open sea is not the same as inside a bowl of water but I sure hope I'm wrong. Go for it. The video is quite impressive.

  • dumb idea. we have a oil problem we dont need a sludge problem we can pump oil around .. try pumping sludge hay. letting sludge hay reach the shoreline so you can try and pick it up with heavy equipment is totaly stupid. pinch the pipe at its sourse and continue using the skimmer boats to collect the oil and the secondary and third layer of protecting the shoreling is the floating orange rope.. not waist time and resorses creating a bigger problem than we have

  • People please check out the solution for the oil spill on my page- it is environment safe, can help the oil be burn or just help adsorb (not absorb it) and can work on the large scale!

  • Yes I agree I seen same video.

  • we may not be able to get every last bit of oil out of the water, but this hay idea sounds very legitimate. Everyone who has the means should gather up a boat load of hay, a boat, and hey blowers and just go out there and spray. lets not even wait for the govt, because they will take a long time, do it wrong, if they even use this method at all!

  • @onionofdeath as they said in jaws.. your gonna need a bigger boat.. einstein.. its a dumb idea.. sqeezing the pipe closed like a garden hose is the only real solution then use the dome to suck excess into barges. and contain the leak. till it can be fixed properly... skimmer boats have no trouble cleaning the surface. if its a managable leak..

  • Why do people make video responses to videos that have already been made? Shut up, dude.

  • Is there enough hay to suck up all of the oil that is beign spilled?

  • The farmers should claim salvage rights to the crude oil...lemme see 4 million barrels plus at $80/barrel. Hmmm...carry the 8 that's nice chunk of change!

  • How do you clean the oily hay? Is there a containment system for the hay before you put it in the gulf or do you have to clean up the oily hay manually?

  • Day 3 monte and still no mention of the hay in dumbstream media.

  • Its good that people are thinking, but the reality is, the hay idea is not going to work efficiently, skimmers and centrifuges are an efficient way to clean up this mess. They need thousands of boats out there equipped with skimmers and centrifuges harvesting the oil using skimmers and centrifuges.

  • The hay wont absorb sea water as fast as it will absorb fresh water because of the salt. This makes the hay even more of an advantage. grind it with a hay grinder that blows it out on the water, then rake it all up and set it on fire after it has absorbed the oil.

  • They wont use this idea because their smug ass oil engineers didn't come up with it

  • @everlandH8ter You are probably right, we will see!

  • @Montagraph Hay was used in the 1969 Santa Barbara oil spill.

    Contrary to the title though the main problem is stopping the oil flow so the problem is only half solved.. and unfortunately it is the second half.

    Please don't think of us engineers so negatively. We are not politicians nor businessmen :*(

  • @Montagraph

    A Fernco adapter to fix the pipe would probably baffle the engineers too. Send them a link to Home Depot. plumbing department.

  • @Montagraph

    cast iron hub donut or fernco adapter

  • They have machines that can do 200 gallons a minute .Mars Tech Decanter Centrifuge Separators

  • @everlandH8ter exactly....... cocksuckers wont use this idea because it works. this is the stupidest country on the planet....... no... they want to shoot garbage into the water or more chemicals... fuck you.

  • @everlandH8ter

    Well I'm sure thats a part of why. However, you have to keep in mind that BP has no interest in cleaning this spill in the most cost efficient and environmentally safe way. Follow the money, honey. These guys were were blowing up the phones of their stock brokers to buy into the chem companies before the bodies hit the water. This is not about saving our beaches to them, it is about "financial damage control".

  • @everlandH8ter The hay will work and has worked before. Just Google "hay used in 1969 Santa Barbara oil spill" and I'm sure you'll find something.

    No, this isn't a new idea, but from all the replies it might as well be.

    Contrary to the title of the video, the main problem (and more significant one) is stopping the oil so the problem is only half solved.. and unfortunately it is the second half.

    Please don't think of us engineers so negatively. We are not businessmen nor politicians :*(

  • @everlandH8ter Good engineers aren't smug.. blame the bureaucrats for that.

  • @everlandH8ter

    I think they won't use it because there's no scientific evidence it would work. He soaked up motor oil with hay, not crude oil. Crude has a lot messier substances in it.

  • The majority of the oil is underwater. Hay in fresh water is buoyant, but in salt, even more so. The amount of hay required is ridiculous. What will you do with nearly a billion pounds of wet, oil covered hay? How will you even get it out of the water?

    The ocean is not a bowl of fresh water. It's a massive expanse of salt and other compound filled water. Materials act in significantly different way depending on the medium you suspend them in.

  • AWESOME!

  • if this dude dressed up like an ss nazi and scowled at people he would scare the hell out of them because he has that badass evil german look

  • Thanks for mirroring this idea. I hope these guys are listened to by big brother. Tired of us Americans being ignored. If you are not a fictitious entity, you are not squat these days.

  • Great Job Montagraph. I sent  the video to a buddy in the Pentagon, I know that is the last place that might help but he was the biggest big wig I know.

    Scott

  • Im with burning the stuff... just lite the whole gulf up and watch it burn.

  • I think that there'd be certainly be less muck to sift through to make it safe, using this hay method . I don't know how or where to check the logistics of this but hope the powers that be see the common sense to a solution. For once. TY again, Monty. =)

  • That's a grand idea, i wonder if they could grind it up into a fine powder to dramatically increase the surface area of it so it can absorb more... but i have no idea if the powder floats because the hay are just basically giant floating tubes that don't let water in, but oil get's sucked into it because the chemical bonds are sticking to the "bark" of the hay.

    Also wondering if this spill is going to make that deadly red algae come back with a vengeance.

  • @LightCodeDemonH Thats a great idea in itself, to grind it up so that it would go further!

  • Many questions come to mind, like did they use salt water, etc.

    It is possibly an okay idea but would take at least, at my rough estimate from the amounts he poured of that oil and the amount of hay used... well, at least 100,000 bales of hay per day if 5000 barrels per day are leaking if it were used solely instead of the controlled burns (and no way in hell do you want to burn the hay and oil together). Might be one tool to use though.

  • @Diskatopia If just using hay, would take the size of the Empire State building in hay every 24 days, if 5000 barrels a day are leaking, and not more.

    However, they burned off 6000-9000 in controlled burns in the last day or so.. so controlled burns far from shore are the way to go as long as possible, maybe with some hay thrown out along the front edge of the slick if it approaches the shore, if the logistics work.

  • Great video positive outlook finally!

  • Love the idea. Just one question.........How drinkable is the water?  Will it still be able to support life? Sorry......just being devils advocate.

  • @OlGreyWolf58 That is a great question! I don't know, really!

  • @Montagraph well we're cleaning up the ocean and ocean water is naturally undrinkable

  • @OlGreyWolf58

    I don't think SEA WATER is generally drinkable.

    Oil floats to the surface, so I daresay that no marine life will be supportable ABOVE the oil.

    Sorry, just answering the devil's advocate. ;D

  • @ecwlievtenant let me explain it to you like a second grader. The water they were demonstrating on was potable. Was it drinkable....in the ocean, will sea life still be able to exist or will it die off or mutate. Please think about this before you answer.

  • @OlGreyWolf58

    Congratulations, you successfully explained like a second grader.

  • @OlGreyWolf58 well we're cleaning up the ocean and ocean water is naturally undrinkable

  • @OlGreyWolf58

    I think that's rather irrelevant considering the amount remaining would be miniscule at best when you take into account the ocean:oil ratio.

    That said, the current oil would eventually dissipate on its own as well, but the less there is the quicker it does so.

    That's assuming this was even as effective on such a large scale as it is in that bowl.

  • @BloodPlusPwn Not all the oil rises to the surface, as they are finding out. You get globules the work their way to the sea floor. Minuscule is not good enough. It will probably lead to mutations in the future.

  • @OlGreyWolf58 This is sea water. It's salt water! It's not drinkable anyway. The oil is removed. There will be damage along the coast line if the oil reaches shore. It must be stopped miles out!

  • @sixhundredbillion1 You are not thinking as well. Fish live in the sea. How LIVABLE is it going to be? What they7 were using in the video was potable water. Was it drinkabloe. Dare to think for your self!

  • @OlGreyWolf58

    Im sure its far more drinkable than before the "hay treatment" and/or after the chemicals they're dumping in there.

  • @OlGreyWolf58 If it takes 99% of the oil out of the water it is 100 times better than it was before. Drinking water

    Fungi/mushrooms and bacteria can break down the remaining oil - microbes really do convert oil into safe compounds.

  • @lungcancercure I Thank You Very Much. You came up with an intelligent answer. Can you please give me some links that I can see these facts at ? Would love to do a rant on it. I really would.

  • You took the words right out of my mouth Bluediamond2077

  • It would work. There are other ideas that would also work. The problem is volume. You would need tens of thousands of barges full of hay.

    Try to imagine 1.5 million gallons spread out over 4000 square miles.

  • When Money/Capitalism becomes the sole motive for scientific firms and companies, such natural and easy solutions are easily overlooked, that is because such solutions can not be patented or sold.

  • @maydayfire I am afraid that you have a very good point there!

  • @maydayfire it CAN be sold. That is why those farmers are advertising the Hay. They want to sell all the hay they grow, but there is nothing wrong with that. It's called capitalism. When there is a problem, someone is motivated to think of a solution by means of monetary compensation.

  • @maydayfire That's why you need to send the link to your buddy list. And ask them to do the same.

    When enough people see it, the crooks won't be able to say no.

  • For such a natural and simple solution like this, oil spill clean up companies can't sell it and you cant patent it. When Money/Capitalism becomes the sole motive for scientific firms and companies, such natural and easy solutions are easily overlooked.

  • This could work..and it's so simple. BP should be trying this on a section of the slick...like yesterday.

  • Monty thanks for letting me speak freely, I'm surprised you haven't censored me....

  • @cutejoker69 Really? ahahahah You knuckle head! :)

  • sounds like a winner idea to me, monty! as long as they can figure a safe way to dispose of the oil soaked hay quickly

  • some good news for a change. WAY 2 GO MONTAGRAPH

  • It's power from the people! Yeah! Thanks Monty!

  • @mikwid You got it! :)

  • Thanks for sharing - this "solution" seems so simple and no doubt the government agencies, clean up corporations and BP will be over-thinking this. I'm sure if the sea life and other various wild life that call this home, could vote, they'd be giving it two thumbs up !

  • "It has to be conspiracy, not logistical problems."

    lolololololololololol

  • Or ecological lol.

  • whats been DONE about the oil disaster ... im hearing a lot of babble over how "clean-up" is going ... WAHTS BEEN DONE ABOUT IT ... is BP banned from drilling ? everyone is silent ... what the hell is going on ? ... has drilling been BANNED or hasnt it ? ... all reporting on what the oil is doing etc etc and taking your attention away from BP ... u all focused away from BP and politicians !

  • You know, i used to work on a dairy farm and used the same method simply because the straw or hay was readily available (for little oil messes in shop).

    Never occurred to me this would be an excellent solution for such a depressing event. Farmers to the rescue again!

    1 bale=approx $5.00 / covers approximately 10'x10' area, for the math junkies.

  • They want people completely dependant and taxed to the hilt period. They will not allow technology that will make energy cheap and easily available. Read Agenda 21.

  • Where did Obama go ? to late to long to big and now gone